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Americans may abandon plans to deploy the European segment of the missile defense system, or Pig for Warsaw and Bucharest

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Americans may abandon plans to deploy the European segment of the missile defense system, or Pig for Warsaw and BucharestNot so long ago, the US Congress requested an expert group from the National Research Council of the United States (a department of the Academy of Sciences) to prepare a report on the prospects for deploying an American missile defense system. At the same time, the congressmen decided to find out the opinion of experts on how effective the program being built is an adaptive approach to the American missile defense system in terms of its possible counteraction against the Iranian and North Korean threats (well, not the Russian threat, in fact, to consider).

Specialists, as usual, scratched their heads and heads for a long time, after which they gave birth to a very interesting analytical report, according to which the approach to deploying an anti-missile defense system needs to be changed. Such information caused a lot of questions to the speakers. Why, they say, change, because it seems that there are agreements with many countries about placing anti-missiles on their territory, and money, as they say, is already invested - what are you saying, you are carrying it, gentlemen from the NIS USA.

The specialists responded to this as follows: there is nothing reprehensible in the program itself, of course, but there is one important aspect in it that causes some rough edges. The idea is that plans to deploy antimissiles in Eastern European countries may not lead to an effective result. Such an opinion among specialists came about after they analyzed one of the points of the very adaptive approach developed by the American administration. This clause states that by 2020, the United States must completely replace the antimissiles, which will be installed in Poland and Romania during 205-2018, with completely new and better versions.
American experts said that such a move would not lead to anything good for defense against a possible enemy attack, because defense systems simply cannot effectively counteract enemy missiles at the height of the climb. According to the report, the antimissile missiles will have very little time to intercept the missile, and this time, even for approaching the area close to the launch site, will not be enough.

In other words, either the Americans need to install missile defense systems directly in Iran and the DPRK in order to simply fill up the launch sites with their antimissiles, or to transfer the combat-ready part of the missile defense to their home to hit missiles in the middle stage of flight. I think the North Koreans and Iranians will react to the deployment of US missile defense systems in North Korea and Iran without understanding ... In general, it is not customary in these countries to understand the longstanding American horror stories about nuclear Tehran, multiplied by Pyongyang’s nuclear ... and others against it, it turns out that Americans need to take their multibillion-dollar (in terms of cost of implementation) missile defense system, which is called, an armpit and even transfer to their own land. More precisely, to leave on their own land, because the anti-missiles in a stationary state in the designated Eastern European regions have not yet appeared.

Analyzing the information that came from the United States, there arises at least one more interesting question. If we talk about the fact that the NIS specialists prepared their report just a few days ago, it turns out that the plan itself for the deployment of the European missile defense system was developed without taking into account the opinion of experts.

Has anyone infected Americans with a classic Russian virus: we first plan and develop, invest, and then suddenly we start to think about why we need it and whether the project will be effective. Has anyone really managed to implement the Russian version of Dulles’s plan for the USA ...
It is terrible to imagine what will happen to the authorities of those states where the Americans were going to not only deploy Euro missile defense, but also to engage in its systematic modernization, if the American administration suddenly listens to the opinion of NIS experts. The probability, of course, is microscopic, but again, suddenly ... Then this day in Poland and Romania will be clearly declared a day of national mourning, and the US’s refusal to cooperate on missile defense can cause mass insanity among the political elites of these countries, ready to deploy missile defense at least which blocks to join and at least some initiatives of the western "partner" to support.

After the experts declared the insolvency of the US missile defense system in Europe, a plan for the deployment of a continental missile defense system in the United States was immediately proposed. It should be recalled that now in the United States there are two blocks of missile defense: in Alaska and in California. The speakers advise to mark the third block in one of the northeastern states, which, in their opinion, would be much more efficient than spending on the deployment of similar systems in Eastern Europe.

As soon as such information came from the United States, many experts in Russia said that if the Americans started building a third missile defense unit at home, this would adversely affect the security of Russia. One of the supporters of this version is the head of the Center for Military Forecasting Anatoly Tsyganok and a representative of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis Alexander Khramchikhin. In particular, according to Khramchikhin, having American anti-missiles right next to Russia (in Eastern Europe) is much safer than if they were located directly in the United States. The matter allegedly is that the European missile defense system for Russian missiles is absolutely not terrible, but on the contrary, it plays the role of a garden scarecrow. But if, they say, the American authorities will transfer these anti-missiles to themselves, then the threat for Russia will be obvious ...

The bottom line is that the Russian strategic forces cannot in any way threaten missile defense in Europe, whatever tantrums we might have on this issue. And the missile defense system may be threatened if it is deployed in the territory of the United States of America itself.

Alexander Khramchikhin, head of the analytical department, "Institute for Political and Military Analysis" in an interview with the "However" correspondent


In general, the problem with the missile defense system is also that all the mine rockets in the catch-up course do not catch up with our mine rockets, but in the new technological conditions these missiles will be able to catch up with ours.

Plus, Russian experts understand that mine rockets can be replaced with nuclear ones within two days. Previously, we offered the help of our experts, but the Polish, Romanian and Bulgarian governments have denied us this.

In general, we already need to deal with planetary threats.

Anatoly Tsyganok, Head of the Center for Military Forecasting, Corresponding Member of the Academy of Military Sciences, Assistant Professor at the Faculty of World Politics, Moscow State University, commented on the situation for “However”


The version is, of course, interesting, but if you follow the same logic, then in general for us the greatest threat is the army of any foreign state that does not even go beyond the borders of this state. By the same logic, we should not be scared of the expansion of NATO, because, well, as they say, according to anyone, it does not bear any threat to Russia ... But if it didn’t expand, then write it was gone ...

And in general, in this case, the fears of the Russian authorities, which express clear dissatisfaction with the US plans to deploy anti-missile systems and radars in the immediate vicinity of Russia's borders, are completely unclear. Why so Medvedev at one time indignant and threatened Iskander near Kaliningrad to place, if this is EUROPRO - just a garden scarecrow? Apparently, he then waited for reports by American experts from the NIS, who would put everything on the shelves and in fact declare that now, for sure, EUROPRO should not be afraid.

In general, some kind of incident with this American missile defense is obtained. The United States itself has developed a plan, introduced steel, and now they have declared to the whole world that they should not be afraid of this system. And here we are still talking about the Russian inconsistency.

But if the Americans are going to disarm Europe, then you need to tell them that Warsaw and Bucharest will be left for half a rocket. And then, well, in fact, it is a pity for these Poles with Romanians. They are simply powerless without the American defense against the attacks of Pyongyang and Tehran ...
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  1. Redpartyzan
    Redpartyzan 14 September 2012 09: 20
    +7
    Thank you heartily thanks Alex. I have never met a comparison of europro with a garden scarecrow))) to be honest, I was always sure that yars with poplar would overcome the system without problems. And when adopting a new liquid-fuel rocket, duck just do not worry.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 September 2012 09: 37
      +9
      Yes, there will be no kind of missile defense, America is on the verge and everything else is just words for the average person about security. They have grandiose plans, only someone said that by the end of the year they will give for the dollar on the exchange in the face. And I completely agree with this forecast.
      1. Denzel13
        Denzel13 14 September 2012 13: 02
        +3
        Hi Sasha! I remember according to your forecasts in October - November we begin to drink about the collapse of the United States. Begin to prepare?

        It seems that the Pentagon has solemnly "sawed" banknotes and put forward a new theory of where to invest.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 September 2012 13: 28
          +4
          Denzel13,
          Quote: Denzel13
          Hi Sasha! I remember according to your forecasts in October - November we begin to drink about the collapse of the United States

          Hi to you, Sasha, well, more likely at the end of October than in November. Somewhere around this time there will come an amba of the economy with all the consequences. hi
          Quote: Denzel13
          The Pentagon solemnly "sawed" banknotes and put forward a new theory of where else to invest.

          A special role is assigned to the Pentagon, to prevent the starving masses from storing products.
          1. Denzel13
            Denzel13 14 September 2012 13: 44
            +4
            Yesterday I read briefly that the Fed is starting to buy up mortgages at the rate of 40 billion per month, and it turns out that people are taken hostage in a centralized manner. Yes, the situation is interesting and the Pentagon will come in handy.
        2. REPA1963
          REPA1963 14 September 2012 23: 29
          0
          Do you want to spend the rest of your life sober?
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 14 September 2012 09: 34
    +5
    article with healthy irony. thanks.
    I don’t know how this whole story with the pro ends, but I look at it exactly. euro-poppycock full. simply amers indicate their presence. and what really happens there, no one will tell us. show me at least one who knows what is happening on the sidelines of big politics
  3. vladimir64ss
    vladimir64ss 14 September 2012 09: 35
    +8
    Amer’s system of global total deterrence is simply collapsing. It is a pity that they understood early, not completely tearing the navel. It is hoped that the process of insane expenses launched by them will do its job.
  4. erased
    erased 14 September 2012 09: 48
    +5
    The US can put rockets where they decide. But this should not affect the plans to protect the country from any threats. But missile defense in Europe or the Middle East must be overcome in any case.
  5. USNik
    USNik 14 September 2012 10: 04
    +2
    mine missiles can be replaced by nuclear missiles within two days.

    Can I cover this topic in more detail? And it turns out that the point is not in missile defense, but in the deployment of nuclear warheads and delivery vehicles near Russia ...
  6. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 14 September 2012 10: 05
    +4
    ha, I liked the article extremely, the author has a hundred pluses) and so, the Americans did not really start to think with their heads more and not in other places ....
    1. stariy
      stariy 14 September 2012 22: 18
      0
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      not really started to think with their heads

      Yes, no, they just decided to count the money, but it didn’t grow together a little ... 2nd SDI didn’t work, everything turns out for a turn.
  7. VadimSt
    VadimSt 14 September 2012 10: 17
    +8
    An article in the topic +.
    That's just, with a share of irony, I think:
    1. Since when did Poland, Romania, the Czech Republic, etc., suddenly become a "red rag" for an angry Iran and North Korea?
    2. Where and when, I, missed the information that between these "great" European powers and Asian "outcasts", a "nuclear cat" ran?
    3. Do they know in Iran, and especially in North Korea, what these countries are and where they are?
    1. RUSmen
      RUSmen 14 September 2012 11: 45
      +1
      VadimSt plus, I totally agree! Countries: "5" and an incomprehensible world: Romania, Poland and the Czech Republic seem to be deserts on the globe.
  8. Delink
    Delink 14 September 2012 10: 25
    +4
    At the wrong time they started checking! It was necessary another 1 trillion dollars. tumble into missile defense. To strangle your economy. But it seems they don’t think about her.
  9. Alonso
    Alonso 14 September 2012 10: 26
    +3
    It seems to me to trust any statements of Americans is not worth it. It is necessary to rely only on facts, intelligence data. And for every power there is even more power. Putin, in his Munich speech, explicitly stated that if the Americans deployed a missile defense system, we will put into service an even more advanced system. Which, of course, will not be directed against America))
  10. selendis
    selendis 14 September 2012 10: 28
    +3
    Yyyy) in Warsaw - and North Korea where is it? In Korea - and who are the Romanians?))))))
    There is no doubt the most threatening countries to each other))). I neighing over the article from the heart, very cool))) But seriously, how much dough the Americans have already injected into the pro, bribery, equipment, bases, personnel, etc., and it turned out - they wanted the best)), but It turned out as always.
    PS A little boy found a crossbow,
    He went to the old man for good advice,
    The elder said - you click on the hook,
    Adhered to the wall, old man - little fools
  11. strannik595
    strannik595 14 September 2012 10: 28
    +5
    bummer again ...... and Rasmussen spread his arms
  12. cucun
    cucun 14 September 2012 11: 04
    +1
    I already wrote in a similar thread that the euro missile defense is from the SDI series. The same was a lot of show-off, but in fact there was a cyclical "divorce". The Amersky military-industrial complex divorced the US government, the President of the United States divorced the Central Committee of the CPSU, our military-industrial complex began to dissolve the government, and everyone was in anticipation of sharing the dough ...
    To date, the vaunted system was hit by the Amer satellite, which did not maneuver, the trajectory and speed are known. In short, the target. And even the amers understand that they cannot get our warheads. At least for today.
  13. IPSC-2008
    IPSC-2008 14 September 2012 11: 11
    0
    We will now always trust such "reliable" sources from the United States. It turns out that nothing threatens us, you can place yourself wherever you want, and we can relax. Well, like children, by God. What do OUR institutes say?
    http://topwar.ru/18853-rossiya-gotovit-vesomyy-argument-protiv-amerikanskoy-pro.

    html -next article
  14. anchonsha
    anchonsha 14 September 2012 11: 13
    +1
    It’s a pity all the same, that the amers opened their eyes ... Well, even if they had driven at least one trillion of their money into stagnant Poland and not having a word in the world, Romania ... Thanks Volodina for a wonderful article !!!
  15. gansik
    gansik 14 September 2012 11: 49
    +2
    The Americans are not such idiots as described here, most likely a double game.
  16. Very smart
    Very smart 14 September 2012 11: 53
    +2
    The article is good, the author - respect.
    The deployment of missile defense in Europe or in the USA has its positive and negative sides for the Russian Federation - as always.
    From our side, the European missile defense system can be disabled by inexpensive and high-quality Iskander missiles or something similar. This is good, but the problem is that, as always, there will be no one to give the order to launch a preventive strike. The generals will crap - just like that! In the meantime, information will be delivered to BB - the result is unpredictable. And technically everything is clear, although not simple.
    Missile defense in the USA - a double-edged sword or a three-edged sword. 1. The interception of warheads at such speeds and in such a volume, when used correctly, is a dark matter, and is estimated by statistical probability. 2. Poisonous materials from destroyed warheads will fall into the United States. And in this case, with a large half-life - Chernobyl-2 with home delivery.
    3. ABM as a containment system - let it be. So calmer. In fact, no one wants to fight. They have something to lose, and we are tired of it.
  17. Zlu
    Zlu 14 September 2012 12: 02
    +1
    Very interesting article, I always read with pleasure Volodin Alexey +
  18. Andrei
    Andrei 14 September 2012 13: 40
    0
    The article was especially pleased with these words
    Has anyone infected Americans with a classic Russian virus: we first plan and develop, invest, and then suddenly we start to think about why we need it and whether the project will be effective. Has anyone really managed to implement the Russian version of Dulles’s plan for the USA ...

    then the American technician set the submarine on fire so that he could leave home early ... this is .... moreover, it’s not a fantasy but a real state of affairs, and when something goes wrong with your opponent, that’s good))
    In general, the author is well done! + him for the article
  19. Beck
    Beck 14 September 2012 13: 58
    0
    Why so much noise. Americans put missile defense systems in Europe, because they’re not offensive missiles.
    Medvedev announced the answer and delivered or is going to deliver Iskander in Kaliningrad. They are a shield, a Russian sword. I still remember Gorbachev, when asked about the presence of thousands of tanks in the USSR in the GDR, Poland, Hungary, answered - So NATO has more anti-tank weapons. So if the tanks do not go, these anti-tank weapons are useless. Found the answer. The picture is similar now. And now a similar hysteria. What is the logic? They are offensive missiles, in response Russia is the same missiles. They are missile defense, let Russia put ABM. It's like they are a shield and we are a shield. They are the sword we are the sword. That's all. And then they are a shield, but in Russia there is noise.

    And why it is worth launching Russian missiles across America, not through Europe, but through the Pacific Ocean or through both poles. And then what will the American missile defense in Europe do? And if you want to hit Europe, so why not launch missiles on Western Europe from submarines from the North Sea or the Atlantic. And where is then the American missile defense stationed in Eastern Europe will do. But nothing remains useless.

    By the way, Medvedev said that in response to the US missile defense, Russia will deliver its missile defense elements in the form of radar stations in Kaliningrad and Voronezh. I went to one of them. There is such a colossus with a ten-story building. So you can’t build it in three to five years. So they built ahead of time. And America made no noise.
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 14 September 2012 18: 34
      0
      you cannot build it in three to five years. So they built ahead of time. And America made no noise.


      Unlike the radar of previous generations, Voronezh requires significantly less time to deploy - from one and a half to two years. For example, the stations in the cities of Usolye-Sibirskoye and Lehtusi were built in record time - one and half year.
      1. Beck
        Beck 14 September 2012 18: 42
        0
        Generalisimusu.

        Well, you know better. I’ve named it in the estimation of the year. I do not consider myself a specialist.
        1. Generalissimus
          Generalissimus 14 September 2012 19: 16
          0
          I’m only for information. =) You will come in handy.
          1. Beck
            Beck 14 September 2012 19: 20
            0
            Herelissimus.

            Many thanks. Good luck.
  20. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 14 September 2012 13: 59
    +1
    we still say something about our generals with their dachas and kickbacks compared to amers, they are just boys with dirty asses, who really knows how to cut taxpayer dough!
  21. gregor6549
    gregor6549 14 September 2012 15: 00
    +1
    In my highly unenlightened view, all this anti-missile fuss is nothing more than an attempt to show that with the deployment of land-based missile defense systems in Europe or sea-type missile defense systems along the perimeter of Russia's maritime borders, it will provide a guaranteed interception of Topol-type strategic missiles with multiple and maneuvering combat and false heads ... Therefore, a theory was invented that since these missiles are difficult to "escape" at the final stage of their trajectory, it is booming to catch them at the initial stage, when all the battle and other heads are peacefully sleeping under one hood, ie. in the "one bottle" and the "bottle" itself is easier to detect and accompany, since the reflecting surface is larger than in each of the heads and the torch is brighter and there is more time for the reaction. On paper, all this looks beautiful, but skeptics and specialists in the same States have long been claiming that this whole "new missile defense strategy" is another "bullshit" and that an antidote can be found against it "like two fingers on the table" (sorry). Moreover, even field tests of these missile defense systems are carried out with great conventions only so that the idea does not bend. But in the absence of better ideas and in the presence of a great desire to feed the exorbitantly inflated military-industrial complex, it is still tasty and satisfying, all this missile defense is being promoted with all its might, as in its time another "bullshit" by the name of SDI was being promoted.
    One can also add that even before the collapse of the Union, many experts in uniform and without uniforms came to the simple conclusion that the only reliable missile defense system is the destruction of enemy missile launchers before they take off. Those. a preemptive or preventive strike, however disgusting it may sound. After all, if foreign rockets have already taken off, then press the buttons on your launchers and call your family to say goodbye ... unless, of course, you have time, which is unlikely.
    It is not in vain that Israel insists so precisely on a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities and missile bases. understands that if Iran starts first, then all Israeli missile defense systems (Patriots, Iron Domes, Arrows, etc.) will not save anyone and nothing, although they will try.
    Maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe ....
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 14 September 2012 23: 39
      0
      Iran will not answer in any way all these tales from the crypt .....
  22. Forward
    Forward 14 September 2012 20: 46
    +1
    Nice article with humor! In general, this site seems to be very carefully studied by amers ... As soon as it sounded here (!) That US missile defense in Europe is a dummy, the US "specialists" immediately recognized it! Doesn't this mean anything to you? There are a lot of retirees (including myself) and many have an analytical view, thus the site topwar.ru saves amer's "analysts" money and time, they just read it very carefully and diligently, draw conclusions and that's it ... request
    1. stariy
      stariy 14 September 2012 22: 34
      0
      Quote: Forward
      carefully and diligently read, draw conclusions and all.

      Yes, it’s not all, they also need to cut their budgets somehow, they want to live on a freebie.
    2. edge
      edge 16 September 2012 02: 29
      0
      ............. and they absolutely believe everyone’s word for grace
  23. Alarm bell
    Alarm bell 14 September 2012 21: 52
    0
    Quote: Beck
    Why so much noise. Americans put missile defense systems in Europe, because they’re not offensive missiles.


    And what prevents them from replacing warheads with special charges, then a couple of minutes will fly from Poland to these missile defense systems to Kaliningrad, a little longer to St. Petersburg, and maybe 10-15 minutes to Moscow, and that’s all. In the morning hours (remember what time the Nazis attacked the USSR), when everyone is sleeping, no one will have time to evacuate and 1/3 of Russia's population will burn out within an hour without even waking up, well, that's humane.


    Quote: gregor6549
    An improved Aegis along the perimeter of the Russian maritime borders will ensure a guaranteed interception of strategic missiles of the Topol type with multiple and maneuvering battles and false heads.


    They can’t successfully launch these missiles in order to successfully bring down these missiles, and this is practically impossible to do. Then our missiles fly not through Europe, but through the North Pole. They may even knock down Iran’s missiles, but I don’t like at all that the remnants of these missiles would fall on the European part of Russia and probably soon it would be necessary not to deploy scaffolds, but to deploy a missile defense system what
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 14 September 2012 23: 37
      0
      The launch is detected by a satellite hanging in a geocentric orbit i.e. at one point, so this is hardly a problem. And about anti-missile defense, I remember there was such a movie "I know that you know that I know."
    2. Beck
      Beck 15 September 2012 09: 36
      0
      Nabatu.

      "Replace Warheads"

      Is it technically possible? After all, any rocket is created for a specific application.
      1. edge
        edge 16 September 2012 02: 33
        0
        standard mines are designed for the launch of all types of missiles, up to promising samples
  24. REPA1963
    REPA1963 14 September 2012 23: 32
    0
    Yes, cool here suckers lit, America collapses, the dollar dies and these ears are hung and sitting, dried noodles ....
  25. Alarm bell
    Alarm bell 15 September 2012 00: 39
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    Quote: REPA1963

    The start is detected by a satellite hanging in a geocentric orbit, i.e. at one point, so this is hardly a problem


    A very big problem. Satellites take pictures and do not broadcast online video streaming. In addition, dozens of them are needed to cover the territory of Russia with one satellite. And spy satellites do not hang in geostationary orbit.
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 15 September 2012 08: 13
      0
      Satellites have long been able to broadcast "live video" (videostream) in digital form and with good resolution (high definition), which can be obtained both with the help of multispectral video cameras, and with the help of so-called. synthetic aperture radars (analogous to aircraft side-looking radars). Another thing is that in the event of serious conflicts, no one is going to give satellites the freedom to engage in video and other filming. Here, however, as someone is lucky. Satellites are now also not simple blanks and know how to defend themselves
  26. Dimych from Vanino
    Dimych from Vanino 15 September 2012 23: 25
    +1
    Comrade Etsilop .... give me a missile defense ......))))