Turkish main battle tank Altay will go into production with a South Korean power plant

The Turkish Altay main battle tank will go into production with a South Korean engine. As Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusolu said on his Twitter page, Turkey and South Korea signed an agreement on the supply of South Korean-made power plants. ...

An agreement on military cooperation, implying the supply of South Korean engines for the Turkish MBT Altay, was signed on Friday. The signing of the document was confirmed by the Minister of Defense Procurement Program of South Korea (DAPA) Kang Eun Ho.

The details of the agreement are not given, but it was previously reported that BMC, which received a contract for the supply of the Turkish army tanks Altay, negotiated with two South Korean companies Doosan Infracore Co. and S&T Dynamics Co., for the supply of the engine and transmission.

Thus, the Altay MBT, which has been waiting for so long in the Turkish army, will receive a South Korean engine instead of the originally planned German or its own design. The tank is almost ready for mass production, it all came down to the lack of an engine for it. Prior to this, the Altay prototype was powered by a 1500 hp diesel engine. from the German company MTU Friedrichshafen Gmb., however, Germany has banned the supply of MTU MT883 engines due to the arms embargo imposed on Turkey.

The agreement on the design of the Altay tank was concluded in 2007, the first sample of the Altay tank was presented in May 2011 at the IDEF-2011 arms exhibition in Istanbul, in 2018 the development and testing process of the tank was completed, after which the start of its production was announced.

The tank weighs 60 tons, while it can reach speeds of up to 70 km / h. The vehicle is equipped with a reservation system from the Roketsan company, as well as active protection and fire control systems developed by Aselsan. In addition, Altay tanks will be equipped with radiation and chemical threat detection systems. The 120mm smoothbore cannon is a copy of the Rheinmetall development, a South Korean hydropneumatic suspension.

Comments

[svp67]

Turkish main battle tank Altay will go into production with a South Korean power plant

How UNEXPECTED then ... Ze cried quietly in Ukraine ... failed to foist Kharkiv 6TD. And it is alarming that the tank did not go, but "went"

[donavi49]

6TD still has a shortage of power. Losing 10% for such a heavy tank is to deprive it of all reserves and significantly cut off its mobility. There is also another problem, the uniqueness of 6TD, it is specific and that MTOs will carry emptiness, which is bad. And there, with the proprietary aggregate throwing of the block in 20 minutes and sending the tank into battle, everything will be bad. I am already silent about any resources, the complexity of the repair work, or rather the uniqueness, and the fact that the Turkish side already has for leopards is not at all suitable for 6TD, but for Dosan it is easy.

[Alex777]

Most likely, the Ukrainian diesel was needed by the Turks,
to better come to terms with the Koreans. And that's all.

[TermNachTer]

South. Korea is a "mattress six", a very unreliable supplier. Tomorrow the Washington Reich Chancellery will give the command "Stop" and you will have to look for another supplier)))

[Alex777]

Quote: TermNachTER

South. Korea is a "mattress six", a very unreliable supplier.

You shouldn't be like that. South Korea is the most independent in comparison with other tobaccos. The Turks will not find anything better.

[TermNachTer]

They are too dependent on the United States. They have a very serious neighbor, north of the 38th parallel, with a nuclear club. South Koreans have no chances one-on-one.

[Alex777]

Compare the population of S. Korea and South Korea.
The States did not allow the development of weapons.
And now the hegemon is no longer interested.

[TermNachTer]

North Koreans are hungry and South Koreans are hungry, so counting 1: 1 is not entirely correct. If mobilized, Kim will put everyone under arms - from 16 to 66 years old.

[Alex777]

I'm afraid to think what will happen if these Koreas unite.

[TANKISTONE]

Alex777 (Alexander)
I'm afraid to think what will happen if these Koreas unite.

What happened in Germany after the unification? Destroyed everything in the east, tk. did not correspond to Western GOSTs (competitors and production culture were removed). Now western (FRG) workers pay the eastern lands a "solidarity" tax. Pensions and wages are lower than in the lands west of the former GDR.

[Rome]

The Koreans roll their tanks on their engines, but with a German transmission, they cannot finish theirs. Where will the Turks get the transmission?

[Alex777]

Personally, I strongly doubt that we will soon see this "Altai" in the Turkish troops. If only a miracle happens.

[OgnennyiKotik]

In fact, the Turks have 2 options left: in the next couple of years Altai will begin to come to the troops or the purchase of 500 ~ 1000 Abrams. The condition of their tank forces is critical.

[Alex777]

Where can they get so many Abrams?
I therefore expect tomorrow
more victory at the football World Cup.

[OgnennyiKotik]

In the US, only ~ 3000 pieces are in storage, enough for the whole of Europe.
Wrong: ~ 4000 pieces.

[Alex777]

KMK production of Abrams was "optimized".
And those in storage require modernization.
How long it will take - no one knows.
And psheki got up in line earlier. Problem.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The correct word was chosen, optimized. With such a stock of hulls and turrets, their production is unnecessary. Everything else is done in full. The plant produces several dozen "modernized" Abrams per month. In the first stage, they have the US Army, they can establish production as in Egypt, then the production speed will increase.

[Alex777]

If Erdogan sends ambassadors, he will not see the tanks. We wait.

[OgnennyiKotik]

The politician says one thing, thinks another, does the third. While all this confusion is taking place, the military of the United States and Turkey are quietly practicing military coordination.

[Alex777]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The politician says one thing, thinks another, does the third.

Here he is .. Reindeer ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

The circus continues:

The embassies and ambassadors of all the remaining 10 countries followed the US example and declared their commitment to Article 41 of the Vienna Convention on Respect by Foreign Diplomats of the Laws of the Host State.

Earlier, Anadolu said that Erdogan welcomed the statements of the embassies about non-interference in Turkish affairs.

When Rejepovich retires, world news will become duller.
The Anglo-Saxon pumping of the Turks continues.

[Alex777]

Well, actually, as I said. East.
To scare - scares, to send - does not send.

[TermNachTer]

And whether the mattress covers of their "Abrams" will be sold to them is still a big question.

[TermNachTer]

Only Comrade Stalin was capable of miracles. But Erdogan is far from him)))

[Prisoner]

And Ukraine is apparently so independent, independent. That the Germans and Koreans all go under mattresses. Where can a proud Turk go?

[TermNachTer]

Ukraine is not a state at all, but a territory where everyone does whatever he wants, to the best of his ability and impudence.

[svp67]

Quote: donavi49

6TD still has a shortage of power.

Here I disagree, even in the years of my cadet youth, and this is in the mid-80s of the 20th century, this engine quite gave out 1500 hp, but from motor resources, this and that he had a BIG problem, because in order to put it on the T-80U and put it into production, the power had to be limited

Quote: donavi49

There is also another problem, the uniqueness of 6TD, it is specific and that MTOs will carry emptiness, which is bad

I'm afraid that the MTO will have to be completely redone, in the same place the specifics are not only in the engines themselves ...

Quote: donavi49

And there, with the proprietary aggregate throwing of the block in 20 minutes and sending the tank into battle, everything will be bad.

But this is not a fact, there is absolutely no problem at all to group 6TD into a quick-change unit with a transmission.

[knn54]

Sergey, do the Turks have any problems with the transmission?

[svp67]

Quote: knn54

Sergey, are there any problems with the transmission of the Turks?

I don’t know, they’re not Greece ...

[Alex777]

Quote: knn54

Sergey, do the Turks have any problems with the transmission?

Even Koreans have transmission problems.
Until recently, they bought German ones.
And the Turks have even more problems.

[Vlad Baryatinsky]

Quote: donavi49

6TD still has a shortage of power.

We forgot to mention the transmission.
The Koreans also had problems.

[Bad_gr]

If we recall the history of the appearance of this transmission on South Korean tanks, it turns out that the roots go from the German, which the Germans refused to supply to the Turks because of the embargo. The Koreans were able to put their engine there, but it did not work with a box, etc. Now there is a German one (though I don't remember whether it is made under a license or supplied from Germany).
Or am I wrong and the information is out of date?

[Alex777]

It seems that there was no news about the victory of the Koreans over the transmission.

[OgnennyiKotik]

In the photo of the article, a reinforced hull from Leopard 2A4 and a tower from Altai with KAZ. Altai itself looks like this:

[Bat]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Altai itself looks like this:

A very good tank will turn out. Still, Israel will get the Trophy, it will be super in general.

[OgnennyiKotik]

So the Turks did theirs. Even 2 options. In cooperation with Ukraine Pulat and which stands in Altai (I do not know the name), here it is very similar to the Israeli Iron Fist. Apparently they were inspired by him.

[Bat]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Apparently they were inspired by him.

It's impossible now without an active protection system.

[Bat]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

reinforced hull from Leopard 2A4

By the way, don't you think Altai looks like Leclair in some way? And it also seems to me that the progenitor of all the latest Western tanks from Abrams to Leclerc was borrowed from Leo.

[OgnennyiKotik]

There are 3 "schools" of tank building
"Western": Leopard, Abrams, Leclerc, K2, Type 10, Altai
Soviet
The Israeli
They all have their own characteristics. Tanks naturally built in the same "school" are similar. A person who is not fond of military equipment will not at all distinguish "Western" tanks from each other.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

In the photo of the article, a reinforced hull from Leopard 2A4 and a tower from Altai with KAZ

in the photo in the article there is a tank with a strange frontal splash. Looks like a plastic tadpole

[Rusticolus]

Looks like a plastic tadpole

And this is his body kit. How, the Turks and without show-off?

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Rusticolus

And this is his body kit. How, the Turks and without show-off?

yes ... i am still impressed with their taxi with vip upgrade.

[Dmitry Makarov]

"Altai" - it is with a hint of Altai, as the original Turkish lands.
This is tantamount if Russia calls its tank not "Armata", but "Alaska".

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

"Altai" - it is with a hint of Altai, as the original Turkish lands.

Fahrettin Altay (12 January 1880 - 25 October 1974) Battle of Dumlupinar

second from the right. They even have something similar with a tank.

[impostor]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

"Altai" - it is with a hint of Altai, as the original Turkish lands.
This is tantamount if Russia calls its tank not "Armata", but "Alaska".

No, this is with a hint of the Altai armored police, a nightmare of non-brothers.

[Bat]

Quote: Dmitry Makarov

"Altai" - it is with a hint of Altai, as the original Turkish lands.
This is tantamount if Russia calls its tank not "Armata", but "Alaska"

As a Turk, I will be very happy if you rename Armata to ALASKA. I will also congratulate and even say the super title was set and I am sure there will be a lot of people like me.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Yarasa

As a Turk, I will be very happy if you rename Armata to ALASKA.

no need. people over 40+ will be confused with a jacket

[Sergey Averchenkov]

I understand everything, but if God forbid war ... Where will Turkey get the engines? If only to show what a good tank we have? Well, this is sheer stupidity. And to hell with them, who are they to me? No one.

[OgnennyiKotik]

They have a very deplorable state of the tank fleet. Best of all, there are several hundred modernized Leopard 2A4 and M60Ts. Of course, it is easier to buy Abrams, in the USA there are 3000 more in storage, the Yankees will ship a thousand without problems. But the Turks want to develop their military-industrial complex, respectively, technology and science. They have their own engine and transmission on the way, but how long it will take until the series is unknown. The tank park is very outdated, against the background of Iran and a possible conflict, this is becoming critical. New tanks are needed, so they will be remotorized in the future, but for now they are doing with what they have. By the way, the Turks cooperate with South Korea in many areas of the military-industrial complex.

[Bat]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

By the way, the Turks cooperate with South Korea in many areas of the military-industrial complex.

right. Fyrtyna Sau is also from this row.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Sergey Averchenkov

if God forbid war ... Where will Turkey get the engines?

Turkey with South Korea?

[Wedmak]

Well, it will depend on who Turkey clashes with. If with the Russian Federation, the entire Western world will help with technology. Suddenly, the F-35 will be rushed, and the Abrams, and a dozen cruisers ...

[Mountain shooter]

So the actions of the sanctions affect ... the United States is introducing sanctions, because of which the money will not be received ... the Germans !!! And nothing.

[K150]

Funny. What? Have the Turks already made their own transmission? And the Koreans have stopped using Renk (Germans) on their cars?

[Tarasios]

the characteristics of the Korean engine are not specified, it's a pity

[Bat]

Quote: Tarasios

characteristics of the Korean engine are not specified

diesel engine Doosan Infracore DV27K (1500 hp) and automatic transmission S & T Dynamics EST15K South Korean design and production. 70 km / h on the highway and 50 km / h on rough terrain; acceleration to 32 km / h in 7 seconds; cruising range 450 km

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Yarasa

70 km / h on the highway and 50 km / h on rough terrain; acceleration to 32 km / h in 7 seconds; cruising range 450 km

this is already the characteristics of the engine

up to 1650 hp

[Castro Ruiz]

KP EST15K is not reliable and does not work well.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: CastroRuiz

KP EST15K is not reliable and does not work well.

can be.
I don’t have this block and it’s unlikely to be

[ZeeD]

Are the dynamic characteristics and engine consumption indicated without specifying the tank? What is it like? After all, they depend on the weight and volume of the tanks, including ...

[bovi]

https://topwar.ru/188315-proizvodstvo-i-problemy-osnovnoj-tank-k2-black-panther-juzhnaja-koreja.html
literally next to on the same site "Production and problems. The main tank K2" and ... guess what kind of engine and transmission there is and .. for some reason, for all these years, the transmission has not been able to bring reliability to the requirements of the army on a 55t carcass (not 60 like Altai).
Adding two and two, I can imagine that either they will buy a German transmission through the South Caucasus under the guise of a Korean one, or they were sold what they were supposed to sell. It would be great if the Turks had already paid the contract.

[impostor]

And why then all these perennial graters with unyielding Germans and wasted mountains of money? Cho didn't buy Black Panther right away?

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: impostor

And why then all these long-term graters with unyielding Germans and spent mountains of money?

did not expect the Germans to block.
and so they "rubbed" with many.
studied, with the support of Fiat, the possibility of developing a new 1600 hp engine. based on the Fiat / Iveco MTCA V12 diesel engine (25,8 liters) with a capacity of 1270 hp (950 kW) used in the Ariete tanks.
Iveco with a VECTOR-12 12-cylinder (V12) 1600 hp engine. -Life Upgrade (MLU) Italian Army Tanks Project C1 Ariete.VECTOR-12 will be based on the VECTOR-8 diesel engine, which is used in the B2 Centauro II 8x8 MGS (Mobile Gun System) wheeled fire support vehicles, and will be used in conjunction with the product Renk HSWL 295TM with automatic transmission (this is also part of the EuroPowerPack used in ALTAY tanks, which Germany has not exported for two years)

[CommanderDIVA]

Turkey's opponents on land are Iran, Syria and Armenia, in the latter two there is Russia, so this tank will be the main enemy of the Iranians, and the terrain conditions on the border between Turkey and Iran allow the use of armored vehicles, I would attend to the qualitative and quantitative strengthening of the means in place of the Persians VET

[ximkim]

What? The main thing is the start, and then they themselves will begin to make the engines.

[Oleg Khorin]

The Koreans installed a German transmission on their Black Panther tank; It is strange that she arranged for the Turks or they took her out of despair.

[bovi]

Hmm .. do we know everything about bmpd in LJ? There is an article dated October 19, 23:18 pm, where it is said about a) the change of the owner of the manufacturer of these carts in the year 21 b) the difficult (read over the edge *) financial situation c) the political background of the tank manufacturer.
* because inflation in Turkey, according to Khazin (based on his weekly analyzes of macroeconomic indicators of different countries). 40%

It looks like an oligarch with ties to the AKP dragged Qatar into a business that turned out to be hopeless (the lack of armor and a power plant somehow does not contribute to prospects). And the oligarch left. But it was one of the padishah's favorite donkeys, a tank, like, not an oligarch. And he must be rescued ... therefore, the Koreans signed the fact that the Koreans themselves did not fit in the Panther part because of the low reliability, which, in turn, is an indicator of the immaturity of the yuk company for such a task.

In total, the contract with the Koreans is a crutch to extend the contract for teaching the donkey to speak. Technically, this solution has already been tested by the Koreans on the lighter Panther and found to be unsuitable. Who can fill their eyes with this? KMK only to the townsfolk to reject the investigation of the AKP's lobbying actions in relation to BMC (contract manufacturer of Altai).

[Castro Ruiz]

There are no questions about the Doosan engine. He is staffed and good.
Renk gave the go-ahead for the resale of their KP to the Turks or will the Koreans supply their own, unreliable?

[K150]

He will not give the go-ahead. Sanctions

[turishev]

The Turks recently announced their tank engine ready for production - they could not - there is no high-tech of their own

[prohax]

You are wrong! The Turks are developing 3 tank engines. BMC BATU - BMC UTKU - BMC AZRA. The name of the company is BMC POWER. Engine tests are ongoing. This process takes some time. Hot test. Cold test. Certification procedures, etc.

[Basarev]

as well as active protection and fire control systems

Even the Turks are seriously planning KAZ ... And we, damn it, play with buckets and sheds.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Basarev

Even the Turks are seriously planning KAZ

They don't plan. They have already equipped the M60T with the KAZ system and these tanks are already fighting in Syria.

[rotfuks]

Probably the most observant ones noticed that the MTU MT883 engine of the German company MTU Friedrichshafen GmbH is the same engine that the Israelis install on their Merkava. Perhaps the Germans do not want to sell the engine to the Turks because of the pressure from the Israelis.

[Oleg Olkha]

Who knows ... The German Bundestag has enough of its supporters of the embargo against the Turks and without Merkel there may be even more of them. By the way, Elbit Systems and IMI Systems, part of the concern, sell their production of tank engines with transmissions - "Ashot Ashkelon Industries" in Ashkelon, as a non-core company. The new Israeli owner, of course. Here is the unit itself: https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/elbit-subsidiary-divests-ashot/

[prohax]

The Turks are developing 3 tank engines. BMC BATU - BMC UTKU - BMC AZRA. The name of the company is BMC POWER. Engine tests are ongoing. This process takes some time. Hot test. Cold test. Certification procedures, etc.

[alystan]

The signing of the document was confirmed by the Minister of Defense Procurement Program of South Korea (DAPA) Kang Eun Ho.

The first time I hear the name of the Minister of Defense Procurement of South Korea, but the Turk in the bottom photo is shaking, in my opinion, Ban Ki-moon - the former UN Secretary General. And I still remember him well.

[opposite28]

In the event of a complete absence of the power unit and drive for the Altay MBT, Turkish engineers should consider. PS Hands of the driver's mechanic when starting the MBT Altay unit.

[opposite28]

A version with a pedal drive is also offered, in case there is no fuel for the unit.