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Ukraine is unhappy with Berlin's reaction to the use of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of an attack drone in Donbas

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The diplomatic representative of Kiev Andriy Melnyk considered the statement of the German authorities about the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which used the unmanned Aviation to strike at the positions of the People's Militia of the DPR. The diplomat said that Ukraine is dissatisfied with the reaction of Berlin to the use of the APU shock drone Bayraktar TB 2 in Donbass and even “strongly rejects” the statement of his colleague from Germany.


The Ukrainian ambassador to Germany said this to the German newspaper Bild.

Melnyk noted that by striking from the air, Ukraine exercised its "legal right to self-defense." He considers the German expression of concern unnecessary. Instead, according to the ambassador, Berlin should attach all the conditions for organizing a meeting in the "Normandy format" in order to "put Russia in its place."

Such was the reaction of the Ukrainian diplomat to the statement of the representative of the German Foreign Ministry Andrea Sasse. She said Berlin knows about the use of drums drones in the Donbas and places responsibility for it on both sides of the conflict.

This is another manifestation of the fact that the representatives of Kiev are trying to teach their Western partners how to act. At the same time, Ukrainian politicians and diplomats are seriously confident that they have every right to do so.

Earlier, the Ukrainian media reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine used the Bayraktar TB2 strike drone for the first time in Donbas. Soon this information was confirmed by the General Staff of Ukraine. At the same time, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine suddenly backed down, announcing that "the information was misinterpreted." Misinterpreted by whom? By the minister himself or by the chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? ..
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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 28 October 2021 15: 18
    +11
    Another clown. Well, then let him whip Merkel with rods at the end. Not happy after all.
    The diplomatic representative of Kiev Andriy Melnik considered the statement of the German authorities about the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which used unmanned aircraft in hostilities in the Donbas to strike at the positions of the People's Militia of the DPR, was wrong. The diplomat said that Ukraine is unhappy with Berlin's reaction to the use of the Bayraktar TB 2 attack drone by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Donbas and even "strongly rejects" the statement of his colleague from Germany.

    Sooner or later, such impudence will end with the fact that everyone will send this wonderful country and it will remain at a broken trough with collective farmers in embroidered shirts.
    1. The black
      The black 28 October 2021 15: 35
      +10
      Wow! Unhappy! ... The pug decided to grab the hand of the master's servant ... laughing
      Call the German ambassador, and roll him a note of protest. And also to threaten to impose sanctions against Germany. Come on lads, do not hesitate. And then the Germans are completely unbelted, they do not respect the great ukrov bully
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 28 October 2021 18: 26
        +1
        Another performance against the Germans sitting in Berlin insolent dill ... well, a VERY stupid clown who considers himself a diplomat - Andreika Melnik. The fact that aircraft are NOT allowed to be within 30 km of the contact line is nonsense. Ukrainian, in his opinion - you can! laughing
    2. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 28 October 2021 15: 57
      -1
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      collective farmers in embroidered shirts.

      colgospniks, actually)

      because
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 28 October 2021 16: 36
      +1
      Another clown. Well, then let him whip Merkel with rods at the end. Not happy after all.

      This clown has been stinking for so long and so radically that one gets the impression that he is aiming for big politics. On the other hand, the "Svidomo" have very, very many claims to Merkel since the time before 2014.
    4. private person
      private person 28 October 2021 17: 23
      0
      sooner or later that everyone will send this wonderful country

      The fact of the matter is that the country is kept on a leash like a pug that barks at an elephant Russia. As long as there is Russia and the land. As our guarantor said, they are the brotherly people.
  2. sifgame
    sifgame 28 October 2021 15: 20
    +11
    There was no blow, the Minister of Defense himself said, all the intrigues of the Muscovites. Well, a madhouse. Well this is how many feeble-minded degenerates gathered at once in the power of Ukraine. One can only condole with ordinary citizens.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 28 October 2021 16: 25
      +1
      Quote: sifgame
      There was no blow, the Minister of Defense himself said, all the intrigues of the Muscovites

      Actually, yes, it looks like a staged shooting. The howitzer is in place, the crew scattered, not even shell-shocked ... Where did this happen? When? The ministers are already confused in their testimonies ... It reminds me of the episode with Babchenko. When they realized that something went wrong, they "turned on the back" ... the site was hacked, the garbage drawn was posted ...
  3. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 28 October 2021 15: 22
    +1
    striking from the air, Ukraine exercised its "legal right to self-defense"

    And while considering the territory and residents ukroinoy.
    Well, aren't they silly?
    We are waiting for Armor, they were in the Donbass.
  4. bk316
    bk316 28 October 2021 15: 22
    +34
    assigns responsibility for it on both sides conflict.

    Do I understand correctly that Germany has information that the DPR has attack drones?
    In general, it is necessary to demonstratively destroy the control station (fortunately, 404 have only 2 of them) and thus guarantee the Minsk agreements. I think there are a lot of technical possibilities for this.
    1. Silver bullet
      Silver bullet 28 October 2021 15: 48
      +15
      I'll give you a bold plus. It is not the airplane that needs to be shot, but the station needs to be demolished. The faster, the better for the defenders of Donbass.
    2. Kurare
      Kurare 28 October 2021 16: 06
      +2
      Quote: bk316
      Do I understand correctly that Germany has information that the DPR has attack drones?

      By this they meant that the UAV was attacked by the D-30 crew, i.e. a weapon that "Putin's army brought to Donbass" (quoted by the Bild newspaper). So, Frau Sasse even indirectly accused Russia as a "participant in the conflict."
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 28 October 2021 16: 39
      +3
      I think there are a lot of technical possibilities for this.

      Where does a lot of opportunities come from?
      Russia naturally has such opportunities, but the militia does not have them .. And the opportunity to do this as if by the forces of the militia, as I understand it, is also not very good.
      1. novel66
        novel66 28 October 2021 17: 50
        -1
        and it is high time to stop this garbage, and shit about the station, all that is, and warn that in the future it will be so. take the example of the Jews!
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 28 October 2021 18: 51
          +2
          Well, I mean that this can be done only by directly intervening in the conflict. "From around the corner" and the resources of the "Voentorg", as it was done before, will no longer work.
          1. novel66
            novel66 28 October 2021 20: 43
            +1
            without interfering, but leading!
          2. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 29 October 2021 00: 42
            +1
            If I'm not mistaken, we have been told for the 8th year that we are interfering in the conflict ...
          3. bk316
            bk316 29 October 2021 14: 34
            0
            as it was done before, it will no longer work.

            What's the problem? The coordinates of the control station are known.
            Drive any kamikaze drone to the militia. Yes, in the end, you can make an individual order or transfer the same lancet if the range is enough for it. I think Kalashnikov will definitely manage in a month and no one will find the ends: well, a drone, well, all of the Chinese parts of a well-unknown design ...
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 29 October 2021 16: 47
              0
              What's the problem? The coordinates of the control station are known.

              Well, if so, accurately determining the coordinates is also another task and will require the supply of something for this.
              The Lancet's range is problem number 1, it is noticeably shorter than the Bayraktar's range.
              The lancet is most likely identified by the wreckage. no secrecy of use will work.
              Creating a separate UAV solely for stealth is too difficult and troublesome.
              Well, the combat unit of the Lancet is not so big for destruction and materiel and calculation may not be enough.

              Yes, and they say everything has already quieted down there. The ukrovoyaks retreated by scolding Zelensky. The West did not support Ukronatsi, Russia did not get involved in the conflict.
              1. bk316
                bk316 1 November 2021 19: 13
                0
                The lancet is most likely identified by the wreckage.

                But how can he be identified if he has not entered service yet and has not been supplied to anyone?
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 1 November 2021 19: 58
                  0
                  How do the Eagles recognize?
                  https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/3928554-vsu-sbyly-na-donbasse-rossyiskyi-bespylotnyk
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 2 November 2021 11: 35
                    0
                    Well, first of all, they are also not particularly recognized by all this highlighted like.
                    And secondly, eagles have been in service for a long time and have been demonstrated hundreds of times at all kinds of exhibitions. And the lancet?
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 2 November 2021 12: 20
                      0
                      And the lancet?

                      And what about the lancet? that he has not been shown at exhibitions?
                      During the Karabakh conflict, the missiles that exploded on the "remains" were somehow identified as anti-aircraft and ballistic ones.
                      1. bk316
                        bk316 2 November 2021 19: 37
                        +1
                        that he has not been shown at exhibitions?

                        only the prototype has not yet passed the state ..
        2. flicker
          flicker 28 October 2021 22: 58
          0
          but it's high time to stop this garbage, and shit about the station, all that is

          Why so? We must fight not with the effect, but with the cause, that is, with the owners.

          They demonstrate to the whole world that Ukraine has gone crazy, has chosen a clown for the presidency, and that in a Kholui stupor can fire a rocket all over Russia.
          ---
          If the West decided to mow down like fools, like, it's not us, it's Ukraine that has gone mad, then you can respond to the madness of Ukraine ... with the madness of Ukraine.

          We will confirm that Ukraine has gone crazy, carried out a daring operation and intercepted a mobile YARS from Russia, transferred it to / to Ukraine, confused the coordinates with a hangover, and instead of Moscow banged across London or Istanbul (hello to Erdogan).
          Ukraine is insane. request belay
      2. Raven 95
        Raven 95 28 October 2021 18: 07
        +6
        And the possibilities to do this as if by the forces of the militia, as I understand it, are also not very good.

        Well, you never know, what kind of militia, collecting potatoes from himself "Caliber", accidentally finds in the garden, and decides: "but not if they beat them at both control stations" ...
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 28 October 2021 15: 36
    +9
    Probably, the DNR should have a UAV Lancet to level the situation to 0. And then divide the responsibility equally, otherwise now the statement of the German Foreign Ministry sounds strange.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 28 October 2021 16: 10
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      It seems like the Ukrainians fired at the DPR, but they were found guilty, in a place with Ukraine

      there, it seems, is presented as follows: the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were fired upon from the D-30, killing one zoldat, in response the SUGS raised the drone and destroyed the weapon, and the crew "fled". "Russian" funds Air defense and electronic warfare (yes, that's right) failed to notice the drone and jam. There was an overload. The drone, equipped with a wide AI, was about to fly to bomb the Kremlin, but he was lured back, urgently pouring onto the braZZers hard video with a cliff at the most interesting place.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 28 October 2021 16: 14
        +5
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        there, it seems, is presented as follows: the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were fired upon from the D-30, killing one zoldat, in response the SUGS raised the drone and destroyed the gun,

        It seems that the war has been going on for several years and have the DRN got such stupid calculations? We have never heard that after the shelling it can be covered with a response and it is necessary to change the position
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 28 October 2021 16: 36
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          It seems that the war has been going on for several years and have the DRN got such stupid calculations? We have never heard that after the shelling it can be covered with a response and it is necessary to change the position

          The Ukrainian blogger claims that the battery was deployed 15 km from the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so the gunners felt safe. At least they weren't expecting a drone. As it really was - xs.
  6. Stepan S
    Stepan S 28 October 2021 15: 37
    +3
    The West forgives too much of Kiev and allows it, closes its eyes to all their dirty deeds, so they have become insolent to the region, they are already shouting at their Euro-patrons and pointing out what to say and what to do.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2021 15: 49
      +5
      Quote: Stepan S
      The West forgives too much of Kiev and allows it, closes its eyes to all their dirty deeds

      yes, not the west, WE allow too much and close our eyes
      at first, the "elections" of 14 years old were recognized as legitimate, and after that they endured all the antics from shelling the territory of the Russian Federation and ending with the processions of the Nazis
  7. steelmaker
    steelmaker 28 October 2021 15: 38
    -4
    The drone strike is another spit in the face of Russia. Well, what about Russia? He will be obliterated as usual and will forget how they have forgotten the already kidnapped Russian citizen.
    "As for the reports on the use of the Bayraktar drone by the Ukrainian armed forces on positions in Donbass, we are now rechecking this information," said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, answering Kommersant's question. "—Https: //www.kommersant.ru/ doc / 5051898? utm_referrer = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fzen.yandex.com & utm_campaign = dbr
    The drone is being hit on all channels, and Lavrov is rechecking. I say: "Mediocrity rule!"
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 28 October 2021 17: 11
      +2
      The next day, a material appeared on the website Dialogue.UA, which claimed that the head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, Andriy Taran, denied information about the use of Turkish drones. “Ukraine has never used Bayraktar attack drones in the conflict in eastern Ukraine ... The video that is being disseminated in the media is a fake of pro-Russian mercenaries. The video clearly shows that the pre-laid engineering charge, and not the drone's ammunition, was triggered ... With the help of such videos, the Russian side is once again trying to accuse Ukraine of violating the Minsk agreements and escalating the conflict, ”the publication said allegedly on behalf of the minister. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5051957

      And there is such a thing ...
      1. steelmaker
        steelmaker 28 October 2021 17: 26
        -2
        Don't you take into account a frank confession? Television of Ukraine, the statement of the military! And this? You also say that LDNR, themselves are constantly bombarded and the houses of peaceful people are blown up. What kind of Lavrov are you worried about? Lavrov would be so worried when Russians are constantly being killed. And then one says: "There is no alternative to Minsk!"
        1. I am not a robot
          I am not a robot 28 October 2021 17: 53
          +1
          Well, a bad peace is better than a bloody war- "There is no alternative to the Minsk people!" and what alternatives do you propose for example
        2. Brturin
          Brturin 28 October 2021 17: 54
          -1
          Confessions ... but in any case, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should not make hasty statements - and the "old helmets" were removed and even the queen, who was over 90 they danced with ... but the pause after ", we are now rechecking this information" should not be delayed .. . someone should clearly indicate the position, what it was ... but with this ...
      2. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 28 October 2021 17: 29
        -1
        Quote: BrTurin
        And there is such a thing ...

        This is a completely different episode. In April, a 5-year-old boy was allegedly killed by a drone in Aleksandrovskoye.
    2. Orkraider
      Orkraider 28 October 2021 18: 14
      +2
      ... The drone is being hit on all channels, and Lavrov is rechecking.


      From your point of view, is the display on all information channels the measure of credibility?

      Foreign Minister has no right
      take on faith information that is not confirmed from several sources, preferably independent of each other. Therefore, Lavrov absolutely rightly stated about the recheck.
      Moreover, he just voices the official position, within the allocated corridor, and does not form it.

      But in general, yes, an unpleasant aftertaste. And then the use of UAVs will continue, they were not just bought in the same way ...
  8. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2021 15: 44
    +8
    maybe it's time not to frown any more ...? !!!!!
  9. cniza
    cniza 28 October 2021 15: 45
    +4
    At the same time, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine suddenly went for an understandable one, announcing that "the information was incorrectly interpreted." Misinterpreted by whom? By the minister himself or by the chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? ..


    He backtracked or understood, but for this he must be punished and very much ...
    1. parathyron
      parathyron 28 October 2021 16: 47
      +2
      This is a mistake, he would never have gone for an understandable one, his work is such smile
      1. cniza
        cniza 28 October 2021 21: 07
        +1
        So I understand, but there is no result ...
  10. s.adviser
    s.adviser 28 October 2021 15: 46
    -3
    The circus . Battle of the clowns
  11. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 28 October 2021 15: 46
    +3
    The defense minister does not know what the commander of the armed forces is doing. It's just Makhnovism. In a detachment of three Ukrainians, there are three hetmans. :-) And all Putin's agents ...
    1. Ramon Mercader
      Ramon Mercader 28 October 2021 17: 13
      +1
      Two Ukrainians are a partisan detachment. Three Ukrainians - a partisan detachment with a traitor.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 28 October 2021 15: 53
    +2
    Ukraine is unhappy with Berlin's reaction to the use of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of an attack drone in Donbas
    But who will listen to her indignation .. except for the same ones, defenders, small locals.
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 October 2021 21: 08
      +2
      The frame is definitely stoned in the wrong place, it will be interesting to watch ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 October 2021 07: 28
        +1
        If we consider that it is "assimilated", it seems that it was born with "bamboo" in its teeth ... there was never anything that was not assimilated from it.
        1. cniza
          cniza 29 October 2021 08: 58
          +2
          Here is the true face of Ukraine - everyone owes us and we want ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 October 2021 10: 27
            +1
            Everything is clear there ... their Foreign Ministry is a concentrated expression of the wishes of the temporary workers, who ... they do not just harm the state a lot, there is no benefit at all.
            1. cniza
              cniza 29 October 2021 16: 31
              +2
              There, the entire top lives with Wishlist and Mriyas ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 29 October 2021 18: 18
                +1
                Their top is very strange ... whoever does not take, by the gills, is still a specimen!
  13. Poison Ink
    Poison Ink 28 October 2021 16: 56
    0
    And how is it - one side used the drone, and both are to blame?
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 28 October 2021 17: 31
      -5
      Quote: Poison Ink
      And how is it - one side used the drone, and both are to blame?

      Disposition: first, the DPR used a prohibited weapon 122mm, in response, the Armed Forces used a prohibited aircraft.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 28 October 2021 19: 27
        0
        And before that, someone else got into the forbidden "gray zone" ...
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 28 October 2021 21: 21
          -1
          Quote: alexmach
          And before that, someone else got into the forbidden "gray zone" ...

          and before "before that". And before.
  14. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 28 October 2021 18: 07
    +1
    In general, it is not clear why there is so much attention to such an ordinary event. Moreover, it is not clear whether there was a drone there at all? Some argue that this is a Turkish video from Karabakh. For the Turks it is clear - this is another advertisement for their super - duper "bayraktar"))) but the rest, so what? Anyone who doesn’t understand perfectly well that in the event of a serious "hack" in Donbass, Russia has electronic warfare equipment to put all navigation and communications, not only in Donbass, but also in the vicinity. Those. this Turkish advertising campaign has no practical value.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 28 October 2021 19: 30
      -1
      In general, it is not clear why there is so much attention

      understands perfectly well that in the case of a serious "hack"

      Well, because there is so much attention because it seems that things are heading towards a serious cut, which, by the way, the Ukrainians are striving for for some reason, because a means has appeared that, without a "serious cut", has nothing to oppose, and in the event of the continuation of the "conflict of low intensity" , the Ukrainian side will use it with impunity and will receive certain advantages.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 28 October 2021 19: 58
        0
        Ukrainians are tired of this war and everything connected with this maydanut nonsense worse than a bitter radish. The aggravation in the Donbass is primarily beneficial to the Washington Reich Chancellery, thus they hope to barter something from Putin
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 28 October 2021 20: 01
          0
          Ukrainians are tired of this war and everything connected with this maydanut nonsense worse than a bitter radish.

          And yet they once again climb into the noose.

          PS: it was not so long ago that Vicki Nudelman visited Russia, then there were guesses that the United States and Russia would agree on something in Ukraine ... now it seems it is already obvious that they did not agree ...
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 28 October 2021 20: 03
            0
            They do not climb, they are driven there. These are two different things.
  15. Borisych
    Borisych 29 October 2021 00: 40
    0
    Autumn in Ukraine. Aggravation, for Ze it is the last, the end of autumn and the end of the leader of the block 95. What will happen in the winter? In winter, Father Makhno will be there, beat them all, they are not ours.
  16. eehnie
    eehnie 29 October 2021 01: 41
    -1
    Ukraine will not change how Europe reacts in these cases.
  17. sgr291158
    sgr291158 29 October 2021 04: 39
    0
    Autumn aggravation, the brain stops working.