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Russian fighter Checkmate compared with its competitor from the United States on the likely cost of a flight hour

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The state corporation "Rostec" compared the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-75 Checkmate with its main competitor from the United States, which is considered to be the F-35, in terms of economics. For this, the most suitable indicator was taken - the probable cost of a flight hour.


The result obtained in an interview with the French newspaper Le Figaro was announced by the general director of Rostec Sergey Chemezov.

He stated that the cost of a flight hour of the American F-35 fighter is seven times higher than that of its Russian counterpart. The head of the state corporation noted that they decided to compare the two aircraft because they have similar technical characteristics. They are both fifth-generation single-engine fighters. But the Checkmate proved to be seven times more economical to operate than the F-35.

And if the American fighter is already in service with the US Air Force and satellite countries, then the serial production of the Russian analogue has not yet begun. True, in the process of operation in the design of the F-35, many flaws were revealed, the number of which is in the hundreds, which made this aircraft a kind of "record holder".


The newest Russian-made Su-75 will be shown for the first time abroad at the international aviation Dubai Airshow 2021, which will be held in the capital of the United Arab Emirates from 14 to 18 November. In Russia, this fighter was previously demonstrated at the MAKS-2021 air show.
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http://kremlin.ru/, Lockheed Martin
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  1. mitroha
    mitroha 4 November 2021 16: 20
    +32
    Then you need to compare
    1. Shugali
      Shugali 4 November 2021 16: 53
      -18
      We will compare in hostilities or those close to them! And all these forums and shiny packaging .. This is for third countries!
      The newest Russian-made Su-75 will be shown abroad for the first time at the Dubai Airshow 2021 international aviation exhibition,

      This is where our pilots will be hooling around ..
      1. Avior
        Avior 4 November 2021 17: 47
        +7
        Will the glasses break, will the urns be overturned? The picture of Vasya Lozhkin can still be painted with paint on the wall from spray cans.
        Air hooliganism is a little more difficult ...
        1. Civil
          Civil 4 November 2021 18: 04
          +21
          Why should you be so disgraced? Better to remain silent than to talk nonsense about the operation of an unbuilt aircraft.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 4 November 2021 18: 30
            +11
            Quote: Civil
            Why should you be so disgraced? Better to remain silent than to talk nonsense about the operation of an unbuilt aircraft.

            Putin's cadres are such entertainers that they don't make a point. One has already built bases on the Moon and Mars, another non-existent aircraft is economically exploiting. Ukrainian leaders are resting.
          2. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 4 November 2021 19: 48
            +5
            The cost of a flight hour, something that does not fly yet, is strong. belay

            1. YOUR
              YOUR 5 November 2021 10: 02
              +2
              That's it. How can you compare what is with what is not, and it is not known when it will appear.
          3. SKVichyakow
            SKVichyakow 4 November 2021 20: 25
            0
            But I really want to take part in this. There is no author, they are promoting themselves.
      2. Login_Off
        Login_Off 4 November 2021 22: 44
        0
        Damn, I'm leaving the UAE at the wrong time, November 12! recourse
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 4 November 2021 16: 55
      +27
      for exploitation Checkmate turned out to be seven times more cost effective than the F-35.

      Why so little?

      There is no plane yet, but it is already breaking records. I'm just bursting with pride for Russian technology!))
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 4 November 2021 17: 25
        +16
        Why so little?
        How can you evaluate this indicator for a model of an aircraft and an aircraft that has been in operation for more than one year?
        Is this a joke?
        The operating plane was compared to a mock-up. The layout turned out to be much better
        It's very annoying (to put it mildly) when you are considered an idiot by people like Chemezov ...
        1. bayard
          bayard 4 November 2021 20: 14
          +6
          Quote: Crowe
          It's very annoying (to put it mildly) when you are considered an idiot by people like Chemezov ...

          This is from a complete inability to do anything and achieve practically.
          Or maybe it's just a disease walking around there - in the Kremlin.
          More terrible than Kovidla.
        2. core
          core 4 November 2021 21: 25
          -2
          Well, you're real in comparison with Chemezov.
  2. svp67
    svp67 4 November 2021 16: 21
    +20
    The result obtained in an interview with the French newspaper Le Figaro was announced by the general director of Rostec Sergey Chemezov.
    How can you evaluate this indicator for a model of an aircraft and an aircraft that has been in operation for more than one year? Yes, there is no engine for this "chess" yet and it is not clear what its resource will be, how can one claim such an advantage now?
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 4 November 2021 16: 31
      -4
      they are unlikely to create something new, so there will be either an engine from the su-57 or its adaptation. Well, in general, our aircraft are less whimsical to maintain ... perhaps not 7 times, but it will be much cheaper
      1. Andobor
        Andobor 4 November 2021 17: 10
        +11
        Quote: Barberry25
        ... it is possible that not 7 times, but it will be much cheaper

        There is such an empirical dependence - the ruble in the Russian defense industry is 8 times "heavier" than its official level, so that it is 7 times cheaper - it is also "expensive."
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 4 November 2021 17: 17
          -9
          but it is necessary for free so that you don’t confuse technology with the case? a modern aircraft, especially the 5th generation, is not Po-2 ..
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 4 November 2021 18: 32
            +1
            Quote: Barberry25
            but it is necessary for free so that you don’t confuse technology with the case? a modern aircraft, especially the 5th generation, is not Po-2 ..

            You need not free, you need something real.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 4 November 2021 18: 39
              -9
              laughing Nope, even when it’s real, you’ll just whine about something else .. For example, Iskander, S-400 / S-500, Su-35, Dagger, Zircon ... are preparing for mass production, now they whine about "Che is so little, and indeed he is garbage." only 500 km or pretend that it does not exist at all .. We only know how to whine, and they try to drown and belittle any achievement .. Otherwise, it is impossible without self-flagellation. Another S-500, before they wrote that it would never be, but now we are talking about deliveries, they shout so little or "but the Chinese are cooler."
              1. Skipper
                Skipper 4 November 2021 19: 38
                -7
                that's right!
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 4 November 2021 19: 39
                  -10
                  ahahah, straight to the point)
                2. Serg Kam
                  Serg Kam 5 November 2021 10: 36
                  +2
                  Well, stupid bragging, and even on this site.
                  Where is the Trotter? Was it approved by Putin back in 2014?
                  Where do we carry the MiG 1.44? MiG 110?
                  Su-xnumx?
                  Moreover, these are only the most famous ones. I’m not talking about all sorts of SR-10 and MiG-AT.

                  Closed, canceled projects are dark, and even projects embodied in metal were canceled, so the appearance of a model does not guarantee the adoption of the aircraft into service
                  1. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 6 November 2021 11: 38
                    -2
                    The trotter is ready, but there is no demand for it due to the decline of small aircraft in Russia, the moment-1.44 has long been closed, although its developments will be used in the moment-41. the yak-110 race, and the cp-130 is gradually sawing ... the su-10? well, how would the su-47 develop solutions from it ... and the su-57 is primarily offered for export for the specific niche "cheap aircraft of the 75th generation", because there are a couple of dozen countries that want to buy, but who do not have much money
                    1. Serg Kam
                      Serg Kam 6 November 2021 13: 50
                      +1
                      The trotter is ready, but there is no demand for it due to the decline of small aircraft in Russia

                      The Rysachok project is closed.
                      Although small aircraft are sorely lacking.

                      “We are talking about a very difficult situation. We have lost polar aviation, we are losing small aviation. There are no planes, there are no communications between regions. interregional development ", - said Valentina Matvienko.

                      "It is necessary to expand the network of intraregional air routes, modernize small airports, renew the aircraft fleet on these flights. In general, small aircraft flights should become more accessible to citizens," Vladimir Putin stressed. He stressed that small aviation is an extremely important direction in the development of air transport. "There are corresponding plans for the production of Russian domestic equipment for regional transportation."

                      There are plans for production, the aircraft is ready, the president approved serial production and the project is closed.

                      So where in the picture should I put this Rysachok?

                      And why is there such confidence that the Su-75 in no case can repeat the fate of any of the above? "This is different, don't you understand"?
                      1. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 6 November 2021 16: 24
                        -2
                        The trotter is ready - the certification stage remained, but since they did not find a place in the market, in the end they covered it up - this is the fate of most projects of the 90s, when they wanted to create a new car in cooperation with the West, but it eventually got dynamic
                      2. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 6 November 2021 16: 53
                        +1
                        the fate of most projects of the 90s

                        On June 25, 2007, a contract was signed between the state customer represented by the Ulyanovsk Higher Aviation School of Civil Aviation and Technoavia for the production of an experimental batch of 5 aircraft.
                        How long do you have in the 90s.

                        create a new machine in cooperation with the West, and he eventually

                        Vladimir Putin, publicly supporting the project in July 2014 and sitting at the wheel of the Rysachka (the car was a prototype), advised the developers to replace the American avionics and the Czech Walter M601 engine with Russian ones. It was planned to create a Russian TV-500 engine especially for Rysachka; the Salyut gas turbine research and production center was involved in its development.

                        Again a lie. According to the plan, the trotter must be certified made of Russian components.

                        And finally: "Progress" was actively negotiating with potential buyers and there were "oral orders" for 300 aircraft. The creators of the aircraft also announced a possible contract with the Ministry of Defense.
                      3. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 6 November 2021 17: 05
                        -1
                        and where is this engine?
                      4. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 7 November 2021 01: 10
                        0
                        and where is this engine?

                        Better not to ask me, but to "Salute".
                        They produce engines for the Su-27/30/33, as well as for the Rysachok aircraft.
                      5. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 7 November 2021 12: 39
                        -1
                        the funny thing is that creating a new one requires finances and time, and the developer of Rysachka could not and cannot provide this
                      6. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 7 November 2021 13: 00
                        0
                        I don’t argue.
                        Only the creation of a deliberately complex and much expensive fighter, moreover, not so necessary for Russia (and the small aviation is EXTREMELY needed), will provide all the necessary resources, because "this is different, you do not understand" :).
                        I believe.
                      7. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 7 November 2021 16: 15
                        -2
                        MA is not needed, without a state order, we have too few directions and places where it may be required, and with the growth in the use of high-speed trains, even more so
                      8. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 7 November 2021 22: 58
                        -2
                        Right now, you directly accused Putin of lying.
                        "small aviation is an extremely important area in the development of air transport."
                        A couple of messages ago, I quoted fresh quotes from both Putin and Matvienko. And they announced the need, and announced the allocation of funds.
                        Or is the Chukchi not a reader?
                      9. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 8 November 2021 12: 36
                        -1
                        The importance is the state order and the need for MA will be unprofitable in most cases, which is why large airports are being built throughout the country ... And yes ... how much money and when was it allocated, is it purely for the Chukchi that Sergey can bring?
                      10. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 8 November 2021 13: 19
                        -1
                        Importance is government order and necessity

                        Putin: "small aviation is an extremely important area of ​​the development of air transport."

                        In terms of money: "In general, the program for the purchase of aircraft for airlines with state participation, calculated until 2030, involves the allocation of 2,5 trillion rubles."
                      11. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 8 November 2021 13: 30
                        -1
                        I repeat the question .. how many small aircraft devices, namely trotters do they want to buy? Correctly, zero, because. the device is not commercially interesting, the same Baikal is more economically viable
                      12. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 8 November 2021 14: 32
                        -1
                        Now, after the closure of the project, of course, no one thinks to buy Rysachok.
                        But before the closure of the project, Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade Yuri Slyusar announced the purchase of 310 aircraft.
                        Plus 320 more compact "Gzhel"
                        A total of 630 aircraft.
                        “We have to do (Rysachok). To have our own,” Putin said, referring to the development of small and regional aviation in the country.
                      13. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 8 November 2021 16: 09
                        -1
                        It is necessary ... only one thing is just an idea, and another is an economic justification - a twin-engine aircraft for MA is expensive and difficult, so the project ended
                      14. Serg Kam
                        Serg Kam 8 November 2021 23: 56
                        -1
                        Of course. In your opinion: A twin-engine aircraft for small aircraft is expensive and difficult.
                        Therefore, the project ended, despite Putin's approval, despite the fact that it was exhibited and flew, despite the order for 310 aircraft.

                        But the 5th generation multi-role jet fighter is cheap and simple, “you don’t understand anything else,” so it will be built without fail, even though there is no order.

                        I understand your reasoning, thanks for the conversation.
                      15. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 9 November 2021 12: 42
                        -1
                        because long-haul aircraft now fly with 2 engines, and not 4 as before, the economy and that's it
                      16. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 November 2021 23: 10
                        0
                        Few destinations in the largest country in the world? Yes, there are more airfields in Alaska alone than in all of Russia.
              2. bayard
                bayard 4 November 2021 20: 34
                +7
                Quote: Barberry25
                An example of this is Iskander, S-400 / S-500, Su-35, Dagger, Zircon.

                A-100, Il-76MD90A in the series?
                MS-21 in series, Il-112, Il-114?
                Su-57 in series with "Belka", MiG-35 with AFAR?
                "Admiral Nakhimov", "Admiral Kuznetsov" timely from modernization?
                Scheduled repairs and modernization of MAPLs of Soviet projects (971, 945) and SSGN 949?
                Timely delivery of serial frigates pr. 22350 and 22350.1 to the fleet?
                Well, how many years ago did you promise to hand over "Sarmat"?
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 4 November 2021 21: 30
                  +1
                  IL-76MD90A on the series, as if in a year, passed more than several previous ones - we will find out the efficiency of the conveyor in the next. year, according to the A-100-it is being brought to mind and, as it were, they have already indicated the period in 2024 for a long time ... MS-21 ... but what is wrong with it? with Sarmat?
                2. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 4 November 2021 21: 41
                  +1
                  and there is also such a thing as the restoration of competence, since our manufacturers have not been engaged in the development of new products for a long time, this makes itself felt ... By the way, I will remember your question about these products) I will try to remind you when their serial production will begin ... it will be interesting hear what excuses will be on your part
                  1. Shahno
                    Shahno 4 November 2021 21: 49
                    0
                    Why does all this remind me of a painful childbirth behind the scenes .. And at this time there is a cabaret dancing.
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 4 November 2021 21: 52
                      -1
                      alas and yes, but you need to look from the other side, this will give experience and allow you to create new products faster in the future, just an example of drones, at one time ours could not even give birth to one sensible, but now there is already a whole family, but such as Zala in general every year a new product is shown .. there is a time for everything .. it's funny that we are discussing the situation "why is it taking so long to create". although earlier there was generally a question about "we do not produce anything and the factories are closed" .. progress
                  2. bayard
                    bayard 4 November 2021 21: 52
                    +1
                    When they will, then they will be, but for now, some excuses for missed deadlines.
                    I would not be surprised if, for many of these items, the deadlines again shift to law.

                    In RI, battleships and other ships of the 2nd squadron were ready in 1904 ... only they were needed in Arthur in 1903, at least by the very end.
                    Because of this, the war of Japan was lost with a bang and shame, which became the seed of the 1st Russian Revolution and the beginning of the collapse of the Empire ...
                    Road spoon for dinner.
                    And bast soup slurp - to lose the war.
                    1. Barberry25
                      Barberry25 4 November 2021 21: 54
                      -3
                      they lost the war "miserably" through the fault of Nicholas II, who decided to "save money", although the General Staff guaranteed that in 2 years he would smash the Japanese to smithereens, and the main strength for this was .. By the way, the lack of ships is a direct result of the lack of competence in construction ..but they ordered ships from the Europeans instead of developing their own shipyards ..
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 4 November 2021 22: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: Barberry25
                        although the General Staff guaranteed that it would defeat the Japanese in 2 years

                        Where will it break?
                        In Manchuria?
                        In Korea ?
                        And during these 2 years it is guaranteed to lose Sakhalin and Kamchatka?
                        And they could, if not take, then at least smash Primorye from the sea.
                        And what would you have achieved then? Having already lost the entire fleet? Return Arthur?
                        And why is he needed without a fleet?
                        The key to winning that war lay in dominating the sea.
                        And it is the savings on the construction of new ships at all available shipyards, savings on ammunition, artillery, coastal batteries, the preparation of Arthur as a naval base (deepening the fairways, equipping batteries, building a dock, stocking the proper amount of shells and organizing their production and equipment in situ) led to this shame.
                        RI lost the war LONG before the start of the war.

                        And today the same story is observed - the boyars are zealous, the defense capability is neglected ... And after the defeat, everything was amicable "to Paris"?
                        Judging by the latest events, they have already agreed on everything.
                      2. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 5 November 2021 00: 35
                        +1
                        The Japanese can today not only take away the Kuriles, but also the entire Pacific Fleet (or rather, what is left of it) in Primorye with their aircraft.
                        Of course, they will not climb to the continent, because China has its own interests in the Primorsky Territory too.
                        But they can break all the most important objects. They will simply be numerically crushed. Hundreds of modern fighters are no joke.
                        And they will cover the Kuril Islands at once.
                        At one time, there were the most powerful air defense and MPA groups.
                        On Sokol (Sakhalin) MiG-31 were based, in the Golden Valley (Primorye) Su-27, Chuguev (Primorye), Vozdvizhenka (Tu-22M3), Khvalynka (Tu-22MR), Pristan (Su-24M).
                        None of this has been in sight for a long time! Only in the Central Corner 22nd regiment on the Su-35S and MiG-31.
                        That's all they have there.
                        This is against Japan, against the American numerous air bases there, against the American bases in South Korea and against the carrier-based aircraft of the AUG, which are based in Yokosuka.
                        Here is the alignment. All our security in the Far East has long been fiction.
                        Comparisons on ships do not need to be carried out at all - laughter and sin, as they say.
                      3. Rushnairfors
                        Rushnairfors 5 November 2021 15: 00
                        0
                        Well, in Primorye, all the same, except for Uglovoy, in Chernigovka, su25 and helicopters, in Varfolomeevka, su24, although MR, Nikolaevka is a mixed submarine regiment, although of course it will not be of any use since the Japanese will trample ... Primorye is practically beheaded in terms of aviation
                      4. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 5 November 2021 15: 27
                        0
                        The only thing that could strike at a considerable distance is the Tu-22M3 from Vozdvizhenka, which went into metal.
                        There, one of the pilots later became an astronaut and recently told how they flew the Tu-22M3 past the Kuril ridge in the old days and the Japanese had no desire to make claims about the islands.
                        So in Khurba (Su-34) and Dzemgakh (Su-35) there is aviation. In the neighboring region. But this is not enough, and far away - over the South Kuriles they would have to operate at the limit of the radius.
              3. core
                core 4 November 2021 21: 28
                0
                it is a national trait to smear one's own and one's own. D.B (Lavrov S.V.)
              4. teptyar
                teptyar 5 November 2021 07: 45
                0
                what achievements ?? what are you talking about? Technique for parades, in scanty quantities. We loudly announce plans to supply Armata and Su57 to the troops, then silence and a new PR project. Now the toy is being taken to exhibitions.
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 4 November 2021 16: 34
      -6
      You cannot praise yourself - competitors will peck.
      it is not clear what its resource will be

      The F-35 with an engine resource turned out to be no ice. Problems with blades surfaced after ~ 600 hours of operation. If the Russian designers do not chase the prohibitive parameters of thrust, then everything will be fine.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 4 November 2021 16: 47
        -1
        Quote: dzvero
        The F-35 with an engine resource turned out to be no ice.

        So not ice that there are not enough dviguns to replace them. there is a decent amount of cabbage soup on the ground without a motor
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 4 November 2021 17: 55
          +2
          There are hardly enough engines to ensure stable production of new aircraft:
          13 per month.
          And not enough for spare parts and repairs.
          Problem...
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 4 November 2021 17: 58
            -14
            Quote: voyaka uh
            There are hardly enough engines to ensure stable production of new aircraft:
            13 per month.
            And not enough for spare parts and repairs.
            Problem...

            I translate into Russian:
            "In order to ensure the working capacity of the already sold gomna, there is no dvigla. Everything is spent on selling gomno to other suckers, who will then also sit on the ground, because they also cannot provide their working capacity."
            M - marketing laughing "Because it all lies in his ability to take out the number from the '' fraer eared '' (c) - Meeting place
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 4 November 2021 18: 33
              +4
              No connection with product quality. smile
              For example, now the largest car factories are idle because there are not enough chips.
              This does not mean that car manufacturers are cheating on their customers.
              Or what, these cars are of poor quality.
              Common supply chain disruptions
              cattle happen with intensive production of airplanes, cars, and mobile phones.
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 4 November 2021 21: 34
                -6
                Quote: voyaka uh
                No connection with product quality.

                The connection is only with the fact that we cannot ensure the working capacity.
                Break
                We sell new
                Break
                This is normal, new ones will be provided!
                -----------------
                A fairy tale for the alternatively gifted. Popular, judging by the cons, in Israel. Well I said - all smart Jews left for the USA, in Israel there are those who are on a salary
                And quality. to which, straining, they cannot ensure performance - this is not quality, but guano. In general, about the quality - tell us how the F-35 Pentagon tried to accept the last time at the Edwards base. 33% per year of field tests on average were combat-ready during testing - this is not a combat fighter, this is a guano, moreover, a liquid, unformed
                1. Cowbra
                  Cowbra 5 November 2021 11: 00
                  -4
                  And to argue something to you - there is nothing, except for the minuses? And not a sect - no?
        2. PPD
          PPD 4 November 2021 21: 55
          +3
          So not ice that there are not enough dviguns to replace

          Exactly!
          But a trifle - pieces of 600 f 35 are already today.
          And this plane, with an incomprehensible name and an unknown index, has not even completed one flight yet.
          When this product is released more or less massively, the old 35 will be narrower.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 4 November 2021 21: 58
            -2
            What is - that is - and enta is already another question and a serious question - well, we're not a five-wall, to pass off a snake for a hedgehog.
            "If you argue with de bill, you will inevitably sink to his level, where he will crush you with experience," close to the text. I don't remember the original phrase. And we try to play on the de bill field
    3. Andrey Moskvin
      Andrey Moskvin 4 November 2021 16: 34
      -2
      I think that in this parameter the F-35 cannot be surpassed by anyone, even a promising one. laughing .
  3. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 4 November 2021 16: 22
    +16
    Is this a joke?
    1. fruc
      fruc 4 November 2021 16: 28
      +20
      The state corporation "Rostec" compared the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-75 Checkmate with its main competitor from the United States, which is considered to be the F-35, in terms of economics.

      I don't see what to compare with the F-35, with the model hanging on the ropes? Hmm, not serious and not funny.
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 4 November 2021 16: 29
      +8
      Well, what are you, there are NO analogues, as the king said today ...
      1. poquello
        poquello 4 November 2021 19: 27
        -3
        Quote: Alien From
        Well, what are you, there are NO analogues, as the king said today ...

        and what is wrong? real stealth
    3. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 4 November 2021 16: 48
      +8
      There were also comparisons on the use of plasticine and plywood in the compared samples, but we decided that this would not be correct, due to our obvious superiority ...
    4. Aleksandre
      Aleksandre 4 November 2021 16: 50
      +5
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Is this a joke?

      But you can't even imagine how miraculous the know-how in the form of painting under Khokhloma can be: there is fuel economy, and automatic polishing of the wings, and even the rejuvenation of the pilot ...
    5. dauria
      dauria 4 November 2021 17: 15
      +14
      Is this a joke?


      A joke is a biography of Chemezov at WIKI ... wink I even thought that I was reading the court transcript of the abuse of official position for the purpose of profit by prior conspiracy with a bunch of relatives laughing
      What a nafig plane. One scanty story with Avtovaz and OOO Kate is enough to understand the "prospects".
    6. poquello
      poquello 4 November 2021 17: 22
      0
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Is this a joke?

      what jokes do you see him?
  4. martin-159
    martin-159 4 November 2021 16: 23
    +20
    The operating plane was compared to a mock-up. The layout turned out to be much better. Funny.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth 4 November 2021 16: 30
      0
      GOP !!! They said! Advertising, well, there is no way without it. For while SU75 no one needs. We knock out money in the budget and then went for export. Maybe we will overtake competitors.
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 4 November 2021 16: 46
      0
      News from the category of shove not crammed wassat
  5. Bez 310
    Bez 310 4 November 2021 16: 25
    +19
    All this is already outside ...
    The aircraft of the 5th generation, serially produced in hundreds of copies, "loses" the model of the aircraft "in operation." What is it?
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 4 November 2021 16: 33
      -11
      those. when the words of Americans about "the American missile is hypersonic, but the Russian one is not" is being discussed on the site right there on the website and at the same time they support the Americans is it not outside? Or is it something else?
    2. kot423
      kot423 4 November 2021 16: 37
      -7
      Quote: Bez 310
      What is this?

      IMHO, this is an attempt at PR in a mattress manner. Suffice it to recall the squeals about the railgun, the zumwalt, the catapult at the new Avik, Trump's words about the super / duper hyper rocket flying 100500 times faster than the Russian ones ...
    3. mitroha
      mitroha 4 November 2021 18: 13
      -8
      Quote: Bez 310
      All this is already outside ...
      The aircraft of the 5th generation, serially produced in hundreds of copies, "loses" the model of the aircraft "in operation." What is it?

      Why are you so excited then? This is also a layout.
    4. lis-ik
      lis-ik 4 November 2021 18: 36
      +8
      Quote: Bez 310
      All this is already outside ...
      The aircraft of the 5th generation, serially produced in hundreds of copies, "loses" the model of the aircraft "in operation." What is it?

      These effective friends of the president are testing the ultimate strength of the people's patience, and it seems that the tests are going well.
  6. Alexey Stepanov
    Alexey Stepanov 4 November 2021 16: 29
    +14
    How did they calculate the cost flight hours of flightless layout?
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 November 2021 16: 31
      +12
      Quote: Alexey Stepanov
      How did they calculate the cost of a flight hour for a flightless model?

      Flight of thought
  7. Teador
    Teador 4 November 2021 16: 33
    +6
    Northrop Grumman has published a video, which, among other things, showed the appearance of the American sixth generation NGAD fighter.
    Against the background of the news that the Chinese were the first in the world to present two 5th generation fighters in a two-seat version based on the Chengdu J-20 and another novelty Shenyang J-31, there was another equally interesting news.

    At the same Chengdu Aircraft airfield, a completely new aircraft was spotted, which is unlike any Chinese fighter.

    It is believed to be an innovative 6th generation fighter,
    THAT IS WHAT TO COMPARE WITH
  8. pytar
    pytar 4 November 2021 16: 38
    +13
    I don’t understand how you can compare from a fighter, which has been serially produced for a long time, clocked tens of thousands of hours of operation, from a plywood model, whose future real characteristics even the designer himself does not yet know! It's like comparing a hot meal on a chair with a picture drawn by a flumaster! request
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 4 November 2021 16: 52
      +6
      Quote: pytar
      I don’t understand how you can compare from a fighter, which has been serially produced for a long time, clocked tens of thousands of hours of operation, from a plywood model, whose future real characteristics even the designer himself does not yet know! It's like comparing a hot meal on a chair with a picture drawn by a flumaster! request


      Even if it existed in the gland, it would still not be possible to compare.
      The cost of the aircraft and spare parts depends on marketing, what price tag will be drawn. If the cost price of the new aircraft turns out to be mega cheap, it will still be sold for the "market" price, being guided by the existing offers on the market.

      Figuratively speaking, we received an aircraft with an operating cost of 100 CU per hour, similar ones on the market have an indicator of 1000 CU per hour. We draw price tags so that it would turn out to be 500-750 CU. Raking profits, capturing the market.

      In addition, the F35 is, as it were, "slightly" heavier, and therefore an hour of flight should cost more.
      1. pytar
        pytar 4 November 2021 17: 51
        +7
        The state corporation "Rostec" compared the Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-75 Checkmate with its main competitor from the United States, which is considered to be the F-35 ...

        When such a game comes out not from some viskary blogger, but from Rostec, a question arises! Questions about the adequacy of managers! belay
  9. Turbo3000
    Turbo3000 4 November 2021 16: 42
    +13
    A Russian plane made from the Pravda newspaper defeated an American plane. Shoigu also showed Putin a hypersonic weapon for 100 Machs yesterday ... the light in the Kremlin was on until morning.
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 4 November 2021 17: 09
    +2
    To begin with, I could compare the Su57 or Su35S ……. And explain by what methodology they counted. As far as I know, Americans somehow think differently from us
  11. Nafanya from the sofa
    Nafanya from the sofa 4 November 2021 17: 15
    +5
    Russian fighter Checkmate compared with its competitor from the United States

    Exactly the same result, the fantastic Chekmat can be compared to the ship from "Space Eggs"

    or the famous Star Trek Enterprise
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 4 November 2021 17: 19
      +3
      Interestingly, they also have models preserved .. or all computer graphics. I would like to compare. At the cost of a flight hour.
      Ps. In general, I love these articles, they raise the mood and do not load.
  12. Tolianych
    Tolianych 4 November 2021 17: 24
    +11
    The cost of an F-35 flight hour is, of course, higher than an hour of operation of a flightless mock-up, it is unclear why the mock-up is only 7 times more expensive)
  13. Tusv
    Tusv 4 November 2021 17: 38
    -5
    What to compare. By the rules of mathematics Reduce it by equal shares and get 100 bucks to one. In favor of the Penguin Further, the laws of air defense apply. I did not answer the request, you are no longer a hundred bucks, but an absolute zero. Hence Chess is worth one dollar, and Penguin is zero. Maths bully
  14. KKND
    KKND 4 November 2021 17: 38
    +2
    Well, since we are talking about jokes, here are a couple more funny ones about the F-35:


    And these jokes have been discussed in all seriousness for years on VO from 2016 to 2020, it is enough to raise the archives, including some commentators for this article, "joking" already about the Su-75.
  15. Troll
    Troll 4 November 2021 17: 40
    +6
    There is no plane yet, but pipiski have already begun to be measured))
  16. zenion
    zenion 4 November 2021 17: 49
    0
    And if donkey urine was added to the fuel, the economy would be such that, in general, a fairy tale.
  17. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 4 November 2021 17: 52
    +5
    Russian fighter Checkmate compared with its competitor from the United States on the likely cost of a flight hour

    Let's make a comparison in 2026 ... (who will live to this time ...)
    yes
  18. 6erJIblu
    6erJIblu 4 November 2021 17: 57
    -3
    And what was the initial criterion for the 5th generation and who made it up? Is F-35 100% fifth generation (compare with f 22)
  19. Maks1995
    Maks1995 4 November 2021 18: 10
    +3
    Indeed, oligarch officials are making a fool.
    Compare the operating plane with the model.
    The layout will sparkle much better, especially at an exhibition. No costs for electronics, pilot, fuel ...

    And for wooden ones, everything is usually 2 times cheaper than green ones ...
  20. yelo
    yelo 4 November 2021 18: 27
    +5
    How can you compare a non-flying prototype with a serial aircraft. of which 700+ pieces.
    those obviously not very smart people were recruited into growing up.
    and when it will be a series, if it will be this glider. there will be 1500+
  21. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 4 November 2021 19: 54
    0
    just a question where is the engine its number and if it is in the world?
  22. Skipper
    Skipper 4 November 2021 19: 57
    -4
    AND ABOUT. US Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan, during a speech in the US Congress in 2019, said that the F-35 program had completely failed, and the plane itself is not an airplane, but a piece of gom
    on. What made a lot of noise and discontent.
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    2. Shahno
      Shahno 4 November 2021 20: 06
      +4
      In my opinion, healthy criticism is much more beneficial than "cheek puffing".
      And the line for the production of SU 57 is "weak" to organize.
  23. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 4 November 2021 19: 57
    +2
    checkmate and checkmate only in the ass of the sunlit and his friends their mother is so
  24. Castro Ruiz
    Castro Ruiz 4 November 2021 20: 21
    +2
    Compare with what is not.
    Are they normal people? I doubt it.
  25. Bradley
    Bradley 4 November 2021 20: 40
    +1
    They are both fifth-generation single-engine fighters. But the Checkmate proved to be seven times more economical to operate than the F-35.

    Plywood model, but it costs only 7 times cheaper than a flying plane.
    Or how did they think, given that there is no serial aircraft?

    True, in the process of operation in the design of the F-35, many flaws were revealed, the number of which is in the hundreds, which made this aircraft a kind of "record holder".

    The usual thing. If information about the Su-57 were more free, then who knows what problems and how much we would have learned.
  26. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 4 November 2021 20: 54
    0
    Quote: martin-159
    The operating plane was compared to a mock-up. The layout turned out to be much better. Funny.

    Rather sad ...
  27. Evgeny Seleznev
    Evgeny Seleznev 4 November 2021 22: 02
    +2
    It is stupid to share the skin of a bear that has not been killed. We have a concept - a layout. And some kind of monkey with calculators has already given out not probable nonsense about 7 one-time economy of the plane / hour compared to the buggy product of the fifth level of the F-35. You might think the concept born for the next exhibition is ideal and will not have childhood illnesses, like the venerable SU-57, which is currently stuck in the 4 ++ level and does not have a title 5 until childhood illnesses are corrected, like a power plant. Here the forum seems to be serious, according to the delusional publications, it’s hard to believe.
  28. Elena Akinfieva
    Elena Akinfieva 5 November 2021 10: 28
    0
    When the plane is done, then laugh. So far, I don't see a reason for banter.
  29. EugenPin
    EugenPin 5 November 2021 18: 15
    +1
    The first lines from Letov's song "My Defense" are straightforward:
    "The plastic world won
    The layout turned out to be stronger "

    I never thought that she would be so prophetic.
  30. Romanenko
    Romanenko 7 November 2021 00: 08
    +1
    Quote: "In Russia, this fighter was previously demonstrated at the MAKS-2021 air show."
    But where was that fighter?
    A full-size model, alas, does not fly or shoot, why compare the cost per flight hour of an operating aircraft and a drawing?
    Again, we are in a hurry with assessments of what has not yet become technology.
    Yeah interesting
    Yes, promising, possibly
    But it is not yet, and it is not known when it will be.
    It is embarrassing and unpleasant to read such articles, especially looking at the accelerated dates for the introduction of the Su-57 and T-14 and at the "PR" name of the fighter itself, in our defense industry that they could not find Russian words for the name of their aircraft?
  31. Hindu
    Hindu 9 November 2021 18: 18
    +1
    The stump is clear - our Checkmate is better, more unique, superior, and in general ... True, it does not exist in nature yet. But, that is ...)))
    And let these losers rivet the next hundred of their unsuccessful ones (though F35 scattering like hot cakes) ... The main thing is not to tell them, otherwise they will be upset ...