Right on target: during the Zapad-2021 exercises, Krasnopol guided missiles were used on a tip from drones

Unmanned aerial vehicles "Orion" and "Forpost-R" are able to find important objects deep in enemy positions, transmit coordinates and illuminate targets with a laser - the rest of the task is performed by artillerymen, inflicting effective damage with precision warheads. The Krasnopol armor-piercing projectile and the Gran 'high-explosive fragmentation mine are practically invulnerable to the air defense system: they cannot be intercepted or neutralized by means of electronic warfare.

The effectiveness of the interaction method drones with artillery units was tested in the conditions of combat missions in Syria. On December 31, 2017, militants launched a mortar attack on the Khmeimim air base. In response to the location of the aggressor, Krasnopol projectiles were sent by an unmanned aerial spotter. In the future, according to the principle of "One target - one shot", high-precision armor-piercing shells in Syria destroyed underground bunkers and other point targets.

Now the proven practice of using UAVs to help artillerymen begins to be introduced everywhere in the course of performing training tasks. So, in August this year, during the exercises of the Central Military District, camouflaged armored targets were destroyed from self-propelled howitzers "Msta-S" with the help of drones and "Krasnopolye". The shooting was carried out at a target range of 10 to 16 kilometers.

The Forpost-R Orion devices in September of this year were involved while practicing strikes with high-precision ammunition "Krasnopol" and "Gran" at the "Mulino" training ground. The flight of an armor-piercing projectile directed to the target along the laser mark is corrected with the help of rudders at the end of the trajectory. The Gran 'ammunition, designed for firing from 120-mm mortars, has a built-in laser homing head.

According to experts, the characteristics of the UAV and the use of laser technologies, coupled with the impact potential of a high-precision weapons capable of qualitatively changing the capabilities of modern artillery. The drones of the Orion and Forpost-R models can stay in the air for quite a long time, and the corrected high-precision ammunition hit right on target. With proper use, such a bundle will allow you to more effectively decide the outcome of the battle in your favor.

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[Jacket in stock]

And a hundred years have not passed.
Interestingly, if it were not for a real war, how long would our generals itch, if even according to the experience of the tok-tok war they woke up.

[jovanni]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And a hundred years have not passed.
Interestingly, if it were not for a real war, how long would our generals itch, if even according to the experience of the tok-tok war they woke up.

Yeah! In Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis gouged the Armenians with them, but here "good morning" ...

[donavi49]

By the way, Maksar adjusted the pictures for analysis here.

[Civil]

By the way, Maksar adjusted the pictures for analysis here.

Satellite images of the work of Israeli loitering munitions this. And not projectiles corrected from the UAV.

[Zaurbek]

Spike NLOS wrote ....... within 1 hour they destroyed equipment at the Armenian base

[hrych]

Feels Beyraktar on the whole head The article is not even about an unmanned spotter, but about a new application algorithm receiver artillery, where the target is not covered with multiple volleys of howitzers lined up in a row, but with one shot, from one barrel. Where cannon artillery becomes precision-guided. A projectile, albeit an adjustable one, will be an order of magnitude cheaper than rocketry, it is used from standard weapons. This is the essence of the article.

[Barberry25]

well, as it were, the application of blows by Krasnopolye to the control center from the UAV was tested in Syria ..

[hrych]

They tested it in Syria, and introduced it into wide practice during exercises. Everything is logical.

[Barberry25]

it was just extensively voiced recently, although it has been used for a long time already in exercises ... but "ahh, our stupid military men, until the bayraktar pecked, they didn't move" and other nonsense ... as usual)

[hrych]

Quote: Barberry25

it was just extensively voiced recently, although it has been used for a long time already in exercises ... but "ahh, our stupid military men, until the bayraktar pecked, they didn't move" and other nonsense ... as usual)

Agree

[Volkof]

Not used anywhere! There are no such united subunits in the troops, there are no regular structures, there are no new command structures. These are experiments, research, single time work. There is no UAV in the artillery units ... This is more window dressing. There are no implemented developments, there is no system and there is no way to apply it in real combat ... These are elements of network-centric systems, and there are no such systems for use in combined arms combat in the Russian Army ...

[hrych]

Yah? And the Mace doesn't fly? They say that the Tsar-Pharaoh began to leave the sea at night!

[bk316]

There is no UAV in the artillery units ...

Actually, it's 7 years old.
I don’t know if there are Orions, but Orlans have been used for a long time.

[Volkof]

In what ? And what does it mean to eat? Do you even understand what the conversation is about? NSH claims that the response time is close to real and is 10 minutes, although I do not believe him! Do you already have everything? I also have a UAV on the shelf and what's next? Dream on, or rather, compose ...

[bk316]

In what ? And what does it mean to eat?

I understand what I'm writing about, I'm actually an artilleryman.
NGSH said everything correctly.
And you are all wrong.
Then the pens themselves, the information was in open sources.

[Krasnodar]

The article is not even about an unmanned spotter, but about a new algorithm for the use of cannon artillery, where the target is not covered with multiple volleys of howitzers lined up in a row, but with one shot from one barrel. Where cannon artillery becomes precision-guided. A projectile, albeit an adjustable one, will be an order of magnitude cheaper than rocketry, it is used from standard weapons. This is the essence of the article.

So this was done 15 years ago by Jews in Lebanon, a couple of years ago by Turks and Russians in Syria, a year ago by Azerbaijanis in Karabakh.

[hrych]

And four years ago by the Russians in Syria And Krasnopol was adopted into service 26 years ago

On December 31, 2017, the militants staged a mortar attack on the Khmeimim airbase. In response, Krasnopol shells were sent to the place where the aggressor was deployed,

[Krasnodar]

Well, yes, if 2017, then four

[Vadim237]

It seems like the third modification of Krasnopol was used by Krasnopol M2

[Basarev]

That would be another ATGM to learn how to aim. So that the helicopter pilots do not have to hang around these terrible minutes, risking their lives ... And just jump out from behind the relief, empty the launchers and screw from there at full steam.

[I am not a robot]

they hang for 10 seconds, risking their lives like helicopter pilots with Apaches (main ATGM with laser guidance)
this can only be done on bunks

[Basarev]

That's for sure? Isn't there a third-generation ATGM, which is characterized by the fact that you do not need to hang? Somehow it is not fitting for a superpower to have such backward missiles. I have always thought that Russia is the only one in the world to use second-generation missiles, for the amusement of all progressive mankind.

[I am not a robot]

helfire is used with laser guidance (you need to "hang"), with radar is not available for the amusement of the whole world

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Basarev

That would be another ATGM to learn how to aim. So that the helicopter pilots do not have to hang around these terrible minutes, risking their lives ... And just jump out from behind the relief, empty the launchers and screw from there at full steam.

Spike has existed for a long time, is used, incl. from a helicopter

[I am not a robot]

is it possible to run several spikes at the same time for different targets

[Krasnodar]

Theoretically, yes.

[I am not a robot]

how to launch TV-guided missiles at different targets from one helicopter, who will guide them

[Krasnodar]

If he made a target marking, then Spike has a shot mode and forgot
But in principle, you launch from a helicopter, and a drone guides them - most likely this is how it should work))

[I am not a robot]

even some kind of nonsense, how will the UAV induce a spike with TV guidance
so you don't know how the spike works, but why are you answering me then

[Vadim237]

The UAV can transmit the picture and the location to the Spike operators, and the operators will launch the Spike with control over the fiber optic cable or on the principle of fire and forget.

[I am not a robot]

in this thread, the commentator above wrote
[quote Here's another ATGM to learn how to aim. So that the helicopter pilots do not have to hang around these terrible minutes, risking their lives ... And just jump out from behind the relief, empty the launchers and screw from there at full steam.] [/ Quote]
that is, fire all the missiles and leave, how can a spike be like that?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Janerobot

how the uav will spike with TV guidance

Using machine vision. Few people noticed that many GOS produced by Israeli arms companies are electro-optical and / or combined with electro-optics. At the same time, they do not require an operator.
The trick is that Israel has gone very far in machine learning and AI. Israeli startups are at the heart of a huge chunk of cutting-edge digital products, from Tesla's autopilot to Google's self-learning algorithms.

Quote: Janerobot

that is, fire all the missiles and leave, how can a spike be like that?

Even more.
Helicopter pilots don't even have to "jump out of the terrain."
The spike can be directed after launching from cover, and with the help of one / the first missile, distribute targets out of sight for the entire salvo.

[I am not a robot]

let's not fantasize, about something that is not
the spike can be induced after launch from cover with preliminary target detection, and how you will detect and distribute targets, having 10 seconds of flight in the target area, I understand the Israeli urapatriot (hurray hurray), but why think about it like that

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Janerobot

let's not fantasize

Would you bet your life on being "fantasy"?

Quote: Janerobot

and how you will detect and distribute targets with 10 seconds of flight in the target area

How did you decide that the human operator will detect and distribute targets? There is a special algorithm for this in the "capture after launch" mode. The rocket is launched in autosearch and auto-lock mode, with automatic target distribution.
A similar technology "hunting in a pack" existed on the Soviet anti-ship missiles 50 years ago.
The process of miniaturization of technologies made it possible, after decades, to implement this in ATGM-level missiles.
The only drawback due to which this mode is practically not used is the overrun of missiles, since they aim at any equipment, including those that are not important, and do not work on buildings.
The Azerbaijanis did it easier, they simply memorized the location of one or two nearest targets, next to the target, and so with each launch, for 10 seconds - with a slide. Try it yourself:

At 0:11 seconds, this is clearly visible.

Quote: Janerobot

I understand the Israeli urapatriot (hooray-hooray), but why come up with that

Don't look for your reflection in others.

[I am not a robot]

let's not pathos, but what you write while it's current your fantasies
this UAV Harop is launched in the search mode, the spike is launched on a specific target, the same ATGM, the rocket itself cannot search for targets and take them for auto-capture, that's why come up with
you yourself at least watch the video that you posted, what will you find there and remember what nonsense you are
for 11 seconds nothing is visible, and then arrival, how will you conduct reconnaissance and distribution of targets there
Why is it bad to be an Israeli patriot, I didn't understand your idea

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Janerobot

let's not pathos, but what you write while it's current your fantasies

Your name is not Thomas by chance?

Quote: Janerobot

the rocket itself cannot search for targets and take them for auto-capture, that's why come up with

This can.

Quote: Janerobot

at least watch the video you posted yourself, what will you find and remember there

I understood that you decided to turn on "Vanya" and pretend that you see nothing and understand nothing.
All the best, I don’t argue with demagogues.

[Krasnodar]

Communication channels are not necessary for the launched one))

[Trapp1st]

shells "Krasnopol" used on a tip from drones

It is finished!

[sen]

The Krasnopol armor-piercing projectile and the Gran 'high-explosive fragmentation mine are practically invulnerable to the air defense system: they cannot be intercepted or neutralized by means of electronic warfare.

The shells are difficult, but you can intercept them. For example, there are 35mm shrapnel shells. But drones are very vulnerable. We need to create systems for their protection now.

[Zaurbek]

How are they vulnerable? An outpost flew into Israel once, shot down and did not shoot down ....... and not every tank has air defense ... And it can direct from a safe distance

[Pivot]

What is an armor-piercing shell Krasnopol ????

[Zaurbek]

Can they direct bombs and corr? or only artillery shells?

[Vadim237]

The plane itself directs the bombs - but everything that is suspended under the UAV is directed by the UAV itself.

[Zaurbek]

No ... the bombs are being planted by advanced aircraft controllers.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It's high time, many of our "partners" have been using it for a long time.

The usefulness and effectiveness of such tactics has been obvious for a long time, although now they have begun to use it in our country.

The same must be done with missiles, including anti-ship missiles. And for this we need both UAVs and aircraft / UAV DLRO.

Then you can sleep more calmly.

[Vadim237]

There are special over-the-horizon radars and satellite guidance for anti-ship missiles for detecting ships.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

How do you determine with the help of the radar what kind of ships are beyond the horizon?

They can also just throw traps in the form of radar reflectors.

The radar is good, but the UAV is needed to quickly clarify what kind of targets it is and, if necessary, strike accurately and on target.

UAVs are now even allowed from the ship, and even more so from the shore.

[yfast]

pulg en kinvitorp ilsE

[Skipper]

And why did the army forget about the excellent adjustable \ guided 240 mm mine 1K113
Daredevil for 2C4 Tulip? There, too, if the khan hits everything and everyone ... so she is not a small 152 mm ... but the caliber of almost a heavy cruiser ...

[I am not a robot]

so no one forgot

[Vadim237]

It needs to be changed to a new one, since it is morally outdated for 40 years, whatever one may say, and the firing range no longer rolls for such a mine.

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Jovanni

Quote: Jacket in stock

And a hundred years have not passed.
Interestingly, if it were not for a real war, how long would our generals itch, if even according to the experience of the tok-tok war they woke up.

Yeah! In Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis gouged the Armenians with them, but here "good morning" ...

Quote: Volkof

Not used anywhere! There are no such united subunits in the troops, there are no regular structures, there are no new command structures. These are experiments, research, single time work. There is no UAV in the artillery units ... This is more window dressing. There are no implemented developments, there is no system and there is no way to apply it in real combat ... These are elements of network-centric systems, and there are no such systems for use in combined arms combat in the Russian Army ...

Alas, no matter how the "urakals" may come out in boasting and fraud, reality is described by the phrase "slowly and sadly" ...

[svoit]

Quote: Hagen

Even with Ukraine, such a number is not a fact that it will pass.

Well, if such UAVs can be shot down only with the help of BUK, S-300, then this is still bearable, there are not so many of them. (besides, they (like electronic warfare) may well be suppressed by reactive artillery). The main thing is the invulnerability of such UAVs for small air defense systems (MANPADS, Wasps, Arrows, Torah, Pantsiri ...)