US refused to attend Moscow meeting with Afghan Taliban delegation

Moscow hosts a meeting of the "Moscow format" on the situation in Afghanistan, attended by representatives of ten countries of the region and a delegation of the Taliban (the movement is banned in Russia as a terrorist movement). The United States refused to participate in the negotiations.

A delegation of the Taliban movement * arrived in Moscow, which included high-ranking representatives of the new Afghan government, still serving as ministers with the prefix "acting", members of the Taliban political council * and even the new mayor of Kabul. The delegation is headed by the official representative of the Foreign Ministry of the unrecognized Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (IEA) Abdul-Kahar Balkhi.

In addition to the Russian side and the Taliban *, delegations from India, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, China, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are participating in the negotiations. As already reported, the Americans refused to come to Moscow. According to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, this is the second time that the United States has avoided a meeting on Afghanistan within the framework of the "expanded three", which, in addition to Russia and the United States, includes China and Pakistan.

The Russian minister has already held a meeting with a Taliban delegation, during which many issues were raised regarding social policy and the observance of the rights and freedoms of Afghan citizens.

Later, within the framework of the meeting, the issue of international recognition of the Taliban government as a legitimate authority and provision of economic assistance to Afghanistan was raised.

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[Terenin]

US refused to attend Moscow meeting with Afghan Taliban delegation

Good news

[alex neym_2]

Left, so gone. Obosr ... have done it, then have done it: and what kind of relationship with a stinker ...

[hrych]

Quote: aleks neym_2

what a relationship with a stinker ..

tooting

[Trotil42]

Done? Don't be ridiculous .. They left and made hemorrhoids to all the listed countries ..destabilized the region .. ceased to protect the interests of these countries ... and the Taliban dictate conditions .. therefore all these countries, having swallowed a ton of shit, are forced to sit with the Taliban at the same table .. ISIS is sniffing ..

[Civil]

It is not at all necessary to drag terrorists to Moscow, it reminds me of Yeltsin's negotiations with Maskhadov. It was possible to talk in Dushanbe too. And from us, for example, the Deputy Minister of Defense. So that accents are highlighted.

[Gardamir]

Good news

Are you glad that the Kremlin is cooperating with terrorists?

[Cowbra]

Talking. Collaborated - just tripods. In questions, for example. getaways

[Machete]

The Taliban are in power in Afghanistan. The situation in the region now completely depends on the Taliban. And the fight against ISIS too. You will have to negotiate with them in any case. And not only to us. and to all countries around them. What is already starting and happening.
Or do you want to start bombing these terrorists on their territory again?
To bring our army there.
Or get bored and have nothing to do with bad terrorist uncles and lose all leverage in the region. Americans, now, they have abandoned everything, they do not want to talk.

[Gardamir]

Or do you want

And how long has anyone condemned the so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? Yes Yes. it's different

[Machete]

Oh, you don't know about political expediency and state interests.
the same Americans will not let you lie.

[Gardamir]

about political expediency

This is what I understand. I would like the current authorities to remember this.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Gardamir

Or do you want

And how long has anyone condemned the so-called Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? Yes Yes. it's different

Of course another. Why don't we mention other pacts? Faith won't allow?

[alystan]

Ha ha ha, because they are horned animals with a beard, or rather they don’t remember nichrome, or rather they cannot memorize, rather there is no memory, or perhaps it is not enough for everything, i.e. for a lot, and to be absolutely precise, they are still bastards and remembered only the last line, because they are not there ...)))

[Flank]

So the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact was condemned by the enemies of the people - the liberals.

[syndicalist]

If a cannibal manages to establish a state, then for the whole world he immediately becomes a persona of grata.

[Terenin]

Quote: Gardamir

Good news

Are you glad that the Kremlin is cooperating with terrorists?

No need to juggle. Russia is acting within the framework of the instructions of the UN Security Council to end the bloodshed in Afghanistan.
Their activity on the territory of Russia is still prohibited.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Terenin

No need to juggle. Russia is acting within the framework of the instructions of the UN Security Council to end the bloodshed in Afghanistan.

Join. And before giving an answer to the question: to cooperate or not to cooperate with the Taliban, it is necessary to answer another: do we need Afghanistan or not? Do we need peace in Tajikistan and Uzbekistan or not? If you do not begin to exert their influence on the Taliban now, after a time when there will be absolutely nothing to eat, they will go to bow to the n-s.
PS Nicholas Maduro said: "For peace, unity, independence of our country, I am ready to speak even with the devil."

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Gardamir

Good news

Are you glad that the Kremlin is cooperating with terrorists?

That is, the fact that mattresses have repeatedly hobnobbed with the Taliban in Doha does not bother you at all from the word, but the fact that negotiations were held in Moscow, how bad is it?
And yet, yes, not one with the Kremlin, and to be more precise, then ...

In addition to the Russian side and the Taliban *, delegations from India, Iran, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, China, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are participating in the negotiations.

The fact that the American side refused to participate in these negotiations once again confirms their rotten nature, since at the moment they are also persistently scratching at the doors of the negotiators, with the exception of China and Iran, in order to locate their bases on their territory.

[Gardamir]

That is, the fact that mattresses have repeatedly hovered with the Taliban in Doha does not bother you at all from the word

Absolutely. Do you care if the neighbor's wife sleeps with anyone else besides his wife. The main thing is that your wife is faithful to you.
And then this double standard. If you are already carrying on conversations, then remove this prefix "prohibited in Russia".

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Gardamir

That is, the fact that mattresses have repeatedly hovered with the Taliban in Doha does not bother you at all from the word

Absolutely. Do you care if the neighbor's wife sleeps with anyone else besides his wife. The main thing is that your wife is faithful to you.
And then this double standard. If you are already carrying on conversations, then remove this prefix "prohibited in Russia".

Why remove this attachment? This status is determined by the UN resolution and has not yet been canceled, and we, as you know, are supporters of the observance of international law, so this prefix will continue to be present. The prefix is ​​not the point, the point is that the Kabulis have recently been the only political force in Afghanistan.
PS- and yes, the analogy with wives is somehow not entirely successful - it remains unclear why in your case, behind-the-scenes meetings of Americans with the Taliban is the norm, and an open meeting of the Taliban with representatives of 10 countries is a "double standard".

[volodimer]

Really ambiguous news.
On the one hand, I agree that in order to stabilize the situation in the region, some kind of communication with the Taliban *, as with the real power in Afghanistan, is necessary. And the absence of the United States from the negotiations is a positive moment: they will not muddy the waters.
On the other hand, if the conspiracy theory is correct and the United States merged Afghanistan with the Taliban * after discussing all this long ago in Doha, then their absence from the meeting in Moscow is quite understandable. And this is no longer a very good sign. After all, then we are negotiating blindly.
But we have little choice, either such negotiations, or complete removal and loss of any influence on the situation. Of course, there are also special services and an extreme version of the Ministry of Defense (there was no desire to repeat), but this is all much worse and more expensive than diplomacy.
But * this is just a reminder that "let him know * hiding in ambush, we are on the alert, we are for * follow "

[Denis812]

The United States has repeatedly negotiated with the Taliban. Israel has repeatedly negotiated with Hamas. Russia has repeatedly negotiated with Chechen fighters. Great Britain has repeatedly negotiated with the IRA.
Why is it impossible to negotiate with the Taliban right now?

[Hoffmann]

Quote: Terenin

US refused to attend Moscow meeting with Afghan Taliban delegation

Good news

I think so too! Something did not go according to the plan of the State Department again and it pleases ..
Now some "tovaischi" will raise a howl, as usual

[Terenin]

Quote: Hoffmann

I think so too! Something did not go according to the plan of the State Department again and it pleases ..

Yes. Incompetence in assessing the international situation and assessing forces, and unwillingness to recognize multipolarity.

[tralflot1832]

Who are you? I am the groom! Then cross it out! International diplomatic practice.

[Flooding]

Video from the RBC YouTube channel

Opening speech by the host from approximately 14:10

[tralflot1832]

Plus ours, with the approval of the Taliban *, broadcast to the whole world.

[Teador]

Taliban Interior Minister gave money to families of suicide bombers and promised them land

[Nafanya from the sofa]

And * (why) did they invite Americans at all? They cowardly fled from Afgan, so there is nothing to talk to them about.

[Yngvar]

Just fuck it! They knew that they would not come ... Yes, and to show that amers were out of order!

[askort154]

The United States refused to participate in the negotiations.

And this is understandable. It is bad to speak with a boxing mouthpiece in your mouth. And without her, it's dumb.

[Asad]

Have you already forgotten about the terrorist organization?

[Bomb]

This is different =)

[Yngvar]

Nobody has forgotten anything!
There is a country, there is a government! Yes, that's it - the Taliban! There are no others!
Recognition - non-recognition by a "terrorist organization" is a matter of practice, as they will show themselves ...
In the same Afghanistan, we negotiated with local "spirits" (with the same Masud, by no means with a "flat sidekick") about passing through the gullies without a "fight", and the war did not stop ...

[Free wind]

then it is not necessary to say that the whole world is angry with us. if in the friends of the bandits have an organization banned throughout the world.

[Egoza]

Quote: Free Wind

then it is not necessary to say that the whole world is angry with us. if in the friends of the bandits have an organization banned throughout the world.

1. Not the whole world.
2. Previously, they were called terrorists, then this name will be removed if they behave decently
3. Since we accept the Americans at a "high level", then the Taliban can be. It remains to be seen which of them are more terrorists. IMHO

[Rusticolus]

1. I would even say an absolute minority of the world's population.
2. Luftwaffe over there flies, and nothing like that.
3. Very well known. When and to whom did the Taliban invade a foreign country next time?

[Yngvar]

You forget that a bad peace is better than a good war! But you still have to negotiate! At least with the Taliban, at least with the "anti-Taliban" ... In the meantime, there are only them, as you write "druzhbany"!
Under the "belly" of Russia is Kazakhstan, with which we have open borders, and indeed ALL of Central Asia and the East.
Where will they go later, to the States, to England, to Europe? Or "gut" Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, with an aim to the north?
The best option to sit at home is not to be dashing, while it is quiet! As long as no one comes to an agreement with them, and they want to find out their position, decisions will come later!

[Ross xnumx]

The Russian minister has already held meeting with the Taliban delegationduring which many questions were raised, relating to social policy and the observance of the rights and freedoms of citizens of Afghanistan.

How interesting! And where do we go about this:

Please note that the following extremist and terrorist organizations are banned in the Russian Federation: Jehovah's Witnesses, National Bolshevik Party, Right Sector, Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), Islamic State (IS, ISIL, DAISH) , "Jabhat Fath al-Sham", "Jabhat al-Nusra", "Al-Qaeda", "UNA-UNSO", Taliban, "Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People", "Misanthropic Division", "Brotherhood" of Korchinsky, "Trident named after Stepan Bandera ”,“ Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists ”(OUN).

Or have all the issues related to social policy and the observance of the rights and freedoms of citizens of the Russian Federation already been resolved?
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Later, within the framework of the meeting, the question was raised international recognition of the Taliban government as legal authorities and providing economic assistance to Afghanistan.

Now we have to announce the status of Abdul Ghani Baradar and determine the amount of gratuitous receipts for Kabul?

[Asad]

For a tribute came, you will not pay, we will arrange ,, Kuzka's mother ,,!

[Alexander Seklitsky]

most it is not disgusting from the delirium that you carry. Although if from the skakuas it is clear

[Asad]

It is written, they came for "economic aid" Who will provide it, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan? And if it is not, then they are not to blame. China has its own hemorrhoids in the economy, so we will pay off, as with Chechnya. Skakuas itself.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

And that apart from Russia, there is no one at the meeting? China, Pakistan not? And the fact that they need recognition and withdrawal in the first place, you do not take into account?

[tank66]

once - not Talibas

[vitvit123]

When a lady slides the stagecoach, the stagecoach goes faster ...

[Cowbra]

And before very much even met with the Taliban, forgetting. that they were called terrorists - and at a very official level

[Prisoner]

The Taliban scared them great. "

[demo]

Moscow hosts a meeting of the "Moscow format" on the situation in Afghanistan, attended by representatives of ten countries of the region and a delegation of the Taliban (the movement is banned in Russia as a terrorist movement).
We, I mean Russia, constantly blame the "collective West" for using the "double standards" policy.
But how can you sit down at the negotiating table with representatives of an organization that has been declared terrorist by its own court?
If mentioning this organization without referring to its "status" led to huge fines for those media outlets that allowed such omissions?
So the Russian leadership is no better than those who initiated such a cunning policy.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Well, you probably know better from Square, yeah

[demo]

Ottel? With a yaka so square?

[Borisych]

The Taliban drove out the ancestors. The cowboys' hats fell off, and the older one was kicked by a mare. In the crown. And where are the sultry mullahs from Aki-Paki-stan? Something inaudibly familiar screams. Pilot Rutskoi knows what I'm talking about. A curtain.

[_simply]

Still, they were present ... After such a reputation cataclysm, they'd better turn down their ardor. Although, they are now trying to squeeze into Central Asia. But whether they can. Russia is now especially keenly watching that region.

[singless]

the creator abandoned his brainchild

[alystan]

It is right that the Turks and Qataris were not invited, so it would be just as correct not to see amers among the truly interested persons, and most importantly from the countries neighboring Afghanistan.

According to the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, this is the second time that the United States has avoided a meeting on Afghanistan within the framework of the "expanded troika," which, in addition to Russia and the United States, includes China and Pakistan.

Looks like initially the "troika" consisted of no star-striped ones, so that one who refuses to participate in the work three times can already be painlessly "removed" like a purulent abscess.
As Comrade Saakhov, the hero of the unforgettable and brilliant Soviet actor Vladimir Etush, said in the comedy "Prisoner of the Caucasus":

- Well nothing. In a day she will get hungry, in a week she will be yearning, and in a month she will become smart.
Nothing, we'll wait.
- Will wait.
- Will wait.

[Alkovod]

USA refused to participate in the Moscow meeting

This is a key word and something of an achievement. Yes, of course, our spirits crumbled a lot, but in a real battle we also have a lot of them in Afghanistan (namely in a real clash ..)
Spirits were a serious enemy, with the support of the United States and Pakistan ... But we are remembered and will be remembered if something happens again. We not only fought, but above all tried to build and train (a huge number of students in the Union) This was the main thing, but Gorbach, etc. etc.

This is how we live we chew cakes

[syndicalist]

So I do not understand - the Taliban expelled from the Russian list of terrorist organizations?

[Terenin]

Quote: syndicalist

So I do not understand - the Taliban expelled from the Russian list of terrorist organizations?

No, not excluded.
Their activity on the territory of Russia is still prohibited.
Negotiations with them are being conducted as if they came to power on the basis of the UN mandate "to end and prevent bloodshed and to resolve the situation in Afghanistan and the states bordering on it."

[Dikson]

Like everything in our country ...)) - for someone "forbidden in Russia", but for someone - quite permissible for themselves .. ., Yes? I look here already wrote: "You do not understand, this is different!" .. Of course, different .. when it comes to money and the existence of the state .. "Basayev, well, you are an intelligent person .." - remember how Chernomyrdin on the phone talked in front of the whole country? And before that, the same Basayev in Moscow taverns easily communicated with deputies and politicians .. "This is different." And so, yes .. -we are generally for world peace. From the October rulers at school ..)

[Antokha]

Everything has its time. Already a hundred times explained for the dull. The authorities called them a terrorist organization, and the authorities can remove this label. Or should she listen to our momentary opinion with you? Did the authorities promise you that this label will never be removed? Have you heard what politics is? This is the ability to extract the best for your country from any situation. Hitler and I tried to negotiate as long as possible. At the same time strengthening the defense. This is how it is done now. Well, as little ones, they cling to the words, but refuse to see the essence.

It's like the rules of the road .. - everyone is not allowed, but some - very much even possible ..))

Yes, but until recently it was possible a hundred times more of some, and not one of them sat down. The process is underway.

[Denis812]

I understand the wave of hatred on the topic of negotiations with terrorists. From a purely philistine point of view, really take them and "soak in the toilet".
But I just opened the Federal Law of July 25, 1998 N 130-FZ "On the fight against terrorism." It has Article 14. Negotiating with terrorists. In which it is NOT specified ANYWHERE that it is forbidden to negotiate with terrorists.
I fully admit that somewhere in the laws of the Russian Federation it is written that it is NOT allowed to negotiate with terrorists. If so, then I very much ask you to give me a reference to the Fa. I'll be very thankful.

[Denis812]

And then there is also the Federal Law of 06.03.2006 N 35-FZ (as amended on 26.05.2021) "On Countering Terrorism"
There is also NOT a WORD about a ban on negotiations with terrorists.

[Hypatius]

Infa 30 years old. But, it will be useful for general development. The Taliban was created with the money of the CIA in half with the Saudis. With the full support of Pak.

[komandir8]

The great benefit of the Moscow platform lies in the fact that with the participation of the chief arbiter in the region - Russia - all players can discuss and work out a common approach to prevent the destabilization of the situation in Afghanistan. Moreover, it is vitally important for Moscow and Beijing to prevent the disintegration and division of the country between neighbors and the development of a conflict between regional powers. The Kremlin reasonably fears, on the one hand, an increase in migration flows, in which emissaries of terrorist organizations may find themselves, and, on the other, direct expansion of armed militants of numerous groups already in relation to the post-Soviet republics of Central Asia. Therefore, Moscow officially comes up with a formula for the formation of a stable inclusive cabinet that would enjoy the support of all forces within the country.
Therefore, in order to reinforce its position, Russia is building up its own military presence and strengthening the interaction and coordination of the troops of the CSTO member states within the framework of a number of planned military exercises. In particular, the following maneuvers should take place in a short period: "Echelon-2021", "Search-2021", "Interaction-2021", in which the military of Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia and Belarus will be involved. The Taliban was also determined to continue a constructive dialogue and once again confirmed to everyone gathered at the meeting in Moscow that the territory of Afghanistan will not be used by anyone against third countries, primarily neighbors. But so far, few people trust the assurances of the Taliban leaders and are unlikely to believe. until the central government squeezes out or disbands all Islamist groups entrenched in the north of the country. We are talking about the Uyghur "Islamic Movement of East Turkestan", about Tajik militants from "Jamaat Ansarullah", about Uzbek extremists from the "Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan" and "Katiba imam al-Bukhari". And while they are in their places of base, there can be no question of any calmness and recognition of the government on the part of Russia.
Emomali Rahmon is also very much confused and alarmed by the popularity of the Taliban movement among ethnic Tajiks living in northern Afghanistan. And Dushanbe has nothing to oppose to this. Neither their ideological concepts, nor socio-economic alternatives. Perhaps that is why the Tajik branch of the Taliban movement has grown so quantitatively and qualitatively, which in the midst of the conflict between clergy and the government of Tajikistan even threatened to start a "liberation campaign". Rakhmon himself has territorial interests and claims with the expectation of joining large regions of Afghanistan in the future to his empire of “Greater Tajikistan”. To support his ambitions, he did not accidentally go to Paris to visit Macron, and now he is trying to enlist the support of Erdogan.
Such a multi-vector and dangerous game in Dushanbe could ultimately cost all the forces in the region very dearly and lead to a quarrel, which is what Washington is counting on. Therefore, the role of Russia as a referee and pacifier is more important here than ever. Accordingly, the "Moscow format" has become a place for the settlement of the dispute between the Taliban, who came to power in Afghanistan, and the ruling elite of Tajikistan. Let's hope that Beijing, for its part, will also actively influence Dushanbe and Kabul to prevent the worst-case scenario.

[Teador]

While in Moscow the leaders of the terrorist movement "Taliban" banned in Russia met in the "President Hotel" with officials of the Russian Foreign Ministry, their colleagues in Afghanistan presented yet another proof of "moderation" and "adequacy", destroying even the slightest remnants of the memory of that once the country had a chance to crawl out of the wild Middle Ages.

The Taliban * tracked down and killed 20-year-old Mahjabin Hakimi, one of the top female athletes in the Kabul volleyball club. Her trainer, who managed to escape, told Persian Independent that the Taliban * chopped off the girl's head and boasted pictures of the execution on social media