Zelensky: We made Russia an advantageous gas offer

The President of Ukraine has made a “lucrative” offer to the Russian “Gazprom”. In fact, Vladimir Zelensky himself stated about this:

We have made an advantageous offer to the Russian Federation on the issue of gas transit.

According to the President of Ukraine, while ensuring gas transit through the Ukrainian territory, Russia "can get a huge discount."

The Ukrainian side notes that if the volume of gas transit through the Ukrainian GTS exceeds 40 billion cubic meters per year, then Gazprom will receive a 50% discount from Kiev. We are talking specifically about the reduction of tariffs for gas transmission for Europe through the territory of Ukraine.

Zelenskiy claims that "Ukraine is able to alleviate the unfolding gas crisis in Europe." It is for these purposes that Kiev "offers the Russian company acceptable conditions for increasing the volume of gas transportation through its territory." Bloomberg reporters received comments from the President of Ukraine.

I wonder how all this fits in with Kiev's earlier statements that “Russia is trying to manipulate the Europeans with the help of gas,” and that “Ukraine, together with Europe, is considering options for switching to alternative energy sources”?

As you can see, the President of Ukraine is still a opportunist. In an attempt to please the Europeans, Zelensky actually speaks of his readiness to pass any volumes of gas from the Russian Federation that the GTS will allow. Thus, Zelensky is trying to argue that the Ukrainian GTS can cope with the EU's supply of gas from the Russian Federation without Russia opening Nord Stream 2.

Comments

[Hog]

And it's okay that Russia is an enemy (the war has been going on with it for 7 years, and you have discounts for it), ah ah ah)))

[Flooding]

it's nothing
hybrid war
hybrid discount
hybrid Ukrainian president

[Tatyana]

Putin has already told the West that the Ukrainian GTS, worn out since Soviet times and absolutely not repaired by Ukraine over the past 30 years, will simply not be able to withstand the increase in the pumping of Russian gas to Europe!
Who - which country - is ready to invest in the repair of the currently explosive Ukrainian GTS? There are no such "sick in the head" among foreigners yet! And Kiev itself did not do it, it will not.
Even from these positions Zelensky in general Russia and the West talk about what ?! Bloody clown!

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[Vasily Onischuk]

The funny thing is that once, when there was still no smell of Maidan, they made a very advantageous offer to Ukraine. The GTS is moving into a consortium where Russia, Ukraine and the EU are equally represented. At the same time, Russia and the EU are investing in repairs and modernization, while Ukraine continues to receive profit from transit. Ukrainian politicians decided that it was not profitable for them to share the GTS. And proudly refused. And now the result. Now no one will even take this pipe for nothing.

[Shurik70]

What a freebie hunting.
Here and now.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Zela's proposal to Russia / Gazprom is an insidious trap. I am sure Russia will never accept Zela's offer!

[boriz]

The funny thing is that in August, Merkel brought him a similar offer. The terms were negotiated by Merkel, Biden, Putin. Zelya refused.
An overseer for the consortium from Germany had already been appointed, Merkel brought a thick blue folder that lay on the table before the negotiations. If its contents were substantively discussed, the negotiations would have lasted at least three times longer. And the press conference was held with Zeli's actual rudeness.
Now, for sure, no one will talk to him.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Tatiana

Putin has already told the West that the Ukrainian GTS, worn out since Soviet times and absolutely not repaired by Ukraine over the past 30 years, will simply not be able to withstand the increase in the pumping of Russian gas to Europe!

The carbon footprint of pumping gas through the Ruin to Europe is 5,6 times higher than the carbon footprint of the same volume being pumped through new pipelines.

Euroecologists, ay! The mountain should be behind SP2!

[Alex777]

Quote: Olgovich

Euroecologists, ay! The mountain should be behind SP2!

Zelensky probably thinks that he deftly acted and pushed Gazprom against the wall.
In fact, he recognized Ukraine as a monopolist manipulating the price of transit.
SP-2 is still more profitable for Gazprom than GTSU with this discount.
And the ecology is, of course, important. As without her. Where is Greta?
ZY Zelensky, giving a discount, hoped, I suppose, to poke the transit gas, but all these thoughts have long been known and are not interesting. At all.

[Akuzenka]

And the ecology is, of course, important. As without her. Where is Greta?

Greta, worked out the lave put into her until they were pushed in.

[Alex777]

Frost has come, Greta has become irrelevant?

[Akuzenka]

Of course. When icicles hang in the house and you will be heated with dung, if there is nothing else. And it doesn't matter whether it stinks or not. "F furnace", Greta.

[Kushka]

The throughput of the system at the inlet is 290 billion m³ per year, at the outlet 175 billion m³.
Never a specialist, but this characteristic of the GTS amazed me even during the Soviet era.
As I understand it, there are pumping stations with turbines of the type
aviation, which run on the same gas. As a result, at the inlet, they pump
290 billion, on the way they burn 115 billion and bring 175 billion to Europe.
For this technical miracle, a bunch of people received orders, including Brezhnev's son.
Then, perhaps, it was beneficial, first of all, politically - it was the first
post-war LONG-TERM economic project (whoever trades does not fight),
Well, the economy was on parcels.
But today, who will allow himself to burn 115 billion on the way?
(the same Ukraine, for example, "fits" in 15-18 billion a year, plus its 15-17).
In short, the VAZ-2103 with its 10-11 l / 100 km of 1972, will do today
only to a madman.

[Papazen]

First, you would somehow ask about the question on the Internet ...
The gas transportation / gas distribution system of Ukraine in Soviet times was built as a single whole for the sake of saving money. And at the entrance to it was supplied, among other things, the gas consumed by the industry and the population of Ukraine. Moreover, the industry is not the current, withered to the point of indecency, but also the Soviet industry with a certain margin for the future development.
This does not negate the fact that modern pipelines are built on more advanced technologies and are more economical, environmentally friendly, etc. Nord Streams are also shorter than the Ukrainian route.

[Kushka]

As I pointed out, I am never an expert. But that with aircraft engines
Soviet production already in our time there were problems in Europe,
from the point of view of economy, harm to the environment and they have not such
characteristics, as in the same Rolls-Royce, I heard. And if the GTS is used
turbines developed half a century ago, it is clear that today's turbines
days are more energy efficient. The fact that the modernization of the Ukrainian GTS was not carried out,
known. The same is with storage facilities - with 18 billion, it turns out that 4,5
never rise - this is a "buffer" gas - it just creates the pressure for lifting.
So the GTS in the complex is a very, very voracious system.
It's like I have a cart and a horse, I want to transport 290 kg to the market. oats.
On the way, my horse will eat 115 kg. So at what price will my oats be?

[NKT]

And what does the "buffer gas" do not suit you? Do you know how UGS works? The same as in the gas field. Gas is injected into the reservoir and due to reservoir pressure, production takes place. Reservoir pressure falls, production falls. As a rule, you will never extract more than 70% of the gas, there are sometimes exceptions, up to 90%, but rarely and depend on the properties of the formation itself and the presence of a powerful aquifer (water).
Typically, UGS facilities are set up in old gas fields or an aquifer is selected. Salt domes are very rare. Maybe you have a more efficient proposal for gas storage, please share?

[Stepan S]

The same with storage facilities - with 18 billion, it turns out that 4,5
never rise - this is a "buffer" gas - it just creates the pressure for lifting.

This is typical for any UGS facility, the presence of a buffer gas to create pressure. And the storage capacity in Ukraine is not 18 billion, but more than 30 billion cubic meters.

[Akuzenka]

As a result, at the inlet, they are pumped
290 billion, on the way they burn 115 billion and bring 175 billion to Europe.

40 years ago (almost) there were such technologies. Now the "losses" are an order of magnitude less. So don't be flattering.

[venik]

Quote: Tatiana

Who - which country - is ready to invest in the repair of the currently explosive Ukrainian GTS? There are no such "sick in the head" among foreigners yet!

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Here you are wrong: You would have found .... If you had received at least a part of the pipe in the property (in alien property - hardly anyone invests!) That's just hoh ... Sorry! Ukrainian the authorities do not even want to give up a part of the "pipe"!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: venik

We would have found .... If we had received at least part of the pipe in the property (in alien property - rarely invests!)!

In fact, history repeats itself and the 404th simply needed to know history: after the collapse of the Soviet Union, a small and proud Baltic country, which inherited an oil pipeline to an ice-free port, began to raise tariffs with the words - and where will the Russian Federation go, they will have to ...... Once the pipe was turned off "small and proud" lost, they say, up to a third of the annual budget. A few years later, representatives of Russian business came, looked around and suggested: if you restore the pipe, then maybe we will think ... Putting things in order was estimated at a good lard, but who will give a lard for maybe...
So I think history will repeat itself, the 404s will remain naked and their Wishlist, and no one will fit in as an adult

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tatiana

Putin has already told the West that the Ukrainian GTS, worn out since Soviet times and absolutely not repaired by Ukraine over the past 30 years, will simply not be able to withstand the increase in the pumping of Russian gas to Europe!

Leading analyst of the National Energy Security Fund Igor Yushkov, commenting on the proposal of the President of Independent Volodymyr Zelensky on a 50% discount on gas transit to Europe, said:
"But, on the other hand, it is illegal. They cannot give a discount for the transit of additional volumes, because this is not spelled out in the contract between Gazprom and the GTS operator."
Also, according to him, when pumping additional volumes there is a risk of damage to the Ukrainian pipeline. In this case, Russia may be deprived of the opportunity to maintain the current level of transit. Therefore, the risk is not worth it, the expert summed up.

[Tatyana]

Quote: tihonmarine

"But, on the other hand, it is illegal. They cannot give a discount for the transit of additional volumes, because this is not spelled out in the contract between Gazprom and the GTS operator."

For the political adventurer and "mafia" Zeli and his silly "Kvaptala-95", operating in Ukraine according to the principles of Kolomoisky himself in the office of the President of Ukraine, no international laws and treaties in principle exist in Ukraine!
Jewish mafiosi from the heights of power in the country run Ukraine just according to the concepts of their organized criminal group!

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Tatiana

Over the past 30 years, Ukraine's Ukrainian GTS will simply not be able to withstand the increase in the pumping of Russian gas to Europe!

the matter is in the filling of UGCs. They are empty.
lacks 4 billion cubic meters of gas
And even on its own gas transportation system of Ukraine it cannot function normally.

According to Sergei Pravosudov, Director of the Institute of National Energy, the current GTS is built in such a way that even the Ukrainians themselves cannot say exactly how much gas they will need for the uninterrupted operation of the GTS in the winter. The fact is that not only Naftogaz stores natural fuel in local underground gas storage facilities, but also European traders, who own a significant part of the fuel tanks. In other words, Ukraine actually cannot control the volume of gas reserves on its own territory.

Yes, but after all, Ukraine did not pay a debt to Russia, which, taking into account interest, at the moment is already $ 4,5 billion

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ja-ja-vw

Yes, but after all, Ukraine did not pay a debt to Russia, which, taking into account interest, at the moment is already $ 4,5 billion

And he will not pay for the subsequent transit (if any).
Ukraine acts according to the formula "we forgive all our debts to all." And to this $ 4,5 billion it is necessary to add $ 3,0 billion.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: tihonmarine

And he will not pay for the subsequent transit (if any).

I continue to work with them.
Good guys, hard-working, but even the Norwegians said: now we understand the essence of that proverb:

when ..... was born, ***** wept bitterly

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ja-ja-vw

I continue to work with them.
Good guys, hard-working, but sales

Yes, and they work for me, they remained normal, and how many had to be sent back to Nenko.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ja-ja-vw

the matter is in the fullness of the gas storage facilities. They are empty. 4 billion cubic meters of gas is not enough

And that's half the trouble ...

Quote: Boris Martsinkevich

If the new agreement is not signed after 2024, then physically Russian gas will not pass through the Ukrainian gas transportation system. Wherein several settlements are supplied directly from the gas transmission system of this country without entering underground gas storage facilities

Especially if you take into account that

“The last technical audit (GTS of Ukraine) was carried out by German specialists in 2015. At that time, they estimated the amortization (depreciation) rate at 85 percent. According to preliminary estimates, it will take about 12 billion euros to bring it into line with modern standards. Another six years passed. From what we know as outside observers, from sources inside Ukraine, out of a hundred percent allocated for scheduled preventive maintenance, 30 percent comes. It is very difficult to say what state the system is in now ”.

Anshlag

[zenion]

You, Tatyana, are not in the know. From Russian into Ukrainian it is translated as follows - regain the cossack over the rocking cohans. No stake, no yard. Translated - and the hut burned, and vin ne stioit. And since there are a lot of clowns, there will be cakes in Ukrainian.

[zloybond]

They need hryvnia. To contain the Nazis. War takes a lot. And money is needed for the genocide of our own people. So they want to solve the problem at the expense of gas.

[Tigerrr]

The Fuehrer Ze said ... You shouldn't have any business with the fascists. Then they will be dragged along the pocket-sized purchased vessels with predictable decisions.

[Terenin]

As you can see, the president of Ukraine is still a opportunist.

Only a professional schuller and adventurer can ask for a loan in such a way as if he is doing you a favor.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Terenin

Only a professional schuller and adventurer can ask for a loan in such a way as if he is doing you a favor.

There is still a moment - it works in both directions. Whom is he going to throw at his place? After all, this 50% will have to be taken away from someone?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NDR-791

After all, this 50% will have to be taken away from someone?

And who will let him do it? They will put their own on the knives.

[venik]

Quote: Terenin

Only a professional schuller and adventurer can ask for a loan in such a way as if he is doing you a favor.

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I haven't laughed like that for a long time! A joke or anecdote told by "to the topic and to the place"- 10 times funnier! It's a pity they don't allow it, or even 10" + "would be put!
PS BUT! I hope other comrades will appreciate it too!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: venik

I haven't laughed like that for a long time! A joke or anecdote, told "in a subject and to a place" - is 10 times funnier!

The usual zuhenwei of the "quarter" public, to make oneself and others laugh. Only the times of their jokes have gone into oblivion. Bezborodko, even in Ukraine, causes crying, not laughter.

[Clear]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: venik

I haven't laughed like that for a long time! A joke or anecdote, told "in a subject and to a place" - is 10 times funnier!

The usual zuhenwei of the "quarter" public, to make oneself and others laugh. Only the times of their jokes have gone into oblivion. Bezborodko, even in Ukraine, causes crying, not laughter.

Yes, earlier, their jokes were more or less clear from Ukraine, now there is only irritation from their news.

[figwam]

They want to work according to the old scheme, steal transit gas.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: figvam

They want to work according to the old scheme, steal transit gas.

The most popular craft in the Square.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hog

And nothing that Russia is an enemy (the war has been going on with it for 7 years, and you have discounts for it), ah ah ah)

Autumn bites!

[Serval]

Russia, as an "aggressor" - a discount. :)

[Terenin]

Quote: SerVal

Russia, as an "aggressor" - a discount. :)

Indeed - some kind of nonsense.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Terenin

Indeed - some kind of nonsense.

The same nonsense that he portrayed in the role of Bezborodko. Only this nonsense he transferred to Ukraine and Europe.

[Bar1]

Zelensky: We made Russia an advantageous gas offer

who benefits?

[Clear]

Quote: Hog

And it's okay that Russia is an enemy (the war has been going on with it for 7 years, and you have discounts for it), ah ah ah)))

And, Ze announced what the Anglo-Saxons told him to. Tomorrow he will be instructed to kiss some of the ... Gazprom in its place, he will do it immediately.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

And, Ze announced what the Anglo-Saxons told him to. Tomorrow he will receive a command to kiss some of ... Gazprom in its place, he will do it immediately.

Readers of the American edition of The Wall Street Journal vividly commented on the article about energy problems in Western countries - its author is sure that Europe itself is to blame for the crisis.
“Let's face it, Putin is smarter and more discerning than all of today's European and American leaders. "Never interfere with your enemy if he commits suicide." Putin doesn't even need to destroy us. He will simply watch as we destroy ourselves. And then he will send us the medicine at an overpriced price. ",

[Clear]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Clear

And, Ze announced what the Anglo-Saxons told him to. Tomorrow he will receive a command to kiss some of ... Gazprom in its place, he will do it immediately.

Readers of the American edition of The Wall Street Journal vividly commented on the article about energy problems in Western countries - its author is sure that Europe itself is to blame for the crisis.
“Let's face it, Putin is smarter and more discerning than all of today's European and American leaders. "Never interfere with your enemy if he commits suicide." Putin doesn't even need to destroy us. He will simply watch as we destroy ourselves. And then he will send us the medicine at an overpriced price. ",

Someone you are writing about gave you a minus

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

Someone you are writing about gave you a minus

When I wrote, I was hoping for a dozen minuses, I always want to know what people breathe on the site. It turns out that only one person does not like Putin's medicine: "And then he will send us an overpriced medicine. "... And others who did not minus understand - "send"!

[Palestinian]

and I'll put a plus))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Palestinian

and I'll put plus

Now the picture has cleared up.

[Akuzenka]

"And then he'll send us the overpriced medicine." And others who did not minus understand - "send"!

Of course it will, of course, at an inflated price. After all, capitalism is in the yard! They would have sent it themselves, with GREAT pleasure, at an even more inflated price, but they do not have this opportunity. They just won't take it. After all, there is Putin.

[Troll]

Has the West signed new contracts and is the search for a pipe going on now? What gas to pump if there are no contracts, and the old ones are being fulfilled.
Moreover, the discount applies to everything, but only to natural gas volumes exceeding the contractual 40 billion cubic meters, which Ukraine is already transporting to Europe from Russia

[Dmitriy444]

An egg is dear to Christ's day. The Banderites began to stir. There is only one question: why pay with a 50% discount if you can not pay for SP2? And principled Europeans, when necessary, will allow anything.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

But here it is difficult to tell us, non-specialists, right away. Transportation by sea pipe also costs money. Let the experts say, is this 50 percent really worth it? If it is profitable for us, then it is quite possible to admit it.

[tralflot1832]

Pumping through an offshore pipe costs exactly half the price of $ 16 per 100 km, and not $ 32 as in Ukraine. And Gazprom pays itself for the offshore pipe. We are waiting for the Europeans' turn for gas through Ukraine. Shyutka. The sea pipe is shorter, like 1000 km. Discount50 % is not relevant.

[figwam]

Quote: tralflot1832

The sea pipe is shorter, like 1000 km.

At 2000 km ...

[Clear]

Quote: figvam

Quote: tralflot1832

The sea pipe is shorter, like 1000 km.

At 2000 km ...

And this is a very weighty argument not in favor of enameled

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

Pumping through the offshore pipe costs exactly half the price of $ 16 per 100 km, and not $ 32 as in Ukraine, and Gazprom pays itself for the offshore pipe.

And note that to download 40 lard at the same price of 32 bucks, and in addition to 16 bucks, that is, if Roosia pumps on SP-2, she has no benefit from pumping from Ukraine, but only a loss for 40 lard at a price of 32 bucks.
And what did the "codpiece Fuhrer" offer to Russia? In my opinion, "from a dead bull's ears."
As in a brothel, admission is free, and you pay in dollars for using a girl.

[vitvit123]

On streams, I think, it is still more profitable for us to download than to have business with these ... even if they offer it for free, then only with the aim of stealing ourselves ...

[Fantazer911]

You are wrong, the PR move and the point is that Ze wants a second term, and he needs to hush up the topic so that he does not have a criminal case against him, like I decided, agreed, and if this happens, hypothetically, then that dirt Koturuyu poured into Russia will seem like candy!

[vitvit123]

And what am I mistaken about? Did not understand ...

[Fantazer911]

The point is not to pump gas along a more profitable route, but political points that Ze wants to earn, he then prepares for a second term

[vitvit123]

So I wrote for us, not for Zelya ... I wrote that it is profitable for us, and not for them ... I worry a little about them ...

[Fantazer911]

You again did not understand, the point is that Ze wants to earn points for the next election, and not which route to pump gas on!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Fantazer911

You again did not understand, the point is that Ze wants to earn points for the next election,

Here, nothing depends on Zelensky, his election for a second term is decided by the US State Department (then the bish is the boss).

[vitvit123]

Well, it doesn't matter to us what Ze wants ...
What we want is important to us ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vitvit123

On streams, I think, it is still more profitable for us to download than to have business with these ... even if they offer it for free, then only for the purpose of stealing ourselves

And even free, but only for exceeding 40 lard, and pay for 40 lard. Everything is spelled out in the contract.

[vitvit123]

What is this for? I know this nuance ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dmitriy444

An egg is dear to Christ's day. The Banderites began to stir. There is only one question: why pay with a 50% discount if you can not pay for SP2?

This is not up to Zelensky with Kvartal yet.

[Chersky]

Oh, stupid man .... Fuck you in the ass with your discounts, small green!
PySy. And nothing so the site edits posts. I cut and softened everything)))) Roughly speaking, I left only "in" and "on")))))))))))))))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Chersky

Fuck you in the ass with your discounts, small green!

Better to let him go to the synagogue, maybe there they will absolve him of his sins.

[Pessimist22]

We will not give them anything more than a contract, we will see how they cope without dirty Russian gas.

[Egoza]

Quote: Pessimist22

Let's see how they cope without dirty Russian gas.

That you sho! We will even share "our" gas with Moldova, so long as they do not conclude an agreement with Russia directly! )))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Egoza

That you sho! We will even share "our" gas with Moldova, so long as they do not conclude an agreement with Russia directly

“Moldova, did you want a European contract? This is a standard European contract, pegged exclusively to the spot market. This is what the EU has always insisted on: remove long-term contracts altogether, or, if you do sign, remove the oil link from them. Please, Moldova has a short-term gas contract for $ 700. This is an indicator of what, in the opinion of Brussels, and not of Russia and Gazprom, an ideal contract, ” - said political scientist Yushkov

[moscowp]

Not the stupidest move from Zelensky. Probably the only smart one I heard from him

[Mikhail3]

Not the stupidest question - how much will be stolen when pumping? So no discount can solve it. There is no trust! You can't trust them, so there is no point in downloading anything at all, where it is better to just pay a fine with the tap closed. Then nothing will be spent on theft)

[Serge-667]

Well, there are two aspects.
The first is to steal yourself on such volumes, yes, it is much easier.
And the second is to look presentable for everyone.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: moscowp

Not the stupidest move from Zelensky.

When a roasted cock pecks in the ass, even Zelensky's thought slips, but not smart.

[Clear]

Quote: moscowp

Not the stupidest move from Zelensky. Probably the only smart one I heard from him

And where to go then? They themselves betotated this move with Russophobia, Nazism, Bandera arbitrariness, the murder of their own citizens in the LPNR ... And suddenly, a smart move

[tihonmarine]

Quote: moscowp

Not the stupidest move from Zelensky. Probably the only smart one I heard from him

To be honest, this is also not a very smart move. And I haven’t heard anything clever from Zelensky, even when he was a clown, and when he became a clown president, his foolishness went off the scale. If I was smart, then on the second day after the inauguration I would run to Putin to apologize.

[Tiksi-3]

I would not go for this discount, because Gazprom already wanted to get a fine, if only not to pump excess volumes, the Ukrainian (non) brothers must themselves decide the issue of heat and prices in stores

[Roma 1977]

Huh? Offers Mariupol and Melitopol if Russia agrees to transit gas after 2024? Need to think.

[Nafanya from the sofa]

The President of Ukraine has made a “lucrative” offer to the Russian “Gazprom”.

Zelensky just did not specify who would benefit from this proposal. Gazprom has built an alternative gas transmission system, which is more efficient and needs to be recouped. And the so-called. "50% discount" - PR move. First, they raised the price for transit, and now they propose to lower it.
Classic advertising

Buy 2 ̷п̷о̷ ̷ц̷е̷н̷е̷ ̷4̷ and get 3 as a gift

[Fungus]

So they have trouble with gas. If the clown started sucking up.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Fungus

+6
So they have trouble with gas. If the clown started sucking up.

And how it all began well, "in all the world, we will crush Russia, drive it below the plinth, Biden will help us!" But in fact, all this turned out to be a soap bubble in Ukraine. Three centuries of living together says "Zelya is not written into the well, you yourself will have to drink water."

[Mylenef]

Their pipe will "burst" again, they will be delirious that it is Russia’s fault, they didn’t give money for transit, because there’s nothing to fix

[cniza]

Zelensky: We made Russia an advantageous gas offer

We are fussing, it's too late to drink barjomi, but something else can be squeezed out of you ...

[Reptiloid]

Good morning, Here are some great deals Ze came up with.
Cares About Russia
And how he cares about Europe,

[Terenin]

Quote: Reptiloid

Here are some great deals Ze came up with.
Takes care of Russia
And how he cares about Europe,

Well, I did it and sit still. Wait for an answer ... until spring.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Terenin

.....

I wonder if the offer will be repeated? As a piglet many times in the EU was ready to join right now

[cniza]

Quote: Reptiloid

Good morning, Here are some great deals Ze came up with.
Cares About Russia
And how he cares about Europe,

Good time!

I will not save the caring one ... it must have been hot, only a little late ...

[Reptiloid]

..... a little late ....

How many years ago it was necessary to repair the GTS and not spoil relations with Russia

[cniza]

They all wanted to panic and what would someone do to them ...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: cniza

They all wanted to panic and what would someone do to them ...

Well, yes! It was---

Let's join the EU and live

Not fused

[cniza]

Uh-huh, it slipped past the lip ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Trusting ukram is stupid.

[Terenin]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Trusting ukram is stupid.

Yes. Everything is clear as day. And I do not understand the tolerance on this issue on our part.

[Alexander 3]

"Ukraine is able to ease the unfolding gas crisis in Europe." It is for these purposes that Kiev "offers the Russian company acceptable conditions for increasing the volume of gas transportation through its territory." problems will be solved. And the company will have to ride in winter to keep warm. Sorry for the people.

[Egoza]

Quote: Alexander 3

"Ukraine is able to ease the unfolding gas crisis in Europe."

Aha! We are not only the shield of Europe, but also its saviors!

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Egoza

..... Aha! We are not only the shield of Europe, but also its saviors!

Someone is against the salvation of Europe --- puts cons. evil person.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Alexander 3, "sorry for the people"?
And Zelensky's "people" chose ...

[Alexander 3]

Let the people now correct their mistakes. If he can.

[Mountain shooter]

"Banderlogs! Will you let me down? ... Higher, jump higher ... they didn't want to pay for Russian gas taken (stolen) from transit? They offer a discount ... Why did they raise the price? And how happy they were - they bent Russia." ..

[Avior]

An unexpected move.
Ukraine is trying to show that JV2 is a purely political decision.
The proposal puts Gazprom in a difficult position.
SP2 is positioned by Gazprom as a cheaper gas transportation route than Ukraine, and Gazprom denies the political component. Moreover, the Russian president also announced the condition of transportation through Ukraine - the commercial attractiveness of transit

The Russian side is ready to preserve the transit of gas through Ukraine if there are competitive commercial offers, the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

Ukraine's offer is very competitive, more than.
In this situation, many arguments in favor of SP2 disappear, and Gazprom has less room for maneuver. The same proposal puts the Germans in a difficult position - instead of participating in a profitable commercial project, they will look like participants in a political decision before the European Commission.
Let's see what happens next.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Avior

An unexpected move.
Ukraine is trying to show that JV2 is a purely political decision.
The proposal puts Gazprom in a difficult position.

What is the difficulty? Gazprom pumps the volume that is stipulated in the contract, that is, it fully fulfills its obligations.

Quote: Avior

SP2 is positioned by Gazprom as a cheaper gas transportation route than Ukraine, and Gazprom denies the political component.

The way it is. Transit through Ukraine is something in the region of 32 dollars per thousand, and through SP-2 something in the region of 18-21 dollars per thousand + the transportation shoulder is shorter.

Quote: Avior

Ukraine's proposal is very competitive, more than. In this situation, many arguments in favor of SP2 disappear, and Gazprom has less room for maneuver.

With whom is the competition then? That through Ukraine, that through the JV-2, Gazprom pumps its gas.

Quote: Avior

Let's see what happens next.

What will happen? Gas will go through the new SP-2 pipe. The Ukrainian gas transportation system will also be filled with gas under the current contract until 2024. But what will happen after 2024 is a question.

[Avior]

What is the difficulty?

In the argumentation for the start-up and operation of SP2.

Transit through Ukraine is something in the region of 32 dollars per thousand, and through SP-2 something in the region of 18-21 dollars per thousand + the transportation shoulder is shorter.

I don't know where you got the numbers for SP2, but even with them, the economic profitability of pumping through SP2 is lost. 40 billion cubic meters are paid automatically, and over- Ukraine offered to supply cheaper SP2

With whom is the competition then?

with delivery routes

What will happen? Gas will go through the new SP-2 pipe. The Ukrainian gas transportation system will also be filled with gas under the current contract until 2024.

By sending additional gas through JV2 at a higher price than through the Ukrainian GTS, Gazprom will confirm that this is not a commercial enterprise.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Avior

I don't know where you got the numbers for SP2, but even with them, the economic profitability of pumping through SP2 is lost. 40 billion cubic meters are paid automatically, and over- Ukraine offered to supply cheaper SP2

And who will stop them from raising prices after signing a contract for pumping additional gas volumes? Has Gazprom already paid $ 3 billion to Naftogaz for nothing, and step on the same rake again?

[I am not a robot]

32 per thousand is the price for the volume that is stipulated in the contract, everything above the same price was announced by Ukraine 1,5 times higher, now they make a 50% discount and the price becomes 24 per thousand, which is more than sp-2
ps / below in the comments they calculated more precisely

[Disant]

By sending additional gas through JV2 at a higher price than through the Ukrainian GTS, Gazprom will confirm that this is not a commercial enterprise.

so it's not about the cost of pumping, but about the guarantees.
NOBODY GIVES GUARANTEES. apparently insurance obligations will kill anyone.
the cost of pumping, judging even by the different numbers sounded, plays practically no role and Zelensky's statement is worth nothing, even if he says that they say download for FREE.
.
Russia even benefits from the Ukrainian pipe, and not by the cost of pumping, but as an opportunity to insure its volumes and supply obligations in the event of damage to one of the directions (streams)

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Avior

What is the difficulty?

In the argumentation for the start-up and operation of SP2.

By sending additional gas through JV2 at a higher price than through the Ukrainian GTS, Gazprom will confirm that this is not a commercial enterprise.

As far as I understand...
Throughput capacity of SP-2 - 55 billion cubic meters
But the EU's Third Energy Package prohibits Gazprom from using 100% of its capacity, only 50% ...
The "third package" states that in the event of an "ice age" the EC (euro commission) may even allow the "monopolist" to use 100%.
We are waiting for the EC to sign a "surrender" ...
However, Gazprom is kind ... And it will start pumping its gas through the SP-2 Rosneft...

[eckons]

This offer is possible and would be beneficial. but only before the start of construction of SP-2.

[carstorm 11]

Your conclusions are quite logical if not for one big BUT! The state of the 404 system if a new one is available. And you got excited about the arguments. They'll drop the price above 40 yards. OK. Under what volumes? Gazprom without JV 2 fulfills all contracts.

[Avior]

The state of the Ukrainian GTS is normal, there are no disruptions in transit, and everyone knows this.

They'll drop the price above 40 yards. OK. Under what volumes?

Just for the volumes that were supposed to go through SP2.
If gas is allowed through JV2, both Ukraine and Poland will file a complaint against Gazprom with the European Commission for non-competitive methods of work and non-observance of market rules in the gas transportation market.

[carstorm 11]

Seriously?) Putin is apparently about the fact that it will explode if it is strengthened, well, just made a mistake) Through JV 2, the gas should go to the Germans. Why would they want Ukraine?) Why would they want a gasket in constant hysterics? Which also steals constantly?) And they will go to courts anyway. Conclude a contract with 404. Do not conclude. Come on, don't come on. Everyone understands this and everyone knows.

[Avior]

Putin said what he had to say to help and support Gazprom's argument on SP2. Gazprom itself did not make any official statements. There are also no reports of accidents at the Ukrainian GTS.

[carstorm 11]

Putin and the clown ... Whom to believe? .... you know what's the funniest thing? I would not be surprised at all that this proposal does not exist in nature. Just populism of the clown.

[Avior]

You can only believe in God if you wish.
Otherwise, it's a bad idea to live on faith.
.

[I am not a robot]

Putin is the god of the Ukrainians, we believe it means Putin.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Avior

will file a complaint against Gazprom with the European Commission for non-competitive methods of work and non-compliance with market rules in the gas transportation market.

Gazprom supplies 40% of the gas consumed in Europe, that is, 60% of the gas is supplied by other suppliers. What are Gazprom's non-competitive methods?
Gazprom is preventing Ukraine from trading in gas that it produces on its territory? no, he has no such opportunity. And what way to deliver our gas to the consumer is up to us, not Ukraine.

[Avior]

Everything is written there. If the proposal for transportation via the Ukrainian GTS is realistic at a discount of 50 percent cheaper than the real price for transportation via SP2, taking into account all the nuances, but at the same time they will be pumped through SP2.
Let's see what arguments Gazprom will have against.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Avior

Let's see what arguments Gazprom will have against.

One of the arguments is the unpredictable transit through Ukraine (ranging from theft, and political blackmail, ending with the state of the gas system in which practically no money was invested)

[Disant]

The state of the Ukrainian GTS is normal,

the last inspection (audit) was in 2018, 85 percent wear.
do you have data other than "normal"?
.

no transit disruptions, and everyone knows it.

of course, no failures - only Gazprom after the theft had to raise the pressure in the pipe every time

[tralflot1832]

You will still shorten the pipe, to the length of the streams, how much shorter the path through the Baltic. Yes, and Gazprom pays itself for pumping through the Streams. So 50% will not be enough. And then there is still a carbon footprint. Turbines in Ukraine what year. Let's see. not long left. Yes, and Algeria, there, too, muddies with gas.

[Brturin]

Quote: tralflot1832

So 50% will not be enough.

Andrey, something else is more interesting here: firstly - the lines of this 50% discount - a month, two ... the terms are not named ... It is interesting if it is constant, and if not ... The second question is why prices are compared transportation of the SP-2 and the Ukrainian section ... Ukraine has only a part of the route, then the Slovaks, Czechs ... these guys discounts the same or how ... so if you count the whole route - and it is 2000 km. longer ....

[vitvit123]

You write as if the people who have even a little heard about Ukraine and about Russian gas are completely stupid .. then dancing with white thread began ... and who will guarantee that there will be no theft, as has happened more than once?
And what is profitable there ... this is not a discount for the entire transit, but only for "over 40 billion" that are pumping right now ... it was beautiful on paper ....

[anemo]

Look Sergey, transit through the GTS is one third more expensive than through the joint venture 30+ versus 20+. But this is only for the guaranteed part, (take or pay parts under the contract). And for the non-guaranteed part, transit is 40+. Now Gazprom is being offered a 50% discount on the non-guaranteed part, that is, instead of 44-45 we get 37-38.

therefore

Ukraine's offer is very competitive, more than.

this is not true. From a PR point of view, and this is all that Zelensky can do, this is an offer. From an economic point of view - not even close.

[Avior]

Now Gazprom is being offered a 50% discount on the non-guaranteed part, that is, instead of 44-45 we get 37-38.

think very freely :))
Consider only the gas that was supposed to go through SP2, that is, that over 40 billion cubic meters, for this gas, it turns out that SP2 and the Ukrainian GTS will compete. And in the cost of transportation via JV2, it should be taken into account that today JV2 is subject to the 50 percent limit.

[anemo]

1)

think very freely :))

I count by the numbers, which are not a secret to anyone, excuse me if I broke your economic logic.
2) How much should have gone through SP2? (so far one pipe is technically ready) - if one pipe is launched tomorrow, it will be about 5,5 billion cubic meters by the end of the year. No restrictions matter on this moment because only one pipe is ready for use. So $ 22 per 1000 cubic meters or 37-38 (discounted). What is the advantage of the offer? While this sounds like Yaytsenyuk's proposal - gas should be more expensive - or Pupin will attack.

PS
And I'm not talking about the future of the GTS, whether Grouningen will be closed or not, whether Norway will keep production on its plateau or not, whether Algeria will hold on to production of 40-45 billion or will fall to 25, or the states will chase shale and another 1000 different variations.

[Avior]

I count by the numbers, which are not a secret to anyone, excuse me if I broke your economic logic.

but you freely combine them. We are talking about additional volumes that can go through JV2 and do not relate to 40 billion under the contract. So count them.
You take the cost of transporting gas through SP2 at full load, but in fact, 50 percent must be reserved according to the rules that exist today. Multiply by one and a half. :)

No restrictions are relevant at the moment, since only one pipe is ready for operation.

Why do you think so? You can build and pump one pipe to the fullest, and say that the second, when they are built, then we will follow the rules :))
Why build a second if it won't be loaded anyway?

I count by numbers, which are not a secret to anyone

There are only ten digits in the decimal system, and they are not a secret for anyone, you are completely right.
But the subtlety is how to combine them with each other :)))

[anemo]

What does the cost price have to do with it, do not cast a shadow over the fence. There is a transit rate, it may or may not cover the cost of transit. Gas is not teleported - it is pumped in tens of million cubic meters per day for a certain period of time. In the pipe technical gas - gas workers are not stupid people either more volume - more pressure more energy and cost, no one pumps a teaspoon per hour.

Why do you think so? You can build and pump one pipe to the fullest, and say that the second, when they are built, then we will follow the rules :))
Why build a second if it won't be loaded anyway?

- I told you that I was talking about the current moment in time (I’m not saying whether Rosneft and Novatek will participate in filling the pipe, whether they will transfer the virtual delivery point, or will there be part of the gas in the Russian Federation, or what else, or maybe all at once, or will go further on the procedure) I'm talking about the current moment.

There are only ten digits in the decimal system, and they are not a secret for anyone, you are completely right.
But the subtlety is how to combine them with each other :)))

the humor is not funny, you got into an argument without knowing the numbers, do not blame adults, it’s not serious.

Independent Estimation of Transit Costs (If We Don't Trust Miller, Putin and Novak) - Oxford Energy Research Institute - June 2020 - "Gas Relations between Russia and Poland:
risks and uncertainties that do not depend on time "- page 10. first paragraph.
Europol 2 $
SP1 $ 2,20 (when assessing the transit of SP2, they are guided by SP1)
Ukraine $ 2,61 (+ longer leverage)

[Avior]

Sorry, you write numbers without understanding their meaning and meaning.
The prime cost of gas transit is related to its volumes, since this prime cost always has a constant component that is not related to transit volumes, and a variable that depends on these volumes.
Therefore, any number will be subject to conditions.
And you just tug at them, not understanding the meaning.
As will be further, we'll see. In particular, to begin with, how does Gazprom justify the choice of SP2 over the Ukrainian GTS?
So far, there has been no reaction.

[anemo]

Sorry, you write numbers without understanding their meaning and meaning.
The prime cost of gas transit is related to its volumes, since this prime cost always has a constant component that is not related to transit volumes, and a variable that depends on these volumes.

-

And the men did not even know

Thanks to the guru for the educational program.
Why do you think that JV2 will be used at capacities less than the design ones? Do you read Miller's thoughts (like Arestovich with Putin)? There, Europol stands next to it, working half the capacity - if the volumes are minimal, they can be shoved to the Poles through an auction.

[Avior]

Because SP2 has been extended to 3 energy packages, which Gazprom is now trying to challenge.

[anemo]

Because SP2 has been extended to 3 energy packages, which Gazprom is now trying to challenge.

When one branch of JV1 stopped due to a Polish lawsuit against Opal, the second branch worked. Why are you confusing the payback of the entire project with the cost of transit through one pipe?

[Avior]

We are talking about SP2

[anemo]

We are talking about SP2

we are talking about the 3rd energy package.

[I am not a robot]

and in sp-2, who does Gazprom pay for transit?

[Terenin]

Quote: Avior

The Russian side is ready to preserve the transit of gas through Ukraine if there are competitive commercial offers, the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

This comrade speaks and speaks every day ... And what?

[Avior]

Not this time. On this score, there are statements by Putin himself.

[Terenin]

Quote: Avior

Not this time. On this score, there are statements by Putin himself.

Can you recall Zelensky's election promises ...?
Or do, as the Anglo-Saxons ... just do not answer when they need it and that's it. Ignored.
But I think Gazprom is not against considering this proposal after a certain commission has examined the technical condition of the Ukrainian GTS.

[Avior]

There are direct statements from Putin that JV2 is not a political, but a commercial project, and Russia is ready to carry out transit through Ukraine at commercially viable prices.
You can not react and pretend that you have not heard, but this means admitting that the JV2 project is not a commercial one, and Ukraine and Poland will most likely file a complaint with the European Commission.

[Terenin]

Quote: Avior

There are direct statements from Putin that JV2 is not a political, but a commercial project, and Russia is ready to carry out transit through Ukraine at commercially viable prices.

Well, we will wait for a commercial response from both Putin and Gazprom.
Let them continue to flirt with the Bandera authorities. The attitude of people in Russia to this is changing not in favor of Putin.
As for me, I would just ignore any suggestions of this ukro-shit.

[Avior]

Formally, these are proposals to Gazprom, but everyone understands perfectly well who will decide the issue.
I don’t think this proposal will be accepted, but it will complicate the work on JV2 noticeably.

[Clear]

Quote: Avior

I don’t think this proposal will be accepted, but it will complicate the work on JV2 noticeably.

And I agree with your reasoning. Basically, Zelensky's proposal was calculated for this (attack on JV 2) (is he the author?)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

and Ukraine and Poland will probably file a complaint with the European Commission.

They will listen to Poland, and who is Ukraine for the European Commission?

[Avior]

The European Commission has previously accepted and considered such complaints from Naftogaz, as they relate to the supply of gas to the EU.

[anemo]

You can file a complaint, but Ukraine and Poland are in the 3rd energy package, and this AUCTION for booking capacities, I want to take, I do not want to take. It does not occur to you why the transit rate in Poland is 2 + - 2 dollars per 100 km, and in Ukraine 2,61 - and at the same time Gazprom wants to reserve capacities, does not want to book (3rd energy package, however)

Independent Transit Cost Estimation (if we don't believe Miller, Putin and Novak) - Oxford Energy Research Institute - June 2020 - "Gas relations between Russia and Poland:
risks and uncertainties that do not depend on time " - page 10. first paragraph.
Europol 2 $
SP1 $ 2,20 (when assessing the transit of SP2, they are guided by SP1)
Ukraine $ 2,61 (+ longer leverage)

So let them write to Sportloto.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Anemo

So let them write to Sportloto.

Sportloto said "We do not gamble with stupid people, contact the State Department."

[I am not a robot]

you were considered where it would be more economical (more profitable sp-2), why are you resting
and yet to whom does Gazprom pay for transit via the sp-2?

[Brturin]

Quote: Avior

Ukraine and Poland are likely to file a complaint with the European Commission.

Or you can name the duration of this discount ... SP-2 is a capital thing and is designed for ... tse years ... so the discount should be for the same period ...
And the complaint can fall on anything ... certification as an independent operator is underway, there are their own requirements - registration in the EU, independent accounting, a transparent price agreed with the regulator, etc. ... and what does another route have to do with it ... will have to deal with these specific points, otherwise the investor goes to court and proves that the decision contradicts the rules adopted in the EU itself, he received losses (lost profits, etc.)

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Sergei, and you asked Zelensky what the price of a 50% sidka will be, in fact, now all the volumes pumped over the contract are paid at an increased rate! First they raised the price, but now they give a discount, does Gazprom need it?

[Avior]

Gazprom does not need this, Gazprom needs to launch JV2.
If a 50 percent discount on existing terms really makes Ukrainian transit cheaper than SP2, then there will be additional difficulties with SP2 at least until 2024.

[Leon68]

Quote: Avior

There are direct statements from Putin that JV2 is not a political, but a commercial project, and Russia is ready to carry out transit through Ukraine at commercially viable prices.

Only, you, forget to continue Putin's statement. In which it is indicated that there are no EU contracts on the volume of supplied gas. If European countries are not going to conclude long-term contracts, Putin said, then the question of gas transit through Ukraine disappears. If the EU countries conclude contracts after 2024, then Gazprom will consider the option with the Ukrainian gas transportation system with favorable offers for transit from Ukraine. So there is no need to put an owl on the globe and tell us that Gazprom is now obliged to pump everything through Ukraine, and not through SP2.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

Ukraine is trying to show that JV2 is a purely political decision.
The proposal puts Gazprom in a difficult position.

It is not Gazprom that is in a difficult situation at the moment, but Zelensky and his comrades. They have a headache, not Gazprom.
Although I do not agree with you, I give you a plus.

[Avior]

Yes, Zelensky is in a difficult position with the launch of SP2.
But in connection with a specific proposal, Gazprom also found itself in a difficult situation.
Formally, he can generally pretend that they did not notice this proposal. But this is fraught with a showdown in Europe over SP2.
That is why I wrote that the move was unexpected.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

That is why I wrote that the move was unexpected.

And the move is forced.

[Avior]

Yes, undoubtedly compelled. But that doesn't make it any easier for Gazprom.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

But this does not make it easier for Gazprom.

It is easier for Gazprom, it has gas, not Ukraine, which only has a pipe that Gazprom does not need.

[maksbazhin]

Yes, Gazprom can agree and greet, but download the same 40, and nothing will change.

[Roman Efremov]

What "arguments in favor of SP2" are you writing here since yesterday ??? In the near future (most likely this year) SP2 will be certified and will work. The best argument is gas prices in Europe !!!

[Bat]

On the way in Ukraine there are problems with gas and money. Marketing.

[Egoza]

Quote: Yarasa

On the way in Ukraine there are problems with gas and money. Marketing.

Well, yes. No gas, no money for the army.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Egoza

no money for the army.

To the war with the Donbass.

[s.adviser]

ALTRUIST Damn it . I shed tears from this generosity.

[Alexander X]

Why does Russia need a discount from Zelensky? When it will soon be possible to pump gas free of charge through the joint venture 2.

[Andrea]

This is definitely a brothel - I'll give myself a discount!
Only who needs stale goods. Gazprom seems to cope with contracts, and additional volumes are already a headache for Europe.
It looks like the brothel wants to warm up for free and then blame Gazprom, in short, be afraid of promising discounts for Ukrainians.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrea

It looks like the brothel wants to warm up for free and then blame Gazprom, in short, be afraid of promising discounts for Ukrainians.

In a brothel always, "the entrance is free, and the exit is paid."

[LiSiCyn]

Zelensky does not finish ...
Up to 50% discount applies to gas in excess of 40 billion cubic meters. A 40, at the old price. But, Gazprom's position is "figvam". Say thank you to Putin that it still works.

[askort154]

Zelenskiy claims that "Ukraine is able to alleviate the unfolding gas crisis in Europe."

The prese artist continues to play for the audience, not only for the Ukrainian, but most importantly, for the Euro-Anglo-Saxon.
He wants to show everyone that he is a great strategist, found a way out of the gas crisis, voiced it, now everything depends on Russia,
knowing in advance that Russia will not fall for this bait. And then he will again blame Russia., Under the applause of all Russophobes. Another, cheap admission of a scammer.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
"Freeze, freeze wolf's tail!" ...
***

[aszzz888]

Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov (Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov)
Today, 08: 27
NEW
+1
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"Freeze, freeze wolf's tail!" ..

The wolf is the one who lowered his tail into the ice-hole in winter and tries to catch a fish there. ... Statements by Vladimir Putin at the Valdai Forum.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

"Freeze, freeze wolf's tail!"

The wolf is a wonderful animal, it is better to write "jackal tail".

[aszzz888]

tihonmarine (Vlad)
Today, 09: 49

+1
Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
"Freeze, freeze wolf's tail!"

The wolf is a wonderful animal, it is better to write "jackal tail".

I agree to all 120%. Raised a wolf cub from a sucker, up to 3 years old. Smarter and more loyal than a wolf, it is difficult to find an animal.

[samarin1969]

For the owners, the shareholders of Gazprom, this is really interesting news.

[aszzz888]

Zelensky: We made Russia an advantageous gas offer

this evil spirits also dictate their quirks! The Banderaites have beguiled the coast at all!

[Sidor the Fierce]

To maintain the Ukrainian GTS in working order, a huge number of plantain and blue electrical tape are needed. Otherwise, with an increase in the volume of gas, this pipe will burst like a ball in Winnie the Pooh.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Sidor the Lyuty

To maintain the Ukrainian GTS in working order, a huge number of plantain and blue electrical tape are needed.

There is no longer any "plantain with electrical tape" will help, there is only rust. They need a complete overhaul, and they want to pump 100% in order to squeeze out money without thinking about the consequences. And they did not bother to invest for all 30 years. So "we have what we have."

[vitvit123]

Fear Danians bringing gifts ....
Benefactors, damn it ...

[ALEX_SHTURMAN]

You can't measure everything with money !!! First of all, we do not benefit from the Bandera power in Ukraine, which nightmares its own people, providing its territory for NATO, and therefore a threat to Russia, we do not need to have any conversations and dealings with them! Regime change in Ukraine by any means that should be the goal of the Russian leadership, comrade VVP says "I don't know what to do." How that sounds extremely depressing and destructive!

[mitroha]

Quote: ALEX_SHTURMAN

Comrade VVP says "I don't know what to do."

Is it completely possible to speak where he speaks like that?

[Vasyan1971]

Zelensky actually speaks of his readiness to pass any volumes of gas from the Russian Federation that the GTS will allow.

That's it. Will a rusty self-supporting pipe allow?

[SKVichyakow]

In the head of Zelensky and Co, nothing fits, there are no points of contact, some roundings, and a desire to get as much freebies as possible.

[Cat]

50% discount is a half measure. Let's wait for the liquidation Christmas sale.

[anemo]

Well, it's only 24 years old.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

50% discount is a half measure. Let's wait for the liquidation Christmas sale.

Super market in Ukrainian.

[Avior]

Rather, in Kazakh, judging by the tenge, Shymkent and Shardara.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

Rather, in Kazakh, judging by the tenge, Shymkent and Shardara.

Yes, maybe Kazakhs, but I'm talking about "Niv what you can't be sure" (especially in ponosse).

[sitll]

Nord Stream-2, apparently, was built with such difficulties as to abandon it and drive all the gas through Hohland. It is necessary to stop driving through it for free, enough to feed the Bandera people.

[Luminman]

After the increase in gas pumping through Nezalezhnaya, everyone will benefit. In Europe, the gas price will go down, Ukraine will make some money. And what do we get from this? Thank you from Europe with further sanctions? Isn't it better to sell less, but more expensive?

[Boris55]

Zelensky: We made Russia an advantageous gas offer

I apologize to ask, is it beneficial for whom, for you or for us?

[svp67]

Lord ... Ze POPULIST. 50% off ... Great. Ukraine is ready to rewrite the previously signed agreement, which clearly spells out the increased rates for pumping OVER.
Only CONTRACT, words are the wind ...

[RUSmen]

Aha! And then they will submit to the gayropeyskiy court that Gazprom underpaid and will take their toll.

[Vasily Onischuk]

Moldovans were sent there today. Well, that is, they said that negotiations on gas supplies between Gazprom and Moldova were unsuccessful. Now they will also send Zelensky.

[rocket757]

Zelensky: We made Russia an advantageous gas offer

not even funny .... the gasket cannot guarantee anything ...

[faterdom]

To begin with, in order to prove at least some kind of agreement, it is necessary to cease fire in Donbass, return the kidnapped SCCC officer, and pay a debt of three billion with interest.
Only after that you can at least familiarize yourself with some suggestions.
Yes, and arbitration from Stockholm and London should be transferred somewhere to China, otherwise these guys will award that black is white and vice versa.

[Polite Moose]

if the volume of gas transit through the Ukrainian GTS exceeds 40 billion cubic meters per year, then Gazprom will receive a 50% discount from Kiev.

And, if the volume of gas transit decreases to the minimum possible, then Kiev will receive from Gazprom just 50% (free hand).

[Vasily Onischuk]

By the way, Zelensky did not specify who exactly this offer is beneficial? Russia is unlikely.

[riwas]

Zelensky: We made Russia an advantageous gas offer

Snake in a frying pan.

[Ros 56]

And what the hell do we need to do, feed a bunch of Natsiks who will arm themselves against us for our money ???

[Fitter65]

The Ukrainian side notes that if the volume of gas transit through the Ukrainian GTS exceeds 40 billion cubic meters per year, then Gazprom will receive a 50% discount from Kiev. We are talking specifically about the reduction of tariffs for gas transmission for Europe through the territory of Ukraine.

Firstly, let Europe buy gas from Russia from the beginning, and secondly

Quote: Hog

Russia is an enemy (the war with her has been going on for 7 years, and you give her discounts), ah ah ah)

How so, here we are at war, here we trade cool.

[Russophile]

The buffoon is promoting again. No, in the current situation, only "hand hoh" will suit Russia. And so: more pumping, more chances for a "euro reverse". By the way, even with a 50% discount, the tariff is still 1,5 times more than others.

[Yun Klob]

Dov bo yop, as is dov bo yop.

[musorg]

However, what can you do for the sake of preserving the GTS and the enemy is again a partner. However, this proposal, when implemented, will slow down the launch of SP-2 and Zen. this was pushed in the West.

[evgen1221]

I would also send them in case of a 100% discount for their transit.

[Siegfried]

I wonder what is the real state of the Ukrainian gas transportation system? If you turn on the gas to the fullest and even a little harder?

[123456789]

Postpone consideration of the lucrative offer BEFORE the commissioning of SP-2. Review after launch.
And in our apartment gas, and you?

[Yaro Polk]

What is the profit for Russia in pushing gas 2000 km further?)

[Ivan Egotin]

Is this a new manual received during L. Austin's visit?

[zenion]

I have long said that Ukraine can pump Russian gas to Russia, and Russia can pump its gas through Ukraine. In addition, Ukraine can purify this gas through its own filters. Of course, there will be shrinkage and decay, but Ukraine will not take a single yuan from Russia for it. They don’t believe that Ukraine wants to save Europe from the horror of winter, but they won’t bomb cities. Hitler, in general, was wrong for not consulting with Zelensky and getting burned like a Swede at the Kursk Bulge.

[the same doctor]

First, you return 3 billion, and then talk about the benefits of cooperation. However, Putin should invite the Gay Europeans to conclude agreements with us on supplies through Ukraine, where the theft of stolen gas will be considered force majeure and Gazprom will not return money for stolen gas... Let's see who will be brave and sign an agreement on such conditions.

[Nexcom]

It was just reported on Euronews that the Baltic states and the Poles have united their gas systems to make gas cheaper for their consumers. Well, let the Sumerians be invited - then they can completely refuse the extremely undemocratic and at the same time dirty Russian gas.

Although if they haven’t invited you yet, they apparently understand that the Sumerians will be of little use - only losses. So it turns out that no one really needs them, despite the constant cries of “Foreign countries will help us.”

[Kibl]

A liar and a windbag! Russia is an aggressor, it’s like during the Second World War the Germans would have supplied the USSR with Messerschmitt 109. Something like this.

[Andresun]

Now they are giving a discount, but where are the guarantees that later Vitrenko and the company will not go to Stockholm arbitration and will not demand the amount of the discount, citing the fact that the discount was received by Gazprom in “unfavorable and difficult conditions for Ukraine”?

[Raven 95]

Why does Russia need this? Was it all for nothing that they built Streams?
Forest. Go through the forest.

[Gunter prereen]

You can pump up ukram xgas. Mustard gas, sarin, soman. To choose from!

[Nexcom]

Do not give gas masks!

[Glagol1]

They love hydrogen sulfide very much. Through life.

[Glagol1]

Swedish girl Greta is silent that Ukrainian transit is dirty. This is because she herself is dirty, and also because she is not told to speak. Environmental guys-curators.
Meanwhile, gas is 1000 greens per 1000 cubic meters. Something like this...

[Nexcom]

The Swedish girl received her cash prize and now there is no longer any point in making noise in public - she won’t get any money for doing the same thing a second time.

[alexander 2]

Previously it was necessary to offer. And now that SP-2 has been built, the Ukrainian pipeline is of no use to anyone. We will be downloading until 2025. But when the contract ends, then no. Let them get gas wherever they want.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

There is no way to pump more through Ukraine, the pipe will burst.

[Nexcom]

Niii, they won’t burst. Pump them up no matter how much - they all go crazy. They will also manage to speculate for their own pocket. They're as cunning as I don't know.

An anecdote on the topic (Polish). A devout Pole comes to the priest to repent: Holy Father, forgive me my sins, I have sinned greatly.
Priest: Yes, my son, repent, the Lord will forgive everything, he is merciful. What is your sin?
Pole: Oooh, I sinned greatly, I deceived the Ukrainian.
Priest: What are you saying, my son, this is not a sin - this is a miracle! Go in peace my son!

[George Koval]

What about European security and independence from Russian gas?! Eh, clown?

[Uncle Ivanovich]

All Gazprom experts unanimously declare that all Ukrainian gas networks have not been repaired for many years and are 80% worn out.

[Avior]

Not renovated. But there are no accidents either

[Nexcom]

“Have you had any accidents at a construction site? There haven’t been. There will be.” (c) The Adventures of Shurik

[anclevalico]

Discounts for occupiers? Well, well... Besides, Russian gas is the dirtiest!

[sgr291158]

The clown proposed. Let's all laugh at the clown.