Russia ignores all proposals: Kiev fears to be left without gas transit

Ukraine may be left without gas transit after 2024, as Russia does not respond to proposals coming from Kiev. The Ukrainian authorities are now faced with the task of concluding a new contract for pumping gas, otherwise the country will be left without money and without GTS.

Kiev offered Moscow to conclude a new gas contract or extend the current one, without waiting for its end, but Russia does not react to all the proposals of Ukraine, complained the head of the company "GTS Operator of Ukraine" Sergei Makogon. And Kiev's plans include not just an extension of the contract for three to four years, but an agreement for ten to fifteen years with the volume of gas pumped at least 45 billion cubic meters of blue fuel per year, and even confirmed by guarantees from the United States and Germany. And they are not going to pump smaller volumes in Ukraine - it is unprofitable, let others work at a loss.

According to Macagon, Russia is ignoring the proposals of Ukraine, and time is running out. At the same time, Kiev understands that the promises of Germany and the United States to preserve gas transit through the Ukrainian GTS after the launch of Nord Stream 2 are only words and are not backed up by anything. Hence the new proposal from Zelensky that Kiev offered Moscow a 50% discount on gas pumping. We ran in Kiev - time is running out, gas passes by, nothing falls into your pocket.

In Kiev, they fear that Russia will either completely stop pumping gas through Ukraine or offer such a volume that it is simply unprofitable to pump, since the costs of this will exceed revenues. In both the first and second cases, the Ukrainian gas transportation system will be "optimized", within which only part of the system will remain to ensure domestic consumption. But no one will completely dismantle the pipes, Macagon is sure.

Gazprom does not comment on the proposals of Ukraine in any way, earlier the company stated that the option of extending transit through Ukraine after 2024 is possible, but it will be considered taking into account the economic feasibility and technical condition of the GTS.

Comments

[Finches]

Listening to representatives of the Ukrainian authorities, one involuntarily recalls Kipling's "Banderlog Road Song":

Rather close in rows
an avalanche through the forest
Like bunches of bananas swinging on branches
taking off on smooth trunks.
For all we are scum, so what!
We make horrible faces!
You laugh in vain! We ride on the palm trees
to great things!

[Civil]

Russia ignores all proposals: Kiev fears to be left without gas transit

You should have thought earlier. If nothing extraordinary happens, then this is the end of the GTS of Russophobes.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Civil

Russia ignores all proposals: Kiev fears to be left without gas transit

You should have thought earlier. If nothing extraordinary happens, then this is the end of the GTS of Russophobes.

There are a couple of good Russian proverbs, modern and old - the first modern - "For what they fought (Banderlog), they ran into it!" The second old - "What you sow, you reap" Our people will understand, but by that it is useless to explain.

[wandlitz]

"Do not spit in the codec, it will be useful to drink water" - also reflects the current situation.

[Bad_gr]

It is enough to recall the period of transit through Ukraine, and the events that led Gazprom to the decision to build transit pipes around Ukraine, and it will be immediately clear that the decision to return the old transit can only be made by very stupid people, who are simply not in the leadership of Gazprom.

[region58]

Quote: wandlitz

Don't spit in the codec

Do not spit in the well - fly out, do not catch. This interpretation is also appropriate.

[fruc]

Kiev offered Moscow to conclude a new gas contract or extend the current one, without waiting for its end, but Russia does not react to all the proposals of Ukraine, complained the head of the company "GTS Operator of Ukraine" Sergei Makogon.

Why conclude something with those who are unable to negotiate, no contractslet them buy gas (and not only) from their partners in the EU on the markets. They can afford it.

[Elephant]

There was no need to conclude an existing contract either. That we have already forgiven them a debt of $ 3 billion ?!

[fruc]

Nothing, they will return, and more with interest on all debts.

[gurzuf]

Take the territories.

[boris epstein]

With the return, the situation is as follows. The London Arbitration Court has already awarded Ukraine to return this debt to Russia. But Ukraine finds legal hooks, while London has already refuted one and the other can refute, but in no hurry. In general, they are pulling the cat by the tail.

[Shurik70]

promises of Germany and the United States to preserve gas transit through the Ukrainian GTS

All Germany's words about Ukrainian transit boiled down to a demand for Russia to continue to finance the fervor of Ukraine.
But about the fact that Germany will do this, something I do not remember such promises.
The United States can promise a lot, but specifically about the transit of gas through Ukraine, they will definitely fulfill their promise. As ZERO cubic meters were pumped before, so much will be

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Shurik70

All Germany's words about Ukrainian transit boiled down to a demand for Russia to continue to finance the fervor of Ukraine.

"Freebie Pliiz" - it's over, it's time to start working, not singing Bandera songs.

[neri73-r]

This is the end of the Anglo-Saxon strategy - "Against Russia, at the expense of Russia and on the ruins of Russia"! The main element falls out - at the expense of Russia, and accordingly collapses - on the ruins of Russia. And those jumping on the branches did not understand this, the pendulum of history quietly went in the opposite direction.

[Vend]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Shurik70

All Germany's words about Ukrainian transit boiled down to a demand for Russia to continue to finance the fervor of Ukraine.

"Freebie Pliiz" - it's over, it's time to start working, not singing Bandera songs.

Professor Preobrazhensky from "Heart of a Dog" comes to mind. "If I sing instead of working, I will have devastation ... Devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads."

[Maz]

And let them jump on the Maidan and ask the USA and Europe for cookies and panties.

[Mountain shooter]

We must stop all activity with this Bandera. Not a gram of fuel, not a kilowatt of electricity.
Not a cubic meter of gas in excess of the contract ... It's time to treat hard ...

[LiSiCyn]

The Ukrainian GTS has already lost about 4,5 billion cubic meters. gas transit due to Hungary's conclusion of a contract with Gazprom for supplies bypassing Ukraine.

“We have lost about 4,5 billion cubic meters of transit gas, for sure, and there is a risk of losing up to 10 billion cubic meters in this direction. And the possibility of importing gas by virtual reverse from Hungary is under threat. 95% of gas volumes. However, we still have the opportunity to import gas from Poland, Slovakia, Romania, and we carry out this import. Every day, about 5 million cubic meters of gas are imported by Ukrainian and international traders ", - said the head of the company" GTS Operator of Ukraine "Serhiy Makogon ...

[mikh-korsakov]

Makogon, don't brag! Import while they give! I'm more worried about the message about the combat use of bayraktars. Again, we will chew snot on the topic "we are not a party to the conflict, but we are not indifferent." It is not indifferent, how is it? Isn't it time to show your face? It seems like Russian citizens are fighting for Russia, but we keep repeating that we are neutral. Europe has imposed sanctions on us for a long time because we ARE. And we all wash our hands. All this is strange!

[Luminman]

Not a cubic meter of gas over and above the contract

Right! Let the deadwood be collected in the forest!

[mojohed2012]

It is harsh to cut off gas supplies to Poland and Moldova through Ukraine.
If you want, sign supply contracts through SP-2 and Germany. We are for reliable ways of delivering fuel !.

[Egoza]

Quote: Luminman

Right! Let the deadwood be collected in the forest!

Loess sold, deadwood too. Let the "reverse" gas supply Europa, well, or the beloved USA too.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Luminman

Let deadwood be collected in the forest

What forests, dung to collect treba!

[Boss]

What dung ??? Livestock is in the dupe ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Bos-s

What dung ??? Livestock is in the dupe ...

They say they have it in Kazakhstan, they can sell it to Ukroaine.

[Peak]

Quote: Luminman

Not a cubic meter of gas over and above the contract

Right! Let the deadwood be collected in the forest!

It's funny that it was precisely from the special operations centers in Ukraine that this stuffing with deadwood, "vital for the Russians", was actively pedalized.

Now the boomerang is back, let their forehead be substituted ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: PiK

Now the boomerang is back, let their forehead be substituted ..

They are not in pain, there is only one bone, there is nothing to hurt.

[tralflot1832]

Ukraine was getting ready to bow to Old Man for electricity. The Tribalts were blown away, buying "dirty" atomic electricity from Lukashenka A, G, leaving their fighter on the front line in an extremely uncomfortable position.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

Ukraine was getting ready to bow to Old Man for electricity.

Old Man thought and said ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Not a cubic meter of gas in excess of the contract ... It's time to treat hard ...

And sprinkle with dust so that the infection does not spread.

[keeper03]

Previously, Ukraine was the first to receive gas from Russia and dispose of it as it wanted! And now he will receive the last one and at the price at which the Europeans get it in!
Well - you have to pay for nezalEzhnost!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Of all the comments, not one sympathetic. Here it is - the moment of truth. Have fun ...

[Figvam]

and will not answer anything until the "thread" is started
and then they will wait for a request from Europeans for volumes
and only after that they will bargain hard with Naftogaz

[nPuBaTuP]

guarantees from the USA and Germany

Let the guarantors pay ...

[Rurikovich]

In something I agree. Personally, I would bet I would suggest that the West act according to the "self-pickup" scheme. Those. not like now that they pay and deliver to you at the door (figuratively), but if you buy, come and pick it up. Those. gas is supplied to the border with sumeria, and then transit and delivery to your home rests on your shoulders. Pay the Sumerians and let them deliver to you. It will be cheaper, but for us the headache disappears. Well this is an option

[s.adviser]

Have you ever wondered why thirty years before such a simple and cheap solution you didn’t think of it?

[Rurikovich]

But because there were SPECIAL problems Usually, harsh measures are taken when they sit on the neck Now is just such a case

[s.adviser]

Now what are the SPECIAL problems?

[Rurikovich]

It is not convenient to write from the phone at work, I will come home in the evening, from my computer I will scribble what problems if you yourself cannot compare the relationship over the past 10-15 years

[s.adviser]

Interested in your opinion. I will wait.

[Piramidon]

Quote: s.adviser

Now what are the SPECIAL problems?

And the fact that a fascist Russophobic country has appeared at our side is not a problem?

[s.adviser]

Did she show up yesterday?

[Piramidon]

Quote: s.adviser

Did she show up yesterday?

After the "Maidan". Previously, at least somehow it was possible to negotiate with them, but every day there is less hope for normalization.

[s.adviser]

who is the doctor to whom, if they themselves admitted these little bastards

[alystan]

We all "turned" Yanukovych into a vegetable, accused him of cowardice and all possible and impossible sins, remember the "tagged" with EBN with unkind words ... - and here those on, the "darkest" himself declares:

On a call from the United States, I dissuaded Yanukovych from dispersing the Maidan!

What did this result in / in Ukraine and in the Donbass? How many troubles did this regular "listen" to the overseas masters inflict on the fraternal people ?!
I don’t believe that he was too trusting or inexperienced!
Something he often goes (began to go) "on the lead" of the West! Constantly saves them from all sorts of problems, and "he" gets him as he wants, and even does all this with a mockery, and then, as if nothing had happened, the same Johnson calls and offers to make friends in a new way, and ours, you will see, will hurry to use the opportunity provided to mend relations damaged by their own fault. I am afraid that it would not go "recognition" of the Hohenzollerns by the monarchies of the West and for this purpose they are pursuing their own line and "forging" the "good" relations necessary at the moment ... will impose "nasty things on the" table "of the Russians!

[Piramidon]

Quote: s.adviser

who is the doctor to whom, if they themselves admitted these little bastards

Then they were still trying to establish adequate relations. After all, the neighbors, after all, and one country once was. Personally, I have enough relatives and friends in / in Ukraine and, believe me, not all of them are "BANDER'S". The majority are quite adequate people, only intimidated by the current pro-Western government.
Here many are indignant - what the hell are they sitting around and not throwing off the regime they hate? "And you try in any country to oppose the ruling, albeit hated, government.
There are already a lot of moronic appeals to change the power, yelling in "classmates" and "mordobooks". But how to do this, not a single couch "smart guy" did not deign to clarify.

[Elephant]

Quote: Rurikovich

Usually they resort to harsh measures when they sit on the neck.There is just such a case now

They have been sitting on our neck for a long time and parasitizing

[Lord_Raven]

Do you think it has never been offered to buyers from Europe? But for some reason they regularly refuse this "happiness". Probably know something

[Roma 1977]

Usually, Ukraine stole gas in billions of cubic meters, while Russia simply pumped the missing gas to European consumers. Everyone liked this scheme.

[s.adviser]

but do not you think that Gazprom together with ukrgaz tyril gas and divide the profits among themselves? Do you have a different opinion?

[Martian]

Surely there were such proposals ... But consumers were really afraid to get involved with Ukraine and therefore broke through the delivery decision from Gazprom.

[s.adviser]

Despite resistance from the United States, Putin built underwater pipelines for crazy grandmothers, and did not even try to install a meter on the border. Accident?

[Cottodraton]

There were sensors for a long time, but consumers did not react to requests not to turn the gas off. Had to build another

[Runoway]

... Those. gas is supplied to the border with noisy, and then transit and delivery to your home rests on your shoulders. Pay the Sumerians and let them deliver to you

By the way, Volfovich said for a long time that he initially advised Miller to trade near the borders, but Miller was greedy and now this is the result (referring to the intrigues on the part of Ukraine)

[Xlor]

since Russia does not respond to proposals coming from Kiev

What are these proposals? Rename Russia Muscovy?

[Egoza]

Quote: Xlor

What are these proposals? Rename Russia Muscovy?

No, to increase gas and at a reduced price, to increase transit, and in general to give a part of the joint venture-2. Appetites are growing, it's time to plant a diet.

[Xlor]

give part of the SP-2

Then, at the same time, the Krasnodar Territory, the Voronezh and Rostov regions in addition ...

[Podvodnik]

at the same time, the Krasnodar Territory, the Voronezh and Rostov regions in addition ...

Kemsk parish too?

[tralflot1832]

I don’t understand one thing that Ukraine is running ahead of the steam locomotive. The gas market is unbalanced in terms of prices. Europe runs around the bush with its gas supplies. And everywhere it is sent by the forest. No one can replace the gas volumes of Gazprom. prices. Norway has a degradation of production of another 1 billion cubic meters of gas minus. Algeria, for political reasons with Morocco, cuts off one pipeline to Spain. Where should we rush when the Europeans rush to Miller for negotiations, then we'll talk. Ukraine is a transit country and can only conclude with itself contracts, it can produce as much as 14 billion of gas, and after what they have done in these two weeks, they generally need to shut off the gas, for technological reasons.

[Piramidon]

Quote: tralflot1832

One thing I don’t understand is that Ukraine is running ahead of the locomotive.

The straw is spreading, because the launch of the SP-2 is not far off.

[tralflot1832]

So they also know the anecdote: In which hole you can whistle. Straws don't roll.

[Wedmak]

With the help of overseas "friends", Ukraine has robbed the Russian Federation worth almost 6 billion dollars (Eurobonds and courts), now it is taking away the collection of Crimean gold, why should you suddenly stand on ceremony with it?

[Luminman]

now selects the Crimean gold collection

They will sell our historical heritage, forelocks!

[Egoza]

Quote: Luminman

They will sell our historical heritage, forelocks!

Rather, they shove them into their pockets, so that there was something to live on over the hill!

[Gardamir]

almost 6 billion dollars

By the way, yes. Let them return with interest, then you can agree on something.

[Private-K]

The amendment means "Scythian gold". The collection was on display in Holland and was seized there. It has been lying there for many years.

[Egoza]

Quote: Private-K

The amendment means "Scythian gold". The collection was on display in Holland and was seized there. It has been lying there for many years.

What are you? Don't watch TV? Already everywhere they shout: "Peremoga!" The court in Holland decided to give the "Scythian gold" to Ukraine. And it doesn't matter what is supposed to be given to the museum where the collection was taken. And all these 6 museums are in Crimea. Politics - with!

[Private-K]

Quote: Egoza

What are you? Don't watch TV?

Yes, I don't. Looks like "slept" the new one.
Well, then, as soon as it falls into the hands of the current Kiev authorities, they will steal it. Gradually, in parts. The accomplices will share. RF will not see him again.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Private-K

The amendment means "Scythian gold". The collection was on display in Holland and was seized there. It has been lying there for many years.

Slept, the Dutch court awarded gold to Ukraine. In light of this decision, it is generally necessary to "cut down" both gas and coal and electricity to Ukraine.

[valera75]

And Kiev's plans include not just an extension of the contract for three to four years, but an agreement for ten to fifteen years with the volume of gas pumped at least 45 billion cubic meters of blue fuel per year, and even confirmed by guarantees from the United States and Germany.

That's where their demands end and their greyhound that someone owes and owes them. It's time the guys plunge into reality and understand that all your wishes and demands are over. It's a pity that out of despair they will start doing all sorts of small dirty tricks and most likely they will nag even more the situation in Donbass.Kak the same it is necessary to take revenge on them from despair and unfortunately they will do it vilely, disgustingly and in their own Bandera style.

[Ross xnumx]

Russia ignores all proposals: Kiev fears to be left without gas transit

It was high time. You look, and "SP-2" would have been completed in 2019.
By the way, Russia has gone through fears of the blockade of Crimea, why is it that Kiev suddenly bothered to get it in the "impudent red face"?

[north 2]

the main thing is to act tough on Russia and not give in to the illusion that some kind of Medvedchuk or something like him would be a beneficial power for Russia in Ukraine. And no negotiations. Of course, Zelensky is not Napoleon in a rage that the Russian Tsar is silent on his proposal for negotiations, but that "Berezina" is advancing to all this Ukraine, then even a clown should understand this.

[Prisoner]

Merkel promised, but she left. And where is Germany? How did you excuse yourself from the debts of Ukraine? Yanukovych borrowed, let him repay.

[Egoza]

Quote: Captive

Yanukovych borrowed, let him repay.

It was not Yanukovych who took it, but the state of Ukraine. There is a difference?

[Prisoner]

They are not accustomed to the concept of "state". How many try to rivet the state, but everything turns out either the Zaporizhzhya Sich or Gulyaypole.

[Ros 56]

The topic of extending the transit of gas through the banderlogy should be announced under a ban in Russia and for its mention, a five per brother, as if from a bush. And it will be right, you have to pay for everything.

[tihonmarine]

And Kiev's plans include not just an extension of the contract for three to four years, but an agreement for ten to fifteen years with the volume of gas pumped at least 45 billion cubic meters of blue fuel per year, and even confirmed by guarantees from the United States and Germany.

And the mug will not crack. And what has to do with the guarantees of the United States and Germany, guarantees are issued by Gazprom, and he issued "shish you, go home."

[APASUS]

Someone very serious came to the Kremlin. And all this time we were ready to support anyone and fulfill any requirements. Now it looks like we will have to pay for Russophobia, out of our own pocket.

[Palestinian]

I should know who is this serious))

[Vasily Onischuk]

Kiev didn't have to show off and shit. And in general, think more, and ride less. And now that's it, now the proposals and attempts of Kiev are of no interest to anyone. the train left.

[Eug]

50% discount - not for the entire volume of pumping, but for the "additional" one - at one time the "fakhivtsi" (specialists) of Naftogaz included a clause in the contract, according to which the volume in excess of the contract is paid at an increased rate. It was presented as "bent over the Muscovites" ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

How much we crap, this "brotherly" country. The history was rewritten, the monuments were demolished. The gas was stolen. Blackmailed.
It's time to answer. Freeze, freeze wolf's tail.

[Basarev]

Have they still not guessed that Nord Stream 2 was built for this purpose, to get rid of the Khlamino transit? It is much more profitable to supply gas directly to rich and negotiable Germans than through a bunch of worthless idleness along the way.

[Nikolay Sayenko]

they are not afraid ... they are being described!

[75 Sergey]

It's just a business, on the one hand, on the other.

[123456789]

The fraud of Kiev with a virtual reverse (payment by Gazprom for a non-existent transit) is the basis for terminating the current contract now, without waiting for 2025.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: 123456789

.... is the basis for the termination of the current contract now, without waiting for 2025.

And at today's prices it is very profitable it would be --- after all, someone is asking for an increase in supplies

[cniza]

Ukraine may be left without gas transit after 2024, as Russia does not respond to proposals coming from Kiev.

We woke up late, the train left for a long time ...

[Reptiloid]

[quote = cniza] [quote] Ukraine may be left without gas transit after 2024, [quote] .. [/ quote]
good day, Victor! Why postpone? She is now can.

[cniza]

Greetings!

There is a contract under which we may not pump gas, but we still have to pay for 40 billion ...

[rotmistr60]

Kiev fears to be left without gas transit

What have been going all these years, in the end you will get. Honestly, I would like to be earlier and tougher.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rotmistr60

... What have been going all these years, in the end you will get .......

And they do not need gas from Russia. They try, spoil the relationship as soon as possible. To bite, to scoff, to build disgusting museums ..... their deeds. It's time to get an answer.

[hump]

Yesterday, Putin got fucked up in Donbass by allowing the bombing of our citizens

[PPD]

What are the contracts? Ukraine is at war? And with Russia. According to their reports successfully .... or war-war and gas on schedule?

[evgen1221]

Nothing terrible will happen for ukrov. The West has many agents of influence in the Kremlin; And there you look, the moon-faced sun and the father of the nation, without which the sun will fall from heaven and the cows will no longer be milked in their next speech he will shed a tear about the fraternal people about friendship and in general, and there he will put gas with coal and fuel rods with skidos on our credit. He's not his good tea, and what kind of people are asking how to refuse their own.

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

We must stop all activity with this Bandera. Not a gram of fuel, not a kilowatt of electricity.
Not a cubic meter of gas in excess of the contract ... It's time to treat hard ...

Judging by the large number of "likes", most of the commentators are in favor of this proposal. However, questions arise:
1) why so far no comprehensive and effective measures of economic influence have been taken in relation to Ukraine?
2) in this case, to whom are your slogans addressed?

[pomor23]

No contracts with the Nazis killing Russian people in Donbas! It's time to put Dill in the most severe economic and political conditions, and back them up with real military actions in Donbas (for example, close the sky and shoot down everything that flies towards the republics). It is time for the authorities to make a choice or contracts and loot or the lives of Russian people to whom Russian passports were handed out and are being given out. Why do you distribute if you can't (or don't want) to protect them ???

[Lisa90]

Bombed by Bayraktar hammering the last nail into the coffin lid of the gts

[Gardener91]

We ran in Kiev - time is running out, gas passes by, nothing falls into your pocket. Only a few profited and the people were milked to the fullest.

[Borisych]

Why does Ukraine need gas? We must go back to nature. Temporarily remove the pans from the heads, light the guano in them. And warm up, and ride, and build a wall for Yaytsenyukhova.

[Lord]

Here are some disgusting acupants who do not want the contract to be extended

[Puskarinkis]

Yeah, how to install turbines or allow the remains of the scout Kuznetsov to be taken out, so "we do not do business with the occupiers", but are they ready to give a discount to the "occupants" for pumping gas ?! Some kind of strange war ...

[Puskarinkis]

For what they fought ... But you can look at the situation from the other side. Well, Gazprom will sell gas to Ukraine through "European" firms much more expensive, well, will directors and managers have their own gesheft ... Russia, or more precisely, will its citizens get better from this? Gazprom has super-profits, and the people get a feeling of deep satisfaction !? Gas and other mineral resources have not belonged to the people for a long time. And the people do not get much from budget revenues ... The capitalists divide the profits, and the people (both in Ukraine and in Russia) are told about the "war". Divide and rule!

[zenion]

Well done! Press Ukraine with the right words - in Ukraine everything belongs to the people, as long as they breathe the air of the atmosphere for free, they pay for everything else.

[zenion]

Why should Russia accept Ukraine's offer, why all of a sudden? Has Russia fallen from the oak tree, to support the economy of the enemies of the force? Ukraine should itself pump its gas through its gas pipeline, if it is still able to pass gas 360 degrees vertically.

[Skif]

Well. Complete independence. Have achieved.

[sgr291158]

These crazy people are still hoping for something. As something, so Russia is the aggressor, but pump the gas.

[machinistvl]

Did you want to go to Europe? So in Europe and buy gas, why do you need aggressors?