A video of the new version of the Kalashnikov PPK-20 submachine gun appeared on the web

Concern "Kalashnikov" has released a new video dedicated to the prototype of the 9-mm PPK-20 submachine gun, developed in the interests of the Ministry of Defense.

The 50-second video was posted on the Concern's official You-Tube channel.

This video is not the first, before that, the Kalashnikov concern posted a video about the PPK-20 a year ago, in early October 2020. As stated in the description of the video, in the video a prototype of the 9-mm PPK-20 submachine gun is viewed "literally under a microscope." Noteworthy is the title of the video, which says that this is a new version of the submachine gun.

The PPK-20 submachine gun was developed as part of the Vityaz-MO development work (ROC) on the basis of the Vityaz-SN PP, which has been serially produced since 2005, taking into account the comments and shortcomings identified during its operation. The official name of the new weapons sounds like: "9 mm Kalashnikov submachine gun PPK-20".

The 9mm Kalashnikov PPK-20 submachine gun is named after Viktor Mikhailovich Kalashnikov. Overall length - 600-660 mm, weight without ammunition - 2,6 kg, barrel length 182 mm, cartridge - 9x19 Luger, magazine capacity - 30 rounds. In the first video, slightly different parameters were given: total length - 640-700 mm, barrel length - 233 mm, weight - 3,65 kg (possibly equipped), the other parameters are the same.

The PPK-20 includes: a muffler, a belt with one-point and two-point fastening, a special bag for carrying magazines, related equipment and cleaning agents.

In early September of this year, it was reported that PK-20 entered the portable emergency reserve (NAZ) of fighter, assault and bomber pilots. aviation VKS RF. The decision was made by the Ministry of Defense.

Comments

[Alexga]

Well, they created a unit under someone else's patron and WHAT? Why is Aksu better? There the cartridge is much better. All this is strange. First, they create a weapon, and then come up with a task for it.

[Andrey Moskvin]

This is a PP, for him the task has long been invented - personal self-defense.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

This is a PP, for him the task has long been invented - personal self-defense.

Not in the military case, which was also invented for a long time.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

In this case, it is under the muffler (PBS). AKSu has too powerful a cartridge, the silencer does not work on it.

[venik]

Quote: AlexGa

Well, they created a unit under someone else's cartridge and WHAT? Why is Aksu better? There the cartridge is much better.

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It depends - what is better for ... For the Army, perhaps yes! AKSU may look better ... But for police officers functions (including for riot police and other special forces of the FSB, Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc.) - AKSU - absolutely not good! It was not used because of a good life - it was just that there was nothing more suitable ...
Well, for the pilot, by and large, everything is the same: if they shoot him down over enemy territory, then the guys with full-fledged machine guns and assault rifles, against which, that PPK-20, that AKSU - almost no chance ...

[Alexga]

Vladimir, for the army is absolutely unnecessary, for the rest I will not judge, not my element. The question is about the patron. Buy or produce at home? And if neither the cartridge nor the license is sold? So the question arises: "What is all this for." I think they created it for sale abroad, and the rest of the verbal accompaniment for domestic consumption.

[venik]

Quote: AlexGa

Vladimir, for the army is absolutely unnecessary, for the rest I will not judge, not my element.

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Yes! And the pilots - after the ejection WHAT to defend? PM-ohm? Alas, Alexander! This version of the model was just "adjusted" in size to "fit" into the dimensions of the cockpit chair! That's why they shortened it!
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Quote: AlexGa

The question is about the patron. Buy or produce at home? And if neither the cartridge nor the license is sold?

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Why buy? What is the "license" for? This PP can work both on 9x19 Para, and on domestic 7N321 and 7P31 (the same 9x19)!

[Alexga]

domestic 7N321 and 7P31 (the same 9x19)

Probably 7H21 and 7H31. This was already created after my service, did not come across these samples. I would like to know to what extent the troops are equipped with them. And the results of the operation of such weapons. And how to conduct fire training of personnel for an aircraft crew with this weapon? Are there any reviews yet?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You don't have to worry about the mass character of the patron. There is a transition from PM to Lebedev pistol chambered for exactly the same cartridge.

[I am not a robot]

this submachine gun is just starting to be delivered, what are the results

[venik]

Quote: AlexGa

Probably 7H21 and 7H31.

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Surely! I just managed to press 2 keys with one finger ( ) so it turned out 7N321!
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Quote: AlexGa

This was already created after my service, did not come across these samples. I would like to know to what extent the troops are equipped with them.

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Sergey Aleksandrovich has already answered this question (see below) - this is 9x18PM - it is already a thing of the past, along with the good old PM ... And all new short barrels (including PP) are created under 9x19 (already mentioned 7N21 and 7N31) and 9x21.
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I didn’t shoot myself - I didn’t have a chance: like you, I am familiar only with PM and a little bit with PSM. But I heard from my acquaintances that there are very good reviews about the new cartridges, such as: "It was high time to do this!"
Have a nice day!

[Sahalinets]

For so long we have been producing the Parabellum cartridge. They are made in Tula, Barnaul, Novosibirsk. And no licenses are needed, patent rights expired long ago.

[I am not a robot]

but for the army it is not offered, only pilots in the
the cartridge is produced in Russia, what licenses are you talking about
the army and the police are switching to the 9 * 19 cartridge, so if they buy it for us and abroad

[YOUR]

They did not create, but simply rearranged the PP-19 chambered for 9 * 19 and that's it.
About the same during the Second World War, the Germans, having captured our PPSh, put other barrels under the cartridge 9 * 19 and announced the creation of their new PP

[Flooding]

In the first video, slightly different parameters were given: total length - 640-700 mm

Frightened by the waves of critical comments on VO and quickly shortened

[alystan]

Submachine gun: where is the pistol and where is the machine gun (in the classical sense)?
I only see a machine gun ...

[Kurare]

Quote: alystan

I only see a machine gun ...

During the Second World War, the PPSh was also called a submachine gun. And so, you are right, AKMS with a thin horn and modern body kits.

He's a bit heavy for a PP. Even if 3,65 kg is the curb weight, it is still a bit too much.

[Barberry25]

only it works on the energy of the free shutter and not from the piston)

[venik]

Quote: Kurare

And so, you are right, AKMS with a thin horn and modern body kits.

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Uh-huh ..... And also a completely DIFFERENT principle of operation of the automatics: not on the basis of the removal of powder gases (for a pistol cartridge - this is practically impossible to implement!), But on the recoil energy of the free bolt!
And it also differs from AKMS - in dimensions (AKMS - certainly DO NOT push into an ejection seat, from the word: in general! Even the AKS-74U is difficult!
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Quote: Kurare

He's a bit heavy for a PP. Even if 3,65 kg is the curb weight, it is still a bit too much.

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In fact, this modification has a much less curb weight: 2.85 kg (!), Which is generally quite normal!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: alystan

where is the pistol and where is the machine gun (in the classical sense)?

In the store where the cartridges are, look for ...

[Catfish]

Well, they sailed ... You write comments on the weapons site and don't know the elementary stuff.

I only see a machine gun ...

You see a submachine gun. This is a weapon for continuous fire under a pistol cartridge.

An assault rifle is called (only in Russia) an assault weapon made for an intermediate cartridge and capable of continuous fire.

[alystan]

Well, why did you get so startled, I’m just some kind of correspondence between the meanings of the words - a pistol and a machine gun, although it is heard by everyone and, as it were, found its place in the generally accepted vocabulary. It's a pity I didn't put two or three closing parentheses for the "picky" ones.
Understand what you want, but a pistol is something in a holster (albeit with a clip in the handle), a machine gun, by analogy, something like "Maxim", at least , and the machine gun, I will probably agree with the PPSh, because all the war films seen in childhood have an association with it. And then in childhood, when we played war games, it made no difference to us what or from what to "fill" the magazines of our machine guns and pistols. Yes, we did not care, since we simply did not understand this yet. So, if you like, it is my childish logic to blame, in the sense that why the hell should I mix everything up? And the question was just rhetorical ... I apologize if there is anything for the "dust" raised by the verbal skirmish raised by me.

[Catfish]

It's a pity I didn't put two or three closing brackets for especially "picky ones.

They would have put it)), so I wouldn't get in. And judging by the films of our childhood, any German "machine gun" was called "Schmeisser".
And the Germans themselves in the cinema, at times, were portrayed like this:

I didn’t use our films as an example.

[venik]

Quote: alystan

Submachine gun: where is the pistol and where is the machine gun (in the classical sense)?
I only see a machine gun ...

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In the "classical sense", this is an automatic weapon using PISTOL cartridges (!), And assault rifles and automatic carbines (we have stuck with the name "automatic") - use the so-called" intermediate "cartridges with a bottle sleeve, which is something in between pistol and rifle cartridges!

[I am not a robot]

here the comments are already like under the videos in YouTube (idiotic), like a more serious site

[Alex777]

Outwardly it looks good. Contemporary.
Hope it is high quality and reliable.

[Alex777]

It's funny. Do minus officials hope that the PPK-20 will break down?
I know everything about him. Except that I wished him so awkwardly.

[I am not a robot]

and for what the minuses are put, for the wishes, what for nonsense

[Chilean Abalon]

As I understand it, Ryabov Kirill's article about PPK-20 will be published soon in the Armament section.

[Alex_You]

And how does it differ from PP-19-01?

[I am not a robot]

just modified PP-19-01

[Pete mitchell]

that PK-20 was included in the portable emergency stock (NAZ) of pilots
It would be better to have done something compact that fits more or less comfortably under the suspended ...

[75 Sergey]

And what ammunition does he have?
Probably not bad for close combat.

[beeper]

How many times have VO readers already written, and the viewers on the YouTube channel of the "Concern Kalashnikov", in the hope that the clip-makers or KK functionaries will read and take into account for the future ?!

"Concern Kalashnikov", DO NOT REMOVE your "advertising" WEAPON VIDEO ON A BLACK BACKGROUND - NOTHING IS VISIBLE to your "target audience"!

And nothing has changed!
All the same, what if, they say, "our business is to crawl (to note that they have filmed another" commercial "?!), but there, though, do not dawn (gouge out the eyes and mascara the light?!)" ??!

[carstorm 11]

Everything is visible there. All modern devices come from HD. With such a picture, everything can be clearly seen there. And you should replace yours because in our time it is bad manners)

[beeper]

Waking up to you, carstorm 11, settle down with your pretentious "tips"!
The fact that, not being a clip-maker or a KK functionary (??), you "fit in" to be responsible for them is a real "bad manners"!
And your "justification" is so-so!
Reduce the "degree of snobbery" and just turn on your head!
After all, not all VO readers have a large HD-monitor with stationary high-speed Internet in front of them!
Many people use mobile "devices" connected to the mobile network!
For example, personally, to watch YouTube and movies, I often use a regular smartphone (I have a fairly new one, from last year's best models, decent in terms of "functionality"), usually covered with a 4G network, but it does not always function normally on our factory outskirts ! Therefore, the screen resolution settings are not HD, so as not to "slow down"!
And, here is such an "annoying quirk", with my optimal settings, I "look great" at all films and videos, except for these blackened "clips" of KK!
What, on the pages of VO, I tried to "appeal" to the effective managers of KK (since I have often met similar requests and remarks from other viewers in the comments on YouTube and on VO)!
But, from a bunch of bugs (probably out of a selfish desire to indulge in some of your own "complexes", pretentious "make yourself up" ?!), you, carstorm 11, "fit in" for KK, and began to distribute unsolicited "advice" ?!
What an obvious "bad manners" (since this French concept is familiar to you ?!) on your part, not only "in our time", but also in any other!

[carstorm 11]

Well, your calmness is up to me to the lantern. As for the monitor, this is deeply your grief. All advertising products are filmed in high resolution, if for a simple reason, a good monitor costs quite adequate money. I also look at smart. Or on the TV screen if at home. And I can see everything perfectly. If you are so annoyed by the advice, then you can simply ignore it and not scribble a footcloth. Snobbery ... blah blah blah. Everyone sees what he wants. On my part, it was just an opinion.

[I am not a robot]

but about the MP-5 they said how great it was (PP in size and mass m-16)

[Observer2014]

Oh, I would have bought it. It's a pity that it is impossible.

[I am not a robot]

why not, it will be possible only without automatic mode

[Observer2014]

why not, it will be possible only without automatic mode

He and nafig is not needed, without automatic mode But in his normal state !!! ... Even, very much yes. How would I buy myself personally.

[I am not a robot]

then don't buy this one

[agoran]

I don't think this is a good solution.
I shot from Kedr (PP-91), distance 25-30 meters, also a pistol cartridge, pine ~ 25 cm there was no penetration.
But the Yugoslavian AK m92, an analogue of AKMSU, but chambered for 7.62, it would be interesting to try.

[MauZerR]

Quote: pishchak

How many times have VO readers already written, and the viewers on the YouTube channel of the "Concern Kalashnikov", in the hope that the clip-makers or KK functionaries will read and take into account for the future ?!

"Concern Kalashnikov", DO NOT REMOVE your "advertising" WEAPON VIDEO ON A BLACK BACKGROUND - NOTHING IS VISIBLE to your "target audience"!

And nothing has changed!
All the same, what if, they say, "our business is to crawl (to note that they have filmed another" commercial "?!), but there, though, do not dawn (gouge out the eyes and mascara the light?!)" ??!

Well, Duc black on black can be seen badly, but about "analogue" you can hear well. I cannot understand one thing: why do pilots need it? For complacency? Is it very convenient to carry not 1kg pistol, but 3kg PP after an emergency landing while walking through the bushes? The downed pilot and the survivor must not engage the enemy, his task is to go to the evacuation point avoiding fire contacts. He alone, even with a minigun, will not do anything against an armed group. In Kalashnikov, there are all Rembs, bat, give the pilots a normal pistol, they don't need any other weapon, moreover, it is harmful! For the FSB or the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the city, this is a suitable weapon, because God forbid to shoot from AKSU or other SHV-reproach among civilians oh, how fraught with innocent corpses from banal ricochets.

[beeper]

MauZeR, well, so, "KoKa" commerce is clearly "just to shake off their existing products" for the next "campaign", and there "at least the grass does not grow" ("at least the pilot don’t live"?)!
The KK did not find it difficult to put themselves in the shoes of the downed pilot and look at everything with his eyes without bias!
Otherwise, the pilots would not have been offered such a clearly inappropriate weapon (and, as in the song, literally "molded from what was")!
We didn’t work out the correct concept of “pilots' self-defense weapon”, and therefore it is wrong (again, this is only from the “flight” point of view, but if “through the eyes” of the KK merchants, it is very profitable to find another “market niche” for selling their serial products, limited to "cosmetic design"!) "danced"!
But on a modern production base and from modern materials, of course, breaking away from the "AK base" well mastered by the Izhevsk residents, but completely unsuitable in this case, it was possible to create a really compact rapid-fire weapon specifically for the survival of downed pilots (and not leading them, obviously losing, fleeting defensive infantry battle with many times superior (in number and armament, because even the concentrated fire of several shooters of our defending pilot will be so "squeezed" that it will be impossible to raise his head, and the rest will be picked up to grab him alive or throw grenades!) , in his rear or front-line)!
As a child and in his youth, I read books about our Soviet pilots who fought in the skies of Spain and China, and then in the Finnish and in the Great Patriotic War, in the south, in the middle lane and in the Arctic, I know about many of their ordeals on our and foreign lands, after leaving the damaged car, about the pilot Kozlovsky, during the ejection from a supersonic fighter that injured his legs and crawled for a long time in the tundra taiga with a Makarov pistol ...
A few years ago, when this canoe began, in the USA and the Russian Federation, with the renewal of the pilots' arsenal in the glove compartment of the ejection seat, it was speculative at leisure (from the blind gunsmith designer Mikhail Margolin, still a schoolboy, I learned this by reading his book "I am a soldier still alive ") figured out what such a compact submachine gun could be, so that it would have a sufficient supply of cartridges in the store and a reasonable barrel length, lightweight, small-sized and not burdensome to wear and reliable in operation under any conditions.
Even with normal "overruns" of the shutter and "design reserves in length", everything turned out compactly enough, almost pocketable, "with a box (but not like the PP-90 and not on the" free shutter ")", the butt and the fire control handle folded and completely did not stick out, operated with one hand, literally immediately ready to open fire and easily hides in the folds of clothes.
So I saw it "through the eyes of a pilot", often wounded already in the air (and ejection, in itself, is also traumatic) and upon landing, forced to leave the landing site as soon as possible and hide all the time - "merge with the terrain", be " easy to climb "and with a light burden (only the most necessary and nothing superfluous, no little things, no gram!), inconspicuous and seemingly harmless (and if you really had to shoot, then do it as unexpectedly as possible for the enemy, and not" shine a weapon "from afar!)!
Therefore, I was surprised when, possessing such design and production resources, KK "gave birth to an old, old mouse from the 90s", and even such a weighty-dimensional one, sticking out in all directions, hooked on everything, with components "tsatzky" -weights!

[MauZerR]

That's it. The pilot needs something light, compact and ergonomic. Certainly not a PP in the dimensions of the AKS-74U and certainly not the AKS-74U or M-4 in the "American survivalist 1pc" version. Nah, this junk is not necessary for the pilot. He is not an infantryman and should not a priori fight alone against a group of riflemen, which is clearly equipped to search for him. The brainchild of the "kokoshnikovs" is only suitable as a weapon for law enforcement in peacetime. I would take a pistol, a modern plastic striker of the Glock type and a couple of magazines, no more, maybe instead of one spare magazine I would take a QD suppressor (silencer), if they press down, then I can't fight off the Kalash alone (I repeat - not RembA) , and for the hidden clearing of the road from adversaries in an especially extreme case (just for this the second store, equip it with subsonic cartridges) would be just right.
PS I am not a pilot, let alone a downed pilot, but they quickly wean off fighting alone against an organized group of airsoft fighters.

[MauZerR]

Quote: Intruder

Gentlemen, watching the video ... I saw the quality of the front sight (open sight "diopter" ) made of polyamide (or what kind of material ) sawed with a file or a rasp, you can see about the polishing you did not hear the final one (the risks and scuffs are perfectly visible), why did they show on this video, this is marvelous !?

Apparently hinting at "use red dot and don't cry"

[Reserve buildbat]

And why is everyone so attached to the picatinny rails and diopters? Dirt collectors, not to mention the fact that when the optics / collimator are installed, the mechanical sight cannot be used, and try using the diopter in the rain, when the "hole is flooded" or in the mud.

[MauZerR]

Quote: stock buildbat

And why is everyone so attached to the picatinny rails and diopters? Dirt collectors, not to mention the fact that when the optics / collimator are installed, the mechanical sight cannot be used, and try using the diopter in the rain, when the "hole is flooded" or in the mud.

Why do you need the notorious covitness (the ability to use mechanical sighting through the red dot)? This is crap. If the collimator dies, it can be stupidly removed, and pistols are worn with the Covitness, which they put the collimator on the bolt of the pistol bolt and cannot be thrown off as easily as with a picattini. And why is the diopter inconvenient in the rain? Dirt is easy to blow out if it gets in, corny with your mouth.

[Olgerd Gediminovich]

If you look at the history of the 20th century, the First World War led to the emergence of assault automatic weapons.
The Second World War showed that weapons for pistol and rifle cartridges cannot fully serve to perform all combat missions. The logical solution was the emergence of an intermediate cartridge and automatic weapons for it.
In the 21st century, all the armies of the world have come to a single decision. In service - various modifications of assault rifles / assault rifles for an intermediate cartridge (including compact and ultra-compact). A universal way has been found.
At the same time, the small dimensions of submachine guns, the possibility of concealed carrying, the use of subsonic ammunition when using PBS, reduced ricochet when working indoors are the main reasons that the PP remained in service with the police and special forces.

Let's go back to QC. A large advertising campaign was held to promote the idea of ​​MA / AM-17. A logical continuation of the AKS-74U. The subcompact is needed! (AK-104/105 still do not pull on a subcompact, although they are loved by special forces). But the company gradually died out due to lack of demand. And suddenly, at one of the exhibitions, high-ranking people poked at the modernized Vityaz - "We take, modify the current with a file, so that it was smaller and wrap it up. Let's give the pilots ..." And then it began! Vityaz-MO -> PPK-20 -> PPK-20U. And it's not over yet!
Well, why do pilots need PP? You can't put it in your bosom or holster. APS don't like it? Well, you can give "Chestnuts". Fits in a holster. Well, NAZ should have a full-fledged machine gun for an intermediate cartridge. They stopped making AKSU, so there are enough of them in warehouses. Run out, give AM-17.
For pilots in the United States, the GAU-5 / A, a folding version of the M4, is generally put in the NAZ. And 120 rounds. You can fight a little. And not just shoot yourself with dignity.

Regarding the new version of the PPK-20 for the Armed Forces. Finally, progress is not only in new stocks, trims and body kits (like cosmetic new generations in the automotive industry for the sake of marketing). Have you really given birth to a translator under your thumb? And we decided to do something with the piston stump rudiment (it will be interesting to see when the disassembly-assembly is published). So you look and they will invent a slide delay in 10 years ...