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The names of the ships of the Russian Navy that entered the Mediterranean Sea

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The names of the ships of the Russian Navy that entered the Mediterranean Sea

The users of social networks from the city of Istanbul (Turkey) named the ships of the Russian Navy that entered the Mediterranean. They were spotted following through the Bosphorus.


This was told in news agencies Interfax, referring to publications of Istanbul residents in social networks.

It is known that a small squadron consisting of the minesweeper "Vice-Admiral Zakharyin", tugboat MB-304 and anti-sabotage boat P-191 "Kadet" passed through the strait. Observers suggested that she was heading to the Tartus naval base in Syria, which serves as a logistics center for the Russian Navy.

Not long before that, a large landing ship (BDK) of the Russian naval forces "Caesar Kunikov" was sent to the Mediterranean Sea. About 15 Russian warships and auxiliary vessels are permanently located in the Mediterranean waters.

Operating in the Mediterranean, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation do not disregard the Black Sea. So, since November 4, they have been tracking the actions of the US Navy command ship USS Mount Whitney. In the Black Sea area, there are other floating craft flying the flags of the United States and NATO countries.

The flagship USS Mount Whitney made a short stop in Istanbul, then proceeded towards the USS Porter, which arrived in the Black Sea on November 1.

In the West, the appearance of Russian warships in the Mediterranean does not cause such a violent reaction as it did 5-6 years ago. Get used to ...
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 09: 51
    +29
    Well, what kind of squadron is this, a maximum of a squadron.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 8 November 2021 09: 57
      +9
      In which there are no real warships.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 09: 58
        +4
        Quote: Sea Cat
        In which there are no real warships.

        The minesweeper is not a battleship ?! Well sorry ...
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 8 November 2021 10: 28
          -7
          Well, sorry ...

          Excuse me if you inform in what naval battles and with what success the ships of this type participated.
          1. Victor Tsenin
            Victor Tsenin 8 November 2021 10: 45
            +5
            https://flot.com/news/dayinhistory/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=9395

            I think certain food can be tolerated with respect.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 8 November 2021 11: 53
              +4
              Do you mean "fog"? This is not an indicator, in that situation and a fishing trawler was a way out, only temporary. And his heroic death only confirms the complete failure of such "steamers" in an artillery battle.
              1. Waterways 672
                Waterways 672 8 November 2021 12: 24
                +3
                Followed the link:
                The modern patrol ship "Tuman" was named in memory of a patrol boat heroically killed during the Great Patriotic War. On August 10, 1961, 20 pet. After a glorious battle, the new TFR "Fog" came to the place where its predecessor lies in the depths of the sea, to salute that eternal glory.

                In the base we were standing next to the SKR-50 "Tuman". We had three "fifty kopecks" of them - "Fog", "Badger" and "Kobchik". Liepaja, 77-80.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 8 November 2021 13: 01
                  -1
                  Which one did you use? It's just interesting, I served in the tank, but I had a chance to visit Sevastopol, visiting, of course. smile
                  1. Waterways 672
                    Waterways 672 8 November 2021 13: 10
                    +3
                    Em "Hurry" pr. 56. Commander - Gavrilov A.V., Chief Officer - Radzevsky G.A., Deputy - Kravchuk B.A. Komendor UPBU (universal deck-tower installations), 1st turret of the main caliber.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 8 November 2021 13: 25
                      0
                      Of the destroyers, I only happened to visit the decommissioned 30-bis in Inkerman. smile request
                      1. Waterways 672
                        Waterways 672 8 November 2021 13: 46
                        +3
                        76th destroyer brigade in Liepaja. We also had thirties - "Decent", "Fiery" ... They practically did not go to sea anymore. From 56 - "Persistent", "Hurry", "Light". Of the ships that were modern at that time in Liepaja, there were three MRKs. The new ships were mainly based in Baltiysk, the flagship was also there - the cruiser "October Revolution".
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 November 2021 13: 54
                        0
                        "Oktyabrina" once saw in St. Petersburg at the parade. I was more fortunate with the "Minsk", when they drove it and put it on a barrel in the outer roadstead, the whole of Sevastopol gathered on the North Side with binoculars and cameras. So I was the first to bring his photo to Moscow. It was the same with the "Slava", but it was easier there, the cruiser was in the parade line and the boat passed almost closely along the side.
                      3. Waterways 672
                        Waterways 672 8 November 2021 14: 09
                        +4
                        In Liepaja there was another training cruiser "Komsomolets", but it was then living out its last days. When we came from our training school to Liepaja, half of our shift ended up serving on "Komsomolets", and the other half on em "Speshny". "Hurry" at that time was not in the base - he was at the parade in St. Petersburg, it was November '77. And so they threw us from ship to ship, until ours came, waited a week. We managed to live on em Steppenny, on the cruiser Komsomolets and on the MRK Shkval.
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 November 2021 14: 24
                        +4
                        "Komsomolets" former "Valery Chkalov" project 68-K ... The ships were beautiful. smile
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 10: 52
            -4
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Excuse me if you inform in what naval battles and with what success the ships of this type participated.

            Type or class? And then in fact in demagoguery and I can. Not so cheap.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 8 November 2021 11: 47
              -2
              And then in fact in demagoguery and I can.


              That has long been noticed and not only by me. laughing
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 13: 20
                -1
                Quote: Sea Cat
                That has long been noticed and not only by me. laughing

                Oh oh, so type or class? Otherwise, you may be confusing them.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 8 November 2021 13: 26
                  -2
                  Yeah, like that ensign, temperature with an angle. laughing
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 14: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    Yeah, like that ensign, temperature with an angle.
                    Clearly, this is a tricky question.
                    So what type, what class of ship are all the same to you? And the determining criterion for whether a ship is a combat type or not is the successful participation of a ship of a certain type in sea battles? Well, then the overwhelming majority of the types of existing ships, not only of Russia, but of the world, are non-combat according to your criterion.
                    As for the minesweeper of the "Vice-Admiral Zakharyin" type (project 02668), this is a Project 266ME ship, upgraded during completion, and 266ME is an export version of the 266M
                    Since July 1982, the ship has been named "Kursk Komsomolets". The sea minesweeper participated in the protection of Soviet fishing vessels in the fishing areas in the Atlantic off the coast of West Africa, and also solved the tasks of mine action for Soviet navigation in the Persian Gulf in conditions when the Iran-Iraq war continued. During his first trip to the Persian Gulf in 1987 (196 days), the minesweeper "Kurskiy Komsomolets" led 16 convoys (27 Soviet ships) through mine-hazardous areas, having covered 17 miles. And in 900, he led 1988 tankers and transports through the mine-hazardous areas of the Persian Gulf. 32 crew members of this ship were awarded orders and medals.

                    On May 14, 1990, in the Red Sea, the tanker "Internationale", guarded by the "Razvedchik" MTShch, was attacked by 4 boats equipped with 106-mm guns. The minesweeper's sailors opened barrage - his stern gun mount, small anti-aircraft artillery and two large-caliber machine guns DShK "Utes" (model 1943), mounted on the back of the bridge, fired. In addition, submachine gunners from the fire resistance group entered the battle. The hydroacoustic engineer of the 2nd article Igor Shvets, who fired from the Utes DShK, was wounded in the leg. One boat was blown up by the fire of the foreman of the 1st article of Alexander Nondescript. The fight lasted from 4.48 to 4.56, for a total of 8 minutes. During this time, the minesweeper used up four and a half of the six tons of ammunition on board.

                    This is not counting the combat work on mine clearance. And yours
                    Quote: Sea Cat
                    Excuse me if you inform in what naval battles and with what success the ships of this type participated.
                    it’s like demanding a report on those killed by sappers, who do not care about the mines that have been removed.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 8 November 2021 14: 51
                      0
                      it’s like demanding a report on those killed by sappers, who do not care about the mines that have been removed.

                      Everyone does his job, some in the rear, some at the front, and some in the escort company, depending on what who, or what serves, both people and things are subdivided.
                      I haven't heard anything new from you.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 15: 03
                        +1
                        Yes, yes of course: first this
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        In which there are no real warships.

                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Excuse me if you inform in what naval battles and with what success the ships of this type participated.

                        And in response to specific examples of combat work, not even of a class of ships, but of a specific type, we see these empty words.
                        Quote: Sea Cat

                        Everyone does his job, some in the rear, some at the front, and some in the escort company, depending on what who, or what serves, both people and things are subdivided.
                        I haven't heard anything new from you.
                        So demagoguery and cheap.


                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        On May 14, 1990, in the Red Sea, the tanker "Internationale", guarded by the "Razvedchik" MTShch, was attacked by 4 boats equipped with 106-mm guns. The minesweeper's sailors opened barrage - his stern gun mount, small anti-aircraft artillery and two large-caliber machine guns DShK "Utes" (model 1943), mounted on the back of the bridge, fired. In addition, submachine gunners from the fire resistance group entered the battle. The hydroacoustic engineer of the 2nd article Igor Shvets, who fired from the Utes DShK, was wounded in the leg. One boat was blown up by the fire of the foreman of the 1st article of Alexander Nondescript. The fight lasted from 4.48 to 4.56, for a total of 8 minutes. During this time, the minesweeper used up four and a half of the six tons of ammunition on board.
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 November 2021 15: 37
                        0
                        Listen, specialist laughing , DShK and "Utes" machine guns of different generations, copy someone's nonsense and want to be taken seriously? request
                        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        DShK (GRAU Index - 56-P-542) - Soviet heavy heavy machine gun chambered for 12,7 × 108 mm. Developed on the basis of the design of the large-caliber heavy machine gun DK.
                        In February 1939, the DShK was adopted by the Red Army under the designation "12,7 mm heavy machine gun Degtyarev - Shpagin model 1938".

                        NSV "Cliff" (Index GRAU - 6P11) - Soviet 12,7-mm heavy machine gun, designed to combat lightly armored targets and fire weapons, to destroy enemy personnel and defeat air targets. Years of operation 1972 - present
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 15: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Listen, specialist laughing, DShK and "Utes" machine guns of different generations, copy someone's nonsense and want to be taken seriously? request
                        So what? That is, you dispute the reliability of the combat service of minesweepers on the basis that someone (not me) dumped two machine guns of the same caliber in a heap? You then interfere in a heap and types and classes of SHIPS.
                        A few minutes later one of the "Cliffs" fell silent: the sonar Igor Shvets, who was standing behind him, was wounded in the leg. The second machine gun also died down almost immediately. Jammed.

                        Well, here's a description without DShK, what has changed then? The trawler became a destroyer?
                        The fact that you are using demagogic methods to get out is what has not changed.
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 November 2021 16: 10
                        -1
                        I challenge your professionalism in the selection of materials on the topic.
                        A few minutes later one of the "Cliffs" fell silent: the sonar Igor Shvets, who was standing behind him, was wounded in the leg. The second machine gun also died down almost immediately. Jammed.
                        Well, here's a description without DShK, what has changed then? The trawler became a destroyer?


                        Yeah, with "Cliff" in XNUMX. laughing

                        You drunk, don't you understand what this is about? Or is it much more complicated?
                      5. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 16: 43
                        0
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I challenge your professionalism in the selection of materials on the topic.
                        Those. demagogy. Well, you are fine, you learned something familiar, and alga, the machine gun is not the same, but I poke you again:
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Excuse me if you inform in what naval battles and with what success the ships of this type participated.
                        Here you are clever, but you did not answer a reasonable question like this:
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Type or class?

                        I answered you, but you did not. Conclusion, you are a demagogue.


                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Well, here's a description without DShK, what has changed then? The trawler became a destroyer?
                        Yeah, with "Cliff" in XNUMX. laughing Are you drunk, don't you understand what this is about? Or is it much more complicated?
                        Then you don't like DShK, then "Cliff", then a year. So the year is quite suitable for "Cliff"

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        May 14, 1990 in the Red Sea the tanker "Internationale", guarded by the "Razvedchik" MTSH, was attacked by 4 boats equipped with 106-mm guns.
                        So who is drunk is not yet clear.
                        And the fact that you do not see the difference between the class and the type of ship, well, it's a pity that the Cat was not a marine. But I will try to explain to you on something that is understandable for you: DShK and NSV "Utyos" are two different TYPES of the same CLASS of machine guns - large-caliber machine guns, and even with one cartridge.
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 8 November 2021 16: 57
                        0
                        Goodbye, I'm tired of it. laughing
                      7. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 17: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Goodbye, I'm tired of it. laughing

          3. Galleon
            Galleon 8 November 2021 11: 52
            +5
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Well, sorry ...

            Excuse me if you inform in what naval battles and with what success the ships of this type participated.

            Straight along Shukshin laughing Cut off !! good
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 14: 32
              0
              Quote: Galleon
              Straight on Shukshin laughing Cut it off !! good

              Are you also raving about naval battles? You know a lot of types modern ships that participated in sea battles?
              1. Galleon
                Galleon 8 November 2021 15: 03
                +2
                Do not be offended)) You fell for the tooth of the Sea Cat great. Of course, a minesweeper is not a combat ship, but a combat support ship.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Do you know many types of modern ships that took part in naval battles?

                Cruiser, destroyer, aircraft carrier, submarine. Enough? Add a corvette (analogue of a sea hunter or patrol boat). This is no longer for battles, of course, but for battles.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 15: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Galleon
                  Do not be offended)) You fell for the tooth of the Sea Cat great

                  And you update the branch, the cat is not so marine.
                  Quote: Galleon
                  Cruiser, destroyer, aircraft carrier, submarine. Enough? Add a corvette (analogue of a sea hunter or patrol boat). This is no longer for battles, of course, but for battles.
                  What you wrote are classes. And to confuse types and classes to a person who at least understands something in the modern Russian fleet is not very comme il faut. But it doesn't matter, is it more important that the minesweeper as a type or class, a battleship?

                  1. Galleon
                    Galleon 8 November 2021 15: 21
                    +2
                    Types, classes ... Do you know a lot about the modern fleet, which goes by such "squadrons"? Let me not tell you where you should shove these types and classes. What types, what classes ... it's like putting a plastic stock on a rifle and a picatinny rail to collect dirt and talk about increased combat power. I will not support empty talk.
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 8 November 2021 15: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Galleon
                      Types, classes ... Do you know a lot about the modern fleet, which goes by such "squadrons"? Let me not tell you where you should shove these types and classes. What types, what classes ... it's like putting a plastic stock on a rifle and a picatinny rail to collect dirt and talk about increased combat power. I will not support empty talk.

                      From cut off so cut off. And what where to shove, decide between your own, experts in the fleet.
          4. venik
            venik 8 November 2021 18: 51
            +3
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Excuse me if you inform in what naval battles and with what success the ships of this type participated.

            =======
            And for example corvettes (not sailing) - in WHAT sea battles did you participate and with what success? bully
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 8 November 2021 10: 01
        0
        The users of social networks from the city of Istanbul (Turkey) named the ships of the Russian Navy that entered the Mediterranean. They were spotted following through the Bosphorus.

        And what? Isn't it nizzy? Oh, those social networks! As concierges in Paris - they immediately report to the gendarmerie! The military doesn't have to do anything! )))
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 8 November 2021 11: 07
          -2
          In the West, the appearance of Russian warships in the Mediterranean does not cause such a violent reaction as it did 5-6 years ago. Get used to ...

          Interesting. Strengthening Russia in the Black Sea is critical for the West, but in the Mediterranean is it possible? What about this, they are already silent? In the West, their "heralds" are definitely inadequate!
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 8 November 2021 13: 30
            +1
            The West is in a panic.
            The Pentagon is terrified.
            The State Department is shocked.
      3. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 8 November 2021 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        In which there are no real warships.

        The main thing is that it sounds loud, a small squadron.
      4. isv000
        isv000 8 November 2021 22: 21
        0
        Quote: Sea Cat
        In which there are no real warships.

        In addition, judging by the author's photo, one of them is standing on barrels.
    2. alex neym_2
      alex neym_2 8 November 2021 10: 07
      -2
      And where is the tracking service of the Ukrainian Navy for the Black Sea, if the data comes from "Istanbul residents"? So, you see, the "adversary" is suitable for Odessa itself, but we did not even notice ... but we will "spread" it to the very least I want, if we sleep it off with a hangover ...
    3. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 8 November 2021 10: 23
      +1
      This, of course, is not a squadron. This is ARMADA !!! love
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 8 November 2021 10: 40
      +7
      For some reason, the photo was not attached to the article.

      1. teptyar
        teptyar 8 November 2021 11: 48
        0
        what years are they? Look pretty sad
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 8 November 2021 12: 34
          +4
          Zakharin is fresh - an export refusenik, which was completed for the Navy by 2008. Just a project of the 60s with modernizations in the 70s and 80s, and the ship itself began to be built under Gorbachev, and then they were looking for a customer, and then the customer changed his mind, in the end 18 years of construction.
          Yaroslavl tug from the 70s
          The rook is new.

          In general, the Black Sea Fleet is traditionally a combination of relics of the early Brezhnev and relatively new ships.




          And here is an interesting shot of one of the recent flights. A brand new tug pulls a tanker from the 60s.

          By the way, in 30 years only 1 supply vessel entered the DMZ in the Navy. sad And the old people are not eternal, and they also work with new ships with restrictions. It seems that building a tanker-type supplier is not so difficult. And they gave birth to only one and the one with problems.
          1. teptyar
            teptyar 8 November 2021 12: 39
            +1
            Yes, thanks, read it! This is a supply chain, nothing special
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 8 November 2021 12: 51
            -1
            Quote: donavi49
            It seems that building a tanker-type supplier is not so difficult. And they gave birth to only one and the one with problems.

            If not for the strange dances with a tambourine around the project 23131 on the "Zaliv", then there would be two more tankers.
  2. Aag
    Aag 8 November 2021 09: 57
    +3
    It seems that they decided to gain a foothold thoroughly ...
    ... I hope it's good in my waters ... (otherwise, it's somehow restless, taking into account the quantity, quality of pennants on one side and on the other ...)
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  5. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 8 November 2021 10: 04
    0
    This was reported in the Interfax news agency, referring to the publications of Istanbul residents in social networks.

    Excellent source, you know. All ships are listed, name, purpose ...

    From the Middle East media:
    Istanbul-based maritime watchers have become a key resource for diplomats and intelligence agencies, providing vital information on the scale of Russia's military campaign in Syria.


    The Russians for such data on the movement of ships of the Russian Navy, in accordance with the latest decrees, would be instantly caught under the white hands. And bribes from shipppotters - "Istanbul residents from social networks" are smooth. Refer to your full pleasure, as to that bastard who told political jokes in the bathhouse until all the faces were washed and he was not seen. lol
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 8 November 2021 10: 13
    +2
    Yes, no excuse! November 5, 1976, at the plant named after 61 Communards, the Orlan-class lead missile cruiser was laid down. As a result, she became the Guards Missile Cruiser Moscow (Slava). A small detachment left for Middle-earth. Yesterday the frigate "Admiral Essen" conducted exercises Air defense to repel an air attack on the main base of the Black Sea Fleet Sevastopol. The exercises were successful, the partners have not yet suffered. Guards, RK Moscow in the Black Sea, everything is under control.
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 8 November 2021 10: 24
    -6
    Yes, it's time to send a couple of Iskander battalions to Cuba and Colombia - it will be more effective
    1. Stepan S
      Stepan S 8 November 2021 10: 44
      +4
      Yes, it's time to send a couple of Iskander battalions to Cuba and Colombia

      And who is waiting for them there?
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 8 November 2021 10: 27
    -7
    what In the Gulf of Mexico, ISHO would. But a more representative "delegation".
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 November 2021 10: 57
      +4
      As they build and send.

      For example, the old campaign - Moscow is now unable to master such a transition due to its technical condition.


      Gorshkov is now preparing for repairs after various tests. And the hike will not master either. I already keep silent that taking into account the knocked-out BPKashek in repairs for 5-10 years, there is stupidly no extra forces on the Northern Fleet.


      And the finale - the campaigns of single raiders for the Americans are not a threat at all. Rather, an excuse to practice a little and milk the Senate committees.
  9. New Year day
    New Year day 8 November 2021 10: 29
    -3
    approximately 15 Russian warships and support vessels

    And what if you compare it with the 5th squadron? - 70-80 ships! So much for your "galoshes"
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 8 November 2021 10: 58
      0
      Quote: Silvestr
      approximately 15 Russian warships and support vessels

      And what if you compare it with the 5th squadron? - 70-80 ships! So much for your "galoshes"

      When we learn to work like mattress toppers, then 70-80 ships in a squadron will begin to appear in our squadron. What do we know how to work with, the whole question is in the organization of production. Everything is very sad here. To be honest, I don’t know how it is now, maybe there is some progress in this issue, but in Soviet times, to be honest, everything was very bad.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 8 November 2021 11: 55
        -1
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        then 70-80 ships in the squadron will start to appear in our squadron

        what Why??????
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Honestly, I don’t know how it is now, maybe there is some progress in this matter.

        You don't have time to find out, you are preparing a revolution! laughing
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        But in Soviet times, to be honest, everything was very bad.

        What exactly is bad?
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 8 November 2021 12: 04
          +3
          Quote: Serg65
          What exactly is bad?

          Organization of production, if you do not understand what is written.
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          What do we know how to work with, the whole question is in the organization of production. Everything is very sad here.

          Quote: Serg65
          what Why ??????

          It's just the answer -
          Quote: Silvestr
          And what if you compare it with the 5th squadron? - 70-80 ships!

          Quote: Serg65
          You don't have time to find out, you are preparing a revolution!

          You have problems reading comprehension. I'm sorry.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 9 November 2021 07: 15
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Organization of production, if you do not understand what is written

            Are you a production organization specialist? And yes .. and besides this problem of yours, there are no other .. more important problems in this?
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            You have problems reading comprehension

            I don't have such problems, I understand perfectly well that you don't even think about what you are writing ...
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 9 November 2021 08: 41
              0
              Quote: Serg65
              Are you a production organization specialist?

              Well, what do you think. After all, I have worked all my life in conditions when such "specialists" as you were engaged in the organization of production.
              Quote: Serg65

              And yes .. and besides this problem of yours, there are no other .. more important problems in this?

              Of course not. After all, this is the most important thing, it is the economy of the state. Our life and defense capability depend on this. Oh, yes, who am I ...
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 9 November 2021 09: 03
                +1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Well, what do you think

                Okay, then I have a question for you, as a specialist ... how can you make a chocolate candy with only a final production line and only wrapping foil from components, but without chocolate and sugar?
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                After all, this is the most important thing, it is the economy of the state. Our life depends on it, as well as our defenses.

                The economy, of course, how can we go without it .. but I meant more modest problems than the country's economy .. by the way, I don’t see any problems with the economy.
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                Oh, yes, who am I?

                Well, how can I really, with my then raw little mind ... laughing
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 9 November 2021 10: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Serg65

                  Okay, then I have a question for you, as a specialist ... how can you make a chocolate candy with only a final production line and only wrapping foil from components, but without chocolate and sugar?

                  Stupid question. If you received an assignment, or if a private person decided to organize the production of sweets by themselves, then ... your question should have been resolved before ... the installation of the production line. And for one thing, the questions had to be resolved: where exactly to set up the factory (will you find the labor force there?), Suppliers of raw materials, who exactly, consumers of your products, at what price, what will be the cost, workers' salaries, access roads, energy supply. The list goes on. The main thing is that you must have unequivocal answers to all (!!!) listed and not listed questions before you start building a factory.
                  And if you managed to install a production line and purchase wrapping foil, and did not think ahead of time about chocolate and sugar, then you are not worth a price as a production organizer.
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 10 November 2021 08: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    The stupidest question

                    Okay, let's look at this silly question.
                    For example...
                    There was a strong, big, friendly family! Dad, mom and 15 sisters and brothers. The family had a common, good, strong household, but a misfortune happened, dad and mom died on the same day and in one hour. Brothers and sisters divided the inheritance, one got a production line and a wrapper for sweets, the second got chocolate, the third sugar, the fourth a sugar factory, the fifth field where sugar beets can be grown, the sixth got a transport to bring cocoa beans for chocolate, etc. Everything would be fine, but the brothers and sisters, sensing freedom, began to live as godfather to the king, matchmaker to the minister and quarreled with each other. How to be the first in this case? Probably to recreate the entire production chain at home and again? This takes time and money, and then the hired workers want to eat, a lot of debts ... what to do?
                    So what did you have to do, my friend? Explain to me, an old collective farmer ... recourse
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 10 November 2021 08: 31
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                      Quote: Serg65
                      Okay, let's look at this silly question.

                      There is nothing to disassemble. You just have to read carefully. With us, with the organization of production, it was bad even during the life of "dad and mom". Are you going to argue? And such a concept as - assault is familiar to you? And in consequence of what was it? As a result of the irregular delivery of materials and components. Then you yourself, yourself ...
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 10 November 2021 08: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        We, with the organization of production, it was bad even during the life of "dad and mom"

                        Not everywhere, but it was ... I agree
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Sturmovschina familiar to you?

                        I think even more than you.
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Then you yourself, yourself ...

                        Well, of course, they made the porridge, and now in the bushes?
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        When we learn to work like mattress toppers, then 70-80 ships in a squadron will begin to appear in our squadron.

                        The question was not stupid, but direct! In this situation, only the organization of production is to blame or something else ... well, for example, the absence of subcontractors, or, for example, the problem with the acquisition of new technologies ????
                      2. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 10 November 2021 08: 52
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                        Quote: Serg65
                        other ... well, for example, the lack of subcontractors, well, or, for example, the problem with the acquisition of new technologies ????

                        And they bought new technologies on Mars, or by themselves ...
                        We ourselves create difficulties for ourselves, and then courageously overcome them whining that everyone is hindering us. They don't fucking sell technology.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 8 November 2021 11: 53
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      Quote: Silvestr
      And what if you compare it with the 5th squadron? - 70-80 ships!

      You'd better compare the effect, not the number of pennants! Moreover, 15, this is only surface!
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 8 November 2021 12: 01
        +4
        Quote: Serg65
        Moreover, 15, these are only surface ones!

        2 MRK and 3 BDK
        other subsidiary

        https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1IU_iZcqvwZeaptabJq5wYDmXzJ0&ll=-20.42218901722617%2C102.14501084932857&z=1
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 9 November 2021 07: 47
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1IU_iZcqvwZeaptabJq5wYDmXzJ0&ll=-20.42218901722617%2C102.14501084932857&z=1

          what Did you create this map yourself? Or where did they get it? On your map, for example, the discussed MTSH and MB, the frigate Grigorovich, the MRK Vyshny Volochek, the DPEL Nizhny Novgorod, but somehow sideways there is the Caspian MRK Uglich ... request
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 9 November 2021 08: 00
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            Quote: Serg65
            Did you create this map yourself? Or where did they get it?

            this map was made by the guys from flot.com
            Quote: Serg65
            On your map, for example, the discussed MTSH and MB, frigate Grigorovich, MRK Vyshny Volochek, DPEL Nizhny Novgorod, but somehow sideways there is a Caspian MRK Uglich

            thanks to your remark, I realized that this is a map of the voyages of ships
            since "Uglich" went to Mediterranean in 2019
            and then, most likely, the map is incomplete
            so your criticism is more than appropriate
  10. Stepan S
    Stepan S 8 November 2021 10: 44
    +1
    A small squadron consisting of the minesweeper Vice-Admiral Zakharyin, the MB-304 tugboat and the P-191 Kadet anti-sabotage boat passed through the strait.

    At this point, I dropped a tight tear .. squadron, to tears.
  11. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 8 November 2021 10: 48
    +4
    Unfortunately, to put it mildly, a very weak detachment - it does not pull the squadron. Not the 5th OPEsk at all.
    1. mitroha
      mitroha 8 November 2021 11: 10
      +4
      I would understand if about "squadron"it would have been announced by officials, and we have a visual observation of" Istanbul users of social networks "and an article from the author. When the word"squadron", we, as readers, do not know hi
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 8 November 2021 11: 14
        -3
        Officials on this issue prefer to remain silent, at least we know something thanks to the Istanbul spotters.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 8 November 2021 11: 56
          -1
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Officials on this issue prefer to remain silent,

          And they are doing it right!
        2. isv000
          isv000 8 November 2021 22: 11
          -1
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Officials on this issue prefer to remain silent, at least we know something thanks to the Istanbul spotters.

          The less you know the better you sleep...
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 8 November 2021 11: 56
      0
      Quote: TermNachTER
      the squadron does not pull in any way. Not the 5th OPEsk at all.

      Because this is a detachment, not a squadron!
  12. Galleon
    Galleon 8 November 2021 11: 59
    +5
    Even minesweepers and boatmen are allowed to earn extra money in combat service. I can only welcome the campaign of this "squadron"! No irony or sarcasm, seriously.
  13. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 8 November 2021 13: 35
    0
    Good luck in completing your tasks.
  14. st2st
    st2st 8 November 2021 18: 33
    -1
    "Admiral Vinogradov", "Admiral Shaposhnikov" "Admiral Basisty", "Admiral Chabanenko," Admiral Kharlamov ", that's real power, not a rabble of small-walking Pasudin
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 12 November 2021 20: 22
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      Quote: st2st
      "Admiral Vinogradov", "Admiral Shaposhnikov" "Admiral Basisty", "Admiral Chabanenko," Admiral Kharlamov ", that's real power, not a rabble of small-walking Pasudin

      but "of them alive", only "Shaposhnikov", all the rest - "died" in fact ... !!!
  15. isv000
    isv000 8 November 2021 22: 09
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    It is known that a small squadron consisting of the minesweeper "Vice-Admiral Zakharyin", the tug MB-304 and the anti-sabotage boat P-191 "Kadet" passed through the strait.

    Well, at least not an armada ... recourse
    In the West, the appearance of Russian warships in the Mediterranean does not cause such a violent reaction as it did 5-6 years ago. Get used to ...

    There was a time in Mediterranean, a stronger squadron lived, on an ongoing basis ... soldier