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Kazakhstani multipurpose armored vehicle "Barys 8x8" was called not ready for adoption

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The multipurpose armored vehicle "Barys" 8x8, which has completed state tests, is not ready for adoption by the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, since it has a number of major design flaws, according to the Kazakh web resource Ulysmedia.kz.


According to the portal, the four-year tests of the combat vehicle have ended, judging by the statement of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, without comment, "Barys" is ready to be put into service. However, the vehicle has numerous shortcomings identified in the testing process and they are reflected in the acts of military tests. However, the High Command of the Ground Forces prohibits their disclosure.

According to the available information, the car is still "damp", often breaks down, and its repair is very expensive. Claims are made to the chassis, in particular to the suspension, the combat module, which is unable to fire with full ammunition, as well as the software. At the last stage of testing, all this was recorded, but representatives of Kazakstan Paramount Engineering, who developed Barys 8x8, carefully hide this. They need the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan to take the vehicle into service and place an order for further production. It is reported that without a government contract, the company will face bankruptcy.

"Barys" 8x8 is designed specifically for the Kazakh army, positioned as a multipurpose armored vehicle equipped with advanced technologies, capable of performing the functions of both an armored personnel carrier and an infantry fighting vehicle. The declared characteristics: length - 8 m, width - 2,8 m, height on the roof - 2,4 m. Combat weight, depending on the configuration - up to 28 tons. Max. speed - 100 km / h, cruising range - 500 km. Crew - 2-3 people, landing - 8 people. A remotely controlled combat module Ansar, developed in Kazakhstan, is installed as a weapon. The module is equipped with a 2 mm 72A30 automatic cannon, a PKT 7,62 mm coaxial machine gun, and smoke grenades. Provided for the installation of ATGM.

The end of the Barys 8x8 state tests was reported in mid-October 2021.
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  1. Hog
    Hog 7 November 2021 12: 40
    +2
    unable to fire with full ammunition

    I wonder how it is? BK stuffed so much that it interferes with the gun when rolling back (nothing else comes to mind)?
  2. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 7 November 2021 12: 49
    +1
    How much time, money, wasted! There have been so many conversations from Kazakhs, here on the site, but in the end the car is rejected not because there is no money, not because politics intervened, but because the car does not satisfy the customer.
    1. Zorro21
      Zorro21 7 November 2021 13: 12
      +6
      Buy a ready-made technology, and then test it for another 4 years. The question arises, what can you experience in a finished armored car, which, according to Kazakh media reports 5 years ago, was considered one of the best? The obvious conclusion is that such technologies can only be in Ukraine. What could be more profitable how to justify the allocation of huge funds for the acquisition of technologies of the world brand of Turkey and South Africa, and in fact to buy Ukrainian cheap stuff, which everyone has long abandoned. Earlier, the same scheme with the acquisition of the "Belarusian" technology of the ACS of the SVO has already been rolled out, and the dissatisfied were simply fired. Why not repeat it now with Barys.
      Interestingly, earlier, on a less significant occasion, Deputy Minister K. Maermanov received 8 years in prison, but then it was about Israeli technology, which was head and shoulders above Barys. It is surprising that now the media do not recall this sad case where the general, due to threats to his family, was forced to incriminate himself.
    2. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 7 November 2021 13: 21
      -11
      How much time, money, wasted! There have been so many conversations from Kazakhs, here on the site, but in the end the car is rejected not because there is no money, not because politics intervened, but because the car does not satisfy the customer.


      What's with Boomerang? He cost Russia a gift and passed the tests without any comments?

      In Kazakhstan, not a penny of state money was spent on the construction of this armored personnel carrier, this is a project of a private company.

      And in Russia, only the salary of the director of the state plant where Boomerangs are harvested for the entire time of testing has already exceeded the budget of the Kazakh firm several times.

      And the result is the same. So far no
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 7 November 2021 13: 33
        +4
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        What's with Boomerang?

        in the summer of this year, the state began. tests.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 7 November 2021 13: 45
          -11
          in the summer of this year, the state began. tests.


          Wow, they give in Russia, not like the Kazakhs there with their private office. The scale and speed of production is amazing.

          And before that, ten years or even more what they were doing ?! Can I find out?

          The third world war will end, and this Boomerang will pass all the tests))).

          There is so much to experience, at least 30 years is necessary))).

          A disgrace.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 7 November 2021 13: 59
            +7
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            Wow, they give in Russia, not like the Kazakhs there with their private office. The scale and speed of production is amazing.

            "Kazakhs with their private office" lol
            please love and respect
            Mbombe 8 (South Africa)

      2. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 7 November 2021 15: 38
        +3
        Which state? Find out first, and then write heresy. Boomerang is manufactured at its own expense by the Military Industrial Company, one of the divisions of the GAZ group, a private structure.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 7 November 2021 16: 47
          -5
          The GAZ Group itself is on state orders and state subsidies, like Kamaz, like VAZ.

          And I strongly doubt that GAZ does it for its Boomerang.
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 7 November 2021 18: 59
            +2
            So who does the director receive his salary from? From the owner or the state? You were already touched above that the Kazakhs are gut, a private company is doing (South African development and their license), and our radishes are "sawing state money." Government orders? So the Kazakhs created their enterprises specifically for the state order. The article says that in case of refusal of the MO, the company is bankrupt? But the GAZ group is unlikely to go bankrupt if our Ministry of Defense refuses. So we have the most capacious part of the market for state orders. Let me tell you a secret - most companies want to get into government procurement. Kamaz - it has the main owner of Rostec, a state-owned company, it is stupid for the state not to buy from its company. GAZ is on government orders? So name a competitor to Gazelles, the new Lawns? They make the best product from Russian manufacturers in their segment. The development is being carried out by order of the Ministry of Defense, of course, money is allocated for this. I will reveal one more secret - this is accepted all over the world.
      3. DMi
        DMi 7 November 2021 21: 12
        +2
        Where does the information about the salary of the general director of the plant come from? Are you a bank employee, or do you work in special services?
        Where does the information about the budget of the Kazakh firm come from? Are you a shareholder, or do you work in accounting there?
        Something a lot of noisy blah blah blah from you on the forum ..
        Boomerang, therefore, is brought to mind, so as not to get it, like the Kazakhs. And for your information, the amers also had a program to create a new generation of armored vehicles. The money has been spent, NOTHING has been done, the program is closed. But all the same, the Russian Federation is the wretched country))) you can not even answer, I know in advance what you will answer)
        Boomerang will be in the army in thousands of copies and without jambs. This is quite obvious.
      4. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 8 November 2021 11: 09
        0
        In the Russian Federation, the situation is more complicated ..... And the Boomerang is more complicated - it should and should be made of domestic parts. There are no such restrictions in the KZ ... there are bulk offers on the market - CHINA, KOREA, South Africa, Slavakia ... all independent suppliers ... put the module - whatever you want from BMP-2 and =, BMP-3 and harder ....
  3. YOUR
    YOUR 7 November 2021 12: 52
    +1
    The tower at the back has a characteristic bevel. Tankers call it zaman or snacks. I've heard such names.
    Due to the fact that, hitting this area of ​​the tower, a shell, a splinter, the bullet will ricochet under the base of the tower and into the hull from above, where the armor is minimal.
    It's strange that they did that.
    1. D16
      D16 7 November 2021 15: 36
      0
      a shell, a fragment, a bullet will ricochet under the base of the tower and into the hull from above, where the armor is minimal.

      There is bulletproof booking on the module or on the roof. Any projectile or serious splinter will not even notice it.
    2. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 9 November 2021 14: 57
      -1
      Look at the merkava, at the abrams, at the leopard - they all have this pseudo-deception. This is called the turret aft niche. There is a niche, there is also a "zaman". The real zaman can be seen on the Abrams at the front of the tower, on the 54 T-1949 at the rear of the tower. hi
  4. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 7 November 2021 12: 52
    -10
    The armored personnel carrier is good, both in terms of armament and security.

    Of course, it is difficult for a private company from Kazakhstan to pull such a project alone, but they are trying.

    In the place of the authorities of Kazakhstan, I would do everything to bring this BMP / armored personnel carrier to a series.

    You can allocate money, for a part of the shares of this company, or somehow, but I would have delayed the project until implementation.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2021 13: 10
      0
      There is a serious competitor from Turkey, Arma 8 * 8. He also passed the tests, it seems like he is the leader in the competition.
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 7 November 2021 13: 17
        -13
        Why buy an APC when you can make it yourself.

        Kazakhstan is not a small and not a poor state, the armored personnel carriers must be produced by ourselves.

        You can't buy everything abroad.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 7 November 2021 13: 19
          +3
          It is difficult and expensive. And the overwhelming majority of countries in the world do not need it. The Turks will provide localization. Assembly and partial production in Kazakhstan will be. There are no differences with the South African scheme.

          If that "Barys" is South African "Paramount Mbombe 8".
        2. strannik1985
          strannik1985 7 November 2021 17: 51
          0
          Why buy an APC

          So they bought "Barys", the original Mbombe 8x8 was demonstrated at exhibitions back in 2016. There is nothing like that, the car just turned out to be raw, a bunch of imperfections from the chassis to the software. Now, government money is needed to fine-tune the car. wink
          We have already gone through this with "Tiger".
        3. DMi
          DMi 7 November 2021 21: 27
          +2
          The population of Kazakhstan is 20 million. At the same time, 40% do not live in cities, read in the steppe. Kazakhstan is a small state.
          Dozens of subcontractors are needed to create a banal armored personnel carrier. Those. a whole system of factories and technologies. What Kazakhstan has never had, is not and never will be. They can and will be able to master the screwdriver assembly of a South African car or a Turkish one, never develop their own.
    2. Errr
      Errr 7 November 2021 13: 44
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Of course, it is difficult for a private company from Kazakhstan to pull such a project alone, but they are trying.
      The private company in this case is called Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering LLP. This is a joint venture between Kazakhstan Engineering and the South African Paramount Group. smile
      https://kpe.com.kz/rus/
    3. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 7 November 2021 15: 37
      +5
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Of course, it is difficult for a private company from Kazakhstan to pull such a project alone, but they are trying.
      In the place of the authorities of Kazakhstan, I would do everything to bring this BMP / armored personnel carrier to a series.
      You can allocate money, for a part of the shares of this company, or somehow, but I would have delayed the project until implementation.

      According to the authoritative BMPD blog, the assembly of armored vehicles by the South African Paramount Group at an enterprise in Kazakhstan, as is often the case with small-scale assembly production of military equipment, turned out to be "gold" in value (the above figure is $ 1,3 million per unit Marodeur / "Arlan" ), and Kazakhstan's defense ministry quickly lost enthusiasm for this "national war production." The disadvantages of the Mbombe 8 (Barys 8x8), described in the material, clearly indicate that the creation and development of a modern wheeled armored personnel carrier is a rather complex technical task that is difficult to solve for relatively small companies like the Paramount Group, which, moreover, lack the proper experience in creating vehicles of this class. , unlike MRAPs and other relatively simple types of armored vehicles.
  5. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 7 November 2021 12: 53
    +1
    For some reason, there is nothing about armor ?!
  6. Elturisto
    Elturisto 7 November 2021 12: 56
    -5
    The concept itself, with a front-mounted propulsion system, modular armor and a remotely controlled module, is shit. All these cars are for parades. Here's the BTR-80 - cheap and cheerful.
    1. D16
      D16 7 November 2021 15: 42
      +2
      Here is the BTR-80 - cheap and cheerful.

      Especially the landing under fire. Damn angry. For personnel.
      1. Elturisto
        Elturisto 8 November 2021 11: 52
        0
        In order to land the troops, you still need to get to the landing site - and this is just the problem - overloaded front axles, poor handling, increased fatigue of the driver and crew, lack of amphibiousness and visibility, side radiators, missing or unreliable weapons. So in most cases , after a long march, the motorized infantry will turn into infantry and it will no longer have to land :).
        1. D16
          D16 8 November 2021 22: 08
          0
          overloaded front axles, poor handling

          If you follow your logic, the Boomerang should float like an ax, but it is not. So there is no congestion on the front axles. The automatic module partially compensates for the weight of the engine and transmission. This is me about the concept lol .
          1. Elturisto
            Elturisto 9 November 2021 10: 37
            -1
            Everything is there - both the overload and the buggy module and the inability to fire l / s from the car and a large number of imported components and assemblies. In general, a complete set of colonial armored cars for parades.
            1. D16
              D16 9 November 2021 19: 27
              0
              Everything is there - both the overload and the buggy module and the inability to fire l / s from the car and a large number of imported components and assemblies.

              State tests of the Boomerang armored combat vehicle will be completed in the next year and a half. This was announced by the general director of the Military Industrial Company (MIC) Alexander Krasovitsky.

              “We have completed preliminary tests. We are finishing two samples, and they go to state tests. I think they will be completed within the next year - one and a half years. The military-industrial complex is proceeding in accordance with our roadmap, which was approved by the Deputy Minister of Defense, "he said in an interview with TASS during the Army-2021 International Military-Technical Forum.

              According to him, the company has already received the necessary documents to promote this project to the foreign market.

              “Two samples are now 80-85% collected. We made them easier to make the cars float. Moreover, for the K-16 and K-17 modifications, we have already received advertising and export passports and can promote them abroad. The company is already starting to make such proposals, because this is a very serious chassis, "said Krasovitsky. (C)
              https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/899008-bronemashiny-bumerang-ispytaniya
  7. Humpty
    Humpty 7 November 2021 13: 00
    +1
    It is cats that do dirty tricks, interfere. They are vindictive if they are mistreated. There is a problem with the name of the car. In Kazakhstan, cats were strangled, strangled. They choked, choked. Then the Spanish king was presented with a fur coat.
  8. askort154
    askort154 7 November 2021 13: 03
    +4
    The CSTO country is trying to construct its own
    "bike" ?!
    More like "cutting" the military budget.
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 7 November 2021 13: 13
      +3
      Quote: askort154
      More like "cutting" the military budget.

      Very similar, judging by the text of the article:
      It is reported that without a government contract, the company will face bankruptcy.
      Everyone needs money! But what about the technique? And then the technique!
    2. D16
      D16 7 November 2021 15: 52
      +1
      The CSTO country is trying to construct its own
      "bike" ?!

      I wonder how many of these cats are needed for the army of Kazakhstan? Maybe they want to become a great armored personnel carrier-building power and sell it for export? To whom? He's probably cheaper from South Africa. laughing
  9. Victorio
    Victorio 7 November 2021 13: 05
    +2
    Kazakstan Paramount Engineering,
    ===
    abruptly
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  11. Or me
    Or me 7 November 2021 13: 17
    0
    Take it, take it. And then - how it goes.
    representatives of Kazakstan Paramount Engineering, who developed Barys 8x8, carefully conceal this. They need the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan to take the vehicle into service and place an order for further production.
  12. Humpty
    Humpty 7 November 2021 13: 23
    +3
    Quote: askort154
    The CSTO country is trying to construct its own
    "bike" ?!
    More like "cutting" the military budget.

    They are trying to convert someone else's "dump truck" into a combat vehicle (rather a police one). For small batch production. In the CSTO country, in which there was a loss of competencies in various fields. In particular, in the installation of pillars.
  13. rotfuks
    rotfuks 7 November 2021 13: 52
    0
    not quite clear. Or did the Kazakh craftsmen simply copy the design of the South African "Mbombe 8" or did the Kazakh people have a line for the "Mbombe 8" screwdriver assembly? Agree that this is a big difference, or copy and reproduce or assemble from ready-made nodes.
    1. venik
      venik 7 November 2021 15: 07
      +2
      Quote: rotfuks
      not quite clear. Or did the Kazakh craftsmen simply copy the design of the South African "Mbombe 8" or did the Kazakh people have a line for the "Mbombe 8" screwdriver assembly?

      =======
      At least - at the end of the summer they were just going to master the welding of hulls (i.e. until now they received them ready!). By the way, they did not copy the design, this is the same "Mbombe 8"! Only the module was installed different ...
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 7 November 2021 17: 59
      0
      Quote: rotfuks
      Or did the Kazakh craftsmen simply copy the design of the South African "Mbombe 8" or did the Kazakh people have a line for the "Mbombe 8" screwdriver assembly?

      The South African decided to enter the CA market and in the Republic of Kazakhstan created a joint venture, but ...
  14. Humpty
    Humpty 7 November 2021 13: 56
    +3
    Quote: Yarasa
    The army of Kazakhstan is far from poorly equipped, it will not seem a little hit.

    And I agree with you. Balabas in intelligence, they can hit. The equipment is mainly its own, the Holy Hills, Aspara, Toparka.
    1. venik
      venik 7 November 2021 18: 49
      0
      Quote: Humpty
      Equipment is mostly your own

      =========
      belay And WHAT do they have their own ???
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 7 November 2021 20: 02
        +1
        Quote: venik
        And WHAT do they have their own ???

        I listed only "branded" elements, uh, equipment of local origin (Toparka, Aspara, Holy Hills). But looking at the behavior, this is not a complete list.
  15. Pavel57
    Pavel57 7 November 2021 14: 27
    +2
    The Kazakhs had to buy a license for the BTR-90.
    1. strannik1985
      strannik1985 7 November 2021 18: 08
      0
      AMV batch, up to licensed assembly and integration of our own DBMS.
  16. venik
    venik 7 November 2021 15: 01
    +2
    "...the tests of the combat vehicle have been completed, judging by the statement of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, without comment, "Barys" is ready to be put into service. However, the machine has numerous shortcomings identified during the testing process and they are reflected in the acts of military tests...... "
    =======
    Am I missing something? Trials ended WITHOUT remarkth, but the car has numerous disadvantages?? belay This is HOW to understand? what
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 7 November 2021 15: 35
      +3
      Quote: venik
      The tests were completed WITHOUT comments, but the car has numerous disadvantages ??? This is HOW to understand?

      This is called corruption and nepotism.
    2. D16
      D16 7 November 2021 15: 57
      +2
      This means that the military are against it with their hands and feet, but the civilians really want to. Painfully pepelats bread and beautiful. Compromise lol .
      1. rotfuks
        rotfuks 7 November 2021 16: 10
        0
        Are you saying that the military are very disappointed in this car, making sure that it crumbles on the move, and civilians insist on purchases in the hope of taking part in cutting the dough?
        1. D16
          D16 7 November 2021 16: 33
          +1
          Exactly. BUT with regard to civilians, everything is not so simple. Most just want jobs, and the army has a good armored personnel carrier. But due to the closed nature of the results of the tests, they only see the wrapper from the shitty candy.
  17. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 7 November 2021 17: 41
    +1
    "Barys" 8x8 designed specifically for the Kazakh army
    already funny
    actually it's mbombe 8
  18. Hindu
    Hindu 8 November 2021 10: 30
    0
    I should have called Barys Eltsyn, then I would have gone ...
    Remember, such was the storyteller, he told about 38 snipers?
  19. Errr
    Errr 8 November 2021 11: 37
    0
    And the Kazakhs are not at all involved here. "Barys 8x8" is nothing more than the South African "Mbombe 8" designed for production in Kazakhstan, developed by Paramount Group.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxei1Zoat9Q
    But the fact that Kazakhstani craftsmen could not reproduce what is already being produced in South Africa is, as they say, in no way ...
  20. aslan balayev
    aslan balayev 9 November 2021 13: 44
    +1
    I thought it was about Turkish Pars. By the way, the same class is being tested in the same place in Kazakhstan. I wonder why Kazakhstan needs two cars with similar performance characteristics.