"Instead of admission to NATO": The press of Ukraine reacts to the delivery of a new batch of Javelin ATGMs from the United States to Kiev

Information about the next delivery of Javelin anti-tank missile systems to Ukraine has been confirmed. ATGMs arrived from the United States as part of a new batch of military-technical assistance. The unloading was carried out at the Boryspil airport, where the board landed.

We will remind that earlier in Washington, at first, military-technical assistance to Ukraine was suspended. This decision caused a storm of indignation in Kiev. President Zelensky even said that if "Western partners do not want to help Ukraine, then she will have to make her army the most powerful on the continent." After Zelensky added that "Ukraine can turn to the east." According to Zelensky, Kiev could start contacts with China. And this is after the sensational stories with Chinese investors and Motor Sich ...

The Javelins delivered to Ukraine as part of the third batch are estimated at $ 60 million. Thus, in recent years, about 65 such anti-tank systems and about 320 missiles for them have been delivered from the United States for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Javelin has been shipping since 2018.

In Ukraine itself, a batch of ATGMs sent from the United States is evaluated differently. If the pro-presidential media write about "Washington's confirmation of the course to support Ukraine", then in other media (for example, in the publication "Strana") they believe that this is "an attempt to buy off." In the material of the Ukrainian journalist Maksim Minin it is said that it "looks like a payoff from Biden - instead of Ukraine's admission to NATO."

Several comments from Ukrainian readers:

I do not understand the euphoria of our authorities about such supplies. As if our military have to destroy enemy Tanks.

I have a question: where will our army now use these Javelins? Again at the Yavoriv training ground?

And yet this suggests that Joe Biden trusts Ukraine. Military aid supplies have resumed. And this is the main point.

Have we forgotten how to produce normal ATGMs ourselves?

Comments

[opuonmed]

soon and missiles will be brought in short or medium range))) if they have not already been brought))))

[Vadim237]

Yes, soon they will begin to be delivered, and the supply of the F 16 will come together with weapons.

[opuonmed]

Quote: Vadim237

Yes, soon they will begin to be delivered, and the supply of the F 16 will come together with weapons.

everything can be expected from them) they somehow do not care about the opinion of the Russian Federation do what they want! which is sad!

[Bat]

who knows what the difference is between javelins and israeli spike. Which one is better?

[Momento]

Javelins are good for urban / difficult terrain. adhesions are best in open areas. something like that, but maybe I'm wrong.

[opuonmed]

like that

[Fulcrumxnumx]

FGM-148E Block I are equipped with more mediocre single-band IKGSN with telluride-cadmium-mercury photodetectors operating in the long-wave infrared range (8-12 microns) and having low noise immunity, fraught with disruption of the "capture" of a heat-contrast target by using an attacked unit of IR traps armored vehicles ... Moreover, the range of these ATGMs is limited to 2,5 km.

Against this background, ATGM "Spike-LR / -2" have a more noise-immune multispectral optoelectronic seeker type IIR ("Imaging Infrared"), operating both in the TV range due to the high-resolution CCD sensor and in the mid-wave infrared range (3 - 5 microns) by means of a matrix photodetector with an image intensifier tube of the 3rd generation. The latter makes it possible to identify an infrared portrait of a target with a stable "capture" of its most vulnerable areas, even against the background of the use of IR traps and optoelectronic countermeasures. The "Spikes" also have a telemetric channel with the possibility of manual correction of the trajectory from the operator's terminal, which brings the probability of hitting a target to almost 100% ...

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

soon and missiles will be brought in short or medium range))) if they have not already been brought))))

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Nope! Will not! For the banal reason that "short and medium-range missiles" in / in Ukraine DO NOT PRODUCE! But ATGMs are produced, more precisely - produced (in the "past tense"!). They had quite good developments: the Stugna and Barrier anti-tank systems, which are quite comparable with the early versions of the Kornet anti-tank systems ...
And now, dear "opuonmed" - RATE "the beauty of the moment" and the grace of the combination[i] [/ i]: With these deliveries, the Americans simply "lowered" the enterprises of the Ukrainian defense industry, which could produce at least something else! And at the same time they firmly "tied" the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the supply of OWN weapons, which are still going "for free", and in the future ..... Well, you understand: free cheese - it happens exclusively in the MOUSE!

[Holgerton]

Take advantage of the benefits of the Internet, learn that:
1. They produced and are producing their ATGMs.
2. FGM-148 Javelin are at the expense of the Americans, specifically these, at the expense of additional. deliveries for $ 60 million from the Bidon.
Now tell us how the delivery of a maximum of 100 Javelin ATGMs at the expense of the Americans will affect the same Luch design bureau, which ships ~ 2k + missiles only for internal needs.

I'm certainly up to a fan of Ukraine, like a cancer to the Moon, but your analytics don't agree with logic at all.
If you google it, it seems like you can even find out how many ATGMs they have already delivered in recent years.

[venik]

Quote: Holgerton

Take advantage of the benefits of the Internet, learn that:

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I took advantage of the Internet (and in your opinion, where else could I get this?) And learned that:
- KB "Luch" (developer and manufacturer of Ukrainian ATGMs) complains that for the first time since 2014 it has NOT RECEIVED any orders at all from the Ministry of Defense for the supply of ATGMs for next year ... ) .....
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Quote: Holgerton

I'm certainly up to a fan of Ukraine, like a cancer to the Moon, but your analytics don't agree with logic at all.

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And where is? Maybe in what he showed you how gracefully the Americans "lit" their allies, intercepting the ATGM market and putting their manufacturers in the "riz" position?
No, my friend - it seems to you that it did not work out with your logic! I don’t know how much you are there before the "fan of Ukraine", "as before the Moon" or even further ...

[Holgerton]

- KB "Luch" (developer and manufacturer of Ukrainian ATGMs) complains that for the first time since 2014 it has NOT RECEIVED any orders at all from the Ministry of Defense for the supply of ATGMs for next year ... ) .....

Wow, bravo, if only your memory is like your fuse, the price would not be for you, sir.
Because this is repeated every year (they say that there are no orders) and every year they have orders, you can recall last year's news on VO about "Artyom" or the year before last about "Luch", when they also said that there were no orders, then they were wonderful image appeared at the end of the year in November-December (the specificity of the brain they have).

The bottom line is that there is no approved budget - there are no orders for the next year (like most of the countries of Eurasia, including ours), similarly last year was with their "Neptune" and An-178, which were ordered only in December, and there was talk about zrada, like on Privoz.

And where is? Maybe in what he showed you how gracefully the Americans "lit" their allies, intercepting the ATGM market and putting their manufacturers in the "riz" position?
No, my dear - it seems that it did not work out with your logic! requestDon't know how much you are there before "fan of Ukraine", "as before the moon" or even further ..... bully

Maybe then more, "my friend", show in more detail to the ignorant people how the Americans intercepted the Ukrainian ATGM market with a free supply of ~ 80-100 ATGMs (according to the photo) at their own expense, but did not do this in previous times, where were these Javelins much more?)
Or do you every time, like the first, but for every news - old bikes?)))

Gracefully, only that is obtained here, "my friend"how you pull an owl onto the globe of your providence)
Talk with experts on the topic (even in the CAST, even if they are familiar in the Moscow region) who will agree with your "unparalleled" definition of market interception with the help of free delivery (pure capitalism), and the first one in the last 1,5 years, for the sake of which Ze flew to Bow to Bidon.
For this, you and the Nobel Prize in Economics may be awarded)

Well, in fact - they have everything like us, they have an analogue of the GPV for a certain period of several years and there is an analogue of the state defense order (SDO) for a year (in principle, like most other countries of the world), and therefore without an adopted budget (and as a consequence of the state defense order) there are no orders for the next year, only transitional.
I doubt that Korostelev would have gone to such an obvious political blackmail of Ze, if he had not had transitional contracts.

But since you are such a skillful person in the blessings of the Internet, which is very, very commendable, then I think it will not be difficult for you to familiarize yourself with the basic principles of military development, according to which such a difficult thing as the state defense order works).

[venik]

Quote: Holgerton

Wow, bravo, if only your memory is like your fuse, the price would not be for you, sir.
Because this is repeated every year (they say that there are no orders) and every year they have orders, you can recall last year's news on VO about "Artyom" or the year before last about "Luch", when they also said that there were no orders, then they were wonderful image appeared at the end of the year in November-December (the specificity of the brain they have).

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My friend, the answer is as simple as "a corner of the house": in the Ukrainian segment of the Internet there was an article entitled: "For the first time since 2014 KB "Luch" was left WITHOUT orders"! Alas!
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Quote: Holgerton

Maybe then, "my friend", show in more detail to the ignorant people how the Americans intercepted the Ukrainian ATGM market with a free supply of ~ 80-100 ATGMs (according to the photo) at their own expense

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Well, just this, my friend, I tried to explain! It's a pity that you didn't understand anything! But in reality - everything is simple (again, like a "corner of the house"): rockets have their own shelf life (like cheese, which is sometimes put in mousetraps). The deadline has passed - either change the "gunpowder" charge of the engine, or write it off for recycling. Again, the ATGM calculations need training! And no simulators can replace REAL launches !!! NO !!! So we need more and more missiles! WHERE to get them? Naturally - BUY! While they seem to be given "free", but let's not forget about the "free cheese", which, as you know, happens only in ONE PLACE (you know - in WHAT). By the way - a trick, "as old as the world": first you sell "for a penny", and then you take it out on spare parts and consumables (by the way, the Japanese car industry has risen!) .....
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Quote: Holgerton

The only thing that turns out gracefully here, my friend, is how you pull the owl onto the globe of your providence)

Quote: Holgerton

Well, in fact - they have everything like us

Quote: Holgerton

But since you are so skilled in the blessings of the Internet, which is very, very commendable, then I think

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But this is EVERYTHING: blah-blah-blah, and nothing more!

[opuonmed]

Quote: venik

Quote: opuonmed

soon and missiles will be brought in short or medium range))) if they have not already been brought))))

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Nope! Will not! For the banal reason that "short and medium-range missiles" in / in Ukraine DO NOT PRODUCE! But ATGMs are produced, more precisely - produced (in the "past tense"!). They had quite good developments: the Stugna and Barrier anti-tank systems, which are quite comparable with the early versions of the Kornet anti-tank systems ...
And now, dear "opuonmed" - RATE "the beauty of the moment" and the grace of the combination[i] [/ i]: With these deliveries, the Americans simply "lowered" the enterprises of the Ukrainian defense industry, which could produce at least something else! And at the same time they firmly "tied" the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the supply of OWN weapons, which are still going "for free", and in the future ..... Well, you understand: free cheese - it happens exclusively in the MOUSE!

it happens about what someone wants to bring)

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

it happens about what someone wants to bring)

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Well, about who is there and what is thinking - it's not for me !. This is to Mishana !!

[opuonmed]

Quote: venik

Quote: opuonmed

it happens about what someone wants to bring)

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Well, about who is there and what is thinking - it's not for me !.

you do not need to underestimate the enemy, no matter how funny it is !!!!!!

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

do not you underestimate the enemy, no matter how funny it was !!!!!!

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Hmm! Not very similar to the Russian language either ...
PS Well, if I understood this "gibberish" correctly, then I dare to assure you that this (underestimation of the enemy) is absolutely unusual for me!

[opuonmed]

Quote: venik

Quote: opuonmed

do not you underestimate the enemy, no matter how funny it was !!!!!!

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Hmm! Not very similar to the Russian language either ...
PS Well, if I understood this "gibberish" correctly, then I dare to assure you that this (underestimation of the enemy) is absolutely unusual for me!

well done take a pie! the essence of this does not change) but how do you assess the song of the gas sector would there be no war?

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

the essence of this does not change) but how do you evaluate the song of the gas sector lick there was no war?

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No! Well, exactly with the Russian language - it did not work out! In a word of 4 letters - 3 (THREE !!!) mistakes !!! Do you actually live WHERE? If Russian was studied in an "English special school" - well, then it's understandable! Well, if you live among native aspens (and birches), then there is only one thing left to assume: one more "victim of the exam"!!!
PS I don't treat ANYTHING to the song "Gaza Strip"! For:
- firstly, in this "group" I was not and am not a member (and writing songs, as well as performing) - I never did;
- secondly: I have never heard this creation;
- thirdly, on my computer, the sound card flew, and somehow my hands did not reach to replace everything.
PPS This site supports automatic spelling checker (misspelled words are highlighted with a wavy red line!) - I recommend!
Well, .PPS: "Well done, take a pie!" Do you think it's funny? No - SAD! Immediately brings up thoughts about the exam and its "victims", as well as that (as one philosopher said): "The human mind has its limits, but human stupidity can be boundless!"

[opuonmed]

Thank you, you answered your own question))))))))) Do you understand?

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

Thank you, you answered your own question))))))))) Do you understand?

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The question is different: Did you get it?

[opuonmed]

Quote: venik

Quote: opuonmed

Thank you, you answered your own question))))))))) Do you understand?

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The question is different: Did you get it?

the answer to the question is not the answer ai)

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

the answer to the question is not the answer ai)

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Well, puzzled, so puzzled! Now, because of you, I will not sleep at night: I will have to reflect on the topic: And WHAT should this "pearl" of Russian speech mean?
Yes, they made me laugh, they made me laugh!
PS By the way, you have not answered the question: WHERE is the Russian language taught so "successfully"?

[opuonmed]

Quote: venik

Quote: opuonmed

the answer to the question is not the answer ai)

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Well, puzzled, so puzzled! Now, because of you, I will not sleep at night: I will have to reflect on the topic: And WHAT should this "pearl" of Russian speech mean?
Yes, they made me laugh, they made me laugh!
PS By the way, you have not answered the question: WHERE is the Russian language taught so "successfully"?

I think who and how are you you are you?

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

I think who and how are you you are you?

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And now I ask you to translate this "pearl" into Russian! (Preferably for LITERARY)!
Or do you also suffer from tongue-tied language?

[opuonmed]

Quote: venik

Quote: opuonmed

I think who and how are you you are you?

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And now I ask you to translate this "pearl" into Russian! (Preferably for LITERARY)!
Or do you also suffer from tongue-tied language?

the answer is before your eyes!

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

the answer is before your eyes!

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What answer? "I think who yes how are you you are you ? "???
WHAT is it supposed to mean? It looks like you even outdid the Ukrainian boxer Klitschko (or Klyachko?)!

[opuonmed]

Quote: venik

Quote: opuonmed

I think who and how are you you are you?

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And now I ask you to translate this "pearl" into Russian! (Preferably for LITERARY)!
Or do you also suffer from tongue-tied language?

are you a robot?

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

are you a robot?

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I'm just NOT a robot! But regarding you, there are just questions .......

[opuonmed]

Where are you from ? region country power continent?

[venik]

Quote: opuonmed

Where are you from ? region country power continent?

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Desirable: "country and region". "Power" and "Continent" - can be omitted (in the sense - not to mention!).

[opuonmed]

Are they still not giving Ukraine missiles? it was so funny for you

[bashkir]

I don’t understand why you were minus. Your comment fits very well with the current paradigm of American behavior. They can actually bring rockets. Probably, you were minus for the cheerfulness of your comment. You should probably smile less)

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Sooner or later, Durka will get the war he wants.

[poquello]

is it a gift or is it all for money?

[Jacket in stock]

This is a gift.

[Roma 1977]

A gift, of course.

[poquello]

Quote: Roma-1977

A gift, of course.

"The purchase was made nominally at the expense of Ukraine itself"
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4068070.html
nifiga did not understand, on the way they write for debt

[private person]

A gift, of course.

Something is hard to believe. Such generosity and the country and the Taliban who are still in line. Or is it something that was taken out of Avgan?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: poquello

is it a gift or is it all for money?

This is a small gift to the American military-industrial complex.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: poquello

is it a gift or is it all for money?

A present, but for Ukrainian money. In the west, only mom is given a free gift.

[poquello]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: poquello

is it a gift or is it all for money?

A present, but for Ukrainian money. In the west, only mom is given a free gift.

but I just wanted to rejoice for the dill that at least they gave me a weapon for meat for free

[tihonmarine]

Quote: poquello

but I just wanted to rejoice for the dill that at least they gave me a weapon for meat for free

And they were offended at you for not adding fat to their weapons.

[poquello]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: poquello

but I just wanted to rejoice for the dill that at least they gave me a weapon for meat for free

And they were offended at you for not adding fat to their weapons.

but how do they chew lard then work up with canned food from food waste? )))))))))))))))))))))))

[Egoza]

Quote: tihonmarine

In the west, only mom is given a free gift.

In the form of one flower or postcard

[aybolyt678]

Quote: tihonmarine

In the west, only mom is given a free gift

never heard

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: poquello

is it a gift or is it all for money?

A present, but for Ukrainian money. In the west, only mom is given a free gift.

Is not a fact!

[210ox]

In my opinion, there and mom don't do it for nothing

[kind]

This is a delay !!! Not to shoot and to hell with him, the outskirts did not pay for them.

[poquello]

Quote: Good

This is a delay !!! Not to shoot and to hell with him, the outskirts did not pay for them.

yes, it turns out that I didn’t pay, but I will have to

[Prisoner]

This is the bait.

[opuonmed]

you do not underestimate the enemy pumped up from all sides!

[Jacket in stock]

It is clear that the very essence of Ukrainians is a war against Russia.
It is not clear why people who call for war to their homes are called patriots there?

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

It looks like a lot of fun in Vukraine, like in a madhouse.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

It's a lot of fun in Vukraine, like in a madhouse.

That they have already begun to ride again?

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

They have not been able to stop since 2013.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

They have not been able to stop since 2013.

Well, just like a skydive.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Like jumping hares on batteries from Durasel.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

Like jumping hares on batteries from Durasel.

It was a long time ago, we bought clockwork Chinese toys for children abroad, she was a little gnome and when she started, she jumped and laughed, well, we called them "giggles", you told me about the battery and I remembered.
Well, everyone is one to one, jumping and laughing. Clever Chinese, 40 years ago predicted horses, although they did not even think that a "giggle" should put a saucepan on his head, but this is already Ukrainian know-how and their patented brand.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

According to your description, it was a very cool toy.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

According to your description, it was a very cool toy.

Honor all the sailor children raised on them. Moreover, they teased each other, the company is sitting with a respectable wives, especially in a restaurant, ladies in evening dresses, we are with triplets with ties, and suddenly there is a Homeric laughter. In the beginning, everyone stares at each other, like "Who is this?" and then they will see, and everyone starts laughing themselves.
There was one more cool toy "guano", but about it for the second time.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

According to your description, it was a very cool toy.

And how cool it is to count your minuses as "giggle"! They smell (minus) that dancing "hokhotunchiki" and jumping svidomye on the Maidan are the same thing. Minus always has a positive meaning, it always brings to the surface many human ignorance and stupidity.

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

Like jumping hares on batteries from Durasel.

It was a long time ago, we bought clockwork Chinese toys for children abroad, she was a little gnome and when she started, she jumped and laughed, well, we called them "giggles", you told me about the battery and I remembered.
Well, everyone is one to one, jumping and laughing. Clever Chinese, 40 years ago predicted horses, although they did not even think that a "giggle" should put a saucepan on his head, but this is already Ukrainian know-how and their patented brand.

A saucepan so as not to hit the sky

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

Like jumping hares on batteries from Durasel.

Wow, they are even unhappy that they are writing the truth about them, and even minus. Once minus you are right.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

I also got under the distribution.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

I also got under the distribution.

So this is wonderful, there are so many Sumerian "giggles" we brought out into the open water, as many as "seven pieces" (giggles are numbered in pieces).

[cat Rusich]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

They have not been able to stop since 2013.

Well, just like a skydive.

But without parachute...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: cat Rusich

But without a parachute ...

What to do if instead of a parachute they put on a saucepan, "God of God, and the Sumerians have a saucepan".

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: Nikolai Ivanov_5

They have not been able to stop since 2013.

Inertia, her mother is so!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Wadded Colorado

Inertia, her mother is so!

Free fall acceleration 9,8 m / s - everything is according to the laws of physics and nothing personal.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Why are people calling for war to their home there called patriots?

Well, when Stepan Bandera said something like that, it has gone on since then.

[Egoza]

Quote: Jacket in stock

It is not clear why people who call for war to their homes are called patriots there?

So they think that the war will not be in THEIR HOUSE, but somewhere there ... in the east or on the territory of the enemy.

[opuonmed]

Quote: Jacket in stock

It is clear that the very essence of Ukrainians is a war against Russia.
It is not clear why people who call for war to their homes are called patriots there?

call to pick up your lost and hit the enemy hard, this is the whole point of everything fight with each other)

[Teador]

What the hell with JEWELINS TO UKRAINE. There, it looks like they are already being given for change. The script is not for kremlebots &&

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

In Ukraine, in Russian, and in Ukraine, in Ukrainian nationalist language.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

and in Ukraine, according to the Ukrainian nationalist move.

Or maybe a surzhik?

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

But, they are very upset when they speak or write in Russian in Ukraine.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

But, they are very upset when they speak or write in Russian in Ukraine.

Let them write in Latin letters, imagine what the circus will be.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Well then, they'll be completely crazy.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

Well then, they'll be completely crazy.

The saucepans will also be numb.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Teador

oh sorry no little things can you take jivelins ... ??

From the same opera.
Gentlemen, Americans, if you are so poor and you have no dollars, then we will take "Javelins".

[Nexcom]

Now you have to wait for where it will shoot - obviously, the deliveries were made not so that all this would be in warehouses.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Nexcom

Now you have to wait for where it will shoot - obviously, the deliveries were made not so that all this would be in warehouses.

They know how to sell and then blow up empty warehouses.

[Nexcom]

Do you think they will poke everything - they will push to the left, and then the variant with Petrov and Bashirov? She, well, somehow again, the repetition of noncomilfo ...

Or as an option - the Americans are in the share of pushing to the left?

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Nexcom

Or as an option - the Americans are in the share of pushing to the left?

Well, maybe Bidon-senior Bidon-junior will attach again to the share.

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: Nexcom

Do you think they will poke everything - they will push to the left, and then the variant with Petrov and Bashirov? She, well, somehow again, the repetition of noncomilfo ...

Or as an option - the Americans are in the share of pushing to the left?

Ukrainian transit!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nexcom

Now you have to wait for where it will shoot - obviously, the deliveries were made not so that all this would be in warehouses.

For the fact that "Javelin" will shoot somewhere, it is necessary to bring to justice.

[Nexcom]

Who will hold accountable for this and how?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nexcom

Who will hold accountable for this and how?

They were rightly asked, of course, it will not work legally to bring the Americans to justice, but just as they like to howl, it is necessary to raise a wild high in all the media and to the whole world - "the state javelin is killing civilians!"

[Nexcom]

Uuuu, the Americans will otmazhivaetsya. They have already raised a wild hi that Kalashnikov kills people all over the world and is the weapon of the bad guys.
I personally heard such a statement from one amer. To which he said - you might think that they are only releasing butterflies from the trunks of their M16s. You might think that copies of Kalashnikov are not produced anywhere - even Pakistani farmers in the mountains on their knees cut out low-quality crafts with a jig saw from duralumin. It is clear that they need to respond in kind. Only they know how to tryndet incomparably better, unfortunately ...
They have different media industries working for tryndezh.
No, I'm only "for" if the amers are pressed, just doubts that it will work out. But about the Kalashnikov in the world they believe - the Americans and in the movies are arming the bad guys mainly with Kalash. Amerian propaganda.

[tihonmarine]

if "Western partners do not want to help Ukraine, then it will have to make its army the most powerful on the continent." After Zelensky added that "Ukraine can turn to the east."

Well, why then does Ukraine need gas transit? Just make up your mind or "turn to the east", or gas transit.
And it turns out and "eat the fish and sit on somewhere."

[Nexcom]

Do not worry. They are ALREADY sitting there. And very hard.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nexcom

Do not worry. They are ALREADY sitting there. And very hard.

Thank you, they consoled me, otherwise I thought they would eat the fish, but they won't sit down. We sat down with ease.

[Nexcom]

Yes to health. I do not mind.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nexcom

Yes to health. I do not mind.

Kind you.

[Nexcom]

Duc, generally not evil. and not greedy. Ches the word.

[tralflot1832]

One has only to find such one package in the DPR and LPR, and all the help will end there.

[Nexcom]

And it's good if it ends. They are useless to the Sumerians. This delivery will only add impudence to the Sumerians in their statements and actions in certain situations.

[Egoza]

Quote: Nexcom

They are useless to the Sumerians. This delivery will only add impudence to the Sumerians in their statements and actions in certain situations.

If only they were not sent to the Yavoriv landfill. "For training the APU". Laughter with laughter, but this "Ukrainian" training ground is actually a NATO base. There the British and Americans have been instructing and teaching everything for a year already.

[Nexcom]

Do not go to study, the main thing is that it does not come to the application of the LPR-DPR.

[Aviator_]

And the famous Hammer was also tested at the Yavoriv test site?

[Sergey3]

And where are our equivalent supplies to the DPR and LPR?

[Nexcom]

Do you think they will tell you about it in detail here?

[tralflot1832]

Ask the OSCE who were kicked out of the border crossings between Russia and the LPR, DPR!

[Andrea]

Modern Papuans and beads are modern.
Here the picture is the opposite of Bender - first chairs, money later, and what the States will ask for, God only knows.
Suddenly all Svidomo will have to shave off their forelocks
Laughter, laughter, but this "help" is only in words help, everything will be paid in full. We swam, we know the unforgettable 90s.

[Dr_Chimer]

And how many of these PTRs will end up in the LPR and DPR?

[Vadim237]

The fact that the Armed Forces will use all this against the equipment of the LPNR is for sure, and the losses from which the latter will significantly increase. The Armed Forces of Ukraine compensated for all the losses that it suffered in 2014 and 2015 both in terms of equipment and personnel, and the Czechs Poles and others are helping them with ammunition.

[Xlor]

I can well imagine a monkey with a grenade ...

[Gardener91]

Quote: Xlor

I can well imagine a monkey with a grenade ...

And the mouth of the wise Kaa ...

[Nexcom]

Do not forget about Tobaccos, which always go north. Well, they love it when Akela misses. Especially when the Javellins drove up again.

Threat is a popular sign: if unreasonable claims from Sumeria and loud statements about all kinds of changes began again, then most likely the Sumerians were again brought by Javelins. And for free.

[Timur_3]

Everything will be fine.
Everyone will remain who they have always been.

[agoran]

Modern beads for modern Papuans.
The maximum range for Javelin is 3000 m, from the Azov or Black Sea Calibers will roll out the entire leading edge of the Sumerians by 5 km. DB.

[Flanker692]

Ehh, that would be to compare Javelin with Caliber now. Do they have Javelins? we have Caliber! Do they have an F-22? we have Iskander! Do they have aircraft carriers? we have Topol-M!
In Russia, third-generation ATGMs were not even announced, not that they were put into service. Although technically, there are clearly no barriers to this. For example, in Germany, the Bundeswehr this year is completing the transition in paratrooper units to Spyki: in the summer, the last training shootings of TOW took place.
Call Ukrainians Sumerians? What would not be the type of relationship for what? What kind of infantilism? Set up an anonymous couch alpha club here. How does this business help that?

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: agoran

Modern beads for modern Papuans.
The maximum range for Javelin is 3000 m, from the Azov or Black Sea Calibers will roll out the entire leading edge of the Sumerians by 5 km. DB.

The calibers are expensive, it is quite enough to work out MLRS from the territory of Rostov, Belgorod, Kursk and Bryansk regions.

[CYM]

Quote from Flanker692

Call Ukrainians Sumerians?

So they sort of considered themselves to be the descendants of the Sumerian civilization. As for the rest, I agree, hating and derogatory attitude towards opponents has more than once turned out to be Russia. In the DPR / LPR, dense urban development and ATGMs, if used correctly, will be very effective there. In Russia, it seems like third-generation anti-tank systems are being developed, but ... But then, as they suddenly roll out the 7th generation without analogs.

[Vadim237]

They do not develop because the Ministry of Defense is not ready to buy ATGMs for infantry more than 1.5 million rubles per shot, and in combination with the launch and guidance system of the third generation ATGM, it will cost 6 million per unit. We do not have thermal imagers everywhere in service, and you suggest using these thermal imagers to shoot at tanks at other armored vehicles, shelters and infantry.

[Logic]

This is not a "bribe", but a "bribery" of the boyars, so that the "slaves" still fight for the interests of the United States.
The slaves are flattered, the boyars are happy, Basilio's cats are waiting.

[Borisych]

The more trophies the better. I ask Petrov and Boshirov not to spend dynamite on ukrop warehouses anymore. Only on the Natsik.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
“... Do you hear, dear son,

Through Ukraine,

Through our hut

"Javelins" are flying ... "

***

[Tramp]

brought the javelin then the NATO will come. they cook for them.

[Vadim237]

Soon, the Stingers will start supplying equipment for communication and surveillance systems, intelligence supplying large-caliber rifles supplying machine guns supplying it remains to supply large-caliber machine guns automatic grenade launchers - anti-tank grenade launchers are already supplying the entire range of weapons for the infantry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be closed.

[CYM]

The APU is certainly not the Afghan army, but the last mountain of American weapons did not help much.