Croatian press called Ukraine "a black hole involving the US, EU and Russia"

Washington was cruelly mistaken when it decided that after its victory over the Soviet Union in the Cold War, the end had come. stories, that is, America will reign supreme over the world, without fear of any problems from any side. And instead of trying to create and control the world order, the United States itself has become perhaps the main driver of global instability.

This is the reasoning of an expert from Croatia Zoran Meter, whose article was published by Geopolitika.news.

There are other seemingly insignificant factors, underestimation of which can create serious problems even for the most influential world powers. In particular, the Croatian press called Ukraine a "black hole" involving the United States, the European Union and Russia.

Meter tried to analyze the possible consequences of the events that took place in the near future around Ukraine. He is referring to the large supplies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of weapons from the United States, the visit of the American Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin to Kiev and the visit to Moscow of the representative of the US State Department Victoria Nuland.

According to the author, Washington is playing a double game with Ukraine. On the one hand, he sends Austin to Ukraine, who assures her of his support. On the other hand, Nuland goes to Moscow to conclude a deal: Washington does not interfere with Putin's actions towards Ukraine, but in return expects that Moscow will remain neutral in the event of a US-China conflict.

Kiev is trying with all its might to involve the West in a direct conflict with Russia, playing the role of a "black hole" pulling the Russian Federation and Western countries into itself and capable of kindling a global war. But the United States and Europe will by no means begin to fight for Ukraine, for them it does not play any strategic importance, especially for the Americans. It is more than enough for them to keep the sluggish armed conflict near the Russian borders smoldering, distracting Moscow's attention from other regions.

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[Victor_B]

According to the author, Washington is playing a double game with Ukraine. On the one hand, he sends Austin to Ukraine, who assures her of his support. On the other hand, Nuland goes to Moscow to conclude a deal: Washington does not interfere with Putin's actions towards Ukraine, but in return expects that Moscow will remain neutral in the event of a US-China conflict.

Again zrada!
And Putin reached out to Croatia!
(IN КГБ Putin's long arms!)

[Finches]

Meter - undoubtedly will hire the Kremlin's "bloody" regime of the apartment sold for free connection to gas (bypassing the Ukrainian gas transportation system)!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Finches

Meter - undoubtedly will hire the Kremlin "bloody" regime sold for free connection of the apartment to the gas!

Eugene does not need to write this .. Tomorrow your headline will appear in all the world's media!

[Tatyana]

I absolutely agree with the HONEST and politically literate opinion of the author of the article from Croatia!
I even wonder how old he is, where, when and what university he graduated from!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Tatiana

I absolutely agree with the HONEST and politically literate opinion of the author of the article from Croatia!
I even wonder how old he is, where, when and what university he graduated from!

I hope Tatyana that the author is from a new generation, they begin to understand what to what and where certain world forces are driving the peoples

[mitroha]

The Croatian press called Ukraine “a black hole,

Already a self-contained phrase

[Wolf]

He graduated from a university in Croatia in 1991. Exactly such a role was played by Croatia and Croatia in place with Slovenia and the Bosnian Muslims in the former Yugoslavia.
He didn’t write it, except that he didn’t write that Ukraine doesn’t play but politicians on the authorities in Ukraine which are controlled by the United States, London, Berlin and which they brought to power with a coup, as it was in Yugoslavia.
The recipe was tried in Yugoslavia and worked as planned. Ukraine copy USTASHKO NAZI CROATIA !!!

[Tatyana]

Thank you Wolf for your interesting comment!
From me to you +
I even translated your comment into a more understandable form in Russian, so that the participants and readers of "VO" could more easily and accurately understand you. Namely.

He graduated from a university in Croatia in 1991.
Exactly the same role was played by the Croats and Croatia along with the Muslims of Slovenia and Bosnia in the former Yugoslavia. Only he didn't write it.
In addition, he did not write that such things are decided not so much by the Ukrainians themselves, but by the politicians in the power of Ukraine, which are controlled by the United States, London, Berlin and whom they brought to power as a result of a coup, as was the case in Yugoslavia.
The recipe tested in Yugoslavia, according to the plans of the West, worked in Ukraine. Ukraine is a copy of USTASHKO NAZI CROATIA !!!

Your comparing the Banderloid Nazi-Russophobes in the power of Ukraine with the Ustasha of Nazi Croatia is a very FRESH and INTERESTING political thought!

REFERENCE
Get tired (from the Croatian Ustaše - "rebels") - a nationalist organization that originated in the Balkan Peninsula with the support of Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler at the turn of the 1920s and 1930s. Relying on the ideology of the Axis countries, they promoted serbophobia and anti-Semitism.

[Rubos]

Thanks for the translation

[mikh-korsakov]

And really. The article itself is an example of deceitful bourgeois journalism. Why? Most people don't read the original articles, but read the headlines - there is too much information flow. From the headline it follows that the Croatian press is all in a single burst of despondency because the Ukrobanderites want to drag the USA and the Russian Federation (it must be understood that the whole world, including Croatia) into a black hole. I was not too lazy to see what the Croatian press is doing. A lot of ads, such as a bunch of noise for sale, do not think badly - a house with a forest is for sale. Lace panties are not ignored, well, that's sacred. The overwhelming majority of the Croatian press does not give a damn about the black hole. If we take political articles, then they go into hysterics from Russophobia - in general, everything is according to the manual. If the author titled the article "Zoran Meter ..." or a Croatian publicist ... "everything would be all right - and it looks like a cheap sensation. But someone will read the title and go to stock up on pasta, what if tomorrow comes" black hole ".

[Orange bigg]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

And really. The article itself is an example of deceitful bourgeois journalism. Why? Most people don't read the original articles, but read the headlines - there is too much information flow. From the headline it follows that the Croatian press is all in a single burst of despondency because the Ukrobanderites want to drag the USA and the Russian Federation (it must be understood that the whole world, including Croatia) into a black hole. I was not too lazy to see what the Croatian press is doing. A lot of ads, such as a bunch of noise for sale, do not think badly - a house with a forest is for sale. Lace panties are not ignored, well, that's sacred. The overwhelming majority of the Croatian press does not give a damn about the black hole. If we take political articles, then they go into hysterics from Russophobia - in general, everything is according to the manual. If the author titled the article "Zoran Meter ..." or a Croatian publicist ... "everything would be all right - and it looks like a cheap sensation. But someone will read the title and go to stock up on pasta, what if tomorrow comes" black hole ".

Original. Check out what the author had in mind: This is analytics, not a cheap sensation.

In my opinion, Nuland wanted to offer Moscow a "carrot" in the form of a "freeze" of the conflict in Ukraine and the so-called strategic stability in exchange for the fact that Russia would not interfere in the battle between the United States and China, that is, in the cold war with Beijing ( that is how Washington recently put it), which has already begun and which will drag on for a very long time (longer than the US-Soviet Cold War).

Translated from diplomatic into good old Russian, this means that in this conflict of titans, Moscow should at least remain neutral, that is, not enter into any kind of alliance with Beijing.

For some reason known only to Americans, Washington stubbornly believes in the illusion of Russia returning to the framework of American global interests (and without any initiative from Washington in the form of concrete proposals to Moscow). For example, the former American ambassador to Ukraine in 2003-2006, John Herbst, one of the leading figures of the American think tank Atlantic Council (by the way, in his opinion, there is a benefit from Nuland's visit to Moscow), said that in ten to twenty years Washington and Moscow will become partners who will work together to counter the threats posed by Beijing. Let me remind you that Herbst is one of the leading American geopolitical experts.

On the other hand, many Russian analysts believe that Washington's main goal is to drag Ukraine into a proxy war with Russia, and the only thing that hinders it is the complete unpredictability, uncontrollability and irreversibility of the process, which can have extremely serious consequences, including for America itself. It is difficult to deny such considerations in logic, but I would still prefer to stay in the realm of the real (and not the US-Russian war) and note two things.

First, despite the sharp rhetoric against each other, sanctions and demonstrations of "muscles", neither side (neither the United States nor Russia) is interested in the Third World War (China, of course, adheres to the same opinion).

Secondly, Ukraine as such, like Crimea, which, by the way, miraculously disappeared from the agenda of US-Russian negotiations, unlike Donbass, is not as important to American global interests as one might think from reading and listening to the media. Even the entire Black Sea basin as a whole is not so important for the United States, not only because of the geographic remoteness and the dominant Russian military presence there, but also because important energy routes for the United States do not pass through this sea and American merchant ships do not sail there. All this (Ukraine, Crimea ...) Washington uses mainly as a means of pressure on Moscow, trying to limit the spread of its interests to the west - to the EU. No more. Washington does not intend to go to war with Russia over Ukraine, and it never will. The only thing he needs is an unstable (unresolved problems with Russia) but obedient Ukraine, which angers Moscow and distracts its political and military attention, thereby limiting its ability to promote its interests in other regions of the world.

... For all these reasons, Washington does not need escalation in the Donbass, just as Kiev does not need statements that in the event of a failure of diplomacy (and it has already failed), it will solve this problem by military methods. Such a scenario would inevitably lead to an open Russian armed intervention in Ukraine and, most likely, to the loss of its independence, as recently announced by Vladimir Putin. Therefore, the Biden administration will do everything it can to curb Kiev's risky military ambitions, while simultaneously sending it weapons and allowing it to stage controlled provocations. But along with weapons, American Defense Secretary Austin arrived in Kiev. He certainly did not come as a tourist to see the beauty of the Ukrainian capital. No, he came to remind President Zelensky and the Ukrainian leadership who is in fact the master of their "life and death" and who is in fact in charge of Ukrainian security. At the same time, all the statements made by Austin during the visit, including: "We leave the doors to NATO open for Ukraine" and "Ukrainian Crimea, and Russia is the aggressor," are just pathetic phrases intended for the public. After all, Washington cannot now directly tell Kiev that, they say, forget about NATO and the return of Crimea, since Moscow will not allow this. By doing so, the United States would harm its own image and undermine its credibility in the eyes of its allies and partners. The United States has another task, which has been standing for 30 years now - to ensure the continuation of the policy of all-round distancing of Ukraine from Russia and to thwart any attempt to normalize relations between Kiev and Moscow, since there are many who would like this in both countries. Only the militarists and the insane, who have nothing to lose, can enjoy life when the constant threat of war hangs over their heads.

Hence the following conclusion. Victoria Nuland and everyone else from the top of American diplomacy and politics will sincerely strive for peace in Donbass and in Ukraine in general only if there is a real danger of open Russian armed intervention in this country (then the United States risks finally losing not only Donbass, which is true , not so important, but most of Ukraine). Something similar happened when President Biden unexpectedly called President Putin at night (and shortly before that in an interview with ABC called him a murderer) at a time when thousands of Russian tanks and soldiers stood on the Russian border with Ukraine, ready to move to help the rebels in Donbass. Ukraine was planning an armed operation against them, and Kiev previously announced this, concentrating its troops on the demarcation line. Biden then suggested that Putin hold a joint summit as soon as possible, which took place in Geneva in June and which, as we see, did not lead to concrete results. Moreover, relations between the two countries continue to deteriorate, trust is finally lost, and not today tomorrow, ties may be completely severed for a long time.

Washington is not yet ready to accept this complete break in relations, since it does not want any closer rapprochement between Moscow and Beijing on the basis of enmity with the United States. On the other hand, Washington is not doing anything concrete to prevent this, unreasonably expecting that Russia, in such circumstances, will turn its back on its key strategic partner - China. American analysts warn Moscow that Beijing will "stab it in the back" and that many Chinese historians and, for example, the Chinese ambassador to Pakistan, talk about Vladivostok as a Chinese city and so on. But Moscow's position in this regard is clear and, on the whole, boils down to the formula: "Do not frighten us with China in vain." At the same time, the Russians note that at the beginning of the XNUMXst century, for the first time in a thousand years, Russia and China signed a border agreement and solved all border problems.

https://inosmi.ru/politic/20211106/250849258.html

[mikh-korsakov]

Alexander. I beg your pardon. I didn’t put it exactly. I did not read the article by Zoran Meter, I was content with the comments given in VO by an anonymous author. Thank you for posting the text. I was outraged by the wording "Croatian press" as an example of shameless journalism, as if the entire Croatian press does nothing but fear a black hole. In general, I have a specific attitude towards political scientists. The best of them clearly explain what happened and what is happening. But none of them predicts correctly what will happen. How many political scientists have predicted that Ukraine is about to fall apart. And it is only growing militarily, forcing the Russian Federation to spend money on compensation.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

Meter - undoubtedly will hire the Kremlin "bloody" regime sold for free connection of the apartment to the gas!

Now his "democracy", both with them and with us, will begin to "stigmatize."

[Covid]

Quote: Victor_B

On the one hand, he sends Austin to Ukraine, who assures her of his support. On the other hand, Nuland goes to Moscow to make a deal:

After Austin's trip, a decision was made to increase the supply of weapons to Ukraine. After Nuland's trip, a reward is assigned for the heads of the Russian hackers. There are from 5 to 10 million. Will the guys withstand, won't they start selling their colleagues? Against the background of many cases of treason in the Russian Federation, it can be concluded that patriotism in the ranks is not very strong.

[knn54]

Financially, and "Black Hole" does not guess
“In my opinion, the United States pursues two goals in relations with Ukraine.
- First, it serves as a kind of important strategic buffer between NATO and Russia.
Secondly, its independence is a guarantee that Russia will not turn into an imperial state. "
(one senior Pentagon official).
Ie "And not a friend, and not an enemy, but so."

[svp67]

Croats ????? About tse ZRADA ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: svp67

Croats ????? About tse ZRADA ...

Even Croatians began to understand this deceitful Western policy, leading nowhere from their greed and lust for blood.

[askort154]

Well done Meter! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. It's just a pity that this will only be heard in Russia.

[SKVichyakow]

Ukraine is more like a whirligig. Twists it and who is not lazy, because it is only for this and is intended. And when they get bored, they throw it into the far corner and switch to another "toy".

[rotmistr60]

The United States and Europe will by no means go to war for Ukraine

So this has already been understood by everyone except the Ukrainians themselves, who are still bawling that "the whole world is with us," "abroad will help us" ... It will help - it will squeeze it out like a lemon, and throw the skin on the sidelines of history. Then this country or what is left of it will begin to look for, and who is her own by blood, to whom to cling to, to whom to repent.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rotmistr60

Then this country or what is left of it will begin to look for, and who is her own by blood, to whom to cling to, to whom to repent.

And again, to whom to stick to, as in 1654, the new Pereyaslavl Rada.

[Mountain shooter]

It even dawned on the Croats that no one would fight Russia for races. Only Banderlog people still believe!

[Vladimir61]

Quote: askort154

It's just a pity that this will only be heard in Russia.

And who in the world, except for political Russophobes, cares about the real socio-political situation in Ukraine? Nobody!

[Dimka75]

Who in the world, except for political Russophobes, cares about the real socio-political situation in Ukraine? Nobody!

isn’t there really anybody? already 5 article about ukraine from morning)

[Xlor]

Quote: Vladimir61

And who in the world, except for political Russophobes, cares about the real socio-political situation in Ukraine?

Excites me! So, purely laugh ...

[tihonmarine]

In particular, the Croatian press called Ukraine a "black hole", drawing in the United States, the European Union and Russia.

This is not even a hole, but a "black cesspool", but the Croat called it correctly, for a long time from the West he did not say that.

[sen]

Croatian press called Ukraine "a black hole involving the US, EU and Russia"

Horvath voiced what many in Europe have in mind, but Europe is subject to US pressure.

[Wolf]

He graduated from a university in Croatia in 1991. Exactly such a role was played by Croatia and Croatia in place with Slovenia and the Bosnian Muslims in the former Yugoslavia.
He didn’t write it, except that he didn’t write that Ukraine doesn’t play but politicians on the authorities in Ukraine which are controlled by the United States, London, Berlin and which they brought to power with a coup, as it was in Yugoslavia.
The recipe was tried in Yugoslavia and worked as planned. Ukraine copy USTASHKO NAZI CROATIA !!! 

[Wolf]

Impunity for Zlochinov multiplies EVIL in this world. The impunity of the villains to the Croatian Nazi state gave rise to both Kosovo and Bosnia and Ukraine !!!

[Wolf]

Like impunity, evil in Libya gave birth to Siriu !!!

[Wolf]

This is the world principle of BALANCE when it starts to be violated, and this passes without punishment, it multiplies exponentially.

[123456789]

Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly justifying you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.

Even the most favorable outcome of the war will never lead to the disintegration of the main power of Russia. Russians, even if they are dismembered by international treatises, will just as quickly reunite with each other as particles of a cut piece of mercury. This is an indestructible state of the Russian nation, strong in its climate, its spaces and limited needs.
Here are Bismarck's most famous quotes about Russia.

[agoran]

404, as an artificial education, is not initially viable.
How is there about Confucius? They will devour themselves. RF should never get into a squabble.
To supply modern weapons to the LDNR with instructors, but a very timely topic.