"And before that, they kidnapped a representative of Lugansk in the JCCC": abroad they react to the use of the UAV "Bayraktar" in the Donbas

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Foreign media and experts react to the first use of the Turkish strike by the Ukrainian troops drone Bayraktar-TB2 in Donbass. Recall that information about this kind of use was first voiced by one of the Ukrainian journalists, and then confirmed by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Reaction to a corrective strike aviation ammunition in foreign media is evaluated differently.

The Turkish media are trying to speak from a neutral position, pointing to the fact that Ankara sold such drones not only to Ukraine. Earlier, they entered service with the armies of Azerbaijan and Qatar, Saudi Arabia is interested in acquiring Bayraktar. It is also indicated that Turkey has been selling Bayraktars to the EU since May of this year. Poland is the first EU country to buy such attack UAVs from Ankara.



Canadian media write that "the Ukrainian army protects the territorial integrity of the country." Moreover, this is written by the same overseas media that in the mid-1990s denied such a right to Russian troops in the North Caucasus.

The Spanish correspondent of Euronews, talking about the use of the Turkish Armed Forces drone, writes that "this is the first time Ukraine uses such strike weapons in a separatist region." At the same time, Spanish reporters emphasize that the Ukrainian command does not even hide the use of Bayraktar.

From the report:

Kiev has already operated these drones during exercises with NATO, but so far they have not been used in the conflict in Donbas.

Spanish users, commenting on the report, point out that such actions of Kiev may have the opposite effect - the final rejection of Donbass. In the comments, Catalonia is cited as an example, in which separatist sentiments are also strong:

Imagine if, against the background of separatist uprisings in Catalonia, our troops would strike at the Catalans? It is difficult to predict the consequences, but I think that after that Madrid would hardly have been able to agree on something with the Catalans.

In the Czech edition of Seznam Spravy, author Lukasz Marek writes:

The General Staff of Ukraine said they decided to take action after Ukraine, through the OSCE mission, asked the separatists to stop the shelling. However, the separatists did not react in any way, so Kiev decided to stop the shelling by force.

The Vietnamese press, in turn, remind that before that Ukraine kidnapped a representative of Lugansk (LPR) in the JCCC and continues to hold him captive. For some reason, Kiev did not apply to the OSCE SMM on this matter.

The German media draws attention to the fact that the issue of the use of an attack drone by the Ukrainian troops has promised to be carefully studied in Moscow.
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    1. -12
      27 October 2021 16: 12
      And what has Turkey to do with it. After all, Russia is not responsible for the fact that with our "Kalash" half of the world was redrawn.
      1. -21
        27 October 2021 16: 14
        This is different ... How correctly my colleague Ildar noted! laughing
        1. +7
          27 October 2021 16: 20
          They all study Donbass for a ruble a hedgehog, isn't it time to study Ukraine, too, for three cancers?
          1. -7
            27 October 2021 17: 45
            I wonder when someone will already write reviews of srach in the comments on VO?
            1. -5
              27 October 2021 18: 16
              Forshmak went out to the whole world ... it didn't work out.
            2. -1
              27 October 2021 18: 28
              There will be. The first will be you, dear.
            3. +1
              28 October 2021 18: 59
              It is high time. Because here half have already survived from their minds in old age, unfortunately. Another part moved from the censor and other garbage dumps ... I have been observing lately and go nuts.
              Either you need to start a war immediately, then you need to cancel the vaccination, then any nonsense from the paranoid sites for "wise men 55+"
              Either people are bored and want attention, or what else
        2. +18
          27 October 2021 19: 06
          Zyablintsev, who would have doubted. In the LDNR live and serve de jure and de facto citizens of Russia. Yes YES !!! Their safety is the sacred duty of the Russian army!
          1. -1
            27 October 2021 19: 08
            There will be a day, there will be food ... Russia has not remained on the sidelines and will not remain!
            1. 0
              27 October 2021 19: 11
              There will be a day, there will be food ...
              And don't give a damn about the day. And for food. There, de facto, there is something that is! These are Russian citizens. hi
              1. +1
                27 October 2021 19: 13
                So it is so! Therefore, the launched process of certification was not done just like that.
                1. -10
                  27 October 2021 19: 17
                  So it is so! Therefore, the launched process of certification was not done just like that.
                  This is secondary. I am not interested in this de jure fact laughing
                  1. +1
                    27 October 2021 19: 33
                    Fact, the most stubborn thing in the world! This is not speculation!
                    1. +2
                      27 October 2021 19: 41
                      Fact, the most stubborn thing in the world! This is not speculation!
                      The citizens of Russia live in the LDNR! So? So! Who is obliged to protect them?! In addition to their militia units? Yes! Army of the Russian Federation! Point...!
                      1. -4
                        27 October 2021 20: 21
                        All right, say it
                      2. Aag
                        +3
                        28 October 2021 04: 45
                        Quote: Observer2014
                        Fact, the most stubborn thing in the world! This is not speculation!
                        The citizens of Russia live in the LDNR! So? So! Who is obliged to protect them?! In addition to their militia units? Yes! Army of the Russian Federation! Point...!

                        Citizens of Russia and the United States live ...
                        And Russia is full of citizens of various states. And from time to time all sorts of "bad things" happen to them ...
                2. +4
                  27 October 2021 20: 12
                  Therefore, the launched process of certification was not done just like that.


                  Seven years to crumple boobs .... The Jews are going to cut over Iran. And they will punch in. They bomb in Syria whoever they want and don't ask anyone. The US does not even bother to come up with plausible reasons - there would be a reason for the invasion.
                  So the boy is not needed, who will shout "And the king is naked." Or is it not a king, but a servant of kings, for whom this Donbass is only an annoying problem at the wrong time.
                  1. 0
                    28 October 2021 06: 44
                    Quote: dauria
                    Seven years to crumple boobs .... The Jews are going to cut over Iran. And they will punch in. Bombing in Syria whoever they want and don't ask anyone

                    This is because about 400 tons of Russian citizens live in Israel, and as the Observer says
                    Quote: Observer2014
                    Russian citizens live! So? So! Who is obliged to protect them?! Yes! Army of the Russian Federation! Point...!

                    good
          2. +2
            28 October 2021 09: 29
            How crazy is that? Obliged to protect? OK. Hero, why aren't you defending your Donbass? He got out of there himself, and Russian guys should be responsible for their cowardice? And now you are putting aside warlike appeals? Get up off the Russian couch and defend your homeland.
      2. +14
        27 October 2021 17: 17
        Quote: sagitovich
        And what has Turkey to do with it. After all, Russia is not responsible for the fact that with our "Kalash" half of the world was redrawn.

        The Kalash is not a modern, high-tech weapon.
        That's when ours will start selling drones to the Kurds (it's a pity that they won't), then it will be possible to compare.
        1. -1
          27 October 2021 18: 14
          Well, dosed sell when the Turks shot down our plane as it was not expected, the Kurds in two weeks turned out to be MANPADS and two pilots flew in a helicopter to the Hurias.
        2. -2
          27 October 2021 19: 05
          It makes a big difference from what kind of technology weapons will kill a person? Somehow it makes no difference to me if you fight off a murderer with a kitchen knife or with a rarity in rhinestones
          1. 0
            28 October 2021 10: 28
            Quote: White man
            It makes a big difference from what kind of technology weapons will kill a person? Somehow it makes no difference to me if you fight off a murderer with a kitchen knife or with a rarity in rhinestones

            You do not understand the meaning of the word high-tech product. A knife in rhinestones has nothing to do with this.
            1. 0
              31 October 2021 18: 01
              I understand what "self-harm" and "deprivation of life" are, and the definition of high- or low-tech is, I hope, you will not have to experience. Take my word for it, when you stand under the knife, you don't compare it to a pistol or a blaster.
              Leave slobbering nonsense to the libertines and blacks kissing
              1. 0
                1 November 2021 09: 29
                Quote: White man
                Take my word for it, when you stand under the knife, you don't compare it to a pistol or a blaster.
                Leave slobbering nonsense to the libertines and blacks kissing

                Leave your slobbering stories for impressionable girls, especially since your heroic standing under the knife has nothing to do with the fact that you do not understand what a high-tech weapon is, but you are trying to argue with enviable persistence.
                I will insert a quote for you, it is very much now in place:
                "You, Sharikov, are talking nonsense, and the most outrageous thing is that you say it categorically and confidently."
                1. 0
                  1 November 2021 22: 52
                  Eccentric, explain to the killed person that when they finish him with a Kalash or an ax - this is one thing, but if from a copter / drone / power supply unit, and even a high-energy weapon, etc., it is completely different, high-tech, etc.
                  Yes, and I like Andrei Platonov more than Bulgakov
                  1. 0
                    2 November 2021 08: 59
                    Listen, brutal, I don't know how to explain to you, who was under the knife, that the knife is dangerous for one person at arm's length. A drone, or any other high-precision weapon - at a distance of hundreds of kilometers, for hundreds and thousands of people. Don't you really get it? Or just to show off their exploits, which are of no interest to anyone, decided?
        3. +1
          27 October 2021 19: 17
          That's when ours will start selling drones to the Kurds (it's a pity that they won't), then it will be possible to compare.

          To begin with, you need to shoulder the creation and transfer of an internationally recognized state into the hands of the Kurds ..., but then (if, of course, they have extra money), you can sell something.
          Well, and blaming the Turks for something is stupid - business is business ...
          The Russian Federation in the same way sells weapons to both Armenia and Azerbaijan, Pakistan and India, India and China,
          and the same Turkey and Syria.
        4. Aag
          -2
          28 October 2021 04: 36
          Quote: Letun
          Quote: sagitovich
          And what has Turkey to do with it. After all, Russia is not responsible for the fact that with our "Kalash" half of the world was redrawn.

          The Kalash is not a modern, high-tech weapon.
          That's when ours will start selling drones to the Kurds (it's a pity that they won't), then it will be possible to compare.

          Is the S-400 modern, high-tech?
      3. 0
        27 October 2021 17: 31
        Quote: sagitovich
        And what has Turkey to do with it. After all, Russia is not responsible for the fact that with our "Kalash" half of the world was redrawn.

        1) Kalashnikov is not an attack drone. Not sold by one country, bought from another. The drone is more difficult. Thus, the decision to sell is a significant contribution to the development of events.
        2) Kalashnikovs "crawled away" from warehouses in Ukraine - has Russia got to do with it?
        3) By adding a weight to the scales, you can achieve both balance and an overweight to one side. And the sides, at the same time, are light and dark.

        Well, as it were, everything is clear even to a child.
      4. 0
        27 October 2021 17: 37
        You obviously don't really understand what's going on.
        Kalashnikov's autobots have already launched production in the United States, without talking about the rest of the world.
        As for Turkey, it has supplied weapons to the conflict area! This is already considered a violation, if not a crime. In such situations, you, who are on the side of the opposite force, receive a blank check, and can supply any weapon without problems.
        1. +2
          27 October 2021 18: 41
          Are Azerbaijan and Armenia conflicting sides?
        2. -3
          28 October 2021 06: 46
          Quote: Contrforce
          As for Turkey, it has supplied weapons to the conflict area! This is already considered a violation, if not a crime.

          What the hell?
      5. +5
        27 October 2021 21: 05
        Turks build drones with money from tourists from Russia
      6. -1
        28 October 2021 13: 36
        I understand you Ildar Sagitovich - my own, but .. Bayraktar is not an old rusty Kalash
      7. +2
        28 October 2021 17: 42
        Kalash is produced in China and Hungary, but let's say to Iran, Russia did not try the S-300 at the request of Israel, because they would have covered Israeli airfields and we went to meet them, so we should have asked Turkey "okay"
    2. +37
      27 October 2021 16: 15
      "And before that, they kidnapped a representative of Lugansk in the JCCC": abroad they react to the use of the UAV "Bayraktar" in the Donbas

      Now is not the time to discuss who said and did what and when. Today, the Russian authorities need to finally decide how many more Russians need to be killed in order for the war in Donbas to end once and for all.
      1. +16
        27 October 2021 16: 18
        Alternatively, you can declare a no-fly zone and bring up the air defense to the border.
        1. +23
          27 October 2021 16: 19
          Quote: loki565
          Alternatively, you can declare a no-fly zone and bring up the air defense to the border.

          Of course. But you can't just look at this chaos.
          1. +1
            27 October 2021 17: 00
            I absolutely agree with you both.
            It is high time to end this chaos.
            1. +2
              27 October 2021 17: 21
              And the question did not arise that there was no strike with the help of a drone, but that there was a dramatization in the Ukrainian style. Confirmation of strikes, destruction of weapons and deaths of servicemen is there? It looks more like a staging, with the help of which they want to involve and then accuse Russia of unleashing hostilities against the ukrov ..
              1. +2
                27 October 2021 17: 50
                But you never asked why the Ukrainians carried out the second drone strike on the DPR oil depot, and why they invaded the gray zone.
                Or is it ruffian news that does not allow the head to work normally?
                1. 0
                  27 October 2021 19: 47
                  The fact that the shelling of settlements is constantly going on and the fact that they have already tried to attack the oil depot with drones twice are confirmed by the DPR officials, but Ukraine does not confirm and is silent. And the fact that a drone from the "Turks" allegedly attacked and caused so much damage to the DPR is confirmed only by Ukraine, but not confirmed by the DPR authorities. Not weird? And that spotted armored vehicle, allegedly of the DPR troops, and the killed servicemen in camouflage around, do not remind you of the coloring of the Ukrainian armored vehicle, and the corresponding camouflage of the soldiers?
                2. +3
                  27 October 2021 21: 10
                  In addition to the above. When a drone struck the D-30 howitzer of the "DPR forces," allegedly shelling Ukrainian positions, did anyone notice the spent shells around the gun, which were formed after the shell was fired? Did anyone notice the necessary attribute of the weapon, ammunition boxes? And the fact that the entire crew of the gun fled, and the gun remained intact? And you do not notice the force of the explosion of a rocket (bomb) fired by a drone, it is practically nonexistent. Now compare with the breaks of similar strikes during the fighting in Nagorno-Karabakh. Do you notice the difference? Hollywood is crying from such a production.
          2. avg
            +4
            27 October 2021 18: 10
            Alternatively, you can declare a no-fly zone and bring up the air defense to the border.

            It is high time. It is quite reasonable to organize the counter-battery fight properly. It would also be nice to ban tours to Turkey. And if everyone doesn’t care about the Kovid, then it’s better to go to Egypt.
          3. -3
            27 October 2021 19: 17
            They announced, pulled up, and they fly? Next what?
            If the LDNR under our patronage has not used Israel's tactics since the first explosions of commanders in 14/15, then why are bunches in a puddle bubbling today. Even the outermost Lukashenka from the supply of fuels and lubricants and other products to Ukraine cannot be besieged
        2. -14
          27 October 2021 16: 29
          Quote: loki565
          Alternatively, you can declare a no-fly zone and bring up the air defense to the border.

          And who will announce and pull up?
        3. bar
          +3
          27 October 2021 16: 51
          Quote: loki565
          Alternatively, you can declare a no-fly zone and bring up the air defense to the border

          It would be great, but where is the no-fly zone, over the entire 404? They gouge from their territory, like the same Jews in Syria.
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          2. +2
            27 October 2021 18: 26
            They gouge from their territory
            So to sell several containers of Club-K for three rubles in the LDNR. Let them work at the places where the baikatars are based. Ditto from their own territory.
        4. 0
          27 October 2021 19: 40
          Or maybe it’s just to whine on a cluster of Banderlog AFU with Calibers .... and in case of repetition, repeat the same !?
      2. -11
        27 October 2021 17: 08
        All Russian is the Duma and its servants, the rest of the Russians on whom the authorities do not care.
      3. -1
        27 October 2021 17: 57
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Today, the Russian authorities need to finally decide how many more Russians need to be killed in order for the war in Donbas to end once and for all.

        And what are the Russians to them? They themselves are "Russians" there - God forbid, if through one.
        A record flow of migrants in 25 years is expected in Russia.
        The Russian government has released an adjusted forecast for migration growth next year. According to him, the initial value of the indicator has doubled. Thus, in 2022, Russia is expected to have about 398 thousand migrants.
      4. +1
        27 October 2021 18: 21
        As I understand it, it has already been decided .. "There is no alternative to Minsk" ©. And how many Russians will be killed ...? So this is not the death of one (tragedy), but the death of millions (statistics). Donbass in Russian politics generally move further than secondary.
    3. -16
      27 October 2021 16: 17
      At the same time, Spanish reporters emphasize that the Ukrainian command does not even hide the use of Bayraktar.

      why should they hide?
      1. +15
        27 October 2021 17: 22
        But because it is prohibited by the Minsk agreements
        1. -12
          27 October 2021 17: 50
          Quote: Raven-95
          But because it is prohibited by the Minsk agreements

          Which item?
          1. +1
            27 October 2021 18: 27
            Recorded in the Ceasefire Memorandum. Last summer.
            1. -6
              27 October 2021 19: 01
              Quote: 210ox
              Recorded in the Ceasefire Memorandum. Last summer.

              Yes, exactly, there is such a point about aircraft.
        2. -8
          27 October 2021 19: 10
          is it allowed to fire with art? it's just not clear what the guys were doing there near the guns
        3. -3
          27 October 2021 19: 41
          And what are these agreements? Whom with whom? To observe that you need to have interest. Who needs them? Whose Interest? Today, and not soon ten years ago?
          I just saw on TV that VVP indicated to accelerate the filling of their gas storage facilities. Through how?
          1. 0
            27 October 2021 19: 42
            Theirs are European
          2. +10
            27 October 2021 20: 35
            Quote: White man
            And what are these agreements? Whom with whom?

            How they sang. They did not need the Minsk agreements. The wings were cleaned, recovered and began to sing.
            They quickly forgot that with these agreements the Kiev junta was saved from collapse, that it was these agreements that stopped the advance of the people's republics.
            In vain they stopped, it was necessary to finish off.
            1. 0
              31 October 2021 17: 51
              They sang, chirped, giggled ... And when they agreed with notorious swindlers, then how they reported! The question is not to them, but to ours. Our Foreign Ministry, like Gazprom, is only capable of "this is a provocation!" and in international courts, PACE, ECHR, etc. chew snot. And yes, it should have been cut much to the west.
    4. +14
      27 October 2021 16: 26
      why is our leadership chewing snot, what is the position of an ostrich buried its head in the sand and does not want to react to reality? A SHAME!!!
      1. +1
        27 October 2021 17: 09
        Plus, a "kidnapped" Russian citizen, according to Pyakin.
      2. -6
        27 October 2021 17: 58
        Quote: Graz
        why is our management chewing snot

        it chews nothing. It transferred the conflict, which was beneficial to him, into a sluggish phase. Politics is a cynical thing.
    5. +15
      27 October 2021 16: 31
      What are they "studying" there in Moscow? Not to study, but to react, and what is more, immediately! The no-fly zone over Donbas, the movement of troops near the border and a clear and clear warning to the Nazis coming out, twitch - you will not be! And for the "world community" to declare, as the Izi Shnipersons usually declare, that everything that has not been done has been done for the security of our state.
      1. -5
        27 October 2021 16: 46
        Quote: pomor23
        No-fly zone over Donbas

        This requires a UN Security Council resolution. Neither the "guarantors" of Minsk, nor Russia alone can and will not do this. Of course, there is no talk of LDNR at all. They are not recognized by anyone, and the Russian Federation considers them de jure a part of Ukraine.
      2. -6
        27 October 2021 17: 42
        Quote: pomor23
        What are they "studying" there in Moscow?

        What if Bayraktar was deprived of his citizenship a month ago?))))) And then what, to ask your partner Erdogan uncomfortable questions?))
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      1. +3
        27 October 2021 16: 46
        Does not look like it. It is beneficial for the Kremlin to have this conflict. He can so shake Ukraine that this country will disintegrate, and this is very necessary for Russia. No one LDNR will merge.
        1. +1
          27 October 2021 17: 03
          Quote: Glagol1
          He can so shake Ukraine that this country will disintegrate, and this is very necessary for Russia.

          If it was really necessary, the economic leverage would have been squeezed long ago. Here, need and benefit confront each other ...
        2. -1
          27 October 2021 17: 29
          Quote: Glagol1
          He can shatter Ukraine so that this country will disintegrate,

          Would you like to be in the role of shattering?
        3. -2
          27 October 2021 17: 52
          Quote: Glagol1
          this country will disintegrate, and this is very necessary for Russia

          Explain why Russia needs it?
      2. +3
        27 October 2021 17: 25
        As long as there is a territorial conflict in the country, it cannot join the NATO bloc. (From the Charter of the block). Think about whom Russia does not want to see in NATO, they all have an armed conflict
        Who else decides to get a territorial conflict.
        Now there are sooo many reasons to start it, in any country.
        It was just a little late in the day that it reached the drivers. They could have stirred up the conflict in Poland and Hungary and anywhere in the Warsaw Pact countries.
        1. -1
          28 October 2021 06: 50
          Quote: sagitovich
          As long as there is a territorial conflict in the country, it cannot join the NATO bloc. (From the Charter of the block). Think about whom Russia does not want to see in NATO, they all have an armed conflict

          The charter is not a dogma, it will be changed, it is not ambiguous said the secretary general of nato
    7. -6
      27 October 2021 16: 33
      Drain, for the sake of pipe recognition
    8. 0
      27 October 2021 16: 33
      As it has already been written correctly here, we have no good moves.
      Expressing another concern is the first (Chinese) Kremlin warning. Lose the last vestiges of dignity and become the world's laughing stock.
      To strike - to get involved in a fight with a clearly superior enemy.
      Zugzwang, however.
      And this is a very great grief.

      However, this is expected, choosing shame once, we get both shame and war.
      1. +3
        27 October 2021 16: 47
        ... To strike - to get involved in a fight with a clearly superior enemy.
        who let me ask the superior enemy ?!
        1. +2
          27 October 2021 16: 51
          Quote: skif8013
          who let me ask the superior enemy ?!

          The one who pulls the strings of the Sumerians.
          All of Ukraine was invented for only one thing - to cause Russia as much damage as possible. War is ideal for them.
          1. -7
            27 October 2021 17: 07
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            War is ideal for them.

            And with any outcome, they win. Making them play by their rules is the main task
          2. +2
            27 October 2021 17: 43
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            Quote: skif8013
            who let me ask the superior enemy ?!

            The one who pulls the strings of the Sumerians.
            All of Ukraine was invented for only one thing - to cause Russia as much damage as possible. War is ideal for them.

            The fact that they surpass us is a moot point. Depends on the angle of view and the location of the event. So not everything is so simple. We have parity in nuclear weapons, if we exclude these weapons. That is also not a reason for fascington to attack us, having given them their AUG on the outskirts. So superiority is not a stable thing.
            1. -1
              27 October 2021 18: 15
              Quote: skif8013
              Depends on the angle of view and the location of the event.

              Well, the place of events will obviously not be Washington or New York, but quite Russia in the broadest sense, because Kharkov, Odessa or even Lviv for everyone except us and the Ukrainians are all Russia too. And only Russians will die. They will not need either AUG or nuclear weapons, they will win by the fact of the outbreak of war.
              1. -3
                27 October 2021 23: 19
                Quote: Jacket in stock
                Quote: skif8013
                Depends on the angle of view and the location of the event.

                Well, the place of events will obviously not be Washington or New York, but quite Russia in the broadest sense, because Kharkov, Odessa or even Lviv for everyone except us and the Ukrainians are all Russia too. And only Russians will die. They will not need either AUG or nuclear weapons, they will win by the fact of the outbreak of war.

                Are you saying that the American infantry will engage ours? Even on the territory of the Sumerians. If not, then what is the conversation about? The Sumerians will basically run to surrender as soon as the first Russian soldier sets foot on their land. Americans do not rock the boat. So who, according to you, gives us there? Who is the superior opponent ?!
      2. -2
        27 October 2021 17: 12
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Zugzwang, however.
        And this is a very great grief.

        I disagree. For not every move by Russia will lead to a deterioration in the country's situation. The interests and losses of private business are tied here. Rather, time trouble. There was no time to terminate the gas contract with Ukraine, as well as the transit contract. Russia is not obliged to supply gas to anyone voluntarily and free of charge.
        Some steps have been taken, but not all are possible. Human losses against the background of profit losses recede into the background. I could confirm this in an expanded form, but the topic is not the same. And the problem is so urgent that its solution will put the final name of our country: a world power or a regional gas station.
        1. +2
          27 October 2021 17: 32
          Quote: ROSS 42
          There was no time to terminate the gas contract with Ukraine, as well as the transit contract.

          Ukraine has not had a direct contract for the supply of gas from Russia for a long time. The transit contract ended in 2019, we could well have not renewed it, then the chance to launch SP2 on time was almost 100%.
      3. -3
        27 October 2021 19: 46
        Jacket in stock, Agree with your opinion
        However, even the chatterboxes on TV named political scientists became somewhat radicalized.
    9. +10
      27 October 2021 16: 35
      Russia needs to put a new Sosna air defense system there to develop combat practice. Pine was born to destroy the UAV.
      1. -2
        27 October 2021 16: 39
        Russia needs to put a new Sosna air defense system there to develop combat practice. Pine was born to destroy the UAV.

        This is a type of shell for the poor, without a radar, etc. Something similar they already have
        1. +1
          27 October 2021 18: 04
          there are several channels of detection and guidance just without radar so as not to be fired .. TV channel .. IR channel and a couple more.
          1. +4
            27 October 2021 18: 21
            there are several channels of detection and guidance just without radar so as not to be fired .. TV channel .. IR channel and a couple more.

            Do you think it is easier to spot a UAV in the air or a huge moto ski? And there are vague doubts on which of them the optics are better))) Plus, it is very problematic to disguise the tracks from the caterpillars.
            1. -1
              28 October 2021 07: 20
              the range of destruction (firing) by small guided missiles is up to 8 km for this UAV, so with a range of 10 km at Sosna ... the chances of someone who will ... are defeats ... and detection is 40 km ...
      2. -8
        27 October 2021 17: 08
        Quote: Skipper
        Russia needs to put a new Sosna air defense system there for

        Maybe Poplar right away?
      3. 0
        27 October 2021 17: 18
        It will not work, it does not hit the height where the Turks are hanging.
    10. +1
      27 October 2021 16: 44
      Turkey would not have to supply this, since ukrovoy are actively killing civilians. And these drones are quite escalating.
      The Kremlin is silent for some reason, while the UN documents explicitly state about the ban on the supply of lethal weapons to countries where civilians are dying.
      1. +3
        27 October 2021 16: 49
        but the UN documents explicitly state .......

        Forget this castrated organization.
    11. +13
      27 October 2021 16: 50
      But in fact it will be like this ... Now the Armed Forces of Ukraine will quietly begin to use Bayratraki in the Donbass. We will express concern, then the Ukrainians will start at full, but in the end we will not do anything, because Nord Stream 2 is more expensive. Because now, until it is launched, the hakhly will begin to beat it to the fullest, knowing that Russia, fearing specific sanctions downstream, will do nothing more than concern. And do not care that there are already more than half a million Russians .... Simply, the tradition is fresh, as in 2014, Putin said, God forbid, at least one Hail will fall on the civilian population ... God forbid !!! And in the end, we saw everything, and someone felt this warning to Ukrainians ... And many will not feel anything anymore ... So it will be with the shelling from Bayratrakov. Karabakh 2 will be, for the sake of the Nord Stream. Minus.
      1. +6
        27 October 2021 17: 31
        Naya that Russia is afraid of specific sanctions on the flow,

        Why should Russia now be afraid of sanctions downstream? It is Europe that should be afraid that Russia will stop transit through Ukraine. Then both Ukraine and Europe will fall, even without sanctions. Ours would be bolder to be, but children in Europe will suddenly freeze.
        1. -1
          27 October 2021 20: 11
          Europe does not belong to itself now, or do you not see it? If these have not yet certified the stream! In Germany, too, there is more than one force that wants to block the flow. So, the principle * I will frostbite the ears of my grandmother "is more relevant than ever for them.
      2. 0
        28 October 2021 07: 26
        so they will wait until the joint venture is launched and then they will be able to answer
    12. +1
      27 October 2021 16: 52
      but was there a "bayraktar"? Judging by the video. there is no certainty. that it happened in the Donbass. And Ukraine is now such a country. where official statements are formed on the "fakes" of pseudo-journalists
      1. 0
        27 October 2021 19: 04
        Pushilin says that no one died, and they also do not know where it happened. So what about the fake, very viroyatno.
    13. +1
      27 October 2021 17: 11
      Quote: bar
      They're pounding from their territory,

      And who is confused by this? There was a no-fly zone over southern and northern Iraq ...
    14. 0
      27 October 2021 17: 14

      "And before that, they kidnapped a representative of Lugansk in the JCCC": abroad they react to the use of the UAV "Bayraktar" in the Donbas
      ... I don't want to say / write anything!
      The classic imperfection then, and now, cover the consequences that can be closed, only the imperfections FINISH, to the limit, to the maximum.
      1. +3
        27 October 2021 19: 05
        Good time! hi

        Half measures are a dead-end path, the tail must be chopped immediately, and not piece by piece ...
        1. -1
          27 October 2021 20: 08
          Quote: cniza
          Good time! hi

          Half measures are a dead-end path, the tail must be chopped immediately, and not piece by piece ...

          To the very head!
        2. 0
          27 October 2021 20: 29
          Hi soldier
          So much has been said, retold, there are no more words, only phrases, volatile ... all the same, if something changes, it is not for the better, for people.
    15. -1
      27 October 2021 17: 29
      voiced by one of the Ukrainian journalists, and then confirmed by the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      This is already a serious provocation and the silence of our Foreign Ministry offices is discouraging. Previously, one talking shop was already annoying, but now they don't even express any concerns. The APU will try again, then again, then they will use it without looking back at all (although there is a problem of the finiteness of ammunition).
      1. +1
        27 October 2021 18: 22
        Quote: Stepan S
        and now they don't even express any concerns.

        ===
        who knows, maybe something from the new air defense will go to the LDNR. it is incomprehensible only from the people in the village occupied by the Armed Forces. what about them, will there be help, organize travel, compensation?
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      1. -2
        27 October 2021 19: 19
        Quote: Andred72
        "eggs" like Israel

        Israel has been fighting with eggs for 70 years - do we need it?
    17. WWI
      -1
      27 October 2021 18: 09
      Quote: ROSS 42
      "And before that, they kidnapped a representative of Lugansk in the JCCC": abroad they react to the use of the UAV "Bayraktar" in the Donbas

      Now is not the time to discuss who said and did what and when. Today, the Russian authorities need to finally decide how many more Russians need to be killed in order for the war in Donbas to end once and for all.

      You said correctly.
    18. +5
      27 October 2021 18: 09
      They are trying Russia by mouth .. So far, no reaction. The next attack will be more massive.
      If these Nazis do not react, all forward checkpoints will kill
      All this is not good.
    19. -1
      27 October 2021 19: 02
      interesting and something is visible from satellites. someone has to answer for this
    20. -1
      27 October 2021 19: 04
      Quote: Glagol1
      Turkey shouldn't have to supply this

      How is it? Has Russia threatened with some kind of sanctions, who will supply at least lethal weapons?
      If Russia does not care, then others and even more so
    21. -1
      27 October 2021 19: 04
      The German media draws attention to the fact that the issue of the use of an attack drone by the Ukrainian troops has promised to be carefully studied in Moscow.


      How much you can study, it's time to act and act tough ...
    22. -1
      27 October 2021 19: 32
      How would these media react to the arrival of a pair of three calibers and 100 - 150 two hundredths to the air force banderlog !? And this is how it should be done ... And so to respond to each shelling ...
      1. +1
        27 October 2021 20: 05
        It seems that the Americans are very much looking forward to this. Get a hot conflict in Europe and free your hands for a showdown with China. It is not for nothing that a new union was built in Southeast Asia.
    23. -1
      27 October 2021 19: 39
      And in response, silence !!! Our Foreign Ministry will soon find out everything and express concern. Right In Solovyov, the response should be tough and complete and not stop until Transnistria itself. "Escape troubles is one answer."
    24. -1
      27 October 2021 19: 59
      Quote: leonidych
      And in response, silence !!! Our Foreign Ministry will soon find out everything and express concern.

      it’s not a matter of the Foreign Ministry, all these events show too clearly the weakness of Russia's position, because in theory these UAVs (like other weapons) simply should not reach Ukraine, or, in extreme cases, should be humiliated soon after the unloading. You can blame the Ukrainian partisans.
    25. -1
      27 October 2021 22: 20
      Vladimir. It's time to take off your dark glasses and take a sober look at the prohibition of the Russian language, culture, history, customs, traditions, historical religion and the forceful ousting of indigenous people from their own territory - and this is the actual declaration of war by the Bandera people to the entire Russian world! Everything is strictly according to Hitler! Well, are we going to scare you with rockets during exercises, or are we going to hit the Bayraktar?
    26. -1
      27 October 2021 22: 30
      I'm embarrassed to ask - What prevents us from declaring (and providing in fact, and not "conditionally according to training") there is a no-fly zone?
    27. 0
      28 October 2021 22: 27
      Not now, with a clear conscience, it is possible to bring down the baikatars .... to put the anti-tank missile system in the Donbas and .... there will be a blow to the prestige of the military-industrial complex of Turkey.
    28. -2
      29 October 2021 11: 16
      Bulgarians are indignant?)))
      Who else believes in these kremlebots who write and write under the guise of westerners. Yes, no one gives a shit about you)

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