Double-headed "Eagle": Why China needs a new fighter based on J-20

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First went


China began testing the world's first two-seater Fifth-generation fighterbased on the Chengdu J-20 "Black Eagle".

By itself, its development did not become news, however, the impression was that a disinformation field was being deliberately created around the project.



Last year, the South China Morning Post showed the two-seater J-20, which has a side-by-side arrangement of pilots, similar to how we see it on the Su-24 and Su-34 (a strange and not very good solution for a fighter, I must admit).

Another fake version looked more like a combat training version of the Eurofighter Typhoon.


However, the military blogs of the social network Weibo have recently dotted the "i" with regard to the appearance of the new machine.

The new photographs clearly show the aircraft with a two-seater tandem cockpit, visually similar to that seen on the training version of the French Dassault Rafale.


One of the videos shows taxiing and jogging of a two-seater J-20. In turn, the Dambiev telegram channel reported that on October 25, 2021, at the flight test station of the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group (CAIG) in Chengdu, the car took to the skies for the first time.

One of the photos shows an unpainted fighter in the air. The machine is similar to the novelty in question, however, since the fighter is only visible from the lower hemisphere, which version of the J-20 is in front of us cannot be said for sure.


It is also noteworthy that we still do not know the designation of the new car.

It is sometimes referred to as J-20B, J-20AS, or J-20S. No matter how dubbed the plane, one thing is clear: the new version of the J-20 will give China something that neither Russia nor even the United States has.

Recall that the only fifth-generation fighters adopted for service are now the American F-22 Raptor and F-35A / B / C, the Chinese J-20 and the Russian Su-57. Another "Chinese" - J-31 - is now being tested. The Japanese have a fifth-generation ATD-X demonstrator, and the Koreans have a KAI KF-X prototype. All of them are singles (at least in the versions that were shown to the general public and the media).

Double-headed "Eagle": Why China needs a new fighter based on J-20

However, the idea itself was not invented by the Chinese.

The first two-seat fighter-bomber of the fifth generation could be an American F / B-22 based on the F-22, but the project was canceled. Russia, one must assume, initially saw the PAK FA as a two-seater aircraft: this version could have great export opportunities. But the export of the Su-57 has not yet "grown together", and the two-seater version, according to the latest data, can be used already for the needs of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Figured out for two


In this regard, experts often ask the question: what prompted the creators to return to the scheme with two crew members?

After all, it is more expensive by default and affects the aircraft's flight performance. Not to mention the fact that the loss of two pilots at once is much more sensitive for the country. Even as large as the Celestial Empire.


The answer, perhaps, lies in the fact that two people can better use the huge data streams provided to them by the sensors that are literally stuffed with modern combat aircraft.

As the publication Market Research Telecast notes in the material about the two-seater J-20 (which drew attention to the web user under the nickname Fighterbomber), the second place is intended for the operator of guided air-to-surface ammunition and electronic warfare equipment. At the same time, the first pilot will maneuver and attack enemy aircraft using air-to-air missiles.

The presence of a two-seater version also significantly expands the possibilities for training pilots: regardless of the generation of machines in question.


However, upon closer examination, each of these points can hardly be called a serious reason for creating a conditionally "new" machine. In favor of this is the refusal of the United States from the two-seater "five".

With a high degree of probability, the J-20B has become a response to new challenges associated with UAVs. Rather, with the control of unmanned aerial vehicles and the concept of the so-called unmanned wingman, when one fighter should be accompanied by 2-4 dronecapable of solving, among other things, shock tasks.

Until recently, this was the prerogative of the West.

So, in February, the aircraft Loyal Wingman, created by the Australian division of Boeing, took off in the air, which will have to solve such problems.

However, China decided to catch up and overtake Australia and the United States.

At the recent Airshow China 2021 exhibition in Zhuhai, the Chinese showed a mock-up of the FH-97, which outwardly is almost indistinguishable from the American Kratos XQ-58 Valkyrie experimental unmanned aerial vehicle. The latter is included in the program of the US Air Force Research Laboratory for the development of economical aviation LCAAT technologies. The task of the LCAAT vehicles is to accompany F-22 or F-35 fighters during combat missions, having on board both surveillance systems and weapon.


It is noteworthy that Russia followed the same path.

As already mentioned, they want to make one of the versions of the Su-57 two-seater. At the same time, it is increasingly being considered in conjunction with the new strike UAV "Okhotnik".

A two-seat command variant of the Su-57 will be created to control the latest Okhotnik drones. It is assumed that the fighter, which is already under development, will carry about four "Hunters"

- a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS recently.

Regarding the question of whether the photos and videos of the new two-seat fighter are genuine (in every sense of the word), we dare say that they are.

As The Drive rightly notes in "This Is Our First Look At A Two-Seat Variant Of China's J-20 Stealth Fighter," such "leaks" of data fit well with the established pattern, when the Chinese show more and more detailed images over time. samples of aircraft created by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group.

Problems in the past


There is no doubt that the PRC can create fifth-generation fighters, including two-seat ones. Engine problems that were clearly felt ten years ago are gradually disappearing into oblivion. Recently, at an air show in Zhuhai, the Chinese showed a J-20 fighter with WS-10C engines, created by the Celestial Empire. Earlier, we will remind, on these machines were Russian AL-31FN.


If we talk about aircraft weapons, then China is now at least at the level of Russia. And in terms of onboard electronics, it has probably bypassed it for a long time.

On the J-10C aircraft, for example, according to available data, an on-board radar with an active phased antenna array is installed, which is not found on the Su-30SM, or even on the Su-35S, the most powerful and most advanced Russian fighter among the mass.

At the same time, do not forget about the quantity: the same single J-20s have already produced about 150 units. Such agility can be the envy of even Americans, who have only a little more famous "Raptors".
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  1. +6
    29 October 2021 05: 54
    It is also noteworthy that we still do not know the designation of the new car.

    A number of serious experts in the West believe that the main purpose of the J-20
    along with long-range interception is the fight against AUG. Within the framework of this approach, the appearance of a two-seat modification with an operator of electronic warfare systems and weapons is quite logical.
    1. 0
      29 October 2021 06: 05
      Quote: Tucan
      Within the framework of this approach, the appearance of a two-seat modification with an operator of electronic warfare systems and weapons is quite logical.

      And that too. Although I am more inclined to the "combat training" version. You can't work out everything on simulators.
      1. +3
        29 October 2021 06: 09
        Quote: NDR-791
        And that too. Although I am more inclined to the "combat training" version. You can't work out everything on simulators.

        5th generation UBS is too expensive. Even Americans cannot afford this. Modern simulators allow you to work out the whole range of tasks.
        1. +3
          29 October 2021 06: 28
          So it's not the Americans. The Chinese "at the snap of their fingers" are at the same time the fifth generation (not in one version), and even some people think that they are dealing with the sixth and a new strategist. And they don't forget about the civilians. And all precisely because they know how to count denyuzhku.
          1. +7
            29 October 2021 09: 07
            1. Because they can afford.
            2. Still, it is a two-seater with a weapon operator, not an uav, it is more convenient to use an uav with an operator on the ground.
            3. The Communists of the PRC once again show how to implement the decisions of the Communist Party. Carry out five-year plans.
        2. Eug
          +1
          29 October 2021 09: 34
          Do not allow - there is no comparable moral and psychological impact on the flight crew.
    2. -5
      29 October 2021 11: 34
      Quote: Tucan
      the main purpose of the J-20 fighter
      along with long-range interception is the fight against AUG.

      Fighter - a military aircraft designed primarily to destroy enemy air targets
      To destroy the AUG, China has a reliable Xian H-6 / Xian H-6D (H-6IV)
      and for REP -Xian HD-6
      YJ-62, YJ-81, YJ-82 (C-802), KD-88, YJ-91, YJ-12 and there will also be YJ-XX
      Any of them will not fit into the internal compartments of the J-20, and if suspended on an external pylon, it is easier, cheaper and more reliable so

      Shl. in Xian HD-6
      Crew: 4 person
      and pilot and navigator and
      Quote: Tucan
      operators of electronic warfare systems and weapons

      and it stands like one wing of the J-20
      1. +2
        29 October 2021 15: 21
        Quote: ja-ja-vw
        Fighter - a military aircraft designed primarily to destroy enemy air targets

        Are you the captain of the obvious, or decided to "show off" knowledge from Wiki?
        A modern fighter jet has long ceased to be a highly specialized aircraft.
        The Chinese analogue of the Tu-16, whatever one may say, is already outdated. In addition to him, the PLA Air Force and Naval Aviation have other machines sharpened to fight the enemy fleet.
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          1. 0
            30 October 2021 01: 33
            [quote] but you flashed with idle talk and outright stupidity [quote]
            But you shouldn't be rude, it can be fraught. negative
            [quote] Well, "shine with" nevika "[/ quote]
            I understand that this will be a revelation for you, but the basis of the striking power of the Chinese naval aviation in the last decade has been
            front-line bombers JH-7, heavy fighters J-11 of various modifications and Russian Su-30MKK. All these aircraft are equipped with anti-ship missiles.
            Although the Chinese N-6s can theoretically carry longer-range missiles, they have much less chance of breaking through to the target.
            1. 0
              30 October 2021 13: 57
              Quote: Tucan
              But you shouldn't be rude, it can be fraught

              worth it or not, I'll decide for myself, adult.
              And I'm used to the informers around, I recommend again "signaling"
              Quote: Tucan
              I understand that this will be a discovery for you

              where should I bast shoes
              Quote: Tucan
              captain obvious

              to a wiki reader?
              Gone "spinning in the pan, in the process of frying"
              I, you highly developed intellectual ", what did you write?
              What is the main carrier of the N-6 anti-ship missiles in China? /Do not remember that
              What the Chinese Navy does not have
              Quote: Tucan
              JH-7, J-11 heavy fighters of various modifications and Russian Su-30MKK. All these aircraft are equipped with anti-ship missiles.
              ?
              /Do not remember that
              black (in Russian it says:
              Quote: ja-ja-vw
              Fighter - a military aircraft designed primarily to destroy enemy air targets
              To destroy the AUG, China has a reliable Xian H-6 / Xian H-6D (H-6IV)
              and for REP -Xian HD-6 YJ-62, YJ-81, YJ-82 (C-802), KD-88, YJ-91, YJ-12 and there will also be YJ-XX
              Any of them will not fit into the internal compartments of the J-20, and if suspended on an external pylon, then it is easier, cheaper and more reliable so

              Do you need an interpreter every time?
              like so? but as
              Quote: Tucan
              A number of serious experts in the West

              ?
      2. +4
        29 October 2021 16: 13
        Quote: ja-ja-vw
        in Xian HD-6
        Crew: 4 person
        and pilot and navigator and
        Quote: Tucan
        operators of electronic warfare systems and weapons

        and it stands like one wing of the J-20

        In the Tu-16, the Chinese heroically modernized everything that was possible, but the H-6, even in the early 2000s, already looked archaic. It is simple, reliable and cheap, but how far can this machine fly until it is knocked down, because this brainchild of Soviet designers of 1953 will be visible hundreds of kilometers away ... And the J20, whatever one may say, has some kind of decrease in radar signature plus speed, the combat radius is only 25-30% less, the combat load is 40% less. But this is a real leap into the 21st century from the middle of the 20th ... The two-seater version will look very good in naval aviation units, as an anti-ship missile carrier. They bought a pair of Su-30MK2 for these purposes. It's time to build something of your own ..
        1. +1
          29 October 2021 18: 12
          Quote: Doccor18
          In the Tu-16, the Chinese heroically modernized everything that was possible, but the H-6, even in the early 2000s, already looked archaic. It is simple, reliable and cheap, but how far can this machine fly until it gets knocked down, because this brainchild of Soviet designers of 1953 will be visible hundreds of kilometers away.

          B-52 **, Tu-95 **.
          I assure you the Tu-160 glows MORE than the H-6.
          Now ultra-long-range missiles, the line of attack outside the aircraft carrier's security zone.
          H-6 is a cheap, reliable horse that you can hang a lot on without rubbing your knees
          Quote: Doccor18
          And J20, whatever one may say

          what are you going to hang on this "whatever you say" that would translate into reality a stupid postulate
          Quote: Tucan
          A number of serious experts in the West believe that the main purpose of the J-20
          along with long-range interception is the fight against AUG.

          ?
          what kind of anti-ship missiles will fit here?

          1. You can't hang a lot on his underwing.
          A pair of YJ-12s?
          2. With an external suspension (YJ-12), it turns into an awkward pedestrian, glowing slightly less than H-6.
          It's my opinion
          Quote: Tucan
          captain obvious,

          a hedgehog can see that this is a fighter (interceptor).
          BUT! But we have people who even know how to read (opinions of foreign experts). Let's hear what he has to say
    3. -3
      30 October 2021 01: 06
      A number of serious experts in the West believe that the main purpose of the J-20
      along with long-range interception is the fight against AUG. Within the framework of this approach, the appearance of a two-seat modification with an operator of electronic warfare systems and weapons is quite logical.
      What is it like? Is the co-pilot throwing foil through the window? laughingWhat a mlyn co-pilot! Soon there will be no pilots at all. bully Okay, okay that way. First, the cars will become unmanned. lol
      1. 0
        30 October 2021 01: 10
        Quote: Observer2014
        What is it like? Is the co-pilot throwing foil through the window?

        Yeah, just like the EA-18G Growler. fool
        1. -2
          30 October 2021 01: 16
          Yeah, just like the EA-18G Growler. fool
          Yeah, like on a Tesla car And then you wake up in the morning. And the specialty is a pilot ... optimized fool
          1. +1
            30 October 2021 01: 17
            In essence, there is something to say, or if you please flood?
            1. -3
              30 October 2021 01: 38
              And that the plane already made you so excited until 2006? There was a hint of the 5th generation on the plane knowingly not able to become. Why do you cite it as an example so aggressively without flooding?
  2. -9
    29 October 2021 07: 59
    It's just that the Chinese are not able to provide the level of automation of the F-22 and, moreover, the Su-57.
    1. +3
      29 October 2021 11: 34
      Quote: EvilLion
      It's just that the Chinese are not able to provide the level of automation of the F-22 and, moreover, the Su-57.

      the whole world is on the needle of Chinese electronics.
      1. -11
        29 October 2021 13: 22
        The iPhone is not military electronics, it is not designed for the same harsh radiation. There is no Chinese software.
        1. -1
          30 October 2021 14: 01
          Quote: EvilLion
          The iPhone is not military electronics, it is not designed for the same harsh radiation. There is no Chinese software.

          iPhone is not Chinese electronics
          but about the po I wrote below
  3. +6
    29 October 2021 08: 07
    From the article:
    "At the same time, one should not forget about the quantity: the same single J-20s have already produced approximately 150 units."
    Oh, Ilya? smile Waste drain off? laughing
    Here is the "news" from October 1, 2019:
    "Currently, three production lines are under construction, which resemble a conveyor for assembling cars. Two of them will mainly produce equipment for the J-20, equipped with the Russian AL-31F engine, and the rest - the J-20 from the power plant. Chinese design WS-15.
    As stated, each of these sites can produce at least one machine per month. This is to put the production of J-20 on stream. In total, three lines will produce at least 36 aircraft per year."
    Source: https://naukatehnika.com/kitaj-tri-linii-dlya-massovogo-proizvodstva-istrebitelej-j-20.html
    In two years, J-20 could be riveted in 2 times less in this way - no more than 75 pieces. request
    1. +4
      29 October 2021 10: 13
      Quote: Herrr
      In two years, J-20 could be riveted in 2 times less in this way - no more than 75 pieces.


      Ilya's data, most likely from Wiki, where there are 2 links, one to a Chinese source with an English version, the other is completely in Chinese, but there the reference goes to the statement of the state. CCTV media. And in your source, a completely Russian version, with a reference to topwar, which again refers to CCTV (but for 2019), and the latest sources are for 2021.

      Therefore, it can be assumed ... that either the production was increased (for example, another line was opened), or they can produce much more aircraft on these three lines than stated.
    2. +2
      29 October 2021 16: 27
      Quote: Herrr
      In total, the three lines will produce at least 36 aircraft per year. "

      Good evening.
      However, according to the South China Morning Post, by the end of 2018 ... And in the city of Chengdu, where the headquarters of the state-owned Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group is located, a fourth assembly line for the production of J-20 was built.

      As reported by the Sina information portal in August 2018, the PRC can produce up to 40 J-20 fighters annually. In addition, the combat aircraft will be constantly upgraded.

      In Beijing, on Tiananmen Square, during a festive event dedicated to the centenary of the Chinese Communist Party, 15 fighter jets of the fifth generation J-20 were lifted into the air at once, according to the South China Morning Post.
      The newspaper notes that such a quantity of these stealth aircraft was shown to the general public for the first time. The publication reminds that China is ramping up production of the J-20, which is facing engine development challenges.
      The newspaper estimates that Beijing currently has about 150 J-20 units.
      It is difficult to say how many of them were riveted, if 36-40 pieces a year, then by the beginning of 2022, just somewhere about one and a half hundred and it will come out ...
  4. -5
    29 October 2021 09: 05
    If we talk about aircraft weapons, then China is now at least at the level of Russia. And in terms of onboard electronics, it has probably bypassed it for a long time.


    1) J-20 is conceptual squalor, and the Chinese are likely to make a replacement for it.
    2) Su-35 with its radar flew in 2008. The Chinese just got to, like, AFAR. At the same time, military electronics is a very specific thing that has nothing to do with the production of iPhones on American equipment. And I remind you that on the same JF-17, the onboard software was written in C ++ (I would not risk getting into such an airplane) only to recruit civilian coders, there were not enough of our own, and in general, there is no Chinese software in the world as a class, i.e. .what is there with the software of all these kitAFARs, even the Chinese themselves hardly know.

    Unfortunately for fans of China, many things cannot be overcome in 10-15 years simply by collecting money from the sale of electric kettles and iPhones to the whole world.
    1. +3
      29 October 2021 11: 10
      The Chinese just got to, like, AFAR

      AFARs the Chinese have been putting on ALL new fighters for 10 years already. Including clones of dryers
    2. +4
      29 October 2021 11: 49
      Quote: EvilLion
      2) Su-35 with its radar flew in 2008. The Chinese just got to, like, AFAR. NS

      Su-35S has no afar, and the Chinese have already reached AESA as far as drones.
      Quote: EvilLion
      At the same time, military electronics is a very specific thing, which is related to the production of iPhones.

      therefore we failed the GLONASS stage, abandoned long-distance flights to the planets of the system and to the Moon, and so on and so on.

      Quote: EvilLion
      Paradise has nothing to do with the production of iPhones on American equipment. And I remind you that on the same JF-17, the onboard software was written in C ++ (I would not dare to get into such a plane) only to recruit civilian coders, there were not enough of our own, and in general, there is no Chinese software in the world as a class,

      even Americans hardly write on JOVIAL and ADA

      The share of programming languages ​​when writing F-35 software is 53% C, 35% C ++.7% assembler, 5% Ada 83, less than 1% others
      Quote: EvilLion
      Chinese software is absent as a class, that is, what is there with the software of all these kitAFARs is hardly known even to the Chinese themselves.

      Yeah
      Ylmf OS (XP clone based on Ubuntu 9.10)
      Kingsoft Internet Security 9 + / Office 2009 Professional
      Evermore Integrated Office 2009
      Foxmail
      UC Browser
      Kylin OS is powered by the Tianhe-2 supercomputer, the first in the top 500 supercomputers in 2013.
      Dingtalk, Lark, Wechat Work software
      There is a boom in Software-as-a-service, SaaS and Platfrom-as-a-Service, PaaS
      1. -5
        29 October 2021 13: 27
        Well then, that explains a lot about the F-35. laughing

        There is no AFAR on the Su-35, but there was a PFAR worker more than 10 years ago, the Chinese AFAR only in 2019 stuck a derivative into the Su-27 somewhere.

        abandoned long-distance flights to the planets of the system and to the moon, and so on and so on


        One device flies to these planets once a year from all over the Earth. Each mission is an Event. Because nobody needs figs, everyone already knows that there are no apples on Mars, and there won't be.
        1. +6
          29 October 2021 18: 00
          Quote: EvilLion
          but was a PFAR worker more than 10 years ago, the Chinese are AFAR

          PFAR and AFAR are different things.
          PFAR was not "10 years ago", but already in 1969 --- >> BRLS-8B "Zaslon" with a passive scanning grating and digital signal processing.
          RVV PL-15 entered service in 2016, their carriers Chengdu J-10C, Shenyang J-16 and Chengdu J-20
          Even in the Chinese PL-15 GOS already with AFAR
          Quote: EvilLion
          One device flies to these planets once a year from all over the Earth. Each mission is an Event.

          but not ours.
          Not knowing the fundamental laws, not opening up, the nation degrades and slides into gonluras in the table of ranks. Even in Ukraine they understand this.
          ======================
          for what cons are molded for you - I don't understand
      2. -3
        29 October 2021 13: 29
        I even somehow put a parasha called Kingsoft Office, something is still sitting on MS Office.
  5. +5
    29 October 2021 09: 06
    Americans with F15EX also went 2x local way .... and in this they were ahead of the Russian Federation. We have Su35, Su30SM, Su34 .... three similar, but unified aircraft.
    1. 0
      5 November 2021 23: 30
      What do you mean outstripped? Su34 and Su 30 are two-seater cars, and Su 35 is single-seater.
      At the same time, the Su34 is still a bomber, and the Su30 was created earlier than the Su35, perhaps in the Su35 the functions that 30 pilots perform in the Su2 are automated, therefore one pilot.
      In general, a 5th generation two-seat fighter, this is against the trend, the second saw should be AI, in the 6th generation the pilot is general! So they write winked
      1. 0
        6 November 2021 23: 23
        f15ex is one in the Su34 / Su35 / Su30 missions
  6. Eug
    +6
    29 October 2021 09: 30
    As for me, a two-seater - conditionally Su-57-2 - is definitely needed. In a single-seater, the pilot is already at the limit of physiology .. but here's what's interesting - both concepts that underpinned the 5th generation seem to be a thing of the past - we observe a departure from stealth and a return to aerodynamics of the 4th generation (F-15EX), and the actual recognition of the impossibility one pilot to effectively use the information flows of modern equipment ...
    1. 0
      29 October 2021 09: 56
      It's not about leaving ... there are aircraft that need 2 crew members ... with the 5th generation, their number has decreased.
      Option number 1 to create a conditional Su30XXX (the 4th generation, apparently, will be produced in parallel for all) with the maximum legacy of units and avionics from the Su57 and hang on it the functions of information security, PP, carrier of non-standard weapons and remove from production all analogues of the Su34 type and Su35 and MiG31, maybe something (taking into account the increase in the range of the CD)
      Option number 2 to cut 2-seater Su57
      1. Eug
        0
        29 October 2021 17: 00
        As for me, to "cut" the new two-seater, to the maximum extent unified with the Su-30xx, ideally the differences are only in the airframe.
  7. +1
    29 October 2021 09: 38
    The answer, perhaps, lies in the fact that two people can better use the huge data streams provided to them by the sensors that are literally stuffed with modern combat aircraft.

    But what about AI?
    1. +4
      29 October 2021 10: 13
      It all depends on the mission ..... if the task is to look for targets ourselves and bomb, it is better to 2 people, if there are any attacks on objects with known coordinates, then one will cope with the AI. Or in air defense, when the team also works for the pilot
      1. 0
        29 October 2021 10: 18
        It all depends on the mission ..... if the task is to look for targets ourselves and bomb, it is better to 2 people, if there are any attacks on objects with known coordinates, then one will cope with the AI. Or in air defense, when the team also works for the pilot

        Now in many countries a version of a fully autonomous aircraft under the control of AI is being worked out, capable of performing any task.
        1. +2
          29 October 2021 10: 21
          Yes, it has been developed by everyone for a long time ....... but it all depends on autonomy and who provides information on goals. If the crew is looking for themselves - one option and load ... if there is data from the outside - another option. In air defense, this is easier to solve, in ground affairs it is more difficult. In strikes against some stationary targets or ships - why not?
    2. 0
      31 October 2021 03: 27
      But there is no ii :(
  8. -2
    29 October 2021 11: 07
    Engine problems that were clearly felt ten years ago are gradually disappearing into oblivion. Recently, at an air show in Zhuhai, the Chinese showed a J-20 fighter with WS-10C engines, created by the Celestial Empire. Earlier, we will remind, on these machines were Russian AL-31FN.

    Finally, they wrote about it directly on VO!
    And then many local turbopatriots still live in the realities of 10 years ago
  9. -1
    29 October 2021 11: 18
    However, the military blogs of the social network Weibo have recently dotted the "i" with regard to the appearance of the new machine.

    Well, everything, since we put a dot on the i, it means I can sleep peacefully.
  10. -6
    29 October 2021 11: 18
    Why does China need a new fighter?
    -in order to capture the Russian Federation, it's obvious)
    Better to transfer troops to the east against China, and surrender the Donbass to Ukraine
  11. 0
    29 October 2021 14: 31
    If you have money, you can make at least a triple. All the same, only tests and combat use reveal the potential of the product. With the development of AI, the potential of two-seat fighters will decrease, this is obvious. Is that what they need UB?
  12. +1
    29 October 2021 16: 39
    Why new weapons for the United States and Russia. Indeed, what right does China have to do so?
  13. -1
    30 October 2021 15: 27
    How is it not AFAR? But the Su-35 has ROFAR for scanning photons at a distance of up to 600 km.
  14. -3
    30 October 2021 18: 54
    China is the country with the most perfect political system.
    1. 0
      9 December 2021 09: 23
      - This is true... crying