"Round camp of the Gulag with beautiful lighting": blogger-film critic about the film "Ivan Denisovich"

In 2021, the domestic tape of the famous director and screenwriter Gleb Panfilov was released on Russian screens. It so happened that today this tape is discussed mainly not as a work of fiction, but as something with a fair amount of political overtones. This is the film "Ivan Denisovich".

One of the reasons is why the director, known for such films as "There is no ford on fire", "Beginning", "Valentina", in the post-Soviet period switched to the work of Alexander Solzhenitsyn, having previously removed the series "In the first circle". In the early 2000s, it should be recalled that Gleb Panfilov's film “The Romanovs. Crowned Family ”, which was filmed for almost 10 years.

The well-known blogger-film critic Klim Zhukov, describing the new work of Gleb Panfilov and his cinematic environment, writes that Solzhenitsyn's work has lost a lot in the presented interpretation. According to Zhukov, I want to express myself complementary or at least tolerantly, "but it doesn't work ..."

Klim Zhukov:

It all starts with a gorgeous winter meadow, where a lone figure wanders along to the luxurious American music. She wanders into the round Gulag camp with beautiful lighting.

The critic asks the question, why was it in general to show the "round camp" around which there is nothing at all ... Apparently, to emphasize "the whole essence of the Stalinist Gulag."

Zhukov:

It is not clear where the coal or firewood storage is in this camp shown in the film. Where does the electricity come from, where are the power lines at all? ..

Full review of the film "Ivan Denisovich" from Klim Zhukov, who, to put it mildly, is not happy with the premiere:

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[Finches]

I, personally, am not delighted with Solzhenitsyn, and even more so from modern films based on him!

[Clear]

Quote: Finches

I, personally, am not delighted with Solzhenitsyn, and even more so from modern films based on him!

The offspring of Solzhenitsyn, these are the current Russian Chubais, Sobchachki and "Ehi ..." with the Higher School of Economics

[Crowe]

Yes, let them shoot whatever they want, even withfalsethey are so thrilled by this, but not at the expense of the government, this is not comme il faut at least ...

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Finches

I, personally, am not happy with Solzhenitsyn

"Cancer Ward" is quite decently written, and the same "Ivan Denisovich" ...

[nov_tech.vrn]

The cancer building, it seems, is stronger than Ivan Denisovich, but all the same, it has no artistic delights, apparently all the same, the topic itself touches more. And Ivan Denisovich, as a book, does not make much pretense, once, when published in a thick magazine, and even with a decent circulation, he was perceived as the support of a young writer.

[Aleksandre]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

Cancer ward, it seems stronger than Ivan Denisovich

Of course, it is stronger, it was written later, and regular training, as you know, leads to an increase in the result.

but all the same, he has no artistic delights, apparently all the same, the topic itself touches more

I do not rank it among the masterpieces of world literature, but it is written soundly, there are characters, main and secondary lines.

PS It's just that "art critics" have already been pulled up, who read a little less than nothing, but they were very authoritatively told that this one is completely and completely safe, so they are like butts and carry this wisdom further, to the masses, so to speak.
"I have not read it, but I condemn." Classic, yeah.

[Finches]

Solzhenitsofan, it's always so cute!
However, Ivan Denisovich, you can really read, because there is no politics and the language is normal, Cancer Corps, but I mastered 5 volumes of the Red Wheel, almost ... eeeeee. So I think, where is the real Solzhenitsin and was he ??

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Finches

Solzhenitsofan, it's always so cute!

Oh, do you diagnose remotely by just sucking lightly on your right index finger?
Little d ... it's always so funny

[Finches]

I would love to return to a time when I could reasonably be called, as you pleased, but, unfortunately, this is not possible! But what is possible is to point out your lack of culture, you are unlikely to draw a conclusion from this, but this is today's reality! Even at VO rudeness rules the ball, thinking that it is the coolest ... By the way, after your passage I am not sure that you have read Solzhenitsyn or even read anything at all!

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Finches

I would love to return to a time when I could reasonably be called, as you pleased, but, unfortunately, this is not possible!

In this case, age is not a hindrance, I say this with all the responsibility of a person who has personally seen a lot of elderly idiots.

But what is possible is to point out your lack of culture, you are unlikely to draw a conclusion from this, but this is today's reality!

Is the statement of the fact of the particularity of the thinking of a particular individual an insult?

By the way, after your passage, I'm not sure that you have read Solzhenitsyn or even read anything at all!

And I'm not sure that you have mastered 5 volumes of the clumsily written Wheel, because for this you just need to be a solzhenitsinophile, at least, which you, according to your own statement, are not at all. Did you run diagonally?

[Finches]

In any case, I ask you to be easier on the turns when discussing with a person unfamiliar to you. It doesn't paint. I read your idol, precisely in order to understand. I could not master 10 volumes of the Red Wheel, and 5 volumes, I did not understand what he was carrying there, to be honest, there was probably not enough traction
And there are good things, the same One day ... But, they say, Tvardovsky helped a lot ...

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Finches

In any case, I ask you to be easier on the turns when discussing with a person unfamiliar to you. It doesn't paint.

You repeat it like a mantra in front of a mirror, it may be beneficial. And then after all

I read your idol

did not have time to inflict a reprimand, and immediately hung a label. By the way, a complete stranger, yeah.

[Finches]

Sorry, of course! But you are drowning for him, as if you like a relative, so read it!

[Aleksandre]

Quote: Finches

But you are drowning for him, as if you like a relative, so read it!

If you had been a little more attentive, at least at the level of the declared age, you would probably have noticed that I never "drowned for Solzhenitsyn" anywhere, but just wrote that the book "Cancer Ward" is not devoid of literary merit and, on the whole, is a very decent read. ... If you personally have any criticisms of this book, then, as they say, I listen carefully. If not, then please, only without the right index, otherwise you will scribble my biography and complete medical diagnosis so soon.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Finches

Solzhenitsofan, it's always so cute!

Quote: Aleksandre

Oh, diagnose remotely

There are such seals on the forehead, which can be used remotely ... They exist for this
For example, Denikin in 1919 received the Order of the Bath from the British Queen.
Among the writers;
Bunin in 1933 Nobel from pro-Hitler Europe,
Solzhenitsyn's 1970 Nobel from Post-Hitler Europe.
Remarque, Kafka, Akutagawa, did not receive a Nobel at all ..... where are they to the great Solzhenitsyn!
It is curious that Remark was not given the Nobel precisely for what Solzhenitsyn was given ... in fact, logically thinking people do just that.

[Zug]

I agree. Cancer Corps is quite a book, only heavy. I don’t know how close to the truth, but ... Yes, and in principle, that with regards to Solzhenitsyn's work, if not for his "marvelous pusa" about the GULAG, etc. etc. A scribbler would be a good one ... and so ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Have you read Solzhenitsyn? If not, then do not read, there they will insinuatingly explain to you thoughts that do not correspond to you at all, although it is written well. This is my opinion, and I am extremely politicized, someone may have a completely different opinion.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

there they will insinuatingly explain to you thoughts that do not correspond to you at all, although it is written well

Heh ... heh ... and it is clear that you read only what "corresponds" to you.
And only that is "good" for you. A simple question: "why are they being explained?" Huh? For example, why did Solzhenitsyn explain the idea of ​​the necessity of partitioning the USSR and "liberation from the republics" exactly on the eve of this? But I still don’t understand why, I don’t like experiments on my consciousness. Moreover, the "insinuating" ......
But it "corresponds" to you, for example, if under the guise of the crimes of the Gulag
photographs of the Turkish genocide of Armenians in 1915 or photographs of the German camps during the Second World War are shown "insinuatingly". They have caught the hand with this more than once ...

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I reread everything for a long time. All I could. Probably now they are writing something new and it would make sense to read this too, but I'm tired ... At the moment, apart from analytical articles and something like that, I don't read, but there are a lot of articles and the like.
"Iakinf was then about 60 years old. He is a tall man, very strong and strong for his age, broad-shouldered and with a bull's neck." This is Prosper Merimee, I just took a book off the shelf, first volume, page 31. Second paragraph. So much for "As". Want to get something else?
Solzhenitsyn is an enemy for me, it is because of such empires that collapsed ... It seems that he speaks correctly and his syllable is not bad, but in the end he condemns millions of people to death. I don’t know if he was stupid if he didn’t understand this, or he simply didn’t give a damn about people and for the sake of satisfying his own ambitions he was ready for the terrible ... Well, the USSR collapsed, did people feel better? This is a simple question - please answer. Gulag ... they scared me, I have lived most of my life in such conditions.

[Asad]

Equally I hate those leaders who live on the topic of repression! And those who claim that innocent people were not imprisoned, tortured, or killed!

[alystan]

Your position is not entirely clear ... In my opinion, they just "fatten" and assert the same ones, only without the particle "NOT" - they assert "imprisoned, tortured, ruined!"

[rocket757]

It's complicated.
The innocent, of course, were not imprisoned ... but who can argue that no one rigged the investigative materials ???
Human vices move many people, everywhere there is / have been such.
The governing, control and punishing system consisted / consists of different people ... the whole history of mankind is proof of this.
The northern situation, that many people evaluate OUR history by the dubious "revelations" of people who can both make mistakes and openly lie. Alas and ah, the creation of the first country in the world, in which the ruling class was the people themselves, is a complex process / phenomenon and should be evaluated objectively, based on real facts, documents, archives ... that's the only way.

[ivan2022]

Quote: rocket757

The innocent, of course, were not imprisoned ... but who can argue that no one rigged the investigative materials ???

That's just it! If no one manipulated, but imprisoned and shot, this would mean that according to the Law it is necessary to shoot the innocent and release the guilty ... The play of meanings is as simple as an orange.

It would seem an obvious thought; violation of the law of the state - this is a crime against the state - is not available, does not reach the consciousness among the descendants of serfs. For them, this is a crime of the state itself ... Such is the psycho effect that turns the picture of the world upside down !! But this is the only way it happens, because for slaves there is no law, and the policy of the state in their heads = the arbitrariness of the master, the boss. They have the boss himself and have the power and the state. Therefore, if the boss is a criminal, then the power is criminal ...

[rocket757]

A person himself knows how to build walls for himself, create restrictions ... it happens, goes to the other extreme, i.e. does not want to recognize any restrictions at all!
Those. to live in harmony with the surrounding reality, not everyone wants / can.
So it was, so it will be until ... but fig knows how long.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

..... The governing, control and punishing system consisted / consists of different people ... the whole history of mankind is proof of this.
The northern situation, that many people evaluate OUR history by the dubious "revelations" of people who can be both wrong and openly lying. ....

good afternoon, Victor! In addition to the systems listed above, I would like to add to the first of your suggestions - the media, writers, historians ...
Yes, they are different. How many change shoes, for the sake of profit. Demonstrating this to young people, because they know that it is so painstaking to disassemble, ponder, like Zhukov Klim
Aleksandrovich, not everyone can see lies. This is what they count on

[rocket757]

Hi Dmitry
Many, many "artisans" who write speak strictly to order. They have always been like that, and at the turning points of history they simply "dress up" for a new order. There are also convinced enemies who are ready to lie in order to confirm, justify their beliefs and delusions. If with a convinced one, everything is clear, then "perehkavalschiki" is such a measure / S / ota, which is worth pressing everywhere and always.
There is one way of counteraction against lies, which ... everything is complicated / simple, you have to tell the truth, whatever it might be. And people are not so bad that they would not understand everything by themselves. There would be something to understand.

[Reptiloid]

I read somewhere that under socialism, the film BEGINNING was considered to be a significant event. It was shown in cinemas and on TV and people walked. And for these fantasies who will go

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Probably so ... Anything happened ... But as I said, I will still be for Russia (USSR). Probably even wrongly said - the USSR (Russia).

[rocket757]

We ourselves choose how we think, but to speak and act ... here we have to adapt to the existing reality or rebel.
Again the choice and you have to make it yourself.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Basically I agree with you, of course you have to adjust. But to say ... sorry, I said and say what I think. Am I right? This is a different question. And at the expense of the riot - if someone goes ahead (I am not a leader), then why not, but for this I need to be brought to white heat, and this is very difficult.
I made my choice a long time ago, largely unconsciously, just life led to this. And as life has shown, the choice was correct (again, my opinion).

[rocket757]

Choice ... everything is complicated / simple.
Once the choice has been made, do what you must.
Throwing, back and forth, does not benefit anyone.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

And I don't seem to be rushing about, well, okay, if you show me where I'm wrong, I'll apologize. It’s very simple. It is quite possible, sometimes just drunk, sometimes just in the mood ... Show me.

[rocket757]

No, no, I expressed my opinion in general, on the topic.
Himself such, monogamous, for a long time and forever. This is fine.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

That's nice, I always liked your messages. You do not even know how many advantages I have taught you, although this is not at all important. :)))

[rocket757]

I try to be objective.
To be neither for whites nor for reds, it is not necessary to be green ... although it arrives from all directions, they are accused again.
"Plato is not my enemy, Socrates is not my enemy, but the truth ... will be more useful for ALL" in the end.
We would all stop at the thought / definition that the majority of disputants, thinking in their own way, are not enemies to what we have in common, uniting us as a people !!!
Do not look for an enemy, look for a friend, an associate, it will be more useful in every way.
We need peace, within ourselves, around us, then it will be easier to solve many pressing problems.

[Reptiloid]

I read everything. Your comments with the interlocutor. Respect. Returning to the topic.

when did you lie? 50 years ago and now?

Probably he will swear that now he speaks the truth. And 50 years ago--

forced, forced

And the statute of limitations has already passed.

[rocket757]

Dmitry, my attitude to pereobavalschiki ... mra / Z / ota they are finished. Unfortunately, there is a demand for such people, this is the kind of world we have.
We must try to straighten it, even though it would be at home !!! It will become easier to breathe immediately.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I will now confirm this. "forced, forced" I don’t know, but the first phrase was exactly what I said a long time ago. And I'm not giving up on it in any way. This was said in a controversy about religion. In the sense that now, for some reason, everyone has become believers, but before that they were Komsomol members, communists. So I asked a rather simple question from my point of view ... When did you lie? Then or now? But the question referred only to the older generation, the young are not at all involved here.

[Reptiloid]

... became believers ...

Most, in my opinion, purely formally position themselves in this way, without hesitation, without trying to study .... a tribute to fashion. This can be seen in different words or deeds.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I think yes. Only this fashion I cannot understand. And God bless it.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Money does not smell
(The emperor of ancient Rome Vespasian (9 - 79 AD)

I wonder who financed this next anti-Russian and anti-Soviet "guano"?

[Asad]

Surely the Ministry of Culture, who else? There are no fools to invest in such a ,, masterpiece ,,

[bar]

The film was shot with the support of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation, so it seems we were financed by our taxes.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

I am very interested: are there any other countries in which their own ministry of "culture" finances openly anti-patriotic films?

[Reptiloid]

How many have not read about foreign cultural figures --- have not met about such

Quote: Nafanya from the couch

.... countries where their own ministry of "culture" finances .... anti-patriotic films ...

No countries repent for their past and do not lie about it

[Sergey Nikiforov]

But let's do this. Who completely read One day of Ivan Vasilyevich.? What is there strongly anti-Soviet.? That I am sending prisoners to Evening Moscow, almost the freshest.? For me it was a revelation. What is anti-Soviet then.? In addition to the author's last name.?

[ivan2022]

Quote: Sergey Nikiforov

What is there strongly anti-Soviet.?

Interpretation. By themselves, the events described in the story are a listing of iniquities. And lawlessness is a crime against the state and power. But the perception of the environment of the descendants of serfs (including the author) is such that for them this is the crime of the power itself. Simply because for a slave, power = the master and his arbitrariness. The author deliberately pushes the reader to this sophistic conclusion. After all, in the 21st century we can trace the development of Solzhenitsyn's theses; what in the 50s was modestly called "violation of Soviet legality" is now called "the crimes of the commies that destroyed the Russian people."
There are and have been problems of the remnants of society, due to the lack of underdevelopment of society, in which 4-century serfdom and class division were abolished relatively recently. BUT Solzh processed them and presented them as a crime of the Soviet regime. For which he was given the Nobel. In their place, I would also give him a Nobel. Solzh worked hard.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Themselves understood what they wanted to say.? From an ordinary story, which did not even pretend to be this exposer, you deduced a whole philosophical theory. So you can glue Chukovsky down too Remember.? Suddenly from my mother's bedroom, bow-legged and lame Here is a field for your philosophical exercises Good luck

[ivan2022]

Quote: Sergey Nikiforov

Themselves understood what they wanted to say.?

I understood it myself. If someone does not have the intelligence to ask and clarify, not my problem. The path leads to my mother's bedroom.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Nafanya from the couch

Are there other countries where their own ministry of "culture" finances openly anti-patriotic films?

I generally do not understand the functions of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation. How staff can do without this institute - xs.

[Victor Tsenin]

170 million rubles invested, rental 7 million rubles, profit -163 million rubles, utility for society 0%. Filmed with the support of the Ministry of Culture, thanks to the Ministry of Culture!

[Sergey Nikiforov]

But still cheaper than the space flights of our artists and directors

[Victor Tsenin]

Agree. But flying can and will give kids incentives and pride, and this will not give anything, because slop is by its nature.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

I am far from thinking that this masterpiece of cinema will collect more than 100 thousand.

[Victor Tsenin]

I'm not ready to develop a dialogue yet, we haven't seen the work, it's too early to judge, I still hope for a sensible result)

[Nafanya from the sofa]

And by the way, the work itself is not so bad

Have you read this "chewing gum for the eyes?" Or "Moishe sang for me"?

[Sergey Nikiforov]

I read it completely, liked it

[ivan2022]

Quote: Sergey Nikiforov

I read it completely, liked it

And, for example, "The Count of Monte Cristo" by Dumas - did you like it too?
And here and there an innocent convict, and there and there - politics ...
What is the difference ? And the fact is that if the innocent sailor Dantes was put in the Soviet GULAG, it would no longer be a crime of villains against the law, for which the State punishes criminals, but a crime of the State itself against the people.
That is why for me Dumas is a great writer, and Solzhenitsyn is a traitor and opportunist.

[bober1982]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

profit -163 million rubles

Such a movie is not interesting to anyone now, it is in perestroika times, everyone would literally burst into such views.
I remember there was such a semi-forbidden film Repentance, some kind of dregs, so all the cinemas were jam-packed.

[Victor Tsenin]

I did not raise a question about interest, a question about slops sponsored by the state and something possibly sensible, on the other hand.

For example, recently on the so-called. Ekhe Moskvy rejoiced at the fall of the prong from the Kremlin wall, and this organization, for a minute, sponsored by Gazprom-Media. I think you and many others should know this.
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/7158413.html
Here even the absolute * opolysis Kasparov is smarter than others, in my opinion, everything that is worth knowing about where the money is flowing.

[bober1982]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

For example, recently on the so-called. Ehe of Moscow rejoiced at the fall of the prong from the Kremlin wall

These even begin to howl with anger if ours win in hockey.

Quote: Victor Tsenin

and this organization, for a moment, sponsored by Gazprom-media.

This is no secret, the point here is apparently that now everyone is divided into ours and ours. As long as the balance is maintained.

[Victor Tsenin]

We, I suppose, are still ours, but balance has never been and is not)
Those. if ours sponsor it for n-million, well, you get the idea.

[bober1982]

Quote: Victor Tsenin

but balance has never been and is not)

This equilibrium did not exist in 1917. and in 1991, unfortunately.
Now, God forbid, if it sways in someone's direction, how it all ends with us is well known.
Let them shoot their films, they won't be of any use now, especially since the author-blogger rightly defined it as a hack.

[Victor Tsenin]

No, don't let it, because these multi-lamas are good for more useful things. As for the realities, I completely agree that we do not need shocks, but changes are needed and every soul feels it.

[alystan]

Maybe he is a renowned director and screenwriter, this Gleb Panfilov, maybe even a genius, but for some reason, they have all taken openly anti-Soviet positions recently.
The famous Minister of Culture is apparently fixated on financing, especially since anti-Sovietism for some people is like a balm for the soul ... Yes, only "he" forgets that it is directed against Russia too!

[Reptiloid]

.... recently .... openly anti-Soviet positions ....

For over 30 years. True, sometimes they pretend to leave these positions. But --- not for long, so that I would return to these positions as soon as possible.

[bober1982]

Quote: alystan

Maybe he is a renowned director and screenwriter, this Gleb Panfilov, maybe even a genius

Yes, he is a genius director, but he is a deep old man, and there is nothing more to say, to wish good health.

[Victor Tsenin]

Do not confuse anti-Soviet with anti-Russian, this is important. After all, we all live in this path for years, and this kind of poisons the atmosphere, and, in fact, makes it, accordingly, toxic.

[1536]

Another "shooting" in the "milk"? Is it really impossible to shoot bright, beautiful films that people need so much today. Not enough talent or money? And then everyone around is surprised that someone is rewriting history for themselves or lying like a gray gelding. In short, there is no guarantee of returning to the old. Continuous relapses of perestroika propaganda are evident, are they finishing the unfinished business, or what?

[alystan]

Continuous relapses of perestroika propaganda are evident, are they finishing unfinished things, or what?

Exactly! They have no other goal, how to completely destroy what is not destroyed and take possession of everything!

[Basil50]

It's still amazing how the ideologists from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Komsomol quickly changed their shoes into the ideologists of Nazism - * the market *, into the owners of * factories, newspapers, steamers *. So it is not surprising that next to them appear those who are used to serving the authorities * according to the current moment *. Former convictions only help in knocking out a fee, because the * creator * went through such torments while * broke himself under the current demands * of the authorities.

[bober1982]

Quote: Vasily50

after all, the * creator * endured such torments while * broke himself under the current demands * of the authorities.

And what is there to be surprised at, remember the great and brilliant directors, authors Carnival night и Diamond Hands - to what anti-Soviet hack they reached after the fall of the USSR, it was already a complete degeneration.

[kalibr]

Quote: Vasily50

quickly changed their shoes

Because everything "communist" has always been superficial. And why did the faithful Stalinists at the XX Congress not say a word against Khrushchev? Stalin, under whom they made a career, died at 53. Khrushchev became in 54th, the congress was in 56th ... Have their views changed in two years? "Marshal of Victory" Zhukov, Foreign Minister Molotov and others ... No! They were always in my soul ... but they were afraid. There are more of their own than the Germans. And as there was no need to be afraid - so they spoke in favor. Amicably! Rather, they kept silent together. But also in favor. So why are you surprised. Well, if Zhukov behaved this way and a cohort of marshals and generals, then ... what to ask of others, small ones?

[Andrei Balashov]

Molotov led the resistance to Khrushchev. Malenkov with him. And Kaganovich. Study the case of the anti-party group. And all three suffered for this. Their only mistake was the method of dealing with counter. Not publicity and public expression of one's opinion, but the same undercover struggle like Khrushchev's.

[garrett]

Molotov led the resistance to Khrushchev. Malenkov with him. And Kaganovich. Study the case of the anti-party group.

And Shepilov, who joined them

[garrett]

Molotov led the resistance to Khrushchev. Malenkov with him. And Kaganovich.

This was not resistance, but an internal party struggle.
The abovementioned comrades did not like the harshness and energy with which the Great Kukuruzo exposed the father of nations. During the June 1957 plenum of the Central Committee, they decided to express to his face everything that they think of him, and to remove him with WHOM. However, Nikita Sergeevich was lucky. His faithful ally Ekaterina Furtseva asked the conspirators to go out in a small way (only the men's toilet was adjacent to the meeting room, the women's was in the corridor), on the way she called Zhukov and Serov. Together they drew up a cunning plan: all the leadership of the republican Central Committees and regional committees, friendly to Khrushch, should be urgently delivered to Nerezinovsk by military aircraft, which was quickly and decisively done. And at the next enlarged meeting, Nikita Sergeevich pushed on and exposed the anti-party group of the sloppers Molotov, Malenkov, Kaganovich and Shepilov, who had joined them.

[kalibr]

Quote: Andrei Balashov

Molotov led the resistance to Khrushchev.

But at the XX Congress he kept silent!

[Ashes of Claes]

blogger-film critic

this combination is the best emetic.

[The leader of the Redskins]

"... With beautiful lighting" ...
That is, the author rejects the presence of a generator?
I have not been to Siberian camps. But one day, a long time ago, about fifteen years ago, I was lucky enough to be one day "on excursions" in the women's area. Not strict.
Do you know what amazed me a lot? One of the observations?
Opposite the residential buildings, just behind the asphalt path, roses were planted, followed by potatoes.
And all in such a clear, square bush way - like cells in a notebook! I thought even then - not otherwise "under the lace" was planted.
If this "blogger - critic" would have heard about this, he certainly would not have believed it! What roses are in the zone? What potatoes ?! There should also be dirt, blood and torture chambers !!!

[mz]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

If this "blogger - critic" would have heard about this, he certainly would not have believed it! What roses are in the zone? What potatoes ?! There should also be dirt, blood and torture chambers !!!

This "blogger-critic" is a professional historian. I would have believed it. He relatively recently analyzed a video of a certain Lyadov about the Solovetsky camp and cited in examples (with a photo) a camp theater with chic historical costumes (which toured other colonies!), A choir, a hockey, football, volleyball team, a library, various circles for cultural leisure in camp, etc.

[Doctor]

Opposite the residential buildings, just behind the asphalt path, roses were planted, followed by potatoes.
And all in such a clear, square bush way - like cells in a notebook! I thought even then - not otherwise "under the lace" was planted.
If this "blogger - critic" would have heard about this, he certainly would not have believed it! What roses are in the zone? What potatoes ?! There should also be dirt, blood and torture chambers !!!

Do you think there is no torture chamber?

[The leader of the Redskins]

BUR has seen it. There was a sewing machine in one of the cells. It turns out that even those who violate the routine are allowed to work and earn money.

[nickolai.maliugin]

It is understandable when the nobles hated the Bolsheviks. It would be understandable when such films were staged by people who got out of poverty. The Bolsheviks took everything from the nobles. The former government only gave these cultural figures: foreign trips, bright apartments in the best districts of Moscow and Leningrad, the opportunity to run theaters. But why are such films constantly being released? Do we have any problems in society today? They are above the roof. In the meantime, write a new "At the bottom". Are they waiting for new thanks abroad? What drives them? Take the theme of the absence of disinterested relations in society. No need to delve into ... They themselves kill themselves as artists.

[akarfoxhound]

Quote: rocket757

It's complicated.
The innocent, of course, were not imprisoned ... but who can argue that no one rigged the investigative materials ???

For the innocent they were not imprisoned:
Great-grandfather - a tsarist officer of the Republic of Ingushetia, a participant in WW1, after the revolution immediately left for Bulgaria, fundamentally unwilling to participate in a fratricidal war. In 1929 he decided to return to his homeland, naively believing "if he fought against no one, then there is nothing to be attached to claims." He was immediately arrested, camps, Belomorkanal, etc., the achievements of the socialist homeland, at the beginning of 1937 he was released, returned to his native village, his wife had died by that time, a teenage daughter remained, got a job on a collective farm and was immediately arrested again. And silence ... no correspondence. Now we have received a paper from the authorities on full rehabilitation and a certificate of execution, on the third day after the second arrest, he was shot by the decision of the court of the troika. The question is - how are you, comrades Bolsheviks? In the name of what is the child an orphan? Slivers fly, huh ???

[tatra]

Yes, we know your "ideology", enemies of the communists, that you, your relatives, are the same as you, neither under Soviet power, nor after the capture of the USSR by you, did not commit any crimes.
Only for some reason you are AFRAID to honestly discuss everything that you did both under Soviet rule, and during your anti-Soviet / anti-communist Perestroika, and in 30 years after your capture of the USSR.

[akarfoxhound]

"Omniscient" for my ideology - was the grass zaboristy today or just a personal fall aggravation?
If my family and I are involved in the collapse of the Union, return home to the Kanatchikova dacha rather ill, take a pill. Look, Kutuzov, blister cards, don't mix it up now

[tatra]

Ha, here is another part of the ideology of the enemies of the communists, all of them "have nothing to do" with responsibility for their capture of the USSR, and "all of them have to do with what they got after the capture of the USSR, to plant them with an evil, deceitful, slanderous, cowardly anti-Soviet as the "history" of their country and people, starting with their Perestroika.

[akarfoxhound]

Quote: tatra

Ha ..

What's the sound??? Has the lid to the Gagarin orbit gone with the shooting of the stage?

Right now, you demand that someone else comment on this "revolutionary provocative" diarrhea of ​​words, which is regularly repeated in each article, except for doctors?

Halloperidol and buy ...
and there Lenin is always young, and young October is ahead, and a tatra in leather with a Mauser ...

[Valery Banuzov]

"Sculptors" in the 21st century that they know about that time. While living in the capitals. You now come to our Magadan Region for the winter, live for nine months, as it were, under normal conditions. And not in the camp ... Then we will listen to your judgments about the life of "Ivan Denisovich" and the condemnation of Solzhenitsyn. The famous Korolev (young) became a "goner" in a few months. Thousands of zk in general work, and what general work is - I saw on the remnants of the camps, died, burning, in six months or less. There was nothing bright. One darkness. Thanks to all of them who were able to write some kind of memoirs, how they had the strength to once again survive this hell. You need to talk about that time as much as possible so that it never happens again.

[tatra]

Why is your "philanthropy", enemies of the communists, of all the prisoners in world history, exclusively towards the GULAG convicts?

[kig]

I have not watched the film, but I condemn it!

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

Klim Sanych is handsome!
The mustache, of course, is not very good, but it says everything correctly.
The Ministry of Culture spent 170 million on this ... Repair of the Icebreaker Krasin's Cultural Heritage Site - 45 million were allocated with difficulty - just for the deck. For 170 it could have been repaired like that ...

[ivan2022]

The author pointed out the technical problems rightly. Indeed, the man in the street is accustomed to the grandiose scale of the GULAG, but, for example, access to Magadan in the 40s was either by plane or by a steamer from the port of Vanino a couple of times a month ... and at the same time, millions, millions with axes, felling the forest, which is incomprehensible where did it go ... Where did the whole forest that fell in those days go? If you escape from the camp, then hundreds of kilometers through deserted places. But how did they get there in the camps in gigantic numbers? I was told at one time by a chauffeur who worked in the Far East that there were 12 sharashka camps along the entire coast of one and a half thousand convicts in each. I think the scale should correspond to the real technical capabilities of the regime of those years. And in those years, even the largest cities in the region had about 100 thousand inhabitants.

[Aleksandr97]

I agree with Klim Zhukov about the film briefly: a lie, a lie, and again a lie. Anitis-Soviet myth-making, the main goal of which has always been and is the destruction of Russia!

[White Tiger]

please pass on my gratitude to Klim Zhukov - for such a wonderful and detailed answer about the film ... And thank God that he didn’t look - only with the screensavers I realized that this ... I don’t even know what to call it ... In Soviet times, probably would be called "brainwashing"

[Siberian54]

The archipelago listened to "freedom" as a schoolboy, invited his father (8 years old for a fight because of a woman, in his youth) Listened, Actually, he is like a seasoned convict and chief mechanic of a large ATP (600 trucks and 150 buses of 1500 workers) always spoke carefully to you but here, if a politely two-minute speech was invested in a modern meme, "noodles" .. the rest is an emotional background ...