Kazakh human rights activist tells how he ended up in prison for an article about the oppression of Russians

Ermek Taychibekov believes that he received a prison term in Kazakhstan not according to the law, but "out of law". This Kazakh human rights activist described how he ended up in prison for an article by a Russian newspaper that contained an interview with him, in which he spoke about the oppression of Russians.

Taychibekov conveyed written answers to questions from news agency journalists RT through his lawyer Galym Nurpeisov.

Human rights activist received seven years in prison for giving an interview to a Russian newspaper Ukraine Ukraine, in which he told how Russians are persecuted in Kazakhstan for their nationality. He is charged with inciting ethnic hatred, with which he categorically disagrees.

Now, in prison, Taichibekov appealed to the Russian authorities to grant him political asylum and Russian citizenship. Actually, it is unlikely that his request will be granted, since he is not on the territory of Russia. In addition, according to the legislation of the Russian Federation, he cannot be granted citizenship of the Russian Federation, since he is serving a criminal sentence in another state.

Representatives of different peoples live peacefully in Kazakhstan. Despite this, there are also nationalist citizens here. In particular, this is evidenced by last year's conflict between ethnic Kazakhs and Dungans, as a result of which ten people were killed.

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[Shurik70]

In any society, conflicts can arise between different groups.
National, ideological, religious. Yes, even between fans of different football teams.
Preventing this is an important state task.
There will always be someone who wants to profit from these conflicts.
Or inflate them.
Well, any "inmate" believes that he was imprisoned unfairly.

[Finches]

Kazakhstan is a primordially Russian territory! If the Kazakhs do not believe in it, tomorrow they will become the primordially Chinese territory ... There is no third option!

[Hypertension]

Quote: Finches

Kazakhstan is a primordially Russian territory! If the Kazakhs do not believe in this, tomorrow they will become primordially Chinese territory ...

Taychibekov says about the same thing. Just the other day I watched his videos. But he allows himself such things in his statements that no one will help him. For example, he talks about "higher" and "lower" races, says that the representatives of the Asian race cannot invent, but only copy and imitate the "white Nordic" race. In our age of tolerance, such reasoning is deliberately doomed to condemnation and rejection. He also wants Kazakhstan to become part of Russia as a province. In general, it must be seen and heard. With all my dislike for those who "they start this Russophobia, they start Russophobia, this is this, this is all this"(biker Surgeon), it seems to me that Ermek is not quite aware of the real reality. Kazakhs will want to join the Russian Federation only in case of a serious threat from China. And I don't see any point in joining. And so we have a lot of national minorities with their own problems. ...

[Tatyana]

I do not know what exactly the Kazakh human rights activist said, how he ended up in prison for an article about the oppression of Russians, but The Russophobic tendency in Kazakhstan on the part of the authorities is clearly visible, as on the surface, and it concerns precisely the refusal of the Russian language in the country. Namely

The political situation regarding the use of the Russian language in Kazakhstan is already as follows:
1.In Kazakhstan so far 84% of citizens speak and write fluently and 34,3% of students study.
2. By 2025, Kazakhstan should switch from Cyrillic to Latin. Yielding to Kazakh chauvinists, the Kazakh authorities are trying to forget the Russian language.
As a result, the population of Kazakhstan becomes uncompetitive in the vastness of the former USSR, primarily due to the uncompetitiveness of the Kazakh language in comparison with the Russian language.
3. Moreover, in Kazakhstan about 3,4 million Russians live - this is almost 18,5% of the population. Even if all of them without exception will study the Kazakh language, they are unlikely to speak fluently, let alone write in it, like Kazakhs. This means no career growth and stagnation in the backyard with low wages.
4. This was the starting point for the Baltic countries and Ukraine.

Lenin pointed out that pInflating one's own national issues is an attribute - an inalienable property - of the class struggle of the national bourgeoisie, its individual representatives for their private property, for their personal capital, for the markets for their products - for their economic DOMINANCE, for their personal POWER. And a significant role in this regard is played by the ARTIFICIAL imposition of other peoples of their national LANGUAGE. Namely.

Thanks to the imposition of their national Kazakh language on other peoples in the same MNOGONats. Kazakhstan, the entire nationalizing nation, the entire Kazakh people is automatically drawn into the struggle of the Kazakh national bourgeoisie for its national sovereignty in the country at an irrational, subconscious level. What a multinational. the state takes on an asocial character.

In this case, fanning Kazakh nationalism, no matter what particular forms it manifests, ultimately turns as a whole into a struggle of the nationalizing Kazakhs for the redistribution of the entire aggregate MULTINATS. public property in the country in favor of only ONE - this Kazakh nationalizing nation.

It is an attempt by representatives of the Kazakh nationality to join the multinationals. the state to enrich itself at someone else's expense - at the expense of representatives of other nationalities, by excluding them from equal participation with them in the shared division of the aggregate multinational property in the country, and above all on the means of production and land, thereby reducing the number of people participating in the section.
T.O., Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, with the abolition of the Russian language, simply rob the Russians.

Overblown bourgeois nationalism that's why it's disgusting because in essence it is a policy of robbery by one people of all other peoples. And an extremely radical asocial manifestation of this nationalism

[Hypertension]

Quote: Tatiana

I do not know what exactly the Kazakh human rights activist said, how he ended up in prison for an article about the oppression of Russians, but the ruso-mongrel tendency in Kakhakhstan on the part of the authorities is clearly visible.

Of course, Russophobia takes place. And this raises bad questions for the Russian government. And I would recommend you, Tatyana, to watch a couple of Taychibekov's videos. Make up your own personal opinion about this person.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Hyperion

And I would recommend you, Tatyana, to watch a couple of Taychibekov's videos. Make up your own personal opinion about this person.

Andrky! Thank you for the guiding recommendations for review! I specially watched the video and I propose the video below for elimination of this problem of the Russian question in Kazakhstan.
The analytics that I give out on the deductive level, Taichibekov gives out on the inductive level, i.e. with the help of the facts of manifestation of Russophobia and interethnic conflicts in the Republic of Kazakhstan.
The principle of the unity of deduction and induction in diamat, when there is a coincidence of conclusions and facts, speaks of their internal consistency - i.e. about their scientific consistency, about their objective reliability and can be used as a guide to action.

Taichibekov: "Kazakhstan wants to ban Russian TV and exclude Russian from the Constitution"

[Tatyana]

Sorry for the typo. I fixed it, but the correction did not pass - the time ran out and the window was closed.

Quote: Tatiana

elimination

It should be:
Illustrations

[Tatyana]

And here is another video that reveals the essence of RUSOPHOBIA in Kazakhstan.

"Sorry for the Russian speech": who is behind the Russophobic bloggers in the CIS countries


7 years of strict regime for supporting the Russian language in Kazakhstan. 24 Aug 2021 g.


For love of Russia - to prison: Kazakhs are forced to hate Russians. 16 Feb 2021

[Hypertension]

Quote: Tatiana

Thank you for the guiding recommendations for review!

Not at all, Tatyana. Such things are happening in Kazakhstan ...

[Tatyana]

While I was looking for a video about Russophobia in Kazakhstan, I came across a very competent speech by Sergei Mikheev on the Russian question, worthy of close attention.

"Yeltsin is not the only one to blame for hatred of Russians": Mikheev on the causes of Russophobia in the CIS countries


Political scientist Sergei Mikheev explained what is the reason for the growth of Russophobic sentiments in the post-Soviet space.

- 00:20 Historical reasons for Russophobia in the post-Soviet space;
- 04:45 Turkey's role in increasing Russophobia in Central Asia;
- 08:35 Can a nation-state be formed without Russophobia?
- 11:03 How can Russia protect Russians abroad?

[Hypertension]

Quote: Tatiana

How can Russia protect Russians abroad?

This phrase can be continued like this: ... if it does not protect (as it should) the Russians in Russia itself.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Tatiana

This was the starting point for the Baltic countries and Ukraine.

cannot be compared .. in Tribaltia there were 30-40 percent of Russians, and in Ukraine all 70 .. and among Kazakhs 18 .. the difference between count half / more and a clear minority is noticeable .. and 18 percent is clearly not the same strength as 40-80% ..

Quote: Tatiana

Even if all of them without exception will study the Kazakh language, they are unlikely to speak fluently, let alone write in it, like Kazakhs.

Why? are they less capable than Kazakhs in linguistics?
let's just estimate .. in Kazakhstan, where 18% of Russians, there is the Kazakh language, it is an independent country from Russia, but forever should Russian be on a par with Kazakh? it seems just illogical ..
I am categorically against oppression in the Russian language .. but Kazakhstan is not Russia, and despite the fact that there is a clear minority of Russians there and are decreasing, you should not be surprised at what is happening, it will continue unfortunately ... can this change, yes, if we are one country ... otherwise No..

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

cannot be compared .. in the Tribaltia there were 30-40 percent of Russians, and in Ukraine all 70 .. and among the Kazakhs 18 ..

It should be taken into account that in the general composition of the population and in the territories of compact residence, these figures will differ, moreover, at times.

[Tatyana]

Quote: 2 level advisor

Quote: Tatiana
This was the starting point for the Baltic countries and Ukraine.

cannot be compared .. in Tribaltia there were 30-40 percent of Russians, and in Ukraine all 70 .. and among Kazakhs 18 .. the difference between count half / more and a clear minority is noticeable .. and 18 percent is clearly not the same strength as 40-80% ..

Did you deliberately overlook item 1 in my commentary?

Quote: Tatiana

1.In Kazakhstan, so far 84% of citizens speak and write fluently and 34,3% of students study.

The question for Kazakhstan is not so much local as GEOPOLITICAL and GEOECONOMIC!

As a result of nationalist reforms, the translation of the Kazakh language from Cyrillic into Latin and the rejection of the Russian language the population of Kazakhstan becomes generally uncompetitive in the vastness of the former USSR, both in Kazakh and in Russian in general. And first of all, because of the non-competitiveness of the Kazakh language in comparison with the Russian language.
Moreover, this is noted not only in Russia itself, but also in other, even neighboring republics.
It is unlikely that the Kazakh language will be spoken even in neighboring Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan, not to mention Turkey, which calls all Central Asian republics to unite under its leadership. Maybe the local Kazakh population will be able to perfectly learn the Turkish language in order to compete with the Turks in Turkey? Unlikely. They will forget the Russian language, and they will not learn other foreign languages ​​in sufficient volume, with the exception of, perhaps, 10% of the population. For this, a couple of generations will be enough and that's it, only in the field you can go to work as a laborer, harvest by hand.

See in detail - "Kazakhstan is heading towards abandoning everything Russian" -
https://topcor.ru/22042-kazahstan-beret-kurs-na-otkaz-ot-vsego-russkogo.html

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Tatiana

Did you deliberately overlook item 1 in my commentary?

deliberately .. because in Chechnya at the end of the 80s they owned 100% Russian, so what? it turned out that nationality is more important than language .. and further depends on aggressiveness and circumstances, the trend is still the same ..

Quote: Tatiana

As a result of the nationalist reforms of the translation of the Kazakh language from the Cyrillic alphabet into the Latin alphabet and the rejection of the Russian language, the population of Kazakhstan becomes generally not competitive in the vastness of the former USSR, both in Kazakh and in Russian in general.

yes, you are right in everything, but I have never argued with this and am not happy with these changes .. but today, these are the problems of the Kazakhs, they, again, unfortunately a different country ... and our influence on them is very limited at the moment. opportunities despite the fact that a single country, especially a genetically different in the majority, always has a desire for "separateness"

[Tatyana]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Quote: Tatiana in
Did you deliberately overlook item 1 in my commentary?

deliberately .. because in Chechnya at the end of the 80s they owned 100% Russian, so what? it turned out that nationality is more important than language .. and the further depends on aggressiveness and circumstances - the trend is still the same ..

What kind of an advisor of the 2nd level are you and to whom ?! If in Chechnya in 1991 there were 220 thousand Russians, and now only about 5 thousand - this is about 5% of their previous number !!!
Do you want Kazakhstan to be the same as Ichkeria in relation to the Russians?
Slavery in the literal sense of the word flourished in Chechnya then!
Russians were stolen and kept. like slaves in their basements of houses, sold to each other like a laborer. They demanded a ransom from their relatives or cut off their heads like rams. And no one in Chechnya defended them.
Therefore, the first war of Russian troops with Dudayev's Ichkeria began!

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Tatiana

What kind of an advisor of the 2nd level are you and to whom ?! If in 1991 there were 220 thousand Russians living in Chechnya, and now there are only about 5 thousand - this is about 5% of their previous number !!!
Do you want Kazakhstan to be the same as Ichkeria in relation to the Russians?

Tatyana, I have said more than once that I don’t like it and I don’t want it, why are such conclusions ?! But the trend towards this is .. and I brought Chechnya as an example .. in any society, a small part of which does not want to assimilate or suppress the "enemy" in the end goes to this .. and from our desire with you, unfortunately, it does not depend on the word - in no way .. partly depends on the government of the Russian Federation .. but also not an absolutely different country, however .. Personally, in the place of non-Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, I would already be thinking about moving .. sadly, but it looks like this is the most reasonable ..

[Tatyana]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

unfortunately it does not depend on the word from our desire - in any way .. partly depends on the government of the Russian Federation .. but also not an absolutely different country, however .. Personally, in the place of non-Kazakhs in Kazakhstan, I would already be thinking about moving .. sad, but it seems this is the most reasonable ..

All countries and all peoples influence each other. Nothing and no one is isolated under a hood from the whole world. Everyone has one planet and the world is small.

The Russian government is OBLIGED to influence the Russophobic tendencies in Kazakhstan! And Russia has opportunities for this.
But the government of the Russian Federation does not really do this because Russia since Soviet times has been turned into a state of NATIONAL MINORITIES and the Russian question is not recognized by national minorities even now - in Russia itself.
National minorities have their own blood and their own identity closer to the body. They are not sovereigns in Russia, but national pseudo-leaders in power, and in fact they are colonizers of the Russian people, national conquerors, to whom the Bolsheviks handed over power in the country.
Their colonial metropolises in relation to the Russian people are located in their national "apartments" so-called. "titular" nationalities.
They are the very same compradors - the eparatists-limitrophes.

Hence, in Russia, there is no help and protection specifically for the Russians - including abroad!

[Tatyana]

Quote: Tatiana

Hence, in Russia, there is no help and protection specifically for the Russians - including abroad!

And until we, the Russians, understand this, and until the national minorities themselves openly "above" and "below" recognize the existence of the Russian question and we all together will not come to a single multinational fair consensus on NATIONAL EQUALITY in the country - Russia as a multinational POWER in the geopolitical plan will be doomed to its geopolitical DISAPPEARANCE!
National minorities are not able to protect Russia - they are not self-sufficient for this without the Russian people.

Those. Russia will definitely disintegrate into small puppet states - "kyazhestvo". which will be ruled by the national puppets of the West and the United States and who will turn into their POVERTY regressing national COLONIES.

This is precisely what the West is doing in a wonderful way, totally and systematically, in the post-Soviet space.

[Hypertension]

Quote: Tatiana

National minorities have their own blood and their own identity closer to the body. They are not sovereigns in Russia

Here, on the map, you can see who and where is the majority in Russia:

[Tatyana]

On March 19, 1922, in Soviet Yakutia, a counter-bourgeois nationalist coup d'etat under the flag of an alleged PROLETARIAN INTERNATIONALISM took place essentially from within the CPSU.
In the military-political line of the Soviet power in Yakutia, an ideological orientation turned out to be fundamentally new, which determined its difference from the policy of the former Bolshevik Yakut authorities of the region. it the departure of the Yakut "communists" -nationalists from the policy of PROLETARIAN INTERNATIONALISM and REFUSAL from the class struggle.

On the one hand, the Yakut bourgeois leaders and the Yakut national intelligentsia, especially after their participation in the X Congress of the RCP. spontaneously and parasitically was inspired by the Leninist national policy of creating national-state formations on an ethnic basis and promoting representatives of the so-called. "titular" nationality
At the same time, the Yakuts received benefits from coexistence in a large state with more culturally and socio-economic peoples who shared their resources and brought the former Siberian "foreigners" to a new cultural and socio-economic level of development, who became full citizens of the Soviet Russia.

And in the case of the SOVEREIGNIZATION of the Yakut people from Russia through the formation of an INDEPENDENT STATE, for him existed:
1) the danger of an external invasion of the region by Japan and the United States,
2) lack of forces to independently defend its territory in the event of the invasion of Japan in Yakutia,
3) economic and cultural backwardness (lack of national writing, industry and the proletariat, underdevelopment of the transport system, communications).
4) Fears were expressed that political and economic assistance from the RSFSR would be terminated.

In the case of SOVEREIGNIZATION, the people of Yakutia would inevitably fall into the category of colonially dependent peoples and be exploited by the large capitalist states (the USA and Japan), losing the national sovereignty they won during the revolutions and the Civil War.
Therefore, at a turning point in history, the Yakut national "communists" deliberately tied their destinies with Russian civilization in the image of Soviet Russia.
However, the specific political situation in Yakutia did not require autonomy precisely in the form of a REPUBLIC.

But in order to give legitimacy to their essentially separatist activity on the formation of the Yakut REPUBLIC, The Yakut national "communists" successfully carried out an agitation campaign among the illiterate masses of their relatives, who, quite recently, at the Zemstvo elections of 1917, voted as an exception with the help of balloons. Ordinary Yakuts could not understand the theory of state building and understand how the autonomous region differs from the republic.
Besides. The Yakuts nationalist "communists" sought the status of the REPUBLIC proceeding from their convictions with the in order to have more powers of power and use them in the interests of only their own people.
As a result of their efforts, on February 16, 1922, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee adopted a decree on the formation of the Yakutsk Autonomous SSR as part of the RSFSR.

And already the field of the collapse of the USSR and the elimination of socialism in the country - a few years ago, people came to St. Petersburg to study at educational institutions ethnic Russians from Yakutia who do not speak Russian at all, who do not understand the Russian language of teachers so much that they stop attending classes and fly out of educational institutions from the first semester of the first year.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

while Kazakhs have 18 .. the difference between count half / more and a clear minority is noticeable .. and 18 percent is clearly not the same strength as 40-80% ..

in the first place, the Russians were artificially squeezed out at the time of the creation of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the Russians were the state-forming nation, after which they began to bluntly squeeze out the Russians and import oralmans

[2 Level Advisor]

I do not argue, Vladimir, and I know .. you and I are about one thing, but you are about the root causes .. and I am talking about what is now available, and about trends towards the future, i.e. we just complement each other ..

[Hypertension]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

cannot be compared .. in the Baltic states было percent of 30-40 Russians, and in Ukraine all 70 .. and the Kazakhs have 18 ..

If we talk about "it was", then the Russians in Kazakhstan in the 70th year было 42,8%. Kazakhs at that time were 32,4%

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Hyperion

I do not argue, Vladimir, and I know .. you and I are about one thing, but you are about the root causes .. and I am talking about what is now available, and about trends towards the future, i.e. we just complement each other ..

Andrei
the population of Kazakhstan 1990-16 million, now 18 million .. have they doubled the population of Kazakhs during this time? if it’s so, it’s not sour .. but I think there’s something with statistics ..

[Nikolaevich I]

To be honest, I am surprised at such "demographic statistics"! Kazakhstan was in the 30s of the last century an autonomous republic within the RSFSR ... When, at the behest of Stalin, they "made" a union republic out of autonomy, they gave autonomy the South Siberian and Ural lands with a significant Russian population, which never belonged to the Kazakhs! At that time, the Kazakhs were in their "native" state in the minority! How it happened that the Kazakhs eventually became the majority, I still don't really understand! This should have multiplied like rabbits!

[Hypertension]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

the population of Kazakhstan 1990-16 million, now 18 million .. have they doubled the population of Kazakhs during this time?

Welcome. It turns out that way. But there is not only natural growth, but also the migration of Kazakhs from other countries.

Since the 1990s, there has been a continuous emigration of many Russians, Germans, Ukrainians and representatives of other peoples. At the same time, there is an active immigration of ethnic Kazakhs to Kazakhstan from Uzbekistan, China, Mongolia, Russia, Turkmenistan, Turkey and other countries.

[Avior]

In Ukraine, 17 percent of the population are Russians.

the majority of the country's population is made up of Ukrainians (according to the last census (2001), their share was 77,82% of the total population of the country). The second largest nation is the Russians (their share exceeded 17,28% of the population). Relatively large ethnic groups of the population of Ukraine are: Belarusians (0,57%), Moldovans (0,54%), Crimean Tatars (0,51%), Bulgarians (0,42%), Hungarians (0,32%), Romanians (0,31%), Poles (0,30%) and others.

In 1989, there were more Russians in Ukraine - 22 percent.

In Kazakhstan
Modern estimates - Kazakhs 69 percent, Russians 18
According to the 1989 census, Kazakhs are 40 percent, Russians 38.
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Национальный_состав_Казахстана

[2 Level Advisor]

and if, let's imagine, put 100 people, of which 80 are Slavs and 20 Kazakhs, who speak all Russian and national .. and then resettled in 5 groups where there will be 4 groups of 18 Slavs and 2 Kazakhs, and in one 12 Kazakhs and 8 Slavs .. What do you think, where in the first place will they begin to switch to the national language? I mean that the genetic code in such a situation is possible in 1x roles for self-identity that "passes" through the language ..

[bayard]

Quote: Avior

In 1989, there were more Russians in Ukraine - 22 percent.

No, there were 70 - 80% of Russians in Ukraine, just many, either because of some fashion, or out of stupidity, were recorded by Ukrainians back in Soviet times ... This kind of nonsense has gone on since the 20s. This did not change the blood, but it only confirmed that the Ukrainians are political games and deception by some external forces.
In "Kazakhstan" everything is even worse - there the Russians have simply survived for the last 30 years and continue to survive.
From the Russian land!
Alien migrants from Chinese Xinjiang (East Turkestan).
And over all these years, the Russian authorities have NEVER come out in defense of the Russian population in any of the former republics of the Union.
This is already a diagnosis.
Time-tested .
And unfortunately, this only confirms the fact that the Russians and the Russian People as a whole do not have their own national power. And these authorities will never act for the good of the Russian people. As well as for the benefit of other indigenous peoples of Russia.

[Avior]

... No, there were 70 - 80% of Russians in Ukraine, just many, either because of some fashion, or out of stupidity, were recorded as Ukrainians back in Soviet times

There was no such fashion in Soviet times; rather, on the contrary, there was a tendency to indicate nationality as Russian.
Nationality was recorded in the passport, they took it according to one of the parents recorded in the birth certificate, no one directly connected the nationality with the language of communication.

[bayard]

Quote: Avior

There was no such fashion in Soviet times; rather, on the contrary, there was a tendency to indicate nationality as Russian.

The fact of the matter is that these were two oppositely directed tendencies, I observed it quite widely, it even affected my family. The fact is that it was in vogue among Jews to sign up as a Russian (or a Ukrainian, or a Belarusian). So, while studying at a military university, all our Jews were registered under these nationalities. There were other cases ... so one of my friends, having a Lithuanian dad, and therefore a Lithuanian surname and patronymic, was registered as a Russian (by his mother) and was ready to fight anyone who took him for a Labos .
But the Russian people, living in the Ukrainian SSR or the BSSR and not seeing any difference from the so-called. Ukrainians and Belarusians, believed that they were the same Russians, but since they live in Ukraine, they often recorded themselves as Ukrainians ... implying that they were Russians living in Ukraine. Often, children from both Russian parents, receiving a passport, registered themselves as Ukrainian (on a territorial basis) ... and already their children believed that they already definitely belonged to this artificial "nationality".
And sometimes such a nationality was "accepted" for the sake of a certain charm. So my uncle was born in the Urals and lived all his life in Russia, receiving a passport, he enrolled as a "Ukrainian" ... just for the sake of charm (they say my mother is from Ukraine ", although all his brothers and sisters are Russian.
Among my classmates, some also did the same ... After all, there was no difference then, everyone spoke, thought and studied in Russian ... And then ... a qualitative change in reality happened ... And then many, for political reasons, wrote down their own children by Ukrainians, they say it will be easier for them in life ... And after two and a half decades, they began to kill for the Russian name.
And in other former republics much earlier - immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Quote: Avior

Nationality was recorded in the passport, they took it according to one of the parents recorded in the birth certificate, no one directly connected the nationality with the language of communication.

Quite a common occurrence was when both Russian parents recorded their child as "Ukrainian / Ukrainian", and such a fad began in the 20s. Oles Buzina, who was killed by the Ukrainian Nazis, wrote and talked about this a lot in his programs and films. For this he was killed.

And I also personally knew some of those involved in the creation of the modern "Ukrainian language", this neo-language was created to train radio and television announcers. According to the principle "We now have our own state, we will have our own radio and television, but the speaker does not know the language, there is no such language." ... When I remarked that he taught this language in schools, published a ton of fiction in it (which almost no one read or bought ... sometimes they sold it for a shortage), they answered: “No, this language is too similar to Russian "and it needs to be improved.
And improved.
When, half a year after its invention, the announcers of the new Ukrainian television started talking on it, the whole Ukraine rolled with laughter on the floor.
and then we got used to it.
Gradually.
And after 10 years, they also wrote technical terms for it and ... transferred a higher school ...
And then they wrote a new "story".
And only then - a bloody Bandera coup for money and under the leadership of Western special services.

Don't look at the world so simply. It is much more complicated.

[Avior]

Often, children from both Russian parents registered themselves as Ukrainian when receiving a passport.

I do not know what Buzina wrote, but when issuing a passport, the nationality was recorded according to one of the parents entered in the birth certificate, the nationality of the parents was also indicated there, and with two Russian parents they would not be recorded as a Ukrainian. Your uncle could well have registered as a Ukrainian if his mother was recorded in the birth certificate as a Ukrainian, and as brothers - Russian, if his father was Russian - they could choose one of the parents' nationalities when issuing a passport, but not arbitrary. Arbitrarily, no one could write down their nationality.
The tendency to register themselves as Russians (or Ukrainians, I have such acquaintances) when issuing a passport, given the opportunity to choose, was not only among the Jews, some others also - among the Tatars, for example. This concerned the Ukrainians to a lesser extent, it did not create any problems.

[bayard]

Quote: Avior

I don't know what Buzina wrote,

He wrote a lot of things, and quite interesting. I have not read his major works, perhaps because I was familiar with the primary sources, which he used and did not want to repeat myself. And he also hosted his program on one of the channels of Ukrainian TV, often participated in talk shows, and on Russian TV too.
In general, the person was interesting. He considered himself a Ukrainian patriot ... or rather a patriot of Ukraine, but certainly as a part of the Russian World and the Russian People. And he very convincingly proved the correctness of his position.

Quote: Avior

but when issuing a passport, the nationality was recorded by one of the parents

Not at all necessary. My sister, receiving her passport, also registered herself as a Ukrainian, although both parents are Russian ... Just because her favorite teacher was a teacher of the Ukrainian language and literature ...
Well, then no one took these "nationalities" seriously.
Moreover, when I entered the military school, I was given a military ID in which I was enrolled ... as a Ukrainian. I don't know why, but I lived with such a record for four years and did not bother at all. And upon graduation, having received an identity card, he had the correct nationality there. Those. here, even often an error in the extract of the document mattered. And then I also had nothing against the mistake in my nationality.
So believe me, there are no "Ukrainians" in Ukraine. This nationality appeared in the early 20s of the last century and ordinary Russian people began to be recorded in it.
And Rusyns lived in the Austrian Empire (the same Russians, but cut off from the Russian state), so they were the first to be recorded as “Ukrainians” during WWI - during the punitive operations against the Rusyns from 1915, who welcomed the liberation of Volhynia and Galicia by Russian troops in 1914
In 1917, after the collapse of the Western Front, all Little Russia was under the occupation of the German-Austrian troops. And the Austrian General Staff began its program of creating "Ukraine" in Little Russia, with the help of its agents and calabers. That was later continued by the Bolsheviks, in whose ranks there were already quite a few Austrian agents ... well, due to the peculiarities of the Civil War and the fight against foreign intervention.
And it was the role of the Austrian General Staff in the creation of "Ukraine" and Ukrainians as a political (!) Movement that the late Oles Buzina revealed in his books, films and programs.
I knew about the role of the Austrian General Staff exactly from the primary sources and was very surprised that at such a time and at such a level a person dared to speak on such dangerous topics ...
Ukrainians are a political trend ... like liberalism in the Russian Federation ... like a "community of Navalny's supporters" ... And people in Little Russia, Novorossiya, Slobozhanshchina ... and even in Galicia are Russians. Genetically and according to historical references, archival data and family metrics. The renaming just happened.
In several stages.
This continues to this day.
And success has ONLY because of Russia's inaction.

[bayard]

That's right, Tatyana, but unfortunately the Russian authorities are not able and do not want to act in the interests of the Russian people, and in the interests of other indigenous peoples of Russia ... These are all facets of one game.

[sedoj]

Quote: Hyperion

And so we have a bunch of national minorities with their own problems.

With problems, but no territory.

[Hypertension]

Quote: sedoj

With problems, but no territory.

How is it "without territory"? Chechnya, Dagestan, aren't they separate republics, where Russian law, in most cases, is just a fiction?

[sedoj]

in most cases just a fiction?

While the center will flirt with them.
As long as the law does not apply to everyone equally, it is not a law, but a rule that will always have exceptions.

[Hypertension]

Quote: sedoj

While the center will flirt with them.

So far, it is not noticeable that the center is going to stop these flirting. Look, the maroon berets have already suffered from these flirting.

[sedoj]

Quote: Hyperion

Look, the maroon berets have already suffered from these flirting.

They suffered - it says loudly. It just suddenly became known to everyone. In any closed structure, there are similar incidents. "Children of generals" has not yet been canceled.

[Hypertension]

Quote: sedoj

They suffered - it says loudly. It just suddenly became known to everyone.

Are you saying that fraudulently obtaining a maroon beret is a common occurrence? Just before that, such cases were not disclosed? Do I understand you correctly?

[sedoj]

Quote: Hyperion

Are you saying that fraudulently obtaining a maroon beret is a common occurrence? Just before that, such cases were not disclosed? Do I understand you correctly?

"Frequent occurrence" are your words. My words: "There are similar incidents in any closed structure. Nobody has canceled the" Generals' children "yet."

[Hypertension]

Quote: sedoj

In any closed structure, similar incidents exist.

Until now, the honor of the maroon berets has been undeniable. I don’t know how the krapoviks were with the “children of generals” (to be honest, I doubt that the “children of generals” have a desire to experience at least a part of what candidates for the maroon beret withstand), but with the “children of the mountains” it turned out very badly ...

[By]

Quote: Finches

Kazakhstan is a primordially Russian territory! If the Kazakhs do not believe in it, tomorrow they will become the primordially Chinese territory ... There is no third option!

UNWAYS Eugene! And the Chinese will not stand on ceremony with them, they will drive the cattle back into yurts to graze
They do not understand this yet, Nazarbvev tried to explain something, but.
No offense Kazakhs, but without Russia they will crush you right away .. And your show-off will not save you

[SKVichyakow]

The ball is run not by the Chinese, but by the mattress covers. Everything floats from there, however, as well as everywhere where they are present.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Genom

And the Chinese will not stand on ceremony with them, they will drive the cattle back into yurts

when the Chinese cross the road to the main family, they quickly put them in the stall

[sedoj]

Quote: Finches

Kazakhstan is a primordially Russian territory! If the Kazakhs do not believe in it, tomorrow they will become the primordially Chinese territory ... There is no third option!

Why isn't there a third? There is also Turkey is not bad, so beads are dangling.

[xASPIDx]

The Chinese simply do not need them, they simply do not need them, even for nothing they can take everything that is there.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

There is no third

That's right, no second is given.

[Clone]

I still remember the statistical table in the regiment ... Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Kazakhs ... the peoples of Central Asia with a breakdown, the peoples of Transcaucasia with a breakdown, the peoples of the North Caucasus ... Kazakhs were always put on a par with the Slavs. Fools ...

[viva_cuba]

Yaroslavl, Tver, Vladimir, Novgorod, Moscow, Arkhangelsk, Smolensk, Pskov, etc. - these are the primordially Russian lands! They are empty and soon the Russians will stop cultivating them altogether. But the Uzbeks will come and everything will bloom again :))

[knn54]

"Russians in Kazakhstan, from pioneers and founders, have gradually turned into a kind of" dung "on which other peoples have grown."
This was said more than a century ago by the prime minister and reformer Pyotr Stolypin, who mastered, including the WILD steppe, with the help of Russian peasant settlers.

[Thrifty]

So, for a long time in the media and social networks there have been massive stories of the Russians themselves that they are politely pushed around there, they are being bullied with might and main, and they are demanding to leave Kazakhstan! The suppression of this information does not paint our authorities, the Russians need to be returned to Russia. To speed up the process of issuing passports to them, to give them land, to help in assimilation. Our country expresses itself, we need to return people to the country, and not hide an ostrich's head in the sand, ignoring the problem!

[ximkim]

The fewer people, the fewer problems.
So, more migrants from other countries.

[Finches]

Only tanks! Uncle Vova is not a military man and is a little weak at the knees!

[Ryaruav]

Evgeny, Uncle Vova has long been weak in mind

[210ox]

You see, someone is offended for "Uncle Vova" ... And what can be done, the masters of life are pressing on him. Who benefits from the growth of foreigners in Russia. More gaster, more profit .. And then the Russians are very proud of steel, they do not want to work for a pittance!

[Observer2014]

You see, someone is offended for "Uncle Vova" ... And what can be done, the masters of life are pressing on him. Who benefits from the growth of foreigners in Russia. More gaster, more profit .. And then the Russians are very proud of steel, they do not want to work for a pittance!

Oh yes, and you noticed it! Really. So it will go further and you can raise my comments three or four years ago to the mountain.

[Beringovsky]

Quote: 210ox

... More gaster, more profit .. And then the Russians are very proud of steel, they do not want to work for a pittance!

I think it's not just about profit. This technique - divide and conquer - was known in antiquity, even long before the Romans. These management methods are millennia old. The Assyrians also resettled entire nations to a new place. Being there, surrounded by old-timers on the lands actually taken from them, the new settlers became the most loyal supporters of the central government, since they could only rely on it.
It looks like the same policy is in our government. Get loyal hordes of migrants in Russian cities, and if something happens, bump their heads against their masters.

[Azis]

If Russians (Russian-speaking, bearers of Russian culture and values) were needed by Russia, they would be defended like the Americans are their own, or they would be dragged into the country in different ways at the state level, and not just passports (without registration at the place of residence) would be handed out. Many do not have the material opportunity to change their place of residence - there they can sell everything for a pittance, but with what and where to live in Russia? Passed already from the end of the 80s to the beginning of 14 years. Suitcase-Station-Russia. Many stayed with their suitcases. The Russian state, now, does not need them.

[mitroha]

Quote: Thrifty

help in assimilation.

Somewhere you missed, correct.

Assimilation-fusion of one people with others with the loss of one of them of their language, culture, nat. self-awareness.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Thrifty

So, for a long time in the media and social networks there have been massive stories of the Russians themselves that they, politely speaking, are being bullied with might and main.

And why, where my parents lived in the Smolensk region, I saw in a simple Russian village, in 1992, a couple of dozen Russian refugees from Kazakhstan, if everything was so good there? Why did they run away?

[ugol2]

Are you from Kazakhstan?

[Charlie]

Kazakhs and Russians do not get along peacefully. Kazakhs are all nationalists and don't like Russians

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Charlie

Kazakhs and Russians do not get along peacefully. Kazakhs are all nationalists and don't like Russians

it happens for everyone. But always when they are in the minority they are very friendly and welcoming people.

[Charlie]

It's not about the minority. They are in the majority in Kazakhstan. If you go to Kazakhstan as a tourist, you will receive a warm welcome. If you want to live there, you will very quickly understand who is the owner of the country.

[venik]

Quote: Shurik70

Preventing this is an important state task.
There will always be someone who wants to profit from these conflicts.
Or inflate them.

=======
Do you think that Ermek Taychibekov is trying "profit"? I don't think so! Perhaps because during the term in the SA and the" business trip "I had to meet with all sorts of guys from all over the USSR! We had 3 Russians, 2 Ukrainians (one of them owes his life!), An Azeri, an Uzbek , Kazakh and guys from other lands ... And he commanded us - Estonian... ALL were these are the guys!: Almost everyone died! .....
And then it began! .... The collapse of the Union .... "Scattering" in the huts "" Saklyam ", huts" .........
Who is this horror (the collapse of the Great Country) did not survive - that DO NOT UNDERSTAND !!!!
And who survived - they hold on to each other!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: venik

And we were commanded by an Estonian ... ALL there were guys like that !: Almost all of them died! ..

At that time we were all Soviet people, and we were above nationality. I myself am zhtl and live in Estonia, And who created the collapse on the national soil, we all know. But you can't put those people in the same rank with the people of 2021. We were not the same, although we were different, but we were one.

[venik]

Quote: tihonmarine

At that time we were all Soviet people, and we were above nationality.

=======
Vlad, I would say even more: then we ALL were everything ONE nationality: Soviet People (Soldiers and Officers!)! And the Commander died. As it should be Soviet Commander: covering the retreat of their guys who carried away the wounded and shell-shocked ....... Eternal memory to him!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: venik

the commander died. As it should be for a Soviet Commander: covering the retreat of his guys who carried away the wounded and shell-shocked ....... Eternal memory to him!

I know how people die, eternal memory!

[venik]

Quote: tihonmarine

I know how people die, eternal memory!

=========
Thanks! So we are with you - One blood!
PS God forbid to see HOW PEOPLE die! It's even worse to see FRIENDS die!

[aybolyt678]

Quote: tihonmarine

but we were one.

we declared it ... but do you know that in the Soviet Union there was a republic in which the state language was Georgian?

[fruc]

_simply (khan Oros hal
But it seems that the Russians are not the main object of hatred there.

Well, thank God, it's not the main one yet! Thank you, you reassured me, otherwise we are very worried here.

[Hypertension]

Quote: _simply

But it seems that the Russians are not the main object of hatred there.

All non-Kazakhs (except for Russians and Germans) were already registered by the Kazakhs. The Russians are not touched because they are afraid - Russia is nearby.

[elai]

They hide the truth ... they shut their mouths, Kazakhs have been stirring up nationalism in Kazakhstan for a long time. all the most delicious positions for indigenous Kazakhs, and it's all the same that Russian was born in Kazakhstan and spent his whole life there ... Russian by nationality, all second grade ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: elai

Kazakhs have been stirring up nationalism in Kazakhstan for a long time

my dad was the chief engineer at the enterprise. In Soviet times, it was a common practice for the head of the Kazakh Russian deputy.
Another thing is that the Kazakh playing for the Russians really wants to help

[Million]

The Russian government is stirring up ethnic hatred by importing wagons of migrants into Russia and turning a blind eye to the behavior of our southern brothers.

[Egoza]

Nursultan Nazarbayev, the first president of Kazakhstan to hold the title of Leader of the Nation, has repeatedly denied that modern Kazakhstan has any ancient roots as a state entity. “Kazakhstan, Kazakhs have never had a border. There has never been statehood within the outlined borders of today, ”he said on 24 August 2005 on national television. “There was never a Kazakh state, because it had no borders,”

Kazakhstan as a state was formed thanks to Russia, so there is no need to roll a barrel on the Russians!

[ximkim]

Still as you can roll.

[Albert1988]

Quote: ximkim

Still as you can roll.

Well then, let them not be offended that the Russians will roll a barrel at them ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: ximkim

Still as you can roll.

and the reason for what can you name?

[Alexander 3]

Who mastered the virgin lands? Why is there such a city of Tselinograd. How many Kazakhs earn money in Russia? I once took part in harvesting both in the Stavropol Territory and in Kazakhstan. In Kazakhstan, no one asked me, where are you from and what are you doing here? Nationality was of no interest to anyone.

[Kuzmitsky]

If not for migrants, for example, from Tajikistan, Moscow would have drowned long ago in mountains of garbage. For Muscovites do not go to work as janitors. As for the "wagons of migrants," why not send them to the development of sparsely populated regions of the country, and not to overloaded Russian megacities. Well, of course, you need to interest them, not to the detriment of your people. Then there will be no strife. ...

[210ox]

But there is no need to turn Russia into "Maskvabad". Maybe it is worth seeing piles of garbage on the streets of Moscow. That would someone combed it.

[Egoza]

Quote: 210ox

Maybe it is worth seeing piles of garbage on the streets of Moscow. That would someone combed it.

It is elementary to increase the wages of the janitors and prohibit all private traders from paying less than the minimum.

[Bumblebee_3]

Fidget (Elena)
I'm the head of the housing office (funny). According to the documents, Ivanova, Petrova, Sidorova work for me. Are you offering to raise their salaries? Yes, no problem, let them raise! And as Rovshan and Dzhamshut worked for 15-20 sput, they will continue to work! Just keep in mind that I will put the difference after the salary increase into my pocket. In addition, I do not pay for sick leave for Rovshan, I fell ill - these are your problems, let Dzhamshut take the rap for you. If I don't like it, it’s like a tablecloth, get out of here.
It's not about raising wages! The problem goes much deeper

[Egoza]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

According to the documents, Ivanova, Petrova, Sidorova work for me. Are you offering to raise their salaries? Yes, no problem, let them raise! And as Rovshan and Dzhamshut worked for 15-20 sput, he wakes up to work!

Do you have any inspection bodies?

[Bumblebee_3]

Fidget (Elena)
For a certain bribe, they "cover" me!

[Egoza]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

For a certain bribe, they "cover" me!

Y-yes! Here is how not to remember Comrade Stalin !!! Together with Dzerzhinsky!

[Bumblebee_3]

Fidget (Elena)
"Well, now is not the 37th year!" These are not my words! The realities of our time

[Egoza]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

"Well, now is not the 37th year!"

But in vain! Very useful in some cases! IMHO

[Bumblebee_3]

Fidget (Elena)
I will answer as a liberal. Do you want to go to the GULAG?

[Bumblebee_3]

Fidget (Elena)
This is what I answered! And Solzhenitsina is now in schools !!!! teach!

[Bumblebee_3]

Fidget (Elena)
Good night to you! See you on the site! Went to bed, work tomorrow morning.

[edmed]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

I'm the head of the housing office (funny)

In the vastness of the Internet there was such a bike - "The place of the head of the housing office in Moscow is for the green people, it fights back in one and a half or two years."

Quote: Bumblebee_3

The problem goes much deeper

[Shket53]

Nope ... maximum ... 3 months ... and if in an elite ... even I'm afraid to lie ... and for a long time already no longer "lam green"

[edmed]

Quote: Shket53

Shket53 (Andrey)

Well, we, in the Siberian swamps, do not know what is there in the capital, everything is from the godless Internet, and as a tsar - the priest will not impose an anathema on him?

[Gardamir]

It's elementary to increase the salary of the janitors,

everything is much more complicated
https://publizist.ru/blogs/114196/41116/-

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Egoza

Elementary wipers salary increase

You cannot force a private trader to increase the salary of employees ... there is no such law ..., there is only a minimum salary, everything else depends on the profit of the private trader ...

and prohibit all private traders from paying less than the minimum

So and so there is a ban, in each constituent entity of the Russian Federation there is a minimum, read the periodicals and everything will become clear to you ...

[2 Level Advisor]

options to interest them?

[Million]

Wouldn't drown. Trash just from such guests

[Azis]

Quote: Kuzmitsky

why not direct them to the development of sparsely populated areas of the country

because

Quote: Kuzmitsky

If not for the migrants ... Moscow would have drowned long ago in the mountains of garbage.

For some reason, locals work in the periphery, in the communal services, the salary, of course, does not suit - they would be happy to receive a Moscow migrant. M. b. to establish income limits in Moscow?

[minus]

In our city, janitors and now receive less minimum wage. 10-12 thousand. With a minimum salary in the region of 22 it seems. Before withholding taxes.

[210ox]

I would also like to add on your suggestion regarding resettlement according to Mother Russia. Welcome to specialists, scientists (although where are they from) .. Yes, to return the Russians home, everyone who wants to. Believe me, unfortunately it won't be enough - whoever wanted to, he left already. Provide preferences to people. Only not as with a hectare in the Far East ... And all the rest are foreigners ... Only when the rules of a normal human hostel are accepted under the signature. Are you trying to establish your own rules? Knee in the ass! To auls, villages!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 210ox

Believe me, unfortunately it won't be enough - whoever wanted to, he left already.

Believe me, there will be a lot, but there are many reasons why not everyone can leave this from the fact that the authorities of the republics are stupid, to a simple lack of money, you do not need to move to the next street

[210ox]

I do not understand how the authorities of these republics can interfere if these people are expected in Russia? Handcuff them at the train station, prevent them from selling their homes? So people left and abandoned everything. Another thing is that they are not expected here. And people understand this very well

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 210ox

I do not understand how the authorities of these republics can interfere if these people are expected in Russia?

when did you move the thread for permanent residence ?!
you are stupidly not given an exit and, accordingly, the documents on the basis of which you can legalize in the Russian Federation

Quote: 210ox

So people left and threw everything

do not tell anyone, this happens when they are already killed

Quote: 210ox

not letting your home be sold?

by the way, this was also in Kazakhstan in the mid-90s there was a ban on the sale of housing when leaving for permanent residence, and now it is easier to come and call such a price that you want to take an ax, while they say we will wait a little longer and give it away

[210ox]

I don’t know about Kazakhstan, but my relatives left Kyrgyzstan in 2005 with. Tyup is fine.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

in the ninth year, I had to leave the Republic of Kazakhstan illegally, since there was a small loophole in March, I left in July already this hole was covered
moreover, they do not give an exit according to leftist notions, my mother was not given permission because at the time of filing she was serving a sentence in a men's colony near alma-ata, to me that I did not have legal proceedings in real life
but if the refusal, you must protest it and submit a request for permission on a new

[Gardamir]

Muscovites don't go to work as janitors

or not?

[minus]

Yes, soon in general, Russians will not be taken anywhere. Not only wipers .... On hh.ru and superjob there are already vacancies from Sberbank and the subway. Required with knowledge of the Uzbek, Kyrgyz, Tajik languages ​​... Such a policy of the authorities can end very badly ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Kuzmitsky

If not for migrants, for example, from Tajikistan, Moscow would have drowned long ago in the mountains of garbage

stupidity and delirium
the problem is that a Tajik will live in a basement or container, but the same citizen of Russia, for example, there is no Tambov
under the Union, the janitors received albeit a small apartment, and the "Uzbek" would be accommodated in a container and he is happy, not to mention the fact that the employer does not pay any taxes for him
a week or two ago, but another talk show was made by such a freak with a complaint to the Russians that they say our figs will stay after work to do something, then they have to pay for their family, and the gastric will say without any problems and will do it until blue in the face.
so leave this nonsense about the fact that Russia will die without migrants from the SA, start paying your own as it should

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Kuzmitsky

If not for migrants, for example, from Tajikistan, Moscow would have drowned long ago in mountains of garbage. For Muscovites do not go to work as janitors.

An interesting statement, or maybe you forgot that until 1991 there was no rubbish in Moscow, and Moscow wipers were cleaning.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Kuzmitsky

If not for migrants, for example, from Tajikistan, Moscow would have long ago drowned in mountains of garbage.

Well, under the Soviet Union, she did not drown, and Muscovites, incl. worked as janitors historically they were Tatars ...

[ximkim]

Well, he will sit and think.

[Mavrikiy]

Representatives of different peoples live peacefully in Kazakhstan. Despite this, there are also nationalist citizens here.

Thugs are everywhere, the issue is the titular nation's impunity. Inciting ethnic hatred is a very handy article. How many were convicted on it in Kazakhstan and how many of them are Kazakhs? Then it will be clear what kind of friendship there is between peoples.

In particular, this is evidenced by last year's conflict between ethnic Kazakhs and Dungans, as a result of which ten people were killed.

Sorry for the man, our rulers, Lavrov, are not helping the Russians from Kazakhstan.

[Ryaruav]

this is a golden man thanks to such I am ready to change racist views, but he is one and I remain with my

[Eula]

A very careful article, was it worth it?

[Terenin]

Quote: Eula

A very careful article, was it worth it?

You can't keep an air bubble under water for a long time

[Clear]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Eula

A very careful article, was it worth it?

You can't keep an air bubble under water for a long time

Especially if there are a lot of them.

[p0pulivox]

Quote: 2 level advisor

Quote: Tatiana

This was the starting point for the Baltic countries and Ukraine.

cannot be compared .. in Tribaltia there were 30-40 percent of Russians, and in Ukraine all 70 .. and among Kazakhs 18 .. the difference between count half / more and a clear minority is noticeable .. and 18 percent is clearly not the same strength as 40-80% ..

Quote: Tatiana

Even if all of them without exception will study the Kazakh language, they are unlikely to speak fluently, let alone write in it, like Kazakhs.

Why? are they less capable than Kazakhs in linguistics?
let's just estimate .. in Kazakhstan, where 18% of Russians, there is the Kazakh language, it is an independent country from Russia, but forever should Russian be on a par with Kazakh? it seems just illogical ..
I am categorically against oppression in the Russian language .. but Kazakhstan is not Russia, and despite the fact that there is a clear minority of Russians there and are decreasing, you should not be surprised at what is happening, it will continue unfortunately ... can this change, yes, if we are one country ... otherwise No..

In the late 80s. in the Kazakh SSR, Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians were about 50% of the population of the republic ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: p0pulivox

In the late 80s. in the Kazakh SSR, Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians were about 50% of the population of the republic ...

Kazakhs were 18%

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Representatives of different peoples live peacefully in Kazakhstan.

not everything is so rosy there

[Sam-07]

Capitalism!!! Solidarity!!!! Nationalism !!! - Happiness !!!

[edmed]

Quote: Sam-07

Capitalism!!! Solidarity!!!! Nationalism !!! - Happiness !!!

Quote not from the original source but for quoting a quote, received "yellow card" , and so yes, today and tomorrow? "Che to think, you have to jump!"

[Sam-07]

"Feudalism, happiness, pray" (C) ?? ))
My previous comment is not a quote, but the meaning is clear))))

[Volos]

If the oppression of the Russians in Kazakhstan does not stop, then they will receive a new "Donbas" and the separation of the northern Russian territories, slaughtered by Kazakhstan by the Bolsheviks.
It is Russia that is the legal successor of the USSR, therefore, it has all the legal rights to cancel decisions made under the USSR.
China is actively penetrating into Central Asia and until the end of independence of the Central Asian republics there is not much time left, who will not be swallowed up by China and captured by the Taliban.
In order not to spoil relations with Russia, Kazakhstan will simply be divided between China and Russia along the former border of Russia and after a couple of decades no one will even remember that there was once a Kazakh SSR artificially created by Jewish communists ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Volos

created by Jewish communists

[AC130 Gunship]

Russians from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan have been fleeing for 20-25 years. I personally know several families who left there because of oppression. Some to Canada, some to Russia

[Roma 1977]

Even Kazakhs and Uzbeks are fleeing from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. Some - to Canada, some - to Russia.

[rotfuks]

Maybe not everyone knows, but under the tsarist regime, the Kazakhs did not exist as a nation at all. Under the king, Kazakhs were called Kirghiz-Kaisaks. It was already under Soviet rule that Stalin renamed the Kirghiz-Kaisaks into Kazakhs and generously cut off their territory from the Orenburg province, calling this region Northern Kazakhstan.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
"When the black Dzungar (Talib *) comes, the red-haired Russian will seem like a brother to you" ...
***

[rotfuks]

Your awareness of the affairs of sovereign Kazakhstan suggests that you belong to this republic. Are you not a famous blogger on one social network? The test word "Harvest"?

[ghby]

In my opinion, the Kazakhs have a problem in the north. The North maintains close relations with Russia. And in the event of a referendum on the issue of joining the Russian Federation, it can, like the Crimea, explode. Kazakhs see that we have order in comparison with them, and tribal relations are not so developed. In 2014, a Kazakh friend at the post office in KZ heard how two old women in a conversation dreamed of joining Russia. Thought Russian, turned to look and saw two Kazakh women.

[seacap]

Russians don't abandon their own? And what is this, like hundreds more in prisons around the world, which are not even remembered? In the Kyrgyz Republic, ethnic discrimination and violent Russophobia has been flourishing since the 90s, as in general throughout the entire Wed. Asia, where Russians and so on were slaughtered by whole families and streets, What kind of attitude should be expected from others, if they themselves, with their own hands, without any war and aggression, destroyed their state, betrayed their friends, giving up, despite their pleas and requests , to destroy the enemy? What kind of attitude should be expected when, thanks to the poor and mediocre, but ambitious and corrupt nobility, the upper class, they were scattered about the primordially Russian territories, collected and abundantly watered with the blood of Russian soldiers (Russians, of course, of all the peoples of RI). And about the CD, everyone has said more than once that processes are taking place there, and according to the "Square" scenario, but according to the eastern scenario, they are more cunning and quietly, with the same indifference and mediocrity of the policy of the Kremlin boyars. Taking into account the fact that, like the UR, the Kyrgyz Republic have never in history had their own statehood, and, in fact, their ethnic nationality, they decided to get some kind of individuality and self-identification in opposition and as a project of anti-Russia. Most of all, it pisses me off that our comprador, "gifted" nobility, whose life is successful, from the "effective managers" does nothing to tightly control the processes on their essentially territories, to protect Russian interests, such inaction is more like direct and blatant sabotage, the purposeful surrender of their territories to the enemy under colonial rule.

[ximkim]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: ximkim

Still as you can roll.

and the reason for what can you name?

Because the Kremlin is pursuing such a foreign and domestic policy.

[riwas]

All signs of Nazism, which was in Germany during Hitler's time. "Only the chimney is lower and the smoke is thinner."

[orionvitt]

More diggers, this time from the Caspian Sea and Lake Issyk-Kul. They forgot the illnesses that they became Kazakhs only in 1936. However, it turns out that the shepherds have a history of at least 10000 years. I forgot to ask, but did they have a written language before the Russians? Now pounce on that type was the Arabic script. It's already funny.

[Kid Yesterday]

What you need from the shepherds, live your own life, and if it sticks, come up with and give writing, Methodius you are autumn

[Kid Yesterday]

There are city-level madmen, and there are state-level madmen

[iouris]

The leadership of the Russian Federation abandoned the Union and the republics. The republics wanted to stay in the Union. The Turks give them an alliance. Question: who is the legal successor of the USSR?

[Rostislav]

Representatives of different peoples live peacefully in Kazakhstan.

Who are you telling this to? Only those who get news exclusively from TV will believe.
My brother has a wife from Ust-Kamenogorsk, her relatives are still there. The Russians became very bad there.

[Yellow bubble]

Kazakhs, we taught you to write while standing, and all that you have is our Russian gifts !!!