Military Review

Caspian Navy

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The specific geographical location of the Caspian Sea makes it a potential zone of geopolitical conflict. There are several international treaties, the purpose of which, first of all, is to regulate the issue of the use of natural resources. However, due to some reasons there are grounds to doubt that these agreements can be a full guarantee of the absence of any conflict. Therefore, in the media, statements by politicians and experts, as well as in the "kitchen" discussions, the topic of possible military actions in the Caspian Sea is regularly raised. Let's try to figure out what forces the countries have, whose shores are washed by this sea.

Ships in line: The Tatarstan missile ship of the 11661K project - the flagship ship, the Dagestan missile ship of the 11661K project, the Astrakhanets PSKR of the 1265E project (the former base minesweeper), the Astrakhan IAC project of the 21630 project, the Volgodonsk project 21630 project, the 32 project, the 12421 project, the 12411 project. boat P-XNUMX project XNUMX, IAC "Gomel" project XNUMX (former rocket boat)


The region’s most powerful force is the Caspian. flotilla Navy of Russia. It includes ships and boats of various projects, the total number of which is almost three dozen. The largest, most powerful and armed ships of the Caspian flotilla are two patrol ships of the 11661 Cheetah project. The Tatarstan and Dagestan ships have artillery, torpedo and missile weapons: one 76-mm AK-176 gun mount, two AK-630M anti-aircraft guns, two 533 mm caliber torpedo tubes and two quad launchers for anti-ship missiles of the Caliber family . In addition, the crew has one RBU-6000 bomb to combat submarines and 20 Osa-MA anti-aircraft missiles for air defense. The watchdog Tatarstan is the flagship of the Caspian Flotilla. In addition to patrol officers, the flotilla also includes ships of other classes. These are small artillery ships of projects 21630 "Buyan" and 12411. The project "Buyan" is presented by the ships "Astrakhan" and "Volgodonsk". Each of these carries the A-100 190 mm artillery mount and the A-40 215-barreled multiple launch rocket system. In addition, for defense against an attack from the air, the Buyan ships have AK-306 anti-aircraft guns and launchers for 3M47 Gibka missiles. In addition, the Caspian flotilla has one small artillery ship MAK-160, belonging to the revised project 12411. Its armament is generally similar arms previous ships, however it does not carry launchers for anti-aircraft missiles. The MAK-160 main caliber is the 76-mm AK-176 artillery. The running characteristics of the 11661, 21630 and 12411 project ships allow them to navigate through most of the Caspian Sea without replenishing fuel supplies. To this range, you can add the range of anti-ship missiles (in the case of the "Cheetah"). In fact, at least half of the entire Caspian Sea is under the control of guard and small rocket ships alone.

Gemini-MAKI "Astrakhan" and "Volgodonsk"


Despite the presence in the Caspian flotilla of fairly large ships with a relatively large displacement, the bulk of the equipment consists of boats of various classes and projects. At the same time, the majority of combat boats have served in the Caspian Sea for more than a decade. Thus, the newest of the artillery boats of the 1204 project was commissioned back in the 1972 year. Approximately the same situation with rocket boats, however, even the oldest of them (Р-50 "Karachay-Cherkessia") began service later than artillery boats 1204, in 1978 year. At the same time, there are newer boats on the Caspian Sea. AK-326 (project 1400М) was commissioned in 1990 year, and Р-32 project 12421 - in 2010-m. Due to such a large variation in the time of construction and the commissioning of the armament of rocket ships, the armament of the artillery ships is quite diverse. Artillery is mainly represented by AK-176 and AK-630, rocket armament - by Termit and P-15 Mosquito anti-ship complexes. The list of warships of the Caspian Flotilla of the Russian Navy is completed by six landing craft of projects 270, 11770 and 1176, as well as five minesweepers of projects 21820, 1258 and 12650.

Border Patrol Boat Project 12150 "Mongoose"

Border patrol boat project 18623 "Mustang-2"


The main objectives of the Caspian flotilla, according to official statements, is to protect the coastal waters, fight poaching and protect national interests in oil-producing areas. Strictly speaking, similar goals are declared by other states that have access to the Caspian Sea. However, in quantitative and qualitative terms, their flotilla significantly lags behind the Russian.

The most powerful maritime group in the Caspian among foreign countries is Iran. In the Caspian Sea, the Islamic Republic has three naval bases, one of which is used for training purposes. A characteristic feature of the Iranian flotilla is the absence of large ships. The basis of the military power of the Iranian fleet in the Caspian Sea are rocket boats of Houdong Chinese-made, German Kaman and Sina projects. The main armament of all these boats is Chinese anti-ship missiles YJ-82. In addition, several dozen light boats and motorboats equipped with less solid weapons, from machine guns to recoilless medium-caliber guns, serve on the Caspian bases of Iran. Recently, there has been an increasing talk about strengthening the Iranian presence in the Caspian Sea. From time to time, admirals from Tehran promise to transfer more serious ships, patrol boats or frigates to the Caspian Sea. However, so far, the entire Caspian flotilla of Iran consists only of boats of various classes.


Amphibious boats of the project 11770 "Serna"


It is worth noting that Kazakhstan could share the second place in the power of its naval forces in the Caspian Sea with Iran. The latter lags far behind in the total number of vehicles, but it does have several more serious ships. The flagship of the Kazakh flotilla is the only rocket boat "Kazakhstan" project 20971. It was developed by the Russian Almaz Central Metallurgical Bureau “Almaz” and was built at the Kazakh factory “Zenit” in the city of Uralsk. The basis of the ship’s armament is eight X-35 anti-ship missiles. In addition to them, the ship has artillery, as well as air defense. In the coming years, Kazakhstan will receive three rocket boats of the Yoon Young-ha type, ordered in South Korea. Three more Korean-made boats, but only with artillery weapons, were received in the middle of the two thousandth. These are “Shapshan” (“Fast”), “Batyr” (“Brave”) and “Izzet” (“Fearless”), belonging to the Sea Dolphin project. A little earlier, Astana bought from Turkey a single patrol boat of the Turk project. It should be noted that large boats are not a priority for the development of the Kazakh fleet. The most massive class of vehicles in the Navy of Kazakhstan are patrol boats, of which there are more than fifty. It is noteworthy that most of the patrol boats that went into service after the collapse of the USSR were built by Kazakhstan either independently or with the help of Russia. Abroad was bought only about two dozen boats. Armament patrol boats rather diverse: from machine guns, including large-caliber, to artillery caliber 76 millimeters.


In attack - artillery boats project 1204 "Bumblebee"


Azerbaijan has a relatively large fleet. This country has one patrol ship of the 159A project and five missile boats of the 205P project, built back in Soviet times. In addition, in the composition of the Azerbaijani fleet there are five patrol boats of various projects, including those purchased from Turkey. An interesting fact is that amphibious ships and boats are the most widespread type of equipment in the Azerbaijani Navy. About a dozen ships of 770, 771 and 106 projects serve on naval bases. The reasons for this original structure of the Caspian flotilla of Azerbaijan, apparently, are the peculiarities of the basing of the USSR Navy in the Caspian Sea, as well as the economic possibilities of the new independent state.

However, a dozen ships and boats with serious weapons and another ten landing ships are not an anti-record in the Caspian Sea. Turkmenistan received an “inheritance” from the USSR and, after its collapse, acquired an even smaller amount of equipment. Currently, this country has only two rocket boats of the 12418 "Lightning" project, ten patrol boats of Soviet, Ukrainian and Turkish production. In addition, Turkmen sailors serve on the same landing craft LCM-1, one clean-up boat and one tug. At the same time, it is necessary to make a remark: the boats of the project “Lightning” became part of the Turkmen naval forces only in the year 2011.

As we see, the composition of the naval forces of the Caspian states is quite heterogeneous both in quantitative and qualitative aspects. At the moment, the leaders can be called the Russian and Iranian Caspian fleets. At the same time, there are significant differences in the approach to the formation of the composition of these operational associations. Thus, in recent years, Russia has been trying to equip the Caspian flotilla with rocket and artillery ships. Iran, in turn, prefers to create a so-called. mosquito fleet. The reasons for this discrepancy are obvious: the Caspian flotilla of the Navy of the USSR and Russia always had a slightly lower priority than the other fleets. Therefore, the recently begun rearmament has become an occasion and a means for significantly increasing the potential of the Caspian Sea and updating its technology. In the case of Iran, the reason for the specific equipment of the naval forces is the need to deploy the bulk of the ships in the Persian Gulf. In addition, given the current political situation in the region, it can be concluded about the direction expected by Tehran strikes. Judging by the mosquito fleet in the Caspian Sea, the Islamic Republic does not consider Russia, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan or Turkmenistan as potential adversaries, from which it is necessary to “shut off” an urgent powerful fleet.

As for the hypothetical military conflict between the states of the Caspian region, here some things are clear now. It is not difficult to guess that the same Turkmenistan with its few ships and boats can hardly fight with Iran or Azerbaijan. Much more unpredictable will be clashes between countries with good fleets - Russia, Iran, Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan. In the case of these states, the outcome of sea battles will depend more on the interaction of units and their management. In addition, other types of troops will necessarily be included in the conflict, which, in the end, makes forecasting even harder. Regardless of the current balance of forces or the possibility of a military conflict, all countries in the region should continue to develop and strengthen their armed forces. In the coming years, the Caspian flotilla of Russia will be replenished with two ships of the 21631 "Buyan-M" project and several other boats for various purposes. The construction of this equipment is carried out in order to update the flotilla, as well as to preserve its combat potential. In the light of regular statements about the strengthening of the fleets of the Caspian states, the renewal of our flotilla looks logical and useful. Perhaps in the future, the strengthening of the Caspian flotilla will even be able to prevent a conflict - “hot heads” from neighboring states will not begin military operations, risking to meet in battle with the “Buyans”, “Cheetahs” and other Russian ships.


On the materials of the sites:
http://flot.com/
http://almaz-kb.ru/
http://armstrade.org/
http://waronline.org/
http://globalsecurity.org/
http://lenta.ru/
http://kazpravda.kz/
http://argumenti.ru/
http://turkmenistan.gov.tm/
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  1. sovereign2704
    sovereign2704 15 September 2012 10: 22
    +4
    let's hope that no one will want to invade our territory
    1. spender
      spender 15 September 2012 11: 39
      +6
      This is more necessary to protect oil and gas production, shelves with minerals and biological resources, and not to protect the territory, although we do not sweep it hi
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 15 September 2012 13: 02
        +3
        Here you need to look in the distant future! Will NATO come to the Caspian Sea? That is the question! The Caspian flotilla needs to be strengthened. You can transfer small missile and artillery ships from other fleets to a permanent deployment there! From them in the Caspian there will be more sense! hi
        1. Armata
          Armata 16 September 2012 16: 02
          0
          Greetings, Alex. Well, given that Iran does not see the coast there, then there is a minimum of pr.1240 at least 10 pieces are necessary.
    2. 16
      16 16 September 2012 02: 29
      +1
      there will be !!!!!!!!!!!!! 2-3 corvettes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  2. bamboo
    bamboo 15 September 2012 10: 35
    +5
    Thanks to the author, interesting article !!!
    I liked the pictures too !!!))) drinks
  3. Yarbay
    Yarbay 15 September 2012 11: 39
    +4
    I am convinced that the capabilities of the Iranian fleet in the Caspian are exaggerated by the author and their preparation!
    As for Azerbaijan, I can say that for many years the issues of strengthening the fleet have not been a priority and therefore little attention has been paid to this!
    For any of the strongest fleets in the Caspian, Russia has and this is unlikely to change in the short term !!
    and tuck in there loot to compare with Russia insanity!
    article informative and interesting +
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 17 September 2012 01: 32
      0
      Azerbaijan. This country has one patrol ship of project 159A and five missile boats of project 205P, built back in Soviet times.
      Here the author still confused a little. Project 205 with the letter P is the PSKR (border patrol ship!) "Tarantula" or, as we called it, "Humpbacked". Its armament - 4 TA, 2 AK-230 and that's it! There are no missiles on it! There was a naval project 205 with 4 missiles.
      The author also did not indicate the presence of a sickly flotilla of PSKRs and PSKA, although he inserted a photo of the boats. In addition to the Caspian flotilla, border guards also have a fleet comparable to the Kazakh one. So Russia is the most powerful in the Caspian!
      But I will not put pluses to the author!
      Photo - class!
  4. Per se.
    Per se. 15 September 2012 12: 15
    +1
    Informative, informative article, +. I will allow myself to express one thought on the topic of the Caspian fleets. Obviously, the Caspian naval flotilla of Russia dominates in the Caspian, and, obviously, this will continue for the foreseeable future. What is more obvious, there is no (or not yet) NATO presence. Why am I saying this, the Caspian Sea is sufficient to accommodate underwater self-propelled platforms equipped with ballistic missiles (or, more simply, submarines). You can get additional deterrence against the US missile defense. Stupidity, utopia, how to know ...
  5. Beck
    Beck 15 September 2012 12: 51
    +5
    The CIS countries need fleets in the Caspian for two reasons.

    1. How the sea atrubut statehood.

    2. Militarily, only as a possible confrontation with Iran alone or in alliance with other CIS countries.

    It is absolutely unbelievable at this time and it is unlikely in the future that the fleets of the CIS countries will confront each other in a combat clash. But with Iran, a completely different calico.

    Iran still opposes the agreed position of the CIS countries on the demarcation of borders in the Caspian. Roughly speaking, Iran sets such conditions to be able to extract oil off the coast of Azerbaijan or Russia. And the policy of the orthodox, religious authorities of Iran is not served at all to analytics and forecast. The ayatollah will wake up from the wrong foot and boldly declare that he wants to establish a NEW ISLAMIC border on the Caspian Sea and a NEW ISLAMIC ORDER in the Caspian countries.

    This is where the threat to peace in the Caspian comes from. The CIS countries are badly peaceful, but they will somehow agree, as problems arise. Talking with ayatollahs is almost impossible.
    1. romb
      romb 15 September 2012 14: 54
      +3
      Dear Beck! You are a little mistaken, the Iranians are definitely not our enemies. I have to communicate with them, and I can say that they are quite adequate comrades, for whom the countries of the Caspian region are certainly not enemies. They are even in their own way glad that at least one "site" still has a comparative calmness.
      Now, if Iran "falls down" in the near future, then it is quite possible that a real round of tension will begin in the Caspian Sea, which may end with the emergence of military bases of NATO countries.
      1. Beck
        Beck 15 September 2012 15: 41
        +1
        Rhombus.

        So I did not talk about the Iranian people. I talked about those in power, about the Ayatollahs. They they do all indecent.

        Even if they overthrow the ayatollah in Iran, but the Americans will not build their bases on the southern coast of the Caspian. It is expensive. It is far. It's complicated. Everything can be seen from space. That the United States has no other problems than stumbling upon diplomatic bayonets of the Caspian countries. Of interest, and only at this point, is Iran’s nuclear program. There will be no such threat and the Iranian people will live in peace.

        And about the NATO base and say nothing. Europeans honor the written obligations. And the NATO charter states that the organization’s action will extend to Europe, North America and the adjacent water areas.
        1. romb
          romb 15 September 2012 17: 16
          +2
          At the moment, for us (the Caspian states), the "regime" of religious ayatollahs is much less dangerous than the "de-democratized" Iran. By that time, most likely, the Persians will be helped to focus on the new enemy, namely, on us - the northern "kafirs". The Americans benefit from this scenario for many reasons, for example, having received unhindered access to Iranian fields, they will not really need the Caspian hydrocarbons. At the same time, two birds with one stone are killed, in particular, the gradual reorientation of the enemy's image from Saudi Arabia and Qatar (as the main suppliers of the West) towards the same Caspian states. Second, there is an additional opportunity to put a spoke in the wheels of Chinese and Russian interests in the region.
          1. Beck
            Beck 15 September 2012 18: 06
            +1
            Rhombus.

            "At the moment, for us (the Caspian states), the" regime "of the religious ayatollahs is much less dangerous than the" de-democratized "Iran."

            Strongly disagrees with these. Nobody and the United States in that chile want to democratize Iran. They want to live in the Middle Ages, their business. The civilized world only requires a refusal to implement a military nuclear program. Ayatollahs will refuse from nuclear weapons and no one will climb to overthrow them. The United States and one soldier will not sacrifice for this.

            The United States and now do not need Iranian hydrocarbons. And nowhere else in the world does the United States pump oil for free. They are buying it. They don’t take Iraq for free, but buy it. Moreover, the United States purchases more than 50% of its oil demand from Venezuela. Compare - to bring oil from the Persian Gulf to the United States or from Venezuela. There is no need to be an economist here either.

            As for security. In Kazakhstan, as you know, religious extremists have intensified. Iranian ayatollahs have publicly stated that they will establish a New Islamic Order in the world. If they get nuclear weapons they will deliver an ultimatum to the whole world. In particular, to Kazakhstan for the persecution of their brothers in faith or for the opportunity to drill Iranian wells 5 kilometers from the Kazakh coast. Then they will not be stopped by boats. Iranians are Shiites, believing Kazakhstanis are Sunnis. As Iraqi Sunnis and Shiites are cutting each other today, so the Ayatollah Shiite Iran will be able to cut the Sunnis of Kazakhstan with a nuclear knife.
            1. romb
              romb 15 September 2012 19: 28
              +2
              In vain you about the Middle Ages! Iran is a very well developed country. For example, at the same world championships in robotics, the Persians very often occupy at least prizes.
              And the existence of the Iranian nuclear program contains more various speculations than confirmed facts. In addition, if such a program really exists, then the West itself is to blame, since it is the "civilized" world that has been trying, under any pretext, to press Iran under any pretext for more than thirty years now, thereby actually pushing this country according to a long-planned scenario.
              1. Beck
                Beck 15 September 2012 19: 56
                +1
                Rhombus.

                Well, about the Middle Ages for the entire Iranian people, I went too far, but at the expense of the ayatollah 100%.

                So that there is no speculation, why should Iran not allow the IAEA to enter its nuclear facilities. And there would be no speculation. Of course, there were some historical events in Iran. All countries have them.

                The main problem with Iran. The civilized world is always serious about the statements of the leaders of the countries. This is not Vanka drunk blurted out. The Ayatollahs and the Iranian President have repeatedly threatened to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Destroy Saudi Arabia. How, after this, to consider Iran’s aspirations to possess nuclear weapons? Only wary in the light of the security of the region.

                Example. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. But the leaders of Pakistan never stated that they would establish the New Islamic Order or destroy any neighboring state. Pakistan has never even threatened its enemy in India with nuclear weapons. And India did not threaten Pakistan. Just everyone knows that they have nuclear weapons. And this is a deterrent in itself.

                Pakistan is an Islamic country. Has nuclear weapons. No one is threatened with destruction. Does not establish new orders. And the world community is calm about the fact that Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
                1. romb
                  romb 15 September 2012 20: 50
                  0
                  Beck! In general, they have already admitted specialists from the IAEA to certain facilities. It ended with the fact that the list of suspicious objects grew rapidly, and the requirements set began to go off scale. In addition, a somewhat similar scenario that took place in Iraq did not help the same Saddam to stop the invasion. Therefore, since Iran believes that a military operation against them is only a matter of time (which, by the way, the Americans refute), therefore, no pacifist sentiments will help the Iranian leadership change the main thing, namely, the established opinion about the inevitability of the fall of the existing "regime" of Iran. So they think that if they have to butt so why once again seem pink and fluffy.
  6. MURANO
    MURANO 15 September 2012 13: 21
    +2
    A slight inaccuracy in the composition of the weapons "Cheetah"
    Tatarstan-2x4 SCRC "Uranus"
    Dagestan-1x8 RK "Caliber"
  7. Stasi.
    Stasi. 15 September 2012 15: 00
    +2
    The Caspian region has strategic value due to oil and gas deposits. It is good that the Russian fleet in the Caspian has complete domination. The author forgot to mention more about naval aviation, and in modern wars, aviation is of key importance. In addition to ships, fleets should also be equipped with new types of equipment - ekranoplanes. They were used even in the USSR, according to some experts, the ekranoplan has great capabilities for conducting combat at sea, in comparison with a conventional ship. Ekranoplanes are needed on all of our fleets.
  8. bask
    bask 15 September 2012 16: 51
    +2
    I agree. The Caspian region is of strategic importance. And not only for the presence of hydrocarbons. Here lies the sea border with Iran. There is an intersection of nat. interests of Russia, Turkey and NATO countries. And how the United States brazenly rushes into this region. It is necessary to increase the number of marine corps besides surface ships. And finally completely re-equip BMP3F with new soldiers .. Sprup, self-propelled guns Vienna. Build new landing ships. Create a full fleet from the flotilla . The region is already very strategic and unstable, war may break out at any moment. Russia must adequately respond if something happens.
  9. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 15 September 2012 18: 13
    0
    Once we sent troops to Iran! And the Iranians do not recall this event in a single word in reproach to us! Oh! It was necessary for Iran not to give Iraq for destruction! That would be agreed in one fist.
    It is obvious that the United States is waging war against countries that it dislikes today, and tomorrow against those who were normal yesterday!

    When will the aggressor end? angry
  10. nnnnnnnnn
    nnnnnnnnn 15 September 2012 20: 47
    +2
    The flagship of the Kazakh flotilla is the only Kazakhstan missile boat of project 20971. It was developed by the Russian Almaz Central Design Bureau and built at the Zenit Kazakh plant in Uralsk. The base of the ship’s armament is eight X-35 anti-ship missiles. RAVE!!! The author was smoked or he was paid money in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan. This boat doesn’t have missiles if you call anti-ship missiles the installation of MLRS on the stern with 14 guides! Air defense two NEEDLES !?
    In the coming years, Kazakhstan will receive three missile boats of the Yoon Young-ha type, ordered in South Korea. NO and DO NOT ORDER !!! Three more Korean-made boats, but only with artillery weapons, were received in the middle of the two thousandth. fellow built by the Americans in the mid-60s and donated to the Koreans, well, the Koreans gave Kazakhstan a symbolic price of 100 bucks each. This is Shapshan ”(“ Quick ”), ---- without a single screw, rusted“ Batyr ”(“ Brave ”) and“ Iset ”(“ Undaunted ”) rusted screws bent ...
    A little earlier, Astana bought from Turkey one patrol boat of the Turk project burned down in 2005, it was sold for a long time on metal !!!
    The most popular class of equipment in the Navy of Kazakhstan are patrol boats, of which there are more than fifty. It is noteworthy that most of the patrol boats that went into operation after the collapse of the USSR were built by Kazakhstan either independently or with the help of Russia. wassat fellow the author obviously has something to smoke, the boats in Russia never built anything, they just bought a hydrograph, in Kazakhstan they built 8 boats, the Americans wrote off which were received under the non-proliferation treaty
  11. Husseyn
    Husseyn 19 September 2012 01: 47
    -2
    nnnnnnnnn, the author does not smoke, but inflates the composition and armament of the fleets of the Caspian states, justifies the arms race and Russia's training. The question is what is this?
    With the collapse of the USSR, Russia received only a shred from the coastline of the Black Sea, but quickly expanded at the expense of Georgia, effectively annexing Abkhazia, de jure is now an independent state or separatists not controlled by Tbilisi, as you like. Nothing happened with Crimea.
    The same story with the Caspian, inherited from the USSR got a stub where, if grown-up, then the flotillas and in the current composition have nowhere to turn around.
    Strengthening the Caspian flotilla, preparing for the expansion of its holdings in the Caspian Sea, and this is possible only at the expense of Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan, or those who are together.
    It seems incredible and nonsense, but it will be so.
    1. Beck
      Beck 19 September 2012 10: 13
      0
      Nisenu.

      How many years have you been sleeping? What is the confrontation between Russia and Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. They have already agreed on all issues, as expected, in good neighborly terms. This is Iran driving the wave. No strategist of you.
  12. Husseyn
    Husseyn 19 September 2012 12: 58
    +1
    Beck, I do not pretend to be a strategist :) The fact that Iran is driving a wave is another matter, it infringes on the interests of Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan, and not Russia, and there will not be enough wave to drive against the last, even if the Russian Navy in the Caspian will be represented by only one motor a boat under the Andreev flag, and even Iran have atomic weapons.
    Hence I repeat the question, why do we need to build up forces in the Caspian?

    "Neighborly" - I go to say hello, smile at my neighbor, it seems like they have divided the gardens, the neighbor also smiles in response, just starts building a pillbox in the garden opposite my windows, a machine-gun nest appears in the attic, etc.

    Sheep and the wolf agreed ...

    Before someone begins to write an answer and comments, I’m not an enemy of Russia and I’m not tolerant, I just don’t understand traveling around Russia, there are so many unresolved problems, the economy is colossus with feet of clay, the population still lives in the 19th century, but to hell with this, after all, is an internal affair and the population deserves their kings, once reconciled. The question is different, are there real states having one or another claim to Russia, including territorial and there are Caspian states, which, being both part of the Empire and the USSR, and becoming independent, NEVER caused any special problems and were always loyal. One half of the population is Russian, the other one third of the population in Russia. Everything seems to be normal, why create tension? Moreover, after the collapse with South Ossetia, confidence was even more lost.
    1. Beck
      Beck 19 September 2012 13: 25
      0
      Nisenu.

      Sorry for the harshness. I thought you blurted out without thinking. I see the analysis is.

      I already wrote above that flotillas are needed by states as a maritime attribute of statehood. It is like a hymn and a flag.

      I think that Russia is not building up and modernizing its flotilla. Other CIS countries are the same. The CIS countries of the Caspian have agreed on a position on the division of the Caspian. The position is as follows. The waters are neutral, there is only a 3-mile zone of coastal territorial waters. That is, swimming is problem-free. The bottom of the Caspian is a continuation of the land border. The border goes along the bottom of the sea for hundreds of kilometers. That is, only Russia has the right to produce hydrocarbons in the section of the bottom adjacent to the bottom of Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. That is, 100 kilometers from its territorial waters. And no one else. Also Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Iran on their bottom sections.

      Iran does not agree with this. He insists that the bottom, like the waters, should be neutral, only a 3 mile bottom zone corresponding to territorial waters. And that means Iran wants to extract oil 5 kilometers from the Russian coast or Azerbaijan.

      And the last, before using nuclear weapons, you can after all drive off Iranian oil platforms and artillery ships.
      1. Husseyn
        Husseyn 19 September 2012 14: 28
        0
        Yes, what is the use of nuclear weapons :))), I have already rubbed the posts, "seeing" there a call, etc. and prst :))).
        Symbol by symbol, no problem, everyone can paint the basin gray and raise a flag on it.
        Of course, Russia, like any state, can drive off platforms, and of course only when they try to extract oil on the Russian section of the bottom or CSTO ally, at his request.
        Economic interests at sea are usually resolved with the help of patrol boats and corvettes, which are more than enough for 76mm cannons, ZAK or ZRAK, often carry a helicopter for patrolling and rescue at sea.
        But the fact is that patrol ships are not built and built to protect economic interests, but of a completely different class and purpose, and arming them involves striking not only at sea targets, but also at land targets. As a result, even a CSTO partner and a good neighbor, as you put it :) I won’t point a finger at anyone :))), I also have to get involved in an arms race and buy a coastal missile system, and not from Russia, an ally (strange, right?), and the French (Exocet), by the way, the buyer guaranteed the seller, which will ensure the impossibility of access to technologies and systems for study by a third party. Why would it be, I'm talking about a purchase? ...
        All this only creates tension in the Caspian basin and is clearly not done to protect its own part of the Caspian bottom.
        As a result of such a policy, everyone fearing for their sovereignty and their interests begins to be friends with "anyone" openly or secretly against Russia, and at such forums Russians will, and even often ask, why all "brothers" and "good neighbors" run away and why "nobody loves us". There is no love based on fear, blackmail and threats.
        1. Beck
          Beck 19 September 2012 14: 44
          0
          Hussein.

          I agree. There is a big, big reason in your analysis.
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 19 September 2012 17: 54
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      Husseyn,

      HUSSEIN! You don’t need to worry, breathe calmly, against you, and do not think anything!
      Just - SOUTH, not very calm! And in general, this is a new strategy of our country!
      There should also be mobile armed groups in the north and south to repel possible aggressions against our country! Does it seem to you like that? But it seemed to us a terrible misunderstanding and stupidity that our country has no armed forces in the south! And since the Black Sea Fleet does not have the right to expand without the permission of Ukraine, it is possible that, if necessary, the Black Sea Fleet will be strengthened at the expense of the Baltic Fleet.
      (I don’t know if the draft will allow the transfer) And sailors to replenish the L / s of the Black Sea Fleet -
      big deal.
      That's about it!
  13. Husseyn
    Husseyn 19 September 2012 19: 52
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    You don’t need to worry, breathe calmly, against you, and do not think anything!
    This, as I understand it, is a quote from the words of Barak Huseynovich Vladimir Vladimirovich about missile defense in Europe? ...
    Comforted ... :)