Louis-Nicolas Davout. Invincible Marshal Bonaparte

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Louis-Nicolas Davout. Invincible Marshal Bonaparte
Davout, portrait by an unknown artist, 1820s, Paris

Among all the marshals of Napoleon, Louis-Nicolas Davout occupies a special place.

Throughout his career as a military leader and commander, he has not lost a single battle. At the same time, Davout turned out to be an extremely talented administrator, known for his pedantry and love of order. Because of this, Leo Tolstoy even compared him with Arakcheev in his novel War and Peace. And in the army, Davout was nicknamed "the iron marshal".




A. Polyakov in the role of Davout, the film "Kutuzov", 1943

Marshal Marmont, who was hostile to Davout, wrote about him:

"A fanatic of order, maintaining discipline in his troops, approaching their needs with solicitude, he was just, but harsh towards the officers and did not win their love."

Count Molet is even more categorical:

"This man, so rude, was hated wherever he commanded."

Davout himself wrote to Berthier:

"I cannot help admitting to myself that often my exactingness and my severity alienate good officers from me even before they barely have time to assess my true intentions."

Davout's adjutant Jozef Szymanowski recalled that Marshal

“He punished severely for any robbery and forced the perpetrators to be shot. However, on the other hand, Davout was scrupulous in ensuring that every soldier had the right amount of food. "

Baron Dedem wrote that Davout

"I have always been a real father to my army."

Napoleon described this marshal as

"One of the most honest and impeccable warriors in France."

Stendhal named him

"A great man, yet underestimated."

Davout himself said before his death:

"I have lived the life of an honest man, I am dying unblemished."

Finally, among the mostly rootless marshals of Bonaparte, Davout stands out for his origins. He came from an old Burgundian family and can be traced back to the XNUMXth century. Military service was a common occupation of the men of this family, in Burgundy there was even a saying:

"When Davout is born, the sword leaves its scabbard."

The real surname of this marshal is d'Avou (d'Avou or d'Avout, after the name of the castle of Avo, which is located near the city of Dijon). With the outbreak of the French Revolution, he changed it, getting rid of the "de" particle that indicated the nobility. Now he wrote it as Davout or Davot. At present, in this version of the spelling, only the bearer of the title of the Dukes of Auerstedt bears this surname. All other relatives of the marshal retain their family name - d'Ave.

It is interesting that a certain general with a consonant surname Davoust served in the French army during the Napoleonic Wars. He was not a relative of Marshal Davout.

The first years of the life of the future marshal


The father of our hero, Jean-Francois d'Avou, was also a military man, took part in the Seven Years War, but did not achieve great success. After retiring, he married Maria-Adelaide Minar, who bore him three sons and one daughter.

The future marshal was born on May 10, 1770 and was the eldest of the children of this family. Two of his brothers also served in the army, and one of them one rose to the rank of brigadier general.

In 1779, the head of this family died while hunting. Later, Maria-Adelaide married the lawyer Louis Thurro de Linier. And Louis-Nicolas in 1779 entered the military school in the city of Auxerre (Auxerre).


Monument to Marshal Davout in Auxerre

According to the recollections of classmates and teachers, he showed the greatest success in the study of algebra and geometry. In addition, during his studies, he compiled two "historical notebooks "devoted to the analysis of the military history of France.

On September 27, 1785, d'Avoe entered the prestigious Paris military school, which Napoleon Bonaparte graduated from shortly before him.

In 1788, the future marshal begins his service in the army.

His first regiment was the Champagne Cavalry, where he arrived in the rank of junior lieutenant in February of that year. The father of our hero once served here, and at the same time with Louis-Nicolas - his uncle (who had the rank of major) and cousin. Major d'Avou was dissatisfied with his nephew and wrote to his family that it wouldn’t work as a soldier:

"Instead of studying military theory, he revels in the books of Montaigne, Rousseau and other philosophers."

A similar review was written about the future Marshal and his cousin François-Claude:

“Louis will never learn to do anything in our profession. He devotes all his time to Montaigne, Rousseau and other eccentrics like them. "

Passion for the works of philosophers and educators was not in vain.

Unlike many aristocratic officers, the future marshal immediately went over to the side of the revolution.

Later he showed himself as a supporter of the Girondins. At the suggestion of Davout, a delegation of the regiment was formed, which went to Paris to declare the commitment of his servicemen to the ideals of the revolution. Together with Davout, Sergeant Claude Perrin went to the capital, who would later become famous as Marshal Victor (he modestly asked to be called "The Winner") and received the nickname "Beautiful Sun" (Beau Soleil) in the army.


Georges Rouget. Claude-Victor Perrin in his youth

But sympathy for the republic did not save Davout from a short arrest in 1791. When he was released, he retired, but soon joined the 3rd Volunteer Battalion of the Yonne Department as a private. In September, thanks to his military education, he was elected captain, and then received the rank of lieutenant colonel and the position of battalion commander.


Alexis-Nicolas Perignon. Lieutenant Colonel Davout, 1792

On November 8 of that 1791, he married Marie-Nicole-Adelaide de Ségeno, but a month later his battalion was sent to the Northern Army, which was commanded by Dumouriez. In his absence, his wife behaved very relaxed, in January 1794 this marriage ended in divorce.

The beginning of Davout's battle path


For the first time, Davout took part in hostilities in the fall of 1792. It happened on the territory of the Austrian Netherlands, the first opponents were the Prussians.

On March 18, 1793, the French were defeated in the battle of Neervinden (the Austrians in this battle were commanded by a good friend of Suvorov - Prince Friedrich of Coburg, together they fought with the Turks at Fokshany and at Rymnik). After that, Dumouriez tried to move an army to Paris, hoping to restore a constitutional monarchy in the country. However, his subordinates did not support him (including Dumouriez's adjutant - Etienne Jacques Alexander MacDonald, future marshal).

And on April 4, Davout raised his battalion at all, trying to capture the traitor. But Dumouriez managed to break into the territory controlled by the Austrians. For his decisive actions, Davout was promoted on May 1, becoming a brigadier general.

However, at this time, the Jacobin purges of the former nobles began in the French army. Previous merits did not save anyone, and Davout, who understood the danger of the situation, chose to resign, even renounced the rank of divisional general. He tried to educate himself, read a lot, but failed to sit out in his parents' house.

At first, his mother was arrested, who helped to hide the property of some acquaintances of the aristocrats. Then Davout ended up in prison, trying to protect her. Mother and son were released after the coup of 9 Thermidor (July 27, 1794) and the fall of Robespierre.

Now Davout was able to continue his service. Initially, with the rank of brigadier general, he ended up in the Brest army, operating in the Vendée. Then, already in the Rhine-Moselle army of General Moreau, he took part in the siege of Luxembourg.

During the unsuccessful battles for the French army near besieged Mannheim on November 21, 1795, he was captured, but was released on parole not to take part in the hostilities.

At the same time, by the way, another future marshal, Nicola-Charles Oudinot, was also in Austrian captivity.

Davout returned to the army a year later - after the opposing sides exchanged prisoners, and the future marshal considered himself free of obligations.

Davout in Egypt


Davout met Bonaparte in Paris on March 22, 1798. General Desay acted as a mediator.


Louis Charles Antoine Dese

After this meeting, Davout received an invitation to take part in Napoleon's Egyptian expedition. He served in the cavalry under the command of Deset, fought at Alexandria and at the pyramids, was among those who entered Cairo, but then fell ill and did not take part in the Syrian campaign of Bonaparte.

But together with Deset, he went to Upper Egypt, where the detachments of the irreconcilable enemy of the French, Murad Bey, were destroyed.

In the second battle at Abukir, Davu managed to cut off the fortress from the coast, depriving the besieged of the opportunity to receive reinforcements and supplies.

After Bonaparte left the army, going to France, Davout came into conflict with the new commander - Kleber, who concluded a truce with the British. He even once again renounced the rank of divisional general.

In the end, in February 1800 Davout and Deze on the ships "Etoile" and "Santa Maria della Grazia" also left Egypt, but, unlike Bonaparte, they were unlucky - the ships were intercepted by the British. However, after about a month, an agreement with the British was still reached, and Davout and Deset were able to return to France.

Continuation of military service


Napoleon had already become First Consul by that time. Upon learning of Davout's return, he writes to him:

“It was with pleasure, citizen, that you have arrived in Toulon. The campaign (in Italy) has just begun; we need people with your talents. You can be sure that I have not forgotten the services that you rendered us under Abukir and in Upper Egypt. When your quarantine is over, come to Paris. "

However, unlike Deset (who will become famous, but will die in the Battle of Marengo on June 14, 1800), Davout is in no hurry.

Some believe that the reason was a resentment against Bonaparte, who left him in Egypt. Only in July 1800, having finally received the rank of divisional general, Davout arrived in the Italian army, which was commanded not by Bonaparte, but by General Brune, another future marshal, Nicola-Charles Oudinot, was the chief of staff.

And Davout was appointed commander of the cavalry and distinguished himself at the Battle of Pozzolo (December 26, 1800), where he personally led the attack of the dragoons, which decided the outcome of the battle.
Upon the conclusion of the Luneville Peace Treaty, he led the reorganization of the Cisalpine Republic, dependent on France.

On the way to the marshal rank


Davout arrived in Paris in the summer of 1801.

Here he was appointed inspector general of the cavalry, as well as curator of the cavalry units of the 1st, 14th, 15th and 16th military districts. This elevation caused surprise and discontent among Bonaparte's old associates, who believed that Davout had not yet "performed famous feats" (this murmur is reported, for example, by Napoleon's secretary Buryenne).

However, Bonaparte already appreciated Davout's administrative talents and was not mistaken in his choice: his appointee quickly put things in order. And on November 28, 1801, he was appointed commander of the grenadier units of the Consular Guard.

Bonaparte also facilitated the marriage of Davout and the maiden Louise-Amy-Julie Leclerc, a relative of the general who was married to one of his sisters (Pauline Bonaparte). Amy Leclerc was a friend of Napoleon's other sister, Caroline (Murat's wife) and his stepdaughter Hortense Beauharnais.

The First Consul clearly used this marriage as a way to tie the promising general to himself and his family. Amy came from a wealthy bourgeois family, and her parents gave her 150 thousand francs as a dowry. The wedding took place on November 9, 1801.

It is curious that this ordinary girl received a more refined upbringing than the aristocrat Davout, who shocked everyone by appearing in society in dirty boots and with unclean nails. According to Buryenne, Davout's unkempt appearance made an unpleasant impression on Bonaparte when he first met the future marshal.

However, it is possible that the hereditary nobleman Davout deliberately emphasized his democratic character in this way, showing everyone that he had broken with the old-regime past.

Davout was also surprised by the fact that he was not shy about wearing glasses: according to many of his contemporaries, this did not correspond to the image of a gallant commander.


B. Molchanov in glasses as Marshal Davout, a shot from the famous Soviet film "War and Peace"

In the marriage of Davout and Amy Leclerc, 8 children were born, but four of them died in infancy.

On August 30, 1803, Davout was promoted to commander of the III corps of the Boulogne military camp. And on May 19, 1804, the day after the coronation of Napoleon, he became a marshal (in Bonaparte's understanding, this was not a military rank, but the highest title in his empire).

"Sun of Austerlitz"


Davout became one of the main heroes of the Battle of Austerlitz.

It was his III corps in the first phase of this battle that held back the attacks of three columns of the Russian-Austrian troops, slowly retreating and dragging them along. After the fourth column of the allies descended from the Pratsen Heights, a number of counterattacks the coalition army was dismembered into several parts and lost control.

It all ended, as you know, with a terrible defeat for the troops of Austria and Russia. Davout pursued the withdrawing Russian units, but was deceived by Alexander I, who sent him a letter confirming the concluded truce. Davout believed the honest word of the anointed of God and then felt very hard about his mistake.

As a consolation, after the conclusion of the Treaty of Tilsit, Davout was handed over from the Russian emperor a snuffbox decorated with diamonds, but he never forgave Alexander this deception. Probably, he should have read more Plutarch during his training, who in "Table Conversations" claimed that even the Spartan commander Lysander said:

"Where a lion's skin is not suitable, you need to sew a fox to it."

And:

"Children are deceived while playing grandmother, and adults are deceived by taking vows."

In the next article we will finish the story about Louis-Nicolas Davout.

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  1. +12
    8 November 2021 06: 38
    Davout was the only Napoleon's marshal who never swore allegiance to the Bourbons before or after.
    1. +10
      8 November 2021 07: 02
      Quote: parusnik
      Davout was the only Napoleon's marshal who never swore allegiance to the Bourbons before or after.

      I just want to add after Alexei's words - a real knight.
      To be honest, a very, very controversial person, especially in Russian fiction. There was no peacock chic Murat in him, or the simplicity of Ney's boyfriend shirt. For L. Tolstoy, this is a marching biscuit.
      Okay, I will not get ahead of ourselves, let's wait for the continuation of Valery's cycle!
      All the good days!
      P.a. Reading Valery's cycle, the desire arises to say that Napoleon's marshals are like a set of keys, each with its own "bolt" circle of tasks
      1. +8
        8 November 2021 07: 44
        Hello Vladislav!

        ... especially in Russian fiction.


        Well, in Russian literature, especially in fiction, you can generally find anything, history on it is thankless to study it. smile

        I've always liked this image of Marshal Davout.

        1. +3
          8 November 2021 18: 54
          "ungrateful" but addicting. What are the names: Pikul, Pushkin: "The Captain's Daughter", Danilevsky, Lazhechnikov, Tumasov, Balashov
          1. +6
            8 November 2021 18: 57
            but fascinating


            That's right! laughing You still need to look for such a liar as Valentin Savvich, even in our literature. drinks
            1. +3
              8 November 2021 19: 10
              Kostya, good evening, weren't you fond of Pikul?
              1. +3
                8 November 2021 19: 17
                I was carried away until I caught him on blatant nonsense.

                Check out the Weapons article - "Aristocrat from Pasadena. Don't Trust Your Eyes - Auto Mag Ammo"
                1. +3
                  8 November 2021 20: 35
                  It's late today, and I still want to read. I do not know what struck me, but I wanted to read Gardner. I found stories on the net that I hadn’t read.
                  Probably tired of: blood and sex. I love to watch a good deceptive or an action movie, but the fact of the matter is that there are few good ones (though this is always the case). Basically: murder and primitive soap. And Gardner's intelligence works
                  Somehow I'll see
            2. +2
              8 November 2021 19: 33
              He and Sorotkina ("Midshipmen Forward") aroused my interest in our history
      2. +3
        8 November 2021 17: 31
        Namesake, greetings. If: "Napoleon's marshals - like a set of keys" then Bonopart in this case: "key" or "economy", which is the same
      3. +2
        8 November 2021 18: 15
        Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy was not personally acquainted with Davout, but used the assessments of his contemporaries.
        Who knows, perhaps Tolstoy read the memoirs of those offended by Davout?
        1. +2
          8 November 2021 19: 10
          Quote: Klio2
          Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy was not personally acquainted with Davout, but used the assessments of his contemporaries.
          Who knows, perhaps Tolstoy read the memoirs of those offended by Davout?

          First of all, Lev Nikolayevich was Russian, secondly - a patriot, and a shit - a man who sniffed gunpowder during the Crimean War. Therefore, in his assessment of Pierre Bezukhoi, he put both the bewilderment of an enlightened European and the pain of a Russian peasant! All this could only give birth to anger. This is exactly where the origins of wars, which are considered to be our domestic ones, derive their strength.
          1. 0
            8 November 2021 19: 28
            I am somehow not very interested in Tolstoy's military biography.
            Somewhere information flashed that he: commanded a gun, did not directly defend Sevastopol, but was in the Caucasus
            1. +3
              8 November 2021 20: 14
              Sevastopol stories! Read, very, very interesting.
    2. +8
      8 November 2021 09: 15
      Hmmm ...
      Davout began his military career under Louis XVI, who was also Bourbon ...
      1. +2
        9 November 2021 00: 39
        and where to go to a hereditary nobleman? And Danton would be a bad lawyer and Robespierre an average lawyer. What happened happened and everyone was fishing in troubled waters.
    3. +1
      8 November 2021 13: 01
      Yes, a good, invincible marshal was with Napoleon, only he did not help him in any way during the campaign against Russia. Napoleon was defeated by Kutuzov. request wink
  2. -5
    8 November 2021 07: 17
    not the biggest country, but marshals ...
    1. +7
      8 November 2021 08: 22
      Andrew! hi
      It seems to be already explained by the author:
      (in Bonaparte's understanding, this was not a military rank, but the highest title in his empire).
      Although, of course, the transformation of the concept is interesting. For example, during the Hundred Years War, in France, a marshal is a position.
      1. +2
        8 November 2021 21: 00
        I'm a one-sided man and a marshal for me is the title
    2. +9
      8 November 2021 10: 48
      In terms of population, France and the Russian Empire are approximately equal by 1800, the country is not the largest, but populous.
    3. +6
      8 November 2021 13: 53
      Quote: Olgovich
      not the biggest country, but marshals ...

      Not so much.
      Twenty-two, plus four honors
      In Russia during the same time period (from 1791 to 1815) - thirteen, in Austria - twenty, in Britain - fifteen. But there was another generalissimo in Russia. So for show-off, we are plus or minus, on a par with the rest ...
      1. +2
        8 November 2021 18: 01
        Mikhail, well, whatever the covid takes, and everything, everything .. drinks Happy childhood .. smile
        1. +2
          8 November 2021 18: 36
          Thank you. smile
          We will try. smile
    4. +1
      8 November 2021 15: 54
      But the army is huge.
    5. +2
      8 November 2021 18: 57
      Honestly, I don’t understand why you were given cons ... I slightly corrected karma.
      1. +3
        8 November 2021 19: 33
        Traditionally
        1. +3
          8 November 2021 19: 40
          Probably so.
      2. -1
        10 November 2021 08: 07
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Honestly, I don’t understand why you were given cons ... I slightly corrected karma.

        there are a couple of already gray-haired ridiculous uncles, having fun by going into the opponent's comments and stupidly monotonously poking a minus, without reading, on EVERYTHING lol
    6. -1
      8 November 2021 19: 08
      Don't be jealous of the number of talents.
      1. +1
        8 November 2021 22: 58
        Quote: Kronos
        Don't be jealous of the number of talents.

        True, there is no need to envy, because in 1812 Napoleon lost ... even all the marshals of France did not help.
        1. 0
          8 November 2021 23: 41
          Any warlord can lose by miscalculating the company.
    7. 0
      9 November 2021 00: 45
      how to say. France is a colossus in Europe. A fertile land, densely populated. Who else was there on the continent? Spain, the Holy Roman Empire ... Poland, ... Russia can be said to be lucky to border on the Poles and Tatars, and not with anyone more serious
  3. +8
    8 November 2021 08: 25
    Davout was in conflict with almost all officers of equal status. His "contradictions" with Berthier are widely known: an incomparable staff officer, but in fact he did not know much on the battlefield. And Davout, a strategist and tactician, preferred to call everything by its proper name, and Berthier was terribly offended. With Bernadotte, he generally had a mortal enmity since the days of Auerstedt. Davout had an extremely low opinion of the hot Gascon, calling him a villain to his face. Joachim Murat, Davout called "a circus dog that can only dance, standing on its hind legs!"
    1. +1
      8 November 2021 18: 30
      In this case, Tolstoy had a sea of ​​"Davout's well-wishers"
  4. +8
    8 November 2021 09: 20
    An excellent series of articles. Waited for Davout. This is perhaps the most interesting character. And the most talented. Auerstadt is incredible. With such proportions, only Alexander Vasilyevich was able to win, and even then - a bastard. Why didn't Napoleon make full use of Davout in 1814 and 1815? I will wait for the author's opinion in the second part.
    1. +4
      8 November 2021 09: 52
      "Why didn't Napoleon make full use of Davout in 1814 and 1815?" - in 1814 Davout was sitting in Hamburg and could not get out of there, and in 1815 he was Minister of War, is that not enough?
      1. +3
        8 November 2021 13: 52
        Davout was sitting in Hamburg and could not get out of there, and in 1815 he was Minister of War, is that not enough?

        Of course not enough! If Davout had received the order to surrender the command in Hamburg to the next in rank Loison, he would have been in France in 1814 (the siege of Hamburg was not so close). In 1815, why would Davout take the post of minister, if the previous one (Clarke), who had held this post since 1807, and did an excellent job, was on the side of Napoleon during the Hundred Days? A good general is needed on the battlefield, not in the ministry.
        1. +3
          8 November 2021 14: 16
          In 1814 the blockade was already close, this is not the 13th year. Another question is that if you entrust Napoleon to him, and not to Her, the campaign against Berlin, then it is not known how the campaign of 1813 would have ended.
          In 1815, Davout was in his place as an administrator, but even if you imagine him in the active army, it would not change anything, Napoleon was doomed.
          "A good commander is needed on the battlefield, not in the ministry" - I completely agree, but I can't get into Napoleon's head, plus Napoleon was jealous of someone else's military glory. How famously he dealt with Kleber.
          1. +1
            8 November 2021 14: 28
            So I wrote that I was interested in the author's opinion about Davout's absence in the army. I didn't understand about Kleber. He left him as commander-in-chief. The position of the Egyptian corps was not hopeless. Kleber was the best choice. Not to leave the "Muslim" Mena?
            1. +1
              8 November 2021 15: 49
              Napoleon in every possible way hushed up Kleber's successes in Egypt, especially after his death. As for the choice of a successor, there was no equal to Kleber in Egypt, as for Menou, I completely agree with you.
            2. +1
              8 November 2021 20: 57
              Comrades, I do not know about the "Egyptian" adventure: "what the devil took him to that galley" (c) sorry to Egypt. Not how the company was going there. Somehow historians did not really cover that segment.
  5. +6
    8 November 2021 09: 46
    From memories. There is a dinner for the generals and officers of Davout's headquarters. One of the officers speaks too loudly and attracts general attention. Davout asks - who invited you?
    - General (conditionally - Ivanov)
    - General Ivanov should have known - I do not want any sheep to sit at my table.
    General silence.
  6. +7
    8 November 2021 11: 54
    Davout pursued the withdrawing Russian units, but was deceived by Alexander I, who sent him a letter confirming the concluded truce. Davout believed the honest word of the anointed of God and then felt very hard about his mistake.

    Davout ended the pursuit in accordance with the orders of Napoleon himself.
    "... Davout was determined to complete the complete defeat of the allies. But he received notes from Alexander I, and then from Kutuzov, that the Austrian emperor was meeting with Napoleon and an armistice would be concluded. And indeed, at this time, a two-hour conversation between Napoleon and Franz took place. , after which an armistice was concluded, according to the terms of which the Russian troops had to leave Austria within a month.On November 23 (December 5), the same General Savary was sent to Emperor Alexander I to find out the opinion of the Russian monarch on this matter, who was more than satisfied with the signed agreement and guaranteed its implementation by the Russian side. After that, he arrived at Davout with an order from Napoleon to stop the persecution of the Russians.. "...
    ... The armistice agreement was officially signed on November 24 (December 6), and Russian troops went through Hungary to Russia and then left the territory of the Austrian Empire. "
    (VM Bezotosny, "Napoleonic Wars").

    R.S. The Austrians concluded the Peace of Presburg on December 26, 1805. So Alexander I did not lie, and Davout had nothing to lament about his credulity. Why the author distorted the events that happened is not clear.
    1. VLR
      +4
      8 November 2021 14: 20
      Well, according to some reports, Alexander was ahead of the events. And sent a letter before the truce was concluded. And Davout was worried that in this "window of opportunity" he did not complete the defeat with the last spectacular blow - until he received an order from his emperor.
  7. +4
    8 November 2021 12: 07
    Dear Author!
    Earnest request. The local community, in the person of me appeals to you, in the continuation of an undoubtedly interesting story, to reveal in more detail the topic of the "relaxedness" of the first wife of the Marshal.
    Thank you!
    1. +6
      8 November 2021 12: 42
      Quote: Vlad Baryatinsky
      to reveal in more detail the topic of "relaxedness" of the first wife of the Marshal.

      With illustrations?
      1. +1
        8 November 2021 12: 43
        Well, you sir, "spoil" us mortals.
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        With illustrations?

        It is desirable on the "topic".
      2. +2
        8 November 2021 17: 56
        Desirable with them
    2. +6
      8 November 2021 13: 08
      Quote: Vlad Baryatinsky
      to reveal in detail the topic of "relaxedness" of the first wife of the Marshal

      There are many thematic sites on this topic. I do not think that any details of Marie-Nicolle-Adelaide de Ségeno's "relaxedness" are currently not fully disclosed, for example, by Sasha Gray. Rather, the opposite is true.
      Go to the relevant site and do not thank. smile
      1. +4
        8 November 2021 13: 15
        currently not fully disclosed, for example, by Sasha Gray. Rather, the opposite is true.

        It will not be possible to disclose it, Mikhail. recourse Sasha now sings, and does not act in a "big movie". request
        By the way, there are some topics that you don't want to touch even with a dirty stick. stop For me, as an amateur, this is the story of an intimate relationship between Pyotr Fedorovich and Ekaterina Alekseevna. There are many tales, even more anecdotes, and no one held a candle; hence the speculation, who is Paul's father! fellow And even a leading figure from Russian history - Professor N.I. Pavlenko - in his monograph "Peter III" flexibly bypassed this issue ... what
        1. +5
          8 November 2021 13: 35
          Quote: Pane Kohanku
          Sasha now sings, and does not act in a "big movie"

          It is sad. crying
          Well, okay, a holy place is never empty. Surely a person of this level of skill has prepared a worthy change for himself, it's just that I don't know, retrograde, so to speak. laughing
          Personally, I generally do not like to touch on alcove topics and am wary of people who are curious about these issues.
          I think that comparing the portraits of Pyotr Fedorovich and Pavel Petrovich to a certain extent helps to dispel doubts about their blood relationship.
          Some are even ready to climb into bed with Princess Ingigerda, accusing her of adultery in order to explain the Scandinavian origin of the Rurikites ... No.
          1. +6
            8 November 2021 14: 08
            I think that comparing the portraits of Pyotr Fedorovich and Pavel Petrovich to a certain extent helps to dispel doubts about their blood relationship.

            In order to establish the degree of kinship, it is necessary to open three graves for examination. Peter III, Paul I and Alexander I. With the first two, we either confirm or deny royal paternity. But Alexander is a reference to the legend of Fyodor Kuzmich.
            But no one will do this. For who knows what will come of it ... or it may turn out to be a big embarrassment! what Both for the Romanov family and in the history of Russia, in general. hi
            Some are even ready to climb into bed with Princess Ingigerda, accusing her of adultery in order to explain the Scandinavian origin of the Rurikites ...

            I definitely won't go to her. laughing drinks
            1. +5
              8 November 2021 14: 44
              Quote: Pane Kohanku
              But no one will do this.

              What for? This really is not necessary to anyone and does not affect anything, only gossip to breed. Is it worth it to disturb the dead on this occasion, spend people's money, etc.?
              Personally, I am absolutely indifferent from whom the royal German women in the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries. gave birth to their royal offspring, in other words, the "legal" were the Romanovs, starting with Pavel Petrovich or "Russians". laughing
              It is better to spend this money on some kind of archaeological expedition, providing it with normal search and research equipment. Or, over there, dig under the Shum-Gora - to finally find out what's inside ... smile
              1. +6
                8 November 2021 14: 48
                Or, over there, dig under the Shum-Gora - to finally find out what's inside ...

                So it’s interesting to dig Shum-Mountain, but not to stir up graves in Petropavlovka? wink What if there is Rurik? I mean, under the Noise Mountain. laughing
                only gossip

                This, after all, is not gossip, but the establishment of the truth! stop
                1. +5
                  8 November 2021 15: 43
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  What if there is Rurik? I mean, under the Noise Mountain.

                  He confessed himself. Here is his signature under the protocol. wassat
                2. +5
                  8 November 2021 16: 11
                  We know very well what lies under the bus in Petropavlovka. The genetic relationship of the three emperors is of no interest to me personally. Well, we will look into the bed of the Empress / Princess / Grand Duchess, well, we will make sure that the children are from her husband / lover / lovers, provoking / not provoking, thereby a lot of indignation and scandals ... smile
                  Although ... No, you are right after all, Nikolai. Agree. But then all the other Romanovs, both living and deceased, should be examined for genetic relationship. And if it turns out that Paul - from his lover - to erect another monument to Empress Catherine "for bringing Russian blood into the ruling dynasty," otherwise it turns out that only Germans ruled us. It's a shame. laughing
                  And if it turns out that the current Romanovs are bastards of unknown origin, it will generally be fun. A sort of scandal in a noble family! No, no, I agree! All under a genetic magnifying glass, investigate, then gather in the Ostankino studio and announce the results of the research live. And me beer, chips and a live broadcast from this coven. laughing
                  But all the same, I also want to know about Shum-Mountain. In general, we, in principle, cannot say what it is - a mound or a mott, a grave or a site for strengthening. And if the mound, then whose? Such a size that there are no such ones among their royal mounds in Sweden?
                  Yes, okay, God bless her, Shum-Mountain. How many more settlements, mounds - explored, but not explored? I would like to dig them ... Explore the dungeons under the ancient monasteries - what if some unique chronicle or collection of them has collapsed and survived?
                  1. +4
                    8 November 2021 17: 41
                    "unique chronicle" also say: "Ivan the Terrible's library"
                    1. +4
                      8 November 2021 18: 33
                      Yes, just some kind of regional chronicle of the XIII century, for example, Chernigov or Polotsk. Or a collection of international treaties of the Smolensk prince. Or an analogue of the "Book of Doomsday", according to the Vladimir-Suzdal principality of the times of Yuri Vsevolodovich ... This is more expensive than any gold and gems.
                      Suddenly, he lies somewhere in a sealed lead box at a depth of five meters under a small mound left over from an ancient monastery during the Mongol invasion, among dense forests ...
                      1. +2
                        8 November 2021 19: 44
                        Chronicles are unlikely, but a birch bark letter may well be found. Such certificates are found not only in Novgorod. What if they find such a certificate in your city or region?
                      2. +3
                        8 November 2021 20: 47
                        In theory, perhaps, but more likely to be found in some forgotten archive. Some kind of notebook of the 15-16th centuries.
                        However, the archives are still full of forgotten materials and the recent past: you can easily find diaries or notes about Kotovsky, GV or on the eve of the revolution. This is also interesting
                      3. +4
                        8 November 2021 21: 21
                        Archives are different. Yes, you can find a lot there too. I'm talking about archaeological finds - how many unexplored monuments, how many there may be of everything interesting and useful for science.
                        They will find some kind of Roman helmet in the Novgorod peat bogs, or the place of the battle between the Slavs and the Scandinavians of the seventh or eighth century. Or, the truth is an ancient archive, hidden eight hundred years ago in a remote monastery, from which even the name has not remained. There is so much more to find if you search.
                      4. +4
                        9 November 2021 09: 44
                        They will find some kind of Roman helmet in the Novgorod peat bogs

                        That is, the legend of the Antinoev Wall near Pskov, and the fact that the above vicious handsome man drowned in the Great, and not in the Nile, will be confirmed? bully drinks
                      5. +3
                        9 November 2021 09: 58
                        I just remembered the "Turov sword". smile There is still no satisfactory identification and a clear hypothesis of its origin.
                        Therefore, I expect from archaeologists new riddles with new answers, revisions of existing concepts, new theories, discussions, sensations ...
                      6. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 03
                        I just remembered the "Turov sword". smile There is no satisfactory identification and intelligible hypothesis of its origin yet.

                        Yes you are right. A mysterious find, no doubt. I am sorry - photo from your article:


                        Therefore, I expect from archaeologists new riddles with new answers, revisions of existing concepts, new theories, discussions, sensations ...

                        More charlatans will come up ... request
                      7. +3
                        9 November 2021 10: 11
                        Don't give a damn about them. laughing
                        But history has to develop.
                        Give me a Roman eagle in a mound in the Upper Semi-Zuzhie! To make it more interesting. laughing
                      8. +3
                        9 November 2021 10: 15
                        Give me a Roman eagle in a mound in the Upper Semi-Zuzhie! To make it more interesting.

                        Give the grave of Antinous in Shum-mountain! fellow
                      9. +3
                        9 November 2021 10: 24
                        This p (om) idor was given to you ... The Russian land can only be ruined. No, don’t.
                        Let there be an ancient sanctuary or the grave of some leader with a description of his exploits ...
                      10. +3
                        9 November 2021 10: 36
                        The Russian land can only be ruined.

                        For the cucumber was Adrian. laughing Okay, let there be the grave of the great king Wheatgrass Greenwulf. And a rich treasure to boot.
                      11. +2
                        9 November 2021 11: 43
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        You're right. A mysterious find, no doubt.

                        Since the find is accidental, it is attributed only by analogy, from which layer of the century we accordingly do not know, and then a flight of fantasy ... hi
                      12. +2
                        9 November 2021 11: 48
                        Since the find is accidental, it is attributed only by analogy, from which layer of the century we accordingly do not know, and then a flight of fantasy ...

                        Here is Mikhail's article about him for 2018. I think you will be interested. drinks
                        https://topwar.ru/148875-turovskoj-mech-ili-zagadochnaja-nahodka.html
                      13. +2
                        9 November 2021 11: 58
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Here is Mikhail's article about him for 2018. I think you will be interested

                        Well, in general, everything is logical: many hypotheses and versions can be put forward, but
                        We do not know and, obviously, will never be able to find out how a combat knife, made, perhaps, somewhere in the north-west of Spain, got so far to the north-west of Russia.

                        Actually, it is, and probably, as in the case of the medal, the simplest explanation is probably the closest to the truth.
                        Unusual finds are not so rare, for example, they find some Egyptian scarabs on the territory of Udmurtia and nothing surprising - there was a trade route: one of the locals really liked the outlandish little thing and bought / exchanged it from a passing merchant. hi
                      14. +2
                        9 November 2021 12: 15
                        Unusual finds are not so rare, for example, they find some Egyptian scarabs on the territory of Udmurtia and nothing surprising - there was a trade route: one of the locals really liked the outlandish little thing and bought / exchanged it from a passing merchant.

                        With regard to this, I really like the museum in Staraya Ladoga. By the number of artifacts - both western and southern. Trade route!
                      15. +2
                        9 November 2021 12: 16
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        With regard to this, I really like the museum in Staraya Ladoga. By the number of artifacts - both western and southern. Trade route!

                        I’m talking about it hi
                      16. +2
                        9 November 2021 13: 04
                        I’m talking about it

                        Something the second day is not visible on the site of the Great Leader - Crow ... And I have a burning question for him!
                      17. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 09
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        That is, the legend of the Antinoev Wall near Pskov, and the fact that the above vicious handsome man drowned in the Great, and not in the Nile, will be confirmed?

                        Why immediately vicious? wassat
                        Maybe he was innocent like a lamb? hi
                      18. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 14
                        Maybe he was innocent like a lamb?

                        Yeah, and Adrian loved him with pure fatherly love ... Yes It happens that he comes in the evening, sits down somehow on the edge of the bed, and says in the voice of Taras Bulba: "And turn around, son! What a long scroll you have on you! What a scroll! There have never been such a scroll in the world. And you run away! I'll see if you flop to the ground, entangled in the floors." fellow
                        Adrian took care of Antinous very touchingly! request laughing
                      19. +2
                        9 November 2021 11: 36
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        What a long scroll you are wearing! what a scroll!

                        Judging by the authentic "photographs" there were no scrolls on it ... wassat
                      20. +2
                        9 November 2021 18: 26
                        Mish, archaeological finds are quite possible, but the ancient monastery archive. It is doubtful: who will solder the monastic chronicles in a lead box? [i] [/ i]
                      21. +2
                        9 November 2021 18: 55
                        Well, let's say the situation is like this. Yuri Vsevolodovich, leaving the children in Vladimir under siege, rushed to the north to collect troops. But, anticipating something bad, he took his entire archive with him. Well, or part of it. During the defeat on the City, the princely man in charge of the archive managed to hide and go into the forests, for example, to the north. Leave with the archive.
                        End of winter. Frosts. With the last of his strength, this man gets to some small monastery in a deep forest, north of Torzhok. There he hides the princely archive, hastily blinded a tuba of lead, which was brought in to repair the roof of the monastery refectory. Well, some Novgorod boyar donated a couple of pounds, and the abbot decided to get by with shingles.
                        He buried it in the basement of the monastery, only had time - the Mongols came, the monastery was burnt, the monks were slaughtered. Then the monastery was restored at this place, three hundred years later it was burned by the Lithuanians during a raid, then the Time of Troubles was burned again. Under Peter the Great, the monastery withered and was abandoned. Since then, the place has been empty, overgrown with forest, only small hillocks remained. And the lead tube is still there, for nearly eight hundred years, the cultural layer over the first five hundred years has grown by a couple of meters, the total depth is four meters. Temperature and humidity are stable, lead will not corrode in ideal conditions. smile
                        Finding such a thing - and you will get into the university history textbook with a guarantee. smile
                        Here's a find I'm waiting for. smile
                      22. +2
                        9 November 2021 19: 06
                        In general, "Templar gold". Mortgages, bills of sale, IOUs and other compromising evidence. laughing
                        Michael! hi
                        And a good starting point for the next story! good
                      23. +2
                        9 November 2021 19: 58
                        Misha, you've composed a whole play. Purely theoretically, this can, but practically ...
                      24. +1
                        9 November 2021 20: 06
                        Practically easy. Only now you can find such a treasure only by chance. Although in reality, for more than a thousand-year history of Russia, there were not one or two such treasures. The weakest point of my version is lead. It is not enough to bury. It also needs to be preserved. And here too much has to coincide.
              2. +6
                8 November 2021 15: 44
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                on some archaeological expedition, providing it with normal search and research equipment.

                Good distillation column! drinks
                1. +4
                  8 November 2021 18: 52
                  Quote: Mihaylov
                  rectification column!

                  Here, it turns out, is what archaeologists are missing. smile
                  I’m naive, I thought we needed some kind of mobile tomograph or geolocator together with a service specialist ... Some kind of "through the ground" from Skolkovo, which can see through any cultural layer to the mainland ...
                  Okay, next spring I'm going to be an archaeologist. As an entrance fee - a portable moonshine still. smile
                  1. +4
                    8 November 2021 19: 06
                    Write-write, Sergey will help.
                  2. +4
                    9 November 2021 09: 41
                    Okay, next spring I'm going to be an archaeologist. As an entrance fee - a portable moonshine still.

                    Anton is right, you and Sergey will make a wonderful scientist tandem. Yes
                  3. +3
                    9 November 2021 09: 59
                    Quote: Trilobite Master
                    I, naive, thought I needed some kind of mobile tomograph or geolocator together with a service specialist ...

                    Enema and picking - 150 years on the archeology labor market! wassat

                    portable moonshine still.

                    And what? this is an interesting idea: to make moonshine on a fire in the field according to authentic recipes from the early Iron Age! drinks
                    1. +2
                      9 November 2021 10: 05
                      Thus, to summon the spirits of their ancestors and finally find out from them the truth about the scperethnos, the war with the Anunnaki and see the three moons with your own eyes ...
                      Great! Where have historians been before? laughing
                      1. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 08
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        Thus, to summon the spirits of their ancestors and finally find out from them the truth about the scperethnos, the war with the Anunnaki and see the three moons with your own eyes ...

                        According to the methodology of historical science, this is called a historical experiment! wassat
                      2. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 18
                        This is called a collective outdoor binge.
                        By the way, the question.
                        The shoemaker gets drunk as an insole, the railwayman gets drunk in the trolley, the policeman gets drunk until the protocol state, the flusher is also understandable ... But how do historians get drunk?
                      3. +3
                        9 November 2021 10: 22
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        How do historians get drunk?

                        Into the birch bark?
                        or in parchment? drinks
                        And archaeologists seem to be in the "enema" hi
                      4. +3
                        9 November 2021 10: 32
                        Yes, apparently, and here to each his own ...
                        Someone, I suppose, even before Tutankhamun drank, someone before the Eneolithic, and others health allows only "in Shemyaku" ...
                      5. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 34
                        Quote: Trilobite Master
                        drank, someone before the Eneolithic

                        someone before the Holocene! wassat
                        And Adrian, apparently - "was naantino! drinks
                    2. +2
                      9 November 2021 10: 09
                      Enema and picking - 150 years on the archeology labor market!

                      When in the 1980s they dug the inner courtyard of the Petershtadt fortress in Oranienbaum (and it is under a layer of soil now), they found not only that the courtyard was paved. A medal "For the victory over Germany" was found in the filling between the stones! Who lost it and how, why it ended up inside the layer of the 18th century is a mystery to everyone. request
                      And dug, including V.A. Korentsvit. He is our St. Petersburg ethnographer-archeologist. good
                      1. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 12
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        A medal "For the victory over Germany" was found in the filling between the stones! Who lost it and how, why it ended up inside the layer of the 18th century is a mystery to everyone.

                        Yes, the students were probably joking: the traditional student joke is to throw something into the excavation site. drinks
                      2. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 17
                        Yes, the students were probably joking: the traditional student joke is to throw something into the excavation site.

                        Do you think? Reward, all ... what If they had thrown in the means of individual sexual protection, I would have also appreciated ... wink
                      3. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 20
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Do you think? Reward, all the same.

                        Well, she could have gotten in the process of repairing: they were doing some small repair of the pavement, about which no one remembered 20-40 years later, so someone dropped it. hi
                      4. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 23
                        Well, she could have gotten in the process of repairing: they were doing some small repair of the pavement, about which no one remembered 20-40 years later, so someone dropped it.

                        EMNIP, there was no repair there. It has grown since the time of Alexander I. Before the Great Patriotic War, however, they wanted to open a museum in the palace of Peter III.
                      5. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 27
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        EMNIP, there was no repair there. Overgrown since the time of Alexander I.

                        Well, here we can assume a lot of versions: who knows now: most likely the simplest and most correct: maybe not a repair, maybe they dug some hole to put a column, something like that. hi
                      6. +1
                        9 November 2021 10: 37
                        maybe they dug a hole to put a post, something like that

                        Logical and simple! Yes
                      7. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 39
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Logical and simple!

                        One could certainly assume that this is a medal unknown to science "For Victory over Germany" in the Seven Years War, but here some difficulties arise, although for some characters they are quite surmountable. hi
                      8. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 41
                        in the Seven Years War, but here some difficulties arise, although for some characters they are quite surmountable.

                        Then only Vasily Ivanovich Suvorov could lose her personally, for the rest were fans of Friedrich. laughing It was he who drove the Holsteins under lock and key.
                      9. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 54
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Then only Vasily Ivanovich Suvorov could lose her personally, for the rest were fans of Friedrich. laughing It was he who drove the Holsteins under the castle.

                        Quite an adequate version! drinks
                      10. +2
                        9 November 2021 10: 58
                        Quite an adequate version!

                        Inadequate version - arap Pierre A narcissus with a time machine received this medal in 1945, then returned in 1762, and lost drunk on the territory of Petershtadt. wassat
                      11. +2
                        9 November 2021 11: 19
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        possessing a time machine

                        With the time machine - there will be some problems, but this is not for us, let the techies "soar", and we - generate ideas! wassat
            2. +2
              8 November 2021 17: 54
              "A reference to the legend of Fyodor Kuzmich" By the way, there is a legend that a certain number of years later, after the death of Alexander 1, at night the tomb of the emperor was opened and the body of an unknown person was placed there. In this case, you, for example, or Professor Gloom Gloomov, will break off. They opened the grave, and the body was in place
              1. +2
                9 November 2021 09: 42
                In this case, you, for example, or Professor Gloom Gloomov, will break off. They opened the grave, and the body was in place

                Then you will have to dig the grave of Fyodor Kuzmich. And do an analysis between him and Paul. The Bolsheviks did not open the grave of Paul, despite the stable legend. hi
                1. +1
                  9 November 2021 18: 20
                  Nicholas, read as if: 1918-1920 the graves of Peter 1, Paul, Catherine 2 and Alexander 1 were opened.
                  Well, there was a bunch of rags in Catherine's grave, Alexander had an empty coffin, and Peter 1 was preserved ideally
                  1. +1
                    10 November 2021 09: 42
                    Nicholas, read as if: 1918-1920 the graves of Peter 1, Paul, Catherine 2 and Alexander 1 were opened. As if: there was a bunch of rags in Catherine's grave, Alexander had an empty coffin, and Peter 1 was preserved idiotically

                    These are tales. request Sergei Mikhailov and I once discussed this issue, I found an interview with a museum employee of Petropavlovka. The tombs of the tsars were not opened, with the exception of the grave of Alexander III - for the removal of material in order to establish kinship with the remains of Nicholas II and his family. hi
            3. +2
              8 November 2021 20: 20
              Quote: Pan Kohanku
              I think that comparing the portraits of Pyotr Fedorovich and Pavel Petrovich to a certain extent helps to dispel doubts about their blood relationship.

              In order to establish the degree of kinship, it is necessary to open three graves for examination. Peter III, Paul I and Alexander I. With the first two, we either confirm or deny royal paternity. But Alexander is a reference to the legend of Fyodor Kuzmich.
              But no one will do this. For who knows what will come of it ... or it may turn out to be a big embarrassment! what Both for the Romanov family and in the history of Russia, in general. hi
              Some are even ready to climb into bed with Princess Ingigerda, accusing her of adultery in order to explain the Scandinavian origin of the Rurikites ...

              I definitely won't go to her. laughing drinks

              You also have to ask: would Princess Ingigerd want to get into bed with her?
              In fact, at that time women were in the "chains" of conventions.
              We, modern women, have no complexes and look at the world much easier. But I will not like the whole "herd" either.
              By the way, although Astra considers itself modern, it is full of different complexes. Therefore, he calls me "piggy", and herself - "Ratchet".
              Goodbye. Until next time, I hope that soon
      2. +2
        8 November 2021 13: 16
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        There are many thematic sites on this topic.

        I know.
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Go to the relevant site and do not thank.

        Such a "hike" is too much.
        I will explain!
        I don't know how it is now in Russia. But in the Netherlands, if I hammered into the search then the history of your (mine) visits is automatically sent to the provider (in this case, KPN nl.)
        That literally, advertising comes from the "thematic" sites.
        Which is not acceptable in my case, (family).
        But I still, I will take the "audacity" to thank you! hi
        1. +5
          8 November 2021 13: 38
          Quote: Vlad Baryatinsky
          I don't know how it is now in Russia.

          Yes, just the same. Only there are many ways to conduct such surveys on the Internet anonymously, so if you wish, this is not a problem. But I wouldn't drag this topic here. Do not.
  8. +2
    8 November 2021 13: 38
    A marshal worthy of respect both as a commander who did not lose a single battle, and as a person who remained faithful to his principles to the end.
  9. +6
    8 November 2021 15: 22
    There is such a thing, children develop in different ways. Some are fast, others are slow. But it does not follow from this that the former will receive any advantages in life in comparison with the latter. As a child, the future Marshal of France Davout found it difficult to study, but he tried as best he could and left school on September 27, 1785 with the rank of junior lieutenant. Being a needy nobleman, young Davout still managed to enter the most prestigious higher military educational institution - the Paris Military School. The fact that Davout studied there allegedly together with Napoleon is a legend. Napoleon finished school before Davout entered the school, they did not meet there. The main thing is that here, in Paris, the military talents of the future Marshal of France began to be revealed. He not only showed himself to be a capable student, willing to study and trying to comprehend the laws of all military-historical events, he spent a lot of time in the library, for which later, after graduating from an educational institution in 1788 and arriving in the rank of junior lieutenant in the Champagne cavalry regiment, his cousin brother, also d'Avou, who had already served there, sadly and contemptuously - yes, just like that, he said directly: "Our little cousin Louis will never learn to do anything in our profession. He devotes all his time to Montaigne, Rousseau and odd fellows like them. "
    However, the love of books, without making Davout a gentle and condescending person, made Davout one of the most educated marshals of the empire.
  10. +2
    8 November 2021 16: 39
    Was Davout the perfect person?
    No, I was not.
    But he was able to analyze his own mistakes so as not to repeat them ever again. Here is one of them.
    In the days of the revolution, having become Davout instead of d'Ave, which looked patriotic, he went even further, offering himself to one of the journalists surrounded by Mirabeau as a spy. Like, I will hunt down the noble officers in my regiment on condition of anonymity. "Keep my name a secret, and I, being a respectable patriot, can still tell you a lot about what else we have the folly to suffer from."
    The letter, far from nobility, in fact, on the verge of dishonor, was signed by "Chevalier Davout." Paradox?
    What made Davout write him, betraying his principles? Perhaps it was a way to save yourself? The morals were too harsh. Aristocrat? To the wall! Or in general you will be torn to pieces by the brutal crowd. We know about such countless cases, which are now and then remembered in articles about Napoleon's marshals. The cruelty and fury of the revolution knows no boundaries, turning people into beasts ...
    In any case, not a single case of denunciation by Davout is known, and his entire subsequent life path causes only respect.
  11. +2
    8 November 2021 17: 12
    Dear Valery briefly mentions:
    But sympathy for the republic did not save Davout from a short arrest in 1791.


    And it so happened that the immersion of France in the atrocities that the revolution brought, forced everyone to suspect everyone of everything. Republicans - to see in all aristocrats traitors, secretly hatching plans to restore the monarchy, aristocrats - to shudder from the awful fate awaiting them despite their loud statements about their commitment to the ideals of the revolution.
    And in such an atmosphere of horror and suspicion in April - May 1790, in the Champagne regiment, where Louis Davout was then serving, discontent flared up between soldiers and officers. And Davout was the only officer from the command staff who tried to impartially understand the reasons for the mutiny. But he was not supported by anyone - neither soldiers nor officers. A purge took place, about 50 people were fired from the regiment, and Davout, as a suspicious truth-seeker, was arrested and released only after six weeks. Apparently, they somehow figured it out. However, they began to look sideways at him as unreliable, the officers avoided him and the soldiers looked gloomily after him. Davout could not continue to serve in such an environment. In September 1791 he retired and returned to Ravier.
  12. +2
    8 November 2021 17: 34
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Hmmm ...
    Davout began his military career under Louis XVI, who was also Bourbon ...

    In this case, the Bourbons "emigrants" forgot such a detail to judge Davout. And they probably had such a desire
  13. +3
    8 November 2021 18: 26
    Good evening . I really missed an interesting publication.
    The "History" section has been missing on my phone for a week now, and I just came here for it.
    Astra sometimes looks into Armament, but I need history
    1. +1
      8 November 2021 18: 59
      Hello Katya!
      You would at least indicate what segment of history you are interested in, otherwise you know, it is big ...
      1. +2
        8 November 2021 19: 37
        Good evening. I know, but as a woman I need a romantic "seasoning".
        1. +3
          8 November 2021 19: 51
          And there is very little romance in history. Basically: blood, shit and tears. You can endlessly talk about lofty feelings, but in fact ...
          1. +3
            8 November 2021 21: 08
            Anton, do not waste her, otherwise she will cry. Seriously, I don’t like it when a woman cries: am I somehow lost or what? Can't even explain
    2. +2
      8 November 2021 19: 05
      "History", "Armament" often disappear in the tablet itself, and Opinion or in "Mariupol is noticed". There is. For a hundred years I was like a Ukrainian Turk: "Bayraktar"
  14. 0
    8 November 2021 18: 59
    "Emmy Leclerc" comes from a hereditary military family. One of her relatives was a general: "Fighting France" fought against Hitler.
    And the descendants: Ney or the same Davout, what is known about them?
  15. +4
    8 November 2021 19: 12
    Quote: vladcub
    Namesake, greetings. If: "Napoleon's marshals - like a set of keys" then Bonopart in this case: "key" or "economy", which is the same

    Glory You probably meant "key keeper". Yes, I completely agree with you !!! As an administrator, Bonaparte was great!
    1. +3
      8 November 2021 21: 04
      Quite right, I wrote the "key keeper" like this, but the auto editor does not know this.
  16. +2
    8 November 2021 21: 02
    I don't know anything about Victor. In addition to being detailed