Forced simplification: armored vehicles "Toros" and "Squadron" for the Russian army

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STS "Toros". Source: intrall.ru

Cheap and angry


In the rapidly aging line of domestic armored vehicles, it is not difficult to find free niches. So the Intrall consortium specialists decided that the Russian army lacks armored vehicles with a total weight of up to 12 tons. At the same time, they are quite simple and unpretentious. Based on similar considerations, in 2014, engineers presented a truck with the characteristic name "Kolun-5313". This is a three-axle all-wheel drive armored vehicle, assembled on the basis of the ZIL-131 and equipped with the Minsk D245 series turbodiesels with a capacity of 136 and 220 hp. With the engines of the "Kolun" there was a paradox. The 136 horsepower motor is frankly weak for a 12-ton machine and will not provide the proper dynamics. Diesel of 220 horsepower is enough, but here the danger is fraught with a weak undercarriage from the ancient ZIL-131. Initially, the ZIL truck was designed for a 150-horsepower gasoline engine, so an increase of seventy "horses" may well destroy the transmission prematurely. And by and large it's not even about power, but about the impressive torque of the turbodiesels.










"Cleaver" sample 2014. Source: autoreview.ru

"Cleaver", as conceived by the authors, should perform a wide range of tasks - from transporting 19 soldiers to towing artillery installations. The attentive reader will surely point out the name of the car, borrowed from the well-deserved ZIL-157. Among the many respectable nicknames for the truck was the "Cleaver", passed off for the characteristic shape of the hood. However, in terms of technical performance, the Kolun-5313 can be considered a kind of reincarnation of the ZIL-157.

In the "Kolun" of the XXI century, it was decided to abandon the traditional ZIL-131 wheels in favor of massive Ural wheels. The engineers did not come up with any special delicacies for the armored car - the suspension is traditional dependent spring, armored according to the fourth class, and the crew with the landing party do not have any special protection against detonation. There is no V-shaped bottom, the seats are rigidly attached to the floor, there are no stands isolated from the bottom for the fighters' legs, there are no crossbar locks in the armored doors. Upon closer examination of the appearance of the Cleaver, the absence of loopholes on the sides is striking. In fact, there are only three indisputable advantages of the armored car - a relatively low price due to the use of an outdated ZIL-131 platform, a bonneted "disruptive" layout and a charismatic design.

There is complete confusion with the place of the alleged release of "Kolun". On the one hand, the car has the full name of UAMZ "Kolun-5313", and on the other hand, it has no direct relation to the Ural Automotive Plant. The management of the Intrall consortium simply bought out the name of the enterprise in the hope of an appropriate image - the last ZIL-2010 and 130 were produced at UAMZ until 131. Apparently, the Intrall consortium was going to make its own Kolun armored cars from the remaining vehicle sets. The exact place of assembly of prototypes of cars presented back in 2014 is not known for sure. According to some reports, we can talk about an assembly site near Saratov. At one time, the Intrall consortium, leading its history Since 2003, he has been quite seriously engaged in the purchase of Western engineering samples. The rights to the brands Praga (Czech Republic), a Polish factory producing Daewoo trucks and Honker jeeps, were acquired. In 2006, there were plans to launch Intrall Lubo delivery trucks into series, which ended in nothing. So the "Cleavers" never left the status of prototypes. This was largely due to the strange choice of the discontinued ZIL-131 - where were the authors going to take the nodes for a large-scale order?

Nevertheless, on the official Intrall website, developers still offer their armored cars to the Ministry of Emergencies, the Army, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other partners. There are funny inaccuracies in the description of the cars. For example, the own weight of the "Cleaver 4x4" (there is also such a version) is recorded at 9 tons, and the total weight is 5 tons.

"Toros", the younger brother of "Cleaver"


When, in 2013, Intrall decided to offer its vision of light tactical armored vehicles to the Russian law enforcement agencies, the choice fell on the ... BTR-60 platform. More precisely, on the nodes of the independent torsion bar suspension and wheels. It turned out to be a direct competitor to "Tiger", however, losing to him in almost everything. With the exception of the ability to overcome water obstacles by swimming due to the rotation of the wheels - the lead screw of the "Toros" (this is the name given to the armored car at birth) was absent. The developers very interestingly justified themselves for this drawback:

“Having analyzed the options, we abandoned the originally intended use of water cannons or propellers due to the significant loss of the vehicle's payload, which was taken away by the water jet or rowing equipment, without giving any special advantages in floating speed (no more than 10%).”

The engineers decided not to mention that the water jet noticeably improves the handling of the car on the water.




STS "Toros". Source: autoreview.ru

The Intrall consortium offered the 4x4 armored car in three versions at once - the basic one with the index 4901, the commander's open-top 4902 and the sanitary one 4903, an analogue of the modern Russian "Lenza". For most of the nodes "Hummocks" and "Cleaver" are unified, including in the area of ​​weak mine protection. The "Toros" family also has its own recognizable drawback - rear suicidal doors that open against the course. In what kind of combat situation such a solution can be useful, it is not clear. Probably so that the soldiers, hiding behind doors, could keep a perimeter defense. It is quite reasonable, because the "Toros" is completely devoid of loopholes, and return fire will have to be opened from the outside. Suicidal or hinged doors have gotten their name for a reason. In the early days of the automobile industry, many automakers used this solution, but as speed increased, the likelihood of unintentional opening of the door increased. In this case, the air flow could easily throw the unbuckled rider out. Of course, "Toros" with its 136-horsepower engine is not afraid of such a problem. But the open rear doors make an excellent armor plate for bullets ricochet into the cockpit.












STS "Toros". Source: intrall.ru

This is not the only drawback of the Toros platform. For example, it is not completely clear where they wanted to use an armored command vehicle without a top. Did they want the officers to share the fate of J. Kennedy?

It is interesting that the developers compare their brainchild with foreign counterparts, in particular, with the American Oshkosh L-ATV. Armored cars are really similar in size and weight, but this is where the common features end. The Oshkosh is much better equipped with a 300-horsepower Duramax hybrid diesel engine. In addition, the light armored car is equipped with an automatic gearbox, which greatly facilitates control. Nothing of the kind is foreseen for "Toros" even in the long term. Which does not prevent the authors from writing the following:

"The special vehicle" Toros "has already been twice presented at the events of the RF Ministry of Defense and passed the first approbation in the corresponding unit of the special forces of the Russian Army. Moreover, during this period, our specialists have solved a number of technical problems that significantly improve the characteristics of the Russian machine in comparison with its American counterpart. "

What exactly surpassed the "Toros" overseas analogue remained a military secret.

Despite all the identified shortcomings and frankly outdated design, in 2018 there was information about the adoption of "Toros". While as an airborne vehicle for the Airborne Forces. Whether the purchase actually went through is unknown.

Special vehicle "Squadron"


It is not easy to create armored vehicles from scratch - in this rather specific industry, experience and a thorough analysis of the combat use of equipment are of great importance. Military acceptance alone is worth something. Many innovations and design rules had to pay with the blood of fighters. Civilian companies do not have many chances to withstand the competition with such market giants as KamAZ, Ural and GAZ. Nevertheless, the Intrall consortium does not despair and in 2015 presented the lightweight buggy "Squadron". The machine is unified in individual units with AvtoVAZ products and is equipped with a mysterious

"The latest low-temperature hybrid powertrain that allows you to stealthily and silently navigate in any extreme conditions for the final step."

The most surprising thing is that the "Squadron" is a single armored buggy with unguided missile launchers strapped to the sides. The authors of the project, obviously, are fans of "Mad Max", since they allowed this to be shown to the army leadership. The developers themselves are confused in the testimony - the prototype of the "Squadron" is intended either for reconnaissance of the Airborne Forces, or for assault units.





Forced simplification: armored vehicles "Toros" and "Squadron" for the Russian army


Originally the Squadron buggy was supposed to be like this. Source: youtube.com

In 2015, the buggy took part in army tests, after which the military said that they would consider such a technique only in a four-seater version. Simply put, it was reasonable to abandon the "Mad Max" chariot. As a result, in 2017-2018. thoroughly revised machines "Squadron - 3" and "Squadron - 4" were offered. All-wheel drive buggies, designed for four riders with equipment, but completely devoid of armor. The main advantage of such a technique is the speed, which, according to the engineers, allows you to dodge bullets. A controversial statement given the prevalence of automatic weapons from partisan gangs, against which buggies will work.






Light tactical vehicle Squadron-9904. Photo: Vitaly Kuzmin

High speed requires high power-to-weight ratio, and here Intrall had a hitch. In the domestic motor line, there is no compact high-powered unit suitable for a buggy. As a result, they built a duet of two VAZ engines, in total giving out 244 hp. No, the engineers were inspired by the legacy of the legendary BTR-60. It is unnecessary to talk about what problems paired motors can cause in real operation.






Light tactical vehicle Squadron-9903. Photo: Vitaly Kuzmin

The concept of the shock-reconnaissance buggy itself is quite controversial, and even more so on the example of the Squadron series vehicles. Lightweight transports, adapted for movement inside and on the external sling of helicopters, are woven from compromises. Height restrictions do not allow you to raise the ground clearance, and this will have the most negative effect on overcoming snow. Or will they fight on buggies only in the summer and only in the southern regions? Bodies exposed to all winds will seriously limit the use of cars in the northern regions. Nevertheless, we are seeing a real surge of interest in combat buggies in Russia. Many say that this is a consequence of the Syrian experience, but, most likely, we are talking about an elementary borrowing of the next Western ideas.
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  1. +12
    1 November 2021 05: 34
    There is no V-shaped bottom, the seats are rigidly attached to the floor, there are no stands isolated from the bottom for the fighters' legs, there are no crossbar locks in the armored doors.
    In general, this is a verdict for a model.
    Did they want the officers to share the fate of J. Kennedy?
    Yes, next to him, at least a pretty citizen was sitting! laughing
    1. +18
      1 November 2021 07: 49
      To this buggy you need to attach tools on the sides in the spans, caliber 180 mm. We'll get a land-based disposable cruiser, because after the first shot, this miracle will fall apart instantly! And so in the army there is a variety of such "bronedelok", and three new "toys" absurdly unnecessary blinded !!!
      1. +1
        1 November 2021 10: 41
        Machine guns were first installed on carts and then on motorcycles a long time ago.
        This design can be used for the manufacture of factory "carts". Now Toyota is used for this, and here you can use a remote-controlled machine gun and a ready-made armored chassis. But it is better to use such designs immediately for sale in third countries, where machine-gun armored vehicles are still relevant, for example, in the fight against drug cartels, which are already building their own armored vehicles. On clearings in the jungle and in impassable mud, such a machine should gallop quite briskly, scaring crocodiles out of the ditches. And for self-defense - to move only in a group of their counterparts. And this is the economy - a pack of such simple and constructively clumsy vehicles for the local police is much cheaper both in purchase and in operation than serious equipment. The main customers are Mexico, Latin America, Africa and the Middle East, although good air filters for the engine are desirable in some places and snorkels to protect against water hammer in some places.
      2. 0
        8 December 2021 01: 50
        In this buggy you need to fasten dummies, radio control and a couple of micro-caliber machine guns for noise and attention. A normal distraction target will come out.
    2. +7
      1 November 2021 07: 53
      But what a flight of creative imagination.
      Max's armor capsule alone is worth something
      1. +2
        1 November 2021 08: 05
        Quote: vladcub
        Max's armor capsule alone is worth something

        Maximobil has already arrived, sign for NURS! laughing
    3. -7
      1 November 2021 14: 29
      something else is important here - in the event of a protracted conflict, the production of cheap armored cars is needed ..
      1. +3
        3 November 2021 00: 05
        Quote: Barberry25
        in the event of a protracted conflict, the production of cheap armored cars is needed.

    4. 0
      4 December 2021 22: 37
      Well, go to the factory as an engineer to correct the situation, since you understand well, and do not write comments on the Internet for 12 likes, especially unnecessary to anyone. How tired of expert comments from Internet critics, it has disappeared everywhere.
      1. -1
        7 December 2021 06: 11
        Quote: novel 1
        well, go to the factory as an engineer to correct the situation, since you understand so well
        It is not even necessary to be a design engineer for the lack of mine protection to be considered a fatal drawback. A little bit of intelligence and knowledge is enough for this.

        Quote: novel 1
        how tired of expert comments from internet critics
        Well, prove brilliantly, like a true non-Internet expert, that the absence of mine protection is such an unattainable advantage of the presented sample. laughing
  2. +22
    1 November 2021 06: 00
    Tfu, aphids, a set of shushpanzers ... It's not even this stuffed with MLRS the most relish. What kind of beast is this - BRONEbuggy? It's like an armored scooter, all the advantages of a buggy are speed and weight, which gives cross-country ability with mobility.
    Did they all smoke there, or does Musk supervise them? However, they are one and the same
    1. +22
      1 November 2021 06: 10
      Everything is more banal. In order for the MO to even pay attention, a chip is needed. At what such which does not have others. So they mold everything. Nothing shines for these machines. But the fact that the MO, even in theory, can take an experimental batch for testing makes a huge plus in the advertising booklet. Here and pyzhatsya.
      1. +5
        1 November 2021 06: 27
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Everything is more banal. In order for the MO to even pay attention, a chip is needed. At what such which does not have others.

        I think that's not even the point, but in our system of competitions. Well, there simply must be at least some kind of competitor. At least cardboard.
      2. +23
        1 November 2021 07: 35
        Quote: carstorm 11
        What would MO at least pay attention, you need a chip

        Or, at least, an interested person in the MO. The co-owner would have sat there, maybe they would have pushed through something.
    2. +13
      1 November 2021 08: 11
      Quote: Cowbra
      What kind of beast is this - BRONEbuggy?

      The idea is taken from an old computer toy C&C Generals)))
      1. +3
        1 November 2021 17: 04
        In! And they say that there is no benefit from toys except harm! laughing
        1. +1
          17 November 2021 10: 23
          You have not seen this crossout yet. There such shushpantsy ride ... That straight fear takes.
          1. 0
            17 November 2021 10: 30
            So post the screen, curious. smile
    3. +6
      1 November 2021 08: 22
      Quote: Cowbra
      Tfu, aphids, a set of shushpants ...

      It is impossible to disagree here.
      Buggy MO bought more adequate.
  3. 0
    1 November 2021 06: 21
    rocket-free armored bugs and open options - for commercial sale! such cool cars will turn out! (joke!)
  4. +5
    1 November 2021 06: 29
    I liked the Squadron. I do not know the attitude of the military towards him, but for forest protection he is the very thing. For foresters, gamekeepers, forest fire service is just right. Make it as easy as possible, remove all military pribluda, except for the radio. Provide any kind of equipment for point or small fire extinguishing within the area of ​​responsibility of the forester. You can even now make an experimental batch and run it in fire hazardous areas. Summer, as they say, is just around the corner. soldier
    1. +1
      1 November 2021 07: 31
      Quote: V.
      Provide any kind of equipment for point or small fire extinguishing within the area of ​​responsibility of the forester.
      The anti-mine bottom is, of course, redundant for such a machine, but fire-resistant, which means that it is solid - it is vitally important, it seems to me, but it is not.
      1. 0
        1 November 2021 13: 38
        I agree with you. I would also like to hear the opinion of professionals, for example, foresters or foresters (sorry, I don't remember how to do it correctly) whether they need such a car or not. In principle, looking at the Squadron, this is a super harsh version of NIVA from Chelyabinsk. soldier
    2. Aag
      +2
      1 November 2021 16: 31
      Quote: V.
      I liked the Squadron. I do not know the attitude of the military towards him, but for forest protection he is the very thing. For foresters, gamekeepers, forest fire service is just right. Make it as easy as possible, remove all military pribluda, except for the radio. Provide any kind of equipment for point or small fire extinguishing within the area of ​​responsibility of the forester. You can even now make an experimental batch and run it in fire hazardous areas. Summer, as they say, is just around the corner. soldier

      I don't think that in the taiga they will be delighted with the two VAZ engines (and, for sure, electronically controlled) ... And the useful volume, carrying capacity, there will be a priority over speed.
      1. 0
        2 November 2021 07: 55
        I think that it is not a problem for the civilian variants of the Squadron to select one appropriate engine, for example from the GAZ-53, to refine the low effective rpm. The main thing in the Squadron is the price. In appearance, this buggy has a simplified design and the price should not be exorbitant. To work in hard-to-reach places and taiga, there should be a minimum of electronic tricks, such as in NIVE of the first release. Well, for civilian versions, of course, the installation of doors. In such a configuration, it will certainly be a competitor to UAZ and NIVE, if the price is also two times lower than these models. soldier
        1. Aag
          +1
          2 November 2021 08: 41
          Quote: V.
          I think that it is not a problem for the civilian variants of the Squadron to select one appropriate engine, for example from the GAZ-53, to refine the low effective rpm. The main thing in the Squadron is the price. In appearance, this buggy has a simplified design and the price should not be exorbitant. To work in hard-to-reach places and taiga, there should be a minimum of electronic tricks, such as in NIVE of the first release. Well, for civilian versions, of course, the installation of doors. In such a configuration, it will certainly be a competitor to UAZ and NIVE, if the price is also two times lower than these models. soldier

          Those. You are perfectly aware of the problem! hi
          ... I do not think that with the "simplifications" you have listed, the price for these crafts will be lower than for UAZ, "Niva" ...
          At least because of the small batch size, plus a shortage of spare parts ...
    3. +2
      1 November 2021 21: 43
      Zil-157 (Mormon)

      1. 0
        13 May 2022 13: 24
        INTER AND NOT MORMON.
  5. +6
    1 November 2021 06: 40
    In general, the ZIL-131 is a three-axle vehicle. All pictures except 2 are biaxial.
    Therefore, I personally could not understand what the article is about.
    1. +2
      1 November 2021 07: 48
      Actually, there is "creativity of lovers"
      1. Aag
        +1
        1 November 2021 16: 45
        Quote: vladcub
        Actually, there is "creativity of lovers"

        If we exclude the quotes, it's a shame for amateurs.)) They often create more adequate devices ... with more limited capabilities. And, well, yes, there are no managers above them ...
    2. 0
      1 November 2021 21: 47
      Therefore, I personally could not understand what the article is about.

      The article is muddy, the pulls for .... are noticeable to the naked eye.
      And if "armed" ...
  6. +5
    1 November 2021 06: 43
    Why waste time on trifles ... why is this bronebuggy .. here is a ready-made sample ... on the Territory without signs of the state can be taken as a basis
  7. 0
    1 November 2021 06: 43
    And these are there too. In Ukraine, a "presidential" armored cabriolet was created for the parade, and here - a "commander" one ....
  8. +1
    1 November 2021 07: 37
    There is no information about detonation tests, mine protection as such is absent (judging by the article). Conclusion - such a machine of the RF Armed Forces is simply not needed, in fact, like the Iveco-Lynx / Tiger.
  9. +1
    1 November 2021 07: 45
    As I understand it, Intrall are some kind of amateur designers.
    About them I.A.Krylov - The trouble is that the shoemaker bakes pies
    1. +1
      1 November 2021 08: 02
      As I understand it, Intrall are some kind of amateur designers.

      Do not scold the designers and constructors, they have done their job, the cars are running. Nowadays, designers are simple performers of "brilliant" ideas of top managers, with the formation of "administrative management", thinking how to get in their "unique" product ...
      1. 0
        1 November 2021 08: 52
        if top managers, with the formation of "administrative management", thinking how to get their "unique" product in, sell this product, then designers and designers will receive a salary, so each has his own job
      2. +2
        1 November 2021 12: 55
        Top managers are also different: they are brainy, but there is: "rocking and two ears", but self-esteem goes off scale
    2. 0
      1 November 2021 12: 44
      As I understand it, Intrall are some kind of amateur designers.

      Rather, designers. All components and assemblies are purchased, the design is primitive, but the appearance is formidable.
      1. 0
        1 November 2021 12: 57
        And nothing else is needed
      2. 0
        10 November 2021 09: 46
        It's good that there are people trying to design something! It’s bad that they don’t try or cann’t offer something innovative that drives progress! By the way, this is the problem of our economy today, the "Kulibins" are stupidly unable to move progress, since there is no technological base for this.
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  11. +1
    1 November 2021 08: 44
    I see in the photo
    stump or shorty
    log level
    young technician
    or model constructor
  12. -1
    1 November 2021 09: 08
    Why do you need an armored car based on a vehicle that does not exist.? Moreover, the whole range of trucks is now produced in the Russian Federation .... 1,5 tons, 3 tons, 5 tons and more.
    1. -1
      1 November 2021 09: 54
      Why do you need an armored car based on a car that does not exist.?

      It could be simpler ... why do you need a police armored car?
      1. +1
        1 November 2021 10: 08
        Well, the Russian Federation is not the USSR, but a full-fledged capitalist state ...... in the recent past with a civil war on the territory.
      2. 0
        1 November 2021 18: 35
        Interesting you, well, why do you need an armored car, indifferently of departmental affiliation?)
  13. +3
    1 November 2021 13: 32
    This office makes the impression of a slippery sharaga, as well as its unsurpassed masterpieces, I note.
    1. +3
      1 November 2021 17: 43
      The average number of employees of Intrall Rus LLC is 8 people. Revenue is about 8 million. Loss of 62 thousand rubles.
      The original British-Russian automotive company headquartered in London bankrupt for many years
      1. 0
        1 November 2021 18: 33
        Everything is very clear, thank you for the specifics)
      2. 0
        3 November 2021 19: 23
        Quote: Alex_Bora
        The original British-Russian automotive company headquartered in London bankrupt for many years

        It is not surprising, because it is abbreviated as BRAC (British-Russian Automobile Company) laughing
  14. 0
    1 November 2021 17: 45
    Reincarnation of the BTR-152 on a modern element base wink
    1. 0
      1 November 2021 22: 43
      On a non-modern base
  15. 0
    1 November 2021 17: 53
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Quote: Cowbra
    Tfu, aphids, a set of shushpants ...

    It is impossible to disagree here.
    Buggy MO bought more adequate.

    Pokatushki are demonstrations that have nothing to do with combat use. Soldiers on the roof, no protection, no armored turret - potential XNUMXth. To put the authors of this all there, and on an internship in Syria. sad
    1. +1
      1 November 2021 21: 51
      Quote: Radikal
      Pokatushki - showings,

      Worse.
      Just working off the dough by order.
      Ride in this video is very bad.
      Well .... harnessed and drove off.
  16. +1
    1 November 2021 23: 42
    and what is the meaning of a dozen different armored vehicles in the army?
  17. 0
    3 November 2021 11: 00
    "speed, allowing, according to engineers, to dodge bullets"
    Wow! They made supersonic buggies!
  18. 0
    9 November 2021 11: 31
    Talking not tossing bags, hummocks he doesn’t like a bum, go better make a talker.
  19. -1
    10 November 2021 20: 15
    And what. Great cars. The main thing is to show them on the Zvezda channel in the Military Acceptance program and call them an outstanding creation. And then there are GAZ-69 and GAZ-66. Just for the modern Russian army.
  20. 0
    16 November 2021 22: 42
    These fools learn only from their mistakes, smart ones also learn from other people's experience. But I would like to ask, what in the class "light armored vehicles" so BRDM-2 "does not channel"? The hybrid of an armored car with a cargo chassis was abandoned back in World War II. If it was really so necessary, it was necessary to finish the "Vodnik".
  21. 0
    9 January 2022 21: 37
    What can I say .... Spent!))))
  22. 0
    13 January 2022 20: 18
    Two motors in front and a third spare at the back
  23. 0
    7 February 2022 08: 53
    The view is terrible....