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Ukrainian political scientist: In case of another provocation by the British in Crimea, Russians will not stand on ceremony

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Another attempt by the Royal fleet Great Britain to commit a provocation near the Russian Crimea will end with the sinking of a British ship. Ukrainian political scientist Mikhail Pogrebinsky is convinced of this.


The Kiev expert said that at present Russia has an undeniable military advantage in the Black Sea, despite all the statements and attempts to prevent this by Ukraine and NATO. Answering the question about the provocation of Great Britain, which does not recognize Russia's maritime borders near Crimea, the political scientist suggested that the next time in the event of a border violation, the Russian military would not stand on ceremony and, after a warning, would simply sink a British ship.

If suddenly the UK decides (...) there is an assumption that in this case they will be sunk just everything, in a short time (...) I suppose that after a short warning they will be sunk

- said Pogrebinsky.

Just a week ago, Russian military expert Viktor Baranets announced the need to "strike to kill" at the violating ships. This statement was made after the attempt of the American destroyer Chafee to enter the territorial waters of Russia, which was suppressed by the Admiral Tributs armored vehicle of the Pacific Fleet.

According to Barantz, Russia needs to revise the law on the state border, significantly tightening it, in order to once and for all show the US and NATO ships that no one is allowed to violate the Russian border. In his opinion, a single incident with the sinking of an intruder ship will not lead to war, but it will teach the Americans and their allies to respect Russian laws.
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  1. singless
    singless 24 October 2021 12: 14
    -11
    taking off against all the laws of physics. It is high time. that's just the words. everyone is waiting for who is the first. and the first is Gagarin. It is not profitable to fight with Russia
    1. alex neym_2
      alex neym_2 24 October 2021 12: 35
      +8
      This physics is surprising: iron is heavier than water, but floats, but with one condition - in the territorial waters of other POWERS for some reason, alien iron actively strives to the center of the Earth! Maybe the people with mattresses will at least take this into account ... (with humor - I know the laws of physics).
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 24 October 2021 14: 22
        +13
        Pay attention, there are practically no Americans among those who like to fool around on our maritime borders, but there are their lackeys - the British, Ukrainians ... and even the Dutch. This clearly shows that in the event of drowning, the "elder brother" will calmly merge. negative
        1. Raven 95
          Raven 95 24 October 2021 14: 26
          +15
          The elder brother is not bad. Why should he expose himself if there is a queue of lackeys.
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 25 October 2021 14: 28
            +1
            Both Baranets and Pogrebinsky are right, perhaps: how long can you tolerate blatant rudeness? smile
        2. valentine light
          valentine light 25 October 2021 18: 32
          +1
          "..the elder brother" will quietly merge .. "
          Absolutely correct remark.
          And the United States is not involved in provocations.
          Even in the Far East, after a warning, they quickly took the correct course.

          I can even predict which of the countries will get Lulei Keabs out of turn, since they have installed dual-use MK-41 complexes, one of which will be a medium-range cruise missile.
    2. knn54
      knn54 24 October 2021 13: 20
      0
      - declared the need to "strike to kill" at the violating ships.
      Why hit right away. You never know "unidentified objects" hiding in the depths of the sea.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 24 October 2021 16: 26
        -2
        Quote: knn54
        - declared the need to "strike to kill" at the violating ships.
        Why hit right away. You never know "unidentified objects" hiding in the depths of the sea.

        And what, kiss them in the ass?
        Although, ours will be almond anyway. After all, they have all the wealth "there" and you never know what ...
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 24 October 2021 12: 15
    0
    Nobody will drown anything, otherwise the people of the allegedly Russian billionaires will arrest the accounts of the allegedly Russian billionaires, but the yachts with estates will be taken away! ...
    1. Evil troll
      Evil troll 24 October 2021 12: 30
      +6
      What haven’t been selected yet?
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 24 October 2021 12: 35
        -6
        An evil troll is a lever against the Kremlin! As soon as the authorities REALLY show their character, will and strength, the selection of the "pseudo-Russian billionaires' property, which is beyond their strength, at our expense, will begin.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 24 October 2021 12: 39
          +13
          Why was Russia allowed to gain a foothold in Syria?
          Why aren't the Kremlin forces forced to pump more gas?
          1. Thrifty
            Thrifty 24 October 2021 12: 45
            -12
            Sidor Amnnpodestovich -in Syria, what percentage of territory control by Assad is slightly more than half of the country? A question for you, why, having S400 there, the Kremlin allows the Israelis to bomb Syria with impunity? As for gas, this is loot, the Germans literally begged the Yankees not to introduce REAL sanctions, they really need gas, unlike the population of Russia, where there is more firewood in a heap of regions!
          2. 210ox
            210ox 24 October 2021 12: 46
            +3
            And why not gain a foothold there, if the legitimate government has invited and the Turks are allowed through the Bosphorus. True, this pass is either temporary or not for nothing. They may not give a damn about the doctrine of Montreux.
          3. fruc
            fruc 24 October 2021 12: 47
            +4
            This gas pipeline is used not only by Gazprom, the state, and numerous shareholders in our country and abroad. I think that a multi-move game is going on here in the interests of not only the aforementioned, but the rest are just pawns.
        2. Evil troll
          Evil troll 24 October 2021 12: 41
          +16
          I hear these mantras since the time of the compulsion of the possessed Mishiko to the world: that they are about to click their fingers and that's it. And since then, Crimea has been returned, and they have survived a bunch of sanctions, and streams have been built, they still cannot confiscate the estates of allegedly Russian billionaires.
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 24 October 2021 13: 34
        -9
        Quote: Angry Troll
        What haven’t been selected yet?

        Have you already forgotten about Deripaska?
        Read, whose "Russian aluminum" is now
        1. Evil troll
          Evil troll 24 October 2021 13: 55
          +7
          I have read it and remain with my opinion.
      3. ammunition
        ammunition 24 October 2021 13: 43
        -4
        Quote: Angry Troll
        What haven’t been selected yet?

        They took away. But not all . Certainly. There is a lot left. And Pogrebinsky .. exaggerates. The maximum ... what is possible, in the event of impudent provocations, is a neat 30-mm shelling. guns. So as not to hurt the offender's personnel.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 24 October 2021 12: 38
      -22
      Minus from the Kremlin oligarchs flew to me, not otherwise wassat members of the forum are more adequate, react to the truth sensibly, or am I very mistaken? ?? wassat
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 October 2021 12: 44
        +5
        I agree with Baranets. It is necessary to revise the law on the state border. At the present time, they will not naturally use weapons against a warship.
        1. ammunition
          ammunition 24 October 2021 13: 46
          -1
          Quote: 210ox
          they will not use weapons on a warship.

          That is, "they will not use heavy weapons," Right?
          1. 210ox
            210ox 24 October 2021 13: 59
            0
            Yes, at least some. Precautionary shooting, I do not exclude it. But on the ship, no.
      2. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 24 October 2021 13: 17
        -8
        No! They are from the same "Ukrainian political scientists" as Pogrebinsky! laughing
        Lord, can you still refer to him? People! Remember what he "prophesied" five years ago! According to him, Wishlist should have come true for a long time - Ukraine collapsed, Poroshenko in Nuremberg, the United States to ashes ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox 24 October 2021 15: 01
          +1
          When political scientists speak, the noodles are already boiling and it's time to pour it on your ears.
      3. Diverxnumx
        Diverxnumx 25 October 2021 11: 04
        +2
        Don't you overestimate yourself for an hour? More than twenty "Kremlin oligarchs" have minus you - have found time to read and evaluate you ... smile
    3. hrych
      hrych 24 October 2021 12: 52
      +9
      This is Navalny's song, whom the Brita finance wassat All these Berezovskys, Patarkatsishvili and others do not live long. Accounts ... with zeros in computers, they are simply delet, along with their holders. The same Chichvarkin is sitting there, already poor. According to the accounts not of billionaires, this is not interesting, but of state officials, well, there are top managers, but we have adopted a law and here they are rather poor things under a hood.
      With regards to the strike on a warship. It's not needed. There are other methods. For example, a steel net is thrown by a helicopter along the way, which is wound on screws and then only a tug laughing
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 24 October 2021 13: 49
        +7
        Quote: hrych
        There are other methods. For example, a steel net is thrown by a helicopter along the way, which is wound on screws and then only a tug

        No, steel will not work: it will immediately drown and will not cause "inconveniences due to the violator". But propylene - the most it will be! It does not sink so quickly and, being wound on the line of the shaft, is sintered so that nothing can cut it ... The screw wedges tightly.
        Therefore - for the PROPELENOVA network under the screws of violators of the state border! drinks laughing
        1. hrych
          hrych 24 October 2021 13: 52
          -1
          There she is with floats
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 24 October 2021 13: 55
            +3
            Quote: hrych
            There she is with floats

            It is inconvenient with floats: a too bulky design will turn out.
            And it will be noticeable from the chassis. And so - Bulk! And then at least a day of "continuous creative underwater work of a pair of divers in providing a diving boat and a post on the deck" - RAT !!! bully
            1. hrych
              hrych 24 October 2021 13: 57
              0
              The Norwegians seem to have used the net against our "poacher". By their own method and physiognomy drinks
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 24 October 2021 14: 03
                +4
                Quote: hrych
                The Norwegians seem to have used the net against our "poacher". By their own method and physiognomy

                Old, and I mean the same: the net was not steel! nylon.
                But the joys when you "wind on the screw" (literally and figuratively) are full of pants. Especially when you have not 2, but one "leg" ... You lie in a drift, swing, and the breeze grows stronger ... After 15m / s, the point becomes automatic, and your eyes - to the barometer ...
                RAT, in a word. laughing
    4. Maikcg
      Maikcg 24 October 2021 13: 33
      -6
      The FSE is gone, now the Kremlin patrners will bring another black mark and the terms of surrender to Putin will be brought.
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 24 October 2021 14: 00
      -4
      Quote: Thrifty
      The matter will not go further than words with this power, and then suddenly the "kremlepatrners" will take everything to heart, and frown strongly, for a start. ...

      Who knows ... Perhaps the moment when the delay of death is like, has already come? At some stage, one's own right of guarantees becomes more important than the safety of someone's billions. In addition, there are generally accepted international norms that allow the arrest of ships (vessels) that have violated international law, and those who refuse with a clear conscience must be brought down ...
    6. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 24 October 2021 19: 02
      +5
      Quote: Thrifty
      No one will drown anything, and then the naglich people arrest the accounts of the allegedly Russian billionaires, but they take away yachts with estates Things will not go further than words with this power, and then suddenly the "kremlepatrners" will take everything to heart, and frown strongly, for a start. ...
      Already three years ago, these "account holders" were offered a financial amnesty, and on the most "tasty" terms, against the redemption of Russian securities. In fact, they were asked not only to "disinterestedly" invest the stolen babos in paper, but also to receive the interest due after a certain period of their storage. Someone heard and redistributed their deposits "correctly", while others, due to their stupidity and understanding of the complete infinity of the history of acquiring capital, do not exist and now they simply risk giving the snatched babos to some financial structures of the foggy albion. Is it worth worrying about them? I think that against the background of a golden rain of babos who have been crumbling down due to the unprecedented rise in gas prices, it is not a pity for the authorities to lose the “ten” billions that were unpromising to return.
  3. SKVichyakow
    SKVichyakow 24 October 2021 12: 16
    +5
    It is so. Only there is doubt about its performance. Impunity always breeds permissiveness.
    1. fruc
      fruc 24 October 2021 12: 32
      +1
      ..... According to Barantz, Russia needs to revise the law on the state border, significantly tightening it, in order to show it once and for all to the ships of the United States and NATO .....

      Let Baranets reconsider. The law already exists from 01.04.1993 N 4730-1 (last edition), and responsibility for its violations, it must be observed (everything is written there), and not be engaged in paperwork.
  4. beeper
    beeper 24 October 2021 12: 19
    -3
    The military then and yes, if the Kremlin "waiters" allow them ... what
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 October 2021 12: 30
    +2
    I'm not sure about drowning, but warning fire is easy. Well, if even in this case the British (or others) are not smart enough to get out, then extreme measures are possible. It is better not to guess what measures can be taken, time will tell.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 24 October 2021 14: 25
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It is better not to guess what measures can be taken, time will tell.

      As long as this exists:

      We already broke spears in June:
      https://topwar.ru/184406-minoborony-izmenit-reglament-primenenija-oruzhija-aviacii-vks-po-korabljam-narushiteljam-gosgranicy.html
      Therefore, unfortunately, users are right who say that nothing will happen. Everything else is just our emotions, which do not strap on anywhere.
      ==========
      Let the desire to resolve issues with violators in a cardinal way remain, but in reality we can be provided with a priority entry to heaven ... Nothing but ... Or Russia should revise the regulatory documents. There is only one way to "retaliate" in peacetime - the passage of Russian Navy warships in a similar way near the shores of the violating country. BUT!!! stop Isn't there a lot of honor. to put our sailors in obviously desperate situations? For what preferences and to whom?
  6. s.adviser
    s.adviser 24 October 2021 12: 31
    -2
    it seems to me that the determination of the masters of the Russian Federation to enter into an armed confrontation with their Western masters is too exaggerated.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 24 October 2021 14: 35
      -1
      Quote: s.adviser
      it seems to me that the determination of the masters of the Russian Federation to enter into an armed confrontation with their Western masters is too exaggerated.

      It seems to me that the spinelessness of the authorities of the Russian Federation is due to their dependence on the masters of the West, and the possibilities are limited by mercantile interests.
      For many years now we have been playing a spectacle when the "formidable" ruler of Russia surrenders state positions one after another. And today a call-appeal: "Russia is great, but there is nowhere to retreat - Moscow is behind!" - may sound simply mocking: "Russia is great, but it cannot do anything - Moscow is everywhere!"
      hi
      1. Shiden
        Shiden 24 October 2021 22: 06
        +1
        Maybe you still remember how in the past many commented that in international politics Russia has the Anglo-Saxons. Where are those times and where are those commentators.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 October 2021 12: 35
    +1
    Sinking - I'm not sure ... a warning fire, threatening enough to put the "brains back" - is quite possible. Well, if it doesn't help - on the case ... wassat
    1. alex neym_2
      alex neym_2 24 October 2021 12: 39
      +2
      On the wheelhouse, to be more precise: what would there be less screams on the air ...
  8. Clochard
    Clochard 24 October 2021 12: 38
    +1
    If I'm not mistaken, at the end of August I read somewhere that the captains of British warships were given the right to independently decide to open fire if the crew and the ship itself are in real danger
    1. fruc
      fruc 24 October 2021 12: 59
      +1
      It turns out that the captains of British warships were given the right (in fact) to declare war?
      1. Clochard
        Clochard 25 October 2021 12: 04
        0
        For protection in case of real danger,
    2. Maikcg
      Maikcg 24 October 2021 13: 38
      +2
      This right has always been with everyone. The conditions differ, either you are in neutral waters and pirates are attacking you, or you provocatively climbed where they are not asking for adventures on the fifth point.
  9. svp67
    svp67 24 October 2021 12: 44
    +4
    According to Barantz
    Lord ... found whose opinion to listen to ...
    1. agond
      agond 24 October 2021 12: 54
      +3
      Or maybe for such cases, small rockets with paint, such as in paintball.?
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 24 October 2021 13: 41
        +3
        High-speed unmanned (just in case) catamaran with a tank of shit and a powerful water hose.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 24 October 2021 14: 41
        +1
        Quote: agond
        Or maybe for such cases, small rockets with paint, such as in paintball.?

        ... Better as in ATMs - indelible ... bully
  10. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 24 October 2021 12: 48
    -3
    ***
    “And the Dnieper will flow into the Pont Sea with three zherela, Ruskoe... "...

    Increase the time.
    ---
    Do not swim for the buoys!
    ---
    We are for the fact that in the Black Sea
    The ships did not sink ...
    ***
  11. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 24 October 2021 12: 53
    -3
    Ukrainians are all creative. They are trying to influence Moscow with their brilliant statements. Nothing would have raised the position of this frostbite like the sinking of someone's ship. The sweet dream of a Bandera ...
  12. ximkim
    ximkim 24 October 2021 13: 16
    -4
    If a British ship is sunk, the British will not remain in the red.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 24 October 2021 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: ximkim
      If a British ship is sunk, the British will not remain in the red.

      Do you think they will send those that are more expensive to write off and cut? good
  13. BABAY22
    BABAY22 24 October 2021 13: 18
    +7
    If you really drown, then drown tightly. By cutting off the connection beforehand. And so that no one surfaced. And ends in the water. The ship disappeared and disappeared, you never know they disappear.
    And whoever needs it will understand the hint. Yes
    1. Crash
      Crash 24 October 2021 14: 37
      0
      Do you propose to organize the Black Sea-Bermuda triangle?)
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 24 October 2021 13: 26
    +1
    Ukrainian political scientist: In case of another provocation by the British in Crimea, Russians will not stand on ceremony
    To be or not to be, that is the question !!!
  15. Glagol1
    Glagol1 24 October 2021 13: 39
    0
    Yes, the right idea, tightening of the Border Law and notification of this after the adoption of the UN. It should work like this: voice warning, if there is no reaction, warning fire, if not again - fire to kill. Automatically. Until the introduction of time intervals. And then the fighters for free navigation will go free to swim somewhere else, and not along our borders.
  16. Maikcg
    Maikcg 24 October 2021 13: 43
    +1
    So, and the Ukrainian political scientist does not want to speak out about provocations, for example, the APU?
  17. ximkim
    ximkim 24 October 2021 14: 12
    0
    Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
    Quote: ximkim
    If a British ship is sunk, the British will not remain in the red.

    Do you think they will send those that are more expensive to write off and cut? good

    They will do so in order to benefit from the conflict.
  18. Ural resident
    Ural resident 24 October 2021 14: 57
    0
    Baranets, with all due respect, does not make decisions, besides, he is "famous" for radical statements. And for what reason does Pogrebinsky know how Russia will behave? these are just words. At a high level, my thoughts on this, I suppose.
  19. Realist_2
    Realist_2 24 October 2021 15: 18
    0
    It's time to take more specific measures besides threats. They wanted to chihat on threats not backed up by tough actions. We have been threatening for a long time, but we are not taking action. It is worth showing the strength of the weapon once and they will smell like a "steamed turnip". But alas, "steamed turnips are still coming from us.
  20. Irek
    Irek 24 October 2021 16: 17
    0
    It will not sink, only it will stink strongly.
  21. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 24 October 2021 20: 37
    0
    Quote: Proxima
    Pay attention, there are practically no Americans among those who like to fool around on our maritime borders, but there are their lackeys - the British, Ukrainians ... and even the Dutch. This clearly shows that in the event of drowning, the "elder brother" will calmly merge. negative

    The British are not lackeys) It is not known who else walks under whom. Ours will not drown anyone for violating the borders. This is not an outright military threat. Shooting on the course is most likely. Do you want to play war frenzied in war? They actually die there, and the children are still with women, and not just pictures on TV.
  22. BOB044
    BOB044 24 October 2021 21: 20
    0
    Stop playing with them. It's time to show your fangs to the bear. So that their stools become liquid.
  23. mediumpro
    mediumpro 26 October 2021 07: 31
    0
    In the Russian Federation there is such a concept of not exceeding the necessary defense ... So no one will drown ... They will shine a locator ... shoot in the air ... fly an airplane ...
  24. krjugerfred
    krjugerfred 26 October 2021 12: 32
    0
    Drown definitely, so that with a whistle he went to feed the Kraken. Save the team, condemn for trespassing, and give a magic penal.
    https://s01.yapfiles.ru/files/877317/pizdagifkivolshebnyipendal58881.gif