Scapa Flow attack

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Scapa Flow attack

В stories The Second World War, and in particular the war at sea, there are events and names of people who were simultaneously surrounded by both the aura of high military professionalism and mystery.

One of these striking events is the penetration of the German submarine U-47 under the command of Lieutenant-Commander Gunther Prien into the heart of the Royal Navy fleet Great Britain, its holy of holies is the Scapa Flow site, located in the north of Scotland, in the Orkney Islands. Easily bypassing booms, minefields and blockhouses, U-47 launched a torpedo attack on the ships stationed at that time, and just as easily returned to its base.




Blockhouses in Scapa Flow

The second element of this event was its close intertwining with a mysterious person who, myths and legends, is firmly tied to the attack in the harbor of Scapa Flow - the officer of the German military intelligence, which brought the German submarine to the British ships. This mysterious stranger has a lot of names - these are Alfred Ortel, and Alfred Wehring, and Albert Ertel ...


Scapa Flow Map

Let's start in order.

The idea of ​​the penetration of German submarines into the Scapa Flow harbor was in the air even in the First World War, and the British Royal Navy located there was a very, very tempting target for the Kaiser's submarines.

The British Admiralty chose this convenient in all respects natural harbor on the Orkney Islands for its anchorage, and earlier all attempts of German submariners to penetrate it to attack British ships ended in failure.

When World War II broke out, the German sailors returned to their old idea of ​​attacking the British fleet at its main base, Scapa Flow. The commander of the German submarine forces, Karl Doenitz, nevertheless believed that such an operation had a chance of success.

To collect preliminary information, the U-14 submarine was sent for reconnaissance to the Orkney Islands under the command of Chief Lieutenant Victor Erne, which obtained valuable data on sea currents, lighthouses and the defense system of the main British base, and Luftwaffe reconnaissance aircraft provided the German submarine headquarters with good aerial photographs of all obstacles in each of the harbor passages.

Having carefully studied them, Doenitz came to the conclusion that the defense system of the main station of the British Royal Navy was seriously flawed. If the main entrances to the harbor were protected by anti-submarine barriers and guarded by patrol ships, then the small straits, of which there were many, the British Admiralty did not pay due attention, hoping that the enemy submarine would not be able to pass through them.

This was a mistake.


Karl Doenitz

As Admiral Karl Doenitz writes in his memoirs "Ten Years and Twenty Days", published after the war, the operation to infiltrate the main parking lot of the Royal Navy was prepared in deep secrecy and with German thoroughness at the headquarters of the German submarine forces. a limited circle of naval specialists.

In addition to mines, booms and hulks, the main difficulties in the covert penetration of a submarine into Scapa Flow were unusual currents with a speed of about 10 miles per hour. And at the same time, the maximum speed of the submarine is no more than 7 miles per hour, and it is simply not able to withstand such a powerful current.

After carefully analyzing all these difficulties, Doenitz's operation against Scapa Flow seemed like a pure gamble, but, on reflection, he nevertheless decided that it was worth trying, and his choice fell on Lieutenant Commander Gunther Prien, commander of the U-47 submarine, who, in his opinion, he possessed all the personal and professional qualities necessary to carry out such a task.


Gunther Prin

The admiral gave the candidate for the operation all the materials he had collected and gave him the opportunity to decide in 48 hours whether he would undertake such a task or not. After reflection, Lieutenant Commander Prien accepted the offer and the next day reported to Doenitz about his readiness to complete this task.

The attack was scheduled for the night of October 13-14, a choice facilitated by the calm weather and the new moon. And the purpose of the operation was a torpedo attack on the ships, which, according to the German naval headquarters, were in the harbor, so it was decided that the submarine would only have torpedoes on board and not a single mine.

On the morning of October 8, 1939, in secrecy, U-47 left Keele and moved carefully towards the Orkney Islands. And on the morning of October 13, she approached the entrance to the Scapa Flow bay, where Lieutenant Commander Prien informed the crew of his main task. Going on such a responsible mission, Gunther Prien deliberately avoided any contact with the courts, even if they were tempting targets for attack.

Arriving at the entrance to the bay, Gunther Prien decided to wait until dark, and with the onset of dusk, overcoming the oncoming current and avoiding collisions with the fences, the boat crept unnoticed into Scapa Flow.

Upon entering the bay, Prien experienced the greatest disappointment - despite the information gathered by air reconnaissance, the anchorage was empty! All the main forces of the British fleet were at sea. It was only half an hour later that he managed to spot two ships: the battleship Royal Oak and the old aircraft carrier Pegasus, and from a distance of four thousand yards he fired four torpedoes. But one device did not work, and of the three torpedoes fired, only one exploded near the battleship.


Battleship "Royal Oak" ("Royal Oak")

After reloading the torpedo tubes, Prien launched a second attack, firing four more torpedoes at the Royal Oak, two of which exploded, detonating the artillery cellars. A deafening explosion sounded in the air, tearing a battleship with a displacement of 31 tons in two. Debris flew into the air, the attacked battleship capsized and sank in 200 minutes, killing the commander of the Second Battleship Division Rear Admiral Henry Blangrove and 23 sailors (of 832 people) - members of his crew.

Despite the commotion that arose after the torpedo attack in Scapa Flow, Prinu managed to slip out of the harbor just as unnoticed, going back the same way, and heading for Wilhelmshaven, where the submarine, accompanied by two destroyers, arrived three days later.

In Wilhelmshaven, she was already greeted by a jubilant crowd, a military band and Grand Admiral Raeder, who climbed aboard the boat and personally shook hands with all the sailors, presenting each of them with an Iron Cross of the II class.

After that, Prien and his crew flew to Berlin on Hitler's private planes, where they were all greeted as triumphants - all the streets on the way from the airfield to the Kaiserhof were crowded with a jubilant crowd shouting “we want Prien”, and he personally reported to the Führer about the course of the operation. Hitler received them in his Reich Chancellery and awarded Pryn with the Knight's Cross, and in the evening Goebbels received the sailors at the Winterganter Theater.

Captain Prien earned high praise even from the enemy for his bold actions.

So, Winston Churchill gave this event the following description:

"This episode, which can rightfully be regarded as the military feat of the commander of a German submarine, shocked public opinion."

And here is what Admiralty historian Stefan Roskilde says in his book War at Sea about the attack:

“It is now known that this action was carefully planned by Admiral Doenitz, who was correctly informed of the relatively weak state of the defense of the eastern passages. It is necessary to pay tribute to Lieutenant Commander Prin for the composure and determination with which he implemented Doenitz's plan. "

A mole in Scapa Flow?


After such a successful operation, Captain Prien's actions could not fail to attract the attention of the world press, which gave rise to many myths about his penetration into the parking lot in Scapa Flow.

One of these myths, still circulating today, is the parable of a German spy who infiltrated the Orkney Islands long before the outbreak of the war, who probably pointed the German submarine at the anchorage of the battleship Royal Oak.

This story was first published in the spring of 1942 in the American magazine The Saturday Evening Post by the famous journalist Kurt Riess. According to Riess, Scapa Flow's spy was Captain Alfred Wehring, a former officer in the German Kaiser's fleet.

After the end of the First World War, under the terms of the armistice, all German ships were concentrated in the Scapa Flow raid, where they were sunk by their crews. And one of the German officers, then still young, there was Alfred Wering, who, after the sinking of the ships, was on the verge of poverty, penniless. He was a military sailor whose only hobby was watches ...

After the end of the war, the German newspaper Deg Kurier published an article entitled "The Man Who Sank the Royal Oak" (Der Mann, der die Royal Oak versenkte), where it was argued that the hero of this operation was not Lieutenant Commander Prien at all, but the military - naval officer, hero of the Battle of Jutland, Alfred Wehring (aka Alfred Ortel and aka Albert Ertel), who, disguised as a watchmaker, settled on Orkney and closely watched all the movements of the British fleet.

According to this legend, Alfred Wehring (hereinafter we will call him by this name) first studied watchmaking in Switzerland, and in 1927 he arrived in Great Britain under a different name as a citizen of neutral Switzerland. Under this new name, he managed to open a watch workshop and a jewelry store in Kirkwall, the administrative center of the Orkney Islands.

As an excellent watchmaker, a modest and quiet man, Wehring managed to win the respect of the locals, who did not even suspect that in reality they were repairing their watches at the hero of the Battle of Jutland and a German spy. And, of course, a considerable part of his clientele were naval sailors, from whom he extracted useful information in the course of ordinary everyday conversations.

Creating the appearance of a loving and respectable son, Vehring sent a monthly letter to his "homeland" in Switzerland to his old father, who lived in Zurich. In reality, the letters of this "loving and respectable son" were very carefully studied at the headquarters of the German naval intelligence.

In these letters "to his aged father," Alfred Wehring described in detail the state of the British fleet and the entire coastal defense of the harbor. At the same time, the "Swiss" was collecting data on the fleet base in Scapa Flow, and just before the start of the war, he learned about the existing "hole" in its defense - the presence of a passage in its eastern part. Vehring managed to send a message using a radio transmitter, which was received by the naval attaché in The Hague, and as a result, a submarine under the command of Lieutenant Commander Gunther Prien was sent to the Orkney Islands.

And here is what the former intelligence chief Walter Schellenberg writes about this in his memoirs:

“And at the beginning of October 1939, he reported that the eastern passage to Scapa Flow through Kirkesund was not blocked by an anti-submarine net, and all the obstacles consisted of several sunken barges. With this information, Admiral Doenitz ordered Captain Prin to attack any warship in Scapa Flow. The half-hour torpedo attack took 12 years of careful preparation. "

And now - in response to the pre-agreed light signals, an inflatable boat, launched from U-47, approached the shore, into which a "modest and quiet watchmaker" sat down with a roll of maps under his arm.

The German spy masterfully guided the boat through all the obstacles he knew and brought it to Scapa Flow harbor, where the entire British fleet was located. As mentioned above, almost the entire British fleet left the bay, and two ships were parked - the battleship Royal Oak and the much outdated aircraft carrier Pegasus.

The target of the torpedo attack was the battleship "Royal Oak" and the aircraft carrier "Pegasus", which was the last in the line of ships, which was hated by Vehring since the time of the Battle of Jutland. The submarine made two torpedo attacks, after which she left Scapa Flow, taking the German scout to Germany. And the next morning, Wehring's watch shop did not open, his house was found empty, and his abandoned car was found on the road ...

Arriving home in Germany, Alfred Vehring met with Admiral Canaris and, having reported to him about the completion of the assignment, disappeared. And where exactly he disappeared, nobody knows ...

Aftermath


1. Immediately after these events, the British Admiralty strictly ordered all its Scapa Flow naval personnel to avoid the press in every possible way and not to answer any questions.

2. One of the results of this attack was the disbelief of the British Admiralty in the safety of its main naval base.

3. Prine's torpedo attack became a real advertisement for German submariners, and the success of the operation made them heroes in the eyes of the whole of Germany.

4. The German submarine forces received the green light for their further development, which their commander Doenitz previously could only dream of.

5. The commandant of the islands, Admiral Wilfred French, was removed from his post.

Help


1. U-47 - German submarine, laid down on February 25, 1937 at the shipyard in Kiel. Launched on October 29, 1938. From the very moment the submarine was put into operation, its commander was Lieutenant Commander Gunther Prien. Crew - 45 people.

The crew of the boat destroyed 30 enemy ships with a total displacement of 162 gross register tons and the British battleship "Royal Oak" (displacement of 769 tons), and also damaged 29 more ships with a displacement of 150 tons.

In 1941, the boat did not return to base. The circumstances of her death are still unknown.

2. U-14 - small submarine, laid down on June 6, 1935 at the shipyard in Kiel. Launched on December 28, 1935. The commander is Chief Lieutenant Victor Ern. Crew of 25 people.

3. Gunther Prin - U-47 commander, the most productive submariner, holder of the Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves. He disappeared without a trace with the crew after the attack on the convoy.

4. Scapa Flow - harbor in the Orkney Islands, the main anchorage of the British fleet. In 1956, the Scapa Flow car park was closed.

Scuba divers are not allowed to access the remains of the battleship Royal Oak - they are among the underwater mass graves protected by British law.
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  1. +2
    25 October 2021 05: 17
    Effects....
    4. The German submarine forces received the green light for their further development, which their commander Doenitz previously could only dream of.

    This breakthrough could have been considered to have cost almost no "consequences" for the USSR, but the construction of hundreds of submarines did not allow the Germans to build many thousands, if not tens of thousands of tanks, so it seems to me that Prien played for the good of Soviet Russia.
    1. +16
      25 October 2021 06: 12
      the construction of hundreds of submarines did not allow the Germans to build many thousands, or even tens of thousands of tanks

      Probably not. The boats were built by freezing the construction of heavy surface ships and were a priority along with tanks ...
      1. +2
        25 October 2021 06: 28
        Quote: Xlor
        Probably not. The boats were built by freezing the construction of heavy surface ships ...
        This would have been true until 1942, but later it certainly won't. Resources could well have been transferred to the construction of tanks, but after 1943 it was just needed. But it did not reach the Germans, and very well.
        1. +4
          25 October 2021 09: 51
          The German spy masterfully guided the boat through all the obstacles he knew and brought it to the harbor of Scapa Flow, where the entire British fleet was located.

          So who is he by profession? Spy watchmaker or submarine commander? Or an acting pilot?
          The version about the pilot-watchmaker was invented to belittle the achievement of Doenitz and Prin. Well, at the same time, at least somehow cover up the shame in the defense of the main base of Royal Navy.
          1. +6
            25 October 2021 09: 53
            Quote: Civil
            Spy watchmaker or submarine commander? Or an acting pilot?
            The version about the pilot-watchmaker was invented to belittle the achievement of Doenitz and Prin. Well, at the same time, at least somehow cover up the shame in the defense of the main base of Royal Navy.

            Yes, the British will begin to dig their own citizen into a quiet place to cover the failure / shame.
          2. +2
            25 October 2021 10: 59
            So who is he by profession? Spy watchmaker or submarine commander?

            In this case, a pilot who, having maps with installed obstacles, led the boat to the target
            1. -1
              25 October 2021 11: 18
              Quote: Xlor
              So who is he by profession? Spy watchmaker or submarine commander?

              In this case, a pilot who, having maps with installed obstacles, led the boat to the target

              Well, it is clear that not Katzman, but where does a long-term watchmaker come from, such a deep experience and knowledge in navigation?
            2. +1
              26 October 2021 20: 26
              Borodin
              The story of a mysterious agent is a beautiful legend, myth. And invented, for sure, by the British to justify the shameful failure.

              The article would be very beneficial if you provided the diagram of the movement of Prin's boat, because it is on the Runet. Or because they did not bring it there no taking on board a spy pilot? smile

              But still, the article is interesting, thanks for it.
              1. +1
                26 October 2021 20: 44
                The article would be very beneficial if you also brought the boat movement diagram

                There is a scheme for the movement of the boat on the Internet, but, in my opinion, it is as "muddy" as the presence of a spy ... Thank you for your interest in the article!
                1. +1
                  26 October 2021 21: 06
                  Quote: Xlor
                  There is a scheme for the movement of the boat on the Internet, but, in my opinion, it is as "muddy" as the presence of a spy ...

                  I really do not agree! Unlike the spy, it is clear! smile
        2. +1
          26 October 2021 08: 05
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          This would have been true until 1942, but later it certainly won't. Resources could well be transferred to the construction of tanks, and after 1943

          Do you think that the increase in the production of tanks was hampered only by the lack of resources, in particular metal?
          1. 0
            26 October 2021 08: 08
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Do you think that the increase in the production of tanks was hampered only by the lack of resources, in particular metal?

            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            I have not heard that the reason for the limitation of the production of tanks from the Germans was a shortage of metal.
            Skilled workers and machine tool park, plus crews.

            Well, below is expanded, if interested.
        3. 0
          12 December 2021 16: 30
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: Xlor
          Probably not. The boats were built by freezing the construction of heavy surface ships ...
          This would have been true until 1942, but later it certainly won't. Resources could well have been transferred to the construction of tanks, but after 1943 it was just needed. But it did not reach the Germans, and very well.

          But did the Germans need thousands of tanks? Considering that they built less and lost less.
          1. -1
            12 December 2021 17: 01
            Quote: Pilat2009
            Considering that they built less and lost less.

            If you knew how the Germans tried to simplify their Fours (tanks), you would not ask such a question.
            1. 0
              13 December 2021 07: 48
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Quote: Pilat2009
              Considering that they built less and lost less.

              If you knew how the Germans tried to simplify their Fours (tanks), you would not ask such a question.

              Simplified everything, except the Americans, perhaps these are used to fighting comfortably.
              1. -1
                13 December 2021 08: 05
                Quote: Pilat2009
                Simplified everything, except the Americans, perhaps these are used to fighting comfortably.
                Really? The lack of an electric turret rotation is a decrease in comfort is it? Nemchura rotated the tower at the PZ-4 with handles at the end of the war.
      2. +2
        25 October 2021 07: 39
        The resource is not infinite, the first 100 (old, experienced) crews were drowned and everything sailed. The commander must know not only his submarine thoroughly, but also the area where he will operate. Knowledge with each drowned commander was lost. But these hundred, launched the construction of submarines in Germany at full power, the flywheel spun and it was already unstoppable. The photo of the wonderwork after May 1945 was confirmed.
        1. 0
          25 October 2021 08: 13
          Quote: tralflot1832
          But these hundred, launched the construction of submarines in Germany at full capacity, the flywheel spun and it could not be stopped.

          Surely unstoppable? Flywheel for the implementation of the plan "Z" "4 aircraft carriers 10 battleships, etc." somehow they stopped and nothing, but by 1943, well, 1944, the failure of the German submarine forces was quite clear.
        2. +9
          25 October 2021 09: 03
          Quote: tralflot1832

          The resource is not infinite, the first 100 (old, experienced) crews were drowned and everything sailed.

          According to Herbert Werner, in June 1944 there were 68 units in the Atlantic, and at the end of the war there were only three one of them is U-953 under his command. Read his memoir "Steel Coffins". I don't have a very good attitude towards the Germans, but I respect him.
          842 German submarines took part in the hostilities, of which 781 were sunk.
          1. +3
            25 October 2021 09: 37
            "Steel coffins" read. Wherever the Germans were not drowned, the entire Atlantic with German steel coffins is strewn and not only she. A map with numbers of submarines lying on the bottom came across. With approximate areas of death.
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      1. +2
        25 October 2021 06: 33
        Quote: mr.ZinGer
        I have not heard that the reason for the limitation of the production of tanks from the Germans was a shortage of metal.
        Skilled workers and machine tool park, plus crews.
    3. -6
      25 October 2021 08: 04
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      One could consider this breakthrough to have cost almost no "consequences" for the USSR, but the construction of hundreds of submarines did not allow the Germans to build many thousands, or even tens of thousands of tanks.

      Bends of patriotic logic will surely find an owl and a globe. laughing
      The director of the Krupp shipyard in Kiel says at the planning meeting:
      Meine herren! Prien did not break through in Scapa Flow, submarines were recognized as futile weapons. From tomorrow, the shipyard switches to the production of tanks and backpacks for the Wehrmacht. No indulgences to Soviet Russia! Wegtreten!
      1. +1
        25 October 2021 08: 05
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        Bends of patriotic logic will surely find an owl and a globe.

        You put a globe on the owl's head, are you satisfied?
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        From tomorrow, the shipyard switches to the production of tanks and knapsacks for the Wehrmacht
        1. -3
          25 October 2021 09: 30
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          You put a globe on the owl's head, are you satisfied?

          No, dear - "more boats - fewer tanks, fewer boats - more tanks" - this is your owl. laughing
          1. +2
            25 October 2021 09: 50
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            No, dear - "more boats - fewer tanks, fewer boats - more tanks" - this is your owl.

            Yes Yes. I made it all up. This could not be in nature.
            Defense on July 1, 1941, the Krasnoye Sormovo plant was ordered to immediately organize the production of T-34 medium tanks and ammunition. Suspending the construction of ships and submarines .... In March 1945, the plant produced 10000 tanks

            The Krasnoarmeiskaya shipyard specialized in civilian ships, but by the end of the 30s there were plans to load it with military orders. In 1940, it was reorganized into plant number 264 of the People's Commissariat of the Shipbuilding Industry ... .... On December 8, the first five T-60s left the plant on their own, leaving for the 21st and 22nd reserve training tank regiments. In total, 1941 vehicles were delivered in Krasnoarmeisk in December 45. Plant No. 264 became the second enterprise, after the Gorky Automobile Plant, to launch the small tank much needed by the army into a large series.

            In short: "At Hitler's headquarters, everyone is bad."
            1. -1
              25 October 2021 10: 54
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              In short: "At Hitler's headquarters, everything is malacholny"

              What does Hitler's rate have to do with Krasnoye Sormovo?
              Yes, and Blom-i-Foss, after the sinking of Bismarck, apparently also had to completely switch to airplanes. Just think - out of 180 built in Hamburg 140 "sevens" drowned for one reason or another. This is almost 80%! What a waste of metal and resources. And they could release tanks.
              1. +1
                25 October 2021 11: 05
                Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                What does Hitler's rate have to do with Krasnoye Sormovo?

                More than your statement to reality
                :
                Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                No, dear - "more boats - less tanks, less boats - more tanks" - this is your owl

                In reality, this is not an owl, but a working recipe turned out to be.

                Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                Just think - out of 180 built in Hamburg 140 "sevens" drowned for one reason or another. This is almost 80%! What a waste of metal and resources.
                But this is already a typical owl and a globe. Because we must remember not the boats that were sunk, but the ships they sunk. And after 1943, the ratio became approximately 1 to 1. And this was during the retreat on the main front - the Soviet-German.
                Those. after 1943, the increase in boat production became meaningless. And very good!
      2. 0
        25 October 2021 09: 59
        "Prien did not break in Scapa Flow, submarines are considered a futile weapon."
        In this case: Karl Doenitz fooled the beloved Fuhrer?
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  3. +6
    25 October 2021 05: 43
    a halo of high military professionalism and secrecy.
    More professionalism ... And everything else is fog.
    1. +5
      25 October 2021 06: 04
      More professionalism ... and everything else is fog

      Professionalism usually rests on what you call "fog". And "fog" is information obtained from various sources, including the secret service. And the secret services keep their sources for many tens, or even hundreds of years ...
      1. +2
        25 October 2021 06: 16
        Quote: Xlor
        and mystery.

        I'm talking about this fog ... hi
  4. +8
    25 October 2021 05: 56
    Arriving home in Germany, Alfred Vehring met with Admiral Canaris and, having reported to him about the completion of the assignment, disappeared. And where exactly he disappeared, nobody knows ...

    About 30 years ago I worked for Lerwick and became interested in these events.
    I asked the local sailors, and one master gave a book to read, if I am not mistaken, "The Watchmaker ..." According to the author's version, after Prien received all the laurels, he left for Switzerland, and then disappeared. It is clear that the shaves will not leave him alone.
    1. +10
      25 October 2021 06: 09
      Prien received all the laurels

      Well, Prien deservedly received these laurels - the most productive submariner. It is not in a concentration camp prisoners to snap in the teeth and not to hunt civilians ....
      1. +8
        25 October 2021 09: 18
        Quote: Xlor
        Well, Prien deservedly received these laurels - the most productive submariner. It is not in a concentration camp prisoners to snap in the teeth and not to hunt civilians ....

        Thank you for writing an article on submarine warfare. Write more, you are good at it. Please accept my approval and respect.
      2. +4
        25 October 2021 16: 20
        In his book, Harold Bush, himself a direct participant in all these events, does not mention a word about any watchmaker.

        The book describes the actions of the submarines of the Hitlerite Navy during the Second World War. It is based on the memoirs of the author who served in the submarine fleet of Nazi Germany, as well as operational documents, diaries of submarine officers, extracts from submarine logbooks, etc. The author, according to his own statement, by artistic means tried to "reproduce the conditions", in which German submarines operated during the war on vast sea spaces, as well as "generalize the experience" accumulated by Hitler's submariners during the war. The book tells about the history of the creation of the German submarine fleet, its development, weapons and equipment. The chapters of this work of a peculiar form are extremely saturated with episodes of military operations, which make the book interesting for a wide range of readers.
      3. +2
        25 October 2021 16: 53
        Quote: Xlor
        Well, Prien deservedly received these laurels - the most productive submariner.

        Well, let's say, not "the most", but "one of". Before October 14, 1939 he sank 3 steamers on 8 thousand BRT. And here is the modest Kaloy Herbert Schulze (U-48) - 6 steamers on 41 thousand... BRT. So - Prien has a solid second place. The third - Shepke with two vessels. This, I repeat, in the period from September 3 to October 14, 1939.
        And in the overall ranking of experts Prien ninth.
      4. +1
        25 October 2021 18: 35
        Quote: Xlor
        Well, Prien deservedly received these laurels - the most productive submariner.

        Kretschmer? Lute? Topp? No, have not heard.

        Prien was only 9th.
    2. +3
      25 October 2021 07: 06
      Good morning, Lerwick immediately deprives you of sleep!
      1. +12
        25 October 2021 08: 59
        Well Prien deservedly received these laurels
        And here is a very competent opinion about Prina of one of the Russian historians of the submarine war of 1939-1945 A. Drozhzhin from his work "Aces and Propaganda":
        “… An irrefutable fact remains: the submarine ace“ Kriegsmarine ”No. 3, the famous“ hero of Scapa-Flow, only in 4% of his attacks on enemy ships experienced opposition from anti-submarine forces. At the same time, there was never any pursuit by aircraft from the enemy. There was also no long-term pursuit of either a single PLO ship or a group of ships with a large number of depth charges dropped. Of course, G. Prien, the first to become famous throughout Germany as the best underwater ace after her magnificent attack in Scapa Flow, had to, as they say, “match”. And he matched. However, it should be noted that he, like most other German submarine commanders who became famous at the beginning of the war, almost never was subjected to such a harsh influence of enemy anti-aircraft defense forces, as those who fought in the second half of the war. Attacks on a lonely sailing ship of large dimensions (besides, sailing, as a rule, at low speed) do not require special commanding skills. And attacks on convoy ships in the first half of the war were facilitated by the fact that convoys leaving England to destinations in the Western Hemisphere were escorted by security forces only part of the way - several hundred miles from the coast (guarded by ships and aircraft from coastal bases). The same applies to convoys from the Western Hemisphere. That is, in the central part of their routes (and this is a large part of the route), the ships of the convoys remained defenseless. Here they fell under the blows of "packs of wolves" or single ocean boats, prowling in search of prey. If such aces as Kretschmer and Prien practically did not go to the central part of the Atlantic, then ace No. 2 - Wolfgang Lut - found his victims there. Therefore, I believe that Prien fully deserved his title of underwater ace, but not for the sunk ships, but precisely for his unprecedented breakthrough into the Scapa Flow naval base. From the point of view of the impact on the operational and strategic situation in the “Battle of the Atlantic”, the breakthrough into the main base and the sinking of two warships is not so significant, but from the point of view of moral action on the spirit of the English and German population, their significance is undeniable. From this point of view, I would put Gunther Prien in the list of the best commanders of German submarines at number 1. "
        1. +8
          25 October 2021 09: 07
          Only a "crazy" commander can enter the fiefdom of the Anglican Fleet, guided only by the overscope or to the edge from the wheelhouse in the surface position. This is not a commander, but just some kind of "beast" who felt danger with his own skin. But now he lies at the bottom, with with all its eternal carriage.
          1. +12
            25 October 2021 09: 16
            The commander is really good, the German submariners did not know such glory before. Gunther Prin was declared a national hero and became the first Knight's Cross among submarine commanders.
            It was not in vain that Doenitz loved him so much and even suggested that Prine accept a submarine training unit, but he decided to stay on his boat.
            1. +4
              25 October 2021 09: 23
              It's good that he went to the bottom earlier, but if he had entered the Kola Bay at the most inopportune moment? What would have happened? It's even hard to imagine.
            2. +3
              25 October 2021 15: 30
              , German submariners did not know such glory before.

              Why didn't they know? In the First World War there were Lothar von Arnaud de la Perrier and Max Valentiner, this is so, offhand, the first names that came to mind, but their fame thundered not only in Germany.
        2. +2
          25 October 2021 18: 36
          Quote: Crowe
          A. Drozhzhin from his work "Ases and Propaganda":

          Do not read Soviet newspapers until lunchtime ... (c)
          1. 0
            13 December 2021 09: 50
            Quote: Macsen_Wledig
            Quote: Crowe
            A. Drozhzhin from his work "Ases and Propaganda":

            Do not read Soviet newspapers until lunchtime ... (c)

            Soviet newspapers, yes. According to them Lunin is almost Prien. But nevertheless, the beginning of the war and the end are two big differences.
      2. +1
        25 October 2021 09: 11
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Good morning, Lerwick immediately deprives you of sleep!

        A similar thought comes!
        1. +1
          25 October 2021 09: 24
          We were young and beautiful then! drinks
          1. +1
            25 October 2021 10: 45
            Quote: tralflot1832
            We were young and beautiful then!

            There was a case where my seventeen years old, on a large coach.
            1. +1
              25 October 2021 10: 49
              Cozy little town! Although the weather is disgusting.
            2. +1
              25 October 2021 11: 24
              Quote: tihonmarine
              There was a case where my seventeen years old, on a large coach.

              In one season I put three 7 ton anchors, one on the Southern roadstead (where the Pionersk and Lunokhod-1 lie) and two on the Northern roadstead (where the Kaliningrad field lies).
    3. +2
      25 October 2021 10: 39
      "then disappeared" given his high professionalism, Wehring could adjust to secure his future
      1. +2
        25 October 2021 11: 33
        Quote: vladcub
        then disappeared "given his high professionalism, Wehring could adjust to ensure his future

        Well, if he lived in Britain for more than 10 years, and no one suspected him, then such people know how to "sweep their tails." I also think that by 1945 he was already living somewhere in Argentina.
        1. +3
          25 October 2021 13: 35
          Quite possibly, there: "every creature in a pair" (c).
          He could also "sniff" with amers, he could well have "interesting information"
  5. +2
    25 October 2021 06: 11
    Schellenberg's memoir, you can trust 50-50
    1. +8
      25 October 2021 06: 16
      Schellenberg's memoir, you can trust 50-50

      They are written according to the rules of absolutely any memoir - "There are only muddies around ... ki, I alone - d'Artagnan. But the general atmosphere, in any case, can be understood ...
      1. +7
        25 October 2021 09: 14
        Quote: Xlor
        Schellenberg's memoir, you can trust 50-50

        They are written according to the rules of absolutely any memoir - "There are only muds around ... ki, I alone - d'Artagnan.

        You can only believe those submariners who have experienced all the horrors of submarine warfare.
      2. +2
        25 October 2021 14: 09
        Quote: Xlor
        They are written according to the rules of absolutely any memoir - "There are only muddies around ... ki, I alone - d'Artagnan. But the general atmosphere, in any case, can be understood ...

        Especially when you read the memoirs of Hitler's generals, then all the knights.
        I barely finished reading the memoirs of Field Marshal Kesselring, so he presented himself as d'Artagnan, well, indeed, an angel.
        1. +5
          25 October 2021 14: 44
          Especially when you read the memoirs of Hitler's generals, then all the knights

          Not only generals. Politicians, artists, athletes, etc. - all the d'Artagnans and all in white tailcoats ... And all around mud ... ki ... wink
          1. +2
            25 October 2021 16: 08
            Quote: Xlor
            Not only generals. Politicians, artists, athletes, etc. - all the d'Artagnans and all in white tailcoats ...

            I understand that all these dummies in white dress coats and a low soul, but for the generals, though beaten, it is somehow not solid to stoop to the level of politicians, they were after all a "caste". If you are beaten, take a hit and be a man and a general.
            But reading Gottlab Biedermann, the commander of the anti-tank crew, Dietrich von Choltitz of the company commander who fought near Sevastopol, these people wrote what they experienced, what they saw, did not flaunt themselves and did not show themselves as angels.
  6. +8
    25 October 2021 06: 34
    A very long time ago there was an article on this topic in the journal "Technology of Youth", under the heading analogy of mysterious cases, a similar version was voiced there.
  7. +3
    25 October 2021 06: 44
    Already the language hurts to constantly remind that the names of the ships are NOT TRANSLATED, but written and read in any language in the transcription of the original. Yes It's a pity the minuses can't be set - just for one "Royal Oak" I would have soldered request
    1. +3
      25 October 2021 07: 00
      that the names of the ships are NOT TRANSLATED, but written and read in any language in the transcription of the original

      Translate into Russian the name "Royal Oak" in the transcription of the original? And try to write it in Cyrillic. By the way, it would not hurt you to learn spelling, it hurts your eyes to read ...
      1. +3
        25 October 2021 07: 11
        Let me remind you once again that the names of the ships are not translated. It is so accepted. You mentioned it yourself about the Germans
        the German newspaper Deg Kurier published an article entitled "The Man Who Sank the Royal Oak" (Der Mann, der die Royal Oak versenkte)

        and now teach me. The Germans did not write in their translation, but they wrote it correctly. Any Englishman will not write and read the "Shark" class, but the "Akula" class. This is an example of the nuclear submarine pr 941. Now I am already convinced of the minus for you Yes
        For fixing. This is for the Englishman the battleship "Royal Oak", and for us the battleship is called "Royal Oak". Any translator and compiler of reference books will tell you. Sit down, two
      2. +3
        25 October 2021 07: 51
        Quote: Xlor
        Translate into Russian the name "Royal Oak" in the transcription of the original?

        What do you dislike about Royal Oak? And why then Pegasus and not Pegasus?
        the German newspaper Deg Kurier published an article entitled "The Man Who Sank the Royal Oak" (Der Mann, der die Royal Oak versenkte)

        Then already "in a German newspaper Courier..... (Der Mann, der die Konigseiche versenkte) ". Translated into German at the same time.
        Why would these attempts look original?
  8. +5
    25 October 2021 07: 13
    In 1941, the boat did not return to base. The circumstances of her death are still unknown.

    The Germans did not rest on their laurels for long: there were even more professionals for professionals
    1. +12
      25 October 2021 08: 48
      A few days later, two more famous German submarine aces left the Battle of the Atlantic arena: Joachim Schepke's U-100 died along with its commander and most of the crew.
      Otto Kretschmer's U-99 was also sunk, but the commander and most of the crew were picked up by the British and taken prisoner.
      For the leadership of the Third Reich, the loss of three experienced and well-known submariners at once was a heavy blow, and the Minister of Propaganda Goebbels proposed to silence the loss of the boats of three submarine aces.
      All three commanders were very famous in Germany, and he was well aware of the effect such a message could have.
      But this was also perfectly understood by the "Tommy" on the other side of the English Channel, who immediately launched a counterattack on this front of the ideological war. Leaflets with the following content were dropped over German territory:
      “Schepke, Kretschmer, Prien.
      What happened to these three officers, the most famous German submarine commanders, and the only ones to whom Hitler awarded the Oak Leaves to the Knight's Cross?
      Shepke is dead. Kretschmer is in captivity. The German High Command must acknowledge this.
      And Prien? Who heard anything about Priena not long ago? What should the German high command have to say about Prien?
      Where is Prien? "
      The other side of the leaflet with a photograph of Kretschmer in British captivity reads:
      "They went out to sea against England ... They did not return home."
      1. +4
        25 October 2021 12: 49
        Quote: Crowe
        They went out to sea against England ... They did not return home

        The quiet Otto returned home from Bowmanville in December 1947. And in 1955 he returned to the Bundesmarine. And he left in the 70th admiral. He died at 86.
        But Shepke and Prien died at sea, yes. They are now on an eternal march.
        Have you been to Labeu?
  9. +6
    25 October 2021 07: 23
    To collect preliminary information, a submarine U-14 under the command of Chief Lieutenant Victor Ern was sent to the Orkney Islands for reconnaissance.

    Submarine U-14 was not sent for reconnaissance to the Orkney Islands; U-16 was sent under the command of Lieutenant Commander Hannes Weingartner.
    Victor Ern commanded U-14 until October 1937. At the time of the events described, he served with the rank of lieutenant commander at the headquarters of Doenitz.
    1. +7
      25 October 2021 08: 09
      Submarine U-14 was not sent to the Orkney Islands for reconnaissance, U-16 was sent under the command of Lieutenant Commander Hannes Weingartner

      According to Wikipedia, U-14 went out to patrol the Orkney Islands, and with its captain, Victor Ern, I was wrong. Didn't check ...
      1. +1
        25 October 2021 08: 23
        Wikipedia is not a serious source to refer to, although the English-language wikipedia speaks of U-16.
    2. +5
      25 October 2021 09: 25
      Quote: Undecim
      Submarine U-14 was not sent to explore the Orkney Islands

      In the third patrol (13.09-29.09) U-14 (Kaloy Horst Welner) went to Orkney.

      U-16, in the three patrols preceding Prina's raid, did not appear to even approach them.
      1. +7
        25 October 2021 10: 56
        Yes, now I have specified according to German sources, they point to U-14, including the "Chronik des Seekrieges 1939-1945".
        So the claims about the boat are removed, here I was wrong, the author was mistaken only with the commander.
        By the way, while digging through the sources, I found Sievert mentioning that after U-14, U-18 was sent to clarify the results.
        1. +3
          25 October 2021 11: 21
          Quote: Undecim
          By the way, while digging through the sources, I found Sievert mentioning that after U-14, U-18 was sent to clarify the results.

          From the 3rd flotilla, it seems that U-20 (kaloy Möle) at the same time (29.09-17.10) went on a patrol to Orkney. In my opinion, Moele came closest to Scapa. Obviously a reconnaissance officer)
    3. +2
      25 October 2021 10: 53
      Vic. Nick, you inserted the hairpin as usual
      1. +6
        25 October 2021 10: 59
        This is not a question of stilettos. By the way, I was wrong, the author is right about the boat, I wrote in the comment above.
        1. +4
          25 October 2021 13: 05
          Vic. Nick, you +: admitting your mistake. Not everyone can do it
  10. Eug
    +8
    25 October 2021 07: 46
    I like Doenitz's approach - he provided the chosen officer with all the materials and the right to make his own decision ...
    1. +8
      25 October 2021 07: 58
      I like the approach of Denitz - he provided the chosen officer with all the materials and the right to make his own decision

      It was not for nothing that submariners loved him. Papa-Doenitz ... wink
      1. +8
        25 October 2021 08: 38
        In his post-war memoirs (Dönitz, K. Zehn Jahre und zwanzig Tage. Erinnerungen 1935-1945. - Bonn: Athenaeum-Verlag, 1958.) Denitz wrote:
        On September 11, 1939, I received additional information in the form of aerial photography data. From these it became clear that light and heavy warships were located in Scapa, in the area north of the Fleet, and in the strait between Sweet and Riesa. In addition to this, I received from U-16 commander Lieutenant Commander Welner, who returned from a campaign to the Orkney Islands, a very informative report regarding patrolling, lighting and prevailing currents. The obtained aerial photographs and detailed study of the bay gave a real chance of success. and Doenitz decided to use it. It remains to choose who can do it.
        My choice fell on Lieutenant Commander Prien, commander of U-47. He, in my opinion, possessed all the personal and professional qualities necessary for success. I handed over to Prine all the materials I had collected and gave him the right to decide whether he would undertake this task or not.
        As Prien himself wrote:
        “I felt a tremendous tension inside me. Can you pull it out? My common sense is crumbling and questioning the odds, but that's it, I've already decided that I can be attracted. At home, dinner was already on the table. I absentmindedly greeted my wife and child, my thoughts were obsessed with one idea - Scapa flow. "
        (Prien, Mein Weg nach Skapa-Flow)
        1. +9
          25 October 2021 08: 42
          Dönitz received him at exactly 14.00:XNUMX. He stood at his desk.
          - Yes or no? He asked immediately, frowning slightly.
          “Yes, Master Commodore,” Prien replied without hesitation. He stood at attention, his left hand clutching a roll of cards and an envelope.
          A smile crossed Dönitz's lips. He put his palms on the table and, leaning forward, continued.
          - Have you thought about the fate of von Hoenning, Hansen and Emsmann? Did you fully appreciate the difficulties and dangers of this mission?
          “Yes, Commodore, I am fully aware of the risk, but I think we have a good chance of success.
          - Great, Prien. If you manage to get into Scapa Flow, attack only large ships.
          If interested, I dare to recommend: A. Karganov. "The mystery of Scapa Flow. Raid of a German submarine in the holy of holies of the British fleet"
          1. +7
            25 October 2021 11: 06
            A. Karganov. "The mystery of Scapa Flow. Raid of a German submarine in the holy of holies of the British fleet"

            I read - a lot of "water". However, as in this whole story ...
            1. +9
              25 October 2021 14: 29
              there is a lot of "water".
              So, of course, this is not a concentration of facts, documentary narrations from top officials, figures, etc., but fiction. I also like it for the syllable - not abstruse and tedious, but interesting and quite fascinating ... And with regards to Karganov, I was not too lazy and photographed
        2. +1
          25 October 2021 08: 59
          Quote: Crowe
          As Prien himself wrote:
          “I felt a tremendous tension inside me. Can you pull it out? My common sense is crumbling and questioning the odds, but that's it, I've already decided that I can be attracted. At home, dinner was already on the table. I absentmindedly greeted my wife and child, my thoughts were obsessed with one idea - Scapa flow. "

          Damn, where did you dig up such a clumsy translation? Well, the blood from the eyes, by God ... negative
          1. +7
            25 October 2021 14: 36
            I agree, knowledge in German leaves much to be desired, and literary translation was simply too lazy to look for. By the way, I have not been to Labeu, this is the territory of a potential enemy and damned warmongers of war, predatory imperialists with bloody hands up to the elbows - only in Gaderia it happened. intrigued?
            1. +5
              25 October 2021 15: 04
              Quote: Crowe
              What's interesting, intrigued?

              The last remaining "seven" is U-995. And the Naval Memorial. Impressive.
              1. +8
                25 October 2021 15: 25
                Danke is really very interesting!
                What are you, young people, such lazy - is it really difficult to take photographs and share with everyone ...
                1. +3
                  25 October 2021 15: 59
                  And from the roof of the Memorial there is a beautiful view of the fjord. Out of respect for the memory of the sailors, I went on foot (these are eight floors, emnip).
      2. +7
        25 October 2021 09: 34
        Quote: Xlor
        It was not for nothing that submariners loved him. Papa-Doenitz ...

        There are no roses on the sailor's grave
        There are no lilies in the ocean wave
        Only seagulls grieve for him, throwing on the sea,
        And the beloved shedding tears.

        The words of a German song dedicated to the sailors of all nations who died in the battle for the Atlantic, and now resting at the bottom of the sea in steel coffins.
    2. +8
      25 October 2021 11: 53
      Quote: Eug
      I like Doenitz's approach - he provided the chosen officer with all the materials and the right to make his own decision ...

      Tellingly, the second fleet, which was engaged in unlimited submarine warfare, had the same approach.
      The ship commander on the spot is more knowledgeable than anyone at the table hundreds of miles away!
      © Lockwood
      The right to make the final decision belongs to the commander, and he must use it to the fullest.
      © Inright
  11. +5
    25 October 2021 07: 53
    I will quote you again:
    ship names are NOT TRANSLATED, but written and read in any language in the original transcription

    And now I will repeat my question again:

    Translate into Russian the name "Royal Oak" in the transcription of the original? And try to write it in Cyrillic

    And I will ask new ones:

    1. Write in Cyrillic Dwight D. Eisenhower (aircraft carrier). Not Dwight D. Eisenhower, but the way it sounds in the original language. As per your comment
    2. Or here's another, the name of the battleship - Missouri. Missouri. Can you pronounce this word in Russian? Can you write down the original phonetics in Cyrillic?
    3. Can you spell or pronounce the name of the Japanese battleship - "Yamato"?
    After all, according to your statement, everything should be written and pronounced in the original language?
    4. You can go on for a long time ...
    1. +4
      25 October 2021 08: 34
      Quote: Xlor
      4. You can go on for a long time ...

      Yes, the Imperial Japanese Navy is not a plowed field at all laughing
      It can turn out very lively and original. Learn, Skomorokhov:
      The submarine Rayfinchfish sank the destroyer Lightning off the Isles Far Away. A day later, Submarine Fish of the Mullet Family torpedoed the destroyers Anhydrous Month and Early Waves

      I translate this gibberish into a language that everyone here understands:
      The Bonefish submarine sank the destroyer Inazuma near Tavi-Tavi. The next day, the Harder submarine torpedoed and sank the destroyers Minazuki and Hayanami in the same place.

      This is an episode of the Battle of the Mariana Islands. I think there are no claims to the name of the islands?
      1. +2
        25 October 2021 10: 56
        The submarine Rayfinchfish sank the destroyer Lightning off the Isles Far Away. A day later, Submarine Fish of the Mullet Family torpedoed the destroyers Anhydrous Month and Early Waves

        This is Google's slave, literal translation. Or, God forbid, did you use your "knowledge" in translation? I am convinced that you have not read Hasek's novel, where there is such a "translator", how you translated the word "jay" (Eichelhaher) into Czech, like Acorn, for at the root of the word lies the word "acorn" ... wink
        1. +2
          25 October 2021 11: 57
          Quote: Xlor
          This is Google's slave, literal translation.

          This is a literal imitation of you, dear laughing
          Isn't it wonderful? If you intend to continue the maritime theme, then, I suppose, you should still heed the remark of the Camerad aka Rurikovich.
          Because "Titanic" is, you know, not "Bolshevik")
    2. +4
      25 October 2021 08: 42
      Kindergarten request I told him about the essence, but he still got into trifles ... in Russian - NAMES OF SHIPS ARE NOT TRANSLATED !!! It is written "Royal Oak" in English Royal Oak, so in Russian it will be Royal Oak. So it is accepted. And in this case, I don't need to prove the opposite. I'll tell you about it.
      It is clear that when writing in Cyrillic, the pronunciation cannot be conveyed exactly, but the essence remains.
      Once again, I remind you that the ships' own names are not translated. You have translated the name of the ship into Russian, but this is an error. And persist in it
    3. +5
      25 October 2021 11: 49
      Quote: Xlor
      Can you spell or pronounce the name of the Japanese battleship - "Yamato"?

      And it is in Japanese characters. We are always smart when we can show that we say we speak "in English in Alemannic", and the code comes to Japanese or Chinese spelling, we just keep silent. Although when we read Roosevelt in Russian, we have no doubts, but when we read Roosevelt in Latin letters, then doubts began.
      1. +2
        25 October 2021 12: 24
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Although when we read Roosevelt in Russian, we have no doubts, but when we read Roosevelt in Latin letters, then doubts began.

        Yes, but we do not rush to translate the real surname "van Rosenvelt" into the language of native aspens)
        Although ... USS Theodore Roosevelt - The Fyodor-S-Polya-Roz aircraft carrier is beautiful. love
        1. +1
          25 October 2021 14: 33
          Quote: Ashes of Klaas
          Although ... USS Theodore Roosevelt - The Fyodor-S-Polya-Roz aircraft carrier is beautiful. love

          And in a pair to it - the aircraft carrier "George Kust". smile
          1. -1
            25 October 2021 14: 59
            Quote: Alexey RA
            And in a pair to it - the aircraft carrier "Georgy Kust"

            Posony s KustA:

            On the far right is a catapult shooter. The muzzle is red - all the time against the wind.
            1. +2
              25 October 2021 15: 59
              Quote: Ashes of Klaas
              Posony s KustA:

              I can directly see all this splendor on the flight deck at 30 knots. Epaulettes on end. laughing
    4. 0
      25 October 2021 12: 28
      Quote: Xlor
      3. Can you spell or pronounce the name of the Japanese battleship - "Yamato"?

      so I understand #yamat Do not offer? ))
    5. +2
      25 October 2021 18: 40
      Quote: Xlor
      And I will ask new ones:

      Actually, for names, surnames and other proper names, there are well-established spellings (pronunciation) in Russian ...
  12. +11
    25 October 2021 08: 24
    The mole version is implausible. In a small town like Kirkwall, the appearance, and a few years later, the sudden disappearance of the owner of the shop, moreover a foreigner by birth, could not go unnoticed. An investigation carried out by the Orkney Herald after the war revealed that neither the old residents of the city, nor the officials of the mayor's office, nor the city's watchmakers, had ever heard of Wehring. Official sources also deny this version. Most likely, it was invented by the British during the war in order to somehow explain their puncture with the anti-submarine defense of the base. This legend is beneficial to both sides. It provides an answer to the most painful question - how the submarine got into the Main Naval Base of Great Britain. Kurt Riess is an interesting character. His book "Total Espionage" was published in Russian in the USSR in 1945.
    1. +11
      25 October 2021 08: 55
      Yes, there are a lot of versions, and about spies (of course, how to do without the knights of a cloak and a dagger in such a beautiful story), and intelligence data, and just luck. I also read this: allegedly there was a certain secret "maneuver-manipulative" group on Prina's submarine from several people. On the approach of the submarine to Cape Kerk of Lamb-Holm Island, covering the particularly dangerous shallow-water Kerk Sound, this group was landed on the cape in an inflatable boat. Soon, three blue light beacons were installed on the island, installed in predetermined places. Determining by them, Prien could know his exact place, which helped him to cross the treacherous strait with such pinpoint accuracy. On the way back, the saboteurs-hydrographs were again taken to the submarine.
      1. +11
        25 October 2021 08: 56
        And here is an interesting story about the U-47 of Admiral Kharlamov, who during the Second World War was the head of the Soviet naval mission in England and who knew, therefore, many secrets and semi-secrets of the British Admiralty:
        “... The British secret service puzzled over how the enemy boat managed to break through a complex system of defensive structures, barriers and anti-submarine nets. There was no doubt that the submarine was led by a person who was well aware of this system. Only after the war, when the Abwehr documents fell into the hands of the allies, the mysterious story of the sinking of the Royal Oak somehow became clear. As you might expect, there was a shadow of Canaris behind this tragedy. Back in 1927, a Dutch filing named Joachim van Schulermann arrived in England as a representative of a Swiss watchmaker and jeweler. He soon settled in Kirkwall in the Orkney Islands and opened his own watchmaking workshop. Five years later, he managed to obtain British citizenship. And at the beginning of the war, Schulerman (aka Fotz Burler and, of course, a German intelligence officer) announced to his neighbors that his seriously ill old mother lived in Holland. He procured a passport, locked his workshop and boarded a steamer to Rotterdam. In that city, he met with Canaris officials and offered to send a submarine to Scotland, which he personally promised to take to Scapa Flow. His plan was accepted. On the eve of the tragedy with the battleship, the German scout took out a small boat and, passing the coast guard posts, went to sea. Here, six miles from the coast, a submarine under the command of Lieutenant-Commander G. Prine was waiting for him. Judging by the fact that the operation was successful, the humble watchmaker wasted no time: according to fragmentary information gleaned from conversations with local residents and base officers, he made an accurate map of the base's obstacles. After the sinking of the battleship, the Admiralty conducted a thorough investigation. Many officials of the base were severely punished, and the base itself and the approaches to it were closely monitored. For this, planes and even destroyers were used.

        Curiously, in 1967, the Royal Navy's Association arranged in Portsmouth to meet the surviving British sailors from the sunken battleship Royal Oak and the crew of the U-47 (part of the crew transferred with a promotion in 1939 to other submarines , remained alive). NATO friends made toasts to the victims, to friendship, laid wreaths. In a word, everything was done according to the proverb: whoever remembers the old will have an eye out ... "
        1. +5
          25 October 2021 09: 22
          They cannot decide on the "submitted" laughing , then Swiss, then Dutch, then rubber boat, then dinghy. laughing Very similar to the description by the witnesses of Woland, in "The Master and Margarita" laughing
          1. +2
            25 October 2021 09: 51
            Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
            They cannot decide on the "filed", either a Swiss, or a Dutchman, or a rubber boat, or a dinghy

            And I like the plot when the spyena picks up the boat. Always fresh laughing
            1. 0
              25 October 2021 10: 36
              It seems to me that another "author" is wound up ...
              1. +2
                25 October 2021 12: 00
                Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                It seems to me that another "author" is wound up ...

                Let be. If Nagirnyak is not interested in VO, then at least someone may remember about submarine warfare. The text is not important. Comments are invaluable. laughing
                1. +4
                  25 October 2021 14: 56
                  Hmm .. sometimes you get more information from comments than from the text presented.
                  1. +3
                    25 October 2021 15: 20
                    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                    Hmm .. sometimes you get more information from comments than from the text presented.

                    I suggest celebrating every Friday on Commentator's Day! drinks
    2. +2
      25 October 2021 08: 56
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      The version with the "mole" is implausible.

      Norm. No matter what the conspiracy child may amuse himself, as long as he does not ask for donations. The Prine raid itself is a self-contained plot that doesn't need a spy strawberry.
      1. +12
        25 October 2021 09: 07
        Pryn's raid itself is a self-contained storyline.
        Yes. The abandonment of Scapa Flow until the base is properly protected from submarine attacks is another achievement of the attack. On October 21, 1939, the steamship Lake Neuchâtel was sunk in Kirk Sound. finally closing it for swimming. To rule out any possibility of a new catastrophe, Churchill decided to block the eastern passages with a reinforced concrete dam. The construction, which cost £ 2 and lasted four years, involved 000 British and Irish workers, as well as 000 Italian prisoners of war. The result of the work was dubbed the "Churchill barrier". A road has been laid along the seaward, connecting the northern shore of Kirk Sound with South Ronaldsay Island, passing through Burray Island, as well as the islands of Lamb and Glims.
        Churchill's Barrier. The place where on the night of October 13-14, 1939, U-47 passed into the bay.
      2. +4
        25 October 2021 09: 23
        No matter what the conspiracy child may amuse himself, as long as he does not ask for donations.
        good smile
    3. +5
      25 October 2021 11: 16
      The mole version is implausible

      I have no opinion of my own here. However, bypassing all the booms with minefields and high-speed currents, and even not catching the eye of the patrol ship, can hardly be explained by simple luck ...
      1. +5
        25 October 2021 12: 12
        Quote: Xlor
        can hardly be explained by simple luck ...

        No, no one is talking about "simple luck") By the way, in the German film "Gunther Prien" (1958) Prin is given a report for review, consisting of three parts - maps and diagrams, data from air reconnaissance and submarines and - the third part - data agents.

        Where the admiral's finger is the eastern passage, where, according to agents, a "rust-eaten net" has been installed, in which there is a gap closer to the coast. Well, etc.)
      2. +2
        25 October 2021 14: 48
        And they did not get caught, but this does not mean that the "zaslanets" was driving the submarine on a dinghy or on a rubber boat. By the way, where does this information come from? Captain Prien and his crew were killed. The "Watchmaker" disappeared. He left no memoirs. Shelenberg has no details of the operation in his recollections. The British did not open the archives on this case. Where did the "watchmaker" come from? Who invented it?
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  14. +5
    25 October 2021 12: 38
    "the battleship" Royal Oak "and the aircraft carrier" actually had no more targets for Prien.
    In fact, the English were a fool in luck: "the fox climbed into an empty chicken coop": "the main forces of the British fleet were at sea."
    Imagine what Prien could have done in a crowded bay?
    1. +2
      25 October 2021 14: 07
      Quote: vladcub
      Imagine what Prien could have done in a crowded bay?

      Yes, the same as in the empty one. The first salvo of 3 torpedoes - 2 past, 1 in the anchor chain. 1 torpedo from the stern - by. Recharge of nasal torpedo tubes - 24 minutes. Three-torpedo salvo - hit R.O. Everything is empty. It's time to run.
      I explain the misses of torpedoes by errors of course, speed and drift.

      (ZhBD U-47)
      Well, and Pegasus was mistaken for Repals, the exposed depth of 7.5m is clearly too large for an airplane with its draft of 5-6m.
      But, do not look at anything, you cannot refuse Princehen and his team in composure. Bright raid.
      1. +1
        26 October 2021 09: 14
        By all appearances, the first-class BARDAK began there: in a normal situation, the Germans would not have been able to reload their torpedo tubes, fire again and escape.
  15. BAI
    +2
    25 October 2021 12: 51
    1.
    Easily bypassing booms, minefields and blockhouses, U-47 launched a torpedo attack on the ships that were parked at the time, and just as easily returned to its base.

    And at the same time:
    Previously, all attempts by German submariners to penetrate it to attack British ships ended in failure.

    In addition to mines, booms and hulks, the main difficulties in the covert penetration of a submarine into Scapa Flow were unusual currents with a speed of about 10 miles per hour. And at the same time, the maximum speed of the submarine is no more than 7 miles per hour, and it is simply not able to withstand such a powerful current.

    After carefully analyzing all these difficulties, Doenitzu's operation against Scapa Flow seemed like sheer gamble.

    We must also pay tribute to Lieutenant Commander Prin for the composure and determination with which he implemented Doenitz's plan. "

    Is it easy?
    2. Here, the legend about the "watchmaker" is well stated.
  16. +4
    25 October 2021 13: 00
    "was published in the spring of 1942 in an American magazine."
    I first read about this in Pionerskaya Pravda, where chapters from the story by Z. Voskresenskaya were published: A Girl in a Stormy Sea.
  17. +7
    25 October 2021 13: 03
    But to be honest, I was most interested in the following.
    Prien made his way into the harbor, found a target (not a small one), not disturbed by anyone, having a lot of time for this, took aim and fired torpedoes. Question: why only one of the three torpedoes fired hit the target?
    Further. A British Link is in the harbor and an explosion is heard near its side. Where is the alarm, the beginning of the fight for survivability? The British continue to sleep ...
    The submarine, on the surface, turns around and after ten or fifteen, again, not disturbed by anyone, fires another volley without any opposition, but even then it manages to miss with one out of three torpedoes. The target, however, is destroyed.
    The combat skill of the German commander is simply off scale. In greenhouse conditions, without interference, with two attempts to miss half of the torpedoes fired at a target with a width of nearly two hundred meters ...
    The British are also surprising. Okay, they missed Prine's breakthrough into the harbor, it happens. But what did they do in the quarter of an hour that passed between the first and second salvo of the Germans?
    With this level of security on British ships and coastal services, I wonder why Pin left Scapa Flow without an orchestra ... Could have afford it, I think.
    1. +11
      25 October 2021 14: 21
      By the beginning of the war, among other technical innovations, a magnetic torpedo with a proximity fuse appeared in the armament of the fleets. Of course, the weapon at first was not devoid of shortcomings, the main one of which was its relatively low reliability. There is nothing surprising in the fact that some of the torpedoes did not fire. The explosion in the bow of the Royal Oak was accompanied by a small column of water, the officer of the watch, being on the bridge of the battleship, might not have noticed it: the upper deck on the tank hangs over the stem and closes it from They thought that the attack was either from the air, or just somewhere inside something exploded - they did not expect a German from the sea. Again, a certain relaxation - Doenitz had information from the captain of a merchant ship, who had visited in the port of Kirkwell, north of Scapa Flow, where he heard that the British had ceased to monitor the eastern entrance to the strait. Aerial photography has confirmed this report. In the anti-submarine obstacles there was a passage 17 meters wide, they also knew about this. Skill, of course, and good luck - where without it ... the orchestra, yes, could afford it and deserved it ...
      1. +6
        25 October 2021 14: 32
        In any case, the situation is comical. Some smear point-blank on a stationary target, others stubbornly do not notice them, making it possible to aim better ...
        1. +10
          25 October 2021 15: 31
          the situation is comical
          Except for English sailors ...
          The memory of the dead sailors is honored, well done ...
          Rest in peace, people of the sea ...
        2. +4
          25 October 2021 17: 29
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          In any case, the situation is comical. Some smear point-blank on a stationary target, others stubbornly do not notice them, making it possible to aim better ...

          Actually, the point here is inexperience Prina. Before Scapa Flow he only had practice shooting to his credit. Plus two steamers - British Bosnia and Rio Claro - which he slowed down with a cannon shot, and then drowned them with a torpedo (one). But this, you see, is also not a fight, and so .... not even skeet shooting. Well, he drowned his third steamer from a cannon. That's all his combat torpedo experience before Scapa. So, I would not blame Prien so much for incompetence in shooting)
          Ubung macht den Meister)
      2. +3
        25 October 2021 14: 37
        Quote: Crowe
        By the beginning of the war, among other technical innovations, a magnetic torpedo with a proximity fuse appeared in the armament of the fleets.

        Prine had a G7e T2 - with a non-contact fuse.
        Quote: Crowe
        Not surprisingly, some of the torpedoes did not fire.
        Specifically, there were no torpedo failures in the Scapa Flow raid.
        1. +5
          25 October 2021 14: 54
          Specifically, there were no torpedo failures in the Scapa Flow raid.

          As I understand it, the failures are not recorded in the logbook (I must confess, I am not familiar with it). That is, theoretically, there could be failures?
          1. 0
            25 October 2021 15: 41
            Quote: Engineer
            That is, theoretically, there could be failures?

            Quite. But Prien indirectly acknowledged a data entry error in the forhalterechner.
    2. +7
      25 October 2021 14: 38
      Question: why only one of the three torpedoes fired hit the target?

      At the beginning of the war, the Germans had defective torpedoes, which in cold seas, for some technical reason, did not explode. The marriage was eliminated, and the guilty engineers were punished ...
      1. +2
        25 October 2021 15: 53
        Quote: Xlor
        At the beginning of the war, the Germans had defective torpedoes, which in cold seas, for some technical reason, did not explode.

        At the beginning of the war, the Germans had one type of fuse - contact-non-contact. From October 1939, the proximity module could be deactivated. The proximity module had a 16-zone setting to compensate for the influence of the Earth's magnetic field - from "0" (Nord-Cap) to "16" (Viscay). Depending on the point where the boat was located, the zone was set according to a special table manually on the fuse itself. After the torpedo crisis of 1940, the proximity module was removed and returned in 1942.
    3. +8
      25 October 2021 14: 42
      The questions are natural.
      1. The Germans had problems with torpedoes at the beginning of the war. And with fuses and rudders.
      2. After the first explosion, the British decided that they detonated one of the artillery guns like on Vanguard in the First World War.
      3. It cannot be said that the service was carried out negligently. Many of the watertight doors were battened down, but this played a bad trick on the Angles. The ship received huge damage, and the battened doors slowed down the evacuation of HP
      4. As far as can be judged, all three German torpedoes from the second volley hit the target

      PS Ironically, of the five Rs, only Royal Oak and Ramillis received improved torpedo protection between the wars. Alas, the branded British interwar PTZ became a real shame for their shipbuilders, demonstrating minimal efficiency.
      Although, in fairness, 4 torpedoes in one side is an overkill for any WWII ship
    4. +3
      25 October 2021 15: 51
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      Prien made his way into the harbor, found a target (not a small one), not disturbed by anyone, having a lot of time for this, took aim and fired torpedoes. Question: why only one of the three torpedoes fired hit the target?

      Because you can't shoot from two miles. smile
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      Further. A British Link is in the harbor and an explosion is heard near its side. Where is the alarm, the beginning of the fight for survivability? The British continue to sleep ...

      Yes, they did not sleep - BZZh was conducted, emergency parties worked. It was just that the explosion was "atypically quiet" for a torpedo - some of the crew generally believed that an internal explosion occurred on the LK (fortunately there was a precedent, yes ... and also in Scapa and also at night). In general, on LK for 12 minutes they tried to understand what had happened and fought with the consequences of the first explosion - and then the second volley came and put an end to it.
      1. +1
        25 October 2021 16: 12
        Quote: Alexey RA
        But because you can't shoot from two miles

        He sent the first volley, it seems, from 16 cables. And this is 3 thousand.
  18. kig
    +2
    25 October 2021 16: 01
    3. Gunther Prin - U-47 commander, the most productive submariner,

    The crew of the boat destroyed 30 enemy ships with a total displacement of 162 gross register tons and the British battleship "Royal Oak" (displacement of 769 tons), and also damaged 29 more ships with a displacement of 150 tons.


    Lothar von Arnauld de la Perière
    Kapitänleutnant (Crew 4/03)
    successes
    193 ships sunk with a total of 453,369 GRT
    2 warships sunk with a total of 2,500 tons
    8 damaged ships with a total of 34,312 GRT

    Born: 18 Mar 1886
    Died: 24 Feb 1941 Air crash at Paris Le Bourget airport
    1. +1
      25 October 2021 17: 01
      Quote: kig
      Lothar von Arnauld de la Perière

      Well, this is, as they say, "of all times and peoples")
      But still another war)
  19. +2
    25 October 2021 20: 18
    Yes, German submariners are enemies. But the daring cannot be taken away from them. As, however, and "frostbite". Suffice it to recall the legendary bet of Shepke, Kretschmer and Prin ...
  20. +3
    25 October 2021 20: 29
    Uboatnet day with uboatarchive in the comments

    Indeed, this attack has a lot of oddities. Many commentators have noted them, I will not repeat.
    It is believed that Prin was lucky, but the British were not quite. They say that the fleet left Scapa after a German reconnaissance plane overflew, because of the threat of an air strike, and Royal Oak remained at the base for a number of reasons, including, as they say, to strengthen the air defense of Scapa Flow. Well, yes, the most suitable ship for this task. The battleship's crew contained a disproportionately large number of cabin boys, aged 14 to 17, who had only recently entered the fleet. The British knew about the vulnerable spot through which the submarine could penetrate into the anchorage of the fleet, and it seemed that measures were taken to eliminate the vulnerability. But again, for a number of reasons, nothing had been done by the time of Prien's attack.
    Mention of the role of intelligence services, they say, provided materials, a watchmaker, etc. And who was in charge of the intelligence services - Canaris, a British agent executed for treason. And Schellenberg, who openly admitted in his memoirs in contacts and cooperation with the allies. In other words, another British agent. And from the side of the fleet, who was in charge of the operation? Raeder, who approved of it, did not want to fight with England, dreamed of drowning his subordinates as soon as possible, so that, having lost the war, he would begin to rise from the ashes again, which he did not hesitate to write about at the very beginning of the war. Doenitz - in his biography, an English captivity. And this is almost a black mark.
    Now we look at what could threaten British supremacy at sea - aviation and large surface ships. Submarines could not threaten him with absolutely nothing. The British needed the unprecedented success of German submarines, which would turn the views of the top military-political leadership of Germany to the submarine fleet and lead to the intensification of the construction of submarines and the allocation of significant resources for this task. And this success, which should have really shaken Britain (boys on board), was carefully orchestrated.

    We look at how the distribution of awards ended after the return of Prine - this is exactly what ended, Hitler's consent was obtained for the construction of 300 submarines and then it went off.
  21. 0
    26 October 2021 15: 44
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Effects....
    4. The German submarine forces received the green light for their further development, which their commander Doenitz previously could only dream of.

    This breakthrough could have been considered to have cost almost no "consequences" for the USSR, but the construction of hundreds of submarines did not allow the Germans to build many thousands, if not tens of thousands of tanks, so it seems to me that Prien played for the good of Soviet Russia.

    1. For tanks use armor steel, which in Germany beat 2-3 times more expensive than steel for submarines.
    2. The boat has one cannon like one tank.
    3. The boat has a diesel engine of high power, but for tanks they need a lot of less power.
    4. Most importantly, the crew of the tank is 5 people, and the submarines are about 10 times larger, in addition, the tank
    cover up infantry and artillery in the required ratio.
    In general, the refusal to build hundreds of submarines could give the Germans, at best, one additional
    Panzer division for 4 years war in the East.
  22. 0
    27 October 2021 06: 43
    I served on a submarine in a navigator warhead, that is, warhead 1 and how easy it is to go through unfamiliar places I don’t understand
  23. 0
    30 October 2021 05: 13
    ... In German, Wehring is pronounced, and when translated into Russian, it is transliterated and pronounced - like Wehring. Similarly: Gustav Mahler - Mahler; Christian Ehrmann - Ehrmann etc.

    It should also be added that in German the presence of "h" makes the pronunciation of "e" slightly, barely noticeable, elongated. Whereas its absence is relatively short, at least never extended.
  24. 0
    20 November 2021 19: 16
    This is not to say that the boat easily penetrated Scapa Flow, it had to fight the currents.
  25. 0
    27 January 2022 14: 17
    The submariner himself, in any case, the Germans have a successful attack, this is a fact.
  26. 0
    6 May 2023 03: 44
    As Admiral Karl Doenitz writes in his memoirs "Ten Years and Twenty Days", published after the war, the operation to infiltrate the main parking lot of the Royal Navy was prepared in deep secrecy and with German thoroughness at the headquarters of the German submarine forces. a limited circle of naval specialists.

    In fact, in this book he writes specifically that he himself personally calculated (Denets) and then offered Prin, to which he agreed. There was no talk of a "very limited circle of naval specialists".
  27. 0
    6 May 2023 03: 47
    As Admiral Karl Doenitz writes

    then, when he wrote the book, he had long since replaced the Raeder and became Grand Admiral. and in general the Fuhrer in such a way as is described in that book, not for nothing for 10 years. and it is exactly clear why the last 20 days.

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