The dacha problems of Comrade Stalin and Comrade Gorbachev ...

Beach in front of Stalin's dacha in Musser

"He left behind not ten palaces ..."
("Stalin and Corruption" A. Samsonov)

Everyday life of the greats of this world. Not so long ago, another material by A. Samsonov appeared on VO, and it contained this really wonderful phrase, put into the epigraph. It involuntarily evokes a desire to find out - and what buildings, so to speak, were left for personal use by Comrade Stalin. Well, if not ten palaces, then ... at least left something? And here, as it turned out, everything is not as simple as it seems to some. That is, again we will talk about the “sin” of incomplete knowledge, from which we all constantly suffer. Some to a greater extent, some to a lesser extent. Although, of course, it is simply impossible to know everything and everyone in the world. You can't read all the books, look through all the Internet resources, you can't visit all the museums even in our country ... you can't, you can't, you can't!

But ... you can go, for example, have a rest and learn a lot of interesting things during this trip. Well, at least this summer. And in the summer it happened that my daughter and her son-in-law recovered to rest somewhere on the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus and rested there very well. In addition to good food and living conditions, excursions were also offered. One of them interested: "Stalin and Gorbachev's dacha." That is, two dachas could be visited at the same time, which, of course, was a gift of fate for her.

She brought me a lot of interesting information and photos from the excursion. I worked on all this wealth without haste, and here on you - an article from my colleague, and even with a "figure of speech", which is so straight into the epigraph and asks. After that, it remains only to finish the work begun and ... to put this material on VO, which reduces the problem of "incomplete knowledge", at least in part and very slightly, but reduces it!

And it so happened that Comrade Stalin really did not leave behind ten palaces that belonged to him personally. But he left behind ... 15 summer cottages that belonged to him personally! This figure is called by the guides at Stalin's dacha in Musser, but the exact number of dachas that Stalin used is not named on the Internet. It is indicated that from 1919 to 1953

“There are up to 20 such residences, some of which have not survived for various reasons. Most of the sites are closed to the public at the moment or are the residences of prominent political figures. "

The list of what is known and exists today is as follows:

"Blizhnyaya Dacha" (Moscow)
Dacha "Zubalovo-4" (Kalchuga, Moscow region)
"Dalnyaya Dacha" (Semenovskoye, Moscow region)
"Dacha in Lipki" (Mytishchi, Moscow region)
"Long Beards" (Valdai, Novgorod region)
Dacha "New Matsesta" (Khostinsky district, Sochi)
Dacha in Malaya Sosnovka (Yalta)
Dacha "Cold River" (Gagra)
Summer cottage on Lake Ritsa (Gudauta district)
Dacha "Mussera" (Mysra)
Summer cottage in New Athos (New Athos)
Dacha "Sukhumi" (Sukhumi district)

Stalin received his first dacha, along with an apartment in Moscow, back in 1919. It was a house that belonged to the former Baku oil industrialist L.K. Zubalov. But over time, the number of summer cottages began to increase. Some of the dachas were near Moscow, others were in the south, and there Stalin not only rested, but also underwent medical treatment. Stalin's chief of security, General N.S. Vlasik recalled that Stalin traveled with his family to the Black Sea in August-September and usually for two months. He was personally involved in organizing the improvement of his dacha economy, and, although a lot of people worked there, it happened from time to time "took ... in his hands garden shears and cut dry branches". Dachas were usually used to receive guests.

Both the construction and the maintenance of all these dachas required considerable funds. In 1951 alone, 23,3 million rubles were spent from the budget of the security department for the maintenance of Stalin's state dachas and apartments (the average annual salary of 3 thousand workers). But here we need to add the cost of the road to the dacha near Lake Ritsa - another 16,5 million rubles. There were special underground bunkers at the dachas, which were built by SMU-12 Metrostroy and paid from its own budget. Naturally, hundreds of people were involved in both the maintenance and protection of such important government facilities. So, for example, only in the staff of the Kremlin apartment and Blizhnyaya dacha there were 73 service personnel and 335 more guards. Stalin's daughter Svetlana Alliluyeva recalled that dachas were often rebuilt at the request of her father:

“Wherever he went to rest in the south, the whole house was rebuilt by the next season. Either he lacked the sun, now he needed a shady terrace; if there was one floor, a second was added, and if there were two, then one was demolished ... "

It is interesting that during Stalin's absence his dachas were not preserved! They continued to work so that at any moment he could come to any of them and meet there ready-to-serve staff, full security staff and ... his favorite menu. Moreover, it so happened that Stalin announced that he was going to one dacha, and then, on the way, he changed his mind and turned out to be completely different - a purely Asian cunning, calculated to deceive enemies. In any case, wherever he came, the readiness of the dacha for his arrival was absolute everywhere. And it was worth it, of course, not cheap at all!

It would be interesting, of course, to find materials for all the dachas, to make calculations by year, but ... who really needs it today? Nevertheless, it is interesting to look into the holy of holies of such a great man like Stalin, and see at least one of his dachas up close. And consider that today we are very lucky: we are "going" to Stalin's dacha in Musser. And in total in Abkhazia he had five of them!

At the Mussera dacha, Stalin was only eight times, the last one in 1952. Together with the park, its territory is 40 hectares. True, and this must be emphasized right away, it was rebuilt in a completely different way from Stalin's residence on the Kholodnaya River. For some reason, during the restoration of the building, they did not strive at all to reproduce the authentic historical appearance. Air conditioners, for example, were installed directly into the walls. The seats on the benches were not preserved, the stairs leading from the building were peeled off, and many of the buildings in the summer cottage were never restored. And nevertheless, a lot has been done ...

As for the dacha itself, this is a two-story asymmetrical house with a long terrace. The photographs show that from many of the original design elements and furniture of that time, practically nothing remained - only the walls, trimmed with marble panels and parquet made of ... boxwood roots. There are also secret passages in the country house, but now they are concreted. There were three passages in total: one to the sea, one to the guest house and one to the medical building. From the original furniture, Stalin's table with a volume from Lenin's collected works, lamps, and a billiard table have been preserved.

Stalin's table

Here it is, this billiard table, but for some reason it was moved to Gorbachev's dacha ...

But the meeting room has been perfectly preserved, with a ceiling and walls trimmed with panels of noble woods. In one of the bedrooms, elements of the decor have also been preserved: silk wallpaper on the walls, curtains (Stalin loved the twilight and blackout curtains on the windows!), A wardrobe and several chairs, as well as a mattress with horsehair padding. Preserved and unique mirrors, made to increase the growth of Stalin. They say that the leader was very complex because of his small stature and therefore could not stand all the tall ones. Also next to the building was a building, inside which there was a cinema, a room for playing billiards, as well as a swimming pool. Stalin did not like swimming in the sea, and seawater was pumped to him into a large indoor pool.

Hall for negotiations. Notice the wall lined with squares of precious wood and the impressive coffered ceiling!

Hall for negotiations. Long table, chairs and doors to the park ...

"Rest zone"

Another table and chairs from that era

Swimming pool at Stalin's dacha

View of the medical building from the balcony of the second floor of Stalin's dacha. There was also a pool, healing showers and a massage room.

The dacha in Musser was the first southern dacha of the leader. The entire party elite had previously rested in the CEC rest house. And then, in 1926, Stalin was invited to a hunt organized on the territory of the Pitsundo-Mussera reserve by the head of Soviet Abkhazia, Nestor Lakoba. And during this hunt, he looked after the mansion of the Armenian oil tycoon Lianozov, who fled the revolution to Finland. It is clear that, although his estate was nationalized by the Soviet government, all its interior decoration was immediately plundered by local residents, and then for a long time in the homes of local Abkhazians one could find a luxurious Bohemian glass chandelier and rosewood furniture sets.

This is a very interesting place. It is not clear what it is? Above is ... a movie screen on which you could watch movies on a warm southern night. What's that down there? And below there was an artificial waterfall! Such miracles of "relaxation" were arranged at this leader's dacha!

This furniture is of late time, but something similar stood here ...

In order to build a dacha in the Mussera reserve, a special economic department of the CEC was created. The architectural project was developed by the Leningrad architect Vladimir Gelfreikh. Moreover, the work went on with difficulty, since Stalin continually introduced new and new amendments to the project. Preserved drawings with red marks made by his hand - also a kind of monument of his era. Moreover, it was Stalin who invented those very secret passages, which could only be entered from his bedroom. It is interesting that all the residences of the leader in Abkhazia were painted green. And this was not a fad, not a striving for aestheticism, but a heightened precaution, since Stalin believed that a green house surrounded by a forest would be invisible from the air. And then suddenly they will swoop in, but how can we bomb ... Our leader did not trust either strangers or his own ...

But the closet is the same ...

The construction site was surrounded by a three-meter-high fence, barbed wire winding and observation towers. The construction was completed in 1936, and in 1942 the dacha was mined in case it was captured by the Germans.

Stalin's bed with two mattresses: hard and soft!

The last time Stalin visited here was in 1952, and immediately after his death it was transferred to the jurisdiction of the KGB, and until 1988 it was guarded and no one was allowed inside it. Then, on the contrary, the construction of a dacha for Gorbachev began, so that Stalin's dacha was simply abandoned.

One of the baths, the same

But more recently, it was put in order and now it is open to visitors, and in the summer, excursions to the cottage start every hour. In the meantime, the group is going to wait for the guide, you can walk around its territory, inspect the once luxurious park and Stalin's pavilion.

The decor has been preserved from that time. Here's a bathtub and taps, it's another matter ...

And this is the most amusing photo. All tourists ask the same question: “You have Finnish plumbing here with ... a bidet, but what, did Stalin have a bidet? And the guides answer that yes, the plumbing is, of course, new, but there is no doubt that the bidet was. So with intimate hygiene, in contrast to the overwhelming majority of the then citizens of the country, Comrade Stalin was in perfect order!

Almost all rooms are open to tourists, including the bathroom and sleeping rooms. Moreover, the excursion is usually complex, that is, excursions to both Stalin's dacha and Gorbachev's dacha, which is located nearby. You can get to the Mussera dacha from Pitsunda, which is 8 km from Mussera, but transport does not go there, so you have to go there on foot, in your car, take a taxi or sail by sea by boat, which is the most convenient option. By the way, you can't see the dacha from the sea either ...

PS Photos by Svetlana Zolotareva.

To be continued ...

Comments

[Xlor]

construction of a summer residence for Gorbachev has begun

He should build a dacha somewhere in the Far North. With a lattice window ...

[Crowe]

It’s late, and the authorities don’t have any desire for this event. It’s as if the center didn’t grow up like Yeltsin’s one. I won’t be surprised.

[Gardamir]

I read the title, went to the author to put a minus, and suddenly they returned it. Would you like to write an encyclopedia about the dacha problems of Russian presidents?

[Hlavaty]

I would also gladly put a minus.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Gardamir

I read the title, went to the author to put a minus, and suddenly they returned it. Would you like to write an encyclopedia about the dacha problems of Russian presidents?

I also wanted to ask, what does it mean "personally belonged"? Are they, what inherited his relatives, or is it all the same after death to the state?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Xlor

He should build a dacha somewhere in the Far North. With a lattice window ...

There is already a summer cottage, only the "inmate" has to be put in place.

[Pessimist22]

They encroached on sacred things! Stalin only left a jacket with boots behind him, you still tell me that drinking and smoking like Stalin is harmful.

[Crowe]

On March 5, 1953, at 22:30 p.m., I, the commandant of the Near Dacha Orlov, the senior attached Starostin, assistant Tukov, Butusov’s employee, compiled an inventory of the l / property of Comrade Stalin I.V. at the direction of Comrade Beria.
1. Notebook for notes, in a cover from a skin of gray color;
2. Notebook, leather, red;
3. Personal notes, notes drawn up on separate sheets and tear-off sheets. Numbered a total of 67 sheets (sixty-seven);
4. General notebook with notes, red cover;
5. Smoking pipes - 5 pcs. To them: 4 boxes and specials. devices, tobacco. In Comrade Stalin’s office: books, desk accessories, souvenirs are not included in the list.
Bedroom and wardrobe:
6. White tunic - 2 pcs. (The star of the Hero of Socialist Labor is attached to both).
7. The tunic is gray, semi-daily - 2 pcs .;
8. The tunic is dark green - 2 pcs .;
9. Pants - 10;
10. The underwear is folded into a box under No. 2.
The box under No. 3 contains: 6 tunics, 10 trousers, 4 greatcoats, 4 caps. Notebooks, notebooks, personal notes are put in the box under No. 1. Bath and shower accessories are packed in box No. 4. Other property belonging to Comrade Stalin was not included in the inventory. A savings book was found in the bedroom with 900 rubles written in it. The end time for the compilation of the inventory and the document is 0 hours 45 minutes on March 6, 1953.
Present: (signature) ORLOV (signature) STAROSTIN (signature) TUKOV (signature) BUTUSOV.
The other property meant a table alarm clock in the shape of a fox (with a broken ear). Stalin also had a tabletop statuette donated by Roosevelt. After himself, in addition to these things, Joseph Vissarionovich left a superpower at the peak of his power.

[Pessimist22]

Did he rest with his family and friends at 15 dachas, or did the milkmaids and tractor drivers also have a rest there?

[Alex_1973]

Pessimist22 (Igor)
Did he rest with his family and friends at 15 dachas, or did the milkmaids and tractor drivers also have a rest there?

Excuse me, but where was the head of state supposed to rest, and even such as the USSR? On six acres in the suburbs?
What the worst nonsense are you talking about here? And by the way, for those who will not get off the armored train until now, the dachas were STATE, and not personally Comrade Stalin and remained in the property of the state.
You not smart to listen, so Stalin would have to live in a barrack, and lead the USSR from a barn ... Fabulous ...

Py.Sy. Again VOSH HYIP catches from scratch.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Alex_1973

Excuse me, but where was the head of state supposed to rest, and even such as the USSR? On six acres in the suburbs?

But I wouldn't be surprised if he was happy with such a rest, but who would give him. ))

[kalibr]

Quote: Alex_1973

Stalin should have lived in a barrack,

Should not. But 15 is too much ...

[Martin]

I did not see the main thing in the article. There is a difference between "dacha for Stalin" and "dacha as Stalin's private property."
The fact that the state finances from the budget of the places of rest and work (and how else to interpret the "meeting room"?) Of its supreme leader is absolutely normal. Places for rest, relaxation and health support for a senior executive are not a whim, but a necessity. I mean a statesman, not a snickering official. And "too much", "not enough" - this is, excuse me, the purest subjectivity.
Or (!) The conversation is about the private property of comrade. Stalin, his real estate, which he left to his family and heirs after his death. For the words in the epigraph refer specifically to private (or personal, if you like) property.
Gorbachev also used state property (real estate) assigned to him by rank, and this is normal. Only something tells me that with the private property transferred to the family (clan) after the end of his presidential powers (not even death, I note), Gorbachev turned out to be ... uh-uh ... somewhat better than Stalin's.
Let's be objective and talk about flies separately, about cutlets - separately.

[Markus wolf]

Exactly! I did not understand the passage "personally belonging to him." Owned or used ?? !! Can you catch the difference? The site, it seems, is not for primary school age ...

[Pessimist22]

And you can compare how Stalin rested in the state of universal justice and, for example, German Chancellor Merkel, an apartment in an apartment building, there are no yachts or palaces in the possession, Germany in the decaying west largely bypassed the USSR in justice and equality.

[haron]

Quote: Pessimist22

And you can compare how Stalin rested in the state of universal justice and, for example, German Chancellor Merkel,

Take it higher. Why is there Merkel! Take a person comparable in scale - the president of the United States. Here is his permanent dacha - the White House is called (yes, yes, he lives there). And Camp David, Blair House, Sound River ... that's the minimum. Nobody knows about personal and private snacks, and it should not be known - sir safety. What is left for them after the resignation ... google it, you will be very surprised.
Merkel has three residences (Schomburn, Bunderamt, Salzmer). But we do not consider her, she took Germany "with a bomb", and left "with emigrants."
Reverse example. Zeman. President of the Czech Republic. How did his arbitrariness over his own health end? Let me remind you. A total crisis of power in the country.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Alex_1973

Excuse me, but where was the head of state supposed to rest, and even such as the USSR? On six acres in the suburbs?
What the worst nonsense are you talking about here? And by the way, for those who will not get off the armored train until now, the dachas were STATE, and not personally Comrade Stalin and remained in the property of the state.
You are not smart to listen to, so Stalin would have to live in a barrack, and lead the USSR from a barn ... Fabulous ...

Py.Sy. Again VOSH HYIP catches from scratch

by the way, this dacha then passed on to Shepilov, who had joined, then Comrade Shibaev, who created a special sma for its construction = expansion, then it was with Comrade Demichev, who also expanded it for his nephews (who prevented me personally from picking fruits planted by the great leader, there there was only a thorn and an announcement on the coastal strip the passage was forbidden), then there was a sanatorium of the Central Committee and then Gorbachev came who expanded it ... , it turned out to be too small for all.

[Lannan Shi]

Do tractor drivers and milkmaids have a rest in this hut? If chu, maybe not everything, but most of the Stalinist dachas can be stuffed into one room of this wretched house. And everything, such as the luxurious Stalinist furnishings, is at the level of one stool of this house. That does not prevent a modest boy from hanging out in this wretched bum-dweller.
And so yes. I saw the cold stream live. What can I say? I live near dmitrovka, the direction has never been elite. A cold stream would pass under the category - cheap and cheerful. And against the backdrop of the judge's house, all that is a district judge's caliber, standing 200 meters from ours .... Frankly a miserable hut.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Lannan Shi

shove one little room of this wretched house.

these are my neighbors, no one lives, the palace is for official (infrequent) receptions, you can buy a ticket and go on an excursion, and office persons live in new cottages behind the palace on the seashore, indeed, for the president, it is not very luxurious, the district judge does happen build themselves more (especially the thieving and corrupt ones)

[bistrov.]

Quote: Pessimist22

Or milkmaids with tractor drivers also rested on them?

Milkmaids and tractor drivers were also entitled to rest in trade union sanatoriums and rest homes, by the way, I know from myself that conditions there were not at all bad ...
And then, in the USSR, the principle was observed: - "... from each according to his ability, to each according to his work ..". Leading a huge state is not so easy, it's not milking cows or plowing land, but we must admit that "Comrade Stalin" led the state well, if the USSR grew in territories and became a nuclear superpower, for example, Gorbachev let everything go to the wind ... , that's who should have been left in the combine ..., hehe ..., just the case for him ...

[Bad_gr]

I was at Stalin's dacha "New Matsesta". As a techie, I was interested in the power supply of the dacha. A turbine with a generator was used as a backup. Water came through a pipe from some of the mountain rivers.

[Looking for]

Shpakovsky with his friends - "Palestinian Cossacks" was resting.

[kalibr]

Quote: Seeker

"Palestinian Cossacks"

And you, Sasha, my dear, something in the opinion of people has sagged a lot. Well it should be -963! It’s not good when you get so many minuses. I also have a lot of them, but there are more pluses. And you do not have something at all. The people are against, right?

[Illanatol]

And at 15 dachas he rested with his family and friends

Yes, the "scoop" is tenacious, oh, how tenacious. Even in the notorious liberals.
So it is from such remarks that Sharikov's "Take away and divide!"
What, do you miss egalitarian justice or just gnaws at envy?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Pessimist22

Did he rest with his family and friends at 15 dachas, or did the milkmaids and tractor drivers also have a rest there?

Milkmaids rested on free vouchers in Crimea and Gagra

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Crowe

After himself, in addition to these things, Joseph Vissarionovich left a superpower at the peak of his power.

And the followers and the country of the superpower ruined, and Stalin's things were plundered - female mongrels.

[Pane Kohanku]

Stalin's daughter Svetlana Alliluyeva recalled that dachas were often rebuilt at the request of her father:
“Wherever he went to rest in the south, the whole house was rebuilt by the next season. Either he lacked the sun, now he needed a shady terrace; if there was one floor, a second was added, and if there were two, then one was demolished ... "

Something similar happened with the Winchester mansion. The armourer's widow was constantly rebuilding it.

[kalibr]

Quote: Pane Kohanku

The armourer's widow was constantly rebuilding it.

The ghosts of those killed from the Winchester tormented her. But what ghosts tormented Comrade. Stalin?

[Pane Kohanku]

The ghosts of those killed from the Winchester tormented her.

A horror movie has recently been filmed about this, and not at all bad.

But what ghosts tormented Comrade. Stalin?

Everyone has their own demons, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
Do you remember how at Druon the aged Comte de Bouville remembered his old enemy (executed) - Marigny?

[Catfish]

Everyone has their own demons ...

Here's to you and Olegych cons and dear comrades screwed up.

[kalibr]

Konstantin! They didn’t fucking minuses, but clicks, that is, they increased the investment attractiveness of the site, learned to think, to defend their point of view reasonably - does all this not matter? Remember: inspiration is not for sale, but a manuscript can be sold! It's the same with the number of clicks! It's like playing roulette: you can bet on black, on red, and even on zero ... only the casino always wins!

[Catfish]

Hi, Vyacheslav!
In this case, the word KLIK, by chance, did not come from KLIKushi?

[kalibr]

Good evening, Constantine. I do not know this. Not great in computer terms.

[AnderS]

Konstantin! They didn’t fucking minuses, but clicks, that is, they increased the investment attractiveness of the site, learned to think, to defend their point of view reasonably - does all this not matter?

Well, what about "arguing". Why not compare it with the palace in Gelendzhik, which seems to belong to no one else? I think if all the "Stalinist" dachas are assembled, then they will fit with a margin on the territory of this property, if it is territorially. And in terms of the luxury of the interior decoration (at least the projected one), not a single Stalinist dacha stood nearby, one toilet brush for 700k is worth something. And by the way, this palace does not belong to state residences, if I am not mistaken ... As an argument?

[svd-xnumx]

There was a broadcast on the Mayak radio (maybe I don’t know it even now, you won’t listen to it on the air in our area) about fashion or clothes, I don’t remember, so the host in the program said that after Stalin’s death, he didn’t find any pants that were not darned.






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[Overlock]

Quote: Pessimist22

Stalin left only a jacket with boots

Yes, it was clearer to compare Stalin's dachas with the dachas of our supreme power. Stalin, in comparison with them, is a beggar!

[kalibr]

Quote: Overlock

Yes, it was clearer to compare Stalin's dachas with the dachas of our supreme power.

"His example is science to others!"

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: kalibr

Quote: Overlock

Yes, it was clearer to compare Stalin's dachas with the dachas of our supreme power.

"His example is science to others!"

There is such a thing. Many people think that in the next world they will live in luxurious dachas and revel in power ... But ... "• But there is also God's judgment, confidants of debauchery!
There is a terrible trial: he is waiting;
It is not accessible to the ringing of gold,
And he knows thoughts and deeds in advance "! The world elite forgets about this .....

[Walking]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: Pessimist22

Stalin left only a jacket with boots

Yes, it was clearer to compare Stalin's dachas with the dachas of our supreme power. Stalin, in comparison with them, is a beggar!

It can be compared with the royal family, how many they had not even dachas, but palaces.

[Overlock]

Quote: Hiking

It can be compared with the royal family, how many they had not even dachas, but palaces.

And who now lives in the royal palaces? One time is enough for an answer.

[fuxila]

It can be compared with the royal family, how many they had not even dachas, but palaces.

How can this be compared to the royal family? The Romanov family ruled for 300 years before this, and even before the accession they were not among the shoemakers. And Stalin overgrown with dachas-palaces with secret passages in a couple of decades, and what would have happened in 300 years? His son Vasily at the age of 21 became a colonel, and at the age of 25 a general, if not for the death of Stalin, then by 35 he would have become a grand admiral, field marshal and generalissimo of all times and peoples. Irina Volk is resting ... And the tsars, unlike the secretaries general, were not hypocrites and never talked about universal equality. Answer the simple question, why did not the workers and collective farmers go to these dachas to rest, and preferably together with Comrade Stalin? During the day they swim at the sea together, and in the evening they tell the leader about the problems of the village with a barbecue and Kindzmarauli ... Or there is nothing to do there for cattle?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: fuxila

It can be compared with the royal family, how many they had not even dachas, but palaces.

How can this be compared to the royal family? The Romanov family ruled for 300 years before this, and even before the accession they were not among the shoemakers. And Stalin overgrown with dachas-palaces with secret passages in a couple of decades, and what would have happened in 300 years? His son Vasily at the age of 21 became a colonel, and at the age of 25 a general, if not for the death of Stalin, then by 35 he would have become a grand admiral, field marshal and generalissimo of all times and peoples. Irina Volk is resting ... And the tsars, unlike the secretaries general, were not hypocrites and never talked about universal equality. Answer the simple question, why did not the workers and collective farmers go to these dachas to rest, and preferably together with Comrade Stalin? During the day they swim at the sea together, and in the evening they tell the leader about the problems of the village with a barbecue and Kindzmarauli ... Or there is nothing to do there for cattle?

vacationed in Crimea on free vouchers, and not a single dacha of Stalin with the palaces of the Romanovs and Putins can be compared

[Catfish]

... with the dachas of our supreme power.

But what is there with the Supreme, the sixes' mansion is not worse.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Pessimist22

They attacked the holy!

In 1946, in a destroyed country with a starving earthling population, at the request of one general secretary, in a wild place in the Caucasus mountains on Lake Ritsa, construction has begun a luxurious mansion, finished with valuable species of wood in 15 thousand m3 of volume with a floating veranda of 600 m3 on the lake, with a huge park with fountains and alleys, its own hydroelectric power station, a boiler room, VKTS networks, a tunnel, a special highway 20 km away, laid by explosions in the mountains to the dacha, security houses, guests, etc. Few were already existing palaces in Abkhazia and Sochi.

Gone hundreds of million rubles , on which it was possible to build housing for tens of thousands living in dugouts

[Alex_1973]

Olgovich (Andrey)
Hundreds of million rubles were spent, which could be used to build housing for tens of thousands living in dugouts

Wai, wai, wai, what an Os ... I'm crying ...
The pace of the restoration of the SSSS, and at the same time the countries of the Warsaw bloc, was not found anywhere in the world. So shove your cheap agitation wherever you come from and take it out ... well, I think you know where!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Alex_1973

These

reminded, by the way, of the disgusting hypocritical, choking in the luxury of columns, granite, sculptures and expensive finishes, Empire houses of the same period of the destroyed country: instead of one, for example, a skyscraper, with its bas-reliefs with fat dancing women and fatty cherubs, it was possible build bwell-organized city for 200 peopleliving in ZEMLYANKI.

Quote: Alex_1973

So

these are just FACTS that puffed blissful ignoramuses poked their noses into: someone was dying of hunger in dugouts, restoring the country, and someone was building a luxurious mansion for themselves in a wild place in the Caucasus mountains on Lake Ritsa, decorated with valuable species of wood in 15 thousand m3 volume with a 600m3 floating veranda on the lake, with a huge park with fountains and alleys, its own hydroelectric power station, a boiler room, VKTS networks, a tunnel, a special highway of 20 km, paved by explosions in the mountains to the dacha, security houses, guests, etc.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Olgovich

instead of one, for example, a skyscraper, with its bas-reliefs with fat dancing women and fatty cherubs, it was possible to build a comfortable city for 200 people living in ZEMLYANKI.

Several posts above the Constantine Palace. More precisely a photo of him. So that's it. In 2002 alone, 200 million dollars were spent on its repair. At the prices of that time ... About 10.000 kopeck piece in the province. And this is not the final cost. In 2013, for example, it also took 200 million to tint / change curtains. True rubles. If we estimate the total costs for 20 years ... There, another regional center will be cheaper, rebuild from scratch. And nothing. No one is confused by such a cost. Not even houses, where there are thousands of apartments and many thousands of tenants, but just summer cottages, where one kid will bulge and show off. The truth is very specific.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

... In 2002 alone, $ 200 million was spent on its repair.

and how much, according to the legs, the reconstruction should cost an architectural monument of the XNUMXth century"Russian Versailles" in Strelna?

Your barbarians and vandals have already destroyed TENS OF THOUSANDS of priceless Russian monuments in Moscow, Suzdal, Vladimir, Kostroma, etc. Therefore, it is necessary to preserve at least something.

To restore the RUINS arranged by your Russophobes all over Russia - from estates, temples and pr - these trillions are needed for centuries.

And the State Complex "Palace of Congresses" is used for its intended purpose by the Russian state

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but only dachas, where one kid will stick out and throw a show-off. The truth is very specific.

Yes ,

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protrude and show off one specific kid

with his courtiers, he allowed himself at 15 private dachas for years, during numerous nightly multi-alcoholic / riotous ghouls "dinners".

And then the dollar was worth 1/4, and the dear "dacha" earthy 1946 on Lake Ritsa (where there was almost never a lover of summer cottages), could be embodied in thousands of apartments for those living in dugouts

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Olgovich

and how much, in the opinion of the legs, should the reconstruction of the XNUMXth century architectural monument "Russian Versailles" in Strelna cost?

I am more interested in another question. And as soon as they managed to preserve the French Versailles, without fitting it as a dacha, it was pure vowe.

Quote: Olgovich

Yes

Yes, I kind of know that a confused person and a person with a criminal outlook are synonyms. It is not at all necessary to confirm this.

Quote: Olgovich

and the cute "summer cottage" of a man who lived in 1946 on Lake Ritsa (where there was almost never a lover of summer cottages), could be embodied in thousands of apartments for those living in dugouts

This is the same dacha. A total of 500 squares of area. It is not so easy to stretch it even on an average lousy barrack, for fifty residents, with amenities in the neighboring courtyard. And to build thousands of apartments instead ... This is no longer a question for the architects, but for the director of a psychiatric hospital. Why his patients, especially violent, are not in the ward, but dissected over the Internet.
PS
Especially funny, this mega-box looks against the background of Konstantin's "dugout" indelible. By the way. The Constantine Palace was in ruins only during the Second World War, and it was repaired for 4 years. Before and after the Second World War ... Educational institution. Although it was not a problem for the IVS to squeeze it out, but there was not even a hint of it. A matter of priorities. Aetol was enough for the filthy Stalinist satraps for entertainment megadach. The size of a servants' house, in the estates of the current "servants of the people." But it was possible to teach all kinds of collective farmers in palaces. Nowadays everything is strictly the opposite.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

... And as soon as they managed to save the French Versailles,.

everything is simple: in France there was no stupid, dull Russophobic thing that destroyed half of the monuments of the buildings of the Kremlin, Moscow, Suzdal, Vladimir, all of Russiawho demolished the graves and tombs of Russian heroes Pozharsky, Minin, Bagration, Nakhimov, Istomin, Lazarev, Radetsky, monuments ОВ 1812, РЯВ, ПМВ, РТВ and so forth

Got it, no?

Russia now centuries restore the destroyed Russian kremlins, temples, graves.

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This is the same dacha. A total of 500 squares of area.

this is due to ignorance of the feet: this is dacha number 5 in the same place. And there was also No. 11 and there were THOUSANDS m3 of a luxurious building:

Memorandum of the Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR, Sergei Kruglov, Stalin and Beria, June 9, 1948

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR reports on the work on the construction of facilities in the area of ​​Lake Ritsa, carried out in 1948.

At the state dacha No. 11, located in the valley of the Lashepse river, the following works are carried out:

Construction is coming to an end new main house number 2 volume of 15 thousand cubic meters, with central heating, hot and cold water supply. At this time, finishing work is underway and sanitary equipment is being installed.

Construction work is nearing completion floating veranda on Lake Ritsa an area of ​​230 square meters, with a walkway to the main house. Finishing work is in progress. ...

Construction work has been completed on a three-compartment refrigerator with the installation of 2 ammonia compressors, each with a refrigerating capacity of 10.000 calories per hour. Installation work is in progress. ...

All construction work on the boiler room has been completed with the installation of 6 electric boilers of 50 thousand calories each. The installation of equipment is coming to an end. ...

Construction and installation work in progress on the tunnel.

Park work is underway on an area of ​​8,5 hectares

At the state dacha No. 5, located in the valley of the Acetuka river, work is underway on post-draft repairs of the main house, service house and other buildings ...

In a buiding hotel "Ritsa" ppost-plant repair work is in progress, as well as finishing work on the hall a restaurant. ...

On the road around Lake Ritsa, priority reinforcement works to ensure traffic safety are nearing completion. All works, including finishing works, will be completed by June 25 this year. and the road will be commissioned by this date ...

On construction Ritsa road - the source of Avadhara ..

Execution of construction work on objects in the area of ​​Lake Ritsa in 1948 both on roads and civil structures and especially on park works and the Ritsa road "

FIFTEEN THOUSAND CUBES is only ONE main building on the ritz is .. five THOUSAND m2 !

Only one highway to the dachas cost TWENTY million rubles, which is FIVE million dollars. And there were also separate hydroelectric power station, hotels, restaurants, parks, security houses and so forth

Got it, no?

No. 11 burned down in 1956.

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And to build thousands of apartments instead ... This is no longer a question for architects

of course not: that's the question

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to the director of a psychiatric hospital.

-why are the feet dumb,

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especially violent, not in the ward, but dissected over the Internet.

, Yes.

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Especially funny, this mega-box looks against the background of Konstantin's "dugout" "indelible.

Personal "dugout" in 15 thousand m3, Hydroelectric power plants, etc., worth HUNDREDS OF MILLION rubles, cut off from the restoration of housing to homeless WWII in terrible 1946 at the whim of the indelible is not state Palace of Congresses of Russia and it was possible to build on them housing for tens of thousands of earthlings

Quote: Lannan Shi

But it was possible to teach all kinds of collective farmers in palaces.

Palaces, Russophobia-vandals, basically, destroyed: these thousands of ruins after the "management" of "craftsmen" are still appealing to the world with the holes of the eye sockets of the window openings.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Olgovich

FIFTEEN THOUSAND CUBES is only ONE main building on the ritsa is five THOUSAND m2

Laponka ... I'm a builder all the same. Albeit road, but professional. And I honestly received my diploma, and plowed for more than one year. And even buildings were built. Let them be auxiliary, but full-fledged. At the very least, but I can. And when I am presented with a tagument, where a building is measured in cubes ... I have no questions about the tagument, another question worries me. From which hospital the patient escaped, and how to pack it, securely, without self-harm, but at the same time not be bitten by the patient. That's actually all that any builder will tell you about these types of documents.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Laponka ... I'm a builder all the same. Albeit road, but professional. And I honestly received my diploma, and plowed for more than one year. And even buildings were built. Let them be auxiliary, but full-fledged. At the very least, but I can.

feet just need to throw out their fake diplomas and remember that they "built" "houses" crushing m chairs in the office.

Otherwise, this post would:

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And when I am presented with a tagument where the building is measured in cubes...

did not declare.
The volume of the building (not without reason from the NKVD report is indicated!), As well as the area, one of major characteristics of ANY building and it turns out, roughly (there are nuances), by multiplying the area by the height of the building.

It is indicated in the project documentation and also, after the end of construction and full-scale measurements, in the cadastral document.

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I have no questions about the tagument, I have another question worries.

anxious legs from the fact that they

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They escaped from the hospital

and out of ignorance (nothing about the dachas about Ritsa, or about construction) we got our nose into a puddle

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This is actually everything that any builder will tell you about these types of documents

A builder with 43 years of experience, alas, does not see in the leg ... a "builder".

The "construction" of the legs took place, most likely, in the PO or OTiZ, even at the VET it does not pull ...
,

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Olgovich

It is indicated in the project documentation and also, after the end of construction and full-scale measurements, in the cadastral document.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

It is indicated in the project documentation and also, after the end of construction and full-scale measurements, in the cadastral document.

Nna: in the section of the project documentation "Explanatory note":

Building
1 Building area, m2 4940,2
2 Floors 1-3
3 Number of floors 4
4 Construction volume of the building, including: m3 58286,0
below the mark. 0,000 m3 40460,0
above the mark. 0,000 m3 17646,0
5 Total area of ​​the building m2 10708,0
6 Useful building area m2 301,1
7 Estimated building area m2 7195,9
8 Useful building area m2 5059,0
9 Estimated building area m2 4940,2

Nna:

technical passport of the building.

Appendix 12
(required)
to the Instructions for conducting
housing stock accounting
In Russian federation

BUREAU OF TECHNICAL INVENTORY

(name of the bureau)

Region, republic, territory ________________________________________________

District _________________________________________________________________

City (other settlement) ____________________________________________________

A district of the city ___________________________________________________________

TECHNICAL PASSPORT OF THE BUILDING (BUILDING)

No. ________ on the street (lane) _____________ (Lit.____)
(location of the accounting object)

Inventory number

Number in the register of the housing stock

Cadastral number

I. Architectural planning and operational indicators

Series, project type ________________________________________________________________________

Year built _______________

converted

in __________ year

built on

Year of last major overhaul ___________________ Number of floors ________________________

In addition, there is:

basement, ground floor, attic, mezzanine

(delete the unnecessary)

... Construction volume ________ cubic meters

Number of stairs _______ pcs.; their harvesting area is _______ sq. m

Cleaning area of ​​common corridors and common places. user ______ sq. m

Building area (with loggias, balconies, wardrobes, corridors and staircases) ______ sq. m

of it: Living quarters: total area of ​​apartments ________ sq. m,

area of ​​apartments ________ sq. m, including living area _________ sq. m

Distribution of the area of ​​apartments in a residential building by the number of rooms

Got it, no?

And yes, once again, for lovers of the crunching of the bones of queens and rocossal ones: HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of budget rubles in SCARY Earthen 1946 were taken from tens of thousands of homeless citizens - to satisfy the capricious Wishlist of one, depriving them of a roof over their heads.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Olgovich

Got it, no?

Why are you an illiterate ignoramus? Unable to assimilate even the thoroughly chewed? It has come a long time ago.
1. If the word volume will appear in the document, then in conjunction with the word construction. That in your fake number one is not observed.
2. The construction volume is purely secondary. Without specifying the area, height and the structure itself, the building has absolutely no semantic meaning. This is about how to assign the armor volume as the main indicator of the tank, and based on it, build theories about the caliber of the gun and the speed of movement.
3. The volume of construction, in itself, does not indicate either the area or the cost of construction. Nothing at all, and nothing. A kind of spherical horse in a vacuum. Compose a project for a pair of structures, one of which will be five times larger in terms of construction volume, but half the area and 10 times cheaper? Not a problem at all.
4. The construction volume and the total area of ​​the building are very conditionally related. To deduce theories that 15.000 construction volume is equal to 5.000 squares of total area ... You have to be an Olgovich, for whom the construction of a leaky booth for a ball is a prohibitively complex technical solution. Laponka .... I'll give you 15.000 of construction and I will stretch it in 30.000 total area, and I will ram it in 15 squares. And I’ll draw an estimate for 1000 bucks, and for 1000 million, it’s not a problem either. For, I repeat, the indicator is purely secondary, and apart from other things it does not say anything at all.
5. Before you copy-paste fakes ... At least understand the basics. Something about which to lie gathered. To understand. for which they will kick you.
6. Have you looked at an example of cadastral forms? Did you find the word volume? Not? Well, look further, it may come to whom exactly this volume is interesting. But I can say right away that the Minister of Internal Affairs is clearly not included in the list of interested parties.

Well, 7. Curiosity for trying to find the source of your tagument. And I understood. I was very wrong when I laughed at those who attract Vika as proof. You have surpassed everyone and everything. Attract nonsense from Vkontakte as proof ... This is simply unique ... The audience applauds while standing ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Why are you an illiterate ignoramus?

not that legs, as always, are.

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If the word volume will appear in the document, then in a bundle with the word construction.
The construction volume is purely secondary.

office "builder" - chair naturally does not know what it means volume the object, given in a MANDATORY manner in the project documentation and the characteristics of the construction object.

2, the first "definitions" of the legs are not interesting even once : the volume of the building is one of the official characteristics of the object, required to be indicated by the requirements of SNiP and determined during design and delivery, in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation.

3.primary-secondary was not discussed at all - again the legs were braided

Quote: Lannan Shi

... The volume of construction, in itself, does not indicate either the area or the cost of construction. About nothing at all and nothing.

Lavrov, yes ...

The same area with different volumes costs different money.

The cost is pre-determined based on the volume of the building.

The construction volume, as one of the technical and economic indicators, is needed for many reasons: fire regulations, engineering surveys of buildings, their repair, cost, system design, etc., etc.

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... The construction volume and the total area of ​​the building are very conditionally related.

The rules for calculating the volume p. Are specified in CHiP, where the building volume is determined as the amount of the building volume above the mark 0.00 - the mark is set at

Building volume X = S¹ × (h + 0,2) × 1,2, where 0,2 and 1,2 are the correction factors, S¹ - total area, ah - height of the building.
But this is not entirely accurate, but the main thing is that the volume and area are related.

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estimate

and, the estimates were pressed with ohm, it is clear now HOW they "built" the objects

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Have you looked at an example of cadastral forms? Did you find the word volume? Not?

feet are given the official form of the TECHPASSPORT of any object, made in accordance with Russian legislation and where the volume is its COMPONENT PART.

And when will it come?

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Understand the basics.

Yeah: Quote: Lannan Shi
And when they show me where the building is in cubes measure...
Finally, what is being measured or something else to kick?

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... fake. Curiosity for trying to find the source of your tagument. And I understood... I was very wrong when laughed over those who attracts the vetch, as evidence. You have surpassed everyone and everything. Pull as evidence bullshit from Vkontakte .... This is simply unique ... The audience applauds while standing.

fuuu, again the ignorant legs are screaming:

Nna:
1.October 6, 1946 - Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR for No. 2323-985s about the construction of a summer house

2. Memorandum of the Minister of Internal Affairs S.N. Kruglova
to the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU "On works on the construction of facilities in the area of ​​Lake Ritsa"

09th of June 1948

Ow. top secret

Council of Ministers of the USSR, Central Committee of the CPSU

To the Chairman of the Council of Ministers

Union of the SSR to Comrade Stalin
The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR reports on the work on the construction of facilities in the area of ​​Lake Ritsa, carried out in 1948.

At the state dacha No. 11, located in the valley of the Lashepse river, the following works are being carried out:

The construction of the new main house number 2 with a volume of 15 thousand cubic meters, with central heating, hot and cold water supply (

A source : GARF. F. 9401 On. 2. Sheet 443, Sheet 215-216

3. Memorandum of the Minister of Internal Affairs S.N. Kruglov to the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU "On the construction of a road around Lake Ritsa"

17 September 1949 of

Ow. top secret

Council of Ministers of the USSR, Central Committee of the CPSU

To the Chairman of the Council of Ministers

Union of the SSR to Comrade Stalin
Source : GARF. F. 9405. On. 6. Sheet 406, Sheet 201-212

hack these PRIMARY SOURCES on your forehead to forever remember how in the earthy years for the country, someone built for himself ELITE real estate for entertainment at the state expense.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Olgovich

the volume of the object, given in a MANDATORY manner in the project documentation

Here are just that filkin letter. which you issue as a document, to the project documentation in any way. Let's say the volume of a tank's fuel tanks, or the dry weight of a fighter is strictly required in the documentation. But it would be interesting for me to read the memo that, say, in June 1943, tanks with a total tank volume of so many liters and so many tons of fighters were sent to such a front.
,

Quote: Olgovich

The same area with different volumes costs different money.

Honey, do not carry nonsense. The same area can cost the same for different volumes, and in different ways with the same volumes. This is a surprise.

Quote: Olgovich

The cost is pre-determined based on the volume of the building.

Are you really that bad with your head? If the construction is atypical, local estimates are drawn up first. Which are then reduced to an object. In LAN, the volume and cost of work is taken into account, the volume of work, and not the volume of premises and the price of materials.

Quote: Olgovich

the official TEHPASSPORT form is given

You will decide, to begin with, what exactly you are talking about. And when you stop confusing the cadastral and those passports, then go ahead.

Quote: Olgovich

The volume of the building is X = S¹ × (h + 0,2) × 1,2, where 0,2 and 1,2 are the operating coefficients, S¹ is the total area, ah is the height of the building.

https://base.garant.ru/3922125/7dede6ac8f25be619ed07c17ed1c62c9/
Enjoy. And with your methodology ... Only the weight of a liter of semolina, on the third planet Alpha Centauri, will be calculated. Yeah.

Quote: Olgovich

the official TEHPASSPORT form of any object is given, made in accordance with Russian legislation

It remains to bring a document that the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs worked in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation

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1.October 6, 1946 - Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 2323-985s on the construction of a summer residence

A reference to something adequate, well, for example, will it not be difficult? I understand it will make it difficult. And so far there is no adequate reference, this is not a document, but a meaningless set of buccoops.

Quote: Olgovich

these PRIMARY SOURCES

These are not primary sources, but quotations from a work of art, in a pseudo-historical style. Where the author's imagination runs wild. As well as his illiteracy. With the same success, I can throw links to my books. In which the mechanics of RPG toys work on Earth, and elves roam the Moscow region.
Do you want to throw links? Throw it. But precisely on the primary sources. Well, or on authors who may be controversial, such as Mukhin, but who at least were not caught on the fact that they personally compose the documents they need. But to drag all sorts of muddy types that even a fake can not compose, without three mistakes ... No need for such happiness.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

That's just that filkin certificate

SNiP, providing for the mandatory composition of design and executive documentation only for office chairmen "filkina gramota", and for builders and designers - the Law.

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Honey, do not carry nonsense. The same area can cost the same for different volumes, and in different ways with the same volumes. This is a surprise.

maybe, of course, but as a SPECIAL case of the general given regulations

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Are you really that bad with your head? If the construction is atypical, local estimates are drawn up first. Which are then reduced to an object

Whether feet with a completely missing head-talk about her?
AGAIN it did not come from the first time - so read ten, a hundred times, until it comes - what is the stance volume for?

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You will decide, to begin with, what exactly you are talking about. And when you stop confusing the cadastral and those passports, then go ahead.

the cadastral passport has long been gone. Data sheet-see above

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https://base.garant.ru/3922125/7dede6ac8f25be619ed07c17ed1c62c9/
Enjoy. And with your technique ..

here is written the SAME that I have:B = area to height, with specifying nuances.

WHEN will it come to stool dogs?

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It remains to bring a document that the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs worked in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation

Well, exactly, Lavrov: he is building. the volume was indicated in the EXPLANATORY NOTE-obligatory section of the PD, according to SNiP.
And then they made dimensional drawings in reality of the completed building and EVERY room in it.

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A reference to something adequate, well, for example, will it not be difficult?

y, you have been given a COUNCIL ORDER NUMBER with the date - WHAT else could be more accurate ?!
Into the library and go!

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These are not primary sources, but quotes from a work of art, in a pseudo-historical style.

what ignorant funny feet you are given the names, numbers and STORAGE NUMBERS of the archived documents: GARF. F. 9401 On. 2. Sheet 443, Sheet 215-216

GARF. F. 9405. On. 6. Sheet 406, Sheet 201-212
Or other legs do not understand WHAT is it?

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With the same success, I can throw links to my books. In which the mechanics of RPG toys work on Earth, and elves roam the Moscow region.
Do you want to throw links? Throw it. But precisely on the primary sources. Well, or on authors who may be controversial, such as Mukhin, but who at least were not caught on the fact that they personally compose the documents they need. But to drag all sorts of muddy types that even a fake can not compose, without three mistakes ... No need for such happiness

what a pitiful flutter of DOCUMENTS pinned to toenail
And it's not a shame ...

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Olgovich

SNiP, providing for the mandatory composition of design and executive documentation

Appeared after Stalin's death. A surprise, right?

Quote: Olgovich

maybe, of course, but as a SPECIAL case of the general rule given

During the construction of an object of a purely individual project. all cases will be private. And the construction volume, at least about the cost of the project, at least about the volume of work / materials, will say exactly the same as the price of a glass of seeds in Uryupinsk, will tell about the direction of the wind in Madrid.

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- what is the stance volume for?

In a specific case, a specific summer residence of an individual project? Well, if in theory ... Calculate the number of fire extinguishers. And like a hare a stop signal.

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it says the SAME that I have

Sadness, longing. On fingers. We have 2 buildings. Both have the same length-width-height parameters. They just match up to a height ... Let's say 2 meters. Then the width and length of the second one becomes 10 times less than that of the first. According to your avant-garde method, their construction volume will be equal.

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troite. the volume was indicated in the EXPLANATORY NOTE-obligatory section of the PD, according to SNiP.

Which will be invented in 10 years.

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you have been given the CONSIDER'S REGULATION NUMBER

Which does not break through on any resource.

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DOCUMENTS

A document, a little pap, is a scan, for example, or at least a link to a respected and uncontested source - dokhistorirusia, russarchive portal, the same history. And the fables of a muddy writer, they are fables.
By the way. About birds.
portal archives of Russia.

Bulletin of declassified documents of the federal state archives No. 5

The required resolution was not found. That's the trouble.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Appeared after Stalin's death.

more in 1930 year came out "Rules and regulations for the development of populated areas, design and construction of buildings and structures "- the forerunner of SNiP

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Qty fire extinguishers calculate

Legs are quite kuku: what university / vocational school graduated these guys, I wonder?
Even not a builder knows about fire safety standards (the basis of design basics) and the corresponding EXPENSIVE design solutions (AR, VK, etc.) depending on the volume of structures.

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Let's say 2 meters. Then the width and length of the second one becomes 10 times less than that of the first.

calculating the volume for one width and length and then for another and folding is a daunting task, yes ...

Summary by volume: "would-be builder" does not know the elementary normative technical and economic indicators of construction, which is the construction of the volume.

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Which is not breaks through on any resource

it is because "The blow has been delivered heavy blunt object-head "(with)

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Document, paw, this is a scan, for example, well, or at least a link

Learn what a "document is, according to the Federal Law

The State Archives of the Russian Federation (GARF) - stores DOCUMENTS of the highest authorities and government bodies of the USSR.

You are given the NUMBERS OF STORAGE of documents in the STATE ARCHIVE of the Russian Federation indicating the Fund, Inventory and sheets:
GARF. F. 9401 On. 2. Sheet 443, Sheet 215-216

GARF. F. 9405. On. 6. Sheet 406, Sheet 201-212

Go, order and hack on your forehead WHAT they did FOR their whims in a country dying from hunger and devastation, how they worked there, like slaves 14-15 hours and died soldiersthat they didn't even want to feed normally:

replace the prescribed meat ration by 50% of fish. The herring was given out. Mainly beans were given on account of cereals. The soldiers are working 14 - 15 hours
GARF. F. 9305. On. 5. Sheet 489, Sheet 190-193

A disgrace for the feet and "carers" about the people ...

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Olgovich

back in 1930, the "Rules and norms for the development of populated areas,

That's just the concept of building volume is absent in them. I checked.

Quote: Olgovich

calculating the volume for one width and length and then for another and folding is a daunting task, yes ...

What was said if you follow the link. But you certainly need to multiply by the height.

Quote: Olgovich

Learn what a "document is, according to the Federal Law

Federal Law of 29.12.1994 N 77-FZ (as amended on 08.06.2020) "On the obligatory copy of documents"
Article 1. Basic concepts
document - a tangible medium with information fixed on it in any form in the form of text, sound recordings, images and (or) their combination, which has requisites that allow it to be identified, and is intended to be transmitted in time and space for public use and storage;

About which you have been told more than once. That the opus of an incomprehensible sweeper of pants (this is not an insult, this is a profession in which another whistleblower has been working for 30 years) is not a document.

Quote: Olgovich

You are given the NUMBERS OF STORAGE of documents in the STATE ARCHIVE of the Russian Federation indicating the Fund, Inventory and sheets:
GARF. F. 9405. On. 6. Sheet 406, Sheet 201-212

The only problem is that there is only one inventory in fund 9405. And here's the trouble, at number 1, not 6.
I understand everything, the opus was written 10 years ago, when the GARF portal was just being created. Rooms from the ceiling had to be taken, but no luck.
And what about the "secret resolution of the Council of Ministers"? As it turned out, there are no declassified ones on the list, the pants cleaner will obviously not be allowed into the secret. For disclosure, they will definitely go to jail. How did a professional dry cleaner get into a secure facility, and then escaped punishment for theft and disclosure of classified data? Agent 007, livelier than all the living?

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

That's just the concept of building volume is absent in them.

missing (canceled) cadastral passport presented by ignorant feet. Builds the volume of structures was and is always-in the project and as-built measurement drawings.

Quote: Lannan Shi

What was said

exactly as it was said and shown by me and what the legs are about, neither sleep nor break

And dacha No. 11, with ignorance about which the legs were worn out, had several 15 thousand m3 of volume, which meant THOUSAND m2 of ELITE area, plus dacha No. 5, plus houses, hotels, terraces, roads (205 THOUSAND m3 ROCKS demolished) and other abomination (where soldiers, like slaves, worked on 14-16 hours / day) is TENS / hundreds of thousands of m2 of UN-built housing in a destroyed country

Quote: Lannan Shi

About what

which is what you are told: finally, you learned your legs, WHAT is "DOCUMENT" (yes, this is not a "link to .." and your other nonsense)

Quote: Lannan Shi

Problem

only in their legs - they have no ... brains
.
DOCUMENT :"Memorandum Minister of Internal Affairs S.N. Kruglova Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU "On work on the construction of facilities in the area of ​​Lake Ritsa"

09 June 1948 г

Source:

GARF
Phone:
P 9401 On. 2

Name: Copies of letters, special messages, memoranda and other documents sent to the Deputy Chairman CM USSR Comrade Beria L.P. https://statearchive.ru/

In the same section Memorandum Minister of Internal Affairs S.N. Kruglov in Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU "On the construction of a road around Lake Ritsa»

September 17, 1949 ".

And now the office chairwoman, the trouser cleaner, the professional dry cleaner (will the freed / unreleased partisans / secretary of the secretary of staff?) Let him tell WHO could ... invent this and for WHAT:

Memorandum of the Minister of Internal Affairs S.N. Kruglov to the Council of Ministers of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU "On the construction of a road around Lake Ritsa"

17 September 1949 of

Ow. top secret

Council of Ministers of the USSR, Central Committee of the CPSU

To the Chairman of the Council of Ministers

Union of the SSR to Comrade Stalin
On October 17, 1946, the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs received a decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 2323 - 985 with "On the construction of state dacha facilities No. 5 in the area of ​​Lake Ritsa". By this decree, the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs was entrusted with the construction of a motor road along the shores of Lake Ritsa with a length of 7 km and from Lake Ritsa to the Uatkhara valley, with a length of 16-20 km. By this resolution, the USSR Council of Ministers obliged the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs to coordinate all design and survey work on the construction of the road with the USSR Ministry of State Security.

The design and construction of the road around Lake Ritsa and up to Uatkhara was entrusted to units of the 2nd road-building division of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, which at that time was carrying out work on the reconstruction of the Black Sea Highway ...

The technical design for the construction of this highway ... was submitted for consideration and approval to the Main Security Directorate of the Ministry of State Security of the USSR ...

In the future, all issues related to the construction of the road, if necessary, were also agreed with the representative of the Main Security Directorate of the USSR Ministry of State Security, Comrade Abramenko.

The construction of a road around Lake Ritsa and other works in the area of ​​this lake were completed on time.

Work on the construction of the road to the Uathara valley was delayed due to the encountered geological difficulties and ended in early September 1949.

The road was built with a carriageway width of 3,5 meters in accordance with the technical design with a black-gravel surface. Along the entire length of the road, 29 medium and small bridges were built, with a total length of 272 running meters ...

shiza and paranoia rage at ... feet.

Quote: Lannan Shi

And what about the "secret resolution of the Council of Ministers"?

"herself, herself!" (C)
GARF R5446 1 286

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Olgovich

Builds the volume of structures was and is always-in the project and as-built measurement drawings

It is always not a date, it is always an abstraction. You have provided a link to the document. According to the requirements of which the alleged report was drawn up. The concept of building volume is absent in it. How did the terms from at least 1946 appear in the 1956 document?

Quote: Olgovich

And dacha No. 11, with ignorance of which the legs were obsolete, had several 15 thousand m3 of volume,

Documentary in the studio. Not the beating of a portomoy, sucked out of the finger, but a scan, or a link to the contents of an archive site, or at least to a book published by an official institution.

Quote: Olgovich

WHO could ... invent this and for WHAT:

Sick gna whole head anti-Stalinist. Well, or do not care by convictions, who decided to raise money for the sick on the whole head.

Quote: Olgovich

"herself, herself!" (C)

What exactly is it? I myself have already struck that I did not withdraw from such a resolution in the stamp secret. That the author of the opus, from which you pulled this fake, is a simple trouser cleaner, who does not secretly have a profession that gives the right to access materials with a stamp, he did not occupy positions giving the right to such access. That this author sculpts links to simply non-existent documents, yes yes. the same sixth inventory. That is, this shot was not even in the relatively accessible open part. What else herself? Find clearly fake reports and resolutions on your own? I do not tackle the unfeasible, and looking for something that does not exist is not my profile.
In general, that little paw, it was you who undertook to squeal about a summer residence, in 15.000 cubic meters of volume and the evidence falls on you. Here are just proofs, not references to fiction. Otherwise, you will have to weave the tale of Tsar Saltan as evidence of a full cellar of emeralds at the IVS.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Sick gna whole head anti-Stalinist. Well, or do not care by convictions, who decided to raise money for the sick on the whole head.

Monarchist of blue blood. Everyone is waiting for his grandfather's house in St. Petersburg to be given back.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

It is always not a date, it is always an abstraction. You have provided a link to the document. According to the requirements of which the alleged report was drawn up. The concept of building volume is absent in it. How did the terms from at least 1946 appear in the 1956 document?

The term "construction volume" has ALWAYS existed - since the construction of any structures exists.
Was in the norms and executive drawings until 1956

Quote: Lannan Shi

Documentary in the studio. Not the beating of a portomoy, sucked out of the finger, but a scan, or a link to the contents of an archive site, or at least to a book published by an official institution

The document is presented with the indication of the storage unit number in the GARF. And this is not the proverbial attempts of a portomoy, a chairperson-party secretary, sucked out of his finger, but a document.

March to the GARF and go ahead and study!

Quote: Lannan Shi

Sick gna whole head anti-Stalinist. Well, or do not care by convictions, who decided to raise money for the sick on the whole head.

Why invent-there and so there is no place to put samples?

Quote: Lannan Shi

I myself have already struck

a heavy blunt object-head.
Decision of the Council of Ministers - in GARF Р5446 1 286.
Go and read, trouser cleaner

Quote: Lannan Shi

In general, that little paw, it was you who undertook to squeal about the dacha, in 15.000 cubic meters of volume and the evidence falls on you.

ALL documents-decisions on construction and on the progress of construction and storage numbers are given: GARF R5446 1 286 and
Phone:
GARF, P 9401. On. 2

"Name: Copies of letters, special messages, memoranda and other documents sent to the Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR Comrade L. Beria. Https://statearchive.ru/

And also - a march to Lake Ritsa - there you will feel with your hands "non-existent" summer cottages 11 and 5, "non-existent" roads, hotels and restaurants, and only dull feet can say that they ... are not there and that they were built without orders and reports.

Legs are the first to reject the existing reality.

[svp67]

Quote: Olgovich

Memorandum of the Minister of the Interior

Excuse me, have you ever had to deal with Soviet stamped documents? Apparently not, since one glance at the "cap" of this "letter" makes it clear that this is LAZHA

[Olgovich]

Quote: svp67

Excuse me, have you ever had to deal with Soviet stamped documents? Apparently not, since one glance at the "cap" of this "letter" makes it clear that this is LAZHA

Sorry, LADY is to deny the existing REALITY: there are Stalinist dachas on the Ritsa actually , and they were built not at the behest of a pike, but by order of at least the Council of Ministers in any case.

Presented NUMBERS OF STORAGE of documents in GARF- GARF, P 9401. On. 2: go and study. When you do not find, then declare. The text is NOT a scan, but the text (this is for the header) ..

When driving on Lake Ritsa, yes, - visit "Non-existent" summer cottages 5 and 11, roads, security houses, hydroelectric power stations, etc., and find out from the old-timers, when they were built and who was there.

[svp67]

Quote: Olgovich

Presented by NUMBERS OF STORAGE of documents in GARF-GARF, R 9401. On. 2: go and study. When you do not find, then declare. The text is NOT a scan, but the text (this is for the header) ..

And this tex is a complete LADY ...
Have you checked that yourself?
GARF R5446 are documents for 1937. What is the Council of Ministers at this time? What are you talking about?
Fund No. R-9401. MINISTRY OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE USSR (Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR). 1934-1960 u this is closer to the case But there are about 2 cases in Inventory No. 1000 ... the case number is it possible?

[Olgovich]

Quote: svp67

And this tex is a complete LADY ...

this text is complete TRUTH: impossible SUCH details to "come up with" -about the customer, designer, performer, lengths, volumes, composition of objects and characteristics (and they are all in kind). WHO needs it at all?

Quote: svp67

GARF R5446 are documents for 1937. What is the Council of Ministers at this time? What are you talking about?

is:

Р5446 1 286 Originals of resolutions of the Council of Ministers of the USSR No. 2230-2400 03.10.1946 - 27.10.1946

Are you talking about?

Quote: svp67

Fund No. R-9401. MINISTRY OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF THE USSR (Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR). 1934-1960 u this is closer to the case But there are about 2 cases in Inventory No. 1000 ... the case number is it possible?

P9401 2 209

[svp67]

Quote: Olgovich

Are you talking about?

The fact that in 1937 there was a SovNarkom in the USSR, the Council of People's Commissars

Quote: Olgovich

P9401 2 209

That is, case 209, LET'S LOOK

[Olgovich]

Quote: svp67

The fact that in 1937 there was a SovNarkom in the USSR, the Council of People's Commissars

and I mean that (ONCE AGAIN!) GARF R5446 1 286 -this "Originals regulations OF THE COUNCIL OF MINISTERS OF THE USSR No. 2230-2400
behind 03.10.1946 - 27.10.1946 " the years when there was no trace of any SNC-https: //statearchive.ru.

GARF ... wrong?

Quote: svp67

That is, case 209, LET'S LOOK

well, fine

[AnderS]

Finish demonstrating your intellectual and educational level. Already tired of laughing at your pearls. Already the last poor student realized that you understand construction like a pig in oranges ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: AnderS

Already the last poor student realized that you understand construction like a pig in oranges ...

don't pigs talk about oranges

[AnderS]

I am glad that you agree with me.

[Olgovich]

Quote: AnderS

I am glad that in.

Cheerful pig with an orange is

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Lannan Shi

By the way. The Constantine Palace was in ruins only during the Second World War, and it was repaired for 4 years. Before and after the Second World War ... Educational institution.

Let's just say that in the 90s, the Konstantinovsky Palace steadily degraded back into ruins.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Alexey RA

Let's just say that in the 90s, the Konstantinovsky Palace steadily degraded back into ruins.

Well, this is already a new, correct one, the authorities have hurried in advance.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lannan Shi

show-off to throw one kid. The truth is very specific

Envy, hate? Chi sho? Lady from Ukraine?

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Olgovich

to build a comfortable city for 200 people living in ZEMLYANKI.

Well ... probably a city for 200.000 people living in Khrushchev would be better ...

But why did you decide that people would leave the dugouts, like a wave of the hand, if they immediately began to build "Khrushchevs" without architectural excesses and saving on palaces? Everything takes time! Anyway! During the restoration of the city, temporary housing was often built (barracks ... people had to live somewhere.), And not dugouts ... then comfortable houses ... although there was also construction of "semi-comfortable" apartment buildings like hostels ... For there were too many homeless people; and the construction of "full-fledged" houses required more time, resources, money ... There was a large decline in the male population, and "Gaster" was not brought in then! Therefore, housing was built more slowly than they wanted ... and people lived in dugouts longer than they wanted! Even with the availability of funds, houses could not "grow in the blink of an eye", if only because of the lack of labor! Dugouts were more "common" in rural areas in burned villages; and in Western Ukraine and Belarus they were there even before the war ... and on the outskirts of cities, where people often built dugouts themselves, so that there would be at least some kind of housing ... There was too much "devastation" ... there was not enough for everything no time, no resources! First of all, cities were restored ... and cities "larger"; cities are industry ... and in cities, enterprises were primarily restored ... because. industry is the urgency of the existence of the state! It is worth paying attention to the cities of "wartime"! Which arose during the war, as the location of the factories removed from the occupied territories ... Then there was no time for the construction of comfortable housing! And after the war, they received attention according to the "residual principle"; since many people returned to their former place of residence, as did businesses! The construction of Stalin's "luxurious palace" immediately after the war is a "drop in the ocean" on the scale of the entire construction of that time and on the scale required!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Well ... probably a city for 200.000 people living in Khrushchev would be better ...

without "probably" - better instead of a wildly expensive pretentious unnecessary skyscraper in 1947

[Sugar Honeyovich]

Quote: Olgovich

instead of one, for example, a skyscraper, with its bas-reliefs with fat dancing women and fatty cherubs, it was possible to build a comfortable city for 200 people living in ZEMLYANKI.

It could be. An eternal Russian problem. "Prokhor Savelich calculates how much it costs the count and his family only one day of life. And I listen and think: my God, my God! Why, for what good deeds are you so merciful and generous to the count? And why are you to other people so cruel and merciless? After all, if the count was fasting for only one day, and the money that will save on this, hand over to our village - what happiness it would be! We would not have a single horseless and cowless yard ... The gravy boat continues to calculate other expenses: trips, theaters, music, guests. And the cost of maintaining such a large house in the capital? Or - a Gatchina dacha? The numbers are growing ... Prokhor Savelich asks me: how many poor people are there in our village? I tell him. He begins to distribute the count's daily expense among the poor. It turns out: one day of saving, not a single seedy inhabitant would remain in our village. All of them would be with cattle and all would be dressed in all factory clothes. And here these expenses and the work of many people go only to ensure that the count and small family feltmyself well. " (A.S. Novikov-Surf).
In our time, it is also relevant!

[ivan2022]

Yes! ONLY A SINGLE VOICE OF THE PROFI PRIOR "OLGOVICH A" - as always strictly on every issue - against everything that happened in the USSR ... A nursery rhyme comes to mind: "Oh, Mary, Mary, how bad it is in the USSR ..."

[kalibr]

And what did he write a lie about the dacha on the Ritsa?

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: kalibr

And what did he write a lie about the dacha on the Ritsa?

Agas. Lies like for a salary. Which is usually for him, however. There is a photo of this most luxurious cottage above. And now a question for filling. How many thousands of apartments can be built instead of it.
Ato the patient somehow forgot to give the exact figure. Just thousands. So guess how much it is. Simple thousands, or tens of thousands, or hundreds. Or maybe even two Moscow could have been built, instead of a shed of 500 meters.
PS
But I wrote Oh .... You're right in the top ten

[kalibr]

And count the hydroelectric power station, and the road. In general, in addition to looking at the photos, you should also read the text.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: kalibr

And count the hydroelectric power station, and the road. In general, in addition to looking at the photos, you should also read the text.

And .... hydroelectric power station ... Well, yes. A concrete wall, tens of meters high and hundreds of meters long. Hundreds of pieces of equipment, thousands of excavators, for months and years ... If chu, then I'm talking about Dneproges. A hydroelectric power station on the Aucetaki river is a wall 10 meters long and a meter high. With a 200 horsepower turbine. By the way. The foundation for the fence, I have, looks much more epic. Let the height be from 0.4 to 0.8, but the length is 270. And take my word for it, it certainly does not pull for thousands of apartments. Flooded with her husband, with a periodic infusion of additional labor, in the form of my daddy and his brother. With a concrete mixer, 2 shovels, 1 wheelbarrow and three or four buckets. It's done on the weekend. For 1 season. True, there is still a shed at the hydroelectric power station, with a turbine, and a pipe supplying water to it, but even all together ... It does not even pull for a Moscow odnushka. Yeah. A hydroelectric power station, by the way. built almost 10 years before the cottage. And the construction of the road was done from 1932 to 36. And it does not belong to the dacha in any way. I already wrote. Read olgovich's comments less. Usually, there is 99 to 100 percent of outright nonsense.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Lannan Shi

And the construction of the road is completely 1932 on 36... And it does not belong to the dacha in any way. I already wrote.

fuuu, it won again with its feet:

17 October 1946 g... Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR ... "On the construction of state dacha facilities No. 5 in the area of ​​Lake Ritsa". By this decree, the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs was entrusted with construction of a road along the shores of Lake Ritsa stretching 7 km and from Lake Ritsa to the Uathara valley, 16-20 km long.
The construction of the road around Lake Ritsa and other works in the area of ​​this lake were completed on time.

Work on the construction of the road to the Uathara valley was delayed due to the encountered geological difficulties and ended in early September 1949.

... All along the road built 29 medium and small bridges, with a total length of 272 running meters.

The construction took place in difficult mountain conditions, the volume of rock work amounted to 205 thousand cubic meters. On the construction of the Lake Ritsa - Uathara road, 3 road construction battalions were employed.

Got it, no?

Deceit, ignorance, illiteracy, professional incompetence of the legs are amazing and believing their stupid ideas is not respecting yourself.

[PCF]

For example, "olgovich" repeatedly wrote about a 600-square-meter floating veranda, and the infallible Wikipedia writes --- "A 230-square-meter floating veranda was also built on the lake, with a bridge to the main house."
Who once lied to believe?

[Olgovich]

Quote: PCF

"olgovich" repeatedly wrote about the floating veranda, area of 600 squares,

not an area, but a VOLUME of 600 m3, you who cannot read our

[AnderS]

not an area, but a VOLUME of 600 m3, you who cannot read our

I don’t know about the others, but you, with your "volumes", specifically lifted me up ... Do you measure your apartment with cubes too?

[Olgovich]

Quote: AnderS

I don’t know about the others, but you, with your "volumes", specifically lifted me up ... Do you measure your apartment with cubes too?

you have been lifted up by your own ignorance: it is building. volume-one of the main TE indicators of building, provided for by design standards

To school!

[AnderS]

you were lifted up by your own ignorance:

No, my friend, I am aware that the construction volume appears in the TEP of buildings, but judging by the volume of the area and even more so the cost of a building can only be amateurs like you. And to speak about the volume of the floating veranda, this already does not fit into any gate ...

[Olgovich]

Quote: AnderS

No, my friend, I am aware that the construction volume appears in the TEP of buildings, but judging by the volume of the area

You don’t know what he’s there for.

And yes, little boy, not to judge (approximately) the area of ​​a building, with a known volume and approximately a known height, can only be frank from, and never mastered the arithmetic operation, by which it is recognized how many times one number is contained in another.

[AnderS]

You don’t know what he’s there for.

But I see that you are aware of everything ... You are probably very sad, like Eeyore's donkey, for it is said: "In many knowledge there are many sorrows." Your tombstone will probably say: "He knew too much")))

[Olgovich]

Quote: AnderS

But I see that you are aware of everything ... You are probably very sad, like Eeyore's donkey, for it is said: "In many knowledge there are many sorrows." Your tombstone will probably say: "He knew too much")))

Andes donkeys are just buried in a hole

[depressant]

Hundreds of million rubles were spent, which could be used to build housing for tens of thousands living in dugouts

Olgovich, this was the price of the security of the head of state, who put his life on the fact that decent housing was built for tens of thousands living in dugouts. This was the goal of this head of state. Which was consistently implemented.
This is in comparison with credit slavery, into which the entire population is now driven by banks, and the head of state cannot resist this. Or does not want to, considering this situation normal in the absence of a sufficient number of jobs with decent wages.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: depressant

Olgovich, this was the price of the security of the head of state, who put his life on the fact that decent housing was built for tens of thousands living in dugouts. This was the goal of this head of state. Which was consistently implemented.
This is in comparison with credit slavery, into which the entire population is now driven by banks, and the head of state cannot resist this. Or does not want to, considering this situation normal in the absence of a sufficient number of jobs with decent wages.

1) Safety can be ensured by a good bunker with a fenced yard for walking from above - a couple of acres And in the bunker there are three rooms and the property - an office, a bedroom and a dining room - it is also a meeting room, the rest is for service personnel, a technician, communications, etc. Well, the health pool is also upstairs. But not fountains, columns and precious woods.
2) The most successful countries in the world take out mortgages - what's wrong with that?
3) "Decent" housing was built by Khrushchev - mine was transferred from the barrack to a three-room apartment, others were less fortunate - two-room Khrushchevs.

[depressant]

Albert, you are stubborn! )))
Well, I didn't want to get involved in an argument, but you are getting me involved. Under Khrushchev, a different political system suddenly formed? Have the goals of the state changed? From a certain point of view, they changed among the political elite, and it had to be shown that under Stalin it was bad, but with us it was good, we are giving you housing, so follow us, we will not let you down (and we let you down, not like that right?).
Are you sure that the same thing with housing would not have happened under Stalin, only in the best performance? Not in the form of faceless Khrushchev, but in the form of dignified and diverse architectural solutions? If he hadn't died at the wrong time?

[Krasnodar]

Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
I want to say that the construction of housing is not Stalin's merit.

[depressant]

I want to say that the construction of housing is not Stalin's merit.

It is very naive to blame the deceased Stalin for not being able to do everything at once during his lifetime - to win a terrible war, and to restore the economy on a territory almost equal in area to the whole of Western Europe, and to create an atomic bomb, protecting us, who are now living, and build housing for everyone. Well, Comrade Stalin did not have enough strength for these Khrushchevs! The tasks listed before housing seemed more important to him, because having solved them, you can reach the Khrushchevs. And if you start with the Khrushchevs, then you may not have time to get to the creation of atomic weapons and the restoration of the economy.

[AnderS]

I want to say that the construction of housing is not Stalin's merit.

Seriously?! The construction may not be, but the construction of the house-building factories that built this very housing is largely due to Stalin.

[Krasnodar]

Maybe in many ways

[Severomor]

Quote: depressant

Are you sure that the same thing with housing would not have happened under Stalin, only in the best performance? Not in the form of faceless Khrushchev, but in the form of dignified and diverse architectural solutions? If he hadn't died at the wrong time?

I'm sure it would.
Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR V.A.Malyshev recorded in his diary the content of a conversation with Stalin during a meeting with him on June 17, 1949:
“There was a Politburo on the 25-year plan for the reconstruction of Moscow. At the end of the speech, Comrade Stalin said approximately the following: "... To respect Moscow as a capital, you need to make it beautiful. We must remember that the capital strengthens the state. We obviously made a mistake by allowing Muscovites to draw up a 25-year plan. In particular, the development of technology cannot be taken into account. It is necessary to abandon the 25-year plan. It would be wiser to draw up a 10-year plan. Now a few comments on the essence of the project. It is necessary that most of Moscow would be built up with 8-10-storey buildings and 25 - 30% - 12 - 14-storey buildings. This will be more economical than the proposal to build up Moscow with 4 - 5-storey buildings. Industrial development in Moscow should be stopped, and enterprises that spoil the air should be removed from Moscow. to build a lot of empty buildings (clubs, palaces, etc.). This is wrong. It is necessary to put all the strength into the construction of housing and expand the housing crisis ... ""

[Olgovich]

Quote: depressant

it was the price of the safety of the head of state

and how the summer cottage on Lake Ritsa, built in 1946-48 for hundreds of millions of rubles, strengthened ... the safety of the head and got rid of dugouts?
By the way, the head of state was officially Kalinin

Quote: depressant

This is compared to credit slavery

this "slavery" (no one is forced) cannot be compared with the passportless slavery of Russian poor peasants in the middle of the 20th century, with obligatory corvee, quitrent (with money and absolutely wild in the 20th century, natural), which can be corrected

Quote: depressant

the head of state cannot. Or does not want to, considering this situation normal

[depressant]

and how the summer cottage on Lake Ritsa, built in 1946-48 for hundreds of millions of rubles, strengthened ... the safety of the head and got rid of dugouts?

The dacha on Lake Ritsa strengthened the security not of Stalin, but the security of the country, protecting it from the loss of Stalin as a result of a terrorist attack. And it was worth it.

[Olgovich]

Quote: depressant

The dacha on Lake Ritsa strengthened the security not of Stalin, but the security of the country, protecting it from the loss of Stalin as a result of a terrorist attack. And it was worth it.

Tell us about the terrorist attacks against Stalin after the Second World War and how did his security increase in the dacha, where he practically never was?

[zenion]

depressant. But Stalin was not without reason afraid of his entourage. He did not take a single dacha with him and did not leave a will on them for his children, these were not Stalin's dachas, but state ones and they remained for the state. A million homes and jobs were built for the people. The atomic defense of the state was built and by the end of the 40s he was preparing to transfer power to the people. The then communists, not Bolsheviks, wanted to rule and have a profit and yachts and slaves, now they have. No matter how much the ball spins, it will completely untwist and ropes will be twisted from the threads.

[Captain45]

Quote: Olgovich

in a wild place in the Caucasus Mountains on Lake Ritsa, the construction of a luxurious mansion, trimmed with valuable species of wood in 15 thousand m3 of volume with a floating veranda of 600 m3 on the lake, with a huge park with fountains and alleys, its own hydroelectric power station, a boiler room, VKTS networks, a tunnel, special highway 20 km, paved by explosions in the mountains to the dacha, security houses, guests, etc.

Wasn't it in this mansion that about fifty German physicists were settled, that they did an atomic bomb? They were later awarded Stalin and State prizes, and one even became a Hero of Socialist Labor.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Captain45

Wasn't it in this mansion that about fifty German physicists were settled, that they did an atomic bomb?

no.
The history of the dacha is quite well known today - there were no strangers there, and Stalin himself was almost never there, he did not have time.

[Looking for]

NO! How do you know?

[BAI]

In 1946, in a destroyed country

The number of scientific institutions increased in 1950 in comparison with 1940 by 40%. The fastest growing were mechanical engineering, chemistry, and electricity production: the production of excavators increased by 12,9 times, weaving machines by 7,25 times, rolling equipment by 6,5 times, and electric motors.
alternating current - 3,7 times, combine harvesters - 3,7 times, tractors - 3,5 times, forging machines - 2,4 times, turbines - 2,25 times, chemical fibers and threads - 2,2 times times, electricity by 88%. The construction of two hydroelectric power plants on the Volga began.
Since 1946, work has been launched: related to atomic energy and nuclear weapons. Just a year after the end of the war, the first nuclear reactor on the continent for scientific purposes was launched, and in 1949 the first Soviet atomic bomb was launched; with rocket technology; with automation
production processes (in 1946 the first automatic line was launched, in 1948 the control of 25 largest hydroelectric power plants was automated, in 1950 the world's first automatic plant for automobile pistons was commissioned); using a computer (the first computer was created in 1950)

For 1946-1950 201 million m2 of housing was commissioned, which is almost the same as for all the pre-war five-year plans combined. The state and collective farms have introduced 18540 schools, and 102 thousand places have been introduced for kindergartens only at the expense of the state. The number of university students in 1950 in comparison with 1940 increased by 50%, doctors by 50%, and continued to grow in Soviet times, and infant mortality decreased by more than 2 times (in 1940 - 180 deaths per 1000 children ; in 1950 - 81 deaths per 1000 children) and

was the lowest in the world until the end of the 80s.

[Olgovich]

Quote: BAI

For 1946-1950 was introducedn 201 million m2 of housing, which is almost the same as for all pre-war five-year plans together

false agitation: introduced in 1956-1950 104 million m2 of housing (including restored and barracks) see ist. Russian Statistical Yearbook - 2007

[Foul skeptic]

false agitation: in 1956-1950, 104 million m2 of housing were commissioned (including restored and barracks) see source. Russian Statistical Yearbook - 2007

The source indicated by you shows the commissioning of housing only in the RSFSR, and not in the USSR.

[Foul skeptic]

Did you figure it out if you deleted the message with the link? I'm glad about that.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Did you figure it out if you deleted the message with the link? I'm glad about that.

I thought that you finally figured out, but no ...

Go for it, yeah.

[Foul skeptic]

What are you talking about? You were just shown your mistake. You immediately did the second, but you yourself were able to figure it out. Before I showed a scan of 109 pages from the collection "The National Economy of the USSR for 1913-1955" to which you referred in a deleted message, and point out where you were mistaken again.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Nefarious skeptic

Are you talking about?

Didn't get it again?

Your problems.

to freedom!

[Foul skeptic]

You manage to arrange a booth out of a banal trifle in the form of an obvious "oversight" mistake. I have never seen such a degree of insecurity in people.
Enough courage to answer - the source you indicated (Russian Statistical Yearbook - 2007) indicates the introduction of housing in the RSFSR or in the USSR?

[Illanatol]

In 1946, in a devastated country with a starving earthling population

But in tsarist Russia, all the resources of the empire were used to build houses for the poor.
For example, for the peasants who moved to the cities to work, they simply built real villas.
But for some reason the ungrateful subjects did not even think to intercede for the tsar and the autocracy (when they were sent to the dump) and were not eager to vote for the monarchist parties in the State Duma and the US.

[Podvodnik]

it was possible to build housing for tens of thousands living in dugouts

The parents' village (near Chausy) was liberated in 1944. During the retreat, the Germans burned it down. Until 1947, my mother and her family lived in a dugout. In 47, the "bloody Stalinist regime" built a hut (house) for them. It still stands. My aunt lives there now.
I quit for health reasons in 97. Housing through the courts received only sixteen years after his dismissal. Although the status law guaranteed housing for three months.
Well, whose word and whose guarantees and laws are worth what? Then and now?
Who is the chatterbox and who did the deed?

[fuffi]

15 to him personally owned summer cottages! This figure is called by the guides at the Stalinist dacha in Musser, but on the Internet the exact number of dachas that were in use Stalin is not called.

the author modestly manipulated concepts. still owned or owned by the state, but used by the head of a large country.

[Vladimir_2U]

And it so happened that Comrade Stalin really did not leave behind ten palaces that belonged to him personally. But he left behind ... 15 summer cottages that belonged to him personally!

The author is so eager to expose the Bolsheviks that he does not even see the difference between personal property and state property.

Well, the author's lack of complexities about his insignificance as a historical person does not hurt the eyes, not at all:

Preserved and unique mirrors, made to increase the growth of Stalin. They say that the leader was very complex because of his small stature and therefore could not stand all the tall ones.

... Stalin's damned legacy has reached absolutely all clothing stores, whether male or female!

[Krasnodar]

The author is so eager to expose the Bolsheviks that he does not even see the difference between personal property and state property.

But Comrade Stalin, as a servant of the Soviet people, lived like a simple hard worker - a tycoon from the decaying West.
You are right - you didn’t leave billions in a Swiss bank for the kids, and saved on yourself, your beloved, for the sake of the people's happiness. I didn't even fly by plane - I traveled by VIP train so as not to burn the kerosene of the proletariat.
By the way, I want to ask an agent of the Japanese, Latvian and Mexican intelligence services, an activist of the nationalist petty-bourgeois organization Joint and simply, comrades, an enemy of the people - Citizen Shpakovsky:
That's why the proletarian needs Bidet, eh? Comrade Stalin, using the plumbing of the whole people, thought about the fate of the population of the happiest country of workers and peasants, and twice - once a sitting, but why should a worker sit? The homeland needs coal - to quickly squat down and go to work, overfulfill the plan!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Comrade Stalin, using the nationwide plumbing, thought about the fate of the people, and twice - once a sitting, but why should a worker sit?

What, the brownie splashes in the head, breaks out? Does it prevent you from remembering the mass construction of housing, general education and health care for workers and peasants? Look about the toilets for the proletariat to attend to.

[Krasnodar]

What, the brownie splashes in the head, breaks out

Where did they take the colostomy to? Advanced Soviet development? Two in one? ))

Makes it difficult to remember about the massive construction of housing

Are you talking about Khrushchev?

about general education

Leninsky Likbez and its further derivatives

health care for workers and peasants?

Traumatology was super - for the earliest possible return of a unit of production to the labor process of the Five-Year Plan. The vascular surgery was decent too. But in oncology the lag was 30 years (from the decaying West), in abdominal surgery the same, because who needs to squander folk remedies on a broken screw of the system? CT scan in every hospital and loot for chemotherapy - what are the servants of the people from the party functionaries in the country will remain, eh ???

Look about the toilets for the proletariat to attend to

I'm not about toilets, I'm about a society of universal equality

[datura23]

why should you be equal to me, for example?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: datura23

why should you be equal to me, for example?

Should not. But according to Soviet ideology, there should not have been such a significant difference between the standard of living of proletarians of mental and physical labor. The standard of living of a very successful completion of the Western tycoon was that of Comrade Stalin.

[datura23]

Well, why did the professors have enough for servants under Stalin, but there were also lower positions with a minimum wage? Why did he allow property stratification? Yes, its degree was not as catastrophic as it is now, but what do you suggest? Sharikov's method? Again, for the happiness of everyone, to drain the blood from the part?

[Krasnodar]

Well, why did the professors have enough for servants under Stalin?

A professor, a military leader, a factory director and a party functionary are different things, don't you think?

, but there were also lower-level positions with a minimum wage

There were, the USSR was not a country of universal equality. Under Israeli socialism (up to the mid-60s), the cleaning lady received, for the length of service, more directors of state institutions, under Soviet times everything was different

Why did he allow property stratification?

The old elites were replaced by new ones who took and retain power under the guise of ideology.

Yes, its degree was not as catastrophic as it is now, but what do you suggest?

Well, how was it not? The leader of a war-torn socialist country allowed himself to live up to Rockefeller's standard of living, only he got up early in the morning, and this one went to bed in the morning after a feast.

Sharikov's method? Again, for the happiness of everyone, to drain the blood from the part?

I am for capitalism with a decent social system - Germany, Switzerland, other decaying and soulless

[kalibr]

Quote: Krasnodar

The old elites were replaced by new ones who took and retain power under the guise of ideology.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[datura23]

Ie. your dream is to allow the Russian people to turn into blighted Europets? No thanks, I'd rather support the Sharia law than kneel in front of black homosexuals. You really are somehow without us rough-eyed obscurantists and not in Russia.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: datura23

Ie. your dream is to allow the Russian people to turn into blighted Europets? No thanks, I'd rather support the Sharia law than kneel in front of black homosexuals. You really are somehow without us rough-eyed obscurantists and not in Russia.

Is it possible, like the Swiss, not to kneel in front of anyone, and, by the way, about the Sharia - minarets for the adhan were banned by a referendum, do you know? )) Together with halal and kosher slaughter, by the way

[datura23]

so do not suffer - go to Switzerland ... ahhh there citizenship is not given to people like you ... sadness

[Krasnodar]

Quote: datura23

so do not suffer - go to Switzerland ... ahhh there citizenship is not given to people like you ... sadness

That's right, I don't suffer here, in capitalist modern Russia either, but if I need to get Swiss citizenship, I'll do it, and a residence permit very quickly
And you suffer for the USSR, which is tired of even the boisterous (against your background) leaders of the republican communist parties at your expense))

[datura23]

I do not suffer for the USSR, I suffer for Russia, on which continuous experiments are being carried out. Who are you ? Even if Vekselberg was refused? Let me assume - an idle talker, a braggart and a youngster ..

[Krasnodar]

Vekselberg was refused because he has been under amerskim sanctions for three years now - what little world do you live in? ))
For a residence permit, there is enough nedvizhimost (even a removable one) and opening a business (buying a ready-made one), but for citizenship you have to live there.
Open a company + registration of a residence permit - up to 3 million rubles on average

[Bolt cutter]

obtaining a residence permit - up to 3 million rubles on average

Is it B or C?

[Krasnodar]

did not delve into
GMbH to open 20 francs + 000-15 for the clearance of all the fuss
JSC - 100 francs
In short, everything about everything, if the founder of the LLC, 40 thousand francs maximum, 3-5 months of residence permit

[Bolt cutter]

I, too, did not particularly delve into, but as far as information was enough, it was more complicated and more expensive. A fresh company does not guarantee you a residence permit - this is not Slovenia

[Krasnodar]

Why fresh? )) You bring the Swiss 20 thousand for the finished one (he returns the authorized capital to himself in this way), makes you a deputy without a signature and a co-founder. As an option

[Bolt cutter]

You bring the Swiss 20 thousand for the finished

In Australia, the minimum investment for a residence permit is 0.5 million AUD (sort of). In the USA, too (only USD) Switzerland is hardly such a budget option. (I sold my grandmother an apartment in Uryupinsk and everything is ok ) Otherwise, they would not have fought off the Balkan (and not only) small bandots.
My knowledge is limited to the read forum of British pensioners, where they rubbed for dump

[Krasnodar]

In Australia, yes. There are different programs in the States, I'm not interested.
In Switzerland, they look at who you are. Proven business experience (I have both Russian and Israeli + work in Germany from an Israeli firm of my own)
Well, cheto for the soul should probably be on the account. People just offered me an office in Zug (like a Swiss offshore, 40 minutes drive from Zurich, about), to open, on medical equipment, so a little in the know.

[Bolt cutter]

so I know a little.

It is possible that this is so, but the opportunity to get a residence permit for one of the richest countries in the world for the price of an average car or a pitiful bug seems a little utopian, especially given the rather large amounts requested by other serious countries.

e just people offered an office in Zug

I wouldn't trust the brow, to be honest.

[Krasnodar]

It is possible that this is the case, but the possibility of obtaining a residence permit from one of the richest countries in the world for the price of an average car or a pitiful bug lol seems slightly utopian, especially given the rather large amounts requested by other serious countries.

Amounts for business emigration and obtaining a residence permit are two different things. ))
The fact of the matter is that they carefully watch who you are You receive citizenship in ten (minimum) years.

I wouldn't trust a chelu, to be honest

My ex-companion. He has a house and an apartment in Switzerland.

[Bolt cutter]

You receive citizenship in ten (minimum) years.

Moreover, the rules are different - in some cantons they vote for the issuance of citizenship to you!

they carefully look who you are

It is possible that it is so. Personally, I have not come across.

he returns the authorized capital to himself in this way), makes you a deputy without a signature and a co-founder.

I remembered the chairman of the Pound

[Krasnodar]

Moreover, the rules are different - in some cantons they vote for the issuance of citizenship to you!

I read that some Albanians were not given permanent residence, because they did not greet everyone in a row, as the whole village did and did not wear jeans, but flaunted in tracksuits, which is not accepted by the Swiss))

I remembered the chairman of Pound Belay

What's illegal? Like buying a stake in a business

[Bolt cutter]

Like buying a stake in a business

A successful business doesn't sell. Everything is legal, but somehow suspicious (for me, again). Personally, if I leave England, then to Madeira, and I have a platonic interest in Switzerland.

[Krasnodar]

Therefore, out of 15-19 thousand, at least a dozen go to a lawyer specializing in these cases. I have no interest in Switzerland at all, I just had an option to work there, from my place. There was an interesting proposal. And so the country is good - I was there several times, cool

[Keyser soze]

to the Russian people to turn into blighted Europets? No thanks, I'd rather support the Sharia law than kneel in front of black homosexuals.

Didn't you accidentally have sexual fetishes?
Only black homosexuals seem like fantasy? I remember a Hungarian deputy who was an ardent fighter against homosexuals ... and then he was filmed in a home orgy with men ...

So take care of yourself so as not to accidentally cross over to the "other shore" .... Papa Freud was not a fool ....

[Krasnodar]

They did not play for another team, moreover, an African

[datura23]

You see he is your dad, since they recognized their fetish where it is not. Bulgarians can talk to Russians with only one word "sorry"

[Krasnodar]

So he's about the psychology of homophobia, not Russian-Bulgarian relations

[datura23]

haven't you moved to Switzerland yet? Why do you climb into someone else's conversation, are you ours?

[Krasnodar]

I repeat - I feel good in Russia, unlike some. In Putin's, capitalist Russia, I feel good, think?

[datura23]

I have nothing to think about, I look at my teenage sons, they feel good, of course

[Krasnodar]

Was Schaub bad with a dad like that? Who can argue?

[zenion]

Keyser Soze. Are you afraid of competition?

[Mik13]

Quote: datura23

Ie. your dream is to allow the Russian people to turn into blighted Europets? No thanks, I'd rather support the Sharia law than kneel in front of black homosexuals. You really are somehow without us rough-eyed obscurantists and not in Russia.

So the point is that to support the Sharia is, in practice, to turn into "Europeans". Only it is necessary for comparison not to mention the pigs, but the rams.

PS - I do not understand at all why it is so difficult to adhere to healthy moderation in choosing the principles of building the future? Why is everyone so drawn to the extreme?

[Krasnodar]

He wants people to go to a country where a good uncle decides everything for him. If you're lucky, kind. Or something kind

[datura23]

in extreme examples, the perspective is clearer. Naturally, a normal Russian cannot want to live under Sharia law, just like under socialism, universal gender equality

[aybolyt678]

Quote: datura23

why under Stalin the professors had enough for servants

because under Stalin it was impossible to buy a professorship. Their time was dear to the country. The professors worked.
In addition, the concept of socialism does not imply leveling

[zenion]

datura23. Why drain the blood, the people are not like these bloodsuckers. You can do everything bloodlessly. Bury the rope and the crematorium in one place and put a stone with an inscription so that people would know where to spit on bloodsuckers.

[datura23]

if this is possible, then how to explain the bloody revolution of 17 g? Simply - the malicious intent of Lenin, who hated Russia and everything Russian

[zenion]

In 1917 it was like this, now it will be different.

[datura23]

now no one will allow any perturbations - taught

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Where did they take the colostomy to? Advanced Soviet development? Two in one? ))

About the contents of your box, what's around your neck. You were worried about pooping to the Soviet worker, which means that the topic is the most urgent for you, it takes all your thoughts.

Quote: Krasnodar

Are you talking about Khrushchev?

Yes, even about them, all the credit of Khrushchev that he made the efficiency even more dull. And the foundations under Stalin were laid and built and developed according to the plan.

Quote: Krasnodar

CT scan in every hospital and loot for chemotherapy - this is what will remain for the people's servants from the party functionaries to the dachas, but

CT scan in every hospital under Stalin is strong, even stronger than the lack of cellular communications and HDTV under Stalin. Are you a fool?

Quote: Krasnodar

I'm not about toilets, I'm about a society of universal equality

Is the labor of Stalin and three thousand workers equal? Did Stalin deserve a personal toilet?

[Krasnodar]

About the contents of your box, what's around your neck. You were worried about pooping to the Soviet worker, which means that the topic is the most urgent for you, it takes all your thoughts.

That is, you confirm that the revolution was not made for the sake of the Soviet workers?

CT scan in every hospital under Stalin is strong, even stronger than the lack of cellular communications and HDTV under Stalin. Are you a fool?

I'm talking about the Soviet Union in general, under Stalin there were other crusts Well, if we talk about the level of medicine at that time, then the Germans already had cobalt radiation therapy machines, under Stalin, nothing like that was introduced for the Soviet people, and the production of this equipment was decided by Soviet functionaries to transfer from Dresden to Czechoslovakia, where they had no idea how to produce them. This is an example of concern for the health of workers in those days.

Is the labor of Stalin and three thousand workers equal? Did Stalin deserve a personal toilet?

According to Soviet ideology, Stalin's work is equal to the work of one worker. He certainly deserved a toilet, a bidet, as the leader of a post-war country - no, of course.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

That is, you confirm that the revolution was not made for the sake of the Soviet workers?

That is, do you think that after the revolution, communism with CT robots and cellular communications must immediately come? So even developed socialism did not appear immediately after the revolution, but by the year 70 it did.

Quote: Krasnodar

then the Germans already had cobalt radiation therapy machines, under Stalin, nothing like that was introduced for the Soviet people,

Ask about the number of doctors per hundred thousand of the population, it is possible before and after the revolution, it is possible in Germany and Russia, before making such claims. And that is stupidity at the level of CT under Stalin.

Quote: Krasnodar

According to Soviet ideology, Stalin's work is equal to the work of one worker.

Illiteracy about ideology is not worth promoting, it looks very stupid, because full equality is possible only under communism. According to the "Soviet" ideology, in general.

[Krasnodar]

That is, do you think that after the revolution, communism with CT robots and cellular communications must immediately come? So even developed socialism did not appear immediately after the revolution, but by the year 70 it did.

Computed tomography also appeared in the 70s, but not in the happiest country of workers and peasants. By the way, in the socialist GDR it was bought in the amount of two pieces, for the Politburo clinic)) So, I think that under underdeveloped socialism, a party leader should not live like a very big exploiter from an industrially developed capital country.

Ask about the number of doctors per hundred thousand of the population, it is possible before and after the revolution, it is possible in Germany and Russia, before making such claims. And that is stupidity at the level of CT under Stalin.

Do you want to say anything about radiation therapy under Stalin? The working people of the USSR did not deserve it?

Illiteracy about ideology is not worth promoting, it looks very stupid, because full equality is possible only under communism. According to the "Soviet" ideology, in general.

Socialism - from each according to his ability, to each according to his work.
Communism - from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
Equality - the labor of the leader of the country, who allowed the destruction of the most populated part of the country during the war, the beginning of which he missed, is equal to the labor of, say, a participant in the Stakhanov movement? Are you seriously? The country is being rebuilt, and the uncle, who allowed devastation, travels from estate to estate?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Computed tomography also appeared in the 70s, but not in the happiest country of workers and peasants.

So what? What does this have to do with Stalin? Or do you insist that all this should have appeared immediately after the revolution?

Quote: Krasnodar

So, I believe that under underdeveloped socialism, a party leader should not live like a very big exploiter from an industrially developed capital country.

Oh, are you such a fiery revolutionary? And in my opinion it's just a demagogue. Oh yes, in general, it is believed that exploiters burn their lives on superyachts with supermodels (at all times) and all this beauty is inherited. What's Stalin?

Quote: Krasnodar

Do you want to say anything about radiation therapy under Stalin? The working people of the USSR did not deserve it?

What else do you remember? Do you want to remember the number of doctors per hundred thousand of the population? Obviously, an awkward question.

Quote: Krasnodar

Equality is the work of the leader of the country, who allowed the destruction of the most populated part of the country during the war, the beginning of which he missed,

Who are you talking about now? About the President of Poland, about Nikolai W, about the President of France? And Pearl Harbor, with thousands of deaths, can be considered a failure?

Quote: Krasnodar

The country is being rebuilt, and the uncle, who allowed devastation, travels from estate to estate?

Excuse me, but if you do not understand the meaning of the word "travel", then in your head you have exactly what you were so worried about.

[Krasnodar]

So what? What does this have to do with Stalin? Or do you insist that all this should have appeared immediately after the revolution?

Appeared in the 70s in Great Britain, available to every English cleaner, CT is an example of the difference in "medicine for the people" under the rule of Soviet communists and medicine of the capitalist countries, no more.

What else do you remember? Do you want to remember the number of doctors per hundred thousand of the population? Obviously, an awkward question.

I have no idea how many there were, but even if three times more than in France, for example, due to a lack of equipment and weak pharmacological production, the number of doctors did not change the situation in favor of the USSR

Who are you talking about now? About the President of Poland, about Nikolai W, about the President of France? And Pearl Harbor, with thousands of deaths, can be considered a failure?

This is me about Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin and June 22, 1941. Roosevelt, who recognized Pearl Harbor and pulled the country out of the economic crisis by 1939, did not have fifteen dachas at public expense.

Excuse me, but if you do not understand the meaning of the word "travel", then in your head you have exactly what you were so worried about.

I have enough gray matter in my head to understand how the heads of the Soviet communists flaunted at the expense of the people)). And those to whom the colomyoma was taken into the ventricle of the brain are trying to find fault with the metaphor

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Appeared in the 70s in Great Britain, available to every English cleaner, CT is an example of the difference in "medicine for the people" under the rule of Soviet communists and medicine of the capitalist countries, no more.

Do not mess around with sacks, for sure, will you try to find out that already in 75, CT was available to every cleaning woman in England? You are nonsense. And what about these things in the United States, too, for any cleaning lady? Well, NMR was accepted for mass production only in the mid-80s, and already in 1984 the first magnetic resonance imaging machine of a serial sample for the study of the whole human body was installed at the All-Union Cardiological Research Center in Moscow.

Quote: Krasnodar

I have no idea how many there were, but even if three times more than in France, for example, due to a lack of equipment and weak pharmacological production, the number of doctors did not change the situation in favor of the USSR

It's a good method to start fooling around not having a convenient answer to an awkward question. What does France have to do (for what year, by the way?) Ask the number of doctors per hundred thousand of the population, it is possible before and after the revolution, it is possible in Germany and Russia, I compare the tsarist Russia and the Stalinist USSR or Germany and Russia for equal years. You can play the fool further, but in the USSR medicine became available thanks to Stalin, but it has not yet become the leading one thanks to Nikolai. The tsarist backwardness had to be overcome, which is why advanced methods later came to Soviet medicine.

Quote: Krasnodar

This is me about Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin and June 22, 1941. Roosevelt, who recognized Pearl Harbor and pulled the country out of the economic crisis by 1939, did not have fifteen dachas at public expense.

Rubbish about "Stalin missed" somewhere in the Yeltsin Center rub in, and even if so (but not so) Stalin prepared the country and the army for war. And Roosevelt is fine, of course, but what about the President of Poland, Nicholas W, and the President of France? Oh yeah, and England, the queen there or whoever was then.

Quote: Krasnodar

I have enough gray matter in my head to understand how the heads of the Soviet communists flaunted at the expense of the people))

Envy may be enough, but there is no way to understand a very simple thing. And this thing is this: the ridiculous by today's standards, "shikovali" was provided not at the expense of the people, but due to the fact that the main owner in the country was the state and the state provided the chief manager, and a very successful manager, at his own expense, at the expense of the profits of state-owned enterprises.

Quote: Krasnodar

And those to whom the colomyoma was taken into the ventricle of the brain are trying to find fault with the metaphor

Poor patients, it seems like the only procedure / intervention you have mastered.

[Krasnodar]

Do not mess around with sacks, surely, will you try to find out that already in 75, CT was available to every cleaning woman in England?

According to the doctor's referral - yes))

Yes, you are nonsense.

Yes, you, I look, are a thug, and I can even guess the nickname

And what about these things in the United States, too, for any cleaning lady?

In the USA - not compulsory medical insurance, in the UK - it is removed from the salary without fail, EMNIP.

Well, NMR was accepted for mass production only in the mid-80s, and already in 1984 the first magnetic resonance imaging machine of a serial sample for the study of the whole human body was installed at the All-Union Cardiological Research Center in Moscow

And it took him 16 years to reach the regions.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

According to the doctor's referral - yes))

1975? In 1982? What year? In Russia, according to the referral, any cleaner can also undergo CT scan according to the referral, it's a matter of timing.

Quote: Krasnodar

Vladimir_2U] Yes, you are nonsense.
Yes, you, I look, are a thug, and I can even guess the nickname

Competent and fair use of literary words for people like you a sign of "thug"? Now, if I called you a jerk, some twenty years ago, then back here.

Quote: Krasnodar

In the USA - not compulsory medical insurance

Wow, so it means that in the United States, not every cleaning lady has access to CT, as it is, the richest democratic countries with St. Roosevelt, such a shame.

Quote: Krasnodar

1984 The first serial-type magnetic resonance tomograph for examining the whole human body was installed at the All-Union Cardiology Research Center in Moscow
And it took him 16 years to reach the regions.

The fact that for at least ten years the country has been devoured by connoisseurs of Western democracy, such as you, unnoticed. As if brownish in the head fills the eyes. And even then the Soviet backlog gave its own.

The International Tomography Center was established in 1989 as the first independent institute in the Siberian Branch of the Academy of Sciences.
By 1995, the domestic industry was already producing "Obraz" - a magnetic resonance imaging scanner that uses low magnetic fields. ... .... In 1994-1995. The Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation centralized the purchase of several devices of this series, which were quickly launched in Stary Oskol, Ufa, Kemerovo, Tomsk, Irkutsk, Yakutsk, Omsk, St. Petersburg.

[Krasnodar]

1975? In 1982? What year? In Russia, according to the referral, any cleaner can also undergo CT scan according to the referral, it's a matter of timing.

Already in the 70s. In Russia - yes, in the USSR - no.

The fact that for at least ten years the country has been devoured by connoisseurs of Western democracy, such as you, unnoticed. As if brownish in the head fills the eyes. And even then the Soviet backlog gave its own.

And 2 years before Gorbachev was not enough to install a second MRI somewhere in Herzen, for example? The only one was installed for show and not where magnetic resonance is really needed Although, MRI of the heart is useful sometimes, but MRI is more important in oncology. Here's a brownie in your eyes)))
Now show me somewhere a Russian-made ILO, I'm just wondering where this exists (except for Stary Oskol, most likely)

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Already in the 70s. In Russia - yes, in the USSR - no.

Well, you are stupidly lying. Industrial production of KT in 81-2 was just deployed, what a lie!

Quote: Krasnodar

And 2 years before Gorbachev was not enough to install a second MRI somewhere in Herzen, for example? The only one was installed for show and not where magnetic resonance is really needed yes Although, MRI of the heart is a useful thing, sometimes, but NMR is more important in oncology.

You are really lying so stupidly that there is some kind of shame. Either you don't know nicherta, special for the letter G. Chutzpa is somehow stupid.

Two years later a similar tomograph, but with a slightly lower resolution, is installed in cancer center in Moscow, then at the Research Institute of Neurology ...
... on the basis of which the improvement and implementation of the method in practical health care took place, became the "blacksmith" of personnel in MR tomography. Postgraduate studies were carried out here and jobs were allocated for the training of specialists in the field of MRI for other medical institutions existing at that time in the union republics, the first articles were published, MRI monographs and guidelines

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Now show me somewhere a Russian-made ILO, I'm just wondering where this exists (except for Stary Oskol, most likely)

Is it that an admirer of holy capitalism demands to show that people like him, only with more opportunities, have ditched for money in their personal pockets? Was it a production of Soviet design? Ditch him in the Russian Federation? Ditched. That's all.

[Krasnodar]

Well, you are stupidly lying. The industrial production of KT in 81-2 was just deployed, what lies then

The first specimen (CT of the head) underwent clinical trials in 1971. Usage - The first EMI-Scanner was installed in Atkinson Morley Hospital in Wimbledon, England, and the first patient brain-scan was done on 1 October 1971. [18] It was publicly announced in 1972.

Was it a production of Soviet design? Ditch him in the Russian Federation? Ditched. That's all.

Most likely, it was less effective and came out more expensive than the Western samples. Elizarov's apparatus was not ditched (cheaply and effectively), moreover, all countries of the world took over. As well as the method of venous CABG.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

The first EMI-Scanner was installed in Atkinson Morley Hospital in Wimbledon, England, and the first patient brain-scan was done on 1 October 1971. [18] It was publicly announced in 1972.

What are you making yourself dumb? Why prototype ensured accessibility to every cleaning lady?
The original 1971 prototype took 160 parallel readings through 180 angles
For some reason I don't write that the first MRI in the USSR was available to every cleaning lady. And you write such nonsense, only about England.

Quote: Krasnodar

Most likely, it was less effective and came out more expensive than the Western samples.

So what? Is this a reason to cut down high-tech production? For venal, brainless skins, of course, which are considered a luxury for Stalin, and many millions of currency, having ruined their production, are considered the norm to be given abroad.
All your arguments in this matter are miserable and easily refuted, even if this is not a lie.

[Krasnodar]

What are you making yourself dumb?

Why are you rude? Provocation?

How did the prototype ensure the availability of every cleaning lady?

Throughout the 70s - each Because it appeared in 1971, then it was widely introduced to the masses.

For some reason I don't write that the first MRI in the USSR was available to every cleaning lady. And you write such nonsense, only about England.

Because in the USSR they treated their citizens worse than in Great Britain

So what? Is this a reason to cut down high-tech production?

If it does not meet international standards - a clear stump.

For venal, brainless skins, of course, which Stalin's bidet considers a luxury

Rude again Why should the leader of the proletarian party allow himself more than the proletarian, eh ??

and many millions of currency, having ruined their own production, are considered the norm to give abroad.

Why production, which is unprofitable ??? To provide people with bad diagnostic equipment for a state expense at a high price ?? Instead of taking good for cheap?
What's the logic? In workplaces? So please - make offshore shores for foreign enterprises with the condition of employment of 80% local in such a plant, make a tourist paradise here - by the way, it is quite possible, by the way, the places are ogogo - and beautiful and historical, in short - Taiwan does not produce aviation, Taiwan makes microcircuits, because Taiwan is good at it. We are bad at microcircuits, and traditionally, so let's make inexpensive business jets - our small aircraft are traditionally good. For example.

All your arguments in this matter are miserable and easily refuted, even if this is not a lie.

Did you understand what you wrote? ))

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Throughout the 70s - each yes. Because it appeared in 1971, then it was widely introduced to the masses.

What is that?

already in 1980 One of the British sound recording companies decided to finance the production of the first NMR tomographs [9]. In 1982, over this idea a dozen scientific groups have already worked on the creation,

You are stupid nonsense, and do not even pretend, but you are.

Quote: Krasnodar

Because in the USSR they treated their citizens worse than in Great Britain

Yes? Or maybe this is the same nonsense as an MRI for every cleaning lady in 75? But anyway better than the United States to its citizens.

Quote: Krasnodar

Again, rude laughing Why should the leader of the proletarian party allow himself more than the proletarian, eh ??

To begin with, you are a kind of demagogue, the leader of a huge state, and not just a party, but in continuation: the Stakhanovists are also proletarians, they were not provided much worse under Stalin. And about rudeness, I just call you who you are.

Quote: Krasnodar

Why production, which is unprofitable ??? To provide people with bad diagnostic equipment for a state expense at a high price ?? Instead of taking good for cheap?

You wrote something about Do you understand what you wrote? Those. a person who is not aware of subsidies, protective measures and tax breaks, is something clever about the economy?
What kind of bleating is this?

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What's the logic? In workplaces? So please - make offshore shores for foreign enterprises with the condition of employment of 80% local in such a plant, make a tourist paradise here - by the way, it is quite possible, by the way, the places are ogogo - and beautiful and historical, in short - Taiwan does not produce aviation, Taiwan makes microcircuits, because Taiwan is good at it. We are bad at microcircuits, and traditionally, so let's make inexpensive business jets - our small aircraft are traditionally good. For example.

You are really stupid!

[Krasnodar]

What is that?

This is a CT scan in the UK

You are stupid nonsense, and you don't even pretend, but you are AI

And you, smart one, believed that you live better than a British or West German cleaning lady, and if you are very smart, then you still believe And even though 100 groups worked, it didn’t work, as in the West, it didn’t work.

To begin with, you are a kind of demagogue, the leader of a huge state, and not just a party, but in continuation: the Stakhanovists are also proletarians, they were provided not much worse under Stalin

That you sho? Summer cottages with a personal cinema and an artificial waterfall? Maybe these are the Stakhanovites - the Western bankers were not much worse off? )) And there is no need to tell whose property it was - Comrade Stalin, who was the leader of the proletariat, used the mansion equipped with a pool of sea water

And about rudeness, I just call you who you are

And I do not allow myself to be rude to anyone, even people who know little and create idols for themselves))

Those. a person who is not aware of subsidies, protective measures and tax breaks, is something clever about the economy?
What kind of bleating is this?

Why subsidize fig equipment from the state budget and raise prices for good Western equipment? To collect even less taxes from an already small, by the standards of developed countries, salary at some unpromising enterprise?

You are really stupid!

But you are a genius - pray for your uncle, who, gushing, provided you with a beggarly, but stable life. At the same time, they talked about the decaying West and about the successes in the smelting of iron and steel. Compared to 1913.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

What is that?
This is a CT scan in the UK

You already "mow" under the idiot. That weave about CT for every cleaning woman in the 70s, and when you are poked with a nose that the prototype of this could not provide the answer what - "This is in the UK." You stupidly lied about the 1970s, that's what it is. The rest of your arguments have about the same value.

Quote: Krasnodar

That you sho? Summer cottages with a personal cinema and an artificial waterfall?

What is it? Here were the lamentations, your lamentations that

Quote: Krasnodar

According to Soviet ideology, Stalin's work is equal to the work of one worker. He certainly deserved a toilet, a bidet, as the leader of a post-war country - no, of course.

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That's why the proletarian needs Bidet, eh? Comrade Stalin, using the plumbing of the whole people, thought about the fate of the population of the happiest country of workers and peasants, and twice - once a sitting, but why should a worker sit?

They poked you into the toilet bowl and bidet for the proletarian so immediately the waterfalls rushed to remember! Stalin did a million times more than any worker for the country. For the country and the same workers.

Quote: Krasnodar

Why subsidize fig equipment from the state budget and raise prices for good Western equipment? To collect even less taxes from an already small, by the standards of developed countries, salary at some unpromising enterprise?

What are you grinding, but you are just miserable! In all more or less developed countries there is subsidization of the necessary industries. Not to mention fencing and taxes. Even in England, even in the USA, even in Japan. Already not remembering Europe.

Quote: Krasnodar

But you are a genius - pray for your uncle, who, gushing, provided you with a beggarly, but stable life. At the same time, they talked about the decaying West and about the successes in the smelting of iron and steel.

To pour mud and look for pimples of the great is the lot of the flawed.

[Krasnodar]

You already "mow" under the idiot. That weave about CT for every cleaning woman in the 70s, and when you are poked with a nose that the prototype of this could not provide the answer what - "This is in the UK." You stupidly lied about the 1970s, that's what it is. The rest of your arguments have about the same value.

So the prototype was in 1971, already working. And within a decade there has already been a wide production and installation and use of Read something about the revolution in neurosurgery - this is where the first CT scans were used

You were poked into the toilet bowl and bidet for the proletarian

poke your nose into the toilet and bidet, you can only yourself)) If you have it, of course

Stalin did a million times more than any worker for the country. For the country and the same workers.

Yes. For example, I missed June 22 ..

What are you grinding, but you are just miserable!

Yes, all my life I have not climbed further than Uryupinsk

In all more or less developed countries there is subsidization of the necessary industries.

In the EU - agriculture, in Israel - high-tech, but in the latter this is an area at the highest world level, medical equipment in the USSR has always sucked, it is easier to produce Japanese / American / German here under license

To pour mud and look for pimples of the great is the lot of the flawed

In my opinion, groveling in front of a person, anyone, is the lot of slaves

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

So the prototype was in 1971, already working. And within a decade there has already been a wide production and installation and use of

You are no longer just mowing, you are frankly an idiot!

Quote: Vladimir_2U

already in 1980, one of the British recording companies made a decision to finance the production of the first NMR tomographs [9]. In 1982, a dozen scientific groups were already working on this idea of ​​creating

What is the wide release? And the groups are western!

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes. For example, I missed June 22 ..

The fact that this is stupid nonsense has long been known, and the fact that you repeat stupid nonsense characterizes you as a stupid nonsense.

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What are you grinding, but you are just miserable!
Yes, all my life I have not climbed further than Uryupinsk

Oh yes, the most worthy answer to the claim of economic illiteracy.

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In the EU - agriculture, in Israel - high-tech, but in the latter it is an area at the highest world level,

And that, to remove subsidies will come out small-town crafts.

Quote: Krasnodar

medical equipment in the USSR has always sucked, it is easier to produce here Japanese / American / German under license

Are you dumb? What prevented people like you from doing this on the basis of an existing production ?!

Quote: Krasnodar

In my opinion, groveling in front of a person, anyone, is the lot of slaves

To grovel in front of a long-dead man? Here is your groveling in front of the West on the face.

[Krasnodar]

You are no longer just mowing, you are frankly an idiot!

Don't throw a tantrum, you seem to be a boy?

What is the wide release? And the groups are western!

Ok, if you are so interested in the history of MRI:
During the 1970s a team led by John Mallard built the first full-body MRI scanner at the University of Aberdeen in Scotland. On 28 August 1980 they used this machine to obtain the first clinically useful image of a patient's internal tissues using MRI, which identified a primary tumor in the patient's chest, an abnormal liver, and secondary cancer in his bones.This machine was later used at St Bartholomew's Hospital, in London, from 1983 to 1993.
Prototype - first clinical use on 28 August 1980, in Scotland, then this machine was used at the hospital we. Bartholomew (London) from 1983 to 1993.

Oh yes, the most worthy answer to the claim of economic illiteracy.

And you hoped, while standing, I would start pouring quotes from Adam Smith and Milton Friedman?

And that, to remove subsidies will come out small-town crafts.

Not at all - subsidies go to start-ups, when something starts to work out for you, you are looking for sponsorship from all kinds of venture funds, etc. roughly, from private traders, not necessarily Israeli. Under capitalization, as a rule.

Are you dumb? What prevented people like you from doing this on the basis of an existing production ?!

Hysterics again? On the basis of the already existing Soviet production, it is necessary to change the entire line, for a start. And if you are talking about the box itself, the question is which is more profitable - to rent / build such a cheaper one on the outskirts, and sell / rent this one or keep the existing one.

To grovel in front of a long-dead man? lol Here is your groveling in front of the West on the face.

Well, if it is normal for you that the leader of the proletariat spends hundreds of millions during famine in the liberated territories for personal comfort - a bidet, a swimming pool, a personal cinema - then this is not a slave mentality at all , and about the West - I lived there for 25 years, I can compare it with Soviet childhood and with today's Russia

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Don't throw a tantrum, you seem to be a boy?

This is not a hysteria, this is an epiphany!

Quote: Krasnodar

Prototype - first clinical use on 28 August 1980, in Scotland, then this machine was used at the hospital we. Bartholomew (London) from 1983 to 1993.

Well, who are you after that? Except as an idiot, you cannot be considered:

Quote: Krasnodar

Throughout the 70s - each yes. Because it appeared in 1971, then it was widely introduced to the masses.

Quote: Krasnodar

any cleaning lady can undergo CT in the direction, it's a matter of timing.
Already in the 70s. In Russia - yes, in the USSR - no.

Quote: Krasnodar

Was CT scan available to every cleaning lady in England?
According to the doctor's referral - yes))

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Oh yes, the most worthy answer to the claim of economic illiteracy.
And you hoped, while standing, I would start pouring quotes from Adam Smith and Milton Friedman?

And who is it? People who don't believe in subsidies, barriers and tax breaks for important industries? Then they are idiots, and why quote idiots?

Quote: Krasnodar

Not at all - subsidies go to start-ups, when something starts to work out for you, you are looking for sponsorship from all kinds of venture funds, etc. roughly, from private traders, not necessarily Israeli.

What are you, all the same subsidizing is there? So there is subsidizing and operating industries. I don't give a damn about Israel, there is also Europe and the United States and England and Japan. And only an idiot can demand from the USSR not to subsidize production, but to allow other countries to do so.

Quote: Krasnodar

Are you dumb? What prevented people like you from doing this on the basis of an existing production ?!
Hysterics again?

Surprise is just surprise, but don't worry, it has already turned into confidence.

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On the basis of the already existing Soviet production, it is necessary to change the entire line, for a start.

Oh, a connoisseur of the economics of production. Hey connoisseur, in the USSR, an MRI production was built from scratch, and by opening a licensed line nearby, it was possible at least to train personnel on cats, at least to drive simpler but cheaper MRIs anywhere. But such "economists" as you ruined production.

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Well, if it is normal for you that the leader of the proletariat spends hundreds of millions during famine in the liberated territories for personal comfort - a bidet, a swimming pool, a personal cinema - then this is not a slave mentality at all

What are hundreds of millions? From the words of Shpakovsky and Olgovich? And what, the road and so on were built from bread and meat? Well, according to tradition, your bidet completely obscured your head.

[Krasnodar]

This is not a hysteria, this is an epiphany! wink

Boys show contempt differently

Well, who are you after that? Except as an idiot, you cannot be considered:

And I have something to do with it - I briefly translated for you from English, as a very developed person who probably does not speak the language of international communication, an excerpt from the history of the beginning of the clinical use of NMR (MRI)

Surprise is just surprise, but don't worry, it has already turned into confidence.

Yes, I need to worry about it, Pts funny communication with Pts competent in history, economics and other people

Yes. For example, I missed June 22 ..
----
The fact that this is stupid nonsense has long been known, and the fact that you repeat stupid nonsense characterizes you as a stupid nonsense.

What stupid nonsense you repeat in different ways three times in one sentence? Are the events of June 22 not Stalin's fault? He was not in power? Didn't know the situation? Couldn't take adequate measures?

Oh, a connoisseur of the economics of production. Hey connoisseur, in the USSR, an MRI production was built from scratch, and by opening a licensed line nearby, it was possible at least to train personnel on cats, at least to drive simpler but cheaper MRIs anywhere. But "economists" like you ruined production

no, well, it's a pearl. Pearl Harbor.
So all the same you needed a license line? Do you agree? Hallelujah!
That is, it was necessary for some reason to keep the old line, train the personnel there, in order to ... open a new line, like a licensed one, but with the optimization of the production process in order to reduce the cost? Old line - what can you do on it? Open a museum? Museum of Soviet MRI? ))) Or do you think that it could have been filed under a cheap Siemens / Toshiba issue?

What are hundreds of millions? From the words of Shpakovsky and Olgovich? And what, the road and so on were built from bread and meat?

This is knowledge in economics
Do you receive a salary / pension in meat - milk / bread?

Well, according to tradition, your bidet completely obscured your head.

How's that?
I haven't laughed like that for a long time, thank you!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Boys show contempt differently

And I don’t remember how, I’m already an idiot and a liar, I’m not ashamed to call an idiot and a liar.

Quote: Krasnodar

And I have something to do with it - I briefly translated for you from English, as a very developed person who probably does not speak the language of international communication, an excerpt from the history of the beginning of the clinical use of NMR (MRI)

What? Interpreter? And before that, you rubbed in about the mass use of MRI BEFORE 1980. So you were a rubbing agent before the translator?

Quote: Krasnodar

What stupid nonsense you repeat in different ways three times in one sentence? Are the events of June 22 not Stalin's fault? He was not in power? Didn't know the situation? Couldn't take adequate measures?

The industrialization of the peasant country, the armament and supply of the army, the creation of conditions for a military alliance with actually enemies (the USA and England) are these inadequate measures? Yes, you are a very demanding subject.

Quote: Krasnodar

Old line - what can you do on it? Open a museum? Museum of Soviet MRI?

The fact that you are, mmm, stupid is already clear, but I repeat:

Quote: Vladimir_2U

at least drive simpler but cheaper MRI anywhere. But such "economists" as you ruined production.

Quote: Krasnodar

Do you receive a salary / pension in meat - milk / bread?

Do you eat money in the absence of food? And there are (were) cards and rations for the employee.

Quote: Krasnodar

Well, according to tradition, your bidet completely obscured your head.
What is it like? laughing
I haven't laughed like that for a long time, thank you!

Replaced the head, of course, or obscured the mind. Like that.

[Krasnodar]

And I don’t remember how, I’m already an idiot and a liar, I’m not ashamed to call an idiot and a liar.

Judging by your reactions, you didn't know how

What? Interpreter?

What a translator - all the smallest educated people speak English today

before that you rubbed in about the massive use of MRI BEFORE 1980

Before that, I wrote to you about the massive use of CT. CT and MRI (NMR) are two different things

So you were a rubbing agent before the translator?

CT - computed tomography, principle - high-resolution sections, such as X-ray, but much better quality
NMR or MRI - magnetic resonance, another principle of action. The first visualizes bones better, the second - soft tissues.
English is the language of science, medicine, and international communication.
And the year is in the yard - 2021

The industrialization of the peasant country, the armament and supply of the army, the creation of conditions for a military alliance with actually enemies (the USA and England) are these inadequate measures? Yes, you are a very demanding subject.

It was enough to have a preemptive strike on the Wehrmacht, when he attacked the French, and there were few troops near the borders of the USSR. Or a preemptive strike with simultaneous mobilization, when their number reached 100 divisions. Or just mobilization. But not watchful waiting. And the conditions for an alliance with the World Bank and the States were created by Hitler, he attacked the Britons first, in December 41 he declared war on the States

The fact that you are, mmm, stupid is already clear, but I repeat

Well, where am I to intellectuals and polyglots and specialists in medical technology and economists

Do you eat money in the absence of food? And there are (were) cards and rations for the employee

No, I buy them in some Mongolia / Sweden / Argentina

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Judging by your reactions, you didn't know how

You are such a connoisseur of boys that you are probably a connoisseur and something doubts about your orientation. And I am a boy very well. I haven't felt it for a long time, since the days when I became a young man, let alone my becoming as a man.

Quote: Krasnodar

Before that, I wrote to you about the massive use of CT. CT and MRI (NMR) are two different things

Thanks for that, now in practice I am convinced that these are different things
Now explain, why did CT, created at the same time as MRI, suddenly become generally available in the 70s? Nothing about mass prom. the production of CT and, therefore, about the general availability in these years, as well as about MRI.

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It was enough to have a preemptive strike on the Wehrmacht, when he attacked the French, and there were few troops near the borders of the USSR. Or a preemptive strike with simultaneous mobilization, when their number reached 100 divisions. Or just mobilization. But not watchful waiting. And the conditions for an alliance with the World Bank and the States were created by Hitler, he attacked the Britons first, in December 41 he declared war on the States

Oh, the connoisseur of boys and the economist is also turned into a strategist! The fact that for people like you and haha, Hitler, contracts are just paper, it is understandable, but for Russia / USSR and Stalin this is something that must be observed, at least you can pretend?

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Well, where am I to intellectuals and polyglots and specialists in medical technology and economists

It is a pity that I am not like that, otherwise why would I communicate with you.
But you didn’t answer, these people are standing, not idiots?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And you hoped, while standing, I would start pouring quotes from Adam Smith and Milton Friedman?
And who is it? People who don't believe in subsidies, barriers and tax breaks for important industries? Then they are idiots, and why quote idiots?

Quote: Krasnodar

No, I buy them in some Mongolia / Sweden / Argentina

What, and will they sell it to you for rubles? Or is it all in England / USA / Western Europe / for pounds / dollars have already been sold, if there was still in marketable quantities? What, is there a reason to think? And in what way did the builders of the summer cottage get their salaries, not in rubles?

I don't see an answer to this either:

Quote: Vladimir_2U

What are hundreds of millions? From the words of Shpakovsky and Olgovich?

Not well, it's clear, hundreds are hundreds, thanks for not being billions. But I will count, let it be 30 million for the dacha and the road, but in what money? After all, the post-war ruble devalued min. 5 times. Well, I don’t think so. But the Khrushchev reform is in place. And the fact that it was 30 mil. R. it became only THREE mil. rub. or 300 million of the current rubles. Everything.
But no, not everything, it was the road that made the lake accessible for tourism and recreation, and the power plant was quite comfortable.

[Krasnodar]

You are such a connoisseur of boys that you are probably a connoisseur and something doubts about your orientation. stop

Well, why dump a sore head on a healthy one?

And I am a boy very well. I have not felt for a long time, since the time when I became a young man, let alone my becoming as a man

Well yes, everything is according to Freud

Now explain, why did CT, created at the same time as MRI, suddenly become generally available in the 70s?

It began to be used in neurosurgery - diagnosing brain tumors, writing papers on each case, receiving grants, etc.

Nothing about mass prom. the production of CT and, therefore, about the general availability in these years, as well as about MRI.

Read in English-language sources
Only CT appeared earlier - in the early 70s, MRI a decade later, and in the 90s - PET technology, then single-photon tomography (SPECT)

Oh, the connoisseur of boys and the economist is also turned into a strategist! laughing

You were hooked without asking - is there anything to confess?

The fact that for people like you and haha, Hitler, contracts are just paper, it is understandable, but for Russia / USSR and Stalin this is something that must be observed, at least you can pretend?

Observe at the cost of the lives of tens of millions of its citizens, and when you already see that you are being thrown? And then, nakosyach, build yourself a communist, estates in the style of Rockefeller?

It is a pity that I am not like that, otherwise why would I communicate with you. lol

But they condescended to communicate with me, sermyaga))

But you didn’t answer, these people are standing, not idiots?

It was Milton Friedman who opposed protectionism in the economy.

What, and will they sell it to you for rubles? Or is it all in England / USA / Western Europe / for pounds / dollars have already been sold, if there was still in marketable quantities? What, is there a reason to think? And in what way did the builders of the summer cottage get their salaries, not in rubles?

Why for rubles? For the same valuable wood species, for example. And all this is in foreign currency. Etc.

[Quote: Vladimir_2U
What are hundreds of millions? From the words of Shpakovsky and Olgovich?
Not well, it's clear, hundreds are hundreds, thanks for not being billions. But I will count, let it be 30 million for the dacha and the road, but in what money? After all, the post-war ruble devalued min. 5 times. Well, I don’t think so. But the Khrushchev reform is in place. And the fact that it was 30 mil. R. it became only THREE mil. rub. or 300 million of the current rubles. Everything.
But no, not everything, it was the road that made the lake accessible for tourism and recreation, and the power plant was quite comfortable.

Yes, at least one million - the leader of the communist party of the destroyed country with this money could build a sanatorium for wounded veterans, and not the 15th cottage for his beloved

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

You are such a connoisseur of boys that you are probably a connoisseur and something doubts about your orientation. stop
Well, why dump a sore head on a healthy one?

It’s strange, you are an expert on the behavior of boys, but at the same time you are not a psychologist, so what? That's right - you are a "connoisseur" of boys.

Quote: Krasnodar

Don't throw a tantrum, you seem to be a boy?
Boys show contempt differently
Judging by your reactions, you didn't know how

Quote: Krasnodar

And I am a boy very well. I haven't felt it for a long time, since the days when I became a young man, let alone my becoming as a man. Well yes, everything is according to Freud

You are not only a connoisseur and "connoisseur" of boys, you are also a Freudian. Well, disassemble this phrase according to Freud, and do not just gurgle: And I am a boy very well. I have not felt for a long time, since the time when I became a young man, let alone my becoming as a man

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It began to be used in neurosurgery - diagnosing brain tumors, writing papers on each case, receiving grants, etc.

How is this confirmation of mass production and free access? Work on EACH case is just a confirmation of the non-mass character.

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Only CT appeared earlier - in the early 70s, MRI a decade later, and in the 90s - PET technology, then single-photon tomography (SPECT)

Yes, I confused CT and MRI. However, MRI in the USSR began to be introduced two or three years after its appearance. How is that?

Quote: Krasnodar

Oh, the connoisseur of boys and the economist is also turned into a strategist! laughing
You were hooked without asking - is there anything to confess?

Do you answer something that is not quite in Russian, nerves? You are a connoisseur of boys, you are writing something about economics, you are also teaching Stalin's strategy retroactively. What did I write wrong?

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It is a pity that I am not like that, otherwise why would I communicate with you. lol
But they condescended to communicate with me, sermyaga))

Uh, you don’t quite understand Russian anymore. Joke. Are you playing the fool again? You pull the quotes, distort the meaning:

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well, where am I to intellectuals and polyglots and specialists in medical technology and economists
It is a pity that I am not like that, otherwise why would I communicate with you.

Obviously, I am neither intellectuals nor polyglots (this is ) I do not rank either as specialists or even as economists. So it is still unknown who is more homely Although a connoisseur of boys is at least an esthete, an esthete cannot be a sermyag.

Quote: Krasnodar

It was Milton Friedman who opposed protectionism in the economy.

What a fine fellow, sorry that his

Milton Friedman's "postulates" work well in a society accustomed to tough individual competition, while in countries with a transitional economy, a completely free market leads to the impoverishment of a huge number of people and the unprecedented enrichment of large companies, the withdrawal of the education and medical systems from state control, and in ultimately leads to the marginalization of part of the population.

and the fact that Israel, with the kibbutzim, do not particularly favor him.

Quote: Krasnodar

What, and will they sell it to you for rubles? Or is it all in England / USA / Western Europe / for pounds / dollars have already been sold, if there was still in marketable quantities? What, is there a reason to think? And in what way did the builders of the summer cottage get their salaries, not in rubles?

Why for rubles? For the same valuable wood species, for example. And all this is in foreign currency. Etc.

Yes, in the post-war world it is the most necessary thing. And they used it in the country in huge quantities. Hand face. And in Argentina, they would have torn her off with her hands.

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes, at least one million - the leader of the communist party of the destroyed country with this money could build a sanatorium for wounded veterans, and not the 15th cottage for his beloved

Yes, yes, everything in spite of the people, in the country only the MGB was building, well, of course, the MGB employees - the former Smershevites are not veterans at all, and the hotel was built only for Stalin so that he would wander from room to room:

In a short period of its existence (from 1946 to 1953), the design office of the KHOZU of the Ministry of State Security of the USSR was able to make many projects, most of which saw life. Here, for example, what this enterprise "released":
• sanatorium of the Ministry of State Security of the USSR named after F.E. Dzerzhinsky (Sochi, Krasnodar Territory);
• sanatorium of the Ministry of State Security of the USSR "Lunevo" (Kostroma region)
• sanatorium of the Ministry of State Security of the USSR "Glukhovskaya" (Bashkir SSR, Belebeevsky district);
• state dachas No. 5 and No. 11 on Lake Ritsa (Abkhaz ASSR);
• hotel "Ritsa" on Lake Ritsa;

[Krasnodar]

It’s strange, you are an expert on the behavior of boys, but at the same time you are not a psychologist, so what? That's right - you are a "connoisseur" of boys.

I'm just a connoisseur of graying girls aged 18 and older So you behave like them

You are not only a connoisseur and "connoisseur" of boys, you are also a Freudian. Well, sort out this phrase according to Freud, and do not just gurgle: And I am a boy very well. I have not felt for a long time, since the time when I became a young man, let alone my becoming as a man

Do you want to lecture on the nature of denial? ))

How is this confirmation of mass production and free access? Work on EACH case is just a confirmation of the non-mass character.

The structure of Healthcare there is different - everything revolves around multidisciplinary medical centers, each of which has a neurosurgical department. And by the end of the 70s, CT began to be used in the diagnosis of lung cancer, then pancreatic cancer, etc.

Yes, I confused CT and MRI. However, MRI in the USSR began to be introduced two or three years after its appearance. How is that?

Introduced in a single copy, for show. In the West, the spread went faster due to the commercial component of medicine - in Western Europe and the States, the procedure was paid for by stop companies.

Obviously, I am neither an intellectual nor a polyglot (who is laughing), nor a specialist, nor even an economist.

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Polyglot is an expert in languages. It is precisely for the reasons you mentioned that you defend the lordly manners of the former master of the country

[So it is not yet known who is more homely laughing

Although a connoisseur of boys is at least an esthete, an esthete cannot be a sermyag. laughing laughing

All aunties over 40 say so))

and the fact that Israel, with the kibbutzim, do not particularly favor him.

The share of kibbutzim in the Israeli economy is not 2% of GDP.

Yes, in the post-war world it is the most necessary thing.

In commercial quantities - yes, of course. As well as the forest in general. Worldwide. Moreover, after the war. So just count, the number of hours spent on the dacha could have been spent on logging food for the sake of [/ quote]

And they used it in the country in huge quantities. Hand face. [/ quote
Hand face - a dramatic gesture, not quite typical for men, on the contrary Well, count how much it was used there
[quote] And in Argentina it would have been torn off with hands

Not only in Argentina, but also in other warring countries with a certain percentage of the population, profiting from supplies. And in those who fought, the percentage of the nouveau riche also increased - in the same Great Britain, for example.

and, yes, everything in spite of the people, in the country only the MGB was building, well, of course, the MGB employees - the former Smershevites are not veterans at all, and the hotel was built only for Stalin so that he would wander from room to room:

And did they use this dacha?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

I'm just a connoisseur of graying girls aged 18 and older lol So you behave like them

Yes, you are a liar, it is you who, without batting an eye, throw my observations at me, and this is girlish behavior, I also know their behavior.

Quote: Krasnodar

Well, why dump a sore head on a healthy one?

Quote: Krasnodar

You were hooked without asking - is there anything to confess?

And your logic is so-so, which is typical for girls. Oh yes, you can't describe the signs of hysteria, otherwise I can't find them at home.

Quote: Krasnodar

Well, disassemble this phrase according to Freud, and do not just gurgle: And I am a boy very well. I have not felt for a long time, since the time when I became a young man, let alone my becoming as a man
Do you want to lecture on the nature of denial?

What for? The phrase highlighted in bold in the quote, disassemble it from the point of view of Freudianism, I don't know much about him. And then, after all, behavior like "I know, but I will not say" is absolutely girlish.

Quote: Krasnodar

The structure of Healthcare there is different - everything revolves around multidisciplinary medical centers, each of which has a neurosurgical department.

I don't know if I need it, but thanks.

Quote: Krasnodar

Yes, I confused CT and MRI. However, MRI in the USSR began to be introduced two or three years after its appearance. How is that?
Introduced in a single copy, for show. In the West, the spread went faster due to the commercial component of medicine - in Western Europe and the States, the procedure was paid for by stop companies.

Well, what is it, you are weak in memory, right? Well, okay "damned old age", but let me remind you:

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Two years later, a similar tomograph, but with a slightly lower resolution, is installed at the oncological center in Moscow, then at the Research Institute of Neurology ...
... on the basis of which the improvement and implementation of the method in practical health care took place, became the "blacksmith" of personnel in MR tomography. Here, postgraduate studies were held and jobs were allocated for the training of specialists in the field of MRI for other medical institutions that existed at that time in the Union republics, the first articles, monographs on MRI and methodological recommendations were published.

Quote: Krasnodar

Polyglot is an expert in languages. It is precisely for the reasons you mentioned that you defend the lordly manners of the former master of the country

Really? Thank you, but we, homespun, were not in the know. So is it that, in addition to the smiley, I also sign "sarcasm" or "irony"?

Quote: Krasnodar

[So it is still unknown who is more homely laughing
Although a connoisseur of boys is at least an esthete, an esthete cannot be a sermyag. laughing laughing
lol All aunties over 40 say so))

They say that? It’s already interesting, I’m interested in aunts over 40, but not too over 40, so I don’t remember that they were so poor, although if with humor, then in general they can, but rarely. As well as the educated can, however, learn the periphrase from "The Adventures of the Soldier Schweik". Following your logic, am I an educated aunt with humor and Hasek loving to read? - irony. And you are following this logic, but my observations, auntie with humor so-so, if you have read Hasek, you don’t remember, oh, but your memory is not very good - "Damned old age."

Quote: Krasnodar

and the fact that Israel, with the kibbutzim, do not particularly favor him.
The share of kibbutzim in the Israeli economy is not 2% of GDP.

So in Russia the share of collective farms is even smaller, which means Israel does not really listen to Fridman, despite the fact that he is Friedman.

Quote: Krasnodar

In commercial quantities - yes, of course. As well as the forest in general. Worldwide. Moreover, after the war. So count, the number of hours spent on the dacha could have been spent on logging food for the sake of

Shut up you good-natured and logician, builders of the MGB and cabinetmakers at the felling. Ay, logic! Humor. Has cut eyes "working hours", but no there is such a concept, for unskilled labor.

Quote: Krasnodar

Hand face. [/ quote
Hand face - a dramatic gesture, not quite typical for men, on the contrary

What a scream, for you "hand-face" is such a gentle pressing of your hands to your face? The smiley will not express my feelings, I laugh-nimaga! Are you so worried about your face, or have you never seen a hand hitting your own face with words like "Kapets, what insanity" ?! And you are rubbing something about my girlish behavior? Hand face!

Quote: Krasnodar

Not only in Argentina, but also in other warring countries with a certain percentage of the population, profiting from supplies. And in those who fought, the percentage of the nouveau riche also increased - in the same Great Britain, for example.

Well, this is already a globe and some kind of owl, a few tons of wood would not solve anything.

Quote: Krasnodar

And did they use this dacha?

Well, don't remember your own claim anymore:

Quote: Krasnodar

with this money he could build a sanatorium for wounded veterans, and not the 15th cottage for his beloved

[Krasnodar]

Yes, you are a liar, it is you who, without batting an eye, throw my observations at me, and this is girlish behavior, I also know their behavior.

Liar is also a girly expression, men don't say that

And your logic is so-so, which is typical for girls. Oh yes, you can't describe the signs of hysteria, otherwise I can't find them at home. laughing

Easy - re-read your posts, where in one sentence "stupid nonsense, stupid nonsense" and others alternate three times. But I don't care about your orientation or psychotype or gender - Vladimir is so Vladimir

What for? The phrase highlighted in bold in the quote, disassemble it from the point of view of Freudianism, I don't know much about him. And then, after all, behavior like "I know, but I will not say" is absolutely girlish.

From the point of view of psychoanalysis, you are trying to deny something, describing in detail self-evident things like 2 * 2 = 4

Two years later, a similar tomograph, but with a slightly lower resolution, is installed at the oncological center in Moscow, then at the Research Institute of Neurology ...
... on the basis of which the improvement and implementation of the method in practical health care took place, became the "blacksmith" of personnel in MR tomography. Here, graduate school took place and jobs were allocated for the training of specialists in the field of MRI for other medical institutions existing at that time in the Union republics, the first articles, monographs on MRI and methodological recommendations were published [

And where in the USSR, with its 280 million population, besides Moscow, were there MRI scans?

[They say that? It's already interesting, I'm interested in aunts over 40,

I'm up to 35 maximum

but not too over 40,

so I don’t remember that they were so pity, although if with humor, then in general they can, but rarely.

The next phase of denial - I'm interested in aunts. ))

So in Russia, the share of collective farms is even smaller, which means Israel does not really listen to Fridman, despite the fact that he is Fridman

Israel has achieved good economic performance due to the privatization of many state-owned companies and the demonopolization of various sectors of the economy. The rest did not listen - the state subsidizes the start of high technology production. But just a start.

Well, this is already a globe and some kind of owl, a few tons of wood would not solve anything.

Several tons of valuable timber is hundreds of tons of Argentine wheat

Well, don't remember your own claim anymore:

So they used it or not))

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

Liar is also a girly expression, men don't say that

Ohoho, that's the hilarity. Playful! I forgot to deliver the "irony" again. Well sorry.

Quote: Krasnodar

Oh yes, you can't describe the signs of hysteria, otherwise I can't find them at home. laughing
Easy - re-read your posts, where in one sentence "stupid nonsense, stupid nonsense" and others alternate three times.

Is this a proposal?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The fact that this is stupid nonsense has long been known, and the fact that you repeat stupid nonsense characterizes you as a stupid nonsense.

Actually, this is the summing up of a logical basis according to your characteristics given by me.
It is known that a certain statement is a stupid nonsense, and a person who repeats a deliberately stupid nonsense is himself a stupid nonsense. But unfortunately, I was somewhat mistaken, the data is incomplete, a person repeating stupid nonsense, but does not understand that this is stupid nonsense, is not himself a stupid nonsense, since he himself became a victim of stupid nonsense, following the logic, this person is just stupid, and not at all a stupid nonsense ...
Unfortunately, logical constructions often repeat the same concepts, words or phrases. But you can consider it hysterical. It's a pity or something.

Quote: Krasnodar

From the point of view of psychoanalysis, you are trying to deny something, describing in detail self-evident things like 2 * 2 = 4

Yes, a wonderful answer. But where is the denial?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Do you want to lecture on the nature of denial?
What for? The phrase highlighted in bold in the quote, disassemble it from the point of view of Freudianism, I don't know much about him. And then, after all, behavior like "I know, but I will not say" is absolutely girlish.

And here is your evasion from parsing on the face. And a lecture is not necessary, because other people's words do not need to be copied and pasted too much.

Quote: Krasnodar

And where in the USSR, with its 280 million population, besides Moscow, were there MRI scans?

Your memory is poor, and even attentiveness to hell:

Quote: Krasnodar

Postgraduate studies took place here and jobs were allocated for the training of specialists in the field MRI for other medical institutions existing at that time in the union republics,

Here's an analogue of medical centers:

Quote: Krasnodar

The structure of Healthcare there is different - everything revolves around multidisciplinary medical centers, each of which has a neurosurgical department.

Funny, but it came in handy instantly:= Vladimir_2U] I don't know if I need it, but thanks.

Quote: Krasnodar

I'm up to 35 maximum

But this is denial!

Quote: Krasnodar

I'm just a connoisseur of graying girls aged 18 and older

Interestingly, what is this ostentatious Freud means?

Quote: Krasnodar

The next phase of denial - I'm interested in aunts. ))

Oh, Freud, poor thing, you are turning in a coffin, I suppose.

By the way, what does Freud mean to ignore an awkward question?

Quote: Vladimir_2U

What a scream, for you "hand-face" is such a gentle pressing of your hands to your face? The smiley will not express my feelings, I laugh-nimaga! Are you so worried about your face, or have you never seen a hand hitting your own face with words like "Kapets, what insanity" ?! And you are rubbing something about my girlish behavior? Hand face!

Quote: Krasnodar

Israel has achieved good economic performance due to the privatization of many state-owned companies and demonopolization of various sectors of the economy.

Perhaps, but not all, subsidies, protective measures and tax breaks are not the same with privatization, let alone demonopolization.

Quote: Krasnodar

The rest did not listen - the state subsidizes the start of high technology production.

What a trifle this start - research, design and equipment! Rukaa-Litsooo !!! (Such a hysteria).

Quote: Krasnodar

Several tons of valuable timber is hundreds of tons of Argentine wheat

In my opinion, you no longer understand what you are writing, several hundred tons is a dozen other percent of the load of one vessel.

Quote: Krasnodar

So they used it or not))

Of course, there are no dachas, because this is an object for the use of the main persons of the country, however, the hotel was used and the sanatoriums built around this time were used. And your question was this:

Quote: Krasnodar

with this money he could build a sanatorium for wounded veterans, and not the 15th cottage for his beloved

So, some of the dachas were built before the Revolution, and some of the dachas were for the members of the Central Executive Committee, and not for Stalin alone, and all the dachas at least ensured communication with the Government, so for whom the dacha, and for whom, work remotely. (Humor).
But toilets and bidets, it is possible, were exclusive. Stalin is guilty, oh guilty. (Irony).

[Krasnodar]

Ohoho, that's the hilarity. Playful! I forgot to deliver the "irony" again. Well sorry.

They say the shagushnik. Men of certain personal preferences

Unfortunately, logical constructions often repeat the same concepts, words or phrases. But you can consider it hysterical. It's a pity or something. laughing

I think so

Yes, a wonderful answer. But where is the denial?

It is very simple - a detailed listing of obvious things is given only for the sake of denying something. Why else?

And here is your evasion from parsing on the face. And a lecture is not necessary, because other people's words do not need to be copied and pasted too much.

What do you want to say? That you are a man and not gay? Well, let's say. Would it be a woman or a gay, the essence of the dispute about the excesses of the Soviet party elite would change that?

But this is denial!

What, excuse me? )) Gerantophilia?

Interestingly, what is this ostentatious Freud means?

Compliance with the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

Oh, Freud, poor thing, you are turning in a coffin, I suppose. lol
By the way, what does Freud mean to ignore an awkward question?

Repeat the question, pliz

Are you so worried about your face, or have you never seen a hand hitting your own face with words like "Kapets, what insanity" ?! And you are rubbing something about my girlish behavior? Hand face!

Yes, yes, examples are worse, more from a sore head to a healthy one

Perhaps, but not all, subsidies, protective measures and tax breaks are not the same with privatization, let alone demonopolization.

I agree - but Friedman was in favor of demonopolization, privatization and against protective measures, for example. Just following only one theory is not smart.

What a trifle this start - research, design and equipment! Rukaa-Litsooo !!! (Such a hysteria).

So they subsidize, etc. them only at the initial stage Nobody supports unprofitable new firms.

In my opinion, you no longer understand what you are writing, several hundred tons is a dozen other percent of the load of one vessel.

And this is not enough with the famine of the 46th? Or was it impossible to get a full load by another forest (for example)?

Of course, there are no dachas, because this is an object for the use of the main persons of the country

Many thanks! This is exactly what I wrote about all the way.

But toilets and bidets, it is possible, were exclusive. Stalin is guilty, oh guilty

Guilty, of course. The country, due to its slowness in 1941, washes once a week, this bidet

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

They say the shagushnik. Men of certain personal preferences

May be. Or maybe they say this to other men of certain preferences, with irony. Maybe you are, in my eyes, a "man" of certain preferences. You have shown yourself to be a connoisseur of boys. And a man can call his own, and not only, a child a rascal, as well as a liar and even a silly one. So don't make yourself look like an idiot.

Quote: Krasnodar

Unfortunately, logical constructions often repeat the same concepts, words or phrases. But you can consider it hysterical. It's a pity or something. laughing
I think so

Please do not distinguish simple, simple, formal logic from hysteria, take comfort in the mention of Freud. It's a pity or something. Moreover, I no longer consider you a stupid nonsense, but simply stupid.

Quote: Krasnodar

It is very simple - a detailed listing of obvious things is given only for the sake of denying something. Why else?

Maybe this is a list of preferences, or maybe advantages, or maybe disadvantages. But you do not seem to be at odds with logic, already at odds with common sense. Well, what you consider to be a listing for the sake of denial (goodbye logic!) Contains a description of my interest in women not too over 40 years old,including over 40, and not exclusively , and contains the output coming from your logic that I am a certain, far from stupid woman.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

It’s already interesting, I’m interested in aunts over 40, but not too over 40, so I don’t remember that they were so poor, although if with humor, then in general they can, but rarely. As well as the educated can, however, learn the periphrase from "The Adventures of the Soldier Schweik". Following your logic, am I an educated aunt with humor and Hasek loving to read?

So what is this listing of the obvious things and what can they deny these things? Who are you to be considered after such words? Oh, yes, I no longer consider you a stupid nonsense.

Quote: Krasnodar

And here is your evasion from parsing on the face. And a lecture is not necessary, because other people's words do not need to be copied and pasted too much.
What do you want to say? That you are a man and not gay?

The fact that you mention Freud and weave something like him into a state of dispute, but try to use his methods no. But for some reason you draw some conclusions. Okay, the logic is not in tune, but dragged in an argument, develop it. You are strenuously arguing that you are a heterosexual man, and your behavior, and not according to Freud, but simply in everyday life, is feminine: you do not follow logic, you do not present arguments.

Quote: Krasnodar

Interestingly, what is this ostentatious Freud means?
Compliance with the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

Come on, Freud for me, but for you the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? Logic, what. (colloquial).

Quote: Krasnodar

So they subsidize, etc. they are only at the initial stage laughing Nobody supports unprofitable new firms.

What, no subsidies at all other than "startups"?

The Net Industry Program (19 years) aims to strengthen the industrial sector of the Israeli economy. Under this program, 1,15 billion shekels will be allocated to support small and medium-sized businesses in the industrial sector, the creation of new and expansion of existing enterprises, training of employees, the acquisition of new efficient technologies, reducing the cost of production and increasing productivity.

In general, it is ridiculous to read about the lack of support for the economy by the state, about the state which itself is subsidized.

Israel leads in the total amount of aid received from the United States after World War II. [13] In 2011, Israel received $ 3,029 billion from the United States, of which $ 3,0 billion was for defense spending. [14] American aid accounts for 4,4% of the budget and 1,2% of Israel's GNP.

Quote: Krasnodar

And this is not enough with the famine of the 46th? Or was it impossible to get a full load by another forest (for example)?

No, well, of course, you are not interested in arguments like the grain bought out by England, the USA and Western Europe, you are not interested in the harvest in importing countries, but the fact that the dacha was finished in 1947-48, would you consider it an argument? But already in 1947 the famine was overcome.

Quote: Krasnodar

Of course, there are no dachas, because this is an object for the use of the main persons of the country
Many thanks! This is exactly what I wrote about all the way.

Not at all, it's nice to convey to the person that veterans of the MGB-MVD and even the FSB cannot live in the State Residence.

Quote: Krasnodar

Guilty, of course. The country, due to its slowness in 1941, washes once a week, this bidet

You seem to be feeding at a bidet, personal, bought at your own expense, since you bring such arguments, brown ones. Bon Appetit.

[Krasnodar]

May be. Or maybe they say this to other men of certain preferences, with irony. Maybe you are, in my eyes, a "man" of certain preferences. You have shown yourself to be a connoisseur of boys. laughing And a man can call his own, and not only, a child a rascal, as well as a liar and even a stupid one. So don't make yourself look like an idiot. Please do not distinguish simple, simple, formal logic from hysteria, take comfort in the mention of Freud. hi It's a pity or something

Pts wordy about the fact that you are not gay and not a woman. The question was - as a communist leader in a war-torn country, is it okay to afford a residence with the bells and whistles of a successful bank owner? The answer will be?

Moreover, I no longer consider you a stupid nonsense, but simply stupid.

Homeless people and women of low social responsibility also consider me a lot - what about Stalin and his many dachas?

You are strenuously arguing that you are a heterosexual man, and your behavior, and not according to Freud, but simply in everyday life, is feminine: you do not follow logic, you do not present arguments.

I prove that Stalin became the new tsar in Russia instead of Nicolas, who was overthrown by Lenin and Trotsky

Come on, Freud for me, but for you the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? Logic, what. (colloquial).

Relations with girls under the age of 18 in Russia are not welcomed by the law - something new? ))

What, no subsidies at all other than "startups"?

Rarely and in small sizes. Like town-forming enterprises in the periphery (if unprofitable, then for a short period) and tax incentives for opening an enterprise there instead of an unprofitable old one - all of this kind.

In general, it is ridiculous to read about the lack of support for the economy by the state, about the state, which itself is subsidized.

Who subsidizes it? Americans for $ 3.8 billion per annum (with a GDP of $ 380-400) for the return of Sinai to Egypt? This is with a budget of 110 - 120 billion at least

but the fact that the finishing of the summer house in 1947-48 was carried out, do you consider this an argument? But already in 1947 hunger was overcome

The dacha was built in 1947. My mother's family moved from the barracks to the apartment in the early 1960s.

Not at all, it's nice to convey to the person that veterans of the MGB-MVD and even the FSB cannot live in the State Residence.

That is, "all animals are equal, but there is smoother" (c)

You seem to be feeding from a bidet, personal, bought at your own expense, since you bring such arguments, brown ones. Bon Appetit

Are you a coprophile? Mention brownie so many times

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Krasnodar

May be. Or maybe they say this to other men of certain preferences, with irony. Maybe you are, in my eyes, a "man" of certain preferences. You have shown yourself to be a connoisseur of boys. laughing And a man can call his own, and not only, a child a rascal, as well as a liar and even a stupid one. So don't make yourself look like an idiot. Please do not distinguish simple, simple, formal logic from hysteria, take comfort in the mention of Freud. hi It's a pity or something
lo Pts wordy about the fact that you are not gay and not a woman. The question was - as a communist leader in a war-torn country, is it okay to afford a residence with the bells and whistles of a successful bank owner? The answer will be?

What sharp jumps from question to question, with mixing of quotes and a weak memory, as for a man, this is not at all a sign of hysteria, a rascal and a connoisseur of boys ... So I already wrote that Stalin did a million times more than any worker for the country. And I will add, if you are not clear, Stalin was the head of a huge state and moreover, in fact, he could afford the manager of many enterprises and the State residence, and this is within the normal range, even at that time.

Quote: Krasnodar

Moreover, I no longer consider you a stupid nonsense, but just stupid.
Homeless people and women of low social responsibility also consider me a lot - what about Stalin and his many dachas?

I don’t know who and on what basis you are considered by homeless people and girls of behavior, but I think you are stupid on the basis of logical constructions, which you do not even try to challenge, you just call it hysteria and that's it.
As for the Stalinist dachas, then some kind of abrupt transition from who I think you are, homeless people and girls of venal love (what a warm company - you, me, homeless people and girls mind my damsels! ) to the dachas, isn't this a sign of hysteria?

Quote: Krasnodar

You are strenuously arguing that you are a heterosexual man, and your behavior, and not according to Freud, but simply in everyday life, is feminine: you do not follow logic, you do not present arguments.
I prove that Stalin became the new tsar in Russia instead of Nicolas, who was overthrown by Lenin and Trotsky

Is it like this? Attributing to me feminine behavior, an understanding of the female nature and increased masculinity and strenuously poking me with the name of Freud, without making him a method? A new word in historical research! And it allowed you to discover that Nicholas was overthrown not by his ministers-generals, but by Lenin and Trotsky! Hooray! The only pity is that it has nothing to do with logical thinking and argumentation.

Quote: Krasnodar

Come on, Freud for me, but for you the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? Logic, what. (colloquial).
Relations with girls under the age of 18 in Russia are not welcomed by the law - something new? ))

Great, you write about girls, this is about the UK, I write about women, this is about Freud and perversity. Where is the sequence? It does not exist, and inconsistency is either a sign of a disorder of the male psyche, or within the normal range of a woman's, here, sorry, no options.

Quote: Krasnodar

What, no subsidies at all other than "startups"?
Rarely and in small sizes. Like town-forming enterprises in the periphery (if unprofitable, then for a short period) and tax incentives for opening an enterprise there instead of an unprofitable old one - all of this kind.
In general, it is ridiculous to read about the lack of support for the economy by the state, about the state, which itself is subsidized.
Who subsidizes it? lol Americans for $ 3.8 billion per annum (with a GDP of $ 380-400) for the return of Sinai to Egypt? laughing This is with a budget of 110 - 120 billion at least

This is not subsidies, this is different, of course.

Quote: Krasnodar

but the fact that the finishing of the summer house in 1947-48 was carried out, do you consider this an argument? But already in 1947 hunger was overcome
The dacha was built in 1947. My mother's family moved from the barracks to the apartment in the early 1960s.

Well, at least you stopped starving early in 60? And what about dad's family?

Quote: Krasnodar

Not at all, it's nice to convey to the person that veterans of the MGB-MVD and even the FSB cannot live in the State Residence.
That is, "all animals are equal, but there is smoother" (c)

The USSR, unfortunately, was not a communist state, and there was economic inequality in it.

Quote: Krasnodar

You seem to be feeding from a bidet, personal, bought at your own expense, since you bring such arguments, brown ones. Bon Appetit
Are you a copophile? Mention brownie so many times

Unfortunately, you have to endure brownish things coming from you, and to endure does not mean to love, so no, not a copophile. What about your passion for the bidet?
Oh well wrote, I love when the last word remains with me!
It's so feminine!

[Krasnodar]

What sharp jumps from question to question, with mixing of quotes and a weak memory, as for a man it is not at all a sign of hysteria, playful and connoisseur of boys laughing

You are not like that, yeah))

Stalin did a million times more than any worker for the country. And I will add, if you are not clear, Stalin was the head of a huge state and moreover, in fact, he could afford the manager of many enterprises and the State residence, and this is within the normal range, even at that time.

He messed up more, millions of workers and do not forget that the head of the world's first state of workers and peasants should not live the life of a successful tycoon

I don’t know who and on what basis you are considered by homeless people and girls of behavior, but I think you are stupid on the basis of logical constructions, which you do not even try to challenge, you just call it hysteria and that's it. laughing
As for Stalin's dachas, then some kind of abrupt transition from who I think you are, homeless people and girls of venal love (what a warm company - you, me, homeless people and girls laughing, my girls!) To summer cottages, is this not a sign of hysteria? Great, you write about girls, this is about the UK, I write about women, this is about Freud and perversity. Where is the sequence? It does not exist, and inconsistency is either a sign of a disorder of the male psyche, or within the normal range of a woman's, here, sorry, no options.

And again from a sore head to a healthy one, and your girls, nu-nu

This is not subsidies, this is different, of course.

What are subsidies? For Sinai? Compensation for abandoning the territorial buffer. Egypt for the fact that Sinai is a demilitarized zone, the United States pays $ 1,5 billion.

Well, at least you stopped starving early in 60? And what about dad's family?

And the dad's family laughed at the attempts of district / regional party functionaries to cheat on the cessation of the exploitation of man by man with the advent of socialism ))

The USSR, unfortunately, was not a communist state, and there was economic inequality in it.

Economic - of course, the problem was social inequality.

Unfortunately, you have to endure brownish things coming from you, and to endure does not mean to love, so no, not a copophile. What about your passion for the bidet?
Oh well wrote, I love when the last word remains with me!
It's so feminine!

You have been "enduring" for the third day And yet yes - like a woman))

[zenion]

You already, as they say, either put on your panties, or take off the cross. So you want to eat a fish and sit on it. Stalin was not supposed to be concerned with rebuilding the country after the war and creating nuclear weapons for security. In addition, you accuse Stalin that he missed the start of the war. But the General Staff was there, which was supposed to do this, but did not do it. Not only did Stalin reward the marshal with several heroes of the Union, he was also made the marshal of victory. This was at a time when the Allies knew what the marshal was doing in Germany. I had to take him out of there and save his life. Beria and the most humane court would find use for him, that is, his body. Just like Hitler found a use for the Fox of Africa by burying him beautifully. What do you have such claims to Stalin personally, he made you borscht?

[Krasnodar]

So you want to eat a fish and sit on it. Stalin was not supposed to be concerned with rebuilding the country after the war and creating nuclear weapons for security.

And as the leader of the Communist Party and the first state of workers and peasants, should he have done this without fail in the conditions of Rockefeller's life? This is with the devastation of the post-war, dare I clarify?

In addition, you accuse Stalin that he missed the start of the war. But there was the General Staff, which was supposed to do this, but did not.

With the unlimited power that Stalin had and the amount of information that he received, his orders "not to succumb to provocations" led to millions of victims of the Soviet People. Is this something new for you?

What do you have such claims to Stalin personally, he made you borscht?

What do you think to achieve with rudeness on the Internet?

[Mordvin 3]

And you, bourgeois, how many toilets at home?

[Krasnodar]

And you, bourgeois, how many toilets at home?

Two. One combined with bidet But bought for my own money, not for folk

[Pane Kohanku]

But bought for my own money, not for folk

You're a bourgeois bourgeois, Albert! You even have your own money on the bidet!

[Krasnodar]

Why are there, were
But there is a bidet ...))

[Pane Kohanku]

But there is a bidet ...))

See how many people are envious of your bidet.

[Krasnodar]

Because only Comrade Stalin is worthy of a bidet

[Pane Kohanku]

Because only Comrade Stalin is worthy of a bidet

To paraphrase a classic: Even Isadora Duncan didn't have a bidet!
We ask you to give up the bidet and washbasin!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Pan Kohanku

To paraphrase a classic: Even Isadora Duncan didn't have a bidet!

So she danced in the operating room, and washed her ass in the living room.

[Pane Kohanku]

and soap in the living room

And you will have to hire a social servant without a bidet to wash it for you personally.

[Krasnodar]

I don’t trust them.
I'm an old, sick Jew
Can't Handle Class Strapon

[Pane Kohanku]

Can't Handle Class Strapon

Judging by the minuses, we have already been crammed into our karma ... "singers" ...

[Krasnodar]

Maybe they just want to earn some money?

[Pane Kohanku]

Maybe they just want to earn some money?

Working as class dildos? You know, I think this is a new word in business, politics and mass media! Know-how!
Submit your ad: "We need class dildos. Push minuses into Shpakovsky's karma".

[Krasnodar]

Why dildos? Live bidet

[Okolotochny]

But there is a bidet ...))

It's time, blah, dispossession)))

[Pane Kohanku]

It's time, babe, dispossession

TAKE away, take away and divide the bidet, Alexey? Albert won't give it up so easily!

[Krasnodar]

Why won't he give it up? For a good amount and into good hands ... or rather not into hands ...

[Okolotochny]

Nicholas , he lives in ... the land, where they perfectly remember how to do it))
It is better not to divide the bidet. And, for example, set a schedule for use)))
I remembered Dundee in New York: "I understood what this thing is for, it's to wash your ass!")))

[Krasnodar]

And, for example, set a schedule for use)))

Alexey, so can I suggest a schedule for using our "communist" friends from the VO forum?

[Okolotochny]

Why not? And then everyone wants change, so let's start, with you ...)))

[Krasnodar]

"If everyone comes to my toilet, how will I work and live?" (with)

[Krasnodar]

It's time, blah, dispossession)))

So the bidet was an act of dispossession. From the side of the garnaya Kuban maiden. As well as the alteration of a pretty good Apartment for her taste

[Pane Kohanku]

So the bidet was an act of dispossession.

I got off cheaply - they could have thrown you into a thorn bush. I don't have a bidet in my layout. I was not engaged in redevelopment.

[Krasnodar]

So you yourself, it seems, can do it. Anton threw the video, how it is located in my place

[3x3zsave]

In the evening I'll see if the network is bad at work.

[Okolotochny]

I watch the sect of the stubborn stubbornly minus (Stasiks, Svarogs, Gardamirs, grain cutters and co). They do not like the fact that a Kuban Jew has a bidet. Balls are not exterminated !!! Albert, arrange for them a trip to the resorts of Israel to calm the nervous system))

[Krasnodar]

Alexey, good morning! It is better to organize an excursion for them to this dacha - maybe they will understand what? And then immediately to my neighbor - 92 years old man. In good memory, he walks every day, the Air Force regiment is retired. He told me about the famine of the 46th. And let them compare the cinema with an artificial waterfall in the open air with his stories.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Okolotochny

But there is a bidet ...))

It's time, blah, dispossession)))

It's time to annex Abazia to the Russian Federation and nationalize Stalin's dacha. At the same time, make there a museum of the 46 famine, so that people begin to understand something about the "communist" leaders!

[Okolotochny]

It's time to attach Abazia to the Russian Federation

By the way, acquaintances say that citizens from the Russian Federation buy horseradish property there. Although the majority of Abkhazians are. Proud and independent.

[Krasnodar]

For me, it's a semi-criminal education like Kosovo

[deddem]

The bidet was quite well produced for sanatorium-medical institutions in Maltsevsky and Dulevsky porcelain, such a disgusting brown salad.
In addition to sanatoriums, they were also installed in some residential buildings, for example, on Smolenskaya. There was also a tragicomic story, when during the overhaul of a house in the 70s, builders stole several pieces, replacing them with ordinary toilet bowls.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Krasnodar

But Comrade Stalin, as a servant of the Soviet people, lived like a simple hard worker - a tycoon from the decaying West.

Rather, like a hired director of a corporation: while you work in a corporation, you enjoy the corporate privileges of your rank, but you have no right to make them personal or inherit them. All the "private dachas" of the IVS were in fact state-owned - and passed to the next general secretary along with the post.
Transfer of state wool to personal made by the next generation.

[Krasnodar]

And the employees of the corporation knew about the bidet, the pool with sea water, the open-air cinema with an artificial waterfall?

[zenion]

They could not know what Stalin had, it was all covered with a veil of mystery. When the sparrows flew over the pool, they were shot, so that they would not be told about the sacrament. The fact that you bought a bidet with your own money is hard to believe. The largest salary in Hitler's Germany had an executioner named Röttger. In the month of May 1943, 124 people were executed by the executioner Röttger. Then he made a counter-obligation and in the same month in Berlin he executed an additional 115 people. In addition to the rate, he received 1 gold Reichsmark for each executed. I don’t know how it was valued in relation to a simple brand, but probably much more. And he was engaged in such a business before the kaput of Nazism. Probably Hitler had to borrow gold from him. There is a suspicion that you are either doing denunciation, or like Röttger. They read Schweik, there a soldier said that a gypsy served with them, who was summoned to the headquarters every night. And then one day we decided to look into his backpack and found there three boxes of three hundred cigarettes. As they learned for each executed stranger, they gave ten Sport cigarettes. When the gypsy returned in the morning, his neck was twisted. They threw him into the river and his cigarettes, too, who will smoke such cigarettes. And you continue to smoke, in a puff, and without cheating.

[Krasnodar]

The fact that you bought a bidet with your own money is hard to believe

Whose? Yours?

There is such a suspicion that you are either doing denunciation, or like Röttger

And the evil Putin FSB pays me for this?

[Xnumx vis]

Enemies of the people cut the coal in the mines! The main thing is to be able to dig up a huge number of enemies of the people and send them to fell the forest, chop coal in the face, knead concrete with bare feet,... The song helps us to build and live !!! The fertile steppes make noise
Rich rivers flow
Spring Dawns Sparkle
Over our happy housing.
Sing, comrades, a song
About the biggest man
About the most dear and beloved, -
We’ll sing a song about Stalin.
We will sing a song about Stalin, like the sun in springtime,
He goes around his native land,
He grows courage and joy
In his own garden.
Sing, comrades, a song
About the biggest gardener
About the most beloved and wise, -
We will sing a song about Stalin, he created for the happiness of the peoples
Unbreakable law forever
Spring clear dawns
He lit over our housing.
Sing, comrades, a song
About the dearest person
About the sun, about the truth of peoples, -
We will sing a song about Stalin .--- A song! Sing along !!!!

[zenion]

Everything is clear once 30 pieces of silver.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: zenion

Everything is clear once 30 pieces of silver.

And here are thirty pieces of silver? And a song about Stalin?

[Looking for]

do not ernichai. Everyone knows perfectly well how you "lick" shpakovsky and his "opuses"

[Far B]

Well, if Mr. Shpakovsky believes that state dachas are the dachas of Comrade Stalin personally, then Mr. Shpakovsky needs to be recorded in his personal property and a huge amount of other state property, such as all kinds of Dneproges (he supplied electricity to the accursed Stalin at a stop), Magnitok (ore melted so that the bloody tyrant used all sorts of forks in everyday life), and so on, and so on. In general, developing the thought of Mr. Shpakovsky, you involuntarily come to the conclusion that Stalin in one person possessed an entire power. Cho there to waste time on trifles?

[kalibr]

Quote: Dalny V

developing thought

And you do not develop, There is nothing! The specifics of owls. society was the use of goods, not the possession of them. There was a varying degree of admission to use. Got it?

[Far B]

And you do not develop, There is nothing!

Utyutyu, wow. Mr. Shpakovsky moved to the level of "himself ... k".

But he left behind ... 15 summer cottages that belonged to him personally!

- you say in the article. And in the comment above -

The specifics of owls. society was the use of goods, not the possession of them

Bipolar in all fields.

[kalibr]

Michael! Think again. Yes, dachas were listed on the state balance sheet. But they all used Steel alone, personally. There are concepts de jure ide facto. De facto, they were his own. Those that belonged only to him, where exactly he ordered - to demolish it, to build it ... Not the state, but he personally. So it was his personal property, but de jure it was state property. Features of owls. systems.

[Far B]

Yes, dachas were listed on the state balance sheet

Features of owls. systems

Tin. Are you seriously claiming that these are features of the Soviet system? Like, it was not so in America at that time, and the presidents, at the request of their left heels, did not rebuild the White House? Or is our ugarant now not in the same person using the same Bocharov Ruchei? I have no more questions

[kalibr]

Quote: Dalny V

Like, it was not so in America at that time, and the presidents, at the request of their left heels, did not rebuild the White House? Or is our ugarant now not in the same person using the same Bocharov Ruchei?

The form of using the benefits, of course, is not our invention. But ours was widespread.

[Fanur Galiev]

Okay, let's say I did. Yes, let's say that Stalin was a typical official who, for his beloved, rebuilt numerous dachas in different parts of the country using public money. Yes, he didn’t let anyone in there yet, infection. But let's look at what Stalin spent his personal money received for his office and royalties for his numerous publications. And this money was spent on the Stalin Prize by the same workers, engineers, outstanding figures of culture and science, whom he also fiercely devoured. The question is, how much was spent on Stalin's dachas, and how much was spent on the Stalin Prize?

[kalibr]

Quote: Fanur Galiev

But let's look at what Stalin spent his personal money received for his office and royalties for his numerous publications. And this money was spent on the Stalin Prize by the same workers, engineers, outstanding figures of culture and science, whom he also fiercely devoured.

Do you know that for sure? Where? And what does the prize have to do with it? Prizes separately, summer cottages separately.

[Fanur Galiev]

A logical question, and you know for sure that everything that you wrote in the article is accurate, objective information, and not what we usually have. And with regards to the awards. As far as I know, the Stalin Prize was one hundred thousand rubles. A lot of money, given the level of the then salaries. I wonder how many such dachas could be built for all these numerous awards presented?

[kalibr]

Quote: Fanur Galiev

A logical question, and you know for sure that everything that you wrote in the article is accurate, objective information, and not what we usually have.

Fanur, you might think that you have not read the article. My daughter visited there at the dacha, took a photo. The text is an almost literal excursion. But ... proven as far as possible by Internet resources, which you yourself can check. Quite enough for popular material in the online edition.

[Fanur Galiev]

It is certainly good that your daughter visited the dacha and listened carefully to the guide. Only here is such a little problem - there is a difference between a guide and a guide. There are many examples of how many illiterate guides work in different museums. In addition, given the fact that in our country the highest authorities diligently smear the entire era of the Union with black paints, I would not be surprised that at least part of what was said is a lie. Personally, I used to be much more critical of information about the entire period of that time. If only because while studying at the university (in our native, domestic) during the lectures, I heard all kinds of nonsense like that Stalin was so paranoid that he slept exclusively with a pistol and shot at anyone who tried to get into his room. And they made their way into his room with a very original purpose - to change either his clothes or boots, to be honest, I don’t remember.

[kalibr]

Quote: Fanur Galiev

Personally, I used to be much more critical of information about the entire period of that time.

And you understand that there is no accurate information about ANYTHING at all. So it is critical to evaluate everything, it is to sit and not write about ANYTHING at all. And yes - I know that guides and tour guides sometimes talk nonsense. Yes! But the canvas remains. And then you open the Internet. Look at the sources in certain articles, open these sources, look at the sources of information in these sources, and then, only then, praise yourself for a critical assessment of the information.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: kalibr

Yes, dachas were listed on the state balance sheet. But they all used Steel alone, personally.

But in the United States, the White House is used by a "choir", now Biden, and then he will be kicked out as Trump, and there no one will say that this is the personal house of the president - the name of Biden. And we have a personal or not a personal house, but they are credited with -F.AND.O.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: kalibr

The specifics of owls. society was the use of goods, not the possession of them. There was a varying degree of admission to use.

And the specificity of modern society, Russian - the use of public goods plus personal. Plus the transfer of public goods into personal ones. At a shock pace and by all methods. Mostly contrary to the law. And this scheme is many times worse than the Soviet one.

Quote: kalibr

Got it?

[kalibr]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Plus the transfer of public goods into personal ones. At a shock pace and by all methods. Mostly contrary to the law. And this scheme is many times worse than the Soviet one.

Exactly! But let's see which one turns out to be more viable in the end. The one in which "mine" is at the forefront, or where the "common" is. Where there was "general" was replaced by "mine". Whether the replacement will be the opposite, that is the question. And something tells me that ... "mine" will win against the "general"!

[kalibr]

Quote: kalibr

And something tells me that ... "mine" will win against the "general"!

So far, the advantages of "common" are proved by people only by minuses. Weak, very weak.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Dalny V

that state dachas are dachas of Comrade Stalin personally,

the difference, of course, is: at a personal dacha, all PERSONAL wishes (location, layout, pools with sea water, waterfalls, valuable wood species, floating terraces, tunnels, parks, etc.) are performed at YOUR expense, and at state dachas the same PERSONAL the wishes of the secretary general were fulfilled for state score.

And something in the newspapers of that "nogodny" country did not find a place to describe the "modest" Rockefeller level of comfort and luxury of life of a single-jacket leader of the workers' peasants.

[Far B]

I wrote to Shpakovsky above, and I'll write to you, too. In those years, and in America, the presidents rebuilt the White House according to their wishes - what, exclusively on their own money? Or are they now building for our permanent summer cottages - exclusively at his expense?

Rockefeller's level of comfort and luxury in the life of a single-dress executive

demonstrate the standard of living of the Rockefellers at that time, so that you can compare, and, repenting, go over to your faith of fanatics of the kings-priests. The fact that Stalin's standard of living was much higher than the average Soviet standard of living is indisputable. So his position was, to put it mildly, slightly higher than the average Soviet level. Or would you only be satisfied with the option when he dug a dugout in the middle of the Kremlin and walked on it in unwashed trousers and bast shoes on his bare feet?

[kalibr]

Quote: Dalny V

slightly higher than the average Soviet level.

15 cottages with concrete underground passages is it "a little"? That is, no one is against concrete passages, but the dacha on the Ritsa, and even in Musser, is clearly not "a little", but a lot too much!

[Fitter65]

Quote: kalibr

15 cottages with concrete underground passages is it "a little"? That is, no one is against concrete passages, but the dacha on the Ritsa, and even in Musser, is clearly not "a little", but a lot too much!

And where did you get that too much? Can you tell me how a person was educated in the USSR, but how many cities, and not just settlements, but industrial centers that still benefit the country, were built under Stalin? Or is this not within your competence? Your main task in the last period is to spoil everything that was under the Soviets. The ones who got into politics would have to reprint their articles from "Yuno-Tekhnik" and "Tekhniki Molodezhi" of Soviet times. Or the glory of a terry loser, the anti-Soviet Olgovich, does not let you sleep. So in vain, not all traitors are erected monuments;

[kalibr]

Quote: Fitter65

15 cottages with concrete underground passages is it "a little"? That is, no one is against concrete passages, but the dacha on the Ritsa, and even in Musser, is clearly not "a little", but a lot too much!
And where did you get that too much?

Because that's a lot. In reality, there are about 20 such objects in general. 15 is what has survived. What about industrial centers? So how many factories built under the tsars still function in the same buildings. They also benefit the country ... Why didn't you like the fact that they slightly rubbed the gilding from the foil face of Stalin, right? So what's wrong with that? Each person has their own weaknesses. Stalin had a fad at his dachas. What's bad? Normal for an almighty dictator. And Brezhnev collected cars over there. 90 pieces, seems to have scored for the salary of the secretary general? And, by the way, why did you decide that Olgovich is a "terry loser"? You write ONLY WORDS in the comments. He refers to the docs. Could it be you are a bloody loser? Your dear USSR collapsed, Stalin fell asleep in the Lord at the dacha all alone ... and you cannot protect his bright image, so this definition is more suitable for you, and not for Olgovich!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Dalny V

In those years, the presidents in America also rebuilt the White House according to their wishes.

do not carry the next nonsense: in 1948 the one and a half century building was under the threat of CRASH (foundation settlement, cracks in supporting structures) and the reconstruction was FORCED.

The wishes of the American presidents in the White House are limited to changing sets, carpets, etc. in some rooms.

And in the destroyed USSR in 1946, according to the wish of one person, a luxurious mansion was built in 15 thousand m3 with a floating veranda 600 m3 on a lake in the mountains with its own hydroelectric power station, a huge park, a tunnel, etc., for HUNDREDS OF MILLION rubles

Quote: Dalny V

demonstrate the Rockefeller standard of living at the time, so that you can compare

got excited, yes: Rockefeller, with his miserable condition, is far from the level of the leader of the USSR: he has the whole country at his disposal. ...

Or give an example of at least some kind of restriction by someone (something) of the secretary general's personal wishes? What? No?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Olgovich

at a personal dacha, all PERSONAL wishes (location, layout, pools with sea water, waterfalls, valuable wood species, floating terraces, tunnels, parks, etc.) are carried out at YOUR expense, and at state dachas the same PERSONAL wishes of the secretary general were carried out at the state expense ...

So it's time to translate all Russian rulers in the image of the kings of Nigeria: a house covered with palm leaves, wooden benches near the house, a harem in houses of palm leaves, a mortar for crushing roots, a hearth made of stones, and he himself is dressed in a torn robe and slippers on his feet. It will be very democratic and tolerant. Or leave it as it is?

[Fitter65]

Quote: Olgovich

the difference, of course, is: at a personal dacha, all PERSONAL wishes (location, layout, pools with sea water, waterfalls, valuable wood species, floating terraces, tunnels, parks, etc.) are performed at YOUR expense, and at state dachas the same PERSONAL the wishes of the secretary general were carried out at the expense of the state.

And the palaces and other wishlist of the Russian autocrats, where can this be attributed? At the expense of the state, or is it personal? And doubles and "other joyful" for relatives. favorites and other autocratic riffraffs is it also at the expense of the state, or from the personal savings of the king - a vampire? ...

[Overlock]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The author is so eager to expose the Bolsheviks

So it follows the instructions from the TV box: the Soviet government was useless, but they immediately attach themselves to its Victory over fascism

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The author is so eager to expose the Bolsheviks that he does not even see the difference between personal property and state property.

Why, get in one heap, dead Stalin will endure everything.

[Captain45]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The author is so eager to expose the Bolsheviks that he does not even see the difference between personal property and state property.

As comrade Saakhov said: "Do not confuse state rams with personal ones!" (C)

[datura23]

minuses are needed for articles, the author transfers his complexes to the Commander-in-Chief of the Winner's country.

[Grandfather]

about the current ones, and their "dachas" please write ...

[datura23]

you are envious and, like any envious person, you see the source of your problems in those you envy. Conduct a thought experiment - that you are an oligarch .... there will be no orphans and poor people in Russia? Just don't lie.

[Crowe]

But what is there to say about the current upper ones, if the current modest traffic cops have houses, unlike Stalin's dachas, and lieutenant colonels have money in sacks.

[Xlor]

the current modest traffic cops have houses unlike Stalin's dachas

My tongue will not turn to call it "home" ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dead Day

about the current ones, and their "dachas" please write ...

This is how today's people live under capitalism, and not in a society of universal equality.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And I liked the material of the article. Moderately detailed, with good photos. Well, and "breaking spears" defending their opinion in the consideration of various issues ... We are no stranger to it!)))
Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

[Overlock]

Quote: Dead Day

about the current ones, and their "dachas" please write ...

It is forbidden! Ratings will crash!
Dacha Brezhnev "Glicia", where he met with Nixon

Dacha Brezhnev "Dubrava"

where Tito, Ceausescu, Castro were visiting.
Modestly so, in the Soviet way! And now?

[kalibr]

Quote: Dead Day

about the current ones, and their "dachas" please write ...

Help visit, then immediately ...

[Nafanya from the sofa]

But he left behind ... 15 summer cottages that belonged to him personally! This the figure is called by the guides on the Stalinist

The most reliable source of information.
ps For the "Stalin Prizes" * money was taken from I. V. Stalin's fees for the publication of his works, including abroad. It is possible that part of Stalin's salary also went to the awards - he held two positions (secretary of the Central Committee and chairman of the Council of People's Commissars), and for each in the post-war years he was charged 10 thousand rubles a month. The historian Sergei Devyatov argued that in reality the fact that the Stalin Prize fund was financed from the fees and salaries of Comrade Stalin himself is not documented in any way, but is a widespread "myth"; Stalin did not receive royalties from publishing houses - they went directly to the state budget [7]. Stalin's personal bodyguard, Alexei Rybin, in the 1989 documentary film directed by Semyon Aranovich, "I served in Stalin's guard," claims that the Stalin Prize was paid from Stalin's personal funds.

The Stalin Prize (Prize named after Stalin) is one of the highest forms of rewarding citizens of the USSR for outstanding achievements in science and technology, military knowledge, literature and art, fundamental improvements in production methods in 1940-1955.

[kalibr]

Quote: Nafanya from the couch

The most reliable source of information.

Do you know a more reliable one? Why is Rybin a more reliable source? You also write "not confirmed", perhaps .... So the article indicates where the information comes from. We are not talking about how much% it is reliable. The photo is before your eyes. They don't show any underground passages either, but they say there are. Are they lying?

[Nafanya from the sofa]

Uv. Mr. Shpakovsky! I deliberately cited Devyatov's quote in full in order to show its internal inconsistency. "argued that in reality the fact that the Stalin Prize fund financed from fees and salaries Comrade Stalin himself is not documented in any way, but is a widespread "myth"; royalties Stalin did not receive from the publishing houses - they went directly to the state budget.
Is there a difference if you personally donate the fee for this article to charity, or your wife will do it from your corporate family bank card?

[kalibr]

In any case, spending millions in a war-torn country on maintenance and construction of new dachas is somehow not quite, right? It smacks of bad Asiatic ...

[Nafanya from the sofa]

spend millions in a war-torn country on maintenance and construction of new dachas

Can you list the list of Stalin's new dachas built after the Second World War? Well, the source of information about the amounts of millions of rubles for service, etc. Just don't refer to the guides and the "democratic press".

The list of things belonging to Stalin, described by order of L.P. Beria on the same evening on March 5, when the generalissimo was found dead there, impresses with its asceticism: several smoking pipes, 6 tunics, 10 trousers, a passbook with nine hundred rubles ... No jewelry (and in general, things of any material value), no amounts of cash were found at Stalin's at Blizhnyaya dacha. As well as at other dachas that the Generalissimo visited during his 29-year rule.
It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/other/39903773/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

[Krasnodar]

And why did the Soviet-style tsar-father need money? Pay for French couturiers for service jackets? VIP - train and summer cottages with a pool with sea water - this level

[kalibr]

Nafanya from the sofa.Cottage on Lake Ritsa. There is everything about her on the Internet. You don't have to ask me ...
But in this material details are added. And many interesting photos: "Not the only one, but beloved. Stalin's dacha on Lake Ritsa. Why would the leader of the peoples need two dozen country houses?"

And about the jacket and pipes ... Do you know what it is called? "Showy asceticism". A very popular technique for influencing society. It was used by many leaders of the totalitarian persuasion, the same Mao, Hitler, there were enough "skoromniki". Only they were "modest in the philistine".

[Free wind]

I tried to smoke a pipe, I didn't like it. Either the hands are busy, or the teeth hurt when they were.

[Luminman]

But he left behind ... 15 summer cottages that belonged to him personally!

Personal property is usually transferred to heirs. Where are Svetlana and Vasily's dachas?

This figure is called by the guides

A very accurate source of information. Just like the Internet

[Crowe]

Personal property in the inventory above. Also this can be attributed to such

Everything else is state-owned, and it doesn't matter what the guides said to the author, but now officials do not see the difference between the personal and the state from the word at all.

[Azis]

Where is the aquadiskotheque?

[Crowe]

Where are the gold toilets !?

[Xlor]

Where are the gold toilets !?

Without golden toilets, a dictator is not a dictator at all ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Azis

Where is the aquadiskotheque?

It was, but it was concreted immediately after death! Together with secret codes moves!

[Andrey Moskvin]

I-b found uranium with a pickaxe in Moscow
With such an increased salary ...

[north 2]

Asking whether Stalin and his family used a bidet is a sign of perversion. Strange, why then you are not interested in whether the bidet was used, and how, Misha Mechenny and especially Raika.
If you are already sick, then do not hide all the signs of the disease, it will be easier for the doctor to treat.
I thought, where until recently there were attempts to spoil the history of Russia, where it should not have been done, without advertising and hiding cases when sewage themselves float down the river of Russian history, but they are just like that, sick people do not notice. Remembered! This is when the Teacher created the most disgusting libel about the sexual relations of the last Emperor of Russia and Matilda, but there is still no film about how Misha the Marked Raiku filled up the film in the hostel. And what kind of bidet Raika used in her dachas, there are still no photos either. Everything is only about foreign Emperors - something about Nicholas, then about Stalin. When you start publishing all the details in bed and in the toilet about your own - the emperor of all liberals, Misha Marked

[kalibr]

Quote: north 2

When you start publishing all the details in bed and in the toilet about your own - the emperor of all liberals, Misha Marked

The next article is just about his dacha - you read "to be continued", but there will only be about what is shown. It is active, anyone can rent a number there right now. Therefore, not everything is open to tourists.

[avaks111]

what is the article for?

[Far B]

Shpakovsky, you see, the damned Bolsheviks again put on slippers. Now Shpakovsky is taking revenge, and his revenge is terrible.

[datura23]

if Lenin had lived a little longer, he would have executed Stalin - for Menshivism

[Far B]

live lenin a little longer

If Nicolas II were a little smarter, he would have made a thread to stop the revolutionary situation.
Had Alexander the Third been a little more perspicacious, he would have strangled Nikolenka, his little son, in the cradle with a pillow, and would have coached Mikhailo into the kingdom.
Had Alexander II lived a little longer - you look, and the constitutional monarchy would have kicked in ...
Continue? Alternate history - it's so alternate

[datura23]

I only mean that it is stupid to call Stalin a Bolshevik.

[Far B]

I only mean that it is stupid to call Stalin a Bolshevik

Why? Lenin is a genius theoretician, but what kind of practitioner he would become, we will never know. And Stalin is precisely a practitioner, and an excellent practitioner. He nurtured Lenin's teachings on the soil, with the forces and means that he had at that time. Of course, by adapting Lenin's teaching to the existing realities. Considering the end result, it turned out extremely well, IMHO. So Stalin is quite a Bolshevik, a Bolshevik-pragmatist.

[datura23]

Yes, Lenin considered Russians to be crap, and Stalin, being a Georgian, raised the role of the Russian people above all. So, at least on the national issue, they differ diametrically.

[Far B]

Lenin considered Russians to be shit

A quote from the PSS (or from anywhere, I'm not proud, but that it was just a Lenin quote), if, of course, it does not bother you. And then about the "intelligentsia - g .... nation" - I know, but about "Russians - d ...." - somehow I do not know.

[datura23]

"Ivashek" must be fooled.
We won't seize power without fooling "Ivashki"
"And I don't care about Russia ..."
"... So that they would not dare to think about any resistance for several decades."
"The court should not eliminate terror, but justify and legitimize it in principle"
"The intelligentsia is not the brain of the nation, but shit"
"We need to encourage the energy and mass character of terror"
“Under the guise of the 'greens' (we will blame them later) we will walk 10-20 versts and outweigh the kulaks, priests, landowners. Bonus: 100.000 RUB for the hanged man "
"... the more bourgeoisie and clergy we manage to shoot on this occasion, the better"
11 1918 of August

11.VIII.1918

[datura23]

Once the leader ordered the plenipotentiary Soviet representative in Switzerland:
"Give the Russian fools a job: send clippings here, not random numbers (as these have done so far)."

[datura23]

To Penza

T-shcham Kuraev, Bosch, Minkin and other Penza communists

T-cabbage soup! The uprising of the five kulak volosts should lead to ruthless suppression. This is required by the interest of the entire revolution, for now everywhere “the latter will decide. fight "with the kulak. A sample must be given.

1) Hang (certainly hang so that the people can see) at least 100 notorious kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers.

2) Post their names.

3) Take away all the bread from them.

4) Appoint hostages - according to yesterday's telegram.

To make sure that people see, tremble, know, shout for hundreds of miles: they will strangle and strangle the bloodsucker of kulaks.

Wire receipt and execution.

Your Lenin.

PS Find stronger people.

(RGASPI, f. 2, op. 1, d. 6898 - autograph).

[datura23]

Quotes from Lenin's notes:

"Ivashek" must be fooled.
We won't seize power without fooling "Ivashki"
"And I don't care about Russia ..."
"... So that they would not dare to think about any resistance for several decades."
"The court should not eliminate terror, but justify and legitimize it in principle"
"The intelligentsia is not the brain of the nation, but shit"
"We need to encourage the energy and mass character of terror"
“Under the guise of the 'greens' (we will blame them later) we will walk 10-20 versts and outweigh the kulaks, priests, landowners. Bonus: 100.000 RUB for the hanged man "
"... the more bourgeoisie and clergy we manage to shoot on this occasion, the better"
11 1918 of August

[datura23]

Marx considered the Slavs (an exception was made only for the "civilized" Poles) as an absolutely "inferior race".
Here he spoke about the Balkans:
"This magnificent territory has the misfortune of being inhabited by a conglomerate of different races and nationalities, about which it is difficult to say which one is most incapable of progress and civilization."
And here is a couple of words about Russia (from The Secret Diplomatic History of the XNUMXth Century):
“Muscovy was brought up and raised in the terrible and vile school of Mongol slavery.
It only intensified because it became a virtuoso in the art of slavery.
Even after its release, Muscovy continued to play its traditional role of a slave-turned-master.
Subsequently, Peter the Great combined the political art of the Mongol slave with the proud aspirations of the Mongol ruler, whom Genghis Khan bequeathed to carry out his plan to conquer the world. " A quote from Lenin's beloved Marx.

[datura23]

Destroying the Russians is the most important goal.
In one of the letters, Marx also writes this:
"In the war with Russia ... the motives of the people shooting at the Russians are completely indifferent, whether the motives ... will be black, red, gold or revolutionary." Marx is Lenin's beloved

[datura23]

https://ural.tsargrad.tv/articles/citaty-lenina-za-kotorye-kommunistam-dolzhno-byt-stydno_167752

[kalibr]

Quote: Dalny V

Considering the end result, it turned out extremely well, IMHO.

TWO years after Stalin's death, the entire "cohort of honor", all of his marshals, all ministers, party bosses and others together, as one, disowned him at the XX Congress of the CPSU. Since the devastation begins in the heads, and not in the toilets, it is clear ... how quickly it began there. And it went ... straight to 91. And if it was not possible to educate the consciousness of the marshals of Victory, then what can we say about simple workers. And you are "extremely good" ... Consciousness is the main indicator of the presence of a reorganization of society. There is no him and everything will return to normal. And it returned!

[EvilLion]

For example, when Rokossovsky was in prison, when Khrushch asked him to throw mud at Stalin, Khrushch refused.

[kalibr]

Quote: EvilLion

For example, when Rokossovsky was in prison, when Khrushch asked him to throw mud at Stalin, Khrushch refused.

But at the congress he did not rise to the podium. And he was indignant, if he was indignant - silently.

[datura23]

Are you really better than Rokossovsky? After all, you are not silent about Stalin after 50 years of his murder !!!

[kalibr]

Quote: datura23

his murders

By whom?

[datura23]

assassins, poisoners, and criminal hands-on

[kalibr]

Quote: datura23

assassins, poisoners, and criminal hands-on

The leader surrounded by the almighty Ministry of Internal Affairs and this was allowed-ah-ah! We got to the very top ... that's how ... I didn't know, I'm sorry. And in Pravda something else was written.

[Far B]

Consciousness is the main indicator of the presence of a reorganization of society. There is no him and everything will return to normal. And it returned!

Listening to you, it's hard to disagree. Consciousness is absent.

TWO years after Stalin's death, the entire "cohort of honor", all his marshals, all ministers, party bosses and others together, as one, disowned him at the XX Congress of the CPSU

Is everything-everything-everything straight, like in the story with Winnie the Pooh? And Rokossovsky did not say to Khrushch "Comrade Stalin is a saint for me," and did not mention Sholokhov in an interview that, they say, there was a cult, but there was also a personality? And there was no pressure from Kukuruznik on the same marshals and party bosses? You love, Mr. Shpakovsky, wishful thinking.

[kalibr]

Quote: Dalny V

You love, Mr. Shpakovsky, wishful thinking.

Why did they keep silent in front of everyone at the congress? Silently "resisted" ...

[kalibr]

Quote: Dalny V

And Rokossovsky did not say to Khrushchu "Comrade Stalin is a saint for me"

Where did you say? At the XX Congress from the rostrum?

[3x3zsave]

Consciousness is the main indicator of the presence of a reorganization of society.
The history of the XNUMXth century in Russia reminds me of the history of England in the XNUMXth century. Only William III of Orange succeeded, but Stalin did not.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

They did not renounce, they "opened" their eyes to what they already knew and explained that they would no longer do this to them, as under Stalin. That is the whole essence of the report.

[kalibr]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

They did not renounce, they "opened" their eyes to what they already knew and explained that they would no longer do the same with them, as under Stalin.

And they were delighted!

[Daniil Konovalenko]

Come on, discuss those, nowadays it is not much better. If you said that these are many times better than those and provided the justification, but no, you will not.

[kalibr]

Quote: Daniil Konovalenko

much no better now

"We studied at the elders looking." How can they be better?

[Aviator_]

Why? Lenin is a genius theoretician, but what kind of practitioner he would become, we will never know.

A theoretician, a theoretician, but as a practitioner, he also showed himself - he won the Civil War by the Decree on Earth, and the NEP was declared under him. Stalin undoubtedly did much more for the country, but he also lived more.

[datura23]

and what is the dignity of coming out victorious against our own?

[Aviator_]

Are Sechin, Gref and Nabiulina your own for you? - then I have no questions.

[datura23]

and here are the above? Lenin destroyed his homeland. Don't like the Motherland? Need to destroy?

[ee2100]

And he is also a theoretician, for the most part, of a revolutionary coup.
And about what the economic future will be, after the seizure of power, he has practically zero. Here is the jump from War Communism to NEP.

[Aviator_]

And about what the economic future will be, after the seizure of power, he has practically zero.

The work "Immediate Tasks of the Soviet Power".

[ee2100]

Before the coup about this m. thought, but what kind of economic model would be exactly no one imagined

[EvilLion]

And Lenin won the civil one and gathered almost the entire Empire.

[datura23]

Under Lenin, Russia lost territory

[Andrey Moskvin]

Maybe dementia, it's not 88 now.

[Aviator_]

Maybe dementia, it's not 88 now. laughing

Who? If the author has, then, it seems, it is too early. Although the complexes are unavoidable.

[ee2100]

A decrease in the criticality of one's own perception is one of the signs of dementia

[Undecim]

what is the article for?

To clickbait.

[mihaylov]

Quote: Undecim

what is the article for?

To clickbait.

The best comment on the article!

[EvilLion]

Look you, a man with a height of 170 cm, which at the beginning of the 20th century, as it were, was not higher than average due to growth. Well, who about what, what is called.

Personally, Stalin could hand over his dacha to Vasya. Transferred? Or is it all state property?

[Krasnodar]

So he had this dacha for the state account, like all billionaire bells and whistles such as a pool with sea water. I would have passed it on for my own.

[EvilLion]

"What kind of country is this where even the head of state does not have a normal summer residence?"

It is supposed, if you have, then at least sometimes use. Was here recently in Uruguay, it seems, one president, who lived in a small house and drove a small car, something Uruguay did not get rich from this.

[Krasnodar]

Was here recently in Uruguay, it seems, one president, who lived in a small house and drove a small car, something Uruguay did not get rich from this.

See how the leaders of the Scandinavian countries live In addition, we are talking about the party leader of the world's first country of workers and peasants. Don't you notice the dissonance?

[Daniil Konovalenko]

So other presidents shouted before him, but this one just showed that you can live differently. True, one thing, but for all his presidency, not a single assassination attempt was made on him, neither the right nor the left.

[depressant]

Well, I read it ....
Do you know, colleagues, which head of state is not scary to lose? One who, cunningly in advance, grabbed from the Western developments the idea of ​​globalism to divide the world into parts controlled by trans-national corporations under their single authority, and at political and economic forums, over and over again, as an idea of ​​developing his state, puts forward a confrontation with the Western world. Like, we are against TNCs, LBGTs and all that stuff, Western values ​​are not our values. That's right, not ours. Where are ours? Where are the ideas? Where is the development? Maybe a sharp rise in industrial production - so that for the purpose of strategic security of the state, from the last nail to the most complex microcircuit, everything is produced in our country, which is a continent? Or so that the seeds of agricultural crops to the last grain were only ours? But no. As the owner of one of the country's largest meat processing plants told the KP correspondent, who wished to remain anonymous:

Our industry today is engaged in simple and unprofitable reproduction. If it is in such a situation, then the entire economy of the state is in such a situation.

The quote refers to sausage production. But as a person in the subject, the owner of the enterprise generalizes our entire stagnation. Produces correctly ...

It was terrible to lose Stalin. At a tremendous pace, he strengthened the country, given its centuries-old confrontation with the outside world - a tradition that cannot be eliminated, no matter what our political system may be. And he did everything to be able to resist. And he did.
And for other leaders of the country, I feel sorry for one dacha. All the more so for someone who, declaring one thing, does another, and cunning others think for him. Leading the country either to disintegration, or to the conquest of the Horde.

[Drot Gyt]

The article should be called "My answer to Navalny". It's a little late, however