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Western press: Without the United States, Russia is more attractive to Central Asia than China

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The Western press publishes material that is dedicated to the situation in Central Asia after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan. This is the story of reporters Lindsay Kennedy and Nathan Southern in Foreign Policy. The authors talk about their trip to the republics of Central Asia and their communication with local residents. Among them was an officer of the Uzbek army, whom Kennedy and Southern called "drunk on the Tashkent-Nukus train."


Western reporters write that the Uzbek officer was skeptical about the words that his fellow travelers were from Great Britain, but then “his face brightened when he heard the word“ Scotland ”.

He depicted playing the bagpipes. He spoke of a brave Scottish heart. In a mixture of English, Uzbek and facial expressions, he said that Scotland is for the United Kingdom, like Uzbekistan for Russia - only Uzbekistan today is independent from Russia, while respecting it.

In an article by British journalists for the American edition, it is reported that communication with the inhabitants of the republic of Central Asia "allows us to say that the region is again turning towards Moscow."

In the material of the Western press it is said that "without the United States, Russia is more attractive for Central Asia than China."

As one of the examples, the statement of the same Uzbek officer, made on the train, is cited. When it came to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the officer said that he respects the Russian leader.

From the material:

After talking with many Uzbeks, we realized that they shared that officer's enthusiasm for the country that once colonized them. They are loyal to Russia, loyal to Putin.

It is noted that Uzbekistan has recently been seriously drawing closer to the Russian Federation, like other countries of Central Asia. At the same time, Western reporters note that there is significantly less enthusiasm in the countries of the region in terms of deepening partnership with China. One of the reasons expressed in this regard is that local residents do not consider China to be ready and able to defend the Central Asian republics militarily in the event of, for example, terrorist activity. Moreover, China is not considered capable of extinguishing a conflict if one arises between its neighbors in Central Asia.

Western journalists note that the rapprochement of the Central Asian republics with Moscow has become more active after the weakening of American positions in the region. An example is the refusal of the Uzbek authorities to provide the United States with the opportunity to create a base on the territory of the republic. The situation is the same for the United States and Kyrgyzstan.
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Ministry of Defense of Uzbekistan
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  2. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 8 November 2021 07: 36
    +11

    "The Kazakhs have such a proverb: when the black Dzungar (read: Chinese) comes, the red-haired Russian will become your brother. The Chinese seem to have already come ..."
    Kasym-Zhomart Kemelevich Tokaev
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 8 November 2021 09: 02
      +2
      Again agent Bashirov threw the Americans for free whiskey?)
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 8 November 2021 10: 32
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      when the black dzungar comes (read: Chinese)

      Dzungars kind of like Mongols
      Why read "Chinese"?
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 8 November 2021 14: 28
        0
        Quote: Flood
        Dzungars kind of like Mongols
        Why read "Chinese"?

        And from the rest now, originally from the Dzungars - Kalmyks in the first place.
        1. dmmyak40
          dmmyak40 8 November 2021 20: 34
          +2
          Although the region was called Dzungaria, the present Kalmyks who lived there called themselves Oirats.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 8 November 2021 21: 08
            +2
            Scoundrels after all, these British reporters! "Colonized ..." You would have such a "colonization", which was carried out by the USSR in Central Asia! It's good that the inhabitants of Central Asia figured out and understood what the West is and what Russia is!
          2. Humpty
            Humpty 8 November 2021 21: 09
            0
            Quote: dmmyak40
            those who lived there called themselves Oirats.

            I was interested. I saw a couple of their cemeteries. Around the beginning of the 18th century.
            1. dmmyak40
              dmmyak40 8 November 2021 22: 40
              0
              My small homeland is the Kalmyk Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, Elista. At school age I read a lot - the epic Dzhangar, Kalmyk fairy tales.
  3. askort154
    askort154 8 November 2021 07: 39
    +8
    Today it is necessary to fear the penetration of China and the USA into Central Asia, but Turkey.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 8 November 2021 07: 51
      -2
      Quote: askort154
      Today it is necessary to fear the penetration of China and the USA into Central Asia, but Turkey.

      Oh, what Turkey! Kaka-a-ah Turkey! ..
      It penetrated everywhere.
      1. askort154
        askort154 8 November 2021 08: 22
        +2
        Sidor Amenpodestovich Oh, what Turkey! Kaka-a-ah Turkey! ..
        It penetrated everywhere.


        Open your eyes to: The penetration of Turkey into Syria, Libya, Azeibarjan (Transcaucasia and the Caspian Sea), Ukraine,
        sale of armored personnel carriers to Kazakhstan, UAVs of Kyrgyzstan. And Erdogan's repeated statements about the unification of the Turkic peoples of Central Asia. hi
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    2. knn54
      knn54 8 November 2021 09: 05
      +1
      The Turkish mafia has long infiltrated at least southern Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan. Moreover, in the Ferghana Valley (and in Kazakhstan as well) there are many Meskhetian Turks who were deported from Transcaucasia in 1944.
    3. evgen1221
      evgen1221 8 November 2021 10: 50
      -4
      Limpopo is what they are afraid of penetration, as well as nubiru and alpha centauri.
  4. Or me
    Or me 8 November 2021 07: 56
    +2
    At least they did something contrary to the Americans.
    An example is a refusal Uzbek authorities provide the United States with the opportunity to create a base on the territory of the republic.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 8 November 2021 08: 04
      +7
      After talking with many Uzbeks, we realized that they shared that officer's enthusiasm for the country that once colonized them. They are loyal to Russia, loyal to Putin.

      Colonized? !!! Well, the Americans clearly have a different meaning in this word. They are equal in themselves, but we are different! Therefore, they do not understand why Russia is more attractive than the United States.
      1. Or me
        Or me 8 November 2021 08: 09
        +3
        I agree with you. The mentality is different.
        Where the USA is - blood, war, death, millions of destitute.
        1. Snail N9
          Snail N9 8 November 2021 08: 43
          -7
          Well, yes, that is why such queues in the United States at immigration control at airports - from all over the world they rush there to be destitute, suffer and die a miserable death. And on the border with Mexico, the United States erects a wall so that unfortunate Americans do not escape to Mexico. It’s a pity that they probably don’t know about Russia, how happy and cloudless life is here, otherwise everything would have been brought down to us. yes
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 8 November 2021 08: 55
            +3
            Quote: Snail N9
            that is why such queues in the United States at immigration control in

            Oh, what is it? Some state turned into Iraq? And the people go there anyway?
            Migrants are pouring into Russia too.
          2. Zoomlion
            Zoomlion 8 November 2021 13: 04
            +1
            Can we read? Death is not in the United States, but where the United States pursues its "peace-loving" policy
        2. Spring fluff
          Spring fluff 8 November 2021 09: 09
          0
          Japan, Germany, South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, ...
      2. avg
        avg 8 November 2021 14: 07
        +1
        It's just that the Soviet generation is still alive, and I will always find a common language with such Uzbeks and Kyrgyz.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 8 November 2021 14: 30
          +1
          Quote: avg
          It's just that the Soviet generation is still alive, and I will always find a common language with such Uzbeks and Kyrgyz.

          If always, then what about? About food? You can find a common theme.
          About reproduction? Not always. Because family ties among Uzbeks and Kyrgyz often have no analogues among Russians. Due to the difference in views on acceptable forms of reproduction.
          About how to mark territory? I also doubt the possibility of finding a common language.
          If out of 6 elements of the stator 4 were brought rusty, you will not find a common language with them either.
          1. avg
            avg 8 November 2021 15: 07
            0
            Chat with people who lived in such an international city like Tashkent. Learn a lot for yourself.
            1. Humpty
              Humpty 8 November 2021 15: 38
              0
              Quote: avg
              Chat with people who lived in such an international city like Tashkent. Learn a lot for yourself.

              Do you think that I am not communicating? I regularly communicate with representatives of all known peoples of Sr. Az. except for the Turkmens. It doesn't matter who you are and where you are from. Whether it's a Bukharian Arab or a Kantian Dungan. Only if you are dealing with a civilized person. When you are dealing with a particular case of the Papuan, then full-fledged communication is impossible. Especially if something depends on the popuas in your affairs. Do you have a common language with those, for example, who are in the house of government in order to improve affairs in the state, make sacrifices or multiply with a sister?
  5. Hagalaz
    Hagalaz 8 November 2021 08: 12
    +3
    laughing Is the Uzbek officer tipsy? Maybe on the grass?
    Well, they forgot to mention that where else should they, Central Asians go to work, if not to Russia. There are enough of their own in China. smile
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 8 November 2021 08: 38
      +4
      That's it, how Uzbekistan and other Central Asia are turning more and more towards Russia, every day I watch in the subway when I go to and from work, and my daughter is on the playground, where there is just a huge number of "Central Asian" mothers, with own children. I won't say anything at all about Moskabad ... yes
      And they will not go to China, the Chinese nationalists are still those, there you do not leave the show-off, as here in Russia, there they do not suffer from tolerance and do not look back at the opinion of the "partners". And by the way, in China the labor market is controlled and protected by the state, there a foreigner can take a job only if a Chinese does not apply for it or if he has a profession that is super-necessary for the state or a Chinese company. This is not Russia for you, where "mine can do everything: graze sheep, build a house, drive a bus and be a little engineer" ...
  6. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 8 November 2021 08: 14
    +1
    Officials with their hegemony have already gotten everyone.
  7. Basarev
    Basarev 8 November 2021 08: 35
    +3
    But in fact, everything is much simpler: a freebie. Russia provides it, buys up unnecessary pathetic local goods and lets in even less needed Gaster.
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 8 November 2021 08: 37
    +2
    Western press: Without the United States, Russia is more attractive to Central Asia than China
    The question is, to whom were the striped whales "a spark in the night"? Local "bays", the national elite? So they, whoever they were, just fed them, kept them in abundance and did not interfere with plundering their countries ...
    With the Chinese, such a trick is unlikely to work, they are concrete, responsible guys and know who to be friends with, and who to plant immediately and for a long time / forever!
    With our ... it is difficult to immediately determine what and how, but the long-standing, well-established manner of working with local elites on agreements ends, almost always, BAD!
    1. Aag
      Aag 8 November 2021 09: 41
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Western press: Without the United States, Russia is more attractive to Central Asia than China
      The question is, to whom were the striped whales "a spark in the night"? Local "bays", the national elite? So they, whoever they were, just fed them, kept them in abundance and did not interfere with plundering their countries ...
      With the Chinese, such a trick is unlikely to work, they are concrete, responsible guys and know who to be friends with, and who to plant immediately and for a long time / forever!
      With our ... it is difficult to immediately determine what and how, but the long-standing, well-established manner of working with local elites on agreements ends, almost always, BAD!

      In general, I agree with your opinion. As one of the most possible reasons for the attitude of CA countries to the RF.
      But ... "... the well-established manner of working with local elites on agreements ..." - what other options are possible? hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 November 2021 10: 03
        +1
        Quote: AAG
        what other options are possible?

        The question is so difficult ... maybe precisely because breaking the old and creating a new one, it is NECESSARY to THINK!
        The question is, who can do this in our country?
        And how to make those who "sat down well on the old" to break the old, and build the new?
        I can still find a bunch of questions to which I have no answers ...
        I know that if you criticize, suggest breaking, you need to find / create an alternative ... i.e. you have to be smarter, more professional, more efficient !!!
        But, we, experts from the sofa, DO NOT SEE much, DO NOT KNOW, and so on, so on. Well, in the best case, we jump to the top, judging by the results.
        In general, to be honest, I DON'T KNOW. give out a bunch of tips, versions, etc. meaningless, because they may / probably turn out to be worse than those given by knowledgeable experts.
        1. Aag
          Aag 8 November 2021 10: 19
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: AAG
          what other options are possible?

          The question is so difficult ... maybe precisely because breaking the old and creating a new one, it is NECESSARY to THINK!
          The question is, who can do this in our country?
          And how to make those who "sat down well on the old" to break the old, and build the new?
          I can still find a bunch of questions to which I have no answers ...
          I know that if you criticize, suggest breaking, you need to find / create an alternative ... i.e. you have to be smarter, more professional, more efficient !!!
          But, we, experts from the sofa, DO NOT SEE much, DO NOT KNOW, and so on, so on. Well, in the best case, we jump to the top, judging by the results.
          In general, to be honest, I DON'T KNOW. give out a bunch of tips, versions, etc. meaningless, because they may / probably turn out to be worse than those given by knowledgeable experts.

          But I agree with this absolutely, and even literally ...
          ... IMHO (and not only, - people sitting higher are talking about this, they probably know more ... albeit with an unclear goal-setting): most of the problems in relations with the former Allies are just the result of insufficient, and (or ) wrong work ... As an example, - the ex-governor of the Irkutsk region. was sent to Belarus. In the opinion of most of the region's residents, he should have been sent "deeper into Siberia", and not to rest in the quietest ex-SSR. It was necessary to WORK there! ... The results are known ... (((.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 November 2021 11: 16
            +1
            Quote: AAG
            with unclear goal setting):

            But this is just in vain ... what secret secrets can there be ??? The business there has been dragging on for a long time and everyone who is interested, specifically, knows everything anyway.
            But we are in the dark, we cannot understand what is being done, what they want to achieve ... another reason to gloat from the other side, and we have NOTHING to answer!
            Is this right? We are not trying for ourselves personally ... we, many, are offended for the state.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2021 09: 35
    +1
    to the country that once colonized them
    It would be nice for reporters to get acquainted with the history of the USSR, but this is very difficult to understand. Even if you write that the Uzbeks are not bad about Russia, then you just need to add a fly in the ointment about the colonization of Central Asia.
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 November 2021 09: 49
    +1
    The Russian Federation offers the ruling regimes stability and an international roof ... ... this is more or less worked out and the West saw the border of rigidity on the example of Syria ... The second part of this, which is not finalized - what does the Russian Federation have from this?
    - Political influence in parliament
    - Teaches the elite and their children
    - Keeps the finances of the elite
    - has access to resources
    There are more questions than answers on these points, even for relatively loyal countries like Belarus ...
  11. Real Pilot
    Real Pilot 8 November 2021 10: 14
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    "The Kazakhs have such a proverb: when the black Dzungar (read: Chinese) comes, the red-haired Russian will become your brother. The Chinese seem to have already come ..."
    Kasym-Zhomart Kemelevich Tokaev

    Naturally!
    In Russia he is from a fraternal republic, with the preservation of the right to be himself ... Well, with some subtleties.
    And in China he is Chinese, but of the fifth grade. And only his grandchildren will be able to grow to the second grade.
  12. Humpty
    Humpty 8 November 2021 11: 54
    0
    Quote: Hagalaz
    Is the Uzbek officer tipsy? Maybe on the grass?

    And that Uzbeks are forbidden to drink?
    So far, no one seems to have been stoned for it. They can be stoned for adultery, but only a woman. And that is not everywhere, there are places where it is considered medieval savagery.
  13. Umalta
    Umalta 8 November 2021 17: 53
    0
    I doubt very much that the United States is somehow attractive to the countries of Central Asia, given that there are both Uzbeks and Tajiks in Afghanistan, and the former Soviet republics at the level of the people are aware of what the American military and the mean policy of the United States are.
  14. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 10 November 2021 12: 32
    -1
    "After talking with many Uzbeks, we realized that they share the officer's enthusiasm for the country that once colonized them. They are loyal to Russia, loyal to Putin."
    Has Russia once colonized Uzbekistan? Interesting news. It seems that Russia created it.