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Military drones based on decommissioned aircraft

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In the last decade, in a number of countries, work is underway to convert decommissioned aircraft into decoys or even carriers. aviation means of destruction. Such unmanned aerial vehicles, moving in the first wave of aviation means of attack, ahead of manned fighter-bombers, should clear the way for them, taking on the strikes of anti-aircraft missiles and attacks of fighter-interceptors available on the defending side, and identify the location of anti-aircraft positions and radar stations. When suspending aircraft weapons, destroy detected air defense missile systems, surveillance radars and attack other targets. Currently, on the basis of manned aircraft, transport drones are being created, designed to deliver goods to areas where there is a high probability of shooting down a manned military transport aircraft.


Unmanned An-2 in combat on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh



In September-October 2020, during the hostilities on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, the Azerbaijani side very actively and effectively used remotely piloted vehicles and patrolling guided munitions, mainly of Turkish and Israeli origin.

According to information published in the American media in early 2020, the Azerbaijani armed forces had 2 Israeli reconnaissance and patrol drones Heron TP, 2 Hermes 900 and 10 Hermes 4507, about a hundred kamikaze drones Sky Striker and fifty Harop. Azad systems, a joint venture with Israel, produced the Aerostar reconnaissance drones and Orbiter kamikaze drones.

The "star" of this conflict was a Turkish-made UAV Bayraktar TB2. According to unconfirmed reports, by the beginning of the conflict, Azerbaijan could have up to two dozen such remotely controlled devices.

The official Russian media were very restrained in their comments on the course of the conflict and the reasons for the defeat of the Armenian forces. However, Western experts did not hesitate to comment, which in combination with the videos published on the Internet made it possible to objectively judge what had happened.

Based on the available information, it can be concluded that the command of the armed forces of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic was not ready for war and made gross miscalculations in the planning of hostilities. Errors in ensuring the camouflage of military installations, planning the actions of reconnaissance means, combat control, electronic countermeasures and air defense had a particularly catastrophic effect.

As an excuse for the defeat of the Armenian side, the argument is often cited that on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh there were mainly outdated Soviet-made air defense systems. This, of course, is an important factor, but based on the information available in the public domain, it can be concluded that the calculations of anti-aircraft missile systems in most cases acted illiterately, did not receive external target designation and often had no connection with the higher echelon. In turn, the NKR military leadership was unable to establish effective work, albeit partly outdated, but quite capable air defense systems, their interaction, mutual cover, camouflage and timely change of positions.

All this led to the fact that the Azerbaijani military managed to suppress the enemy's air defense system and, having achieved air supremacy, turn the course of hostilities in their favor.

An interesting and indicative moment of the Second Karabakh War was the use of outdated An-2 aircraft to open the air defense system of the defending side. According to information published in open sources, Azerbaijan has converted a significant number of obsolete biplanes into radio-controlled drones.

These aircraft, being on the verge of depletion of a resource, were converted into UAVs in order to "clear the way" for modern Azerbaijani drones and Su-25 attack aircraft.

Azerbaijan inherited more than 70 biplanes from the USSR, but by now they are at the end of their life cycle. Satellite images taken shortly before the start of the conflict recorded about 265 An-60 aircraft at the Yevlakh military airfield, located 2 km west of Baku.


Satellite image of Google Earth: An-2 aircraft at the Yevlakh airfield, the image was taken in July 2020

It must be said that such an approach to the use of machines that have exhausted their resource and are subject to a quick write-off is quite justified. Being a low-speed, fairly large aircraft, clearly visible visually and on radar screens, the unmanned An-2 forced the NKR air defense system to respond, distracted from more important targets, forced to spend missiles on itself and unmasked anti-aircraft positions, which were subsequently struck by modern drones.

Military drones based on decommissioned aircraft

At least 10 Azerbaijani An-2s were shot down in the conflict zone. The single information center of Nagorno-Karabakh reported on 18 shot down enemy aircraft, without specifying their type.


Satellite image of Google Earth: An-2 aircraft at the Yevlakh airfield, the image was taken in October 2021

However, in fact, Azerbaijan could lose, for various reasons, including a technical one, much more An-2 aircraft converted into UAVs. Satellite images taken in October 2021 show that the number of biplanes in the parking lot at the Yevlakh airfield has more than halved.

A number of sources say that the Azerbaijani An-2 were manned. After taking off, the pilot firmly fixed the controls, and was thrown out by parachute. However, this seems unlikely, since if the pilot left the plane at a considerable distance from the conflict zone, this did not guarantee that the heavily worn biplane would continue to fly in the desired direction. And parachuting in a combat zone was fraught with mortal risk.

Chinese UAVs converted from manned aircraft



Even before the aggravation of the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh, information appeared in the Chinese segment of the Internet that an unmanned modification of the Y-5B aircraft (Chinese version of the An-2) had been created in the PRC, which received the designation Feihong 98 (FH-98).

The Chinese FH-98 is positioned as the world's largest unmanned transport aircraft with a take-off weight of 5250 kg, a payload of 1500 kg and an internal cargo compartment volume of 15 m3... Maximum flight altitude - 4500 meters, cruising speed - 180 km / h, practical range - 1200 km, takeoff run with maximum load - 235 m.


The first flight of the FH-98, created by China Aerospace Science and Technology Group, took place in 2018. The tests were successful, and from the second half of 2019, the conversion of several used Y-5B aircraft into the FH-98 UAV began.


Judging by the footage shown on Chinese television, the tests were carried out by the military, and a ground station created for other Chinese reconnaissance and strike drones was used to control the cargo drone. During a demonstration flight from an unmanned biplane, a cargo container was dropped by parachute at a given point.

The main purpose of the FH-98 UAV is to deliver cargo to areas where the likelihood of a manned transport aircraft or helicopter being shot down by the enemy is too high. In addition, the drone can also be used for dropping large-caliber aircraft ammunition, laying mines and as a decoy.

Work on creating its own drones began in China in the second half of the 1960s. The first Chinese UAVs to enter serial production were created by Xi'an Northwest Polytechnic University. The Va-2 and Va-7 devices entered service in the early 1970s and were intended to train anti-aircraft artillery crews. These were very simple and cheap radio-controlled targets made of plywood with piston engines, launched by solid fuel boosters from a towed launcher.

In 1976, the release of the SK-1 (ChangKong-1) UAV was launched, which in many ways was a copy of the Soviet La-17 radio-controlled target. In addition to training the calculations of the HQ-2 air defense system (the Chinese version of the C-75) and the development of new anti-aircraft missiles, a modification of the SK-1V was created, designed for sampling during nuclear tests. This unmanned vehicle was used for the first time in "combat conditions" at the Lop Nor test site in 1978, ending the extremely dangerous practice of using manned aircraft to take samples from a nuclear explosion cloud.

In the early 1980s, the conversion into radio-controlled targets of the exhausted airframes of the J-5 and JJ-5 jet aircraft (single and double modifications of the MiG-17 fighter) began. The target, created on the basis of a single-seat fighter, received the designation Ва-5, and on the basis of the TCB - Ва-5i.


JJ-5 combat trainer

The Ba-5 and Ba-5i radio-controlled aircraft, which are still in use, are capable of independently taking off and landing. In order to change the radar and thermal portrait, Luneberg lenses and IR simulators are installed on target aircraft. For a detailed analysis when testing new anti-aircraft systems, video recording systems were mounted on late-release unmanned targets.

As of today, most of the Ba-5 and Ba-5i unmanned aircraft are concentrated at the Hendogli airbase.

Hendogli Air Base, located in the sparsely populated northwestern part of China, in Gansu province, Inner Mongolia region, is the center of the PLA air force's combat use. According to information published in open sources, an aircraft repair enterprise operates in the vicinity of the airbase, where obsolete aircraft are converted into radio-controlled targets. Until recently, about a hundred decommissioned J-5 and JJ-5 aircraft were stored on the territory of the enterprise.


Satellite image of Google Earth: aircraft J-5 and JJ-5 parked in the vicinity of Hendogli airbase

The area is also home to the Jiuquan Cosmodrome, China's largest Dingxing Air Force Range, and the Air Defense Force Test Center, known as Site 72.

Taking into account the fact that about a dozen aerial targets have been destroyed annually at the training ground during combat firing in recent years, there are already not many unmanned aircraft Ba-5 and Ba-5i left in the PLA Air Force.


Satellite image of Google Earth: aircraft J-6 and JJ-6 parked in the vicinity of Hendogli airbase, the picture was taken in 2021

Currently, the J-6 fighters (the Chinese version of the MiG-19) and the two-seat combat training JJ-6s taken from storage are actively being converted into radio-controlled targets. The first J-6 was converted into a target in 1995.


In 2015, a story was shown on the Chinese television channel CCTV, which stated that during the Golden Helmet flight competition, J-11 fighter pilot Jiang Chiayi shot down a J-6 unmanned aerial vehicle with a rocket.

Apparently, in the future, the supersonic J-7 and J-8II will be converted into unmanned target aircraft, which are currently being replaced in the combatant regiments by the J-10, J-11 and J-16 aircraft.


Supersonic fighter J-6

By the second half of the 1970s, the J-6 fighter, designed in the early 1950s, was considered obsolete. Due to economic and technological difficulties in China, they could not fully replace the J-6 with modern front-line fighters J-7 (a copy of the MiG-21) and interceptors of their own design J-8.


After the appearance of the Su-27SK fighters in the PLA Air Force, the beginning of their licensed production at the Shenyang aircraft plant, as the aviation regiments were saturated with modern aircraft, the obsolete fighters that had not exhausted their flight life were sent to storage bases.

China officially said goodbye to the J-6 fighter in 2010. This aircraft, a copy of the Soviet MiG-19, was the most massive jet fighter in the PLA Air Force.


In total, more than 3000 J-6s were built in the version of a front-line fighter, air defense interceptor, reconnaissance aircraft and a two-seat trainer. In the mid-1970s, a small number of unmanned supersonic targets, known as Vo-6, were fired.


Outwardly, this model differs from the serial J-6 fighters, converted into unmanned modifications, by the absence of a cockpit canopy. Western sources wrote that the Vo-6 could be used as a cruise missile, but whether this is true is unknown. Compared to the manned modification, the radio-controlled target, devoid of the cockpit canopy, had a higher flight speed due to the lower drag. But, apparently, only a few Vo-6 radio-controlled aircraft were built.


JJ-6 two-seater combat trainer

After the J-6 was officially removed from service, for about another 5 years, several dozen aircraft were operated in flight test centers, where they were used for training flights, and used in research programs, saving the life of modern fighters. According to Western estimates, 700-800 J-6 fighters have been mothballed.


During the Cold War, in various regions of the PRC, about four dozen vast underground shelters for aviation equipment were created, capable of withstanding a nearby nuclear explosion. According to American data, up to 30 shelters can still be in working order.


Satellite image of Google Earth: aircraft J-6 and J-7 on the site near the entrance to the underground shelter in the vicinity of Yingchuan Air Base, in the Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region. Photo taken in October 2020

In 1990-2000, several hundred obsolete, but still suitable for further use, combat aircraft were concentrated in shelters carved into the rocks.


Satellite image of Google Earth: Lushan air base

A significant number of decommissioned aircraft are concentrated at the Lushan airbase. More than 5 J-28 fighters are stored here along with the N-300 bombers (the Chinese copy of the Il-6).


Satellite image of Google Earth: J-6 and H-5 aircraft at Lushan airbase

Approximately in 2005, work began on converting the planes being removed from service into reconnaissance and strike drones.

As in the case of radio-controlled targets, in the process of conversion, the ejection seat, oxygen system, cannon armament, sighting equipment and communication equipment were dismantled from the aircraft.


The unmanned J-6 received a radio remote control system, inertial and satellite navigation equipment. The programmable autopilot is capable of flying according to a predetermined program in the event of a loss of external control.


At the first stage, unmanned J-6s were armed with free-falling 100 and 250 kg bombs with a total weight of up to 1500 kg. With a maximum combat load, the flight range is 600 km. If necessary, drop tanks can be suspended during reconnaissance flights.


The aircraft, in the cockpit of which there is no longer a pilot, after loading the flight task into the autopilot, is able to independently go to the point with the given coordinates and carry out bombing.


In this case, area targets, such as large enterprises, military bases, airfields, oil refineries and storage facilities for fuels and lubricants, warehouses and transport hubs, may be vulnerable. It is reported that drones are also capable of laying sea mines.

Chinese sources do not say anything about other weapons of unmanned J-6s. However, it is logical to assume that, taking into account the rapid progress of the PLA in the field of electronic countermeasures systems and high-precision weapons, unmanned jet fighters, when performing missions to break through enemy air defense, can be equipped with active and passive jamming equipment, as well as anti-radar missiles designed to destroy missile guidance stations , land and sea radars of centimeter and decimeter ranges. In addition, the modified unmanned J-6 is capable of carrying reconnaissance containers, with the broadcast of information over the radio channel in real time.

Remote control of the flight over the radio channel is carried out from a ground command post or from an air command post based on the military transport Y-8 (Chinese version of the An-12).

In 2015, the Anshun airbase built the infrastructure necessary to control the UAV via satellite channels, which theoretically makes it possible to control the actions of unmanned aerial vehicles and almost instantly receive reconnaissance information from a drone located anywhere in the world. There are both stationary and mobile control and satellite communication equipment.


Satellite image of Google Earth: mobile control equipment for UAVs via satellite channels at Anshun airbase

Although the release of the J-6 and the two-seat training modification of the JJ-6 was carried out at the aircraft plant in Shenyang (now the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation), judging by the satellite images, the re-equipment of the retired fighters into drones took place at the Xi'an Aircraft Corporation.


Satellite image of Google Earth: H-6 bomber, J-8II and J-6 fighters at the Xi'an Yanliang factory airfield

There is reason to believe that in addition to the frankly outdated J-6 aircraft, relatively fresh front-line fighters J-7C / D and interceptors J-8IIH, J-8IIF, J-8IIDF are being converted into reconnaissance and strike UAVs, which is also evidenced by satellite images located in free access.


Satellite image of Google Earth: UAVs J-6 and J-7 at Longtian (Houlinkun) airbase, located 170 km from Taiwan

About 8 years ago, the PLA Air Force began the formation of separate unmanned special-purpose squadrons, equipped with radio-controlled fighters, which are directly subordinate to the command of the military districts. The main purpose of drones, which cannot be distinguished from combat fighters on radar screens, is to open the enemy's air defense system and deliver missile and bomb strikes against stationary targets with known coordinates. In peacetime, the personnel and equipment of unmanned squadrons are involved in organizing the training process of fighter aircraft and air defense forces.


Satellite image of Google Earth: UAV J-6 and AWACS aircraft KJ-500 at Liancheng airbase

Taking into account the aerodromes for the deployment of unmanned aircraft in Fujian and Guangdong provinces, it can be stated with full confidence that they are mainly intended for operations against Taiwan.

Chinese UAVs, based on obsolete fighters, are a formidable force. Based on the available data, foreign experts believe that at least 6 unmanned J-300 units are deployed in China alone.

However, these devices are not without serious drawbacks. In terms of labor intensity of maintenance, preparation time for departure and costs, they practically do not differ from manned aircraft, which requires specific ground equipment and well-trained technical personnel. In addition, the J-6 UAV is not capable of flying in formation, which means that each drone flies to the target one by one. Taking into account that the minimum launch interval is 3 minutes, it will take more than half an hour to lift a squadron of 12 vehicles into the air. This, in turn, does not allow the use of unmanned fighters in star raids, and reduces their combat effectiveness.

Nevertheless, the combat value of obsolete unmanned fighters is obvious. Their use allows you to save the most important non-renewable resource - the lives of pilots.

In the next publication, we will look at how decommissioned fighters are used in the United States, and how this is with us.

To be continued ...

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  1. Nikolay R-PM
    Nikolay R-PM 8 November 2021 07: 13
    +7
    Sergey, your manner of writing review articles is one of the reasons why I "got used" to VO. And after all, what a correct remark: the operation of UAVs, modified from the outdated types, requires essentially the same infrastructure as for the old manned aircraft and specialists with the skills to maintain and ensure the flights of these old aircraft. This is one of the cornerstones of this concept. It turns out funny "scissors": "excessively" to modify the board is economically costly, and MRO "in the old fashioned way" is laborious
    1. Civil
      Civil 8 November 2021 07: 25
      +4
      Such unmanned aerial vehicles, moving in the first wave of aircraft attack

      The war in Karabakh showed that such UAVs were used in all waves of attacks until the last days. That is, false squadrons are able to divert the main air defense forces to themselves.
    2. dauria
      dauria 8 November 2021 07: 44
      +6
      It turns out funny "scissors": "excessively" to modify the board is economically costly, and MRO "in the old fashioned way" is laborious


      The author is not quite right. There were two parts of the NIAS-78. So, in the second, intended for wartime, most of the checks were removed. And it all came down to tucked in-hung-flew. Moreover, he even ran the "what turned up". I exaggerate a little, but almost so. So there won't be much difference between the Valkyrie (Hunter) and the MiG-19 launched into the sky. There is no pilot - you can not give a damn about much. Especially in the war.
      1. Toucan
        Toucan 8 November 2021 08: 13
        +3
        Quote: dauria
        The author is not quite right.

        And what exactly is the author wrong?
      2. Bongo
        8 November 2021 15: 46
        +6
        Quote: dauria
        The author is not quite right. There were two parts of the NIAS-78. So, in the second, intended for wartime, most of the checks were removed. And it all came down to tucked in-hung-flew. Moreover, he even ran the "what turned up". I exaggerate a little, but almost so. So there won't be much difference between the Valkyrie (Hunter) and the MiG-19 launched into the sky. There is no pilot - you can not give a damn about much. Especially in the war.

        Excuse me, but now is the "special period"? In wartime, the cost of a flight hour of any aircraft will not matter much, especially since for an unmanned J-6 with a probability of 0,9 it will be a "one-way flight".
        1. dauria
          dauria 8 November 2021 17: 20
          0
          Excuse me, but now is the "special period"?


          Do not play up .. Your phrase? ".In terms of labor intensity of maintenance, preparation time for departure and costs, they practically do not differ from manned aircraft "
          Why will the pre-flight (for repeated, post-flight) training of the Hunter or Valkyrie be easier for a UAV based on the MiG-19 airframe? Especially if the alteration is factory, serial and thought out by the same designers precisely in order to reduce labor costs.
          For the Chinese, everything is going well. Dry desert climate without zero crossing for long-term storage, hundreds of ready-made gliders with the remainder of the resource (moreover, not at all calculated, but according to the norms of manned aircraft)
          Moreover, with such a supersonic sound, even at the end of the attack. It is a sin to throw it out.
          1. Bongo
            9 November 2021 01: 31
            +5
            Quote: dauria
            Do not play around ..

            If you want to communicate constructively with you, please choose the expressions.
            Quote: dauria
            Why will the pre-flight (for repeated, post-flight) training of the Hunter or Valkyrie be easier for a UAV based on the MiG-19 airframe? Especially if the alteration is factory, serial and thought out by the same designers precisely in order to reduce labor costs.
            How do the specified devices have to do with this publication? request
            For most readers (but not for you) it is quite obvious that by "manned aircraft" they meant manned J-6, we are talking about specific UAV. Of course, a drone created on the basis of this fighter is devoid of a number of systems and built-in cannon armament, which to some extent facilitates the work of ground technical personnel, but for the most part, components and assemblies are the same aircraft, requiring almost the same labor costs in preparation for fly out.
            1. dauria
              dauria 9 November 2021 05: 56
              0
              but for the most part, components and assemblies are the same aircraft,

              "Valkyrie" and "Hunter" - two vehicles with a turbojet engine. Poorly, poorly hold out to the MiG-19. Wing load, power. By weight and combat load. Not to compare with a toy "bayraktar". The engine, fuel system, hydraulic system, pneumatic system, power supply system, anti-icing and fire-prevention system, autopilot and REO complex from communication to navigation - all this one way or another is on the "Hunter" and on the "Valkyrie". It cannot but be. And you can't get away from refueling with fuel and oils, air, ammunition suspension and battery charging. The only thing that can reduce labor costs is either the VSK (built-in control) complex, or do not care at all about the control and work according to the state, relying on the resource and the calculation of the failure rate. So this can be done on the MiG.
              An unmanned MiG and any "real clean" drone with similar dimensions and performance characteristics will eat the same labor costs.
              If you want to save on maintenance - buy a box of NURS S-5 kpb and launch it directly from the ground. So they, bastard, are supposed to open and ventilate.
              1. zyablik.olga
                zyablik.olga 9 November 2021 06: 12
                +3
                Quote: dauria
                An unmanned MiG and any "real clean" drone with similar dimensions and performance characteristics will eat the same labor costs.

                Not a fact. No. The MiG-19 is a fighter aircraft created in the early 50s. It is strange to compare it with unmanned aerial vehicles created 60 years later. They will definitely have different fuel efficiency, a supersonic fighter has the worst weight perfection and requires more standard hours per flight hour.
    3. Bongo
      8 November 2021 15: 43
      +6
      Nikolay, hello!
      Quote: Nikolay R-PM
      , Your manner of writing review articles is one of the reasons why I "got used" to VO.

      Thanks! Your positive assessment as an aviation specialist is especially pleasant! drinks
      Quote: Nikolay R-PM
      And after all, what a correct remark: the operation of UAVs, modified from the outdated types, requires essentially the same infrastructure as for the old manned aircraft and specialists with the skills to maintain and ensure the flights of these old aircraft.

      Nevertheless, this approach is fully justified.
      1. Nikolay R-PM
        Nikolay R-PM 8 November 2021 19: 27
        +4
        For objectivity's sake, I am a narrow aviation specialist, only one system of units
  2. Wildcat
    Wildcat 8 November 2021 09: 45
    +8
    hi
    The article is good as always, like!
    A little about Azerbaijani An2 from bmpd:
    "To suppress the Armenian air defense system in Karabakh, the Azerbaijani Air Force command developed the operation" Karabakh chest ". This operation consisted of the following components:

    1. In order to force the enemy to deploy all its air defense systems, it was decided to organize an imitation of a massive air strike using aircraft, helicopters and UAVs. These aircraft did various maneuvers without entering the affected area of ​​the air defense.

    2. To prevent the enemy from revealing this plan, there was a decision to launch An-2 aircraft into the air defense engagement zone. The pilots sent the An-2 to the air defense affected area, while they themselves jumped out of the plane with a parachute.

    3. To make An-2 look like real combat aircraft, they were stuffed with various bombs. If the enemy had not shot down these planes, they would have been used as kamikaze drones.

    4. These false targets were supposed to force the enemy to waste expensive missiles of the Tor-M2KM complexes, which he had in limited quantities. This goal was achieved, since for some time, due to the lack of missiles, the enemy could not use the "Tor-M2KM".

    5. Further, the loitering ammunition Harop, Skystriker and Orbiter-1k, and the Bayraktar TB2 UAV, already in the air, struck at the identified air defense systems.

    6. To support the actions of UAVs and complicate the actions of the air defense system, electronic warfare means were actively used, which interfered with the operation of the enemy's air defense systems.

    7. With the help of technical means, false electronic targets were created for enemy air defense systems.

    8.With the use of Spike-NLOS missiles installed on helicopters with a range of up to 30 km, strikes were made against enemy air defense systems.

    On the first day of the operation, it was possible to destroy up to 60% of the enemy's air defense systems. Until the end of the war, the enemy was unable to open the "Karabakh chest". "

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4423495.html

    There is no YouTube video, I do not attach, the link on YouTube opens only after confirmation of age and different registrations.
    1. Liam
      Liam 8 November 2021 09: 52
      -4
      And How

      Quote: Wildcat
      If the enemy had not shot down these planes, they would have been used as kamikaze drones.

      if


      Quote: Wildcat
      The pilots sent the An-2 to the air defense affected area, while they themselves jumped out of the plane with a parachute.

      ?
      Who and in what way would have sent this arachaika to attack the target if the pilots had long ago kicked out with a parachute
      1. Wildcat
        Wildcat 8 November 2021 09: 54
        +4
        Good question, as soon as I find out - I will certainly let you know.
        1. Liam
          Liam 8 November 2021 09: 57
          -1
          Don't waste your time ... it's just bikes
          1. Wildcat
            Wildcat 8 November 2021 13: 57
            +3
            hi
            IMHO, the whole article is about these "bikes", and there is even a piece about An2 and An2 clones.
            How to do this technically is not even a question for the Chinese.
            How the Azerbaijanis did it - autopilot, remote control, "refueling 50 km" - I don't know, but how do I know laughing -I will inform you by all means.
            yes
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            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 8 November 2021 20: 58
              +5
              You can watch a video of the optional An-2 unmanned aerial vehicle at this link. The whole process is shown. Takeoff, leaving the aircraft crew, bombs.
              https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/26371

              Field report:
              1. Wildcat
                Wildcat 8 November 2021 23: 25
                +4
                Thank you!
                Interesting video, never seen before.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 10 November 2021 07: 25
          +1
          I will certainly inform you.


          Makes no sense laughing , this Romanian has one goal - to make a little fun, the rest does not interest him. wink
  3. Wildcat
    Wildcat 8 November 2021 09: 48
    +3
    hi
    "The first flight of the FH-98, created by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Group, took place in 2018. The tests were successful, and in the second half of 2019, the conversion of several used Y-5B aircraft into the FH-98 UAV began."

    And a little about the FH-98 with the same bmpd:
    "According to the press service of the large transport holding SF Express (Group) Co., Ltd., the second largest Chinese holding for the delivery of goods, on August 21, 2020 at Baotou Airport (Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region of China) landed on its first commercial cargo flight, the Feihong 98 unmanned aerial vehicle developed by China Aerospace Science and Technology Group Co., Ltd. based on the Y-5B light multipurpose aircraft, which in turn is a licensed copy of the Soviet An-2 aircraft. The flight lasted one hour. "
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4118890.html
  4. svoroponov
    svoroponov 8 November 2021 11: 35
    +5
    MiG - 19 going at low altitude and close to its maximum speed at the ground, and even with a little maneuvering (small frequent constant right-left tops) is a very serious thing and very difficult to knock down. Especially in flat areas, when you do not need to jump. True, in the radio and body controlled version, there can be problems here. This is bustling in management and taking into account certain factors when the ground is close, well, self-control, skill and experience of the operator if he leads him.
  5. Stepan S
    Stepan S 8 November 2021 12: 16
    +1
    the use of outdated An-2 aircraft to open the air defense system of the defending side. According to information published in open sources, Azerbaijan has converted a significant number of obsolete biplanes into radio-controlled drones.

    Here on the resource there was information that the AN-2 was piloted, and then the pilots jumped with a parachute, and then the plane flew on its own, revealing the situation. If this is also a UAV, then yes.
  6. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 8 November 2021 18: 31
    +3
    Here the Azerbaijanis said that the AN-2 were not unmanned. Their pilots left with a parachute ...
    By the way, the "ineffectiveness" of the Russian TORs against the vaunted batsraktars, too, as I said in my time, was explained by the Azerbaijanis themselves in the documentary film. The Armenians stupidly shot the entire bq for all sorts of false decoy targets ...
    As it turned out, competent planning helped.
    And in crooked hands, that the plane, that the UAV, that the air defense system is nothing more than iron, even the most technologically advanced ...
  7. Observer_2
    Observer_2 8 November 2021 20: 00
    0
    All this is not new. While undergoing military service in 73-75 years, I witnessed the launch of targets from the decommissioned MiG-15,17,19. In our aviation regiment there was a target department, up to a company, which trained aircraft in unmanned mode for testing missiles of the system Air Defense Saryshagan
    1. Bongo
      9 November 2021 01: 33
      +6
      Quote: Observer_2
      None of this is new

      Have you read the article, or just looked at the pictures? MiGs converted into targets could carry weapons and be used to break through air defense? No.
      The speech in the publication is just about this.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 10 November 2021 07: 29
        +3
        Sergey, hello! smile

        Here, I got there and read it.
        Interestingly, I had no idea that drones based on AN-2 were used in Karabakh.
        And the Chinese are great, they will simply overwhelm Taiwan with unmanned kamikaze laughing (joke, of course), but they are really great.

        Like life in your area, we already have winter on the way. smile drinks
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 10 November 2021 07: 59
          +5
          Konstantin, hello!
          Seryozha is on duty, will be in the evening.
          It got very cold here, freezing rain passed and the roads turned into a skating rink. In the next few days, they promise below -20 at night.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 November 2021 08: 11
            +3
            Good morning Olga love smile

            In the evening we will write off, if I don’t go to sleep, again there was a forced night "watch".
            We, thank God, have done without freezing rain, but the weather is very disgusting, even a cat goes out into the garden exclusively out of extreme need, and this is a real indicator. sad

        2. Bongo
          10 November 2021 11: 16
          +4
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Sergey, hello!

          Kostya, good evening!
          Quote: Sea Cat
          And the Chinese are great, they will simply overwhelm Taiwan with unmanned kamikaze laughing (just kidding, of course), but they are really great.

          Well, Taipei is clearly no laughing matter. The military power of the PLA is growing every year.
          In the United States, they are also very zealous in disposing of decommissioned aircraft. The next part will mainly be devoted to decommissioned American fighters converted into unmanned air defense breakers and targets.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 10 November 2021 11: 55
            +3
            We still have noon. smile

            Just returned from the store, the ice crackles under the wheels, but the sun is like summer.

            Interestingly, what about this case, is it a mess as usual? wink drinks
            1. Bongo
              10 November 2021 11: 58
              +3
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Just returned from the store, the ice crackles under the wheels, but the sun is like summer.

              Outside the window -3, it is snowing heavily. A sharp cooling is expected after a snowfall.
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Interestingly, what about this case, is it a mess as usual?

              Everything is sad ... I will try to write about this as well.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 10 November 2021 12: 02
                +3
                Everything is sad..


                What a life, for whatever you ask ... Okay, to hell with him with everything, maybe we'll get out again with our national poHygizm.
                1. Bongo
                  10 November 2021 12: 03
                  +4
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Everything is sad..


                  What a life, for whatever you ask ... Okay, to hell with him with everything, maybe we'll get out again with our national poHygizm.

                  For this, it is necessary not only to change the "leaders", but also to call them to account. Otherwise, nothing will change for the better. No.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 10 November 2021 12: 08
                    +2
                    At one time they put someone against the wall, so what? Time passed and everything again rolled into the same hole.
                    The longer I live, the more I am convinced that these guys were right:
                    1. Bongo
                      10 November 2021 12: 14
                      +3
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      At one time they put someone against the wall, so what? Time passed and everything again rolled into the same hole.

                      In my opinion, it "rolled into a hole" because there is no demand for business. Permissiveness is a consequence of impunity and irremovability.
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      The longer I live, the more I am convinced that these guys were right ...

                      I don’t know if this is so, then our country is doomed. On the other hand, I know of quite a few examples when sane leaders pulled their countries out of their deep backs.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 10 November 2021 12: 41
                        +2
                        Permissiveness is a consequence of impunity and irremovability.


                        Which we have had almost always, including today. request

                        ... I know of quite a few examples when sane leaders pulled their countries out of their deep backs.


                        To me, at first, someone seemed sane, but ... the farther into the forest, the better the fuck, I'm talking about a Christmas tree, like last year's snow was falling. laughing

  8. IL-18
    IL-18 8 November 2021 22: 57
    +4
    The article is valid! But ours would not start doing this. Airfields, ground personnel, infrastructure, design bureaus support, conversion of a product into a drone, training and maintenance of operators, weapons ... And this is so, at a glance.
    We need something else to break through enemy air defenses. And with our climate, hardly anything can be found suitable. Is that from the decommissioned now create a squadron of UAV-kamikaze.
  9. faiver
    faiver 9 November 2021 18: 10
    +4
    As always, great material from Sergey good
  10. Kedrovich
    Kedrovich 21 December 2021 20: 20
    0
    Why should the Chinese save pilots? It's easier to teach new ones. There is enough population.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 18 January 2022 02: 41
      0
      It's expensive and slow. It's not about the population.
      1. Kedrovich
        Kedrovich 18 January 2022 23: 27
        0
        Well, it's not that expensive anymore. Yes, and more classes to do and everything. They drive on simulators that are already close to real aircraft. Then each with instructors in several flights to UB and the next batch of pilots is ready. They will be able to create a couple of academies for training flight personnel for 1000 people. And release every year.