The reasons for waiting for the placement of the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" in the modernized dry dock until the summer of 2022 are named

There are data on plans to continue the repair of the only Russian aircraft carrier (aircraft-carrying cruiser) "Admiral Kuznetsov". Recall that during the repair and modernization measures at one time, the TAVKR was damaged due to the flooding of the PD-50 floating dock at the 82nd shipyard in the Murmansk region. The cranes fell to the deck of the aircraft carrier, badly damaging it. The incident was then explained by problems with the provision of electricity at the time of the withdrawal of "Admiral Kuznetsov" from the floating dock.

According to TASS, in the summer of 2022 it is planned to place the aircraft-carrying cruiser in dry dock at the 35th shipyard belonging to the Zvyozdochka Center. This dock, according to the news agency, citing sources, has undergone modernization and reconstruction.

After being placed in a dry dock, a propeller-steering group will be installed on the warship, and work on the hull is also planned.

At the same time, it is added that the deadlines for the commissioning of "Admiral Kuznetsov" after the repair will be shifted to 2023. It is planned that it will be able to return to service by about the summer of that year.

The question arose as to why it was necessary to wait for next summer to put the aircraft carrier in the finished modernized dry dock. A source TASS from the defense industry sphere explained the reason, noting that until the summer this procedure was postponed due to the need for docking in "stable weather, in warm weather." In the autumn-winter period, such a procedure is associated with high risks.

The reconstruction of the two-chamber dry dock was carried out by the specialists of the Orgenergostroy company.

Earlier it was planned to hand over the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" after renovation, first in 2021, then in 2022. As you can see, the terms have to be shifted for various reasons.

Comments

[teptyar]

Sounds very cheerful. It is not clear only why they cannot overtake it now. Are weather conditions so important that you have to wait half a year. And how much the treasury costs the daily maintenance of a defective Kuzi.

[Grandfather]

"Kuznetsov", if the modernization is completed, will become "gold".

[Civil]

Quote: Dead Day

"Kuznetsov", if the modernization is completed, will become "gold".

And there is no particular choice, to repair or put on sleepers. The second will cause a storm of emotions. Although, against the background of economic problems, they may not be noticed, as in the 90s.

[Graz]

and what did they intend to do there in a year? paint if only. for a thoughtful modernization of such a not small ship, a year is not enough, and if everything was started in order to paint, then it was not worth starting all this from the word at all

[bayard]

Modernization of "Kuznetsov" is carried out afloat, and should have been carried out. The dock is needed to install screws and work with the underwater part. And it was the impossibility to install the screws and carry out other work with the underwater part that dragged out the repair and modernization so much.
And the dock is hard to build - there is solid basalt.

[Overlock]

Quote: bayard

Dock is needed to install screws

got them from the bottom of the sea?

[bayard]

Did they get it, or did they make new ones, what's the difference? How many years have passed since that sabotage ...
The main thing is where to install them - so that there is a dock.
And judging by the publication - the dock is being completed.

[Eroma]

During the accident Kuzya lost the screws! The scuba divers didn’t know how to dress up , so you have to drag it to land
The main thing is that it would be completed in the end and he began to bring benefits

[Overlock]

Quote: Eroma

During the accident Kuzya lost the screws!

Wrong! They "drowned" along with the dock

[Eroma]

Yes, they were removed and went to the bottom along with the dock.

[alone]

Quote: Dead Day

Kuznetsov ", if the modernization is completed, it will become" golden ".

For those billions that were "spent" on its endless repairs, the entire ship could be covered with a layer of gold, and lifebuoys could be decorated with diamonds

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: lonely

For those billions that were "spent" on its endless repairs, the entire ship could be covered with a layer of gold, and lifebuoys could be decorated with diamonds

Yes

[Flooding]

Quote: Dead Day

"Kuznetsov", if the modernization is completed, will become "gold".

ships of this class were originally "golden"

[New Year day]

Quote: Dead Day

"Kuznetsov", if the modernization is completed, will become "gold".

Nothing is as attractive for sawing as an eternal construction site - you sit in the office and saw, saw, saw

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Teptyar

Sounds very cheerful. It is not clear only why they cannot overtake it now. Are weather conditions so important that you have to wait half a year.

"Admiral Kuznetsov" is located in Murmansk at 35 Shipyard. A dry dock for an aircraft-carrying cruiser at 35 SRZ is far from ready. In addition to concreting, the sampling of soil has not yet been completed, it will take another two years, and you still need to make a bathoport, buy good pumps, install them, establish
Here is a photo for October.

[Stas157]

Previously, it was planned to hand over the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" after renovation, first in 2021, then in 2022. As you can see, the deadlines have to be shifted. for different reasons.

It is logical. Without reasons nothing happens. But I remember when the MLC fell, the high authorities said that it would not affect the timing of the repair of the aircraft carrier ... but the timing is being shifted and shifted. What is it?

What assessment should be given to those "masters" who have docks lying around and constantly have some reasons extending the delivery of the object?

[Alien From]

Sabotage, sawing up government funds, irresponsibility, slovenliness ... the list goes on forever ...

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Stas157

What assessment should be given to those "masters" who have docks lying around and constantly have some reasons for extending the commissioning of an object?

cut the dough into an unnecessary thing, paint it and throw it away

[donavi49]

What assessment should be given to those "masters"

Already given.

[Bshkaus]

What assessment should be given to those "masters" who have docks lying around

I want to correct: the docks are drowned without the right to surface ...

[Vladimir1155]

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Quote: Teptyar

And how interesting is the daily maintenance of a defective Kuzi for the treasury

these are huge funds wasted, and even dismantling the dock ... for several years the dock was broken instead of repairing ships in it ... and all for the sake of a dubious rather useless ship, generally unnecessary and vulnerable, without tasks, without aircraft and without meaning

[KIND LAVRENTIUS]

Quote: vladimir1155

no planes and no sense

Offer yourself to the CEO of USC !!!!
you always do everything with a sense !!!!

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

Offer yourself to the CEO of USC !!!

thanks, I don't mind, but they don't invite for some reason ...

[Osipov9391]

The tasks of this ship there are the same - in the threatened period, go to the area of ​​combat deployment of SSBNs and give them anti-aircraft / anti-submarine cover from enemy aircraft.
That's all his tasks there. It is needed to guard strategic submarines.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Osipov9391

in the threatened period, go to the area of ​​combat deployment of SSBNs and give them anti-aircraft / anti-submarine cover from enemy aircraft.

it is fine only to the areas of combat deployment, that is, under the ice of the Arctic Ocean and to the shores of California, it will not reach anyway, and it also needs combat escort, and we have two frigates in the Northern Fleet and another 1155 pair, and a couple of cruisers too enough age

[Product8]

Quote: Osipov9391

in the threatened period, go to the area of ​​combat deployment of SSBNs and give them anti-aircraft / anti-submarine cover from enemy aircraft.

There is no concept of "combat deployment". ZRBD, which the press for some reason renamed "bastions". There is no such concept in the docs.
How the TAVKR can provide anti-submarine cover if it is not able to do it for itself.
From the "Orions-Poseidons" will partially cover the issue from the UAV. From PLA and FOSS, he is not able to do anything.
PROVIDE, I agree with this.

[Osipov9391]

Anti-submarine helicopters from the ship should theoretically provide the defense of the aircraft carrier and the patrol area of ​​our SSBNs.
In addition to fighters, he also carries different helicopters.

[Product8]

Quote: Osipov9391

Anti-submarine helicopters from the ship should theoretically provide the defense of the aircraft carrier and the patrol area of ​​our SSBNs.

TAVKR. We have no aircraft carriers.
On call only, based on ship acoustics.
This thing (photo) has low search performance.
The area of ​​the SSBN is very far away. The helicopter won't get there.
In Kamchatka, I planned the Ka-25,27 to inspect dive points. A couple of Mi-14s could work independently, but again to support deployment.
In general, the story is long and not for the topic of the post.
And the PLBshniki of the Northern Fleet know better. I am Pacific Fleet. They all have their own specifics.

[Osipov9391]

As I understand it, all these helicopters younger than 1991-92 years of birth are not found in the Navy? This is both the Ka-27PS and the Ka-27PL.
If this is so, search equipment and computer technology are outdated long ago. And probably not supported by the plant that remained in Ukraine.
Suppose that a Virginia-type hunter with a low-magnetic steel hull and a water-jet propeller - a modern nuclear submarine - stealthily entered the SSBN patrol area.
Even a link of helicopters that rose from the ship at a distance of 80-100 km to independently detect an enemy submarine, determine what it is, and at least turn it to flight with explosions of anti-submarine ammunition is almost unrealistic?
Moreover, the enemy's nuclear submarine can go quietly or even almost stand up while waiting for our SSBN after it leaves the base.

[Product8]

Quote: Osipov9391

Suppose that a Virginia-type hunter with a low-magnetic steel hull and a water-jet propeller - a modern nuclear submarine - stealthily entered the SSBN patrol area.

Let me give you some links in HP, my articles ... If interested.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: vladimir1155

for several years the dock was destroyed instead of repairing ships in it ... and all for the sake of a rather dubious useless ship, generally unnecessary and vulnerable, without tasks, without aircraft and without meaning

For several years, the dock was broken so that a normal dry dock of the repair plant would appear in the north. Not a bulk tank of a shipyard, but a remdock.
A simple question: if during the modernization of "Petr" it is necessary to urgently dock "Nakhimov" - where to do it? And nowhere - PD-50 lies at the bottom, and since 1941, our Navy has not bothered with a dry dock for "large pots" of the Northern Fleet.
So, the 35 SRZ remdoks had to be united even during the Soviet era.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Alexey RA

if during the modernization of "Petr" it will be necessary to urgently dock "Nakhimov" - where to do it?

what for ? there are only two of them that are so big, now only frigates are being built, they do not need a large dock, they would have cost two small ones, even more convenient, but to have two large docks for the sake of two old ships? isn't it too gorgeous? billions of this chic cost and the write-off of Chabanenko and other ships that did not receive the possibility of repair due to the restructuring of the dock ... so the cruiser has nothing to do with it, the culprit cut Kuzya and only he, Kuzya devoured everyone ... Chabanenko has already been devoured, who next in line? I think Ustinov will not receive scheduled repairs and scrapped, all for the sake of Kuzi

[VALERIK_097]

Don't talk nonsense, "Chabanenko" still looks like.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: VALERIK_097

Don't talk nonsense, "Chabanenko" still looks like

I would also like this, but I do not believe it has already been dragged to the butcher, even if Levchenko was saved

[VALERIK_097]

What a cut, he is being repaired in the PD-42 on the "Nerpa", there is a date for the dock operation, Wait, soon. He will come out handsome.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: VALERIK_097

, Wait, soon. Will come out handsome.

thank you made me happy, let it still serve

[donavi49]

It is not clear only why they cannot overtake it now.

Because nothing is ready. But if you say that the dock will be ready for the summer, then the doctors will come again. There, the past leadership of the pre-trial detention center is already in prison (the Director of the "35 SRZ" was arrested in the summer). The new is more resourceful. Well, they found the reason - the weather.

By the way, at the 35th plant, Chabanenko is still standing, and repairs will begin soon in the 8th year.

According to official deadlines, they will hand over almost next year

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: donavi49

By the way, at the 35th plant, Chabanenko is still standing, and repairs will begin soon in the 8th year.

In the summer, Chabanenko was transferred to the Nerpa, he is not now at 35 Shipyard.

[donavi49]

Well, taking into account the specialization of the plant (disposal of BNK and nuclear submarines), Chaban has almost no chance to get out of there.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: donavi49

Well, taking into account the specialization of the plant (disposal of BNK and nuclear submarines), Chaban has almost no chance to get out of there.

that is, Chabanenko is another victim of Kuzi, it’s a pity that the ship was necessary, but his place in the dock was taken by the senseless Kuzya and forced out his younger brother to the scrap (there is nowhere to repair) the dock was broken, it is not known when it will be restored, and then for Kuzi ... he will fit in there with his carcass , and the rest in line in line ... or for scrap ... old men 1155 and cruisers 1164 too ... and two frigates will remain in the fleet, and Kuzya towering above them, as a symbol of stupidity and cutting

[VALERIK_097]

Dear, you are deeply mistaken. Not a single ship has been scrapped on the Nerpa for 5 years. And this is not the enterprise's specialization.

[Overlock]

Quote: Teptyar

now they cannot overtake.

Without a move, he, i.e. uncontrollable

[Subtext]

Now it is explained as follows: "problems with the supply of electricity." Oh well

[Siberian 66]

Maybe you should think about moving the repair site to a place where there is more "stable weather and warm time". Moreover, all the costs with docks, personnel, straits are understandable, but like this for half a year not being able to do repairs because of the weather is strong. And if combat damage, or on a campaign? Half a year to wait for the weather? Maybe he is not needed in the Northern Fleet? There, and coastal aviation to manage, maybe at the Pacific Fleet it will be more necessary.

[alone]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

Half a year to wait for the weather? Maybe he is not needed in the Northern Fleet? There, and coastal aviation to manage, maybe at the Pacific Fleet it will be more necessary.

If you knew the amount that you paid for its permanent repairs, you probably would not have asked the question why it is needed in the Navy at all ..
TAKR is a very "profitable" object for cutting budget funds .. nothing more

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

Maybe you should think about moving the repair site to a place where there is more "stable weather and warm time"

To Nikolaev?
And how do you see it?

[New Year day]

Quote: Jacket in stock

To Nikolaev?

The Zaliv plant in Kerch built supertankers with a displacement of 180 thousand tons

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Silvestr

Zaliv plant in Kerch

Okay, I agree.
And how do you propose to move Kuznetsov there?

[New Year day]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And how are you supposed to move there

Now, no matter how

[Overlock]

Quote: Silvestr

Now, no matter how

I agree, the time is lost. It was necessary to start when the "Kuznetsov" was on the move in Syria.

[Bshkaus]

Okay, I agree.
And how do you propose to move Kuznetsov there?

Well, for starters, to put a couple of hundred thousand people for reposts, and then the construction of hydraulic structures such as the Belomor-canal was worked out 100 years ago. Another option is to bang a couple of hundred thousand people freeing Ukraine from fascism and repair it in Nikolaev. The construction of own facilities is not considered ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Bshkaus

liberating Ukraine from fascism and repairing in Nikolaev.

There is no answer to the question of how to move Kuznetsov there.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

maybe at the Pacific Fleet it will be more necessary.

and what is the Pacific Fleet? Let's think about how many ships in the fleet that can fight? and not die 10 minutes after the start of the war, or be unable to leave the port for the whole war? We multiply all surface ships in closed seas by zero at once, Multiply all submarines in Kamchatka by zero (they will not be allowed to leave the base because there is nothing to cover the water area near the base), multiply by zero all submarines of the Baltic Fleet, the sea is narrow and shallow ... that our entire navy is represented only by the modest Northern Fleet + 6 nuclear submarines in the Black Sea Fleet and 6 diesel-electric submarines in the Japanese sea and that's it!

[Stepan S]

and not die 10 minutes after the start of the war,

And who is this and how will destroy the entire fleet 10 minutes after the start of the war?

We multiply by zero all submarines in Kamchatka (they will not be allowed to leave the base because there is nothing to cover the water area near the base),

Submarines must leave the base before the start of the war, and if they did not leave, then shoot from the pier, why should they go somewhere?

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Stepan S

Submarines must leave the base before the start of the war

and the enemy does not know? it would not hurt the enemy to prepare for the start of the war and start tracking these three submarines, you can always keep track of them the enemy has enough funds

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Stepan S

And who is this and how will destroy the entire fleet 10 minutes after the start of the war?

in closed and small seas surrounded by the territories of a strong enemy (NATO and JAPAN), the surface fleet is completely destroyed by ground-based missile systems and coastal-based aircraft

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Sibiryak 66

like that for half a year not being able to do repairs because of the weather is strong. And if combat damage, or on a campaign?

I will leave a comment for those who like to expose the power of today. I will give an example of repair and restoration work in Norway, outside the dock at the LK Tirpitz:

"On the whole, the forces and means at the disposal of the Germans were far from what was necessary for the full repair of the ship. A number of materials and equipment had to be delivered to the north of Norway from Germany. about difficult weather conditions - in the conditions of the polar night, all work was carried out under electric lighting. Nevertheless, the repairs carried out on "Tirpitz" became one of the outstanding achievements in the history of the navy. The chief shipbuilding advisor Crooks, who supervised the work, was awarded the German Cross in silver.
The repair of the outer skin was difficult. Wooden cofferdams practically did not lend themselves to fitting to the heavily dented body, they constantly contained water, which did not allow electric welding to be carried out. ... Workers had to work knee-deep in icy water in the polar winter. Thanks to their efforts, by the end of December, the main damage to the hull was eliminated, the water flow was eliminated, the ship was leveled and had a normal draft. However, some of the damaged and dented frames had to be left in the same condition, since it was not possible to replace them without docking.

Plus a huge amount of work on the restoration of power plants, turbines, electrical systems, etc. And for everything about everything the Germans took "in field conditions" FOUR MONTHS !!!! And not 4 years as our mumblers.
As you can see, there is a lack of will, desire and, apparently, skills, which are covered by "objective" reasons. Under I.V. Stalin, the TAVKR would be repaired with the REPLACEMENT of all worn out units and parts in a maximum of 18 months.
IMHO.

[Bradley]

The timing is just shifting. Then it was shifted to 2024, to 2025. The reason will be found.
And what is happening with the Kuznetsov air group now? Where are they training now and how intensively?
Indeed, even if they are delivered in the summer of 2023, it will take another year to train the crew and equipment for them.
And what about the MiG-29K? What about Zhuk-ME? Improved reliability (low mean time between failures)? And when is the "Beetle" with AFAR? MiG - Kuznetsov's main caliber, for a second.

[Grandfather]

Quote: Bradley

And what about the MiG-29K? What about Zhuk-ME? Improved reliability (low mean time between failures)? And when is the "Beetle" with AFAR? MiG - Kuznetsov's main caliber, for a second.

Large-scale optimization continues in the Russian aircraft industry, the result of which should be the merger of several enterprises into one. A side effect will be massive layoffs of professional staff, concentration of the industry in one hand, lack of competitiveness and stagnation. Bonuses will be received by Sergey Chemezov and his proxies.

According to the source, at the end of November, the employees of JSC "RSK" MiG "found a man in one of the premises, lying in a pool of blood. It was the leading engineer of the enterprise, 38-year-old Alexei Smetannikov. Despite the cut throat, the man was alive. An ambulance took him to the Botkin hospital. Doctors refused to give any predictions, the victim was sent for an urgent operation. On the fact of the incident, a pre-investigation check began.

After interviewing Alexey Smetannikov's colleagues, the investigators decided that, most likely, it was a suicide attempt - during his lunch break, he went to the toilet and cut himself with a razor. The motive for suicide could be the personal problems of the engineer, as well as troubles at work.

Employees of JSC RSK MiG told reporters that the company is cutting personnel, and over the past couple of years this is not the first "optimization" of personnel. Officially, the company says that Smetannikov was not threatened with dismissal. But, regardless of the reasons for his action, this whole story provides a good reason to take a closer look at the state of affairs in one of the leading Russian industrial companies.

https://rosotkat.ru/chto-budet-s-rossijskim-migom.html

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Bradley

And what is happening with the Kuznetsov air group now?

stand outside in the snow and rain, but no new ones are expected

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Bradley

And what is happening with the Kuznetsov air group now? Where are they training now and how intensively?

Our media reported that in the absence of the aircraft carrier, the NITKA complex in Saki is used to train pilots. At the beginning of September, the pilots of the 100th separate naval aviation regiment (OKIAP) of the Northern Fleet (SF) naval aviation were trained on MiG-29K / KUB aircraft. Earlier, the pilots of the 279th OKIAP Northern Fleet, armed with the Su-33 and Su-25UTG aircraft, received the same training. In October, there was a note that both regiments completed their training at the NITKA complex in Saki. According to the press service of the Federation Council, for more than a month, seven pilots, including five young pilots of carrier-based aviation, were trained for landing on the deck of an aircraft carrier. All of them took off from the ship's springboard on a Su-33 fighter and independently landed on a ground simulator with an air finisher's cable hook.
Source: MTC "BASTION" AVKarpenko

[Bradley]

It's good. I hope that the preparation will continue so that the pilots do not lose their combat readiness.

[Osipov9391]

About the summer of 2023, there is not even a talk, if it comes out, it will go through measuring lines, demagnetization and other procedures for about a year.
So no earlier than 2024, aviation will start working from the ship. And the oldest Su-33 will be 35 years old, the youngest is not much less.

[Thrifty]

This only confirms the fact that there is blatant incompetence and unwillingness to solve the problem of aircraft carrier repair without a shout or even a kick from above.

[Or me]

Of course, everything is vague, and there is no question of any specific period. It is quite possible that these terms will shift to the right.

At the same time, it is added that the deadlines for the commissioning of "Admiral Kuznetsov" after the repair will be shifted to 2023. It is planned that it will be able to return to service by about the summer of that year.

[archiroll]

Found pests who deliberately flooded the dock under the guise of sloppiness?

[Serg Kam]

In the search for a criminal, the most important thing is not to come out on yourself.

In general, not so long ago there was an interesting trial, on the claim of the 82nd repair plant (owners of the dock) to cancel the order.
Judging by the court decision, the dock operation was carried out according to the plan, it was agreed in advance, but the progress was disrupted by "a shock in the dock hull, after which the power supply to the equipment and lighting was cut off. The emergency lighting was automatically turned on and the emergency diesel generator started up."

https://okt--mrm.sudrf.ru/modules.php?name=sud_delo&srv_num=1&name_op=doc&number=35851046&delo_id=1540005&new=&text_number=1

[tralflot1832]

Somewhere information fell. A dry dock is needed for the repair of the rudder group and gross lines. A question with the removal of the latter? The aircraft carrier holds only this point. Everything else is done afloat. In the PD 50, the outboard "fittings" were repaired. Well, at least they had time, otherwise the Kingstons would have closed their asses.

[Bshkaus]

Everything is fine: just a "working situation", the main thing is not to rush and do everything efficiently, then the cranes must be dropped on the deck and a fire must be set up, and if you surpass yourself, then you can drown the largest floating dock - and all this is around the TAVKR of the 80s years of the last century. Either the stupid Americans with their shifts according to the lunar program "Artemis" cannot cope, there is a shame of the nation, that's for sure.

[nikolai.soot]

To our President: put a dozen against the wall and everything will fall into place. It will be even better than under Stalin. Today people are fed at every step ....

[Old engineer]

some time ago here some cheers-patriots shouted that the sunken dock would be raised in the near future. Something now about the possibility of lifting thereof is silent.

[16112014nk]

like that for half a year not to be able to do repairs because of the weather ... Half a year to wait for the weather?

- "... bad weather for half a year,
half a year nowhere at all. "©
Here is an excuse for our leaders and all sorts of "effective" ones.

[Spring fluff]

I did not understand what the news was, the info was already there - here is the August article https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/307680/
"... The dry dock, which is being built at the 35th shipyard, will be ready by the end of this year. But the docking of the Admiral Kuznetsov will be carried out in the warm season. That is, in the summer of 2022," a source in the OPK said.
...
There are doubts that the dock will be ready before the end of this year. Because a tender has not yet been announced for the bathoport - a complex and laborious floating structure to build, which acts as a shutter to the dock entrance after the water from the chamber has been pumped out. In winter, the bathoport is not built. And winter in Murmansk will begin in one and a half or two months. "

[Yuriy71]

"Whatever they do, things are not going ... you can see their mother gave birth on Monday ...." But seriously, it's a sad story! At least one Project was, according to which the terms would not move to the right? "Golden" will be a Cruiser! Downtime is also a pretty penny!

[cmax]

We would have sold it to the Chinese and our leaders would not suffer. Money was cut into more than one yacht.