Zelensky: Crimea and the Black Sea should not belong to just one person

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that Crimea and the Black Sea should not belong to only one person, clearly implying Russian President Vladimir Putin. At the same time, he mentioned that Crimea is "Ukrainian".

According to the press service of Zelensky, he spoke about this, speaking to the cadets of the training center of the State Border Service of Ukraine in the Cherkasy region.



The President mentioned a joint international exercise in which Ukrainian border guards and military personnel of the North Atlantic Alliance participated. Speaking about the servicemen of the State Border Service of Ukraine, he noted that "they professionally and smoothly perform tasks on the same level as the best border guards and military personnel in Europe and the whole world."


According to Zelensky, the maneuvers "indicated" that the "Ukrainian" Crimea and the Black Sea water area cannot be considered as belonging to "one person", since they are "internationally recognized territories" and "borders of independent Ukraine."


The head of the Ukrainian state argues that the main priority of the world community should be the "return" of the Azov and Black Seas to the international legal field and ensuring safe navigation in these waters.

Earlier, the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine issued an "anti-occupation dictionary" that officials and journalists of the country are obliged to use. In particular, it recommends calling the return of Crimea to Russia a "Russian invasion" or "temporary occupation." It is noteworthy that in this glossary from the NSDC, the Great Patriotic War is referred to the "fakes" section.
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  1. +15
    21 October 2021 09: 18
    yes, let them forget about Crimea
    1. +24
      21 October 2021 09: 20
      I wonder if he is on Colombian coke or already on Afghan heroin? laughing
      1. +6
        21 October 2021 09: 27
        Quote: Finches
        I wonder if he is on Colombian coke or already on Afghan heroin?

        On the balcony he grows a local hakhlyavka (cannabis).
        1. +16
          21 October 2021 10: 14
          the West itself calls for compliance with the agreement not to violate postwar borders (WWII).

          Russia does not violate them: Crimea after WWII was in composition of Russia.
          1. +1
            23 October 2021 12: 55
            Agree! Of course, Crimea and the Black Sea should NOT belong to either Zelensky or Biden !!! laughing laughing laughing
      2. +14
        21 October 2021 09: 34
        According to Zelensky, the maneuvers "indicated" that the "Ukrainian" Crimea and the Black Sea water area cannot be considered as belonging to "one person."

        And this monkey is also seeking a meeting with VVP? He will continue to ride and remind of the joint exercises in which Ukrainian soldiers and servicemen of the North Atlantic Alliance participated, until he is kicked in the ass and thrown out of politics.
        1. +12
          21 October 2021 09: 57
          Quote: frruc
          until he gets kicked in the ass and kicked out of politics.

          Either I take her to the registry office, or she takes me to the prosecutor ... laughing it seems to me that this clown will not have time either to the registry office or to the prosecutor ... his fellow tribesmen will break
          1. +12
            21 October 2021 11: 18
            And they will do the right thing! Once upon a time I liked this comedian, and now, apart from contempt and disgust, he does not cause anything, Napoleon is not finished.
            1. +6
              21 October 2021 12: 34
              Quote: Kayala
              Once upon a time I liked this comedian, but now, apart from ...

              I'm sure you are not the only one, but the Napoleon is a direct confirmation: clowns have no place in politics
              1. +4
                21 October 2021 16: 35
                Quote: Pete Mitchell
                I'm sure you are not the only one, but the Napoleon is a direct confirmation: clowns have no place in politics

                Born a clown can't be a "napoleon."
            2. +6
              21 October 2021 12: 48
              Quote: Kayala
              not finished napoleon

              "Pug" !!! Napoleon does not pull, how do not pull laughing
          2. +4
            22 October 2021 12: 51
            his fellow tribesmen will tear

            Yes, no one will break anyone. Vaughn Yatsinyuku what kind of cars did they not come up with, and what? Lives itself does not grieve overseas. So Ze will end the term and he will leave with his beautiful wife to the Cote d'Azur, obviously already saved up a lot of money.
            1. +3
              22 October 2021 12: 56
              You still want to say that he was also unlucky with his fellow tribesmen. lol
              1. +3
                22 October 2021 16: 55
                he was also unlucky with his fellow tribesmen

                Why, I was even very lucky to be elected president right from the stage. And Ze probably thinks she's in the show.
              2. +1
                24 October 2021 15: 44
                With his fellow tribesmen, he raids Ukraine, simultaneously hanging chutzpu on the ears of Ukrainians about the intrigues of the Kremlin and Putin personally. Are there many Ukrainians in power in the Square? thrives in the desert only thanks to its meager resources and the "diligence" of usurers? Alas, they milk Russia, Ukraine, and the entire post-Soviet world.
                1. +1
                  24 October 2021 17: 21
                  I do not agree with you in everything, but I think there is a place to be.
                  cabbage the sons of Israel cut from all over the world ...
      3. avg
        +3
        21 October 2021 10: 09
        Quote: Finches
        I wonder if he is on Colombian coke or already on Afghan heroin?

        Whatever he was on, but what a giant of thought, what maxims he gives out ... A philosopher!
      4. +4
        21 October 2021 10: 59
        He's on the lard. Although if he takes off his pants, he will probably burn ...
      5. +2
        21 October 2021 11: 12
        Quote: Finches
        I wonder if he is on Colombian coke or already on Afghan heroin? laughing

        Where is the piano in the bushes? belay
      6. +3
        21 October 2021 12: 34
        Quote: Finches
        I wonder if he is on Colombian coke or already on Afghan heroin? laughing

        There is such a plant with a large root, horseradish is called, and it sits on it drinks
      7. +1
        21 October 2021 19: 42
        I wonder if he is on Colombian coke or already on Afghan heroin? laughing
        It looks like he already has a mix ... laughing
    2. +16
      21 October 2021 09: 21
      Quote: Teptyar
      yes, let them forget about Crimea

      It will be better if everyone forgets about the Outskirts ... I'm fed up already. Strongly. Rather, it would crumble into specific principalities ...
    3. Maz
      +3
      21 October 2021 10: 15
      The circus continues.
    4. +1
      21 October 2021 12: 34
      It's like when the hand is no longer and will not be, and the place where it was continues to hurt.
    5. +1
      22 October 2021 17: 24
      No, they won't forget. Their toad strangles, the toad of freebies and envy.
  2. +3
    21 October 2021 09: 19
    Is it in the "second" in any way begs? Quite a "clown" of the one who loses the measure of squeamishness.
  3. +4
    21 October 2021 09: 23
    Probably Ze wants Crimea to belong to "two people". Apparently he has personal business interests there, and the apartment is just the tip of the iceberg.
    1. +3
      21 October 2021 09: 29
      Quote: URAL72
      Apparently he has personal business interests there, and the apartment is just the tip of the iceberg.

      Read about OZET, you will understand where the legs grow from.
      1. 0
        24 October 2021 15: 50
        Igor Berkut spoke in sufficient detail about their, these very plans, behavior. There is no reason not to believe him, looking at what is happening.
  4. +4
    21 October 2021 09: 25
    According to Zelensky, the maneuvers "indicated" that the "Ukrainian" Crimea and the Black Sea water area cannot be considered as belonging to "one person",

    And such a desire was in Shlemazole, to get the Crimea and the adjacent waters of the Black Sea into its greedy, greedy hands. But it is not destiny to create "Crimean California", flew past like a basin over a bathhouse.
    1. +3
      21 October 2021 12: 56
      Quote: tihonmarine
      But it is not destiny to create "Crimean California"

      He is not going to create anything. Not able to! But to sell Crimea to the Americans and "weld" on it, this is his "golden dream".
      1. +4
        21 October 2021 13: 31
        Quote: Cube123
        He is not going to create anything. Not able to!

        No one doubts his abilities, but there are people who put the boy on the board for this. Since the 20s, they have been trying to create them on the territory of Crimea.
        1. +2
          21 October 2021 15: 54
          The idea, of course, is interesting. Thanks for the tip. But it's hard to believe. There are no supporting documents. And Israel has already been created elsewhere, and the Jewish Autonomous Republic already exists wink
          1. +4
            21 October 2021 16: 01
            Quote: Cube123

            0
            The idea, of course, is interesting. Thanks for the tip. But it's hard to believe. There are no supporting documents.

            Dig, you will find. And about OZET and about collective farms in the Crimea, and about "Crimean bonds" (the Roosevelts were not small). There are a lot of things.
          2. +3
            21 October 2021 16: 03
            Quote: Cube123
            And Israel has already been created elsewhere, and the Jewish Autonomous Republic already exists

            Dig, there are many interesting things about it. And how the USSR got out of this "brew".
          3. +3
            21 October 2021 16: 37
            Quote: Cube123
            Thanks for the tip.

            If you need something, I'll drop it in a personal.
            1. +1
              22 October 2021 08: 15
              Thanks. I received the initial information winked But the topic is not interesting enough for me to waste time on it.
          4. -1
            24 October 2021 15: 54
            The climate in the Jewish Autonomous Region is too harsh. Israel exists in the desert among, to put it mildly, states that are not very friendly to Jews. And here the Slavs, you know, occupy a kosher place. Google a video from Igor Berkut, it will be interesting.
  5. +4
    21 October 2021 09: 28
    When will its supplier be closed? Well, the clown already has an obvious overdose. Gunpowder, even if it's just drunk forever, but this one is constantly stoned ...
  6. KCA
    +3
    21 October 2021 09: 32
    I just want to send Zele a kilogram of sweets "Come on, take it away", otherwise 100500 times a day "Crimea Okrainsky, Crimea Outskirts", no matter how much you say "halva, halva, your mouth will not become sweeter"
  7. +4
    21 October 2021 09: 37
    on a par with the best border guards and military in Europe and around the world
    Are there border guards in Europe? Migrants probably don't know about it. True, the Poles and Lithuanians suddenly woke up and remembered that they have a border service that can fence the border with barbed wire and drag crippled migrants to Belarusian territory at night. Well, it remains for Mr. Ze to wish that he did not remember the Ukrainian border guards when he flew out of the country.
  8. +6
    21 October 2021 09: 37
    Does the clown know how the Black Sea was designated on the maps (... 16..17..18? Centuries) of the British Admiralty? Well, let him go to the museum! He's in London more often than most ...
    1. +3
      21 October 2021 09: 55
      Quote: usr01
      Does the clown know how the Black Sea was designated on the maps (... 16..17..18? Centuries) of the British Admiralty?

      No, I haven't read it! But the fact that the Black Sea should belong to Ukraine (in his opinion) is undeniable! The Ukrainians dug it out !!! )))
      1. +2
        21 October 2021 17: 10
        Quote: Egoza
        the fact that the Black Sea should belong to Ukraine (in his opinion) is undeniable! The Ukrainians dug it out !!! )))

        If they dug it, they have the right to bury it.
        They can begin to whine money for burial (so that one person does not get it). good
      2. 0
        24 October 2021 16: 00
        There is no place left for Ukrainians in the implementation of Ze's land plans, except for laborers.
  9. +4
    21 October 2021 09: 38
    Speaking about the servicemen of the State Border Service of Ukraine, he noted that "they professionally and smoothly perform tasks on the same level with the best border guards and military personnel in Europe and the whole world."

    And this is a balm for the soul, today's servicemen of all types of troops. After all, they are 20-30 years old. They were born already in the "great Ukraine". Studied on the "new history of Ukraine" - in the brain firmly settled - "Russia is the enemy of Ukraine." They are already motivated by this to go to war with the "enemy invader".
    These will already be grievous.
  10. +4
    21 October 2021 09: 41
    When behind the soul, and in the "portfolio" there is nothing ... only verbal husk, a LOT of that husk ...
    1. +4
      21 October 2021 12: 52
      Good time! hi

      The little soul is in his heels now and he works out, everything that will be shown to him ...
      1. +2
        21 October 2021 13: 07
        Hi soldier
        There is nothing to discuss with that petite darling .... not to consider without a microscope and it is not a fact that it will turn out.
        And he needs to lubricate his heels in advance! As the cold comes, so he will blaze, in some places. Then everything will depend on the running speed .... to the Polish border in ten minutes, no slower!
        1. +4
          21 October 2021 14: 17
          Let's see where he jumps, but we need to grab him for the trial ...
          1. +3
            21 October 2021 14: 28
            It will not run in our direction ... and if this happens, it should be judged at the place of its activity!
            1. +5
              21 October 2021 15: 53
              Or at the scene of the crime, or in Russia, since crimes against Russian citizens, including ...
              1. +2
                21 October 2021 16: 38
                Well, let's catch him, discuss and what ??? On that territory NOTHING WILL CHANGE, moreover, they will regret it, some ... naf, naf, it's no use to us, but it won't be of use to those who are there.
      2. +2
        22 October 2021 08: 44
        Quote: cniza
        The little soul is in his heels now and he works out everything that is shown to him ..

        And besides, and a corrupt little soul.
        1. +3
          22 October 2021 08: 58
          Moreover, it is repeatedly and therefore is torn ... hi
  11. +7
    21 October 2021 09: 50
    A ridiculous call to "match", just in the spirit of the show ..-'... on a par with the best border guards and military in Europe ... "

    European border guards, in the absence of pronounced borders and free movement of EU citizens, of course, is what Zelensky needs to "be on the same level."
    Interestingly, when he reads the texts, he understands the meaning of what is written? :))

    Crimea does not belong to Ukraine, it primarily belongs to those who live there.
    Crimea for Ukraine, like a "fifth wheel cart" - previously did not pull, and from 1991 to 2014 they completely ruined everything there. Society is being cheated in Ukraine, and in private conversations Ukrainians have always admitted that, of course, Crimea has never gravitated towards them.
    So why does Crimea need Zelensky ...?
    There is only one answer - the United States needs Crimea and they missed it.
    1. -6
      21 October 2021 11: 13
      Quote: valentin light
      Crimea does not belong to Ukraine, it primarily belongs to those who live there.

      I think in the mid-90s they would have been shot immediately for such statements. In Russia, of course. After all, Chechnya, Tatarstan, Yakutia should then also belong to those who live there.
      1. +4
        21 October 2021 11: 50
        Everything belongs to those who live on their lands.
        What is Tovtology?
        Russia-Federal State
        1. -7
          21 October 2021 13: 42
          and Crimea was an autonomous republic. And the wording "he primarily belongs to those who live there" implies VERY broad interpretations that in the mid-90s excited the minds of many residents of the national republics of the Russian Federation. However, the introduction of troops, direct threats and other actions that are not very different from the current Ukrainian - you do not call it fascist?

          Everything is like in a joke - you either put on your panties or take off the cross. Or the rules are common for everyone, and then everyone who wishes can leave the Russian Federation (for example, although with other regions such as Catalonia or Wallonia or Quebec and Scotland), who wants to, or not. Be consistent in your thoughts. No matter how beautifully the right to self-determination is described, even according to the UN it is tantamount to the right to territorial integrity. And only forceful methods (or diplomatic) make it possible to tilt the preponderance to one side. As a result, Kosovo was separated, Crimea was separated, Chechnya remained, Quebec remained. The rest is demagoguery
          1. +2
            21 October 2021 14: 53
            What has changed?
            Crimea is now an autonomous republic and the city of Sevastopol.

            Only according to the law of Ukraine dated 06.11.2012 No. 5475-VI, Article 3 "on changing the territory of Ukraine" a referendum was held, in conditions without power they had the only Legacy authority, the Crimean Parliament.
            And do not think that it could be otherwise, out of 13 military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, only 468 left for Ukraine, and the remaining 3991 people went to serve in the Armed Forces of Russia. Is that telling you something?
            According to the conditions, Crimea had the right to exit.

            And if suddenly Ukraine begins to live at least as in Catalonia or Quebec, then perhaps someone will want to join it ... I will not argue on this topic, although there is an opinion ...
            1. -5
              21 October 2021 16: 05
              Quote: valentin light
              And if suddenly Ukraine begins to live at least as in Catalonia or Quebec, then perhaps someone will want to join it ... I will not argue on this topic, although there is an opinion ...

              Nifiga we did not understand each other. Catalonia for Spain is the same Crimea. So is Quebec for Canada. With my own eyes, I saw a rally for the independence of Catalonia after Puigdemont's arrest. I would not say that he was very peaceful - cordons in armor and with machine guns, aspect ratio 1 to 1 in number. True, no one fired
              Quote: valentin light
              And do not think that it could be otherwise, out of 13 military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, only 468 left for Ukraine, and the remaining 3991 people went to serve in the Armed Forces of Russia. Is that telling you something?

              Of course, he says that these are sane people who folded 2 + 2 and got the conclusion that for the fact that they did not fulfill their military duty (namely, they did not go out with weapons in their hands to carry out the oath) and at home in Ukraine they are awaiting an investigation and prison (if they really did not live in the Crimea itself), and even lynching. An example of the "Berkut" on the Maidan six months ago is obvious. If an exception was made for conscripts, then for officers and sergeants - definitely not. But about these 3991 people there is information - in what state are they now, free or sitting? And in what rank were you?
              1. +3
                21 October 2021 16: 15
                Your words: "... did not come out with weapons in hand to carry out the oath) and at home in Ukraine ..."

                All who went over to the side of the Crimea had a house in the Crimea!
                It was the farmers and Western Ukrainians who went to Ukraine.

                I do not even fantasize that our authorities, not realizing that more than 90% of Crimean residents will support the referendum, will make a strong-willed decision on reunification.
                1. -5
                  21 October 2021 16: 16
                  Quote: valentin light
                  It was the farmers and Western Ukrainians who went to Ukraine.

                  Is this an unfounded statement or is there any confirmation? And there is no need to talk about fantasies. I ask again - is there any specific information about what ranks these people were in? And there is no contradiction between our opinions - the officers have permanent residence at the place of service and, in principle, it does not really matter where they came from, which is important for conscripts
                  And by the way, Stalin was a genius - he created a system where people did not serve in their regions, never. And Ukraine has neglected this rule
                  1. +3
                    21 October 2021 17: 37
                    "Russian News Agency" reports that the SBU responded to Tymchuk's request with a letter in which the data provided that out of 1619 employees of the Security Service of Ukraine in 2014, only 217 people returned to Ukraine, of which 210 are officers
                    and 7 contract soldiers and sergeant-sergeants.

                    SBU employees as a percentage went over to the side of Russia 88,69%
                    1. -3
                      21 October 2021 22: 00
                      Quote: valentin light
                      The SBU replied with a letter in which the data provided that out of 1619 employees of the Security Service of Ukraine in 2014, only 217 people returned to Ukraine, of which 210 are officers

                      So the army or the SBU - it does not have the task of explicitly shooting the enemies of its state with weapons in hand? You started me here about the army. By the way, at the same time, what is the fate of these 210 officers? And so, for the sake of information - they are exposed and therefore cannot remain either in legal or illegal work in the analogue - the FSB, the army. Their path is ordered according to the level of qualification. Naturally, it makes no sense for them to stay in Crimea, there is only one way - home
                      1. +2
                        22 October 2021 13: 48
                        Your words- "... So the army or the SBU - it has no task with weapons in its hands in an explicit form to shoot enemies ..."
                        Shows your helplessness to test the facts.

                        The task of any country's security service is to confront enemies.
                        Here are the basic standards of the security services-
                        1) identification, anticipation of hostile activity.
                        2) the fight against illegal encroachments on the state.

                        But the situation is the same for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
                        Basically, the guys called up from the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine did not go against their own.
                  2. +2
                    22 October 2021 14: 47
                    Your words: "... Stalin was a genius - he created a system where people did not serve in their regions, never ..."
                    This is, of course, progress, that you think Stalin is a genius, but in the USSR there was no taboo to serve near the house (they served), they simply selected where people were needed and corresponded to skills, education and health.
                    The law on general conscription of 01.09.1939/14/1, article 31- "citizens who are nineteen years old for the year of conscription (from January XNUMX to December XNUMX), and who graduated from high school and the corresponding educational institutions - eighteen years old, are called up for active military service.
                    Education was important.
              2. +2
                21 October 2021 18: 34
                By the way, I almost forgot to answer your words - "... Catalonia for Spain is the same Crimea. Like Quebec for Canada ..."

                Catalonia is not the same as Crimea.
                Catalonia has had its own identity since the 15th century, it has been extended to Spain and they have had their own graters for more than 6 centuries.
                Of course, it is reasonable not to separate, since "one branch breaks, and 20 only bends" and Spain is economically developed.
                I don't even want to discuss Quebec - the Iroquois lived there and they were dispersed by the French and the British.

                But the Crimea after the conquest in 1783 was Russia.
                And what can they say about the originality of the Turks with the Greeks, but not Ukraine. Do you understand?


                On a Turkish TV channel in February of this year, they showed a map of the spread of Turkey's influence until 2050, and there the South of Ukraine and the Russian Crimea are marked as the national interests of Turkey.
                Whether the Crimeans consider themselves a part of Ukraine is a rhetorical question. :))
                1. -2
                  21 October 2021 20: 38
                  Oh, here every country draws maps for local imperials - voters are the same. Germany, Japan, China, Hungary, even Finland and Belarus ... In this sense, we are no worse and no better, even here I will not give a complete list, it will not fit, read it yourself. http://lurkmore.to/The Emperors

                  Here you can look at the exemplary showdown between indigenous and non-indigenous in the promised land https://youtu.be/4pKMV6e5kEo Short and tasteful and with the correct ending
                  1. +1
                    21 October 2021 21: 14
                    Turkey is not "every ..."
                    I will not go into details, but Turkey is using "tractor" tactics as long as Russia has an army Turkey
                    will call us his friend, but this does not apply to Ukraine and Georgia (if memory does not fail, then the presence of Turkish business and interests is already strong in Adjara)
                    1. -1
                      21 October 2021 21: 22
                      Crimeans - who are they? Russians, Ukrainians, Greeks, Karaites, Tatars? Do not forget that the sample is very subjective.
                      Quote: valentin light
                      as long as Russia has an army Turkey
                      will call us his friend

                      so it can be said about any country
                      1. +1
                        22 October 2021 09: 45
                        You find fault with the common name - "Crimeans", but the Russian language allows to call people living in Crimea on a permanent basis, without specifying their ethnicity.
      2. +4
        21 October 2021 11: 59
        Your words- "... in the mid-90s for such statements would be shot right away .."
        I will disappoint you - Russia is not Ukraine, where veterans are beaten by the ribbon.
        1. -5
          21 October 2021 13: 48
          Quote: valentin light
          Your words- "... in the mid-90s for such statements would be shot right away .."
          I will disappoint you - Russia is not Ukraine, where veterans are beaten by the ribbon.

          But for the thrown paper cup they plant. By the way, for the discussion of alternative points of view - also now according to the law. Now poking around in historical archives and looking for the truth - nizzy. More precisely, you can search for something, but you cannot distribute
          1. +4
            21 October 2021 16: 21
            You write - "your words ....."
            These are not my words, in the 90s no one was shot for words.
            Do you want to archive? Which one? Cinematography or registry office?
            Military archives are user-declassified on the site of the mines of defense, but for something else you need to submit a request. This was and is in all countries.

            Your words: "... for discussing alternative points of view - also now according to the law ..."
            Please discuss, but you cannot call for extremism and so on.
            I saw discussions and met when officials and authorities were criticized.
            In Ukraine, you can criticize Zelensky, Poroshenko and officials, but at no time will a bander or "heroes of the OUN" and "ATO" ("OOS") be beaten here ... :))
            1. -5
              21 October 2021 16: 30
              Quote: valentin light
              These are not my words, in the 90s no one was shot for words.

              Um, got excited about being shot, yes. Although it depends on what and where - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parad_sovereignities#Parad_sovereignitetov_v_RSFSR - in Chechnya they still fired. Yes, and Tatarstan was a big question

              Quote: valentin light
              Military archives to a user degree declassified on the website of the mines of defense

              I also agree. But if suddenly I climb into the Bundesarchive and there I dig up information about cooperation in the occupied territories of people an order of magnitude larger than is customary in official historiography - I will immediately be accused of reconsidering the stories under Article 354,1 if I publish it. Though it's just a fact, even without judgment
              1. +1
                21 October 2021 17: 42
                You go and present information - the statute of limitations does not apply to war criminals and Nazi accomplices.
                The military prosecutor's office of Russia will also write you a prize for disclosing information about hidden agents of the Abwehr or the secret police of Nazi Germany. :))

                1. -3
                  21 October 2021 17: 51
                  I am afraid that then all the inhabitants (now a few very old people) of the territories occupied in the Second World War, including children, will have to be jailed. Or do you think that people have lived in forests for years, including the urban population?
                  1. 0
                    21 October 2021 18: 08
                    You about the inhabitants of western Ukraine and Latvia put it - ".. will have to jail all the residents (now a few very old people) occupied in the Second World War territories, .."?!

                    I consider allusions to Russia and Belarus not only groundless, but banal slander.

                    Your next "step" is to give an example of "ROA", the former womanizer General Vlasov?
                    The Vlasovites are not held in high esteem and we do not consider them heroes.
                    Yes, he was fond of women more than the art of war :))
                    According to SMERSH alone, in 1943 there were 72 "Vlasovites" and 000% surrendered immediately, as they survived in concentration camps and were intimidated with responsibility for captivity.
                    Then they atoned for the shame in penal battalions.
                    1. -2
                      21 October 2021 21: 28
                      Quote: valentin light
                      I consider allusions to Russia and Belarus not only groundless, but banal slander

                      Well then tell me - where and how did ordinary residents of the city of Minsk, Kharkov, Kiev, Zaporozhye, Bryansk, Smolensk, Voronezh, Tver get food during the occupation? In each city, the total occupation was at least a year. It is cities (we will not touch the countryside, although not everything is so simple there). Are you going to argue that everyone was partisans? Did you eat in the woods? Catching boxes of food from the air?

                      If they worked in factories under the control of the German administration, paid taxes to the Reich, and so on, then who are they? Traitors, collobrationists? Or who? Or will they claim that they were fed free of charge, again by the Germans?
                      1. +1
                        22 October 2021 09: 52
                        Your words - "... where and how ordinary residents of the city of Minsk, Kharkov, Kiev, Zaporozhye, Bryansk got food and how ..."

                        And they went hungry, changed at flea markets with peasants.
                        The Germans did not forbid to work on the land, I will even surprise you, the occupation authorities of Germany tried to revive the collective farms (of course, in order to take most of them in bulk and not take them away from private traders).

                        The Kharkov Tractor Plant was evacuated to the Urals, like many other factories, and what they could not evacuate was blown up.
                      2. -2
                        22 October 2021 10: 13
                        Quote: valentin light
                        And they went hungry, changed at flea markets with peasants.

                        You, yes, you personally - do you yourself believe that you can go hungry for a year? You have a complete mess in your head, or rather, a complete misunderstanding of the economy. Food is the main value in any war. Not a single sane peasant would give it up even for a radio, a piano, and a grandmother's service. Perhaps he will think for gold, but do ordinary workers have a lot of it? In order to buy something, you need to offer the seller something valuable to him. And values ​​in wartime change VERY much. I recommend that you get acquainted with the film "The Pianist", about Warsaw, where the degree of monetary inflation is shown in all its glory, when master Pihstein's piano was sold for a loaf of bread

                        Although, who am I discussing this with. So, your words
                        Quote: valentin light
                        The Germans did not forbid to work on the land, I will even surprise you, the occupation authorities of Germany tried to revive the collective farms
                        - means that the peasants worked for the Reich, paid tax in kind, and maybe in cash. That is, ideologically they were no different from similar workers in the Czech Republic, France, Holland.

                        Is KhTZ the only enterprise in huge Kharkov? Where are the rest?
                      3. 0
                        22 October 2021 10: 40
                        Yes, they were starving. Whom he was taken to Germany as relatives of my friends in the city of Oryol.

                        Then, you want more details, so here is 29.06.
                        1941 The Council of People's Commissars issued a directive calling on the population "to steal the explosive train train, not to leave paravozi, not to leave a single kilogram of bread to the enemy, not a liter of fuel." From factories were transported 18 million workers and
                        their family members, Total
                        25 million people were evacuated.
                        Out of 1 enterprises, 523 were exported to the Urals, 667 to western Siberia, 244 to eastern Siberia, 78 to Central Asia, and 308 to the Volga region.
                        All tank and aircraft factories, 150 machine-building plants, 94 metallurgical and 40 plants of electrical products were evacuated.
                        The demography of the areas subject to occupation has greatly decreased, that is, the number of people has decreased.
                        The Germans did not care about the supply of food, you correctly noted, but there were fewer people and many were engaged in private labor - there were artisans, carpenters, farmers and even bakeries.
                        It was not a crime to work and was not considered cooperation with the Reich. Except for working in the police, there the Ukrainians kept their niche and work in the "Hivi" (Hilfswlliige-willing to help)

                        The collective farms were actually revived by the Germans for simplicity and convenience of withdrawing food, but by 42 they seemed to have abandoned this.
                        The south of the Bryansk region, the idol of the Nerussa River, is a real woodland and a concentration of resistance to the Nazis.
    2. +2
      22 October 2021 11: 10
      Quote: valentin light
      Interestingly, when he reads the texts, he understands the meaning of what is written?

      Clowns only read what the screenwriter and artistic director wrote to them, their brain does not perceive more, and the head is sharpened at the wrong angle.
  12. +4
    21 October 2021 09: 52
    Better to let it belong to one smart person than a group of swans, crayfish and pike.
  13. +6
    21 October 2021 09: 53
    Shame on the Ukrainian border guards.
    They still wear green hats, the color of totalitarianism, the color of the green caps of Soviet border guards.
    We urgently need to change to patriotic yellow-blue shades.
    Another zrada. negative

    By the way about the Crimea.
    It rightfully belongs only to the people inhabiting it.
    And this people showed Ukraine -

    1. +8
      21 October 2021 10: 26
      Quote: prior
      And this people showed Ukraine -

      The fakushka is their invention. Our fig is better, you can break figs, but their fucking thing is easy.

      1. +1
        21 October 2021 10: 32
        For patriotic reasons, I will not object. drinks
        Let them choose what they don't like anymore - the pro-Western version or the pro-Russian one. laughing
        Worthy of both.
      2. 0
        21 October 2021 11: 05
        That her .. Not that you show! This is not our way! We are from the elbow laughing ))))
    2. +2
      21 October 2021 13: 44
      Quote: prior
      By the way about the Crimea.
      It rightfully belongs only to the people inhabiting it.
      And this people showed Ukraine -

  14. +3
    21 October 2021 09: 57
    But with these indistinct hints of Zeltz "on one person", I did not have any such guesses! no
    I just remembered the old anecdote "about the crow" that flew into the forest store and asked the wolf who was selling there to weigh "a pound of sweets in a wrapper, and a pound without it", to the question, puzzled by such an "order," the seller "why so?" coquettishly answered, "And so I am mysterious!"
    So Vovan - "95kv", could he not pretend to be "mysterious", but directly explain his "lonely visions" ?! what
    And then, like, no one forbade him and his family to go to the Crimea (and swim in the sea) ?!
    For his wife's luxurious Livadian apartments
    They regularly pay for "zhirkov" (there is where at any time, with all the conveniences and without overpayments, you can stay "on vacation"). That is, it turns out that Zelts and his wife, and not just some "one person", "owns" a piece of Crimea and the opportunity to swim in the "Black Sea water area"! yes
    These are his (not a single day serving in the army, a purely civilian "lawyer", in the recent past a dodger from conscription to "Viyskov's service for the sake of Batkivshchyna") "assessments of the professionalism" of Ukrainian and NATO servicemen! smile
  15. +2
    21 October 2021 10: 00
    And let him play a member of the piano before the FSA Code Congress "Crimea is our" wassat
  16. 0
    21 October 2021 10: 05
    I do not understand this is what envy?
  17. +3
    21 October 2021 10: 05
    The fake president of a fake country made a fake statement.
    1. +1
      21 October 2021 13: 28
      Well, not "fake", but not taken place.
      The Americans have come up with a general term for such - "Fall State", that is, a state that is unable to maintain its existence as a viable political and economic policy.
  18. +7
    21 October 2021 10: 08
    Shouldn't he call an orderly? Very bad.
  19. 0
    21 October 2021 10: 08
    ... “Ukrainian” Crimea and the Black Sea water area cannot be considered as belonging to “one person”, since they are “internationally recognized territories” and “borders of independent Ukraine”.

    They told Zele death, and he walks: fart and fart ...
    ==========
    There will be no American military bases in Crimea ... Crimea will not be Ukrainian ... The JCC, built by the hands of the Soviet people to provide the Crimeans with water, cannot serve as an object of blackmail in the hands of one person ...
  20. 0
    21 October 2021 10: 17
    Not a single movement without mentioning "Europe and the whole world". Serfs.
  21. 0
    21 October 2021 10: 37
    Interestingly, and the number of flags on the sleeve of a soldier depends on the level of patriotism or subtlety? Or maybe it's a reward, like red revolutionary bloomers? wink
  22. 0
    21 October 2021 10: 45
    Winter, meanwhile, begins to pat on the back of the neck affectionately. And barking in the cold is not the most pleasant experience. Pan Zelensky got upset, and drugs no longer help. Let's wait and see.
  23. Two
    -1
    21 October 2021 10: 51
    Yes, let the guy die to his heart's content! Revel in, so to speak, to the fullest! A good dose of powder abundantly flavored with dreams - what else does a prYzedent need - an amateur for the fullness of sensations !?
  24. 0
    21 October 2021 11: 01
    Nobody cares what this gay comedian thinks.
  25. 0
    21 October 2021 11: 15
    Attack and take him back if possible ....
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  27. +1
    21 October 2021 11: 29
    Quote: Teptyar
    yes, let them forget about Crimea

    These are all phantom pains, and besides superimposed on schizophrenia, brrrr an explosive mixture.
  28. 0
    21 October 2021 12: 13
    Not only was Zeliboba a clown, but he lived far from school .................
    1. +1
      21 October 2021 12: 50
      He understands everything, he was just hired for such a job and he fulfills it, not at all thinking that the hour of reckoning will come ...
      1. -1
        21 October 2021 12: 59
        Quote: cniza
        He understands everything, he was just hired for such a job and he fulfills it, not at all thinking that the hour of reckoning will come ...

        I have no doubt that he understands everything. Only by expressing his thoughts, he chooses a text that only causes laughter. He considers everyone to be fools, people that do not see the lies of this actor
        1. +1
          21 October 2021 14: 16
          I suspect, or rather I am sure he has no choice, that he was told to read then and reads ...
  29. 0
    21 October 2021 12: 25
    not true your Crimea belongs to millions of Russians. but not for you
  30. +2
    21 October 2021 12: 48
    It is noteworthy that in this glossary from the NSDC, the Great Patriotic War is referred to the "fakes" section.


    The time will come and for this we will ask ...
    1. +1
      21 October 2021 13: 48
      Quote: cniza
      It is noteworthy that in this glossary from the NSDC, the Great Patriotic War is referred to the "fakes" section.


      The time will come and for this we will ask ...

      Nobody is forgotten, and nothing is forgotten, you have to keep the answer.
      1. +2
        21 October 2021 14: 18
        Everything is easier here, you will have to answer for your words ...
        1. +1
          21 October 2021 15: 17
          Quote: cniza
          you will have to answer for your words ...

          Both for words and actions.
          1. +2
            21 October 2021 15: 54
            Uh-huh, or inaction ...
  31. 0
    21 October 2021 15: 56
    According to Zelensky, the maneuvers "indicated" that the "Ukrainian" Crimea and the Black Sea water area cannot be considered as belonging to "one person."

    And if it belongs to two or two, then everything will be fine? Or the laurels of Klitschko-Cicero do not give rest to Ze-jester pea and he decided to compete with that great in tongue-tied ?!
  32. -2
    21 October 2021 17: 00
    Crimea and the Black Sea should not belong to only one person, clearly implying the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin

    I think VVP completely agrees with Zelensky. Crimea belongs to the entire population of the Russian Federation, i.e. by Wiki: 146.1 million people.
    Well, the Black Sea is generally partly someone's state waters, partly - international waters.
    Zelensky needs to learn international law, I guess.
  33. 0
    21 October 2021 21: 56
    Or maybe once again arrange a referendum on the Crimea, with international observers and the pan-heads let them get bogged down?
  34. 0
    22 October 2021 17: 08
    In Kiev, the farther, the dumber and dumber ... Soon they will say that the ocean, too, should not belong to anyone except the Martians, if they ever arrive ...
  35. 0
    22 October 2021 21: 09
    More than one person lives in Russia. There are many of us, you idiot KVENSKY. And our Russian Crimea and the Black Sea are also ours. winked
  36. 0
    22 October 2021 21: 31
    Maydauns they are laughing
  37. 0
    22 October 2021 22: 58
    Maybe Zero's brains cleared up and he was referring to Ukrainian leaders, such as a franchuk or a smart komsyuk Senchenko, who stole the best Crimean land by the sea and enterprises, such as Poroshenko, who stole the Sevastopol Sea Creek, which turned him into a wild blackberry nursery, like Gapon plum.

    Let him be glad that the former train station thimbler. The chief ukroligarhofren Akhmetov tried to seize land in Sevastopol and make ... a coal terminal there.

    Crimea has returned home to the Russian state forever and will not belong to any schlötsiks.
    The Black Sea was and will be the RUSSIAN SEA
  38. 0
    24 October 2021 12: 10
    SNBO ukraine fascist underdeveloped, disgusting rubbish. Western "partners", cooperating with him, reveal their ugly face. I'm giving birth, that's more accurate.

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