Mate will never disappear from army life

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Soviet propaganda poster of 1965

The problem of using profanity in Russia comes up regularly.

Almost every year, one or another initiative appears, new restrictions on the use of profanity are proposed, but the situation does not radically change. And in some areas of modern life, mat actually plays the role of a spoken language.



Why won't mate in the army disappear anywhere?


In fact, the answer to the question of whether mate will ever disappear from army life lies on the surface.

The army is always a part of society that does not exist separately from it. The Russian army consists of citizens of our country who do not study mat in the armed forces, they come to serve already prepared, no matter whether it is recruits, contract soldiers or former cadets of higher military schools.

The average resident of Russia is well acquainted with profanity even before the army. Mat is present in our daily life and even culture, it is part of a widespread speech practice. Almost none of us, hitting the finger with a hammer, does not say "pancake". In this regard, the country's armed forces always receive personnel prepared for the perception and reproduction of the mat.

We can say that tolerance for obscenities in society today has greatly increased. Many will blame modern pop culture, but if you dig deeper, then the mate was invented by a far from conditional Sergey Shnurov. The sun of our poetry Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin wrote poetry using profanity, and in this he was far from alone.

The global difference lies in the fact that there was no Internet during Pushkin's lifetime. Therefore, the poet's "piquant" poems had limited circulation. The second important difference was that the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of the empire at that time simply could not read. Live Pushkin today, it is quite possible to imagine that the main Russian poet could make himself a career as the main Russian rapper with all that it implies.


Cadets take the military oath, photo: RF Ministry of Defense

In fact, swearing from the army can disappear only when society, for whatever reason, refuses to use such words in everyday life.

It is almost impossible to imagine such a thing. Therefore, the only option when there really will be no swearing in the armed forces is only the case when the military will be replaced Robots and robotic, unmanned vehicles. Emotions are alien to artificial intelligence and computers.

At the same time, there is a sufficient number of those who share the opinion that it is pointless to fight against obscenities, especially in the army. If in peacetime in the unit you can still restrain yourself, then in combat conditions the mat automatically comes out. Military psychologists believe that even those who normally restrain and control themselves begin to swear in battle.

Part of the military is convinced that orders given with obscenities reach their subordinates faster and more accurately, especially in a stressful situation. Sometimes the use of a mate in combat conditions allows you to shorten an order or command to literally a few words.

In a combat situation, the use of a mat is a kind of emotional relief, release of steam and an opportunity to relieve the monstrous tension. Modern research shows that swearing can increase pain threshold and endurance. For any army, these criteria are important.

How did the attitude towards mate in the Russian army change?


In Russia, in the army, at different times, the attitude to mate was different.

For example, during the existence of the nobility and class-estate orders, the situation was somewhat different than today. Even during the reign of Peter I, the "Military article" was introduced in the army. It was the military criminal code published in 1715, which already stipulated the use of abusive language.

A senior officer in the tsarist army could not swear at subordinate officers. At the same time, the rank of the authorities had no role. In this regard, in the army and in navy clear class orders were observed, between the noble officers such behavior and vocabulary were considered unacceptable.

At the same time, an obscene treatment could be used by an officer in relation to the lower ranks, here it increasingly depended on the level of upbringing and decency of a person. The non-commissioned officers were not particularly shy about using a swear word. The mat in relation to soldiers or sailors in the navy was used everywhere and was not unusual. This behavior, in fact, was not in any way condemned.


Phrase and frame from the Russian feature film DMB

After two revolutions in a row, the situation naturally changed.

After the October Revolution of 1917, all the old class and estate orders were finally eliminated. At the same time, the manner of communication that existed between the officers became a thing of the past.

At the same time, most of the future red commanders were promoted from the lowest ranks or from non-commissioned officers of the Russian Imperial Army. At the same time, the spread of mate at the highest command level became widespread. In the USSR, they periodically tried to somehow regulate this widespread use of mate in communication with subordinates, but no one has ever shown much zeal in this matter.

As a result, today the situation when an officer can swear not only subordinate soldiers, but also lower-ranking officers, is quite common.

Attempts are being made to remedy the situation from time to time, and various initiatives in this regard are voiced. So, in 2015, the All-Russian Parents' Council public movement proposed to eradicate obscenities in the army.

In the same year, the Russian Ministry of Defense talked about the preparation of a manual entitled "Polite People", which was supposed to include a whole section on the inadmissibility of using profanity. Actually, since then, practically nothing is known about the fate of the instruction, but it is definitely clear that the obscenity in the army has not disappeared anywhere.

How mate is treated in the American army


The use of profanity in the armed forces is not a subject of discussion in any one particular country.

Confirmation of this can be found in popular culture. The most vivid example, which today has sold out on memes and numerous humorous videos, is the monologue of Sergeant Hartman in the American film "Full Metal Jacket".

At the same time, the United States has a Unified Code of Military Justice, article 134 of which directly stipulates punishment for the use of profanity and insults in the armed forces. This article prohibits the use of "obscene language" or words that may offend a person or cause shock from language that is obscene, vulgar, obscene or disgusting. The use of lustful expressions is separately stipulated.


Shot with Sergeant Hartman from the American movie "Full Metal Jacket"

The scope of punishments under this article for obscene language is quite diverse. For example, servicemen for indecent behavior can be sent to a guardhouse, deprived of their pay for a certain period, and in case of repeated violation of discipline and undermining the moral character of the armed forces, they can be dismissed from the army.

At the same time, despite the presence in article 134 of a separate section on obscene language, this very manner of speech has not disappeared from the American army. The US military is still swearing.

On this score, there are many theories that explain that there is nothing wrong with such behavior. In this case, the mate can be useful in some cases.

For example, National Geographic magazine cited excerpts from a book by Emma Byrne, which examined profanity from a scientific point of view. The writer comes to the conclusion that swearing and harsh swearing can contribute to better teamwork in a team and increase the level of trust. Separately, the observation that profanity increases the threshold of pain tolerance is highlighted. This is especially difficult to argue with. A soldier wounded in battle usually does not speak the language of Byron or Pushkin.

Another study, which was prepared by experts from Cambridge and Stanford, was published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science. It says that people who swear more are usually more honest with those around them. It is emphasized that swear words give more nuance to speech, allowing you to more accurately and truthfully express emotions.

In general, in the American armed forces, as in the Soviet army, and then in the Russian one, mate is officially prohibited. The limits of the use of profanity and punishment for this are spelled out in official documents.

But in reality, the mat is usually turned a blind eye. At the same time, in the scientific field and among ordinary people, there is a huge number of opinions that the prohibition or fight against obscenities in the army or in other areas of modern life is, in principle, unpromising and useless.
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  1. +2
    23 October 2021 15: 07
    There are no other topics, this one has already been sucked.
    1. +12
      23 October 2021 15: 30
      And don't say. That we have a mate is the biggest problem in the army? And in fact, a mate in the army is simply necessary, because there are such woodpeckers, which until you cover them with a mate, nothing reaches.
      1. +7
        23 October 2021 18: 36
        Quote: Kayala
        And don't say. That we have a mate is the biggest problem in the army? And in fact, a mate in the army is simply necessary, because there are such woodpeckers, which until you cover them with a mate, nothing reaches.

        ========
        And don't speak! When I was a SA "jacket" myself, I tried not to "express myself" ..... But sometimes it just "pulled out" ..... request So what to do? That's when I felt the old army proverb: "Better to be in charge of 100 fixtures than one fighter! ".....
        PS Actually, there was only one "warrant officer" in the unit, he was called "Chess Player" "behind his back" and not because he played well in the ancient intellectual game (in my opinion, he had no idea what it was - chess ), but because he has, as in that "bearded" anecdote: "every step is mate"! (How many years have passed, and I still cannot imagine HOW he communicated with his family at home?) what Evil tongues claimed that he was able to set a task for the fighters without using ANY "literary" word! Like: "What the hell did they get on with? Unfit on figs! "(he just served at the warehouse) ..... And for some reason I believe in it! request laughing
        1. +3
          24 October 2021 01: 22
          Quote: venik
          Like: "What the hell did you get the hell out of? (he just served in a warehouse) .....

          There is a continuation
          - Nifiga not dofiga!
          - Fuck it!
          1. +5
            24 October 2021 20: 17
            Omar Khayyam once wrote:

            The prohibition of wine is a law that reckons
            Who is drunk, and when, and how much, and with whom.
            When all these reservations are met,
            Drinking is a sign of wisdom, not a vice at all

            Why is it about wine, if we are talking about mate? And to the fact that with obscenities clever people do the same as with the use of wine. If it is rare, wisely and to the point, it is permissible for the good of the cause. If someone thoughtlessly scattered obscenities to the right and left in any audience - he ... is a VERY stupid person and a bully.

            И a real Russian man unthinkable without a mat. If he never does not swear or drink - he is NOT Russian.
            1. -2
              28 October 2021 18: 24
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              ...AND a real Russian man no mat
              unthinkable. If he never does not swear or drink - he is NOT Russian.

              belay
              Russophobic zalepuha from the State Department manuals.
              1. -2
                28 October 2021 18: 31
                Quote: Gunter
                Russophobic zalepuha from the State Department manuals.

                Russian Germans never do not understand! Like many foreigners ... tsam, some stupid fellow countrymen! laughing
                1. -1
                  28 October 2021 20: 24
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  The Germans will never understand Russians! As well as
                  many foreigners ... tsam, some stupid fellow countrymen!

                  laughing
                  Vladimir Mashkov is not the first to speak Russophobic nonsense about the foul language and drunkenness of Russians.
                  the image of the enemy was created by aliens with the help of similar libels:
                  “Drunkenness is all their pleasure, baklag is all that they hold on to, and if once they have a sober head, then they need an advisor”, such an enemy - a drunkard, a liar and foul language cannot be considered a person and therefore it is necessary and can be enslaved.
                  300 years later, Russophobes follow the instructions of the State Department.
                  and definitely "Vladimir Mashkov", I'm not a fellow countryman.laughing
                  those who carry Russophobic nonsense, like "Vladimir Mashkov", in my opinion, or narrow-minded people or Russophobes ....
                  1. -2
                    28 October 2021 20: 49
                    Quote: Gunter
                    and definitely "Vladimir Mashkov", I'm not a fellow countryman.
                    those who carry Russophobic nonsense, like "Vladimir Mashkov" or narrow-minded people or Russophobes ...

                    You are DEEPLY mistaken! Narrow people are those who, reading what is written or listening to other people, DO NOT UNDERSTAND the meaning of what is written or said! True, provocateurs do the same ... laughing

                    And I am VERY glad that you are NOT a fellow countryman! My fellow countrymen - SMART cultured and polite people! Yes

                    And you, Gunther, why are you answering so illiterately and do not understand what I have written about? Foreigner? smile
                    1. -1
                      28 October 2021 21: 03
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      And you, Gunther, why are you answering so illiterately and
                      Do you not understand what I have written about?
                      Foreigner?

                      belay
                      well, do not be so sorry to flow around.
                      I perfectly understood what Vladimir Mashkov wrote - if you are not drunk and not a foul language, then you are not Russian, it is difficult not to understand a Russophobe.laughing

                      the one who approves, like Vladimir Mashkov (for the sake of a "good attitude"), the transfer to China of the Tarabarov Island, part of the Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island in the Khabarovsk Territory and the Bolshoi Island in the Chita Region, which were of strategic importance for the state - fortunately, I am not a fellow countryman, Chinese hivis are not my fellow countrymenlaughing
                      I see no reason to continue to communicate on this topic, everything is clear with Vladimir Mashkov
                      1. 0
                        29 October 2021 20: 58
                        Quote: Gunter
                        well, do not be so sorry to flow around.

                        And how do you "wrap around" uncomfortable questions and twist! Many cheaters are far from you! laughing

                        I write that - according to the words of Omar Khayyam - clever ( especially for you- SMART, SMART, SMART) Russians skillfully use both wine and mat: rarely, wisely and to the point for the good of the cause... You, allegedly on the basis of my words, claim that I am "carrying Russophobic nonsense about the foul language and drunkenness of the Russians." request

                        It is not known why you suddenly claim that I approve of the transfer to China (in your opinion, China) of some unknown islands in the Far East ... fool

                        You claim that I am Chinese and hivi (I wonder who this is?) ... fool

                        When asked if you yourself are a foreigner, you DO NOT answer ... request

                        Yes, there are many different people hanging out on the Runet. There are those who are illiterate, there are those who like to swear, pester people with baseless accusations. There are even patients in mental hospitals with aggressive obsessive delusions! laughing

                        Who are you, hurray-patriot, "defender of the Russians" with the typical "Russian" nickname Gunther, the name Heinrich and an avatar in a Pelyura hat? laughing laughing laughing
        2. +14
          24 October 2021 14: 08
          For a real ensign, 5 words and their derivatives are enough to convey to the soldiers the whole essence of the President's Address to the Federal Assembly.
          Yes
      2. 0
        23 October 2021 18: 58
        Quote: Kayala
        And in fact, a mate in the army is simply necessary, because there are such woodpeckers, which until you cover them with a mate, nothing reaches.

      3. +5
        23 October 2021 22: 11
        It’s not bad that in the conversation of the boss, the mate slips.
        The bad news is that swearing to some military men with big stars is replaced by normal Russian.
    2. +8
      23 October 2021 18: 10
      Today it is difficult to get rid of the mat in kindergartens, the author is seriously about the army?
      1. +2
        24 October 2021 21: 06
        An old Soviet joke. The head of the kindergarten electrician calls Uncle Dima. She says: parents complain that the children came home yesterday and swear. They say that they heard from you. Uncle Dima: "I - never." Here, for example, yesterday Vasya dripped tin from a soldering iron onto the back of my head, but it is decent for him like this: Vasya, you're wrong. "
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    1. +17
      23 October 2021 15: 57
      Mate will never disappear from army life

      In the army, they don't use foul language, in the army they use foul language.
      They say that the enemy, listening to the negotiations of our military, does not understand nichrome.
      1. +6
        23 October 2021 22: 33
        Here in a fight and a good hand-to-hand fight, mate is just necessary !!! And the rest of the time, it dishonors a person as God's creation. All my life it jars when I hear swearing in vain ...
      2. -1
        24 October 2021 08: 06
        For example, a commander says to a subordinate: "Go to Odessa urgently and visit Benin's mother."
        What can the enemy understand?
    2. +16
      23 October 2021 15: 59
      And, dozing, we go until the night -
      And time drives horses.


      I would probably forgive obscenities to anyone who could speak such Russian
      language. But the trouble is that they can only speak foul language. Think obscenities. Without a mat they become dumb. A person thinks in words, there is no other way. And if there are only a couple of dozen of these words? Biologists have counted a hundred words each for objects and actions in herds of monkeys. Sometimes they sound similar. Are we at the level of monkeys?
      1. +5
        23 October 2021 16: 56
        No, not in words - in images. Imagine a beautiful girl that you suddenly saw ... You just start thinking - "a beautiful maiden came out ..." I think not, you just imagine her. Of course, all this happens on the basis of the native language, but how else - we are Russians (I at least), but in images.
        And mate-rewind ... but God bless him, at work it does not work out differently, recently the Bulgarian fell off - he rasped the whole hand to the bone and even part of the bone. Of course I swore ... it hurts a lot, still on sick leave.
        1. +4
          23 October 2021 17: 13
          [quote] [No, not in words - in images. Imagine a beautiful girl ... / quote]

          You contradict yourself. Did not notice ? To evoke an image, you say the three words "Imagine a beautiful girl." The second signal system plus the logical operations tool (addition, multiplication, inversion) is all language. Developed in the process of evolution of herd animals. Gives the herd a competitive advantage. Uses a low-speed acoustic communication channel. There are birds, amphibians and even insects. Unlike optical - facial expressions, gestures, etc. But the principle is one - fast transmission of information. Not all, but only the main one. Say "red ball" - and a picture will appear in your head. It doesn't matter football, kids, rubber or leather. The main thing is the ball plus the logical "AND" - red.
          By the way, it was the competition of herds of the same species and the appearance of words and language that made humans out of monkeys. And not work at all, as is commonly said.
          Deaf and dumb gestures play the same role - a short designation of an action or object. On which it is already easy to perform logical operations.
          At the same time, he explains the minimum short set for stressful situations - checkmate.
          1. +1
            23 October 2021 17: 31
            No, I do not contradict, I told you so, but imagine that you dreamed about it. What signaling system is involved in this? Subconscious? Does the subconscious mind tell you - "beautiful maiden"? Sorry, but I think all the same images. Let's digress from the signaling systems ... I'll tell you "thunderstorm" - do you start thinking in words or imagine a darkening sky, lightning, thunderclaps? But honestly. Once again, I repeat, all this is then thought over and analyzed in Russian words, that is why we are Russians (although it is possible in another language - who was born where).
            Don't distract me with the theory of evolution, we are talking about a very specific thing - you say that a person thinks in words (deaf people - with gestures), I - in images.
            Thanks for your reply, quite an interesting controversy. :)
          2. +5
            23 October 2021 17: 43
            By the way, it was the competition of herds of the same species and the appearance of words and language that made humans out of monkeys. And not work at all, as is commonly said.

            By the way, perhaps the first words of a person were obscene, at least in the Proto-Indo-European language. The first words are exclamations, admiration ... it is our three words that can replace the entire vocabulary of the Russian language. I have a friend, a foreigner, now a Russian, who speaks three languages, native, English as a native and Russian a little worse, he always admires our obscene language, even keeps a mat dictionary, for example, he has about 50 words rooted in the word "female organ", somehow added to it ... with a change in stress, the meaning changes - “to beat” and “lie” ”, this is a literary translation, but without changing the stress, but in the context of“ beat ”and“ steal. ”This is only possible in our language . We must take care of it, but not abuse it ... oh, mischief .. hi
          3. +1
            24 October 2021 03: 58
            Quote: dauria
            At the same time, he explains the minimum short set for stressful situations - checkmate.

            Remember in the "Peculiarities of the National Hunt":

            "A toast on the hunt should be short, like a command, like a shot, otherwise there will be no time for rest."
            So it is in a combat situation: there is no time to breed polites. Hence the short phrases that are clear to everyone.
        2. +4
          23 October 2021 18: 12
          Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
          Cursed of course ... very painful, still on sick leave

          Get well!
          1. +3
            23 October 2021 18: 20
            Thanks. Everything is already moving towards recovery. I will live. :)
        3. 0
          23 October 2021 22: 35
          A similar case with the grinder, BUT did not give out a word of obscenity ... Only. He called himself a fool.
          1. -1
            24 October 2021 14: 01
            My respect. You must be a saint.
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      3. +1
        24 October 2021 03: 47
        Quote: dauria
        Sometimes they sound similar. Are we at the level of monkeys?

        There are some theoretical speculations that modern monkeys are mutated representatives of an extinct civilization ... lol
      4. +1
        24 October 2021 21: 08
        Quote: dauria
        And, dozing, we go until the night -
        And time drives horses.


        I would probably forgive obscenities to anyone who could speak such Russian
        language. But the trouble is that they can only speak foul language. Think obscenities. Without a mat they become dumb. A person thinks in words, there is no other way. And if there are only a couple of dozen of these words? Biologists have counted a hundred words each for objects and actions in herds of monkeys. Sometimes they sound similar. Are we at the level of monkeys?

        Good point. If you can’t do anything other than swearing, that’s one thing. And if "when necessary" - that's different.
    3. +1
      23 October 2021 17: 46
      I the other day, a few years ago, so in the comments Taras Shevchenko's verse about a Sumerian, a Jew and a Pole wrote, so they slapped me for a mate wink Now two peas are hanging, the third is an eternal ban. So the moderators don't look at the asterisks in the words ...
      Though it’s sometimes difficult to carry a burden,
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  3. +17
    23 October 2021 15: 28
    I will allow myself a "button accordion":

    In kindergarten - state of emergency: children began to use foul language. The manager went
    to complain to the neighboring military unit, from where two soldiers were sent to repair the
    kindergarten electricity. The lieutenant summoned the guilty.
    - No, Comrade Lieutenant, they didn’t allow anything like that. Private Sidorov
    I soldered the wires, I was holding a stepladder below. Then the tin began to drip on my head.
    - Well, you?
    - I say: "Private Sidorov, can't you see that your comrade is on the forehead
    drops of molten tin falling? "
    1. Cat
      +7
      23 October 2021 16: 31
      Two button accordions:
      - Where is the phrase "Guys, who is the last one for a beer?" can you insert the indefinite article "b .."?
      1. +1
        23 October 2021 16: 46
        Where is the phrase "Guys, who is the last one for the beer?" can you insert the indefinite article "b .."?
        the answer is any! laughing
        1. AUL
          +1
          23 October 2021 18: 03
          With us, you can not only swear at us, but also praise, and prove the theorem of sines, and make a marriage proposal!
        2. +2
          23 October 2021 22: 38
          Is it a mandatory requirement to insert this indefinite article with or without reason? Or in life you can do without it ???
          1. 0
            23 October 2021 23: 32
            Quote: sso-250659
            Is it a mandatory requirement to insert this indefinite article with or without reason?

            try to describe your feelings out loud without using that article after hitting your finger with a hammer
          2. 0
            24 October 2021 11: 29
            And insert this indefinite article with and without
            who just said about "with and without"? Life, it is much broader and more voluminous than the two extremes.
            is it a mandatory requirement?
            and again - who and where said what it was mandatory requirement?
            Or in life you can do without it ???
            of course you can. But you apparently did not lead a certain number of bipedal homo-erectus who saw you and your orders in the coffin as a senior in position! What about work should be executed efficiently and on time. And above you there is still a higher authority, which will ask you specifically for the result! So what are you going to do? Explain to each "high calmness" - "Well, Vasily Petrovich, well, darling, well, Understand! If we do not clean the hold by 15.30, then gentlemen, the Japanese dockers will steal the cranes, and we will not be able to lift the bark on the deck. And if we do not lift it, we will not be able to accept return cargo, and if we do not accept the cargo today and do not leave the port! And this threatens with downtime! So I'll tell you - it is much easier and more effective to make a scary face, lay it on three floors and threaten with heavenly punishment! Don't waste your time. And you will waste your time in vain! There is a category of citizens who are alien to the voice of reason and logic -
            Alexander Ivanovich! You did not come from like all people - from a monkey! And from the cow! Think tight! Just like an artiodactyl
            (c) I. Ilf, E. Petrov "The Golden Calf"
            1. +1
              28 October 2021 18: 38
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              ... So I'll tell you - it's much easier and more effective to make a scary face, lay it on three floors

              belay
              I saw how the issuer of these "three floors" was planted a chisel in the liver - sometimes you have to answer for your words, so it is better to speak normal Russian, which, by the way, is characteristic of a Russian sober person.
              Abusive vocabulary is because it is abusive because it is used on the battlefieldlaughing
              1. -1
                28 October 2021 19: 01
                planted a chisel in liver
                you need to know when and under what conditions and, most importantly, what to say.
                sometimes you have to answer for your words
                do not confuse yard or zon's showdowns with working in the navy (you can immediately see the mother's "expert")
                therefore, it is better to speak normal Russian, which, by the way, is characteristic of a Russian sober person.
                those. allow themselves strong expressions exclusively down-and-out drunks or non-Russians ?! Well, find me a purebred Russian wassat laughing
                My friend, I suspect that you have never been anywhere except cities. And except on the sofa they did not spend the night and did not hold a heavier spoon in their hands. Hence the perception of the world as "pink ponies and unicorns" hi
                ps
                By the way, they once rushed at me with a shovel, since they tried to strangle me right in the box, I don't even remember the number of massacres. Well, there is a choice - either to become patient and put everyone on your neck ... and do the work for others ..... people (I would say differently but censorship) Or put everything and everyone in their OWN places. The choice is yours
  4. +2
    23 October 2021 15: 30
    And how, for example, without a mat in a small room to unload the lawn-Next packed to the eyeballs? I swear at myself and at the same time let off steam! After all, the desire is one - to give up everything and quit under the article! But what is unloaded also needs to be sorted! So what if I'm a past teacher?
  5. +10
    23 October 2021 15: 31
    The global difference is that there was no Internet during Pushkin's lifetime.

    The "global difference" is just something else!
    Alexander Sergeevich was a Master of the Russian word. And if he allowed himself to swear, it was out of mischief.
    Our situation is completely different. Matom began to talk. To speak mate as in another, non-Russian alternative language.
    At the same time, forgetting what is not even artistic - God is with her, with artistic! - ordinary Russian colloquial speech.
    PS
    came to mind
    those who do not know how to communicate in Russian, but do it with the help of swear words, are quite worthy of being considered representatives of not the Russian nation, but of an obscene nationality.
    1. +11
      23 October 2021 15: 41
      Well, yes, you are right. Nowadays young people do not use foul language, they speak it. Girls are especially different in this regard, they swear worse than guys. To be honest, the modern company of young people disgusts me. No, I'm not a prude, and I myself sometimes express myself three-story, but at least I do it on business, and do not use obscenities while passing by.
      1. -1
        23 October 2021 17: 45
        Quote: Kayala
        Nowadays young people do not use foul language, they speak it.

        Let them take an example from Peskov. He swears in English at home! (Delighting American wiretaps) hi
    2. +9
      23 October 2021 15: 45
      An officer should not use foul language for a bunch of words, but sometimes it is even necessary to express delight or indignation in battle, and not in the classroom.
      1. 0
        23 October 2021 16: 01
        Quote: Silver bullet
        sometimes it is even necessary to express delight or indignation in battle, and not in the classroom.
        So, if you believe TV, we only have Putin not swearing, although most likely it is the administrator on the same TV that does not allow to show everything, how he has his office ...
      2. -1
        23 October 2021 19: 03
        It can be easier to say - you need to know such words because anything can happen in our life. Or stormy joy .. Or some kind of misfortune .. Or a sledgehammer on the leg shmyaknetsya)) laughing
      3. +2
        23 October 2021 22: 45
        Here, I completely agree, I am quoting A. Pokrovsky: “Wo- is not a hybrid of a vobla and a sterlet, this is not even a cute girl with unstable morality and slender legs, enjoying the well-deserved attention from men, this is a cry of delight and surprise.
        © Rear Admiral VG Dobroskochenko. "Every word must come to the place and time of use !!! Only then will it take effect !!!
    3. +11
      23 October 2021 15: 46
      Here, I absolutely agree.
      A stressful situation is one thing. Here who, as they say, what he studied. Quite another, when the mat is ubiquitous and not substantiated by anything other than the meager vocabulary of the individual.
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        1. +1
          23 October 2021 17: 52
          How can I remember

          By the way, Kirill Prokofievich Orlovsky, the Great Man, is considered the prototype of Trubnikov.
          He also served as a prototype for Ernest Hemingway in the novel "For Whom the Bell Tolls" by Robert Jordan.
          PS
          Please do not shorten the last name Hemingway hi
          1. 0
            23 October 2021 20: 36
            - wink "Please note that the expression" and other X-nya "does not fully reflect the range of services provided by our company ...!" (C).
    4. +6
      23 October 2021 15: 56
      It all depends on the level of upbringing and decency, the person. When the vocabulary is absolutely not enough, the question of whether or not to use the mate usually does not arise.
      hi
      1. +6
        23 October 2021 16: 34
        Quote: Cheshire
        It all depends on the level of upbringing and decency, the person.

        Quote: Sea Cat
        but in a family, and even with children, this is just bestiality.

        Quote: Sea Cat
        but in a family, and even with children, this is just bestiality.

        And on stage about mate without mate is humor:

        Enjoy your viewing and fun!
        hi
        1. -1
          23 October 2021 19: 03
          Weak Petrovich ... In a coal mine, under the roar of a working harvester, in a dusty environment, with a slight displacement of his respirator, team leader Ivanitch will give an individual outfit for only 3 thousand rubles to three miners, with safety instructions ...
    5. +10
      23 October 2021 16: 01
      Unfortunately, you are absolutely right, general illiteracy, lack of elementary culture (not only speech) and spiritual poverty. But the "swearing" of the Russian language did not begin "yesterday", for example, the limiters brought swearing as colloquial speech to Moscow. I remember that in the late seventies I accidentally ended up in the apartment of such a family and was just shocked - they quite calmly used obscene words in front of their children and not as swearing, but as spoken language. I am not a prude, for example, I can hardly imagine the army without a mat, I served myself, but in a family, and even with children, this is just bestiality.
      1. 0
        26 October 2021 01: 42
        This is not really bigotry. This is a disgusting legacy of those very class differences, when the aristocrats did not speak Russian well (there was even such a "guards accent", for example, you can hear it in the recording of the voice of Alexander III) and despise both the Russian language and the Russian people, deliberately singled out a significant part of the living Russian language in as obscene and abnormal. To separate yourself from the people. And so it went on. The admiration for bars did not go away after the Revolution, and various professors tried to orientate themselves to their culture. Thus, humiliating the Russian language and the people using it.
        You speak bestiality ...
        For example, in the Serbian language, the so-called "dog" is an important part. In principle, a complete analogue of our mat. Even the words are similar. The dog is used by everyone and in all situations. Mothers addressing children, office workers at meetings, all people in any other life situation. And this is not considered obscene vocabulary, only colloquial expressions.
        So what, we now Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins in whole nations to write down as cattle?
        Or do you still want to stop doing nonsense and struggle with your linguistic heritage and ancient culture?
        1. +1
          26 October 2021 13: 48
          Or do you still want to stop doing nonsense and struggle with your linguistic heritage and ancient culture?

          And use the names of the genitals and intimate moments of personal life to the place and not to the place. Especially with a young child. Normal move, go for it.
  6. +1
    23 October 2021 15: 56
    Army men and builders do not swear, they speak it.
    Sometimes it even aroused admiration for the ability of some individuals to convey their thoughts without using normative vocabulary. laughing
  7. 0
    23 October 2021 15: 56
    As soon as the students of higher educational institutions stop using foul language, so literally, but after 3 hours 15 minutes, the mat WILL BE DISAPPEARED from the ranks of the Armed Forces laughing laughing laughing
  8. HAM
    +4
    23 October 2021 15: 59
    Another thing is interesting: non-Russian-speaking people (this is so tolerant) say "mine is yours, don't understand!" then you can rotten?
    1. +6
      23 October 2021 16: 12
      but swearing in your own language is a sin ..


      laughing If you hit your finger with a hammer with all your foolishness and do not know Bulgarian or Serbian, then you simply have nothing to say ...
      1. +2
        23 October 2021 16: 38
        Albanian is also useful in such a situation. lol
        Poles know how to lay with relish, some words are even similar. But all the same, our idiomatic expressions cannot be compared, no one has such.
        1. +1
          24 October 2021 00: 13
          But all the same, our idiomatic expressions cannot be compared,


          Believe me, Russian friend, with the Serbs and we can not catch up ... Well, I would write, but the moderator will ban me for 750 years. As an example, only the Serbs have I met a mate, through the Mother of God. Your idiom sounds like a kindergarten skirmish ... laughing
          1. +1
            24 October 2021 11: 10
            With amazement I learned from you, a Bulgarian friend, that the Serbs turn out to be masters of swearing. belay
            I never thought that about them.

            Shl our relatives are Bulgarians, they piled them to Spain - they live there. My wife's cousin is married to Todor. They have two - Plamen and Danielka. For forty years as the Georgievs. Previously, they lived in Bulgaria, then how hard times began for you there - they left for Spain. But according to the latest information, there is also no sugar there.
            1. 0
              24 October 2021 11: 20
              I was amazed to learn that the Serbs are masters of swearing.


              When he was a student, he attended lectures that study vulgarity in Slavic languages. So Serbs are the only Slavs who swear through God and the Mother of God. There is something that is difficult for me to pronounce, although I am a notorious atheist. laughing Contrary to atheism, I have a socio-cultural respect for Orthodoxy.
              1. +1
                24 October 2021 11: 22
                These are the Serbs who are wicked oolers. laughing Although Orthodox.
                1. +1
                  24 October 2021 11: 26
                  These are the Serbs who turn out to be wicked ooles


                  Yes. And how it is combined with theirs religiosity just do not understand. This Serb must explain. They are much more religious than Bulgarians. In general, everything in the Balkans is more religious than we are. Greeks, Serbs - everyone takes religion seriously. And as we were pagans, we remain so. laughing
                  1. +1
                    24 October 2021 11: 29
                    Yes, yes, Todor is a builder by profession, when he worked under a contract in Russia, I did not hear something florid expressions from him - clearly he does not know how, like the Serbs, to lay a seven-story mat. No, of course he could do something, but weak, weak and not soulful. lol
                    1. -1
                      24 October 2021 11: 45
                      something florid expressions I have not heard from him


                      Maybe not in character. I can swear for about two hours, without repetition. But I never do this - I just don't feel the need. It’s interesting that I’m used to swearing in foreign languages ​​- in Russian, English, German and, of course, in Serbian. Somehow in a foreign language this does not sound vulgar and cultureless, but simply as an expression. But the speakers of these languages ​​look at me strangely and laugh ... laughing
                      1. 0
                        24 October 2021 11: 48
                        Can you swear for two hours without repetition ???
                        yes you, my friend, mighty Bulgarian! hi
                        I can't do that in my native Russian - although I served in the army and learned a lot about this topic for myself. laughing
                      2. -1
                        24 October 2021 13: 25
                        Can you swear for two hours without repetition ???


                        Just kidding, of course :) I can't for two hours ... we have such a proverb :)
                      3. +1
                        24 October 2021 13: 31
                        it turns out I bought into your joke. wink
      2. +1
        23 October 2021 18: 10
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        If you hit your finger with a hammer with all your foolishness and do not know Bulgarian or Serbian, then you simply have nothing to say ...

        I could not find a correspondence with you about the spelling of the word: "this" and which language is closer to you: Serbian:
        Nikada nisam mogao let us hire a prescripted sa vama about writing speech: "ovo" and koјi you јe ezik closer: srpski or bugarski?

        or Bulgarian:
        So it is not possible, but intending correspondence with you, is relatively written in the Dumata: "tova" and which Yesik vie is close: Srbski or Bulgarian?
        1. 0
          24 October 2021 00: 00
          I could not find a correspondence with you about the spelling of the word "this" and which language is closer to you:


          Hello, I am writing this because there is no reverse tablet on the keyboard. It seems that was the name of another "e". Otherwise I'm Bulgarian. And I understand Serbian from the first to the third word. I understand Croatian better - it is not as distant from Bulgarian as Serbian. In Croatia, it happened that I speak Bulgarian and they ask me how I know Croatian so well ... laughing
        2. 0
          24 October 2021 11: 55
          Bulgarian is clearer for me. Maybe because there are Bulgarian relatives and they often spoke a mixture of Bulgarian and Russian. Serbian is harder to perceive. (personally for me)
    2. +1
      23 October 2021 16: 46
      non-Russian-speaking people (this is so tolerant) say "mine is yours, don't understand!", swear in Russian so that any warrant officer will envy


      Yes, you are right, I also noticed this in my life.
    3. 0
      23 October 2021 18: 24
      Quote: HAM
      swear in Russian so that any warrant officer will envy ...

      The Balts also use Russian swearing, but they also have their own curses. For example, Estonians use the word kurat for this (devil in Russian), Russians sometimes call them that. Estonians do not like this, so they call Russians tibla, it is clear why.
  9. +1
    23 October 2021 16: 32
    Mate will never disappear from army life
    ... Well, to "lubricate" speech in an extreme situation ...
    In everyday life, this is superfluous.
    1. +1
      23 October 2021 22: 50
      So then in extreme !!! But not as a link between words !!!!!!!
      1. 0
        24 October 2021 10: 27
        You cannot replace speech with a surrogate ... especially in the presence of those who should not hear it.
        And so, when the brick fell on his leg .... it is clear, in general, everyone "speaks", even those who do not speak at all.
  10. +5
    23 October 2021 16: 35
    It is completely inappropriate to post a photograph where the cadets are taking the military oath. With the same success it is possible and "the Russian national football team sings the Anthem" ...
    Do military personnel and footballers have anything to do with mate? The most direct! Moreover, if the first ones sound it to the place or not, then the second ones call it telepathically right in our brain - this is a different level!
    Only now, neither the taking of the oath, nor the performance of the Anthem do not relate to swearing in any way, at this moment no one even thinks swearing!
    As for the subject: Gorbachev was a swearing man, he allowed himself ... Yeltsin no, no. But it would be better, instead of both, there was Pushkin. Or Shnurov. Because such selected scoundrels, but two in a row - as we have survived. And after all, the paradox, Yeltsin himself did not swear (in public), and is already dead, but when you remember it, he causes a surge of shameful thoughts and words, even from there a person can inspire us!
  11. +1
    23 October 2021 16: 47
    It would be better to deal with hazing. And then again, about the last cases, silence. The author wants to say that mate is normal. It is not normal. In ordinary society, not in the army. Especially with women and children. And then we wonder how young people talk. This is how they talk, the way they talk at home.
    1. +1
      23 October 2021 17: 33
      Quote: From Tomsk
      It would be better to deal with hazing

      It has not been in its pure form for a long time. All hazing is now with a national touch, community. hi
  12. +2
    23 October 2021 16: 51
    something folk is very difficult to eradicate
  13. +6
    23 October 2021 16: 56
    The founder of the Agatha Christie group, Vadim Samoilov, harshly criticized the LGBT community and liberals during the Ural Music Night festival at the Yeltsin Center.

    “There is greyhound bullshit here, oh (about the representatives of the LGBT community - ed.), But I am sick that we don’t have this bullshit, which is so liberal. By the way, hello to the Yeltsin Center: my dears, we are here for you ***. We perform here, yes, you provide us with venues here. We know what you are doing. You are engaged in anti-state counterpropaganda, ”the musician said from the stage, greeting those who advocate“ a united and strong Russia ”.

    Samoilov told Podyem that he would not apologize for the content of his speech.

    “The hit is justified. I think what I said. What he said in a form that might be superfluous is then questions to the Leningrad group, they also swear on the stage. I am ready to apologize for the mate to the audience. And for everything else - no. In fact, I said everything correctly, ”said the musician.


    Man !!! SUPPORT !!!
  14. +1
    23 October 2021 16: 57
    Filthy Mozhaika in the first photo. place. Especially the base is finished in Lehtusi
  15. -1
    23 October 2021 17: 03
    Oh, now the mods will frolic, they will stick warnings to everyone!
  16. 0
    23 October 2021 17: 05
    The Japanese also have swearing in their language.
    And the meaning is the same as ours, and the words and phrases are flamboyant, not like the amers.
    https://konnichiwa.ru/page/3910/

    But at the same time, the Japanese are reputed to be one of the very polite nations. Apparently the whole question is on what occasion to use the mat.
  17. +4
    23 October 2021 17: 06
    From experience, the mat serves as a non-chemical pain reliever. Allows you to keep a stiff upper lip while a regular promedol is delivered. winked
    1. 0
      23 October 2021 22: 52
      and this is also true, but I prefer either to myself, or through clenched teeth!
  18. +7
    23 October 2021 17: 21
    Vyacheslav Vedenin became a world legend at the 72 Olympics in Sapporo thanks to his two races.

    At thirty, he was to be one of the last to run, and a blizzard began before he entered the track. A Japanese journalist standing next to him asked “how is snow like to run?”. Vedenin answered, ran and won Olympic gold.

    The next day, a Japanese newspaper came out with the headline "Soviet skier said 'dahusim' and won the Olympics."

    The legendary athlete has died. Rest in peace.
  19. +1
    23 October 2021 17: 47
    Love and Motherland (mat and army) are one! (C)

    Eh! I remember! Here are two episodes from a personal one.
    Episode one.
    December 1981 (can anyone remember what day) 30, KSibVO training ground near the town of Yurga, Kemerovo region. Taking the Oath. All night before, the young were cleaning the parade ground in the field on which the action was to take place. Frost minus XNUMXC, tents! One "Neva" (who does not know the razor blade) per compartment, no hot water, field uniform, winter earflaps, jackets, wadded trousers, felt boots, mittens, machine gun. I read the text, the receiving captain congratulates: Serve the soldier za *** so that Mom would not worry!
    Episode two.
    Ibid, late summer 1983. Exercises of a motorized rifle regiment with a crossing over the Tom River, during which the BMP-1 was drowned (it tried to swim by swimming, but there were no troops in it and there was no one to control whether the rear doors to the DO were closed, and the control lamps at the mechanized drive did not work, or, In general, in the middle of the river, due to the accumulated water in the DO, the BMP lost its buoyancy ... Not everything, one of the tanks of the tank battalion of our regiment, stalled at the bottom of the river, the same somewhere in the middle. The crew, using individual means of rescue, left the car and was picked up by a sapper boat (they were directing a ferry for non-floating equipment). turn off the transmission, this is another saga! So I was present at the so-called communication of Lieutenant General Kazak (deputy commander of the district for combat training) overseeing the course of the exercise, with the command of our regiment. the bottom of his phrases, actually literally: "-I am in the Army from a young age (he started from the Suvorov School)! I'm here, what! Did you come to watch your pi *** dance? "And further on the topic.
    ps Is it possible that the admin Anastasia will delete the comments for the veiled mats again?
    1. +2
      24 October 2021 11: 48
      Quote: motorized infantryman
      Here is one of his phrases, actually literally: "-I'm in the Army from a young age (he started from the Suvorov School)! I'm here, what! Have you come to watch your pi *** dance?" Well and further on the topic.
      ps Is it possible that the admin Anastasia will delete the comments for the veiled mats again?

      "I went a difficult path from a sperm to a captain of the first rank, and therefore I will be short. A little for a pizza and a kukan!" (C) A. Pokrovsky "Gena-Janissary". For moderators - the quote is from the officially published book, the collection of stories "72 meters".
  20. +4
    23 October 2021 18: 06
    No really! Nafik, nafik! Recently there was an article "about the army mat"! I got into this business ... "I discussed it" ... gave examples taken from the Internet (of course, veiled as much as possible!) And ... received a penalty from a lady-moderator! (Well, whoever is with penalties, he should know her ... she loves ethno business!) E-my! What the hell then was it to open this topic !? If only as a last resort, they would have deleted the "very disliked" words ... but they weren’t smart enough for that? ... So ... Nafik! Nafik! "We have already discussed"! "We swam ... we know!" ...
  21. +1
    23 October 2021 18: 29
    Mat gives speech an emotional color. Like spices to food. After all, it would never occur to anyone to eat spices with a tablespoon? Pepper, for example.
    So it is with obscenities.
    Although, there are individual individuals ... :)
  22. BAI
    +3
    23 October 2021 18: 41
    What a bullshit. The army (thank God) is a community of men. Guys have always swore and will swear in extreme situations. It’s bad that extreme is carried over to everyday life.
  23. 0
    23 October 2021 18: 57
    Excuse me ... ... I started reading the article with the style and intonation of a wild ensign ... Halfway through, I could no longer read. )))))
  24. -2
    23 October 2021 18: 59
    How many horns did Pushkin instruct? And how many did you shoot in duels? Got to work.
  25. 0
    23 October 2021 19: 42
    I remember that after a certain period of service, the letters of comrades home to their parents were re-read, just in case, so that there would be no embarrassment.
  26. 0
    23 October 2021 20: 30
    - request Since it is impossible to get rid of the obscenity, it is necessary to streamline this phenomenon ... Develop, approve and use a course of familiarization with the rules of using Russian extreme literature!
    - In this case, as in any other, inept use spoils everything ... Mat must be appropriate, energetic, virtuoso! laughing
  27. +2
    23 October 2021 20: 43
    A wonderful person and competent specialist Valentin Semyonovich MAMONTOV, who began his officer career as aircraft technicians in the Korean War, said: you can consider yourself an engineer only if you are able to explain to a fighter called up from Central Asia the work of a complex radar station, automated control system, etc. with the help of ONE MATERIAL WORD AND THE UNION "AND" SO THAT HE WILL UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING AND WILL COMFORTABLY SERVICE AIRCRAFT.
    Neither reduce nor add.

    But when a colonel or general swears vilely and publicly to a subordinate officer, knowing that he will not be answered, this is disgustingly unworthy for them.
    The correct answer in the same obscene language works very well on the boorish chief and especially on fellow officers and is remembered. But this, alas, is so rare that it is included in army folklore and legends.
  28. +1
    23 October 2021 22: 14
    I was fortunate enough to serve among the brilliant naval officers. And it was a checkmate! Unheard of by me neither before nor after. Not frequent, restrained, but sophisticated, ambiguous, subtle, with deep connotations, without dirt, accurately reflecting the situation and prompting the right action.
    1. 0
      23 October 2021 22: 56
      What does Naval Culture mean !!!!
  29. +1
    23 October 2021 22: 31
    In the library, in my home in my native village, there must and still be a book - a collection of stories "The Sea Soul" by Leonid Sobolev. And one of them tells how the captain of the ship re-educated the boatswain so that he would not use foul language. They made a bet who would swear longer without repeating. The commander won and the boatswain had to refuse.
    "Eh, Comrade Commander, it's nice to hear from you." :)
    We, the Bulgarians, are not sickly swearing either. But the Serbs are simply unbeatable.
  30. +1
    23 October 2021 23: 35
    "Abuse is a legacy of slavery, humiliation, disrespect for human dignity, someone else's and our own, and our Russian abuse is especially ... In Russian abuse from below there is despair, bitterness and, above all, slavery without hope, without an outcome. But the same abuse. from above, through the nobility's throat, was an expression of class superiority, slave-owning honor, inviolability of the foundations ... "(L. Trotsky" The Struggle for the Culture of Speech ")
    1. 0
      24 October 2021 10: 14
      One thing is not clear how Ushakov, Suvorov and Napoleon, without abusive parting words to their soldiers, before the attack, managed to win battles.
  31. 0
    24 October 2021 11: 41
    I do not know how anyone, but I watched the film "DMB" 7 times and know the quotes almost by heart, but the phrase of the Wild Warrant: "An army without a mat, like a soldier without a machine gun" is not in the film. In the film, obscenities sounded only in two places: in the scene on the steamer, when the ensign was running with the steering wheel torn off and shouting "....... and!" "Happen, ichthyander, ...... s!" There was no more obscenity in the film, but according to the script it was in place. Perhaps this phrase sounded in the TV series, which was filmed based on "DMB", but there is no such phrase in the "DMB" movie itself.
  32. 0
    24 October 2021 13: 40
    Quote: Flood

    The "global difference" is just something else!
    Alexander Sergeevich was a Master of the Russian word. And if he allowed himself to swear, it was out of mischief.
    Our situation is completely different. Matom began to talk. To speak mate as in another, non-Russian alternative language.
    At the same time, forgetting what is not even artistic - God is with her, with artistic! - ordinary Russian colloquial speech.
    PS
    came to mind
    those who do not know how to communicate in Russian, but do it with the help of swear words, are quite worthy of being considered representatives of not the Russian nation, but of an obscene nationality.

    Quote: Kayala
    Well, yes, you are right. Nowadays young people do not use foul language, they speak it. Girls are especially different in this regard, they swear worse than guys. To be honest, the modern company of young people disgusts me. No, I'm not a prude, and I myself sometimes express myself three-story, but at least I do it on business, and do not use obscenities while passing by.

    Quote: Sea Cat
    Unfortunately, you are absolutely right, general illiteracy, lack of elementary culture (not only speech) and spiritual poverty. But the "swearing" of the Russian language did not begin "yesterday", for example, the limiters brought swearing as colloquial speech to Moscow. I remember that in the late seventies I accidentally ended up in the apartment of such a family and was just shocked - they quite calmly used obscene words in front of their children and not as swearing, but as spoken language. I am not a prude, for example, I can hardly imagine the army without a mat, I served myself, but in a family, and even with children, this is just bestiality.

    Everyone is right, I can only add that swearing from minors on the street (they say - at school too) has become almost a vile norm in about the last 10-15 years. I'm walking recently, he and she (12-13 years old) are standing, talking. The kind of ordinary urban teenagers, she (!) Through the word (!) Throws obscenities (apparently so talking). I flared up and yelled at her, not using, of course, military-oral speech. They were at first taken aback, and then "madam" declared: "You will not do anything to us!" And really, I won't do anything, call the police and what's next?
    As a result, some adults speak obscenely at home, and children - on the street. At the heart of everything that happens are 2 whales: lack of culture and impunity ...
  33. +2
    24 October 2021 15: 41
    I think that everyone has already understood why the mate will never disappear, and not only from army life. I am too lazy to re-read all the comments, I hope that all the reasons have already been studied and disputed. But I will express my opinion, in spite of the fact that nobody else's opinion is of any interest here.
    Yes, swearing will not disappear, but will become an ersatz language for everyday communication, since the ordinary Russian language, "great, mighty, truthful and free", is gradually disappearing.
    Is it possible to live in the army without a mat? It is possible, but for this you need to be fluent in Russian, and those who speak it are fewer and fewer.
  34. +2
    24 October 2021 16: 04
    The worst thing for the people of Russia is mate in the army, and the rest is all top class. An old anecdote about Vovochka, a first-grade student. Little Johnny sits at his desk and his thoughts overwhelm him. Masha does not give, Lilka is showing off. Then the teacher asks Little Johnny - how much is two plus two. Eh Marya Ivanovna, I would have your worries.
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  36. +1
    24 October 2021 17: 45
    somewhere I read that in battle, all the pilots were swearing, ours, the Germans, the Americans, the British. only the Japanese died in silence ...
    but, in general, mate is good as an expression of emotions. ah, for a bunch of words, it went ...
  37. 0
    24 October 2021 20: 57
    I know three languages: Russian, obscene and command, which, however, is the same))
  38. +1
    25 October 2021 08: 42
    "Sometimes they use"? !!! laughing laughing Son, have you even been there? They speak it ...
  39. 0
    25 October 2021 09: 33
    It is possible to negotiate the protocols of negotiations, primarily radio exchange, as is done by aviation, otherwise mutual understanding will be violated. In all other cases, they will express themselves as they can.
  40. +1
    25 October 2021 10: 50
    Almost none of us, hitting the finger with a hammer, does not say "pancake".

    laughing
  41. 0
    25 October 2021 16: 49
    "What are the locksmiths, such are the Caesars ..."
  42. +1
    26 October 2021 03: 20
    Swearing is the only thing that remains of what identifies me as a Russian ... nationality was removed from the passport ... we will soon be all without nationality, without history ...
  43. 0
    27 October 2021 07: 55
    it is impossible to prohibit mate in the army. in battle, the command given by the mate is 3 times shorter and reaches 2 times faster. we will lose combat readiness ...
    the problem of the army is not in the use of non-normative vocabulary, but in low combat readiness, poor equipment - the rest are side problems
  44. 0
    27 October 2021 07: 57
    Quote: Maks2GTI
    When analyzing World War II, American military historians discovered a very interesting fact. Namely, in a sudden clash with Japanese forces, the Americans, as a rule, made decisions much faster - and, as a result, even superior enemy forces won. Having investigated this pattern, scientists have come to the conclusion that the average word length for Americans is 5,2 characters, while for the Japanese it is 10,8. Consequently, it takes 56% less time to issue orders, which plays an important role in a short battle. For the sake of "interest", they analyzed Russian speech - and it turned out that the word length in Russian is 7,2 characters per word (on average), but in critical situations the Russian-speaking command staff switches to profanity - and the word length is reduced to 3,2 (!) characters in a word. This is due to the fact that some phrases and even phrases are replaced with one word. For example, the phrase is given:

    32nd - I order to immediately destroy the enemy tank firing at our positions
    32nd - fuck this x..yu!

    an excellent example of the indispensability of the Russian speech!
  45. 0
    27 October 2021 10: 07
    Mat is exactly the same property of any people as its poets and writers. It's just being misused. mate in the army is used to quickly transfer information, to motivate personnel. Briefly, intelligibly and, at the same time, figuratively. How should the commander explain to a couple of intelligent subordinates: the need to quickly fulfill his order, the consequences of their wrong actions in the assessment of their intellectual abilities by the team and their superiors, as well as the expediency of transferring their genetic material into the future ?! How to explain to the average circus, who spent most of his time in civilian life with beer and a computer, that he must quickly move the box of cartridges to a distance of 1 km, as quickly as possible and at the same time not let down his comrades in arms, given that he is heavier than a bottle of beer and never lifted ... try to motivate the boy from the city of Bor to run up the hill when 25 kg of all kinds of military gadgets hang on him for fun. And so ............... briefly and intelligibly. Mat is our strength.
  46. 0
    21 December 2021 21: 15
    As if in other areas of life there is no mat. Amused
  47. 0
    16 March 2022 13: 14
    https://pressa-tof.livejournal.com/96205.html
    My friend in West-81 was reprimanded by the division chief of communications - "For using a swear word on the air NOT FOR SUGGESTATION, BUT FOR CONNECTING WORDS IN A SENTENCE." (c)
    You can believe it, you can not - but if you start driving in circles in the forest, then cursing the goblin helps quite well. I walked in circles for two hours, covered it "in two crosses and three holes" - and after 5 minutes I left.