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"Under Trump, this was impossible": the US press comment on a telephone conversation between the President of the Russian Federation and the Director of the CIA

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It was confirmed that the CIA director spoke not only with the heads of the Russian special services, including the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, but also with the Russian president. The report notes that Vladimir Putin and William Burns held telephone conversations, in which there were several topics for discussion.


It turns out that cybersecurity issues were discussed with the CIA director. Earlier, we will remind, it was reported that Russia and the United States restored contacts along this line. Moreover, this happened after an almost 8-year break, when the American side refused to interact with Moscow, preferring to accuse Russia of allegedly supporting hackers. Moreover, according to the statements of the American side, Russian hackers allegedly could even influence the US election system.

Experts note that the resumption of interaction between the special services of the two states in terms of countering the activity of cybercrime is the most important component. She says that the same USA is interested in such cooperation, and nevertheless found the strength and ability to move from baseless accusations to pragmatic contacts. How strong they will turn out to be is a separate question.

Dmitry Peskov confirmed the fact of telephone conversations between President Putin and the CIA director and pointed out that there were other topics for discussion. Among other things, the crisis of the diplomatic presence was discussed. We are talking about the practice of expelling diplomats, as well as about the illegal occupation of diplomatic buildings. This practice was started by the American side in due time.

According to Peskov, Putin and Burns also discussed "issues related to regional conflicts."

As they write in the American conservative press, if the head of the American intelligence service during Trump's presidency spoke with Vladimir Putin, he would instantly be announced in "leaking secret information to the Kremlin."

Commentary in the American Conservative Press:

But under Trump, this was impossible. Then the director of the CIA would be immediately accused of working for the Kremlin by order of the 45th president. Moreover, those who initiate these contacts today would do it.
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  1. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 8 November 2021 13: 28
    -2
    So Burns ("Scotsman" or Poet) reported on the work done and received instructions! Or is it something else? lolAnd what of this, while this is just talk, it is not clear what to do.
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 8 November 2021 13: 34
      -3
      And they talked in a whisper, while grandfather was a baine, so as not to wake up ...
      1. barclay
        barclay 8 November 2021 13: 44
        +1
        Well, now you need to wait for the CIA chief to be summoned for "interrogation" to Congress, where he will be forced to report details. And it's not a fact that they will believe ...
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 8 November 2021 13: 53
          0
          Western media write that Biden sent the CIA director to Moscow to warn the Russian Federation about the buildup of troops near the Ukrainian border and to try to find out the reasons for this. Well, that means the answer is - Putin just wanted to discuss diplomatic dachas with him.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 8 November 2021 15: 15
            0
            One of Burns' statements: the United States recognizes the special status of Donbass and the lack of alternative to Minsk relations. Another department is working at dachas, your joke is unsuccessful.
        2. den3080
          den3080 8 November 2021 14: 15
          +2
          Quote: barclay
          Well, now you need to wait for the CIA chief to be summoned for "interrogation" to Congress, where he will be forced to report details. And it's not a fact that they will believe ...

          Start with a translator smile
          1. Civil
            Civil 8 November 2021 14: 51
            +2
            The director of the American department spoke with the president of another country.
            1. Flank
              Flank 9 November 2021 11: 29
              -1
              Well, under Stalin, about the war of Germany against Poland, an ordinary general was sent in general and he sailed for two weeks on a steamer. And nothing, they received Dumenka and talked with him at the highest level.
          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 8 November 2021 15: 17
            0
            At Burns' numerous requests, the interpreter was provided by the Russian Foreign Ministry, represented by the interpreter of the meeting, Putin Trump. Not verified yet.
      2. Clear
        Clear 8 November 2021 17: 26
        0
        Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
        And they talked in a whisper, while grandfather was a baine, so as not to wake up ...

        After drinking, I realized - he was waiting for my call! lol
    2. knn54
      knn54 8 November 2021 14: 02
      +2
      I remembered the parable about the Buridan donkey - two tasty heaps of hay. One: REAL policy. The second is election promises.
      Trump was in such a situation, and every head of the White House.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 8 November 2021 14: 08
      +6
      reported on the work done and received instructions!

      Interestingly, could Bortnikov personally talk to Biden? I have not heard something I doubt very much .. not by rank .... It is not clear here who gave instructions to whom.
      1. House 25 Sq. 380
        House 25 Sq. 380 8 November 2021 21: 48
        +2
        Biden can even talk to Tikhanovskaya ...
    4. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 8 November 2021 14: 17
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      So Burns ("Scotsman" or Poet) reported on the work done and received instructions! Or is it something else? lolAnd what of this, while this is just talk, it is not clear what to do.

      laughing From the language removed ...
      Commentary in the American Conservative Press:
      But under Trump, this was impossible. Then the director of the CIA would be immediately accused of working for the Kremlin by order of the 45th president. Moreover, those who initiate these contacts today would do it.

      After a couple of years in the American press:
      Biden's team worked in the interests of the Kremlin. The CIA director reported directly to Putin and received assignments from him.
    5. Martian
      Martian 8 November 2021 14: 21
      -8
      And supposing that, Burns thanked for the successful work on the collapse of the country ...?
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 8 November 2021 14: 38
        +5
        Quote: Martian
        Burns thanked for the successful work on the collapse of the country

        Somewhere I already heard it ...
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 8 November 2021 15: 39
          +3
          Both Tarasov are taken to the SBU
          and there is our favorite - "what about us?" laughing
    6. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 November 2021 14: 39
      +4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Burns ("Scotsman" or Poet

      Robert Burns is the author of the Brazilian folk song "Love and Poverty".
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 November 2021 13: 34
    0
    Cybersecurity is important. Anyway. Many troubles in the digital space can be done if there is no control ... Real troubles, not only with economic, but also with physical victims ...
    1. Clear
      Clear 8 November 2021 17: 45
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Cybersecurity is important. Anyway. Many troubles in the digital space can be done if there is no control ... Real troubles, not only with economic, but also with physical victims ...

      Apparently there was a conversation between two people capable of making decisions. And who is there to talk to? Zits-president? So, he sleeps on the move. Like Pound ...
      Burns spent half of his career in the Soviet-Russian direction. He worked in Russia for three years, speaks Russian.
  3. Bez 310
    Bez 310 8 November 2021 13: 36
    +1
    "This is some kind of shame!"
    How long can you grovel?
    1. 76SSSR
      76SSSR 8 November 2021 22: 09
      0
      Quote: Bez 310
      "This is some kind of shame!"
      How long can you grovel?

      "Anyone who is in no hurry succeeds everywhere." (c) Bulgakov "Heart of a Dog".
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 November 2021 13: 37
    +1
    This is not the level of Putin, and for such "communication", there are cellars of the Lubyanka, and "masters of conducting mental laughing interviews "!!!
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 8 November 2021 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      This is not the level of Putin, and for such "communication", there are cellars of the Lubyanka, and "masters of conducting mental laughing interviews "!!!

      laughing So if the chief decided to personally thank his man in the CIA for a good job.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 8 November 2021 14: 07
      -2
      The CIA also has basements, and there are "soul masters" too. So what?
      1. 76SSSR
        76SSSR 8 November 2021 14: 34
        +3
        Do you remember Guantanamo with a shudder? You are not alone ...
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 8 November 2021 14: 44
          +5
          I have not been to Cuba, but I knew the people who visited the "spiritual masters" in the "matte offices" on the Lubyanka. And I am frankly amused by those who are seriously discussing this topic, but it is treated quickly, in the same basement.
    3. Rostislav
      Rostislav 8 November 2021 14: 07
      -2
      Quote: Thrifty
      This is not Putin's level,

      I remembered my youth, I talked to a colleague.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 8 November 2021 14: 39
        -3
        ... and out of habit called Burns's switched off phone
      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 8 November 2021 17: 05
        -2
        Quote: Rostislav
        Quote: Thrifty
        This is not Putin's level,

        I remembered my youth, I talked to a colleague.

        was also the head of the club? I remember when in Ukraine the president communicated (reported) to the director of the CIA, there were completely different comments, well, yes, this is different.
        1. House 25 Sq. 380
          House 25 Sq. 380 8 November 2021 21: 52
          -1
          This is how he reported, because other comments were ...
    4. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 November 2021 14: 50
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      This is not Putin's level

      Obviously, Putin is one of the types of people whose stupid stereotypes about all sorts of levels there cause only a grin.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 8 November 2021 15: 17
        +2
        And the stereotype: Do not turn on the back under any circumstances - is this some stupid or funny stereotype?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 November 2021 15: 24
          0
          Of course stupid and funny, without any "or". "Plato is my friend but the truth is dearer". Unless, of course, we are not talking about outright betrayal.
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 8 November 2021 15: 32
            +4
            There is no talk of betrayal, but it cannot be that one person is right, tens of millions are wrong and lost souls. And in our country, the head of state adheres to exactly this stereotype. We are sliding more and more towards the phrase - the Law is I.
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 November 2021 15: 44
              -2
              Quote: ALARI
              it cannot be that one person is right, tens of millions are wrong

              It may very well be. "Atom" is translated from Greek as "indivisible", and once the Earth was considered the center of the Universe.
              In general, what is the difference between a truly noble person and a nonentity?
              A noble person considers everyone around him equal. And the insignificance is forced to constantly condescend to the plebeians.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 8 November 2021 13: 38
    +1
    It turns out that cybersecurity issues were discussed with the CIA director ///// The American side refused to interact with Moscow, preferring to accuse Russia of allegedly supporting hackers.
    A simple question ... has it become easier / better for them? Hackers or whoever else is there, aren't they being bent / bent down on a regular basis?
    The problems are GENERAL, concern everyone and can only be dealt with together.
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 8 November 2021 13: 47
      -4
      It's just that the director of the CIA asked VVP not to hack the US government anymore, well, at least not to touch the CIA network.
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      2. rocket757
        rocket757 8 November 2021 14: 04
        0
        Not a thief is caught .... all of them are presented well, very flimsy, not proven.
      3. zwlad
        zwlad 8 November 2021 20: 01
        0
        Even with humor, the miners are a little tight.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 8 November 2021 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      It turns out that cybersecurity issues were discussed with the CIA director ///// The American side refused to interact with Moscow, preferring to accuse Russia of allegedly supporting hackers.
      A simple question ... has it become easier / better for them? Hackers or whoever else is there, aren't they being bent / bent down on a regular basis?
      The problems are GENERAL, concern everyone and can only be dealt with together.

      I think Putin knows with whom and what to talk about in the United States.
      And, their internal disassembly is their own business.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 November 2021 14: 14
        +3
        Hi Gennady soldier
        According to serious experts, the topic of hackers is so, for ... at the same time. The director represents one / the next local political clan ... a test drive, he will agree on the account, synchronize watches or quarrel in advance. We know how to keep such secrets, but they have ... but fig knows it, there will be another "honest patriot" and will merge / sell everyone and everything. First time or something.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 8 November 2021 17: 34
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Hi Gennady soldier
          According to serious experts, the topic of hackers is so, for ... at the same time. The director represents one / the next local political clan ... a test drive, he will agree on the account, synchronize watches or quarrel in advance. We know how to keep such secrets, but they have ... but fig knows it, there will be another "honest patriot" and will merge / sell everyone and everything. First time or something.

          hi Hello Victor
          Colleagues, here it is more interested in who reported to whom during the call.
          I believe that it is already useless for Biden to say something serious .. He will not understand the depth of the material .. or he will fall asleep "along the way."
          My personal opinion is that discussing the safety of chicken coops with a fox is a waste of time.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 November 2021 18: 52
            +3
            I am guided by the opinion of several experts on local affairs ... they describe the situation in a similar way. In the dem party, such a hydra with many heads grows, and look, those who overslept or sat out will begin to eat, the best times for the "old man" are over, the aggressive, active young generation is already specifically supporting them and ... in general, it is clear what will happen. The question is what kind of head the moneybags will support, this is important !!!
            I will not list which "heads" are represented by Kerry, Burns and Nuland, but the layouts are already there and described.
            The most interesting is when and who from the "young" will come to us .... maybe Ocasio Cortez ??? That would really be interesting good good good the most promising lady.
            It is worth taking a closer look at them ... and in general, if Black drops White, LATINOS will win !!!
            In general, the games are going on there, oh what are not peaceful and the worse it is, the cooler the "fun" will be.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 8 November 2021 19: 04
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              and in general, if Black drops White, LATINOS will win !!!

              According to the latest official US census, Latinos already outnumber blacks.

              Quote: rocket757
              who from the "young" will come to us .... maybe Ocasio Cortez ???
              I think the Democrats spotted it early. And Kamala Harris hasn't tried it yet, is she just blown away? request Although, maybe. yes
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 8 November 2021 19: 15
                +1
                LATINOS Hispanic, REALLY RELIGIOUS, preserve their culture and mentality !!! This is a serious, motivated force!
                Camila Haris ... they immediately talked about her, a TECHNICAL FIGURE, for which there is no clan support, no money ... a lame horse, immediately and forever.
                Cortez ... you can say the shadow of Bernie Sanders! Socialists, with a national bias and not feeble support of the Hispanic masses, also political views, continuous extreme with a socialist veil! An explosive mixture in the hands of an explosive thing !!!
                If she is not torn apart by such layouts, she will go far, high!
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin 8 November 2021 20: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Cortez ... you can say the shadow of Bernie Sanders! Socialists, with a national bias and not feeble support of the Hispanic masses, also political views, continuous extreme with a socialist veil! An explosive mixture in the hands of an explosive thing !!!
                  If she is not torn apart by such layouts, she will go far, high!

                  Just the Latinos with their religiosity can tear not only her, and America in half.
                  By the way, Latinos are actively involved in political life. In the 2016 elections, they accounted for a record 11 percent of the electorate. And among the presidential candidates - Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, etc. - there were already a lot of them.
                  Latin Americans may well arrange a kirdyk to America.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 8 November 2021 20: 13
                    +1
                    According to the same experts, the romanization of striping, if it does not break it immediately, in the process of ts. can have a very beneficial effect on it from ALL PARTIES!
                    Hardworking, conservative, rallied around the RIGHT IDEAS ... the right families, without parents under numbers, but just PAP and MOM, etc., etc. in the same spirit!
                    By the way, they are NOT AGGRESSIVE, towards neighboring peoples, countries, and in general, they do not rush to HeHemon over everyone ..
                    This is how they wrote, for the truthfulness of the assessments, I will not give a dent, but anyway, it looks better than a cracked, completely crazed liber r r party, lazy, stupid ... blacks, and so on, other, no better.
                    Something like this ... but what actually, we will see, a little, then.
                    1. Terenin
                      Terenin 8 November 2021 20: 32
                      +2
                      Quote: rocket757
                      Something like this ... but what actually, we will see, a little, then.

                      Subscribe yes
  6. prior
    prior 8 November 2021 13: 41
    -3
    In America, they simply do not know that William Burns is the new Russian Rudolph Abel.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 8 November 2021 14: 19
      0
      Who are you? Why are you handing over yours? wassat
      1. prior
        prior 8 November 2021 14: 30
        -2
        And who are you?
        Like who?! At home among strangers. yes
  7. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 8 November 2021 13: 51
    +1
    Let the Democrats and Republicans gnaw, according to their rules, the Kremlin still needs to extend the gasoline engine, but V.V.P. will not go for it.
  8. Yves762
    Yves762 8 November 2021 14: 01
    -1
    lol They do not burn at all.
    That's just ...
    Who reported to whom.?. what
  9. askort154
    askort154 8 November 2021 14: 12
    +3
    According to Peskov, Putin and Burns also discussed "issues related to regional conflicts"

    Burns flew to Moscow on behalf of Biden. I met with the Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service Naryshkin, and with the Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Patrushev. Then he talked on the phone with Putin. After all this, Burns called Kiev, and the Donbass became "quieter". Let's see what will happen next.
    1. bukhach
      bukhach 8 November 2021 14: 25
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      and in the Donbass it became "quieter". Let's see what will happen next

      At least some benefit, if it really "quieted down".
      1. askort154
        askort154 8 November 2021 14: 54
        +4
        bukhach ......At least some benefit, if it really "quieted down".

        The Ukrainian Armed Forces were preparing to arrange a "holiday on November 7" for Donbass. But they changed their plans abruptly. We left the settlement of Staromaryevka and retreated from the area. In other districts, they occasionally fired shots after drinking moonshine.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 8 November 2021 15: 14
          +2
          Left the village of Staromaryevka

          They had left Staromaryevka for a week already, and they did it because they were there under fire from a dominant vantage point. For the same reason, Staromaryevka is in the "gray" zone. Geography does not accompany anchoring in it.
          1. askort154
            askort154 8 November 2021 16: 02
            +5
            They had left Staromaryevka for a week already, and they did it because they were there under fire from a dominant vantage point.

            Burns called Kiev on November 3, and the APU left immediately on the 6th. Three days for the execution of the command on the line Moscow-Kiev-Staromaryevka, real time. It may be a coincidence, or it may not. hi
  10. andr327
    andr327 8 November 2021 14: 33
    +1
    It is very similar to the frustration in the Merikov system. Everyone is trying to do something: either the Minister of Defense, or the Director of the CIA, or Nuland herself. And every old man Biden is courted with the desire to perform a brilliant act of raising the prestige of the United States.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2021 14: 36
    0
    But under Trump, this was impossible.
    Of course impossible. Trump is still being hacked with a false dossier about his ties to Russia during the campaign. And under the democrats it is possible, because Americans realized that without our country, the issues of combating cybercrime cannot be resolved. And when it is profitable for the Americans, they make contact even with the declared enemy. "What is allowed to Jupiter is not allowed to a bull." It is not necessary to explain who in this case is who.
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  13. Max PV
    Max PV 8 November 2021 15: 03
    +4
    The king is played by the retinue. And when the king himself cannot play, the retinue has to go to the mountain.
    Even somewhere I sympathize with this Burns. I can even understand. He worked at one time under the leadership, of course, not his grandfather-marasmatian-with one-foot-in-the-world, but he was a major, which is not much better, and the heads of departments had to work directly with someone else's leadership, since "the director is in the club all night spent, and is now ill. " We were lucky, six months later they kicked out the child with a filthy broom.
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 8 November 2021 18: 10
      +4
      But it really looks like the truth. The can, or in complete prostration, or even glued the flippers. But the issues need to be resolved. So the deputies went into action, who needs the same.
      Interestingly, when was the last time the can appeared in public? And then you never know. The main thing for the Democrats is that the Republicans do not know about it.
  14. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 8 November 2021 15: 12
    +1
    Interestingly, Putin conferred another title on his interlocutor, or only congratulated on the award?
  15. HAM
    HAM 8 November 2021 15: 17
    +4
    Something "chosen" nation often visited the "gas station": then Vikusya baked cookies and flooded to Moscow, now the main spy came to "talk" ...
    Knowing the manners of the Americans, it seems that they are up to some kind of grandiose scam .... and in Moscow they want to hedge themselves and make sure that they will not be disturbed ... just what will it be?
  16. Georgy Sedov
    Georgy Sedov 8 November 2021 15: 41
    +1
    - "If the mountain does not go to Magomed, then Magomed goes to the mountain," it means that American democracy and European values ​​lying on the supermarket shelf lose their value. already their business.
  17. Voltsky
    Voltsky 8 November 2021 17: 05
    0
    the Forrestal case lives on
  18. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 8 November 2021 20: 27
    -1
    I will allow myself to remind some commentators that until recently they were flirting about whether the parties discussed Ukraine or not. This was officially confirmed, from which fresh information naturally follows about the relative stabilization of the situation in the Donbas and the increase in the flow of Russian gas through Ukraine. When it comes to cybersecurity, it shouldn't be wishful thinking (as usual). The Americans have repeatedly accused our side of cyberattacks and threatened with serious retaliatory measures, regardless of who exactly is to blame, incl. if our state is not able to cope with the so-called. hackers. It is no coincidence that the citizens of the Russian Federation are periodically detained in different countries and are brought to criminal responsibility by the Americans. It looks like we have to negotiate ...
    1. House 25 Sq. 380
      House 25 Sq. 380 8 November 2021 21: 53
      0
      About khaz - very amusing ... Our southern neighbors always talk about khaz, even if they don't talk about it ...
  19. Siegfried
    Siegfried 9 November 2021 03: 17
    0
    The fact that CNN presented Burns' visit to Moscow as a "warning", that is, a threat to Russia (which, as everyone knows, is absolutely unacceptable in relations with Russia), may be a drain of Biden's opponents in the behind-the-scenes struggle for the US course. After this, it will be difficult for Russia to make concessions, and again Belarus refuses to sell electricity to Ukraine. She refused - allowed - now she refused again ... so that Burns would go to Russia to threaten it is impossible to imagine, for this it is pointless to fly there (everyone knows that Russia reacts harshly to threats), it would be enough to publicly express this. Not a fact, but it may be against the policy of freezing tensions between the United States and Russia that certain forces are acting in the United States itself. Perhaps, of course, we agreed in this way to calm down all opponents of rapprochement in the United States, but it sounded publicly and the whole world is watching the reaction of Moscow ... and now the super spy was again denied a trip to his homeland (he just did not understand, writing petitions is not an option, he must go through a spiritual rebirth and become a zone watcher).
    1. p0pulivox
      p0pulivox 9 November 2021 17: 56
      -1
      Actually:
      MINSK, November 9. / TASS /. The state-owned enterprise Belenergo on Tuesday denied media reports about the cancellation of previously concluded contracts for the supply of electricity to Ukraine.

      "Belarus continues to supply electricity to Ukraine within the framework of the contract signed for November. The export is carried out in accordance with the obligations specified in the contract," the press service of Belenergo said.
  20. EvilLion
    EvilLion 10 November 2021 08: 08
    0
    Excuse me, but who is the president of the CIA to conduct direct negotiations with the president of another country? Even in the relationship of two offices, only another director can write to the director. Within the United States, a CIA director is simply an official in charge of one of the government services. If the director of the CIA has something to say to the president of the Russian Federation, then he probably should turn to his superiors, which already have access to diplomatic channels of communication.

    Or, through the same channels, an agreement was previously reached on who and when will be able to call Putin, and all the powers of this person have been agreed upon in advance. True, for such situations there are ambassadors whose main task is to convey something "their king and the king of the country of residence."