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In the Russian Federation and Ukraine, they comment on the words of the People's Deputy of the Rada that "Russia will go to the end in the event of a Ukrainian offensive in Donbass"

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In Russia and Ukraine, they react to the statement of the deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, Oleg Voloshin. The People's Deputy in the Verkhovna Rada represents the OPZZ faction ("Opposition Platform - For Life").


He shared his opinion on the situation in Donbass on the air of the radio station "Moscow says".
Voloshin commented on the new phase of the escalation of the conflict in Donbass, stating that "today there is self-destruction, which is inherent in modern Ukraine."

According to Voloshin, the illogical actions of Kiev are already turning into negative not only for the residents of Donbass, but for the citizens of Ukraine itself. The People's Deputy of the Verkhovna Rada noted that if Kiev attempts a large-scale offensive in the Donbass, then "Russia, in all likelihood, will not leave this unanswered."

Voloshin said that "Russia has already made it clear to the West that in the event of a Ukrainian offensive in Donbas, it will go all the way at high stakes." The actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "can cause a response from Russia," according to the Ukrainian parliamentarian.

Experts in Russia note that these conversations have been going on for a long time and that Ukraine itself is "probing" its own capabilities and the capabilities of the republics. One of these facts of "verification" was the use of the Bayraktar drone. Kiev has clearly decided to observe what the response from the LPNR and Russia will be after the air strike.

The Ukrainian command is checking the LDNR for a possible response. In the complete absence of such provocations will continue. And the business may not be limited to only one Turkish UAV.

Commenting on Voloshin's statement in Kiev, they say that "the people's deputy is pouring water on the Moscow mill." In other words, Kiev is again trying to make those who, in principle, say quite reasonable things, are guilty.
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  1. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 8 November 2021 06: 09
    +10
    ***
    “I hope that things will not come to such provocations, but if this happens,
    I think that this will have very grave consequences for the Ukrainian statehood as a whole ", -
    - V.V. Putin.
    ***
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 8 November 2021 06: 13
      +3
      ***
      "The tradition is fresh, but it's hard to believe!"
      ***
      1. novel66
        novel66 8 November 2021 07: 59
        -1
        knocked on the floor, not regretting ... hello hi
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 8 November 2021 11: 58
          +2
          Roma hi They didn't understand you ... belay
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 8 November 2021 20: 28
            +1
            I'm not sure until the end that it will be exactly as Voloshin said, but I really hope that it will be so!
            Greetings, namesake! hi
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 9 November 2021 01: 07
              +1
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              Really hope

              Namesake hi The abscess will burst!
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 8 November 2021 09: 28
        -4
        Agree. Voloshin is another Ukrainian Nostradamus. Now, to the predictions, Ukraine will freeze, fall apart, become bankrupt, and Russia will go to the end.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 8 November 2021 06: 46
      -15
      “I hope that things will not come to such provocations, but if this happens,
      I think that this will have very grave consequences for the Ukrainian statehood as a whole ", -
      - V.V. Putin.

      - There will be no pension reform ... Vladimir Putin
      - We will not change the constitution V. Putin
      - The rise in gasoline prices needs to be curbed ... Putin, we will build 20 mln jobs ... and about the protection of Russians in Donbas ..
      in general, there is a large list of what he said ..
      And then it depends on how he treats his words .. he will not take a lot of lies.
      1. Civil
        Civil 8 November 2021 07: 06
        -18
        Quote: Svarog
        “I hope that things will not come to such provocations, but if this happens,
        I think that this will have very grave consequences for the Ukrainian statehood as a whole ", -
        - V.V. Putin.

        - There will be no pension reform ... Vladimir Putin
        - We will not change the constitution V. Putin
        - The rise in gasoline prices needs to be curbed ... Putin, we will build 20 mln jobs ... and about the protection of Russians in Donbas ..
        in general, there is a large list of what he said ..
        And then it depends on how he treats his words .. he will not take a lot of lies.


        A new war for what? What are the goals? Again, especially zealous and ideological burn in meat grinders?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 8 November 2021 07: 49
          +22
          Quote: Civil
          A new war for what?

          To prevent American bases from standing on the border with Russia
          1. Civil
            Civil 8 November 2021 07: 51
            -18
            Quote: Egoza
            To prevent American bases from standing on the border with Russia

            They have no bases on our borders now? Lack of delivery options? Why then don't we attack the Baltics and Finland, where NATO is already there and closer to Moscow and St. Petersburg?
            1. Cron
              Cron 8 November 2021 08: 00
              +6
              Quote: Civil
              A new war for what? What are the goals? Again, especially zealous and ideological burn in meat grinders?

              It is not possible to understand the idea of ​​this comrade.
              They have no bases on our borders now? Lack of delivery options? Why then don't we attack the Baltics and Finland, where NATO is already there and closer to Moscow and St. Petersburg?

              Are you writing this seriously?
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 8 November 2021 08: 16
                +8
                Quote: Cron
                Are you writing this seriously?

                This is his job. Denyuzhku earns early in the morning. Everyone hopes to talk about the topic, or even find "allies".
                1. Civil
                  Civil 8 November 2021 08: 51
                  -12
                  Quote: Egoza
                  Quote: Cron
                  Are you writing this seriously?

                  This is his job. Denyuzhku earns early in the morning. Everyone hopes to talk about the topic, or even find "allies".

                  As always, propaganda has no answers to questions.
              2. Thompson
                Thompson 9 November 2021 09: 14
                +2
                "Civilian" he is. What else to expect from him.
          2. jaroff
            jaroff 13 November 2021 12: 26
            0
            We already have a border with the United States through the Bering Strait. How much closer?
      2. Cormoran
        Cormoran 8 November 2021 07: 07
        +1
        Maybe so. Only now I do not observe anything sharp to check.
      3. Dikson
        Dikson 8 November 2021 07: 25
        +11
        ..this will have dire consequences not only for the Ukrainian statehood, but also for the Russian state ... for a fratricidal war will destroy not one, but both conflicting states .. Do not forget about the large number of voluntary "helpers" who will gladly throw firewood into this fire, No one has forgotten the foreign mercenaries at the Donetsk airport? You all know how the conflicts between brothers and close relatives end .. And there will be those who want to kick and tear off pieces from both countries .. Here Turkey will pull up, and Romania and Poland, and on the other hand, Japan and China .. And they will rub their hands across the ocean .. There was a mistake from the beginning - It was necessary not to take Yanukovych out, but to send troops to Kiev and preserve the constitutional order and order in the union state ... It would be better to separate Western Ukraine altogether, and let them do it themselves. they lived there as they wanted under the fascist banners .. But why talk about it now? The grandiose failure of the foreign policy of our Foreign Ministry .. Who worked there as an ambassador lately, the former head of the Ministry of Health, muddy and talentless Zurabov, who, commanding Russian medicine, had no idea how to button a medical gown ?! (I saw such a picture ..)
        1. 210ox
          210ox 8 November 2021 07: 49
          +2
          Westerners are slowly leading to this. I still think that this sluggish current schizophrenia will last for a very long time.
          1. Edvid
            Edvid 9 November 2021 06: 06
            0
            For each demarche of Kiev (and not only) again from the Kremlin another Chinese one thousand one hundred and second warning, protest, resolute protest, indignation, indignation ... Is that all? - Action, tantamount to a fig in your pocket. In relation to Kiev, Russia itself, for its part, does not fulfill the functions of the Guarantor, to which it signed.
            The guarantor is obliged to enforce, to enforce the terms of compliance with the Agreement, and not to shake the air with warnings. They opened artillery fire on the Donetsk or Luhansk regions, immediately destroy the firing battery. Bombing Kiev civilian targets - immediately shoot down an aerial criminal, and at the same time gouge the place of his start. This is to start with real coercion.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 9 November 2021 06: 14
              +2
              My opinion is that the current situation is beneficial to everyone, except for those people living in the LPR.
      4. Cron
        Cron 8 November 2021 07: 55
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        - There will be no pension reform ... Vladimir Putin
        - We will not change the constitution V. Putin
        - The rise in gasoline prices needs to be curbed ... Putin, we will build 20 mln jobs ... and about the protection of Russians in Donbas ..
        in general, there is a large list of what he said ..
        And then it depends on how he treats his words .. he will not take a lot of lies.

        They put it on the fan again.
      5. vervolk
        vervolk 8 November 2021 10: 39
        +1
        is the source in your head? do you come up with quotes? Here you can see at once you did not live in Russia once you think that you can ascribe any nonsense and someone will lead to it.
      6. AC130 Gunship
        AC130 Gunship 8 November 2021 17: 42
        -1
        Svarog,
        I don’t understand why you were given cons? After all, you wrote the purest truth, which is in the public domain on the Internet?
        Or is it necessary here, as in another case: either - good, or - nothing?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 8 November 2021 18: 00
          -3
          Quote: AC130 Ganship
          Or is it necessary here, as in another case: either - good, or - nothing?

          Exactly ... it's like a dead man))
    3. valentine light
      valentine light 8 November 2021 09: 47
      -1
      We have from "all irons" they say that the current regime in Ukraine is a coup d'etat and suddenly now they are invited to think about Ukrainian "statehood" :)


      The trade turnover between Russia and Ukraine only from January to March 2021 has already amounted to $ 2 (almost $ 403 billion), an increase of 079% ... here is the money for Bayraktars and even body armor for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Then they will no longer "love" us, if someone is waiting for this, but the attacks will be completely if unanswered, at least leave them economically.
    4. Pastor
      Pastor 8 November 2021 23: 09
      0
      It's hard to say better and clearer
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 8 November 2021 06: 13
    +10
    In the Russian Federation and Ukraine, they comment on the words of the People's Deputy of the Rada that “Russia, in the event of a Ukrainian offensive in Donbass, will go to the end
    ... You can think / assume whatever you like .... the question is, has everything been fully resolved with us?
    Although, why not? Any solution to a problem is better than endless torment.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 8 November 2021 07: 51
      -10
      The problem cannot be solved by force of arms. This will lead to collapse, including here in Russia. The issue should have been resolved seven years ago. It's already too late.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 November 2021 08: 45
        +5
        Quote: 210ox
        The issue should have been resolved seven years ago.

        FAILURE! it will happen anyway, it will catch up, the time will come to ALTER everything! because as then it WILL NOT PURCHASE!
        Quote: 210ox
        It's already too late.

        Better late than never ... very often it looks like an excuse for mistakes / stupidity / imperfections made earlier.
        Quote: 210ox
        This will lead to collapse, including here in Russia.

        Nothing is defined, not necessary until you check!
        The human society is much more complicated and no one has learned to predict everything, inside and out!
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 8 November 2021 08: 58
        +8
        Just the opposite. The Khlamino crisis has no peaceful solution. Two mutually exclusive ideas cannot get along in one country. And since the official Kiev idea is an unambiguous evil, there is only one way out. Walk to the westernmost border without stopping in front of anyone. And I am resolutely against the secession of the Western region. First, a hotbed of radicalism in the borderlands is not needed, there will be a second Palestine. And secondly - I am against the squandering of Russian lands. Since pre-Mongol times, Galicia-Volyn principality stood in those parts. Until the maximum western and southern pre-Mongol border is restored, I will not rest.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 8 November 2021 14: 39
          0
          there is only one way out. Walk to the westernmost border without stopping in front of anyone.

          And get queues in the back from ambushes, landmines on the roads, downed boards ...
          Yes, there will be flowers in the cities until the journalists leave.
          As long as there is not enough pro-Russian force there, there will be a second Afghanistan.
      3. valentine light
        valentine light 8 November 2021 09: 58
        +3
        To resolve the issue by military means, will and transparency of intentions are needed for the Western man in the street, for example, a tough, even in a European view, disregard for agreements on preventing the flights of combat UAVs.
        But even here the Russian military should not act - we can form 2 full-fledged divisions out of adult men from Donbass working in Russia, but it is better not to fight, it is necessary to ruin "Kiev" economically, otherwise sooner or later there will be a conflict.
    2. AUL
      AUL 8 November 2021 08: 05
      +8
      Quote: rocket757
      Any solution to a problem is better than endless torment.

      Quite a controversial thesis. What options do we have for solving the problem? IMHO, there are only three of them:
      1. Drain on a quiet DNR / LNR. People are tired of the war, when women and children are dying for an idea, and in the future, there is complete uncertainty.
      2. To introduce officially our troops, and at the first shot from the side of the ukrov - a throw to Kiev and Lvov.
      3. Follow the Crimean scenario - hold a referendum and include the regions in the Russian Federation.
      I don't even consider the option with negotiations - we swam, we know.
      Some nuances in the proposed options are possible. But anyway, if we consider the consequences of these decisions, we will find ourselves head over heels in substance. As for me - all options are filthy. But if someone can offer other options - "please read out the entire list, please"!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 8 November 2021 08: 50
        +4
        Quote: AUL
        Some nuances in the proposed options are possible.

        I have always said and will continue to say that now only the citizens themselves should / can change ... we get involved in a straight line, it will get a bunch of problems that we are not at all in an arc now.
        But the impact is not direct ... there are options, although not so many.
        You have to work more carefully, that's what.
        1. yelo
          yelo 8 November 2021 17: 34
          -2
          that there is now only the citizens themselves should / can change

          lol propaganda 24/7 in Ukraine + support of 50+ population of such a policy. including those from school and preschool age, that is, the number of those washed will only increase.

          But the impact is not directly

          lol number 2 they can calmly against the attack and the LDNR will not survive without the support of the Russian Federation.

          + failure, in the economy and foreign policy, and the failure of rearmament only contributes to this.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 8 November 2021 19: 00
            0
            Nobody says that everything is simple, BUT, if you want to live, do not tuck your tail under your butt! do what you must and victory will be ... will be.
            The question is, for whom is the time working now ???
            If you think about it ... you need to act now, then everything will be even more difficult.
            In general, a standard set of answers to questions that by themselves will not go anywhere.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 8 November 2021 10: 57
        +1
        Quote: AUL
        What options do we have for solving the problem? IMHO, there are only three of them:
        1. Drain on a quiet DNR / LNR. People are tired of the war, when women and children are dying for an idea, and in the future, there is complete uncertainty.
        2. To introduce officially our troops, and at the first shot from the side of the ukrov - a throw to Kiev and Lvov.
        3. Follow the Crimean scenario - hold a referendum and include the regions in the Russian Federation.
        I don't even consider the option with negotiations - we swam, we know.

        The first option is not an option at all, the second option (as proposed) entails accusations of armed aggression and illegal occupation against an independent state, and the third option has the right to be.
        Quote: AUL
        But if someone can suggest other options -

        To begin with, it would be nice to officially recognize the independence of the LPNR, and then conclude an agreement on military-political and economic cooperation, and receive an invitation to deploy a military contingent. Only then proposed by you second option becomes legally realizable and, even if formally, the introduction of troops will be within the framework of international law, and therefore the squeezing of the ukrovermacht from the occupied territories outside the administrative boundaries of the LPR will acquire a legal basis. But this will happen if Kuev and the mattresses show complete insanity and go to extreme aggravation. The same was the case with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which for a couple of decades were in an indefinite status and had "conditional" support from the Kremlin, until Saakashvili and Obama went overboard.
        1. AUL
          AUL 8 November 2021 11: 13
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          To begin with, it would be nice to officially recognize the independence of the LPNR, and then conclude an agreement on military-political and economic cooperation, and receive an invitation to deploy a military contingent. Only after that, the second option you proposed becomes legally feasible and, even if formally, the introduction of troops will be within the framework of international law,

          In the framework of international law, this will happen if the independence of the LPR is recognized by the "world community" at the UN. In the meantime, neither South Ossetia nor Abkhazia have been recognized. So the LDNR is not recognized either. As, however, and the Russian Crimea. Therefore, OUR recognition of the independence of the republics does not solve anything here.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 8 November 2021 11: 49
            +2
            Quote: AUL
            In the framework of international law, this will happen if the independence of the LPR is recognized by the "world community" at the UN. In the meantime, neither South Ossetia nor Abkhazia have been recognized. So the LDNR is not recognized either. As, however, and the Russian Crimea. Therefore, OUR recognition of the independence of the republics does not solve anything here.

            Nevertheless, even formally, all the procedures provided for by international law will be observed, which means we will be within the framework of international law. Mattresses in Syria are in general without any UN mandate and approval by the "world community" using only the pretext of fighting international terrorism.
            However, I do not impose my point of view, but only offer my own version to your request hi
            Quote: AUL
            But if someone can offer other options - "please read out the entire list, please"!
          2. jaroff
            jaroff 13 November 2021 12: 30
            0
            The PRC in the UN, if I am not mistaken, was not recognized until 1970, the place of China in the UN was occupied by Taiwan. The GDR was not recognized by the UN. And nothing. There are examples and will certainly be
      3. Kerensky
        Kerensky 8 November 2021 14: 42
        0
        3. Follow the Crimean scenario - hold a referendum and include the regions in the Russian Federation.

        Yes. Even on the condition "who owns what." It makes sense to hold a referendum not according to a ready-made scenario, but at least to listen to what the people have to say.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 November 2021 06: 31
    +6
    "Today there is self-destruction, which is inherent in modern Ukraine."
    Self-destruction has been observed since 2014, when a coup d'etat was carried out and outspoken cynical Bandera supporters came to power. Prior to that, since 1991, there was a systematic preparation for the banderization of Ukraine and its separation from Russia. And the Ukrainian authorities are "probing" the LPNR on their own head, which they have long lost.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 8 November 2021 07: 56
      +4
      Self-destruction began back in 1992. And let them self-destruct. Why do we need Mazepa's descendants?
    2. yelo
      yelo 8 November 2021 17: 38
      -5
      Self-destruction has been observed since 2014

      Even I did not notice that the salary there is higher than it was in 2013, in contrast to the Russian Federation.
      1. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky 9 November 2021 02: 29
        0
        what did he say about the patch?.
        1. yelo
          yelo 9 November 2021 16: 31
          -2
          go to no there is data on salaries. for almost all countries by year.
  4. storm
    storm 8 November 2021 08: 32
    0
    That's right, just let them clarify where they have "end" in Ukraine (:
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 November 2021 08: 32
    +5
    In the Russian Federation and Ukraine, they comment on the words of the People's Deputy of the Rada that "Russia will go to the end in the event of a Ukrainian offensive in Donbass"

    Russia will go to the victorious end, Ukraine - to the inglorious.
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 8 November 2021 09: 49
    +2
    Does Ukraine need a lot?
    They will cut off gas, oil products and cut off electricity. I think while the troops are deploying in the country there will be a collapse. And as with Armenia, there will be peace. War is primarily resources.
  7. svoit
    svoit 8 November 2021 09: 53
    +1
    Quote: Dikson
    for a fratricidal war will destroy not one, but both conflicting states.

    That is why you first need to decompose and divide this state, if you do this, it will take a little time and effort, and then come there as liberators. It is impossible to do without war at all, but it will not be a war of fraternal peoples, at least
  8. Der Spiegel
    Der Spiegel 8 November 2021 11: 08
    -2
    I just can't find the answer to a simple question:
    - why did not VVP initiate (s) within the UN the question of a joint mission along the line of delimitation?

    If the damned mattress toppers block the initiative, then what would prevent Putin in this case from recognizing the DPR and LPR as subjects / objects (at least something), to introduce them into the CSTO, to come out with joint forces on the border of razgarnizm, or even much further and put on the border is already Russian / joint Armed Forces, and not units of the NMDNR / LPR, which would radically change the behavior of the Armed Forces.
    Accordingly, the pros:
    1. Elimination of threats to the life and health of civilians
    2. Full economic and social integration of the Russian Federation and the people of Donbass
    3. The return of lands to the Russian Federation and the creation of a powerful outpost on the western border

    Cons:
    1. New economic blockade (sanctions) - the previous ones did not give tangible results, so the new ones will not cause any special feelings. The Russian Federation is practically ready for them.
    2. Possible admission of Ukraine to NATO if Ukraine abandons the idea of ​​returning the lands of Donbass (but this is not so soon feasible according to all forecasts, and besides, Ukraine does not want to give up its claims to Crimea, which is also an obstacle to joining NATO )

    What are other possible options for ending the senseless conflict? What are the disadvantages / advantages of my proposed option? Or what reasons do you see for the impossibility of implementing the above?
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 8 November 2021 13: 38
      -3
      The sun-face told you clearly that "Russia sees the LDNR only as a part of Ukraine and nothing else. The solution to the problem of this territory can only be in the Norman format and on the basis of the very first agreements." From here and "dance". That is, this is the territory of Ukraine, period. And Russia ... And what about Russia? - it (Russia) has a "budget rule", "obligations to partners" in priority and gold reserves are kept by the "partners", what interests of the LPNR can there be? Look there Girkin-Strelkov, what he says, you can treat him differently, but he is in the subject and has the right to have his own judgment, albeit impartial for some.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 8 November 2021 15: 02
        +1
        "responsibilities to partners" are a priority and Gold reserves are kept by "partners" What are the interests of the LDNR here?

        There is no need to rock the galley - it makes the slaves rock!
        What are the gold reserves of partners? Do not consider it for work - educate the society. Otherwise, we will consider you a skier in a sweatshirt ..
      2. AUL
        AUL 8 November 2021 17: 15
        0
        Quote: Snail N9
        The sun-face told you clearly that "Russia sees the LDNR only as a part of Ukraine and nothing else. The solution to the problem of this territory can only be in the Norman format and on the basis of the very first agreements."

        This is the complete drain of the republics.
        1. JustSasha
          JustSasha 10 November 2021 01: 52
          0
          GDP has managed to make everyone angry, from liberals to patriots. As for Ukraine, everything has already happened. Everything that was feared in 2014, and which Russia is allegedly still struggling with. NATO bases, the ultimate anti-Russian vector. And the fate of the LDNR will not affect this in any way.
      3. mmaxx
        mmaxx 9 November 2021 06: 24
        0
        Oyyy. He said exactly the same thing about the territorial inviolability of Ukraine and its Crimea. And where is Crimea now?
        Politicians should speak beautiful and convenient words.
    2. Kerensky
      Kerensky 8 November 2021 14: 58
      0
      what would prevent Putin in this case from recognizing the DPR and LPR as subjects / objects (at least something),

      And the Republics asked them to be recognized as part of the Russian Federation? What right do we have? If we were not asked, but we brought in troops, then who is the occupier?
      As a guarantor of Minsk, we could bring in peacekeepers together with Germany and France, but .... under a UN mandate.
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  9. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 8 November 2021 14: 11
    0
    "Until the end" is this with the capture of Kiev, a no-fly zone so that they do not escape, and executions on Bankova? Eh, if only ...
  10. Hindu
    Hindu 8 November 2021 17: 39
    0
    Quote: Dikson
    .. It would be better - to separate Western Ukraine altogether, and let them themselves. they lived there as they wanted under fascist banners .. But why talk about it now?


    And why do you think that eastern Ukraine is thirsty, asleep and sees itself "in its own harbor"?
    Judging by the latest news pages, Russians do not live very well and safely in Russia. Do you think that Ukrainians want the same? Seeing crowds of "Tozherossians" on their streets and in the subway?
  11. Hindu
    Hindu 8 November 2021 17: 45
    +1
    Quote: ROSS 42
    In the Russian Federation and Ukraine, they comment on the words of the People's Deputy of the Rada that "Russia will go to the end in the event of a Ukrainian offensive in Donbass"

    Russia will go to the victorious end, Ukraine - to the inglorious.

    Ordinary people don't want any ends, just let them live. And then many people on the forum want to fight.
    If the inhabitants of the LDNR knew about today's prospects, whoever would have risen against the "junta" would be bald. Because a bad peace is always better than a good war.