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This is not computer shooters, or the war in Afghanistan as it is.

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Jeffrey Ingersoll - a former marine, and now a military journalist, documentary filmmaker, writer and photographer.


After two business trips to Iraq, as a correspondent for the Marine Corps, in April 2012, I went to Afghanistan, but already as a civil war correspondent. The next история talks about an improvised combat exit, during which one Marine was injured and more than 20 Taliban killed.

I arrived at the height of the events, immediately after the attack on the headquarters of the Afghan police. About this attack in the camp said so:

"Police chief Wali Kok is now officially cooler than Chuck Norris."

This was said after the Marines learned that the Musakelah District Police Chief would survive a gangster attack. During the attack, he was holed from top to bottom and lost one eye.

A few days earlier, in broad daylight, men in police uniform on three motorcycles drove up and parked in front of the district police headquarters. The men dismounted, turned to the guards and opened fire on them, killing them instantly.

The attackers, without losing time, stepped over the dead bodies, entered the door and went straight to the office of the chief.

“They were well oriented in the building, everything was explored in advance, that's for sure,” said Captain Ben Middindorf, commander of the 2 battalion of the 5 battalion of the marines. “And they had a police uniform on, everything except the shoes. I had sneakers on my feet, not boots.”

The first attacker broke into Kok's office and fired a line from his AK, hitting a police officer several times. Koka fell to the floor, took out a pistol, and began to shoot back, the shooting went point blank. The first attacker fell, and when the second attacker was wounded in the doorway, he blew up his shahid belt.

As a result of the explosion, they were blown to pieces, and three metal balls, which were filled with a belt, hit the policeman in the eye.

"This guy was a key figure for maintaining stability in the district, and we understood that in his absence, we had to do something to regain control," said Midindorf.

The idea was to take a company of marines, about 200 people, secretly move forward at night to a meeting point, rest there, and then move in the direction of a key supply hub deep in the territory tightly controlled by the Taliban. This hub, the operational base for enemy actions in the area, was a small village called Levar-jel-Jay.

This is what the marines call "A company in contact [with the enemy]."

“Forgive my French, but I couldn’t believe it; and when I finally gave the order, I said - get ready for a frontal attack on Levar-Gel-Jay. ”

(Author's note: At the request of their fellow Marine Corps, this is the story for Colton Carlson, a young American who was male enough to put on hemostasis before himself, before the powder smoke cleared. It's you, Colton!)

In the near post. When planning and preparation have been completed, the marines eat, smoke, joke, and slumber putting cards under them.

This is not computer shooters, or the war in Afghanistan as it is.


The security is on display, the rest of the marines are resting. One fight is over for today, another will start later. Accurately by the hour, when the sun starts to lean towards the horizon ...



Crac! Crac! The sound of shots from the Dragunov sniper rifle, it shoots an Afghan soldier. Suddenly, they open fire on us from almost all directions.



Marines throw their combat "rattles" onto the roof and climb there themselves.



Coordinating shooting with the Afghan military, the marines fire in three different directions. Shooting takes place at a certain rhythm and pace, some marines call it "singing."



Three or four machine-gun positions, one or two machine guns shoot, the rest rest. And so, in turn, then everything repeats. Shooting becomes like a song.



In the end, the shooting subsides, but the marines are waiting until late at night. In 3: 00 am, we move to a different position.



Early in the morning, under cover of night, the company advances to another position. To the east of us, behind this ridge, is the village of Levar-Jel-Jay, where the Taliban is the master.



During the day it is hot to 120 degrees (Fahrenheit, it's around 500 C), but the nights are cold, up to about 40 degrees (about 40 C). Marines in sweat-soaked clothes after an 7-kilometer-long night patrol crawl into sleeping bags, trying to hide from the cold and all sorts of creatures.



Someone just fell asleep where he sat down, putting on all that was clothing. Someone angry and sleepy gets up and lights up, then there may not be time for a cigarette.



Knowing that in front of a hot and long day, the marines are trying to get rid of all that is possible. Anything that is not absolutely necessary will travel in the back of the car.



"First Strike Rations" (suhpay) contain the entire daily ration, as well as a bag of gum "Stay Alert", each plate is equal to one cup of coffee. That morning I decided to eat the whole package, six plates, and by the time we arrived in Levar-jel-Jay, my tongue was swollen to the size of a big yellow sponge for washing the floor.



Walking along the ridge ridge in the morning, we encountered a herd of livestock. This is not a zoo: marines are not recommended to come into contact with any animals in order to avoid insect bites and infection by bacteria.



Marines are following each other, this is done in order to avoid a rush on a homemade mine. I carefully repeat the steps of the Marine in front of me.



We go to the village, units move in a staggered manner. Everyone needs to know where other units are on the battlefield. In the distance, sporadic shooting is already heard.



Senior Sergeant Justin Rittenberger scans a small group of buildings to our left. The unit to our right came under fire and we are moving to a position where we can support them with machine gun fire.



The 240B 7,62 machine gun is powerful enough to flash Humvee armor. Corporal Cedric Hay indicates to Corporal Kyle Lamayra targets in the location of the enemy fortifications.



When Corporal Lamair opens fire on buildings on the left side of the compound, the Marines begin to move to the right ...



... fix the C4 mine on the wall, set a timer and go around the corner of the building.



Marines make their passages inward. Going through an existing gate or door is a sure way to run into a homemade mine.



The smoke had not yet been dispersed, and the marines were already inside. They use blast and smoke to confuse the enemy.



Having cleared the compound from the enemy, we continued our movement towards Levar-Jelle-Jay, indiscriminate fire was firing at us all along the way.



Poppy field. Incredibly beautiful flowers, from which they get a poisonous "paste", as they call it. But beauty is the last thing I think about now. Rittenberger points to the place where possible homemade mine.



This is me jumping over the place indicated by Rittenberger, whatever it is. Pay attention to the armored personnel carrier on the crest of the ridge, this other unit has come to support our left flank, as we head straight into the narrow passage between us and two hundred Taliban behind the hill.



"Have you ever been in real combat?" shouts Rhett. "Probably, not in the way you called this" I pay the same coin twice to the gentleman of the Purple Heart.



We line up on top of a hill and start shooting down the village. When the bullets begin to fly, we see that the last groups of villagers are fleeing from the battlefield.



Marines determine the position of enemy shooters. Directly in front of us, groups of enemy fighters occupy positions that are located at a distance from 300 to 1000 meters from us. The Taliban are firing from afar, but their “spotters” are much closer to us, they send fire to their comrades by radio.



"This guy in blue ManJams, shoot, shoot, kill him!" ('Manjams' refers to clothes from a single piece of cloth, like most Afghans living in rural areas wear). The Talib tried to escape, but the blue color is clearly visible in the local landscape and Lamayr put it down.



After a few seconds or minutes, I heard the sound of a flick, a few feet from me, and 2-th Lt. Mike Rhodes, the guy lying near me, turns and says: "I'm injured. I'm injured." The guys began to act instantly to pull Mike from the line of fire.



Surprisingly, Rhodes can still move. Later he told me: “It seemed to me that I received a blow with a sledgehammer.”



Now this is just hell. The bullets fly around us, I hear them whistling over my head and slam into the ground in front of me. I must admit, I am lying on my back and pressing into the ground as much as possible.

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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 September 2012 08: 06 New
    13
    The next advertising tour of the American journalist, who did not talk about antics in relation to the civilian population of these marines, probably does not find it necessary to talk about such things or do not pay for it.
    1. Fox
      Fox 18 September 2012 09: 34 New
      +4
      Well, why .. the moment where they STEEL FIRING ON THE VILLAGE, or shooting at an Afghan, because he is dressed like an Afghan ...
      1. puskarinkis
        puskarinkis 18 September 2012 21: 31 New
        +5
        The logic is iron! If a person is dressed in blue, then he is an Afghan. And if he resists our coming, then he is the Taliban. And if he is a Taliban, then death to him!
    2. Vanek
      Vanek 19 September 2012 05: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The next advertising tour of an American journalist


      Never! We read:

      - The following story tells about improvised combat exitduring which one marine was wounded and more than 20 Taliban were killed.



      This is anything but an advertising tour.
      1. bachast
        bachast 19 September 2012 06: 47 New
        +4
        Improvising in Afghanistan is certainly noticed correctly ... Most likely, these are translation flaws. Maybe it was meant, hastily, without preparation (improvise), although this story generally resembles records, excerpts from a personal diary ... I won’t be surprised at anything))
  2. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 18 September 2012 08: 19 New
    +2
    Yes, it’s not sweet Yankees in Afghanistan, and it pleases to admit
    1. saruman
      saruman 18 September 2012 08: 50 New
      19
      It must be admitted that in spite of everything, the Yankees know how to fight. They are not afraid to defend the interests of their empire of "good" in the most abandoned nooks and crannies of the planet, as the British once did.
      Sooner or later, the Americans will leave Afghanistan. And this problem will get to us. So it’s too early to get sick ...
      1. borisst64
        borisst64 25 September 2012 12: 15 New
        0
        I read the memoirs of a fighter of the Ukrainian battalion in Afghanistan. Hooked in his story how competently fighting Americans. While he criticizes his people and seems to write without bragging, it seems to be true.
  3. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 18 September 2012 08: 25 New
    24
    Walking along the ridge ridge in the morning, we encountered a herd of livestock. This is not a zoo: marines are not recommended to come into contact with any animals in order to avoid insect bites and infection by bacteria.Even local cows attack glorious marines! Poor things where they got!
    And from the spiders, the Taliban created special forces!
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 18 September 2012 17: 23 New
      +9
      Yes, probably not, they don’t attack, senior officers are afraid of bestiality, because from the warriors from the country where the cult of Sodom and Gomora has been raised to the state level, you can expect anything.
      1. puskarinkis
        puskarinkis 18 September 2012 21: 34 New
        +6
        Indeed, if the act of love takes place, the owner of the sheep can demand a kalym for the "bride"! )))
    2. Ortrega
      Ortrega 19 September 2012 21: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      This is not a zoo: Marines are not recommended to come into contact with any animals.

      I mean, sexual contact lol So that you don’t waste rubber, but when they’ll bring it back request
      And at home in the zoo it’s probably allowed to make contact without being protected laughing
  4. gor
    gor 18 September 2012 08: 37 New
    -36 qualifying.
    and you don’t want to add anything about antics in Chechnya. this is war and this is its face. and not everyone has a standard psyche. 4 times the loss of NATO for the same period of time. Not tired of writing b .... red urry patriotic?)))))))))))
    1. bachast
      bachast 18 September 2012 08: 55 New
      21
      what the losses are also 4 times higher than NATO losses over the same period of time

      If we speak without irony, while realistically analyzing, military actions and the position of American troops in Afghanistan is not a "walk along Broadway", in comparison with what fell to the lot of Soviet soldiers
      1. carbofo
        carbofo 18 September 2012 14: 03 New
        +5
        bachast,
        Well, yes, to sit surrounded by a hail of RPG missiles, not to set up a shooting range in an open field.
    2. Fox
      Fox 18 September 2012 09: 38 New
      13
      and can it be more detailed? in Afghanistan, during the invasion amers ordered 25000 bags for corpses ... after 2 years another 15000 ... why?
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 18 September 2012 10: 32 New
        10
        Quote: gor
        what the losses are said about 4 times

        Yes, it’s enough to write nonsense, it has long been proved by the amers themselves, the losses are almost the same, if not more today. All official amer loss calculations are a bluff.
        1. datur
          datur 18 September 2012 13: 55 New
          +5
          SerghWell, yes, they have friendly fire, belay shadow circumstances repeat then the vile Taliban !!!! yes and now Mujahideen cows to the heap !!!!! belay wassat laughing
          1. Denzel13
            Denzel13 18 September 2012 14: 24 New
            +4
            They will soon announce that they have received "reliable" information that Russia has sent herders to Afghanistan as advisers to foster anti-American sentiments in the cows. wassat
          2. carbofo
            carbofo 19 September 2012 08: 16 New
            +5
            datur,
            By the way, they always have very high losses for non-combat reasons!?
            Why would it, apparently from Vietnam used to lie.
      2. Ortrega
        Ortrega 19 September 2012 21: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Fox

        and can it be more detailed? in Afghanistan, during the invasion amers ordered 25000 bags for corpses ... after 2 years another 15000 ... why?

        Probably gerych export recourse
    3. Larus
      Larus 18 September 2012 09: 51 New
      +9
      Yes, you will never know the REAL loss of amers in a particular conflict. We have learned from the example of Vietnam and are now hiding them in every way. So you don’t have to drive such good ones in line.
      1. Stormtrooper
        Stormtrooper 18 September 2012 19: 53 New
        +1
        If you happen to be in Washington, you won’t pass by the Washington Mall - there are attractions. 1. Monument to Washington (180 meters high stone crap - constantly shown in the cinema) and 2. Memorial to the dead in Vietnam. The names of all the dead and missing Americans — more than 50 — are stamped on the memorial plate. You can check.
    4. sichevik
      sichevik 18 September 2012 10: 31 New
      12
      When ours fought in Afghanistan, literally everyone helped the dushmans. And amers, and Pakistan, and the Saudis. They helped with weapons, money, and instructors in Afghanistan was immeasurable ... Spirits even had stingers and blockpipes. I wonder where? Who prepared Osama bin Laden with his elite squad?
      And now the Taliban are fighting with what remains of that war ... I would look at the statistics of NATO losses in Afghanistan, if the Taliban were now helped by at least Russia and China. And it’s no secret to anyone that amers really underestimate their losses.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 18 September 2012 14: 10 New
        -6
        Taliban helps Iran and Pakistan at least
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 18 September 2012 16: 29 New
          +7
          Iran, Pakistan ... This is not so much in comparison with the number of countries that helped the "irreconcilable mujahideen", dear Pimply... So this argument is rather weak ...
        2. Stormtrooper
          Stormtrooper 18 September 2012 19: 46 New
          +4
          These countries have very limited options for assistance. This is not at all that friendly and all-round support of the "spirits" against the Soviet Army by the world community.
      2. vpm
        vpm 18 September 2012 17: 02 New
        +7
        The losses of the army are difficult to underestimate, but the losses of military contractors in Afghanistan and Iraq are not considered centrally by a significant number. Their losses are just certainly many times greater than the direct military. The fact that up to 90% of PMC personnel are Afghans themselves simply masks the fact of losses - if an Afghan from PMC dies, this is unlikely to happen in a significant number of cases on the news or according to some statistics. Moreover, with the advent of Obama, the focus began to shift precisely towards a greater involvement of PMCs in ensuring security and the number of PMCs increased almost threefold:
        In the period roughly tracking with President Obama's first nine months in office, the number of Defense Department armed security contractors soared 236% - from 3,184 to 10,712 between December 2008 to September 2009. The number roughly doubled between June and September 2009 alone.

        http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/number_of_private_security_con

        tractors_in_afghanis.php

        According to the same data, up to 30% of the military contingent in Afghanistan is made up of PMCs, so it is simply pointless to compare the combat losses of the Soviet and American armies - in the USSR there was simply no concept of private military contractors for well-known reasons.
        And of course, no one canceled the fact that the Cyclone operation was coordinated by the CIA at a cost of at least $ 3 billion (and, according to some estimates, up to $ 20), according to which the mujahideen were armed and trained by CIA instructors - all this has long been an open secret.
        1. Stormtrooper
          Stormtrooper 18 September 2012 19: 44 New
          +7
          Additionally, we can add that at the initial stage of the NATO war in Afghanistan, the Northern Alliance with Soviet weapons did all the dirty work. After that, the Taliban quieted down a little, and from all the holes they began to blow about the complete victory of NATO and the stupid scoops, stupidly shedding their blood. But then the alliances ended and the luminous dzhdydayam had to bother with the full program.
          1. vpm
            vpm 18 September 2012 21: 13 New
            +1
            For Amers, it must be said that systematic work preceding a direct military invasion takes no less, and maybe more significant role, than the military operation itself. Despite the fact that the media always pays, thanks to the spectacular effect, the military campaign the greatest attention - it is this systematic work that remains in the background. The composition of this certainly includes the weakening of the most capable formations within the country, the use of contradictions between different factions with the aim of their mutual weakening, etc. As a result, when the army comes into conflict, it deals not with one organized force, but with disparate and weakened mutual hostilities groups. In order not to be unsubstantiated (for those who are a little kooky about English), the destabilization guide for the American special forces is a rather informative document, having looked at it, it seems that the operation in Syria and Libya seems to have been deducted from them:
            http://www.al-akhbar.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/Special_Forces_Report.pdf
    5. Che
      Che 18 September 2012 10: 58 New
      +4
      gor,
      Solid work of the SS. I wish them peace in the ancient land of Afghanistan.
    6. romb
      romb 18 September 2012 11: 48 New
      17
      In fact, almost half the world fought against the USSR in Afghanistan. More than forty countries almost officially supplied weapons and military technology to the Mujahideen. One of my brothers died in this country, his regiments said that when they took fortified objects of dushmans, they were most often filled with boxes of the latest weapons at that time. On the BV, near each large object, there were "ballot boxes" in which anyone could put money into a fund to support the Islamist movement in Afghanistan.
      Now imagine what will happen to the US and NATO forces if Russia, China and the same Iran begin to stuff the latest weapons of Afghan rebels. These comrades will wash themselves with their blood there so much that this company will become at least the second Vietnam for them.
      1. vic22lud
        vic22lud 19 September 2012 08: 55 New
        -9
        Let them do this weapon first. You might think they have it.
    7. datur
      datur 18 September 2012 13: 50 New
      12
      gor, a young man with a hazy look — if your beloved Americans were fighting with such intensity as ours there at one time, I think that their losses would be no less, or even more !!!
    8. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 18 September 2012 16: 25 New
      +9
      Before reminding about the "antics in Chechnya", you would dear gor, remembered about Tiraspol and Bender. And they happened earlier than the events of the First Chechen ... Even more so, the Moldavian authorities were the first in the entire post-Soviet space to solve territorial problems by force ... Then Georgia noted this. First in Abkhazia, and then in South Ossetia. And it was still 1992 ...
      So learn a recent story, gor. And then look stupid ... And by the way, you minus. Not for evil, but exclusively for prevention ...
      1. gor
        gor 18 September 2012 17: 11 New
        -20 qualifying.
        and what tricks were in Transnistria? start yelling about parkans. so you would have taught geography and found out where to be. and the conflict started because some people armed from the arsenals of the 14th army went into the villages of Kochiery and the catchers and the chairmen of these villages asked help. and Moldovan police were sent there who, upon arrival in these villages, were immediately fired upon. Or do you think that the legitimate authorities have no right to protect their citizens? A gangster worldview, however, you have an enlightened ours. And you don’t need Americans so strictly to judge. you have a little stigma in the cannon themselves. and I’d look at you as if you would say everything you wrote about these soldiers who are doing duty to their country in their faces. I’m sure most sat down ..... ..so there are cardboard warriors here
        1. OSTAP BENDER
          OSTAP BENDER 18 September 2012 17: 19 New
          17
          gor! Write how "defensively" the Moldovan OPON managed to rape and shoot the graduates at the graduation party in Bendery! More details please, or should I do it? How brave Moldovan fighters raped disabled girls! Or is it a NATO tactic? Which you are promoting here!
        2. Astartes
          Astartes 18 September 2012 17: 44 New
          14
          relax Romanian getters, everyone knows for a long time. who actually provoked the war. Howl not howl, scoundrels like you went to this war to kill those who speak another language simply by their rotten essence.
        3. Denzel13
          Denzel13 18 September 2012 20: 38 New
          12
          gor, just don't talk about the "unfortunate, fired upon" Moldovan policemen (by the way, there was no police yet) I was there (98 Svir airborne division stationed in Bolgrad and Chisinau - remember this one?) Accordingly, I saw "the legitimate government and protection of citizens ", especially if a citizen of Gagauz by nationality. Or can you remember how, on a completely "legal" basis, a crowd of nationalist-minded .... (let's say - individuals) wanted to arrange reprisals against the families of servicemen in a military town? The servicemen were scared - they could shoot, but the families were not armed. We had a good time to "cool down" the quickest. I remember how those whom you call - "Moldovan police", in the amount of 3 LAZs without empty seats, met on the road UAZ with two officers + 2 conscripts, so you will not believe - for 10-12 minutes they tried to "protect their citizens" from terrible paratroopers who were driving on the road to Chisinau. UAZ is of course a terrible threat as a piece of military equipment. Well, the BC was enough for those very minutes (and the space allowed), and then there was a complete bummer at the "defenders" - the battalion approached the BMD. We remembered the Russian language and began to speak so actively.
          1. gor
            gor 19 September 2012 09: 58 New
            -9
            b red schizophrenics.
            I turn to the Astartes. look under the flag of which country you left the koment and this is direct confirmation that the getter (prostitute) is you. here you are Russian-speaking. how do you live and grew up in Moldova if you killed the poor at every turn. dog you .
            and I’ll tell Denzel if this is what you say was true, where is the Hague tribunal? why didn’t anyone demand to identify and punish the guilty? and there is no evidence. This is a deliberate lie to justify the actions of the separatists. Or maybe Transnistrians are a separate people. they were killed, and on the right bank of the Dniester at that time schools with the Russian language of instruction were functioning in Ukrainian villages. By the way, the Moldovan police are the legacy of the Soviet police. And both Russians and Ukrainians and people of other nationalities worked there. We have never been hired by ethnicity. as I understand it, you are engaged in propaganda here on the site and draw horror films.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 19 September 2012 11: 21 New
              +5
              Gore, where were you at that time? answer the question. You have so much control over the topic, and why then pulled into the states?
            2. Che
              Che 19 September 2012 15: 36 New
              +5
              gor,
              How much disgust is in you, you are simply amazed. As amers managed to brainwash, or was always such a scoundrel, to drive such a blizzard.
            3. Ortrega
              Ortrega 19 September 2012 21: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: gor
              and I’ll tell Denzel if it’s what you say was true, then where is the Hague Tribunal?

              Quote: gor
              why no one asked to identify and punish the perpetrators? and there is no evidence. This is a deliberate lie

              Which Hague tribunal, there are some freaks bought there. 2000 people have sued Sahak, and what request
            4. MI-AS-72
              MI-AS-72 19 September 2012 22: 18 New
              0
              gor "But I’ll tell Denzel if this is what you say was true, then where is the Hague tribunal? why didn’t anyone demand to identify and punish those responsible?" Well, you give murzilka:
              The activities of the Hague Tribunal are limited by time and geography. According to the statute, the territorial jurisdiction of the tribunal extends to the territory of the former Yugoslavia (except Slovenia), and the completion of the last process means the abolition of the court itself. Your time will come, the judgment will be terrible. “According to your deeds it will be rewarded”
              1. gor
                gor 20 September 2012 07: 40 New
                -4
                Well, as expected, not a single intelligible answer)))))))) and you oligophrenic probably forgot that I live here on the right bank of the Dniester, that is, in Moldova. And in '92 I studied at a school with the Russian language of teaching and through I graduated from this very school for 2 years, and this school still exists today and I live in a Russian-speaking village and far from Tiraspol. Since no one touched me and my fellow villagers like in other similar villages, did they start to kill Transnistrians on ethnic grounds? or maybe completely different Russians lived there? or maybe completely different Ukrainians or other Moldovans in this same Transnistria?
                go and be healed gentlemen cardboard generals. can you still talk about justice, are you mired in lies?
    9. Eugene
      Eugene 18 September 2012 19: 50 New
      +5
      Do not confuse. What the Soviet troops did and what the Amers did! It was well said in one film: Schools, hospitals were built under the Union ...
    10. Stormtrooper
      Stormtrooper 18 September 2012 20: 01 New
      +3
      And who will tell about the losses of the Northern Alliance, which at the beginning of the NATO war in Afghanistan did clear the clearing properly? Also interested in the loss of private militias.

      I am already silent about the fact that the Taliban do not receive the equivalent international military and political assistance that was received by the gangs who fought with the Soviet Army. From Pakistan - camps, bases, warehouses, a constant influx of mercenaries and the help of two intelligence centers - Pakistani and American.
      1. Che
        Che 19 September 2012 15: 38 New
        0
        Stormtrooper,
        Yes, at least to supply the Taliban with intelligence, kirdyk would come to Amers.
    11. mar.tira
      mar.tira 19 September 2012 07: 03 New
      +3
      With the only difference that we went to Afghanistan as friends and builders, and in the first months there were almost no losses, and people helped us. Only after the intervention of the United States and Pakistan, as now in Syria, a war began against us, and we went mercenaries. But the Americans climbed there already as masters and masters of life on planet Earth, with one single purpose. To kill and to establish their dominance in Asia. If we help the Taliban, as the Americans once helped against us. That's when would consider the loss of "allies". I do not agree with your statements. Since they are not correct.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 19 September 2012 15: 17 New
        -3
        Well, if up to 2x million corpses - like friends ...
  5. GG2012
    GG2012 18 September 2012 08: 48 New
    +9
    Commentary on the photo:
    ."Eventually the shooting dies down, but the Marines bZdyat until late at night. At 3:00 in the morning, we move to another position ..."

    ..."It’s hot in the afternoon to 120 degrees (Fahrenheit, it's about 500 C)"... What is this ... Hollywood ??? !!!

    ..."Marines are not recommended to come into contact with any animals to avoid insect bites and bacteria infection."... In case of contact, animals can become infected with Democracy.

    In the penultimate photo, the "gallant Marine on the right" screeches from the battlefield with a bare ass. Apparently Gay briefing was carried out before the Afghans began shelling.
    1. Fox
      Fox 18 September 2012 09: 40 New
      0
      read the last 0 as a degree ...
    2. datur
      datur 18 September 2012 13: 57 New
      +1
      GG2012,
      . "It's hot in the daytime up to 120 degrees (Fahrenheit, that's about 500 C)" ... What is this ... Hollywood? ---- 120 Fahrenheit-about-45 Celsius !!!! yes
      1. Ortrega
        Ortrega 19 September 2012 21: 31 New
        0
        Quote: datur
        120 Fahrenheit - approximately -45 Celsius !!!!

        Normal Siberian summer, we’re already used to it good
    3. carbofo
      carbofo 18 September 2012 14: 07 New
      +1
      GG2012,
      Farengate is 5/9 of Celsius. 0 Fahrenheit is approximately -18s
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 18 September 2012 14: 11 New
      +4
      Mixed up the ratio. 120 Fahrenheit - 40 degrees of heat approximately. 40 Fahrenheit - about 0
    5. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 18 September 2012 16: 34 New
      +4
      A small correction is 120 degrees Fahrenheit, which is 48,88 (almost 49) degrees Celsius. So there is no Hollywood here. Everything is exactly ... Already believe me, the old meteorologist ...
    6. Ortrega
      Ortrega 19 September 2012 21: 29 New
      -1
      Quote: GG2012
      During the day it's hot up to 120 degrees (Fahrenheit, it's about 500 C) "... What the hell is this ... Hollywood ??? !!!

      They mixed up with the operation on Mars lol
  6. Leisure
    Leisure 18 September 2012 08: 53 New
    0
    It is hot in the daytime up to 120 degrees (Fahrenheit, this is about 500 C), but the nights are cold, up to about 40 degrees (about 40 C). Is it like that? Really HOT!!!!! am it is 49C during the day and 4C at night, respectively.
  7. JonnyT
    JonnyT 18 September 2012 09: 03 New
    +5
    Reporting about how glorious American heroes shot the Taliban peaceful opposition!)))


    But seriously, something is not very similar to the truth ......... of the hostile indigenous people - only cows!
    1. datur
      datur 18 September 2012 14: 00 New
      +4
      JonnyT, the secret Taliban’s fighting cows, they see a machine gun in front of them, belay and behind the battle gavnomet !!!! wassat laughing wassat In short, just some kind of horror !!!!!
  8. Rashid
    Rashid 18 September 2012 09: 18 New
    +6
    What cruel bosses are not allowed to come into contact with cattle. Well, at least they allow each other.
  9. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 18 September 2012 09: 24 New
    +2
    let them suffer, parasites .....

    about the temperature ... yes, I was also surprised ....
  10. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 18 September 2012 09: 54 New
    +3
    I was surprised that the machine gunners had dust in the dust ...
    And when you copy the degrees, they turned into large zeros ...
  11. vorobey
    vorobey 18 September 2012 10: 07 New
    +7
    A very positive ending to the article. I like it.

    Now this is just hell. The bullets fly around us, I hear them whistling over my head and slam into the ground in front of me. I must admit, I am lying on my back and pressing into the ground as much as possible.
    1. bachast
      bachast 18 September 2012 10: 16 New
      +3
      Is this the moment when a cow died in a neighbor? wink
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 18 September 2012 10: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: bachast
        Is this the moment when a cow died in a neighbor?


        Not when the horse smoked in the stable.

        bachast, I understood the promise. Banter would not be appropriate if not for one but.

        1. discovered a poppy field and ......

        - passed and did not notice?
        - reported to the management and organized security?
        - called the aircraft and made the field even smoother? Options ...


        We line up on top of a hill and start shooting down the village. When the bullets begin to fly, we see that the last groups of villagers are fleeing from the battlefield.

        so with whom did they fight?

        It is hot in the daytime up to 120 degrees (Fahrenheit, this is about 500 C), but the nights are cold, up to about 40 degrees (about 40 C). Marines in sweat-soaked clothing, after a 7 km night patrolcrawl into sleeping bags, trying to hide from the cold and all kinds of creatures

        rave?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 September 2012 10: 43 New
          +8
          Quote: vorobey
          - reported to the management and organized security?

          Hi Sasha, took control and organized the harvest.
          Quote: vorobey

          We line up on a hilltop and start firing down the village

          Business from the villagers was recaptured and then branded by the Taliban.
          Quote: vorobey
          sweat-soaked clothes, after an 7-kilometer night patrol, crawl into sleeping bags, trying to hide from the cold and all kinds of creatures

          Well, why is nonsense, if any creature bites him, he will not receive insurance. That's about the cold pleased, they heard about Siberia no.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 18 September 2012 10: 50 New
            +5
            Greetings to Sanya. You still won’t believe it, but you never sweated at night. And the temperature differences there are true e. I judge in Central Asia.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 September 2012 10: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: vorobey
              And the temperature differences there are true e.

              In Mongolia also, in the afternoon 50, only the sun went down and put on a jacket. And you can sweat if your belongings get pulled on and the ammo bag, so afraid to freeze sweating like elephants.
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 18 September 2012 11: 05 New
                +2
                On Tuesday, September 18, in Kabul, near the international airport, a suicide bomber sent a mined car to a minibus in which there were foreign citizens. Islamists said they avenged in this way for creating a film in the United States that defames the prophet Muhammad.
                - Nasrallah: a film defaming the Prophet is more dangerous than setting fire to Al-Aqsa Mosque
                - Media: "The Innocence of Islam" was filmed by a porno director
                According to CNN, eight foreigners and their driver died, ten more were injured. According to AFP, 10 people were killed in the explosion: nine foreigners and an Afghan driver.
                The names and nationalities of the victims have not yet been reported.
                Soon after the attack, Reuters reported that Hezb-e-Islami had claimed responsibility for the attack. The terrorists said in a statement that the explosion was revenge for the film "Innocence of Islam", which ridiculed the Prophet Muhammad.
                A Hezb-i-Islami spokesman said the explosion was carried out by a woman wearing a "shahid's belt".
                Initiated by an Egyptian Copt named Nakula Basela Nakula, an Egyptian Copt based in the United States, The Innocence of Islam has sparked a wave of anti-American and anti-Israel rallies around the world, although only a 14-minute promotional video was posted online. On the night of September 12, Libya was killed by an angry mob, the US ambassador and three diplomatic officers, riots were in Tunisia, Lebanon, India, Sudan, Israel, Yemen and other countries where Muslims live.
            2. bachast
              bachast 18 September 2012 13: 58 New
              +2
              By the way, I don’t believe it was seen not far away. What do you think is happening in this photo? It's an early morning in winter. After a short walk, you have to change your beluga whale to keep warm, not to catch a cold and sleep as well.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 18 September 2012 16: 34 New
                +4
                Quote: bachast
                By the way I will not believe

                Quote: bachast
                After a short walk


                Isaac agrees, and now the logical circuit is closed.

                7 km patrol at night. Are you on guard or in a reconnaissance patrol, well, finally, did you run a lot on patrol? And dragged all the luggage?
                Quote: vorobey
                but I never sweated at night

                And once again I confirm my words. Although I can agree that they went not far.
                1. bachast
                  bachast 18 September 2012 16: 48 New
                  0
                  and now the logic circuit is closed
                  I smell a box with a double bottom)) where is the catch, where is the ambush laughing
                  Are you on guard or in a reconnaissance patrol, well, finally, did you run a lot on patrol?
                  running very rarely
                  And dragged all the luggage?
                  it’s not entirely clear what all means ... depending on the way out, but at least 25 kg hung behind. In this case, the Marines should not have saved on the BC
                  Regarding seven kilometers by the way. In the mountains, usually they do not determine kilometers by hours, days. 7 km you can oh how long it takes to climb
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 19 September 2012 09: 04 New
                    +4
                    Isaac, let's stop this skirmish. we are both right and wrong.
                    then they load everything into the truck that goes with them, it turns out in the patrol at night (and most likely it’s BO) sweating in a circle from something.

                    Quote: bachast
                    7 km you can oh how long to go up

                    You're right. with respect.
                    1. bachast
                      bachast 19 September 2012 09: 14 New
                      +2
                      What a skirmish? A normal conversation is not about beer, is it a skirmish ...? Yes, and if I'm wrong, you could tell me where ..
                      No, well, if you don’t want to talk to me, I won’t get in and keep talking anymore. No question
                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 19 September 2012 09: 36 New
                        +2
                        I didn’t mean it. It's nice to talk and argue with you. you also did not sit out as a clerk. Sorry if incorrectly formulated.
                        I meant our argument about the 7km patrol in the guards at night.
                      2. bachast
                        bachast 19 September 2012 18: 49 New
                        +1
                        Yes, I didn’t argue. By the way, I just saw a photo (they don’t upload it to the end), thanks to Pupyrchaty’s comment.
          2. datur
            datur 18 September 2012 14: 05 New
            +1
            vorobey, not well in DARBAZ and it was warm at night! and we arrived there in the afternoon was + 55c- here was a madhouse so madhouse! really-spat on the asphalt, turned away, turned-already dry !!! belay wink yes
        2. puskarinkis
          puskarinkis 18 September 2012 21: 50 New
          0
          And, I realized where the extra zero appeared in the 50 - degree heat! It was he who jumped from the heaviest 70-meter patrol, so it turned out 500 and 7!
  • Retx
    Retx 18 September 2012 10: 23 New
    12
    C'mon guys, these are ordinary soldiers. They are given orders and they carry them out.
    Many do not return home, people in families have sorrow! Enough of ordinary people to equate with damn false politicians.
    They themselves recognize the heroism of the Soviet children in that war and do not understand why the CIA sent weapons from which they are shot ...
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 19 September 2012 01: 01 New
      +1
      It would be necessary to remind these marines more often by whose weapons they are being killed.
  • Director
    Director 18 September 2012 10: 37 New
    17
    mind walk. and these brave guys go far from their bases, and gor --- Soviet troops are 4 times more losses, and Soviet troops controlled 90 percent. area of ​​Afghanistan and 10 percent. territory of Pakistan, ignorant treacherous.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 18 September 2012 10: 57 New
      +9
      Quote: director
      Ignorant treacherous.


      separate plus. This guy has two contracts at the ILC. US citizenship and established beliefs. Only the amers themselves for some reason apparently didn’t recognize their own once they dumped them home in Moldova.
    2. Perch_xnumx
      Perch_xnumx 18 September 2012 12: 11 New
      +1
      And the Mujahideen were abundantly supplied with weapons by the USA. If the Taliban would have mortars, SVD, mines, needles, etc. in the right amount, the Marines would slurp on the first number.
    3. datur
      datur 18 September 2012 14: 08 New
      +2
      Director,
      10 percent Pakistan’s territory, of course you’ve had enough, but on a visit to the packs you naturally looked yes those were glad to stupid !!!! laughing
      1. master_rem
        master_rem 18 September 2012 14: 32 New
        0
        Did the specialists go?
    4. master_rem
      master_rem 18 September 2012 14: 31 New
      0
      on many photos the silhouettes of the Humvee ... Everything that is not absolutely necessary will go in the back of the car ....
  • Isaev
    Isaev 18 September 2012 10: 55 New
    +2
    Exactly, a soldier is a soldier. If he does not kill civilians.
  • hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 18 September 2012 11: 10 New
    +1
    Of course, a soldier is a soldier, but is it considered a civilian child who shoots you with a machine gun? In such wars it is very difficult to find civilians.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 18 September 2012 11: 18 New
      +5
      Yeah, Afghan children, in turn, are firing a gun. If a child picked up a weapon, then believe him had good reasons for it.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 18 September 2012 11: 28 New
        +2
        vorobey,
        Yeah, Afghan children, in turn, are firing a gun. If a child picked up a weapon, then believe him had good reasons for it.

        This is a whole generation of Afghan children who grew up with a gun in their hands, and not only.
        http://geo1000.blogspot.com/2010/04/fwd-1649-06-04-2010.html
        The photo is dated 1984, maybe now he heads one of the wings of a movement to resist the US military contingent.
  • ivachum
    ivachum 18 September 2012 11: 20 New
    +1
    It's a matter of ethics .... Life and death. Remember how the soldiers of the Red Army treated the "soldiers" from the Hitler Youth ....
    And look on this site how the NATO servicemen treated the Iraqi underage "soldiers of Allah" in Iraq, according to their own recollections. No one pulled them by the tongue (hand on the computer keyboard).
  • Denzel13
    Denzel13 18 September 2012 11: 21 New
    +3
    The usual ad for the "cool" US Marines. Note that only Afghans are killed in the report - first the "good" Afghan police + bad Taliban, then only the Taliban (well, the Marines have started to work), but since it is impossible without loss at all (even mines were found in a poppy field, although for what they were there needed?), then one Marine was wounded and then he moves himself. "Happy end" is a solid pancake. I do not think that the censorship would have missed a report where the Americans are being packed in bags after the fight.
    1. axpert2008
      axpert2008 18 September 2012 15: 03 New
      0
      Not really, Alexander. Here are some of the real warfare:
      1. FIMUK
        FIMUK 18 September 2012 20: 14 New
        -2
        lay out such a picture is not very good .... in Chechnya under the same muttering fell Russian.
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 20 September 2012 08: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: FIMUK
          lay out such a picture is not very good .... in Chechnya under the same muttering fell Russian.

          The correctness of "laying out" is in all sorts of TV show programs. But we remember that the Russians were brought down in South Ossetia in August 2008, not at all "cut off" and without "mumbling", but with the help of "beeches", including - do not know who helped?
      2. wolverine7778
        wolverine7778 19 September 2012 21: 29 New
        0
        THIS Juba is a sniper of the Iraqi partisan movement. This guy is just a professional, his stocks carry the same style - he shoots only once (usually very accurately) and quickly leaves his position. Somewhere, he clicked 154 soldiers, 6 officers, 4 snipers, and injured 54 coalition troops what
  • master_rem
    master_rem 18 September 2012 11: 28 New
    +5
    Now this is just hell. The bullets fly around us, I hear them whistling over my head and slam into the ground in front of me. I must admit, I am lying on my back and pressing into the ground as much as possible.
    Digging in? No, have not heard..
    1. Denzel13
      Denzel13 18 September 2012 11: 46 New
      +7
      I may have been inattentive, but the MSL did not see them in their equipment, and it is not a lordly business to dig in, they are the "elite" of the US army - the Taliban, and so they knocked down bundles.
      And "pitch hell" ensues as soon as they are shot back. This is a "dishonest" war, when they can also get caught.
  • FIMUK
    FIMUK 18 September 2012 11: 46 New
    -7
    While you are comparing losses and gloating, inciting nonsense, the Americans earn combat experience, break in technology, tactics, military equipment to which cheers to patriots and the army are still far to say how ....... to peace in the Caucasus *)).
    Look at their gear? and pay attention they’ve been fighting in it for more than a year, and not only at exhibitions they show ......
    PS
    It only remains that fucked ... forums.
    In 2008, the army showed a lot of unresolved problems, although it has been fighting since the 1992 of the year .... so how is it fighting? correctly in the best traditions of the Russian gouging, your hill is our rest while you are running.
    1. Denzel13
      Denzel13 18 September 2012 12: 40 New
      +6
      You don’t just need to tell (at least to the mass of people present here) about our (by "our" I mean the Armed Forces of the USSR and the Russian Federation later, and not NATO troops close to your heart) army and how we are fighting. Anything has happened and does happen, but it's not for you to judge. You haven't been there, so you don't have to talk about those things that you have no idea about.

      PS And by the way, I know people here who have every right as you put it - "..... on the forums", since they have been doing their job for a long time, including in Afghanistan.
      1. FIMUK
        FIMUK 18 September 2012 12: 48 New
        -7
        you see you have a clue about how NATO is fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq.
        S
        At my school in 1996, instead of a board of honor, a two-row photo was fun with a black ribbon obliquely ..... so I don’t need to tell how it happens — I saw how it was and how it happens ....
        1. Denzel13
          Denzel13 18 September 2012 12: 59 New
          +7
          You looked at the photos with ribbons and saw everything? What to talk about further with you is just fantastic knowledge (although what I mean, 1996, when I was still at school).
          And by the way, you're right, I really have a clue how NATO fought and is fighting.
          1. FIMUK
            FIMUK 18 September 2012 13: 04 New
            -11 qualifying.
            this invaluable experience left you on the forum, but didn’t put it on the wall with a ribbon ....
            1. Denzel13
              Denzel13 18 September 2012 14: 21 New
              +7
              To make you understand - invaluable (as you put it) experience, and it really is, one of the military schools gave me. Here I will disappoint you - not NATO, but the Soviet Union, as well as subsequent service in the Armed Forces of the USSR and the Russian Federation. Knowledge of the weapons and tactics of the armies of the alleged enemy is naturally necessary.

              PS Just read it - for understanding. I respect this person very much.
              http://desantura.ru/veteran/517/
        2. datur
          datur 18 September 2012 14: 15 New
          +4
          FIMUK,
          At my school in 1996, instead of a board of honor, a two-row photo was fun with a black ribbon obliquely- and who did Ukraine fight with that year that year ???? belay
          1. Denzel13
            Denzel13 18 September 2012 14: 38 New
            +4
            By the way, yes! Something did not pay attention to the flag. Where was the school located?
          2. Stormtrooper
            Stormtrooper 18 September 2012 19: 38 New
            +2
            It is he who is clumsily trying to lie that the Kravavy Riga of the Communists put a platoon of Svidomo lads from his school in Afghanistan. Some kind of unique school. A forge of cannon fodder frames for Afghanistan.
        3. OSTAP BENDER
          OSTAP BENDER 18 September 2012 17: 22 New
          +7
          Fimuk! Is your school not in western Ukraine by chance? And you probably looked at the portraits of Bandera, it’s still fashionable for you, not to mention those years !!!!!
        4. Stormtrooper
          Stormtrooper 18 September 2012 19: 33 New
          +4
          Pure nonsense. From one school - and so many corpses? City and school number - in the studio. Easy to check. In each of the republics of the BSSSR there are memory books with data on all the dead.

          So do not tell how it does not happen.

          Better tell me why these tough guys walk through the fields of the opium poppy and won't even lift a finger to destroy it? So that the "spirits" are not offended and do not slap on the priest?
      2. vic22lud
        vic22lud 19 September 2012 08: 58 New
        -7
        Those who have been doing their job qualitatively for a lot of time, including in Afghanistan, do not sit at this lousy forum - but are busy with business ..
        1. bachast
          bachast 19 September 2012 09: 16 New
          0
          I would cut out the word "lousy", but otherwise there is some truth
        2. Denzel13
          Denzel13 19 September 2012 10: 03 New
          +1
          vic22lud
          no need to tell others what to do and they will not indicate where you should go.
          1) You a priori, have no idea who is doing what and was doing from those present here on the site, and therefore do not judge what you have no idea about;
          2) if by your expression "the site is lousy", what are you doing here?
          This is your subjective assessment, tell her the site administration, explain to them why you evaluate their work. For example, I have my own opinion on this matter, which does not at all coincide with yours, and if it becomes necessary to express my dissatisfaction, I will turn to the site administration, and not through posts.
        3. Che
          Che 19 September 2012 15: 46 New
          0
          vic22lud,
          Here you are sitting here - the truth is cool.
    2. Suvorov000
      Suvorov000 18 September 2012 13: 23 New
      +3
      Yes, they have been fighting for many years now, and they still do not step on the rake, they just jump on them, and what did this equipment of theirs give them if they themselves loaded it into a truck and started it on their own, and there is no simple small sapper shovel that even dig in and, in general, as our foreman used to say: "The main thing is to collect more cartridges, you will have more cartridges, and you will have a crib and a bed and women." And about the hills, there is one such question, but how else can you fight in the highlands if not so?
      1. berd1480
        berd1480 23 September 2012 22: 46 New
        0
        What kind of sapper shovel are you talking about, did you personally dig in the mountains? ATPs from the stones were laid out for the time of halt and overnight stays, yes. The amers were outfitted cool, you can see right away, everything is thought out to the smallest detail, envy only. they sewed from tarpaulin, okay? They bought shit boots, sneakers, although they also got bad shit in the mountains on the trail, we got spiritual sleeping bags, our relatives, I don’t want to go anywhere, I don’t want to list any further. I do not presume to judge, but the fact that the guys are prepared is yes.
    3. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 18 September 2012 15: 54 New
      +9
      which on hu. combat experience? 200 marines hung with all sorts of stray a la iPhone rummage around the poppy field and try to shoot peasants with ak47 and then manage to find somewhere a branch of hell is this your war? ordinary punitive expedition in the spirit of Sonderkommands ss with such experience a direct path to the international tribunal
  • Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 18 September 2012 12: 15 New
    10
    Quote: FIMUK
    Look at their gear? and pay attention they’ve been fighting in it for more than a year, and not only at exhibitions they show ......

    I agree, it’s right, they take the equipment from them. Everything is thought out. But there is no MSL!
    Quote: FIMUK
    In 2008, the army showed a lot of unresolved problems, although it has been fighting since the 1992 of the year .... so how is it fighting? correctly in the best traditions of the Russian gouging, your hill is our rest while you are running.

    And here is a plus! Yudashchkin, or whoever is, came up with a new form, of which only the summer version is normal, and the horror is horrible, you give padded jackets and cotton pants with felt boots in the winter! Super-duper is the advertised equipment of a soldier-infantryman, and of others, which is produced only in experimental versions for a year.
    And about the fight, well, here you FIMUK wrong! We still need to take the hills, here we can give a head start to the Americans and a big one! (sorry it is impossible to blame a separate statement)
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 18 September 2012 12: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      (sorry it is impossible to blame a separate statement)


      I agree, especially since the Ukrainian Armed Forces have long absorbed all the advanced that is in the world. And the equipment is the same, and their defense is puffing for the Armed Forces and not for export, and their soldiers are tighter than ours. What remains now is only
      Quote: FIMUK
      fucked ... on the forums.
  • hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 18 September 2012 14: 06 New
    +4
    Quote: FIMUK
    so I don’t need to tell how it happens, I saw how it was and how it happens ....

    Obviously, during the Afghan war, you went to school and you could not see anything except the photos on the wall of the school. You obviously had no direct relation to those events. I assure you that it is at least incorrect to compare that war with what the American troops are doing now. These are events of various scales. Of course, any military action whatsoever brings no experience, but the point is that the events horrifying the American correspondent (it is clear from the text that he "fought" in Iraq) are a completely ordinary event for the army in the field.
  • koosss
    koosss 18 September 2012 15: 31 New
    +4
    the feeling in the last photo as if as a result of all the Marines put ..
    and how this whole operation ended is not said
    1. biglow
      biglow 18 September 2012 20: 38 New
      0
      koosss,
      and how this whole operation ended, the helicopter flew in and everyone went to the base.
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 18 September 2012 17: 42 New
    +2
    We fought with local farmers, and now they are yelling, and we are protecting the whole world from terrorists.
  • Forward
    Forward 18 September 2012 18: 22 New
    +3
    What is not sweet to the amers in Afghanistan? .. And it was not fucking to climb where they did not call! laughing
  • Saniaxnumx
    Saniaxnumx 18 September 2012 19: 12 New
    +1
    It would be better if they wrote about our fighters.
    1. Denzel13
      Denzel13 18 September 2012 20: 46 New
      +2
      There was a link above in one of my posts - read - very informative and very true. I wanted to post an article here, but they rejected a large one, a pity of course.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 18 September 2012 20: 08 New
    +2
    Nothing men for the 2014 year, NATO will withdraw its troops from Afghanistan and confrontation with the Taliban and support for the Kabul regime will already be your headache. Otherwise, the Talban who came to power in Afghanistan will demolish the regimes in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, like a mountain village. You need to strengthen the border in the south and military grouping in this direction. 2014 year is coming soon.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 18 September 2012 22: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Nothing men, by 2014, NATO will withdraw its troops from Afghanistan

      It’s easy to give, and I believe it with difficulty, as if the contingent had not been increased in the course of recent events, and in the Middle East the situation is getting along so that your head can get sick.
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 18 September 2012 22: 21 New
        0
        The international coalition forces in Afghanistan, operating under the auspices of NATO, announced the closure of joint military operations with Afghan forces after a series of attacks in which Afghan soldiers used weapons against their Western allies.
        .................................................. ..................

        This year, 51 NATO soldiers have been killed by Afghan soldiers and police. One in five British soldiers killed in Afghanistan was killed by "friendly" Afghan forces, the command notes.


        http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2012/09/120918_afghan_nato_cuts_joint
        _ops.shtml
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 18 September 2012 22: 39 New
          +1
          DIMSThat's it. What kind of government there is in Kabul, Not that they will leave, they will run away from there. In Afghanistan, NATO will no longer achieve more than now. The rest is a headache for the Afghans and surrounding countries. As for me, NATO has stayed so long in Afghanistan. Do not be so stubborn Bush, it was necessary to help the Northern Alliance with aviation and special forces. There was nothing to drag the army there. Unless the NATO generals wanted to run some part of the troops. It was up to the second Iraqi.
    2. Che
      Che 19 September 2012 15: 52 New
      0
      Aaron Zawi,
      The Taliban is not up to it; their amers bombed the Stone Age. How much time will it take them to raise the economy a little bit.
  • kush62
    kush62 19 September 2012 11: 16 New
    +1
    Quote Fimuk Look at their outfit? and pay attention they’ve been fighting in it for more than a year, and not only at exhibitions they show ......

    Many years ago, I constantly cursed with father-in-law (he is from western Ukraine).
    He told me how the SS men came to the village, what their uniform was beautiful and solid. Very much like the thinking of Fimuc.
  • Isaev
    Isaev 19 September 2012 12: 39 New
    0
    I want to remind some "humanists": if you do not follow the order in the war, you can be shot on the spot without trial or investigation. What is in the Russian, what is in the P and D's army. And it is right. The army is not a place for debate.

    Since when is "p and o s" a forbidden word in kamenty? - I can’t write together: 0
  • USNik
    USNik 19 September 2012 13: 29 New
    +1
    Several points are not clear: judging by the pictures, the soldier has neither tents nor karemat rugs, and this is not a one-day exit. Lack of armor and helicopter support, and if the Taliban had to dig a couple of pickup trucks with zsu-23 from the Taliban? So, judging by the article, the brave supporters of democracy fought not with Taliban soldiers, but with ordinary residents-gopot, because chain walks in open areas in advance suggest the absence of mortars from the enemy ... And how it all ended is unclear ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 19 September 2012 15: 19 New
      +1
      For starters, if you pay attention - they are accompanied by technology. On which there are tents, and sleeping bags, and much more. Secondly - how do you know that there is no support in the air?
      1. USNik
        USNik 20 September 2012 12: 19 New
        0
        Do you distinguish between the word technology and armor? I was referring to the common name for military armored vehicles like Bradley or Stryker, and not a Hammer armored car. Sleeping Tents? Are you a telepath? Or just guessed? And why then are the soldiers cold and they sleep stupidly in a bag on the ground? They drove the poor out of temper? But you are a telepath, I made a conclusion based on information from an article in which there is no NISLOVA about the turntables, share the astral channel of information?
  • pinachet
    pinachet 19 September 2012 18: 25 New
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    and in the third photo accidentally not a dude with a guy standing?
    1. bachast
      bachast 19 September 2012 18: 28 New
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      not by chance
      Crack! Crack! The sound of shots from a Dragunov sniper rifle, this is shooting an Afghan soldier

      ))
  • 123321
    123321 19 September 2012 21: 38 New
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    Note! Almost all small arms with optical sights. And judging by the size - with the night channel.
  • MI-AS-72
    MI-AS-72 19 September 2012 22: 26 New
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    Gentlemen, comrades, if you knew what their supply was, how they cherish their people, and compared it with how it was with us, believe it would have burst into tears. Yes, we had more courage and heroism, only there is one word what for. we did a lot for the Afghans building and healing, taught, and the Americans do everything for themselves and no one is obscured by the thought of which ammunition can be used which is not, well, and much more, for example, how your actions in the world tell them to spit on everyone, and sooner or later everyone will spit on the Americans, the world is all the same fair and evil cannot exist forever, otherwise life on earth simply would not exist. .
  • Grenz
    Grenz 19 September 2012 22: 39 New
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    I am writing at the end of comets. I write more for myself. What I read here is all sad.
    Dear forum users! Well, if you heard something - check. If you don’t know for sure - specify. If you have not been there, do not write in the affirmative.
    In no case can not be compared this and that war for Afghanistan.. Very wrong. The goals were different, and, hence, the means of warfare are not compatible.
    We didn’t have such heavy weapons there (the turntable and mortar are not B-52 or flying batteries). Hence the loss. Although military people (not a schoolchild of 1996) know that the United States has developed a special technology for accounting for losses (since Vietnam), which underestimates them significantly, not only because of prestige, but not to pay insurance. Well, what to tell those who are not in the subject.
    And on the report - even more dull impression. Who posted it to the forum.
    If only in order to once again mock at the warriors from Hollywood. There is no experience here, there can be no comparison - then why?

    Follow the photo - how many paths have been covered (4-5 kilometers!) And the enthusiasm is full of diapers. At one time, such walks were not even recorded in combat documents.
    Hot - cold. Horror! Cows on the horizon. Nonsense! And this cowboy tried to drink water from the pit from under the hoof of these same cows, chewing a tablet of pantacid in his mouth for fidelity.
    1. MI-AS-72
      MI-AS-72 20 September 2012 06: 24 New
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      We WERE TU-22 there, M-3M flew from Engels, threw 9 tons, we had "GARAD" "goodies" there. Our losses are a war against us, the coalition, including the USA, this is some cowardice of our government, it was possible to punish Pakistan, Iran and China a couple of times, then there were opportunities, it was necessary to create a "security zone" around the DRA, about 20 kilometers away, where "occasionally" our bombs and shells could fly, once we got into a fight, it is necessary to be tough but the end, hence the losses, As for the rest, I will say that we did not have a lot of things there, (water, sleeping bags, normal food) and this is a direct crime that power, but then we had a sense of duty to ourselves before the men who are next to you. There were no heroes, there were normal people who received a command to take off, and knowing that they were waiting for you there, afraid and strong until the very moment when you did not get into the cockpit, and then suddenly the spirit of your ancestors wakes up in you who probably fought more than anyone on this earth, and you know that you will do everything so that everyone who is next to you or who is waiting for your help survived. And then the stress-reliever and everything on a new level there were no heroes there was just a Russian (Ukrainian, Belarusian or Kazakh, it doesn't matter where everyone spoke the same language) soldiers.
      1. Grenz
        Grenz 20 September 2012 20: 44 New
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        MI-AS-72
        but we had a sense of duty before ourselves to the men who are next to you. There were no heroes, there were normal people,
        Thank you!
        This is what distinguishes the two entrances to Afghanistan! This is precisely what does not allow us to draw analogies between them! Big +!
        There is a collection of Afghan songs "Time has chosen us" - the same "Cuckoo".
        And what does the gloomy American sings when his Afghan "allies" once again let him in the bloody yushka.
  • sergant89
    sergant89 20 September 2012 07: 25 New
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    ] MI-AS-72 [there were no heroes there was just Russian (Ukrainian, Belarusian or Kazakh, it doesn’t matter where everyone spoke the same language) soldier.] Big plus for you
  • samuraisinto
    samuraisinto 20 September 2012 07: 33 New
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    snipers are complete nonsense, in the morgue they reanimate flesh-shas 8 billion on the planet is a video that would be scared of frightened nations it’s easier to manage as before the enemies of the people