The end of manned space exploration

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The end of manned space exploration

It makes no sense to list all the vicissitudes of the space race, they have long been known and are still a kind of symbol of their states. Space has long become the face of the powers that have implemented their programs; it is difficult to imagine Russia without Gagarin and the United States without Armstrong. Space is a symbol of power, industrial and intellectual, space is prestige, and in general, the space race is an accident.

More precisely, it is not even an accident, but a by-product of the arms race. Both they and we are trying to construct the absolute weapon created powerful missiles, the USSR here seriously overtook the United States, because the United States had a fleet of heavy bombers and a base in Europe, but we do not. And, in addition to the task of carrying a nuclear charge, the missiles could also carry another payload, which it was a sin not to use in an ideological war.



Both sides began to prepare.

Moreover, we had a brilliant designer Korolev, who was so delirious with space that during Stalin's times he received a prison term for misappropriating funds, and he spent them not on himself, but on researching rockets capable of entering orbit.

And the United States had Wernher von Braun, a German and a Nazi, but the person is also sick with astronautics and the desire to get to where nothing alive can exist.

And it was they who pushed forward, emphasizing the prestige, manned astronautics. It was on them that the programs were largely held, and it was that generation that realized the dream, almost useless, but beautiful.

Indeed, from the point of view of states, everything is determined by efficiency - military and economic. In this sense, the orbit is very promising, but even there manned flights are not very necessary - satellites can be launched without it. But "The moon is a harsh mistress" or Aelita with apple trees on Mars is fantastic. And fiction is bad and expensive.

Well, would a Soviet cosmonaut set foot on Mars, and what military advantages would the USSR receive? And the economic ones?

But the cost of the program would be truly cosmic.

But I got ahead of myself.

In the meantime, 1961 is an unconditional victory for the USSR. The first man in space is undoubtedly an event that has no analogues in the human stories, and the triumph of the USSR and the Queen. The dream of science fiction writers and enthusiastic youths became reality one day, and the dreams of millions became even more daring: the 50s – 60s was the peak of popularity of science fiction books about space and the conquest of the Universe. Moreover, both in our country and in the West: in our country they explored the Andromeda Nebula, they studied Dune, and they built communism and capitalism, but these are details, just the main thing is the general impulse of mankind into space.

Dreams are good, but here and now in the media, the United States needed a powerful response to the Soviet successes, and in the same 1961 they adopted the Apollo program, a project of manned flights to the moon.

The Americans did not have much choice, the answer had to be as loud as the first flight into space, and besides the Moon, there are no other suitable objects nearby.

Landing on another astronomical object is equal in importance to a spacewalk, and in complexity - higher. The only thing is that the price is $ 25,4 billion in 1969, which is approximately all of the current $ 200 billion. Well, and the technical difficulties that seemed hardly surmountable.

But when did this stop the superpowers?

The development of super-heavy rockets "Saturn" starts, and we have our own carriers of manned spacecraft to the Moon - N-1. In addition, there was a study of lunar modules, protection, nutrition, hygiene of astronauts and a whole bunch of other issues.

As a result, the USSR dropped out of the race, and the USA reached the end.

Why we fell down is understandable - the main engine of our manned space exploration Korolyov died, Khrushchev, a fanatic of missiles and the spread of ideas of communism through successes in space, left, or rather, he left, and a tough struggle for funding began between the departments. Seven nannies had a child without an eye, and the project was quietly turned off. Moreover, Brezhnev, being an economic manager and a pragmatist, simply did not understand - why all this at such a price and with such a risk?

As it turned out, from the point of view of prestige, we, of course, lost, but from the point of view of pragmatism - quite the opposite, we saved a lot of money, resources and time.

The United States landed on the moon six times, brought a bunch of stones from there, said a bunch of beautiful words:

This is one small step for man, but a giant leap for all mankind.

We planned three more flights ... and stopped.

Apollo numbered 18, 19 and 20 were canceled, the Martian programs were curtailed by both countries, and no further orbits have been flown since then.

Moreover, the very technology for the production of super-heavy missiles was lost. This happened because no one needs it. It is one thing to rivet piece hand-assembled products, with the involvement of hundreds of enterprises, costing some kind of SSBN "Ohio" or "Borey", and to implement, in fact, piece number, another is constant research and development.

And in this sense, everything is sad on the moon: neither the atmosphere, nor the available minerals, nor the military prospects, and even with science - unmanned vehicles can deliver stones, much smaller, but scientists do not need tons.

Similarly, Venus and Mars - for 40-50 years it is quite possible to send manned missions there, but why?

It will not be possible to land on Venus, the conditions are not the same, and unmanned aerial vehicles can also be viewed from orbit. Mars is a lifeless desert with an unsuitable atmosphere, in theory it is possible to build a base there, but again, what's the point?

In Antarctica, scientists are sitting, because the weather forecasts, and on Mars?

Enough for curiosity and prestige and robots, which are regularly launched, and to the Moon, and to Mars, and to Venus, and even to the stars ("Voyagers").

No, if, say, the USSR rushed to Mars in the year 1980, then the United States would rush to Venus, or Europe, or somewhere else, prestige is primary. But Moscow withdrew from the race, after which the competition moved to the orbital plane, fortunately, from a military point of view, from an economic point of view, this is much more interesting.

And all that remains of the lunar program is the lunar conspiracy theory, in which a significant part of our fellow citizens believe, and no evidence convinces them. Although the United States has its own clowns, both those who believe in the lunar conspiracy and those who believe that Gagarin did not fly into space either.

However, against the background of the current level of effective consumers, this is not surprising, because a fool understands that you cannot fly into space, you will crash against the firmament, or you will be eaten by a turtle, the very one on which our planet lies. Which, in general, is flat, there is also such a sect.

But seriously, practice has simply killed the dream.

A person is so constructed that he is capable of doing something for the sake of a result, while the results of manned flights cannot yet be. The meaning will appear - flights will also be reborn.

In the meantime, research by robots, the dream of stars, and a topic for conspiracy theorists who cannot understand why the modern United States does not spend hundreds of billions on flights to the Moon, and modern Russia flies to Mars and the Moon only in the words of Rogozin?

But it is worth asking a single simple question - "why", and all the rest will disappear by themselves.

We do not have breakthroughs of the level of the 50s, and while there are no breakthroughs, expensive single flights will remain unprofitable.
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  1. +28
    22 October 2021 11: 08
    Has the preparation of public opinion begun for the phasing out of manned astronautics in Russia?
    Otherwise, our effective stations will not pull their own station, and the ISS is already crumbling and dying
    1. 0
      22 October 2021 11: 12
      I would not want to collapse that. But on the other hand, we have something often with technical accidents and catastrophes occur.
      1. +7
        22 October 2021 14: 12
        We do not have disasters often, but statements on Twitter, rhymes and so on, which in terms of professional training corresponds above the roof
        1. +8
          23 October 2021 09: 52
          Has the preparation of public opinion begun for the phasing out of manned astronautics in Russia?

          Also thought so .... the author writes that it is unprofitable. Likewise, pensioners are unprofitable, it is unprofitable to treat people, invalids are unprofitable ... capitalism.
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      2. 0
        23 October 2021 12: 21
        What are you talking about, in another thread about the "first" they proved to me that with the arrival of Rogozin everything began to be tip-top, on the contrary, it stopped falling)
    2. -8
      22 October 2021 11: 30
      - the genius designer Korolev, who was delirious with space so much that during Stalin's times he received a prison term for misappropriation of funds, and he spent them not on himself, but on researching rockets capable of entering orbit.
      I would like (with all due respect to Korolev) to clarify about the "sharashka".
      From the case: "In 1936, he was developing a gunpowder winged torpedo; knowing in advance that the main parts of this torpedo - devices with photocells - for controlling the torpedo and aiming it at the target, cannot be made by the central laboratory of wire communication, Korolev, in order to load the institute with unnecessary work intensively led the development of the missile part of this torpedo in 2 versions.
      As a result of this test, four torpedoes built by Korolev showed their complete unsuitability, which caused damage to the state in the amount of 120 rubles ...
      In 1937, when developing the side compartment of the (winged) torpedo, I made a sabotage calculation, as a result of which research work on the creation of a torpedo was disrupted ... "
      And then Trotskyism, as a cause of sabotage. But the ESSENCE is that Korolyov did not do what the country NEEDED, but what was INTERESTED to him. For example, a cruise missile, a thing completely useless at the "then" level of technology development.
      And 120 thousand rubles. At that time, the money was very considerable.
      1. +18
        22 October 2021 11: 32
        Cough cough, any R&D and scientific research in general is a huge risk of failure. As you move into the unknown. Maybe this will be a huge breakthrough, or maybe a false start with a failure. Maybe the topic will overturn the entire civilization, or maybe it will turn out to be a useless piece where money will be poured in for decades to no avail.
        So you can send all the developers of a thermonuclear reactor to a concentration camp, they have been promising to make a thermonuclear reactor for 70 years in the near future. But still nothing. And the money is spent huge laughing
        1. +1
          22 October 2021 12: 36
          BlackMokona. if every ENGINEER will do what he likes, then there will be no sense EVER.
          Moreover, for PERSPECTIVE developments, back in the 20s, the "Ostekhbyuro" was created in the USSR.
          1. -1
            22 October 2021 18: 09
            Yes, that's just for space - the USSR has not created an analogue of the American NASA.
            1. +9
              24 October 2021 17: 51
              Quote: Vadim237
              Yes, that's just for space - the USSR has not created an analogue of the American NASA.

              Yes, the USSR just flew into space earlier, without any analogues from NASA.
          2. AUL
            +5
            22 October 2021 22: 37
            Quote: knn54
            if every ENGINEER will do what he likes, then there will be no sense EVER.

            Korolev is not "every engineer", but the pride of the country. Unfortunately, this became clear much later. And by the way, are you sure that officials from Ostekhbyuro saw further than Korolyov in terms of prospects? After all, there were, first of all, ideologically literate cadres who correctly understood the policy of the party, and, secondly, those who were competent in engineering.
        2. +9
          22 October 2021 12: 53
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Cough cough, any R&D and scientific research in general is a huge risk of failure. As you move into the unknown. Maybe this will be a huge breakthrough, or maybe a false start with a failure. Maybe the topic will overturn the entire civilization, or maybe it will turn out to be a useless piece where money will be poured in for decades to no avail.
          So you can send all the developers of a thermonuclear reactor to a concentration camp, they have been promising to make a thermonuclear reactor for 70 years in the near future. But still nothing. And the money is spent huge laughing

          A bit wrong. The Queen was given money for one thing, but he did another. In the end, neither one nor the other worked. The developers of the fusion work within the allocated budget, that is, the state hopes to get something working at the output. Naturally, the state in the case of Korolev asked the results of his work. By the way, in our time, the wording sounds a little different: theft of allocated funds, because theoretically they can be attributed to R&D.
          1. +7
            22 October 2021 13: 31
            Well check it out
            In February 1938, in a joint report with E.S.Schetinkov, Korolev outlined the possibilities of using the rocket plane for various purposes, including substantiating its use as a high-altitude fighter-interceptor. Until his arrest on June 27 of the same year, he continued to work on a prototype liquid-propellant rocket plane. Subsequently, work on this project continued under the leadership of A. Ya. Shcherbakov, the first flight of the RP-318-1 rocket plane with a running engine took place on February 28, 1940 [17].

            Oh no, it turns out he was working on what he was instructed to do. And his work continued after his arrest. How is that? wassat
            And for what we put in then we will respect. Everything is there too
            On June 28, 1938, the NKVD of the USSR was arrested and prosecuted for belonging to the Trotskyist, sabotage organization operating in the scientific research institute No. 3 (NKB USSR) and the former engineer of the said institute, Sergei Pavlovich Korolev, was brought to justice.
            In the course of the investigation, Korolev ACKNOWLEDGE HIMSELF GUILTY for the fact that he was involved in the Trotskyist sabotage organization in 1935 by the former technical director of Research Institute No. 3 Langemak (convicted).
            On the instructions of an anti-Soviet organization, Korolev conducted sabotage work to disrupt the development and commissioning of the Red Army of new types of weapons (case sheets 21-35, 53-55; 66-67, 238-239).

            Here is for the anti-government work as part of the evil fictional Trocysts in which he sabotaged all the work that he did.
            1. +2
              22 October 2021 13: 59
              Here is for the anti-government work as part of the evil fictional Trocysts in which he sabotaged all the work that he did.


              putting into service the Red Army new types of weapons


              And the new weapons were RS-82 aircraft rockets.
            2. 0
              25 October 2021 08: 50
              Trotskyists are not invented, but they could be pulled by the ears.
          2. +7
            22 October 2021 13: 57
            The fiction that allegedly Korolev was given money for one thing, and he did another, and allegedly for this he was imprisoned, wanders the Internet and has nothing to do with reality, and is a cynical slander against the designer.
            All work was carried out according to approved plans, moreover
            Rocket 217 was the planned work of the Institute, was carried out by us successfully with a significant overfulfillment of the data (see the comparison of the results in the report on object 217 for 1936) and was fully accepted by the customer Research Institute No. 10 (b. Ts.L.P.S., g. . Leningrad). Acceptance certificates in the case of the object 217. There were no delays in other objects

            The accusation that the subcontractors did not fulfill their part of the work looks generally outright absurd. If they mastered the money, but obviously could not do the work, and knew this, then it was logical to plant them, not the Queen.
            Korolev completed his part of the work in accordance with the officially approved assignment and handed it over to the customer.
            The accusation was frankly far-fetched.
        3. 0
          25 October 2021 08: 47
          If the state supplied you with this R&D, then in case of failure you may not be rewarded, but not jailed.

          But if you, like the same Tukhachevsky, will push something of your own, to the detriment of what the state considers more important, and this does not work, then the investigators will come to you quite rightly, and whether you did it deliberately. With the same dynamo-rocket cannons, there was just such a story, at the exit there was a zilch, the necessary work was damaged. And if at all something of their own, well then it's just a crime.

          A thermonuclear reactor is being developed within the framework of the issued TK, its development does not replace work on a closed nuclear cycle, which is now being introduced by Rosatom, and which is most likely the future of mankind for the next several hundred years.
      2. -5
        22 October 2021 14: 18
        Yes, as it were. The person is enthusiastic and overdid it. Accordingly, the state applied legal methods. And he went to work where his vigorous activity is strictly directed. And by the way, not him alone. With all the excesses of that time, those in power were able to achieve results. Unlike the current situation in astronautics, and not only.
    3. +3
      22 October 2021 11: 59
      Has the preparation of public opinion begun for the phasing out of manned astronautics in Russia?
      Otherwise, our effective stations will not pull their own station, and the ISS is already crumbling and dying

      And this was discussed even in the USSR. And first of all, among the employees of the industry.

      Read cosmonaut Feoktistov "But we made rockets."
      All stations were launched primarily for military missions. And not one of them did not fulfill their program.

      Even then, the priorities were clear:

      1. Powerful orbital constellation.
      2. AMS to planets and asteroids.
      3. Telescopes in orbit for deep space exploration.

      This is what literate countries are doing now. wink
      1. 0
        23 October 2021 09: 11
        Quote: Arzt
        Has the preparation of public opinion begun for the phasing out of manned astronautics in Russia?

        Funding for Roskosmos has ALREADY been cut from next year, and it has been seriously cut. Either after realizing that there will be nothing worthwhile from Rogozin's department, or deciding to give up this "whim" altogether. After all, the problem with its own radio component base has not been solved ... And in general, today everything in the Russian Federation is moving into a virtual plane. To announce future achievements, bases on the Moon and Mars, nuclear tugs and deep space exploration, just one Rogozin and a small staff of speechwriters are enough. In the meantime, it is possible to paint missiles under Khokhloma - more royal ones, to patent the brands "Gagarin", "Sputnik", etc. and release vodka under them ... or something else ... You can even "supervaccine" ...
        1. 0
          25 October 2021 19: 15
          Do you know the Salyut processor, which is widely used in Russian space technology? There are problems with components, of course, but not such alarms as you describe.
    4. -5
      22 October 2021 12: 26
      I will reveal a secret, but ours, as it were, have long ago stated that the base on the Moon will be robotic
      1. +6
        22 October 2021 14: 23
        That's about the statements .. They are above the roof. When the result will be, then it is necessary to declare.
        1. +1
          22 October 2021 14: 42
          laughing so what to do if they ask, and they answer .. and on the study of the solar system, until a reliable radiation shield and a system of artificial gravity-Mars are created, etc., this is closer to "how to ditch the astronauts."
    5. +5
      22 October 2021 12: 27
      But it is worth asking a single simple question - "why", and all the rest will disappear by themselves.

      Apparently Musk cannot think of the question "why", so he is developing a rocket for mass launches in an emergency mode 24/7. wassat


      We do not have breakthroughs of the level of the 50s, and while there are no breakthroughs, expensive single flights will remain unprofitable.

      And here a natural question arises, "we" have it from whom?
      1. +13
        22 October 2021 12: 50
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Apparently Musk cannot think of the question "why", so he is developing a rocket for mass launches in an emergency mode 24/7.

        But what if Elon Musk is in fact an alien who came to us from another galaxy, crashing his spaceship during landing, and is desperately trying to pull up the local progress in order to quickly dump home?
        1. +4
          22 October 2021 14: 09
          Quote: A. Privalov

          But what if Elon Musk is in fact an alien who came to us from another galaxy, crashing his spaceship during landing, and is desperately trying to pull up the local progress in order to quickly dump home?

          Sell ​​this idea to Kurt Vonnegut. He will write a book and call it Sirens of the Titan.
          1. +5
            22 October 2021 14: 19
            Quote: DenVB
            Sell ​​this idea to Kurt Vonnegut. He will write a book and call it Sirens of the Titan.

            It's a good idea, just an impossible one. Kurt Vonnegut has already written such a book and 14 years since he left us for the Otherworld. However, his idea of ​​externally controlled puppets with a special chip in their heads seems to have already been put into practice.
            1. +3
              22 October 2021 14: 32
              Quote: A. Privalov
              However, his idea of ​​externally controlled puppets with a special chip in their heads seems to have already been put into practice.

              Impossible. I would know.
              1. +7
                22 October 2021 14: 40
                Quote: DenVB
                Impossible. I would know.

                They hide it from you.
            2. +2
              22 October 2021 19: 51
              Quote: A. Privalov
              However, his idea of ​​externally controlled puppets with a special chip in their heads seems to have already been put into practice.

              This is secret information, the average person does not need to know it. stop
        2. 0
          23 October 2021 09: 18
          Quote: A. Privalov
          and desperately trying to pull up the local progress in order to quickly dump home?

          It looks like he's not the only one trying to topple, "Starships" are being built multi-seat.
          Is this an evacuation?
          Does he know something?
          1. +2
            23 October 2021 09: 44
            Quote: bayard
            It looks like he's not the only one trying to topple, "Starships" are being built multi-seat.
            Is this an evacuation?
            Does he know something?

            Laughter laughter. So far, Hyperloop, according to his idea, has received funding in the Netherlands. The billionaire himself has embodied so many of all sorts of ideas ... These move civilization forward.
          2. 0
            25 October 2021 09: 07
            Quote: bayard
            It looks like he's not the only one trying to topple, "Starships" are being built multi-seat.
            Is this an evacuation?
            Does he know something?

            No no, it's okay, don't worry, you all won't die. For example, I booked tickets purely for fun. feel
      2. -1
        22 October 2021 14: 43
        develops because NASA within the framework of Artemis paid
        1. +2
          22 October 2021 18: 15
          In fact, NASA paid for the Starship Lunar version for him - everything else is created on its own initiative on the launch pad tower, the grips for the returned rockets have already been hung and today they conducted the second static test of engines on SN 20.
      3. +8
        22 October 2021 18: 59
        "Why"?..
        Weird question...
        Why did the human ancestor climb out of the cave? It was so comfortable there.
        Why did you pick up a stick?
        Why did you start farming?
        Why did you come up with the wheel?
        Why did he lift his head up and look at the sky?
        Why was all this necessary?
        Doesn't it occur to the author?
        1. +1
          23 October 2021 09: 12
          In those days, they did not soar about "economic efficiency", "return on assets" and other similar things.
          Otherwise, they would have remained in the caves.
        2. +1
          23 October 2021 09: 19
          Quote: Cosm22
          Doesn't it occur to the author?

          The author has completed the order.
        3. 0
          25 October 2021 09: 44
          Why did the human ancestor climb out of the cave? It was so comfortable there.

          And in the house it is more comfortable. Even if it is primitive. Otherwise I would not have come out, yes.
          Why did you pick up a stick?

          I could not do the necessary work with my hands, so I took a stick, immediately receiving the result from it.
          Why did you start farming?

          Because you can't collect as much by gathering and hunting as you can grow.
          And so on, other rational arguments. You don't think that cave people dreamed of becoming non-cavemen and therefore left the cave, despite the fact that it was most comfortable there and it did not bring any visible benefit? The people of that time were not much smarter than animals: there was no language yet to come up with dreams of turning into a highly developed person who lives in a house.
          The transition to agriculture is generally not a matter of one year or even one generation. This is hundreds, if not thousands of years. Natural process. Also purely rational, by the way. And, I am sure, at the beginning of this process, no one thought that he was trying to grow wheat near his home, and in a thousand years, thanks to this, one of the largest cities in the world will stand on this place (or nearby).
          And what are the visible benefits of manned space? Those that lie right in your palm, you just have to grow pollen (in the form of rockets) and squeeze them? Distant prospects? Okay, I acknowledge their possibility, but the financiers do not. This is their job - don't waste money. Here's how we will prove to them with mathematical calculations that there will be benefits from space flights, we will calculate the payback periods based on scientific data ... then, I am sure, they will dump tons of coins and bills into space, the values ​​of which will be measured in trillions of dollars.
          I myself am a space dreamer and would like a trip to Alpha Centauri and a restaurant where you can invite an alien ... But you have to understand that none of this will happen until we prepare a business case. And so with everything and always.
          1. 0
            25 October 2021 19: 02
            "Because you can't collect as much by gathering and hunting as you can grow." So, in our time, such a phase social transition is taking place? It's not just technology that is changing, society is changing into a different quality. I don't mean LGBT.
            1. 0
              26 October 2021 20: 43
              I do not understand how the transition from gathering and hunting to agriculture and cattle breeding correlates with the propaganda of the LGBT movement. It seems to me that the first process is a much more fundamental change than the current rather large-scale, but still definitely a temporary hobby.
      4. 0
        25 October 2021 08: 53
        Everything Musk does in the 1970s has already flown. But the US knows how to master budgets better than ours. But you believe further. However, I do not recommend buying Tesla, otherwise you can suddenly burn out in it.
      5. 0
        25 October 2021 09: 53
        Apparently Musk cannot think of the question "why"

        Maybe he wouldn't have been a billionaire otherwise. But his main space achievement - the revival of partially reusable vehicles - is used today only for launching satellites. And this is not manned astronautics.
    6. +3
      22 October 2021 13: 12
      Has the preparation of public opinion begun for the phasing out of manned astronautics in Russia?

      What to cook there, I responsibly told you and declare, manned space exploration in Russia died in the early 90s - late 80s. Everything else is convulsions.
      1. +3
        23 October 2021 09: 14
        And she could not die?
        It was not possible to create rocket engines based on new physical principles, and trying to master other planets with "chemical" rockets is the same as conducting sea trade using kayaks.
        1. 0
          25 October 2021 13: 40
          And she could not die?

          I wrote higher. The United States found as many as 2 exits.
          1. Tourism
          2. Fraud about the colonization of Mars.

          You are absolutely right about the engines, I also wrote it.
        2. 0
          25 October 2021 21: 47
          and trying to explore other planets with "chemical" missiles is the same as doing sea trade using kayaks.


          It is possible and necessary to industrially and commercially master the benefits of microgravity - it is not for nothing that the same cosmonauts and astronauts have been engaged in orbital materials science for many decades. The commercial sphere is no worse than communication, weather or remote sensing. Then at least nuclear engines will do it.
      2. -2
        23 October 2021 18: 59
        Quote: bk316
        I responsibly declared to you and I declare, manned cosmonautics in Russia died in the early 90s - late 80s

        irresponsible.
        1. Orbital station "Mir" (DOS # 7) was flooded on the "KKK" in Tikhiy ocean 23 March 2001
        this is the 21st century
        last visit 2000-06-15 "Soyuz TM-30"
        And the small "Mir-2" documentation was completed only in 1994

        Deployment of OS "Mir-2" was planned to start with the launch of the Base Unit
        No. 128 in the 1st quarter of 1996. Then, with the help of the Progress M spacecraft (or in one or two flights of the Buran), the NEP was delivered and deployed. Following this, in 1996, a docking station was launched.
        compartment and service module, in 1997 - biotechnological module, in 1998 - technological. The duration of active operation of the station was calculated for 10 years (until 2005)
        2.Yes and then

        3. Projectors will leave a "la Rogozin, the situation with the thief will change, everything can turn in the other direction
        1. -1
          25 October 2021 08: 54
          Yes, suddenly, new engines will appear, and missiles will fly 10 times faster.
          1. +1
            25 October 2021 11: 35
            Quote: EvilLion
            Yes, suddenly, new engines will appear, and missiles will fly 10 times faster.

            belay
            what is this for?
        2. 0
          25 October 2021 13: 38
          I explain for those who are not in the subject and judge life by pictures from the Internet.
          Manned astronautics has always been a very specific phenomenon.
          It was the embodiment of the dream of mankind, not justified either by the economy, or by the military, or by anything other than the ideology of the race of social systems (socialist and capitalist).
          Accordingly, she could only live under conditions of constant development, new achievements were needed all the time. To be second in a two-person race is to be last.
          Moreover, technological advances were of no interest to anyone; they needed a picture clear to the plebs.
          The first in space, the first station on the Moon, the first house in orbit, the first man on the Moon ...
          Already by the beginning of the 80s, it was necessary to fly to Mars and all of humanity rested.
          And if in the USA they found as many as 2 ways out.
          1. Carry tourists.
          2. Rub glasses about Mars.
          Then agony began in the Russian Federation.
          And Rogozin has nothing to do with it, then he had nothing to do with the commos at all, even less than me laughing
          1. +1
            25 October 2021 14: 06
            Quote: bk316
            I explain for those who are not in the subject and judge life by pictures from the Internet.

            ... well, conceit.
            "not in the subject" - I am still a little in the subject, and the coursework was on the TC ODE for the MTCC and their stable functioning under microgravity and low temperatures. Roughly "providing temperature control and liquid intake in zero gravity"
            Quote: bk316
            To be second in a two-person race is to be last.

            nonsense, just typical of someone who on the Internet and saw only "rocket"
            Quote: bk316
            And Rogozin has nothing to do with it, then he goes to the commos didn't have relationship from the word at all, even less than me

            did I write the opposite?
            in black and white and in Russian it is written
            Quote: ja-ja-vw

            3. Projectors will leave a "la Rogozin, the situation with the thief will change, everything can turn in the other direction

            "did not have" - ​​past tense verb
            "go away" is the future form of the verb
            "everything can come back" compound verb, in the future tense
            1. 0
              25 October 2021 15: 20
              Young man. My father worked at TsKBM from the 60s to the 90s. Graduated from the head of the department.
              The words about the first and second are not mine - Chelomey.
              Any questions?
              1. 0
                25 October 2021 15: 45
                Quote: bk316
                Young man. I have a father from 60 to 90

                vyunosha ... I'm already retired, and I'm about to turn 60. I was in Reutov for a workshop.
                as always, all "such specific people" are drawn into the discussion, as an argument, dad, mom, children, and so on.
                What does your dad and your pearls have to do with it?
                Dimon, our chief on skeet, Oleg Konstantinovich, was also not in the journalistic pool of the Central Committee of the CPSU.
                what?
                Quote: bk316
                The words about the first and second are not mine - Chelomey.
                Any questions?

                since Chelomey and I will not comment. Maybe. BUT, decent people are other people's words, and Chelomey for sure, are taken in "quotes", as a rule. But this concerns decent people
                about another "?" : Of course there are no questions, you will not answer more than one.
                And these opuses like
                Quote: bk316
                And if in the USA they found as many as 2 ways out.
                1. Carry tourists.
                2. Rub glasses about Mars.

                I'm not interested at all
                1. 0
                  26 October 2021 15: 28
                  What does your dad and your pearls have to do with it?

                  And while the young man, that this diagnosis was not made by me and not now, but the people who were still working with Korolyov were not in the last roles, they made it back in the 90s. Well, good luck with the copy-paste from the Big Dump.
                  Well, if you really want to write, but there are no sources of information, then you can look in the trash heap, you just need to learn how to separate information from fakes and fewer pictures, more meaning - your clip thinking gives it out in you.
                  1. 0
                    26 October 2021 21: 04
                    Quote: bk316
                    Well, good luck with the copy-paste from the Big Dump.

                    Yeah, you see your hands are crooked and you can't copy-paste?
                    Quote: bk316
                    Well, if you really want to write, but there are no sources of information

                    .
                    Have you even read yourself?
                    look:

                    sheer anger, inferiority complexes, zero (0) information and at least some kind of links (except for "daddy"), trash, and aplomb, pyzheny, already seethes and gurgles.
                    Free, all the best, I hope you will become a Generalisimus in "authorite".
                    hi
    7. +9
      22 October 2021 13: 16
      To the topic of the article, just news:

      Lockheed Martin has announced the first privately owned Starlab station. It will consist of a living unit, a docking station, a propulsion system, a robotic arm and a laboratory. Its volume will be 340 m³; four astronauts can be at the station at the same time.
      1. +9
        22 October 2021 20: 38
        The author of the article is interested in:
        What for?
      2. 0
        25 October 2021 08: 55
        And what will they do there? Billionaires suffering from bullshit?
    8. -2
      22 October 2021 16: 47
      fanatic of rockets and the spread of communist ideas through successes in space Khrushchev left, or rather - he was gone

      Well, it seems that in 1964 the author did not stand in line for bread, if he believes that the "rocket fanatic" Khrushch Kukuruzny, by voluntarily breaking up the USSR economy, was bringing the country closer to new victories in space.
      1. +1
        25 October 2021 18: 45
        There were queues for white (wheat), for black (rye) there were no queues. There were no problems with white people in public catering.
    9. -1
      22 October 2021 18: 08
      Before our flight to the moon, another 15 years, and before our flight to Mars, it may take place in 2045.
      1. 0
        23 October 2021 09: 21
        Quote: Vadim237
        Before our flight to the moon yet

        Do you think that Rogozin will no longer live?
        1. 0
          23 October 2021 14: 00
          In 15 years, Roscosmos will definitely not replace him with another "professional"
    10. 0
      25 October 2021 19: 33
      The project of the ROSS station, a space shipyard for assembling and testing spacecraft, is promising for a very long time. Moreover, there are technical capabilities.
  2. +1
    22 October 2021 11: 08
    But it is worth asking a single simple question - "why", and all the rest will disappear by themselves.
    Yes, at least two: the survival of humanity and the resources of the solar system.
    The asteroid will bang into Mother Earth, and that's all - trillions of dollars, yuan, rubles are useless.
    Well, the resources, too, are finite on Earth.
    1. +7
      22 October 2021 11: 31
      Even the Sun will someday inevitably complete its path of star evolution, humanity will have to look for a new star for life. And the further it goes by this moment in its development, the higher the chances of survival.
      1. +4
        22 October 2021 11: 50
        Well, this is a very distant prospect. Long before it, we will either die out or settle in the galaxy laughing
        1. +2
          22 October 2021 12: 01
          If we settle, it will be thanks to those who have been doing something all this time.
          1. +2
            22 October 2021 18: 19
            And even then, if the level of funding for Roskosmos remains as scanty as it is now, China and the United States, namely, their private space companies, will settle people from Earth, and we will find ourselves in the span.
      2. +1
        25 October 2021 09: 00
        To avoid this, you must first solve the issue of engines in order to fly at least a few percent of the speed of light, and then you can already think about how the spaceship will look like. Not a probe weighing in grams, which can, in principle, be sent to Alpha Centauri even now, and can fly in 100 years, namely a ship that can carry at least hundreds of people and / or equipment that would allow terramorphizing a suitable planet, so that at least a town could be built on it, autonomously existing.
    2. 0
      22 October 2021 12: 24
      Yes, a great article for an excuse. Strange, space exploration has spawned new classes of materials, technologies and devices that we now use in everyday life. But STATES did it. And the capitalists really don't need space. There is no immediate benefit, there is no investment from the capitalist. Therefore, to close space (in spite of any negative moments from this for the country), to cut the loot.
      1. -9
        22 October 2021 12: 34
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Strangely, space exploration has spawned new classes of materials, technologies and devices that we now use in everyday life.

        Which ones?
        1. +4
          22 October 2021 12: 51
          Quote: DenVB
          Quote: AKuzenka
          Strangely, space exploration has spawned new classes of materials, technologies and devices that we now use in everyday life.

          Which ones?

          read the magazine "Echo of the Planet" in the early 90s. Data were given. that the States paid for their lunar program only by selling licenses for the materials that were developed during the project. In particular, as an example. Teflon was given.
          1. 0
            22 October 2021 12: 55
            Quote: bycharashkO
            The United States paid for its lunar program only by selling licenses for the materials that were developed during the project.

            Isn't this a story?

            In particular, as an example. Teflon was given.

            Received in 1938.
        2. 0
          22 October 2021 12: 51
          Google.
          1. +2
            22 October 2021 12: 56
            Quote: AKuzenka
            Google.

            The answer is clear.
            1. 0
              22 October 2021 14: 29
              Of course, everything is clear here. In 1988-1995 they shouted loudly: We do not need space, the money that goes for it should be given in pensions. And of course, pensions have become even smaller and space has disappeared. And competitors have stepped to the next technological and technical level of space exploration. After 10-15 years, all missile defense systems in the Russian Federation will become useless, tk. from vertically diving ammunition from space will not help. And he, the ammunition, will also maneuver. And there will be nothing to answer, space is closed, economically unprofitable. And your (and my) children will burn in the flames of war that will go through one gate and these gates will be ours. And all your economic benefits will burn in the palaces of "our" capitalists.
              1. -2
                22 October 2021 14: 36
                Quote: AKuzenka
                In 1988-1995 they shouted loudly: We do not need space, the money that goes for it should be given in pensions.

                But I, following the author of the article, yell in 2021 something completely different. We need space. But not manned. What kind of space is needed? Find a message just above from Arzt (Yuri). There it is briefly and precisely written which one.
                1. -2
                  22 October 2021 14: 38
                  Unmanned space is only exploration, not exploration. Automata cannot do anything in space with their hands. Objective control is not even half, it is a quarter of the research. Therefore, manned space is necessary and necessary.
                  1. 0
                    23 October 2021 09: 20
                    What kind of mastering? Extraction of minerals? Growing apple trees?
                    Any development, even on the Moon, is a planned unprofitable operation.
                    Who will give money for such a thing?
                    Real development will begin when the “categorical imperative” of profit loses its top priority. In the meantime, the best scientific minds will develop better materials for condoms, not space suits.
                    1. 0
                      23 October 2021 15: 14
                      Any development, even on the Moon, is a planned unprofitable operation.
                      Who will give money for such a thing?
                      It all depends on what you want from this or that object. The moon, for example, is a great place to place a weapon of retaliation. And in terms of astronomical research - "Klondike". And the profit from all this will be, in 50 years. Therefore, to talk about the profitability or unprofitability of space from the point of view of an investor (capitalist) is simply ridiculous.
                      1. 0
                        24 October 2021 09: 49
                        The moon, for example, is a great place to place the weapon of retaliation.


                        The Earth's orbit is better suited and cheaper.

                        Therefore, it is simply ridiculous to talk about the profitability or unprofitability of space from the point of view of an investor (capitalist).


                        Did you get in touch from the "Bright Communist Tomorrow"?
                        Actually, in our shitty world, it is the point of view of capitalist investors that has the highest priority. Since the money is with them, the damned bourgeoisie.
                      2. 0
                        25 October 2021 10: 01
                        And the profit from all this will be, in 50 years.

                        But this still needs to be calculated, and then published research, so that other minds check them, repeat, look from the other side ...
                    2. 0
                      25 October 2021 10: 00
                      Real development will begin when the “categorical imperative” of profit loses its top priority.

                      This will never happen. If this happens, society runs the risk of eventually investing its funds in nowhere (our main thing is not profit) and, as a result, remain a bankrupt civilization, which has invested a lot of money in nowhere and naturally received nothing from there in return.
                      And in order to conquer space, one must not abandon profitability, but develop technologies such that there is a profit from the conquest. Then your capitalists will be the first and rush to conquer it.
                      1. 0
                        25 October 2021 13: 17
                        This will never happen. If this happens, society runs the risk of eventually investing its funds in nowhere.


                        I have to disappoint you: for most of history, mankind was engaged in economic activities not for profit, but for the sake of satisfying needs. The term "economy" itself has nothing to do with profit (reasonable housekeeping, that's what "economics" is), what is now called economics, the ancient Greeks called "chrematistics".

                        Profit is a measure of the utility of an enterprise only within the framework of a certain socio-economic structure, which is based on the principle of an objective lack of everything (hence the competition, the struggle for this "deficit").
                        This will not always be the case. And the real exploration of extraterrestrial space will forever put an end to resource and energy constraints.
                        But this will happen very soon.
                      2. 0
                        26 October 2021 20: 40
                        The term "economy" itself has nothing to do with profit.

                        Right.
                        Profit is a measure of the utility of an enterprise only within the framework of a certain socio-economic structure

                        And it is also true.
                        In this regard, I thought that within the framework of the mentioned socio-economic structure, profit and utility in the general case are contextual synonyms.
                        And the real development of extraterrestrial space will forever put an end to resource and energy constraints.

                        Unfortunately no. Even within the solar system, we are very limited: we have only one star, we have little solid materials for the construction of stations and ships ... But this is my dream of galactic supercivilization. And even the galaxy is not infinite.
                      3. 0
                        27 October 2021 09: 08
                        Even within the solar system, we are very limited: we have only one star, we have little solid materials for the construction of stations and ships ... But this is my dream of galactic supercivilization. And even the galaxy is not endless


                        Is one star not enough for you? If humanity could use at least 0.1% of solar energy, we would have enough in excess.
                        Where are there few solid materials? In our system? Yes, they are in abundance. At least in the asteroid belt. Hydrocarbons? They are full of them in the atmosphere of the giant planets.

                        As for the resources. So, let's imagine that the civilization of the future makes another leap forward in development. Before the jerk, a sphere of space with a radius of 50 light-flying was available for exploration, and after - 500, that is, the access distance increased 10 times. And the amount of available resources will grow 1000 times (the amount available for space exploration and everything that is in this volume will grow by that much).
                        What are the limitations.
                        There are perhaps too many of us as long as we are all focused on one small planet. But when real space exploration begins, we will be missed.
                      4. 0
                        29 October 2021 12: 24
                        Is one star not enough for you?

                        Yes. The galaxy is not enough for me. You need at least a cluster.
                        What are the limitations.

                        If we can jump a few light years, then our limitation will be the edge of the galaxy. This is also a serious thing.
                        There are perhaps too many of us as long as we are all focused on one small planet. But when real space exploration begins, we will be missed.

                        There are not so many of us on this planet, as evidenced by the presence of undeveloped resource deposits, the unpopulation of many territories and other indirect factors. I don't understand where the talk of overpopulation comes from.
                        I want a supercomputer comparable in power to thousands of huge galaxies. And let him solve, at least in theory, the problem of preventing the death of the universe. And he will tell you how much energy is needed for this. And when we seize the necessary energy and complete the task, then it will be possible to say "Enough." Until then, there will be little.
                2. -1
                  22 October 2021 14: 45
                  However, now there is almost no space left in the Russian Federation. So to argue about what space is needed and what is not needed is an empty concussion of the air.
                  1. +1
                    22 October 2021 18: 24
                    However, now there is almost no space left in the Russian Federation. Why is it that there are no people left, and we launch rockets with payloads, and projects are proceeding as they are financed. For this decade, it is planned to launch stations of the Luna 25 26 27 28 series, a joint expedition to Mars under the Exomars 2020 program, the Spectrum UV telescope, Venus D research station, and so on.
                    1. -2
                      22 October 2021 20: 47
                      For this decade, it is planned to launch stations of the Luna 25 26 27 28 series, a joint expedition to Mars under the Exomars 2020 program, telescope Spectrum UV research station Venus D, etc.
                      Please give me at least one example of the promised and launched spacecraft (do not touch the poor "Science") over the past 30 years. The spacecraft designed in the USSR need not be mentioned. I mean, something that was not built or launched in the USSR.
                      1. 0
                        23 October 2021 14: 10
                        Telescope Radioastron and Telescope Spectrum RG Phobos Soil but it did not reach the specified orbit Angara A 1.2 and A5 rocket - Now they are assembling Soyuz 5 creating booster hydrogen oxygen booster for Angara A5B Gazprom, together with Roscosmos, is building a plant for assembling satellites for the Sphere, creating new spacesuits develop new engines for reusable rockets, one of them will penetrate the Amur LNG create elements of a new space station, build a cosmodrome and create new space equipment and materials, as well as a new manned spacecraft, and all this is for R&D and their completion - so that all directions in space are jammed with work on this statement that Russia has almost no blatant lies left in space.
                      2. 0
                        23 October 2021 15: 10
                        Yes, interesting examples:
                        RadioAstron "is an international [3] space project with leading Russian participation in fundamental astrophysical research in the radio range of the electromagnetic spectrum using a space radio telescope (SRT) mounted on the Russian spacecraft (SC)" Spektr-R "
                        Spectr-RG consists of two main components - telescopes eRosita (Germany) and ART-XC (Russia).
                        They are entirely designed and built in the Russian Federation, yeah.
                        Yes, R&D is being done and projects are being carried out and they will not see the end of the edge. Only the results so far are all in words (25 to 30 years). And this "while" will last forever. You got excited about the Angara, it started back in the USSR.
      2. 0
        25 October 2021 09: 04
        Have you read the article? The question is not that space is unnecessary, but that a person has nothing to do there, and if a machine can replace him, then it is ten times cheaper to send it. Commercial space is about satellites in orbit.

        No new devices can give birth to space, since everything that is used there is made in single copies for horse price tags with the requirements of minimizing weight and dimensions. On the ground, the priorities are completely different.
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      1. 0
        22 October 2021 13: 07
        Quote: DMi
        Humanity, even on earth, cannot ensure its survival. It's banal to feed all the hungry at least. Although there are resources for this, even in abundance. So let him sit on his ass straight and not protrude into space. Early Yshcho ... not mature enough. And if an asteroid, then it will be a sanitary cleanup from parasites.

        As long as there are separate countries and monetary relations, the issue of feeding cannot be resolved, because some prefer to be small and proud. Take the same Africa. Well, they like to have their king. Although it would seem that the question is as simple as three fingers, the central government of the hepothetical united Earth redistributes the surplus instead of burying them or crushing them with a tractor, but no better to sit in your hole and suck your paw.
        1. DMi
          +3
          22 October 2021 13: 22
          formally there is a "central government". The UN is called. And the UN has programs to combat hunger. Only the result is zero. It's just that people are stupid as a species. Stupid and self-centered. And in the end, where does Africa. In your city, can all the homeless and old people be fed to their fill? Does the state have no resources for this? I suspect the cost of one SU35 conditional, you can feed all homeless and lonely pensioners in the Russian Federation for a year. In their own country, no one can establish redistribution, what kind of central control of the entire planet is there.
          1. 0
            24 October 2021 09: 51
            formally there is a "central government". The UN is called.


            Formally ... even formally, this is not a government, since the UN has no leverage. In fact, it is just an empty talking shop on a global scale.
  3. 0
    22 October 2021 11: 11
    That's good .... it's high time to take an objective look at manned space exploration.
    Our taxes are not rubber.
  4. -2
    22 October 2021 11: 12
    Well, sho say, sho say ... but there is nothing, because there is a lot of turbidity, but will we get to clarity, can we wait, question?
  5. +9
    22 October 2021 11: 13
    Why read the author's article ... what's the point ... anyway, economically it will not bring benefits. smile
    A waste of time ... with such an approach, humanity would never get out of the caves ... would sit there forever ... what's the point of climbing out where tigers can devour and trample mammoths. what
  6. -6
    22 October 2021 11: 14
    The problems on Earth have not been resolved by humanity, therefore it is early to the Universe. A separate country, for example, the development of the moon, for the extraction of some sooooo rare minerals, will not decide.
    1. +10
      22 October 2021 11: 55
      Space gives a tangible profit - the development of technologies, which then come to the military and civilian industries, where they pay off for themselves. Only we need to do everything in stages: we need to bring to mind the creation of missiles of all the necessary classes, to torture the "Eagle" (aka "Federation"), to create our own orbital station. Plus, the "Nuclon" technology is very promising. Only now there are strong doubts that it will be possible to do all this under Rogozin. So far, only pretentious tryndezh is heard.
      1. -5
        22 October 2021 12: 07
        Space gives tangible profit
        I don’t argue, but global projects are still a long way off. Large flights and exploration of the planets, one country, one piece of the Earth cannot pull.
      2. -6
        22 October 2021 13: 08
        Quote: Artyom Karagodin
        Space gives a tangible profit - the development of technologies, which then come to the military and civilian industries, where they pay off for themselves.

        And you also have a question: what technologies from MANNERED space have come to civilian industries and are quite paying off for themselves?
        1. +2
          22 October 2021 17: 46
          And a question for you too:

          https://trends.rbc.ru/trends/industry/607061ff9a794727e1d25ee6

          Are the tunnels banned in Google, dear?
          1. -3
            22 October 2021 20: 45
            Quote: Serge-667
            Are the tunnels banned in Google, dear?

            If you have not been banned from Google, dear, please, give here at least one civilian technology that came from manned space and is quite paying off.
            1. +2
              22 October 2021 22: 05
              Dear, I gave you a LINK TO THESE TECHNOLOGIES.
              Or is the Chukchi not a reader?
              Jammed?
              1. -4
                22 October 2021 22: 07
                According to your answer, I understand that you have not mastered to read what was written on your link.
                1. 0
                  22 October 2021 22: 08
                  Sneakers, are they not "civilian" technology?
                  Or will we persist further?
                  1. -1
                    22 October 2021 22: 35
                    Quote: Serge-667
                    Sneakers, are they not "civilian" technology?
                    Or will we persist further?

                    The only thing that sneakers have to do with space is that Frank Rudy, who patented the soles with cushioning cavities, worked for NASA. Inflation molding technology has been around since at least the thirties.

                    Something else?
                    1. 0
                      22 October 2021 23: 28
                      Yes, everything is clear.
                      We distribute money for space to pensioners. They need it more.
                      1. -3
                        22 October 2021 23: 31
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        Yes, everything is clear.
                        We distribute money for space to pensioners. They need it more.

                        Are you also not a reader? Read the article to the end and understand what is written in it - did not you master it?
                      2. +2
                        22 October 2021 23: 59
                        Japanese policeman.
                        So they would immediately say, the Americans were not on the moon, the Earth is flat.
                        Satellite communication and GPS do not exist.
                        Space geodesy, mapping, meteorology using space - fiction.
                        And further down the list.
                        You, dear, or a poor troll, or just a very limited person.
                        Musk, perhaps for his own amusement, is launching trillions of dollars to create a global internet network into space.
                      3. -2
                        23 October 2021 00: 02
                        Quote: Serge-667
                        So they would say right away - the Americans were not on the moon

                        I see what is boiling over there with you. But still, read the article. When I see what I have read, we will continue the conversation.
                      4. +1
                        23 October 2021 00: 21
                        What are you talking about? He's gone.
                        IMHO, that's all.
                      5. 0
                        25 October 2021 09: 13
                        Satellites have nothing to do with manned astronautics and justify their existence themselves. The Internet through space is not needed for nothing, because I will reveal to you a terrible secret, but the speed of light is finite, and the signal to the satellite in geostationary orbit travels for more than 0.1 seconds in a straight line.
                      6. 0
                        25 October 2021 15: 27
                        have you heard anything about Starlink, Iridium, Globalstar, Thuraya and Inmarsat?
      3. -1
        25 October 2021 09: 11
        Which? In space, there are very specific requirements and prices. The Earth is full of extreme conditions.
    2. -1
      22 October 2021 12: 31
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      A separate country, for example, the development of the moon, for the extraction of some sooooo rare minerals, will not decide.

      What if he suddenly decides? Will he take it and decide? What then?
      1. +2
        22 October 2021 14: 23
        What if he suddenly decides? Will he take it and decide? What then?
        If the weight is lifted, then the navel will be untied. From the word completely.
        1. -2
          22 October 2021 19: 48
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          What if he suddenly decides? Will he take it and decide? What then?
          If the weight is lifted, then the navel will be untied. From the word completely.

          Musk apparently doesn't know this.
  7. +11
    22 October 2021 11: 27
    What is astronautics? How can one penetrate through the firmament? You're all lying.
    1. +5
      22 October 2021 11: 44
      Quote: sergo1914
      What is astronautics? How can one penetrate through the firmament? You're all lying.

      Exactly !!! Stones cannot fall from the sky !!! Serious French academicians have decided !!! I understood!!! Since stones cannot, then rockets cannot !!! They lie all to us, they want to intimidate !!!
      1. +1
        22 October 2021 12: 14
        Exactly !!! Stones cannot fall from the sky !!!
        Yes, and the Earth, flat in the pictures from space can be seen, and in one picture you can even see the head of a giant turtle. laughing And on the moon live the lunar raven and the lunar hare, the first responsible for rain, the second for desires .. When they say, why do you believe in fairy tales? I answer, but you believe the storytellers from the government? laughing
        1. +2
          22 October 2021 12: 33
          Pralna, pralna! Only those who write about the moon raven and the moon hare are also lying. Lunatics live on the moon - Baron Munchausen talked about this, and he was there before Armstrong, who, of course, never flew there at all.

          In general, in ancient times, all of humanity came from the Moon. In addition, the earth does not stand on a turtle (again, lie, you bastards), but on three whales. They just hide this truth from us. And in general, it's better to watch "RenTV", they won't lie for sure. wassat
    2. -1
      22 October 2021 12: 32
      Quote: sergo1914
      What is astronautics? How can one penetrate through the firmament? You're all lying.

      From the evil one everything! stop Repent! crying
      1. -1
        22 October 2021 13: 12
        Repent! crying



        smile
  8. +3
    22 October 2021 11: 27
    Let's drive ourselves into depression like this: "Why be born and live on, because we will die anyway."
  9. +1
    22 October 2021 11: 36
    Finally.
    First they began to ask the question why, and then fly.
    And then they got used to fly first, and only then ask why.
  10. +1
    22 October 2021 11: 38
    Well, yes, we will live wonderfully without dad, mom said to the baby. Activity in space is thought out at many levels and this or that way of solving the problem is not chosen by a strong-willed decision, whether I want or don’t want to, to be or not to be. The evolution of this activity is proceeding slowly, at least much slower than the forecasts of the futurists of the 70s. It is important that it is carried out in the interests of the person, and naturally it will not do without his participation. Iron does not care where to lie.
  11. +8
    22 October 2021 11: 56
    By the way, yesterday the Koreans let Nuri in. First national PH 100% from Korea. Characteristics 3t for low, 1,5t for 700km. The first launch was partially successful. They pierced 700 km at once with a 1,5 ton pig, but could not round off the orbit due to the failure of the third stage engine at 475 seconds with a target of 521 seconds. There were also some anomalies in traction. In general, you need to work on the third stage with a file and that's it.



    By the way, an interesting solution is for open cycle engines, where the gas generates exhaust as well.
  12. -2
    22 October 2021 12: 03
    A person is so constructed that he is capable of doing something for the sake of a result, while the results of manned flights cannot yet be. A sense will appear - flights will also be revived ... But it is worth asking a single simple question - "why", and all the rest will disappear by themselves.

    I can see the answer! The earth is no longer enough for everyone! The commercialization of the Cosmos is taking place! Business rushing, he sees that it is possible to get not feeble profits! Cosmotourism and, in the long term, mining, promise great prospects!
    1. DMi
      +2
      22 October 2021 12: 32
      Did anyone calculate the cost of delivering fossils even from the moon? I suspect such fossils will not be affordable for mother earth.
      And space tourism, yes ... I can see how millions of millionaires are queuing up for a ticket) and the plebs cheers with flags and joyful exclamations ..
      1. 0
        22 October 2021 13: 16
        Quote: DMi
        Did anyone calculate the cost of delivering fossils even from the moon?

        As well as the cost of mining and the cost of delivery and life support of miners.
        Quote: DMi
        I suspect such fossils will not be affordable for mother earth.

        I can't even imagine that such a thing needs to be mined on the moon to justify the costs. Unless, to tear apart an abandoned alien base.
        1. 0
          24 October 2021 09: 52
          I can't even imagine that such a thing needs to be mined on the moon to justify the costs. ...


          Helium-3. But the grapes are green and will be green for another 30 years, at least.
      2. +2
        22 October 2021 13: 58
        Did anyone calculate the cost of delivering fossils even from the moon?

        Business can count money! And this is big business!
        I suspect such fossils will not be affordable for mother earth.

        It depends on what kind of excavated! Rare earth elements are in short supply, and it is not necessary to bring them to Earth yet. It is possible to build fully robotic factories on the Moon, and produce, for example, a highly efficient microprocessor there. On the Moon or in orbit, energy will be cheaper, and with weak gravity or its absence, you can do many things that are not how to do on Earth.

        And space tourism, yes ... I can see how millions of millionaires are queuing up for a ticket.

        I don’t know if there’s a millionaire who wants to be a space tourist, but there are clearly many of them.

        and the plebs cheers with flags and joyful exclamations ..

        Once upon a time, only the richest had cars, but everyone has them. So it is with air travel. Yes, space flights are now very expensive, few people can afford it, but what does Elon Musk do, for example? Reduces cost by introducing new technologies! By reducing the cost, it expands the market. Massiveness will further reduce the price, and this makes the Cosmos more accessible.
        1. DMi
          +1
          22 October 2021 14: 17
          And that the geological exploration of Africa, Siberia, the Amazon showed that the land is already empty? Or maybe most of the rare earth deposits on earth have not yet been fully discovered? In Afghanistan, for example, there are rare earths. The railway is only needed. What is easier railway to Afghan or mining on the moon?
          Microprocessor factory on the moon. Mom dear. This is an example of manilovism, sorry. Nadys watched an interview with manufacturers of the Baikal processor. There was an interesting thought. Microelectronics is the most technically complex production on the planet. More difficult than astronautics and aviation. With long chains of suppliers and approvals. And mega expensive and thin production line. And all this on the moon .... yeah ... Shchassss))
          Ford transplanted America into cars when he began to produce them in millions of copies. I cannot imagine at least a couple of hundred flights of tourists into orbit a year.
          1. -1
            22 October 2021 16: 14
            maybe most of the rare earth deposits on earth are still not fully discovered

            Maybe. But depend on the political situation, and local governments will revolt theirs. Do you know why these elements are called "rare earth"? Because, there are few of them on Earth and they cost fabulous money! And on the moon, on asteroids, they are not so rare, in all likelihood. What may well turn out to be profitable!

            Microprocessor factory on the moon. Mom dear .... Microelectronics is the most technically complex production on the planet. ... And it's all on the moon ... yeah ...

            Nowadays these factories are totally automated with a minimum of personnel. Yes, it will be more difficult on the moon, but quite possible. Moreover, on the Moon and in weightlessness, there are possible technological processes that are inaccessible on Earth. For example, you can make alloy with unique properties, from materials incompatible on Earth. Orbital stations have been dealing with this for a long time. As for the processors, cosm. devices with them for years surf the endless expanses of the Universe! If it is possible to make microelectronics with such qualities on the Earth, why do you think that it is not on the Moon? Controlling the lunar resource gives you a huge advantage. And Mars is a separate topic. Musk says that for the first time, the planet should become a "backup" home for humanity. And he's right.

            Ford transplanted America into cars when he began to produce them in millions of copies.

            Mass production! Musk already has thousands of satellites and the global Internet! Valuable quite competitive, according to the mayor of the seal, will fall yet.

            I cannot imagine at least a couple of hundred flights of tourists into orbit a year.

            Essentially, Musk is doing what Ford did at the beginning of the last century. It is cosmotourists and they are registered in the queue. As prices become cheaper as a result of the mass character, prices will become even more affordable. The Falcon 9 has already revolutionized its reusable technology. And Starship promises what was fiction quite recently! This is such a multifunctional crab, which, in addition to interplanetary flights, can carry out intercontinental flights in a very short time. This is a kind of space plane that has no analogues in its capabilities. The idea itself opens a new page in the history of technology and provides new competitive opportunities. In fact, after the initial skepticism, now all the leading space powers began to work rapidly in this direction. The United States is leading, followed by China, and others will be added! The goal is clear, the road is clear! Space assimilation is entering a new highly competitive stage!
            While some criticize, others do!
            1. +3
              22 October 2021 16: 31
              By the way, it looks funny how the tone of Ross is changing. propaganda ... When the USSR and then Russia, using the inherited Soviet developments, was ahead, Space was needed, very much even! But when, as a result of Rogozin's stagnation, they lagged behind, they began to repeat "why space?" Apparently Rogozintsy realize to where they have brought the first country in space!
            2. DMi
              -1
              22 October 2021 17: 33
              It's clear. Elon Musk sect))
              Most of Musk's projects ended in zilch, but this is modestly silent. The Starship will never land on Mars. The cost of the Internet from Mask is $ 100 per month. No quality assurance. My internet costs $ 5 a month. Satellite Internet will never outperform terrestrial wired infrastructure. Another zilch from a swindler. The bankruptcy of this venture is only a matter of time.
              1. 0
                22 October 2021 18: 34
                "Starship will never land on Mars." It will land, if not in a manned, so in a cargo unmanned version, for sure - "Most of Musk's projects ended in a mess, but this is modestly silent." Which ones?
                "The cost of the Internet from Mask is $ 100 per month. No quality assurance." And that it has already been launched en masse? Satellite Internet will never win competition from land-based wired infrastructure - Scientific and technological progress does not stand still in this area, including so you shouldn't say "Never"
                1. DMi
                  +1
                  22 October 2021 18: 50
                  Giperloop and powerwall. To start. The rest are just too lazy to remember and search.
                  When the Mamka network is launched en masse, the price of its Internet may become even higher)) Do you know satellites are consumables. They need to be constantly updated. The estimated lifespan of the mha satellite from the Mask grid is 5 years. Those. every five years it will be necessary to COMPLETELY update the entire grouping. It is now he attracts hundreds of clients, and when they ask him "Where is the profit?" The subscriber may become more expensive. Suddenly))
                  Well, it is impossible to argue with believers. Time will put everything in its place.
                  1. +2
                    23 October 2021 14: 14
                    Giperloop - How can a project end in a mess if it is at the R&D stage - no one has closed this project, all work on it continues.
                    ... "They need to be constantly updated. The estimated lifetime of a satellite from the Mask grid is 5 years." It is now 5 years old - And tomorrow?
                    Well, it is impossible to argue with believers. Time will put everything in its place. With believers, it’s not for me, I’m not a believer - you need to go to church, the believers are mostly there.
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                      0
                      23 October 2021 16: 23
                      Yeah ... so we agree with the failure of the powerwall. Well, at least something.
                      Let me be curious in which institute does hyperloop R&D work? Well, ok, at least in some corporation. What a legal entity. is the person doing R&D of this super project right now?
                      1. 0
                        23 October 2021 19: 50
                        Powerwall has been on sale for many years. Orders are huge, and they are packed for many months to come.
                        Hyperloop is being developed by two companies that undertook to implement Musk's idea. Both companies have nothing to do with Musk, but are actively working on him.
                        HyperloopTT and Virgin Hyperloop One,
                      2. 0
                        24 October 2021 13: 07
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Powerwall has been on sale for many years. Orders are huge, and they are packed for many months to come.

                        Uh-huh ... We have Finiko, they have Powerwall ... More technological, I agree.

                        PS Advise the Europeans, otherwise they seem to have problems with electricity ...
                        PPS Why won't they expand production if "Orders are huge and filled for many months in advance."? Is this thing so useful and profitable?
                      3. 0
                        24 October 2021 16: 00
                        So they expand at an accelerated pace. Tesla shows new revenue records every quarter. But the people are buying everything and demanding more and more.
                        https://riafan.ru/1540862-tesla-ustanovila-novyi-rekord-pribyli-v-tretem-kvartale-2021-goda

                        Here is purely about drives (Powerwell and his older brothers)
                        https://insideevs.com/news/542261/tesla-energy-generation-storage-2021q3/
                        Google Translate
                        Tesla Energy Storage Implementation - Q2021 XNUMX
                        The total supply of energy batteries (Powerwall, Powerpack and Megapacks) increased:

                        1295 MWh (an increase of 71% over the same period last year)

                        The demand for energy storage products still far exceeds production capacity.
                      4. 0
                        24 October 2021 16: 08
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        But the people are buying everything and demanding more and more.

                        You mean electric cars. And I'm talking about Powerwall. And electric cars are not so rosy. By the way, you are aware that there is nothing patented in Tesla electric vehicles, except for design, interior, and other beauties. True, I was interested in a year and a half ago, maybe that has changed, but it is unlikely. Marketing however. Fashion, to put it simply.
                      5. 0
                        24 October 2021 16: 09
                        Here is purely about drives (Powerwell and his older brothers)
                        https://insideevs.com/news/542261/tesla-energy-generation-storage-2021q3/
                        Google Translate
                        Tesla Energy Storage Implementation - Q2021 XNUMX
                        The total supply of energy batteries (Powerwall, Powerpack and Megapacks) increased:

                        1295 MWh (an increase of 71% over the same period last year)

                        The demand for energy storage products still far exceeds production capacity.


                        On the contrary, Tesla has the largest percentage of its own compared to any other car manufacturer. All Musk companies have always been famous for their huge and even excessive vertical integration.
                      6. 0
                        24 October 2021 16: 31
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Tesla has the largest percentage of his

                        You can be curious, what is there of their own?
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        purely about drives

                        They can write whatever they want. And people can create a rush of demand for what is "cool" at the moment (I mentioned Finiko for a reason). However, the project itself does not become profitable from this. If you take the full cycle of "life", with the costs of installation, replacement of consumables (by the way, there is no guarantee for the battery itself), maintenance, disposal, then this is stupid pumping out of the bubble. By the way, initially they had a motto "buy and make a profit" (like you store electricity at a low price at night, sell it at a high price during the day), then they changed it - "plug in the refrigerator and phone charger when the electricity is temporarily cut off" (something like that).
                      7. 0
                        24 October 2021 16: 36
                        Almost everything from seats to electronics. For example, Tesla was recently praised by the head of Volkswagen in front of his directors. He even invited Musk to the main meeting. Since while all automakers in the world are groaning under the lack of microchips, stopping massively factories. Tesla ramps up production. Since all microcontrollers are their own and Tesla's engineers simply redesigned them for all chips available on the market. Having written down 19 options in two weeks.
                        (by the way, there is no guarantee for the battery itself),

                        There is a guarantee for 8 years.
                        And there are profits, for example the Australians reported huge profits and quick profitability.
                      8. 0
                        24 October 2021 16: 50
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        There is a guarantee for 8 years.

                        This is Powerwell's guarantee. The battery is not included. There is no such guarantee for any batteries, except for special ones, and I doubt it ... Strictly speaking, the manufacturer guarantees the number of charge / discharge cycles.
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Australians reported

                        Is this where the state subsidized?
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        car manufacturers in the world groan under the lack of microchips stopping massively factories

                        They are different chips.
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        microcontrollers all their own

                        Tesla manufactures microcontrollers? belay Busting ...
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Almost everything from seats to electronics.

                        I was interested quite deeply. Nothing. No, well, the shape of the seats is yes, it's easy.
                        Can you pamper me with a reference? Not to advertising sites.
                      9. -1
                        24 October 2021 17: 03
                        1) Powerwell is the battery.
                        And it directly states the residual capacity at the end of the warranty that the manufacturer guarantees. You can download and read on Tesla's website. Access there through VPN
                        2) No, there was an order from a local energy company and I mean its financial statement. The massive installation of subsidized homes in Australia is a different project.
                        3) Yep produces. And by the way, she also develops chips. Only it does not yet have its own chip factory. Well, it's understandable that it costs like almost all Tesla factories put together, and so many Tesla chips cannot yet be eaten. For example, the autopilot chip was developed by the company itself as an example.
                        4) And by the way, he even produces machines for himself as Grohman Avtomatika bought
                        https://tjournal.ru/flood/36935-tesla-priobretaet-grohmann-narashchivaet-proizvodstvo
                        5) In general, Musk still has a quirk on vertical integration, he even plans to extract lithium on his own.
                        https://www.interfax.ru/world/729146
                        Musk wants Tesla to take everything from resource extraction to recycling cars and batteries. That is, 100% of the entire life cycle from resource extraction to processing into new resources. Full circle. The same goes for SpaceX.
                        For example, they bought their own gas production rigs to refuel Starships.
                      10. 0
                        24 October 2021 18: 02
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Powerwell is the battery.

                        No. The battery is included in the Powerwell device. Because the outlet has alternating voltage and current, and the battery is of constant voltage and current, you have to coordinate and control the conversion. And this is not cheap, and the efficiency is not ideal. Almost all warranty coupons for any equipment indicate that the warranty does not apply to the battery.
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        You can download and read on the Tesla website

                        Was reading. Rave. Technically impossible. If you want, let's figure out together how it is there.
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        No, there was an order from a local energy company

                        As usual, the devil is in the details. It looks like we are each about his own. Does Tesla have orders from energy companies for years to come? I'm talking to you about the initial proposal for "install Powerwall in your apartment / house and make a profit", and you look like to me about energy companies. Where is it geographically located, this company? Are there thermal / hydro / nuclear power plants there? Benefit over what? I understand that there are places where there is no alternative to solar panels or diesels.
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Yeah produces. And by the way, she also develops chips. Only it does not yet have its own chip factory.

                        That is, it produces, only there is no factory. It happens ... It turns out that it does not produce.
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        For example, the autopilot chip was developed by the company itself as an example.

                        Again: what is specifically designed? The name of the chip where it is produced, etc. And, they have nowhere to produce ... Or have they just adapted third-party software to suit their needs?
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        he even plans to mine lithium on his own.

                        Yes, I read that he kind of patented the technology. Only the thing is that this method has been known for a long time, is not used due to its high cost / non-environmental friendliness, in general, the methods are easier to use, and, accordingly, it seems that no one has thought of patenting it.
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Musk wants

                        Yes, no one forbids wanting ... But there are a lot of things that are beautiful on paper, on closer examination, they are not ...
                        hi
                      11. 0
                        24 October 2021 18: 16
                        Quote: region58
                        patented technology

                        For the sake of curiosity, I have now scoured the Internet:
                        The method has not found wide application, since the degree of extraction of lithium from mineral raw materials is less, and the process time is higher in comparison with the classical sulfuric acid method.

                        Apparently, Tesla just patented another variation of this method (everyone is free to choose the process time / temperature / concentration / hardware performance), but there is nothing unique about it.
                      12. 0
                        24 October 2021 18: 21
                        1) So read the Powerwell warranty there it says it all. And it spreads.
                        By the way, I was mistaken there, the guarantee is 10 years, not 8.
                        2) The warranty is a legal document and has nothing to do with technology. This means that if it is guaranteed for 10 years, then Tesla is obliged under the contract to change the battery when the warranty conditions are reached.
                        3)
                        https://hightech.fm/2018/01/27/australia_tesla
                        4) Don't be confused. Microcontrollers manufactures. But Chipa is not. These are two different things. Tesla only develops chips, but does not. Microcontrollers and designs and makes. Read carefully.
                        5) Chip for autopilot, developed by Tesla, made by Samsung in Korea.
                        https://motor.ru/news/tesla-chip-23-04-2019.htm
                        And here's another new one for the supercomputer.
                        https://3dnews.ru/1047194/tesla-sozdala-7nm-protsessor-dlya-trenirovki-iskusstvennogo-intellekta-dlya-avtopilota-i-ne-tolko
                        6) The only thing is that Tesla wants to include everything in himself. And not what you say here. I'm talking about one thing, and you're talking about something completely different.
                        7) And again, completely by. I say that Tesla eats everything into itself. And he even said it was bad. You are not fighting there.
                      13. 0
                        24 October 2021 18: 40
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Don't be confused. Microcontrollers manufactures. But Chipa is not. These are two different things.

                        belay What's the difference? It would be curious to know. All the time, both I and my teachers in the past, and colleagues in the profession, and colleagues from other countries believed that a chip is one of the names of a microcircuit. And then such a turn ...
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        You are not fighting there.

                        Do I need it? Just an exchange of views.
                        PS How would you call this case:
                        The microcircuit covers an area of ​​260 mm², contains 6 billion transistors and 250 million logic gates.
                        On a common substrate, a dual neural module (72 TOPS computing cores with a frequency of 2,0 GHz are concentrated in two blocks) for working with machine learning, artificial intelligence tasks, a GPU with a frequency of 1 GHz and a performance of 600 GFLOPS (support for FP32 and FP64 computing), 12-core 64-bit Cortex-A72 processor with a frequency of 2,2 GHz, as well as two dedicated hardware security blocks, one of which is responsible for verifying the authenticity of the executable software code
                      14. 0
                        24 October 2021 19: 33
                        1 and 2
                        A typical microcontroller combines the functions of a processor and peripheral devices on a single chip, contains RAM and / or ROM. Basically, it is a single-chip computer capable of performing relatively simple tasks.

                        Differs from the microprocessor in the integrated I / O devices, timers and other peripheral devices
                      15. 0
                        24 October 2021 19: 47
                        Quote: BlackMokona
                        Typical microcontroller

                        Yeah, that is, in fact, it is a microcircuit. Yes
                        So is the chip.
                        PS Curb or curb?
                      16. 0
                        24 October 2021 19: 57
                        Well, they are usually divided. Moreover, considering that microcontrollers are usually very simple, made according to antediluvian technologies and perform the simplest tasks. And the chips are usually cooler, the tasks are more complicated and so on. Well, and the fact that the harness is not integrated, since everything is occupied by brains
                        Although you are terminologically correct.
                      17. 0
                        24 October 2021 19: 59
                        Curb or curb? wink Or you can get it in the eye ...
                        Sincerely. hi
                      18. 0
                        24 October 2021 20: 37
                        Then it's easier to divide like this. They cannot produce microcircuits according to advanced standards, they can according to the old ones. Their development of microcircuits is at the world level.
                      19. 0
                        24 October 2021 21: 58
                        Here again the details begin ... In my understanding, to produce is to make physically. And they do not have this. And no matter what technology. It's like with our "Baikal" - it seems that they were developed here, but manufactured by TSMC. So it is there: what is hidden under the word "we have developed" - only they know, either they themselves adapted something foreign for themselves, or attracted someone for development, maybe they themselves hired specialists, I do not exclude this option, well done in this case ... Honestly, I did not dig deeply what kind of microcircuits the car manufacturers lack, and on what it was assembled by Tesla. But the fact that the market for integrated circuits and semiconductors is sausage - it is.
                        PS
                        Quote: region58
                        On a common substrate, a double neural module

                        This is me just about Tesla Full Self-Driving Computer (FSDC), or Autopilot Hardware 3.0.

                        PPS About patents, at a glance: https: //science.d3.ru/patenty-tesla-motors-816724/? Sorting = rating
                        https://habr.com/ru/post/464839/
                        PPPS They, of course, are great, I admit it, but not what they want to appear.
                      20. 0
                        25 October 2021 07: 59
                        The dude just read the patent that is used to protect against patent trolling.
                        The easiest and most adequate way to understand who has the coolest technology is to compare cars from different manufacturers. For example Tesla Ex and Taikan.
                        So to say, if there is no technology, then why such a result?

                        And of course, Taikan does not even come close to 50% in electronics.
                        And what it took him to achieve such results to shove the gearbox. Which is not in Tesla.
                      21. 0
                        24 October 2021 16: 54
                        Quote: region58
                        the project itself does not become profitable from this.

                        I will clarify: cost-effective for the buyer of this miracle.
              2. -2
                22 October 2021 21: 44
                Most of Musk's projects ended in zilch, but this is modestly silent.

                Falcons fly? Fly! Astronauts are taking out into space? They are taking out! It turns out the trampoline works! laughing Are the starship building? They are already building 20 prototypes. Everything in front of the cameras, you can watch and envy 24 hours a day. Tesla is not even worth talking about, the sense is given, the whole world is switching to electric traction as a result.

                The cost of the Internet from Mask is $ 100 per month. No quality assurance. My internet costs $ 5 a month.

                So far, $ 100. This is a test period. It will become cheaper with time. You can't stretch the cables anywhere, but here the whole planet is covered. Satellite Internet is beyond the control of all kinds of totalitarian dictators. By the way, for some reason you don’t consider a competitor to Oneweb, whose satellites are being displayed by Rosskosmos, for some reason. lol

                The Starship will never land on Mars. ... Satellite Internet will never outperform terrestrial wired infrastructure. ... The bankruptcy of this venture is only a matter of time.

                Are you a fortune teller? Are you guessing on sugar cubes? laughing

                It's clear. Elon Musk sect))

                After all that Musk has already done, it looks strange when his opponents bury their heads in the sand! "Elon Musk sect"- shout from the AntiMask sect! Be patient, gentlemen, Musk, and others moving the world forward, will wet you mentally for a long time. Yes
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                  22 October 2021 22: 21
                  If you answer quotes, then answer the quotes accurately. I said that Musk has a lot of failed projects. This is the same fact as the falcon. So there is no need to play around. And speak in white, black. This is the first thing.
                  Secondly, it has long been disseminated that the only successful project is the mask, the falcon, is the result of the work of NASA specialists and their developments, and not the engineering genius of Musk.

                  Well, the Internet will always be under control. Any. Over the past year, the most advanced "democracy" in the world, the United States, has shown full-length what real censorship and control of the media is. Talking about the Internet outside the control of "dictators" is a teenage naivete. Or do you like corporate control better? Or does the control of fundamental liberalism smell better? Information is power. Nobody will let you dispose of it on your own. The time when the Internet was a new frontier is over, and will never return.
                  Well, as a technology, satellite internet is a good solution for remote areas, yes. As well as solar panels with wind turbines. There, the price does not matter anymore. Narrow-fish solutions. In megalopolises, cities and large settlements, he has no chance of making an interesting offer.
                  1. +1
                    23 October 2021 12: 05
                    I said that Musk has a lot of failed projects. This is the same fact as the falcon.

                    Musk seeks and finds great technical solutions! Of course, not everything goes well, this is normal and inevitable! This is the path to success! You can, of course, bet on failures, but this does not in any way put a shadow on Musk's successes!

                    Secondly, it has long been disseminated that the only successful project is the mask, the falcon, is the result of the work of NASA specialists and their developments, and not the engineering genius of Musk.

                    Musk undeniably possesses an extraordinary engineering genius, complemented by an extraordinary talent! And the fact that he probably crawled some NASA developments is quite normal. Everything new has under it some old groundwork. Nobody starts from scratch, there is no need to "open the back of America", that's all.

                    Well, the Internet will always be under control. Any.

                    It will be, it's just that the dictatorial regimes have total control and lead to repression.

                    Well, as a technology, satellite Internet is a good solution for remote areas, yes ... Uzkonishevye solutions.

                    At first glance, it is. But if we look at how cable telephones were supplanted by mobile phones, then there is something to think about.

                    Time will tell, but it flows at an accelerated pace, since science and technology have made a tremendous leap in recent decades. The world has changed, humanity is entering a new era. Whoever sits and practices with a thread will remain behind the shutters of history ... This is the law of evolution!
                    1. DMi
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                      23 October 2021 12: 28

                      It will be, it's just that the dictatorial regimes have total control and lead to repression.

                      There is no TOTAL control. It makes no difference who you will be controlled by the dictatorship or "democracy". They will be imprisoned and repressed in the same way. The showcase is now taking place in the United States and Australia.


                      At first glance, it is. But if we look at how cable telephones were supplanted by mobile phones, then there is something to think about.

                      Mobile communications are based on terrestrial infrastructure in the same way as a wired telephone. There is no fundamental difference. This is a relatively cheap and long-lived infrastructure, unlike satellites. There is nothing to think about. The result is already clear.


                      Musk undeniably possesses an extraordinary engineering genius, complemented by an extraordinary talent!

                      Does the mask have scientific articles and publications? Are the patents for his name registered? Did he make any discoveries himself, personally? If not, then he cannot be called an engineering genius. A manager and an entrepreneur may be controversial. But he is not an engineer, that's for sure.
                      1. -1
                        23 October 2021 14: 23
                        There is nothing to think about. The result is already clear. Everything is changing, the system has not really worked yet, but you have already drawn the result and everything is clear.
                        A manager and an entrepreneur may be controversial. But he is not an engineer, that's for sure.
                        He is an excellent entrepreneur, an organizer and an engineer, he is the same as managing a space production office without knowing the specifics of production and technology is simply not realistic - and the last word in everything remains with him as the owner and head of the company.
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                        0
                        23 October 2021 16: 19
                        How do you know who and how really makes a decision in the Musk company? Personally, after watching his interview, I got the impression of not being a very smart person who, in general, is not able to manage anything effectively.
                      3. 0
                        23 October 2021 15: 18
                        It makes no difference who you will be controlled by the dictatorship or "democracy".

                        You are very wrong! Dictatorship cuts off the society's ability to resist! Democracy is struggle, competition! Competition of engines of evolution, progress! Without it, regression sets in!

                        Mobile communications are based on terrestrial infrastructure in the same way as a wired telephone. There is no fundamental difference. This is a relatively cheap and long-lived infrastructure, unlike satellites. There is nothing to think about. The result is already clear.

                        The longest-living was when the news was carried on horses!


                        And also used "wireless" pigeons!


                        But their time is gone, and as time goes by much faster!

                        У МAsuka have scientific articles and publications? Are the patents for his name registered? Did he make any discoveries himself, personally? If not, then he cannot be called an engineering genius. A manager and an entrepreneur may be controversial. But he is not an engineer, that's for sure.

                        "Scientific articles and publications" and "engineering genius" are often completely different things! The Nobel laureate, who wrote a bunch of articles and publications, will not create and will raise a rocket in a thousand tons not a millimeter from the ground. An engineering genius with organizational talent and entrepreneurial flair will do it! By the way, there are thousands of patents registered with Musk's firms. These are high-tech developments, the product of collective labor of extremely talented people that Musk collected, organized, set them a goal!
                        Elon shared his business principles. Time has shown that they work:
                        1. Money is not the goal.
                        2. Follow the passion.
                        3. Set global goals.
                        4. Take risks.
                        5. Ignore the negative.
                        6. Have fun.
                        Such people are useful to the world - they move science and technology forward. Musk's immediate inventions are a computer game and a compact solar station. Further - joint work with teams of engineers. In the course of which, unique projects were born. And Musk guided their efforts, inspired and provided resources. The main thing in Elon Musk is not his direct inventions, but his perseverance and ability to work with life's failures. And undoubtedly Musk has the talent of an engineer, otherwise nothing from what he did and does would not have been possible!
                        There are technically outstanding personalities in Russia too! But Rogozin is definitely not one of them ... The difference is that in the Russian Federation they are not allowed to realize themselves, they put a million membranes in the way.
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                        23 October 2021 16: 20
                        I didn't even bother to read this pretentious sheet filled with stamps. It's just lazy.
                      5. 0
                        23 October 2021 16: 25
                        Just lazy.

                        While some are covered with hopeless laziness, others are working and getting results! Except for success in laziness, I can't wish you anything! Yes
                      6. DMi
                        -1
                        23 October 2021 18: 34
                        https://youtu.be/4xsrbEM8lnk
                        short biography of the "great" Mask
                      7. 0
                        23 October 2021 20: 29
                        short biography of the "great" Mask

                        You will find all sorts of things about every great person on the Internet. From complete denial to adoration. It is necessary to judge by the results, and Musk has them and they are phenomenal! As long as he and others like him make the future for the present, all you have to do is follow the links created for people like you. laughing
                      8. DMi
                        0
                        23 October 2021 20: 53
                        Well, as expected. The religious consciousness of primitive man has not gone anywhere. The old maxim always works "scratch a civilized person and you will always find a savage behind a thin layer of education."
                      9. 0
                        23 October 2021 22: 08
                        The religious consciousness of primitive man has not gone anywhere.

                        Belief in what did not happen, and disbelief in what happened, are manifestations of the same primordial religious consciousness. The denial of Musk's successes, with their obviousness in front of everyone, cannot be called anything else. laughing
                      10. DMi
                        0
                        23 October 2021 22: 27
                        These successes are NOT the Mask, he parasitizes on someone else's work, and other people's successes. You have to speak directly and briefly, otherwise you are apparently unable to understand. Where Musk gets in and does something on his own, there is always a failure. Your king is naked. And you will have to see it over time.
                      11. 0
                        24 October 2021 11: 21
                        These successes are NOT the Mask, he parasitizes on someone else's work, and other people's successes.

                        You have absolutely no elementary logic and understanding of the development of technology and science. All step on some kind of previous developments. The USSR and the USA set foot on the German ones, later China used the Soviet ones. The Russian Federation is still successfully using the developments of the USSR. Many other countries, and already private companies, have entered the club of space technology owners.
                        Where Musk gets in and does something on his own, there is always a failure.

                        It is characteristic of Musk that he is not afraid to take risks and go where others were careful. When you are a pioneer, failures happen. But Musk's successes can be seen, so far he has the world's only working reusable vertical launch and landing system. Its success is confirmed by the fact that other leading space powers have decided to start similar developments. It is difficult to argue with this, it is a fact, although there is an individual who is ready to frantically assert the opposite. This is their problem, a problem in the field of deviation psychology.
                        Your king is naked. And you will have to see it over time.

                        Goals Rogozin, and even the most stubborn will sooner or later see it.
                      12. DMi
                        0
                        24 October 2021 11: 29
                        Baby talk. From the content of this childish babble, I conclude that you have not studied the topic at all, and do not know anything except propaganda and advertising cliches on this topic.
                        You also have the audacity to talk about the logic and understanding of development processes)
                        Well, in general, for people like you, a screen called Elon Musk is made. Puppeteers clearly understand the level of thinking of most people, and how to feed you another fairy tale, so that you would not only believe, but also clapping enthusiastically into boats)
                        A pitiful sight, a heartbreaking sight (s)
                      13. 0
                        24 October 2021 15: 10
                        Elon Musk's answer to ill-wishers is more than convincing! Deeds speak better than mascot-haters chatter!
                      14. 0
                        24 October 2021 13: 18
                        Quote: DMi
                        A manager and an entrepreneur may be controversial. But he is not an engineer, that's for sure.

                        He is an outstanding marketer. That's all.
        2. 0
          25 October 2021 09: 16
          One problem is that it is so expensive to carry to the Moon and from the Moon that it is easier not to waste such resources on Earth, for example, just take and transfer the same miners.
      3. 0
        22 October 2021 14: 05
        Quote: DMi
        and the plebs encourages them

        With pitchforks and cobblestones.
  13. -3
    22 October 2021 12: 21
    I fully agree with the author. Moreover, having said "a", one should have said "b". Namely, the ISS and manned space stations in general. They are useless.

    For example, what scientific results can the Russian part of the ISS boast over 23 years of continuous presence in orbit? As far as I know, none.
    1. +1
      22 October 2021 13: 22
      So the Russian scientific module was only recently brought, all this time they worked without it. And then because of the cinema, its commissioning is postponed for a long time winked
      1. -2
        22 October 2021 13: 31
        Quote: BlackMokona
        So the scientific module Russian was only recently brought, all this time they worked without it.

        And what breakthrough scientific results can we expect from this module? Growing Chinese cabbage in zero gravity? Well, yes, the world will shudder.
        1. -2
          22 October 2021 13: 34
          Well, NASA has put on stream testing of various technologies for satellites, their elements, and various equipment for LSS and other things. And the mustache does not blow. Also, ours can deploy if they have time to the end of the ISS.
          1. 0
            22 October 2021 13: 46
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Well, NASA has put on stream testing of various technologies for satellites, their elements, and various equipment for LSS and other things.

            Various satellite technologies can be tested on satellites. Cheaper and more logical.

            Equipment for LSS is needed only if there is someone to provide. As soon as we realize that manned space exploration is useless, the need for LSS testing disappears by itself.
            1. 0
              22 October 2021 13: 48
              1. It is extremely difficult to just return new elements back for research. A ton of different devices were delivered to the ISS and everything was calmly tested. And they loaded it onto the satellite, and he took it and died. What exactly failed, how, why the riddle. If one per satellite, then many launches will be required, many separate satellites to develop, and so on. Don't just load the truck.
              2. Well, you can't live like that forever in a cradle, you need to expand. Otherwise we will eat up the Earth and the game over
              1. -2
                22 October 2021 13: 53
                Quote: BlackMokona
                1. It is extremely difficult to just return new elements back for research. A ton of different devices were delivered to the ISS and everything was calmly tested. And they loaded it onto the satellite, and he took it and died. What exactly failed, how, why the riddle.

                Test on an unmanned station. It will be much cheaper. There is no need to carry people back and forth and support LSS for them.

                Returning "new elements" back for research, if the need arises, is not "extremely difficult", but very simple. In the same way people are returned, only cheaper. Capsules with the film removed were returned during the reign of Tsar Pea. Our AMS brought soil from the moon.
                1. -1
                  22 October 2021 13: 55
                  Now there is a space station. And now we need cunning robots that will load, unload, repair the station and all that. And wait, that's exactly what the cosmonauts are doing. Since such cool repair robots have not yet been invented.

                  Such a return is much more expensive and consoling the satellite. Plus heavy loads for the returnable.
                  1. 0
                    22 October 2021 14: 43
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    Now there is a space station.

                    Only without people it will be much cheaper. If you need it at all, which I'm not sure about.

                    And now we need cunning robots that will load, unload, repair the station and all that.

                    Ordinary manipulators controlled by an operator from the ground. Nothing tricky will be required from them. I took out the module, inserted the module.

                    Such a return is much more expensive and consoling the satellite.

                    On the contrary, it is much cheaper than the return of astronauts. And this is not necessary so often. A huge number of satellites are perfectly tested and fly without any returns.
                    1. -1
                      22 October 2021 16: 20
                      1. And without people any element of your station will break down and that's it. It's time to drown. But it is much cheaper.
                      2.The ISS also has such manipulators. Only cosmonauts and astronauts are still doing their best, more than half of the time is the maintenance of the station and its repair.
                      3. Astronauts should rarely be returned. They can carry out hundreds of experiments in one watch.
  14. 0
    22 October 2021 12: 22
    Only a few scientists on business travel to the aforementioned Arctic / Antarctic, and hundreds of ordinary people just take a look.
    The manned space enters the same stage. So far, space tourism is the most meaningful answer to the question "why".
    1. DMi
      0
      22 October 2021 13: 15
      If they can afford to drive hundreds to "tour", then probably only dozens into orbit. This hype with tourism will end after half a dozen starts. For unprofitability. The same dead end as supersonic passenger aviation. There were mountains of enthusiastic expectations until they faced real demand and the real cost of flights and maintenance of equipment.
      1. -1
        22 October 2021 13: 29
        Quote: DMi
        This hype with tourism will end after half a dozen starts.

        Rather, after the first disaster.
  15. +3
    22 October 2021 12: 48
    > Man is so constructed that he is capable of doing something for the sake of the result, while the results of manned flights cannot yet be.

    Man is designed in such a way that he will find trillions of means of destruction, in order to guarantee to burn everything not 100, but 200 times, but in deep space he will talk about profitability.

    > We have no breakthroughs at the level of the 50s, and while there are no breakthroughs, expensive single flights will remain unprofitable.

    Fundamental tasks, actions and research are not cost-effective, but vital. Moon? Helium-3, iron and titanium oxides., Mars? The abundance of rare earth metals, a step into the future. If it is not important, then I do not know what is important.
  16. bar
    -5
    22 October 2021 13: 05
    I completely and completely agree with the author. Manned space exploration has long lost its meaning and has become exclusively a matter of prestige, no matter how sad it is. Yes, a huge breakthrough has been made in solving many biomedical problems. Yes, the problem of the long stay of man in space has been largely resolved. But what's the point of this stay? What discoveries have cosmonauts made in orbit to justify the gigantic investment of funds? What military tasks, which cannot be solved by uninhabited vehicles, can they solve? It has already come to the show with space tourism and artists ...
  17. 0
    22 October 2021 13: 06
    We do not have breakthroughs of the level of the 50s, and until they are there, expensive single flights will remain unprofitable.

    Everything has been said for a long time.
    A rocket with a chemical engine CANNOT master the solar system.
    Solo flights - yes, profitable development - no.
    And here neither socialism nor almighty masks will help.
    There will be a nuclear engine you will have a breakthrough.

    In general, if it were not for tens of trillions of dollars invested in personal computers, games and other Facebooks, humanity would already be on Mars.
    1. 0
      22 October 2021 13: 23
      Why not? wink
      1. 0
        22 October 2021 15: 28
        Why not?

        Insufficient energy.
        An expensive inert body, it is also fuel.
        The absence of an inert body on other planets, as a result, it is necessary to carry a double supply.
        Continue?
        1. -1
          22 October 2021 16: 17
          1. Sufficient to fly anywhere. Vaughn Voyagers and New Horizons beyond the solar system, flew away on chemistry.
          2. Fuel is less than 1% of the start-up price.
          3. Present in abundance. For methane and hydrogen rockets on almost all bodies in the solar system.
          Go on.
          1. 0
            24 October 2021 13: 54
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Voyagers and New Horizons beyond the solar system flew away on chemistry.

            So it's one way.
            Quote: BlackMokona
            For methane and hydrogen rockets on almost all bodies in the solar system.

            So it is so, just as if the whole plant did not have to be taken with you, for cleaning, refueling, and a lot of other things.
            But this is not a reason not to fly anywhere, here I absolutely agree with you. Yes
            1. +1
              24 October 2021 15: 58
              1. If you build a plant on site, then both are easy.
              2. So we want to explore space, or let tourists to Pluto?
              1. +1
                24 October 2021 16: 12
                Quote: BlackMokona
                This is how we want to explore space, or

                So I, too, in this regard, is also a romantic, and I still read (good) fiction, but when you look at what they are doing on Mother Earth ... In general, people turned off the road somewhere in the wrong place ... such a feeling. Yes
                1. +1
                  24 October 2021 16: 15
                  That is why if we are planning to build colonies and factories anyway. The need to build colonies and factories is not a disadvantage
                  1. +1
                    24 October 2021 16: 33
                    In this regard, I am only "for". drinks
    2. +2
      22 October 2021 13: 39
      Quote: bk316
      humanity would already be on Mars.

      Humanity has nothing to do on Mars. Absolutely dull place. Reddish stones. Nothing more. No grass, no worm, no water, no oxygen. From entertainment - dust storms and radiation. Sahara or Antarctica are parks of culture and recreation in comparison with Mars. Send colonists to Mars - in a week they will be sad, in a month they will be requested back. When they understand that there is no way back, they are outweighed.
      1. -2
        22 October 2021 13: 50
        So all this will appear with the colonists. And grass, and worms, and water with oxygen. Fortunately, there is a lot of ice there. Entertainment now with computers is not a problem to bring
        1. +1
          22 October 2021 14: 01
          Quote: BlackMokona
          So all this will appear with the colonists. And grass, and worms, and water with oxygen.

          It will not appear with any colonists. Until the emergence of real opportunities for terraforming planets, humanity is still a few hundred years at least.

          If you mean - they will appear within the limits of the Martian station - so wouldn't it be easier to create this station somewhere in the suburbs? The essence is the same, but much cheaper.

          Entertainment now with computers is not a problem to bring

          Why, sir? Isn't it easier to have fun on earth?
          1. 0
            22 October 2021 14: 20
            1) Nope, the problem is that the Moscow region is a Russian territory, with Russian laws and other things. And there you can wind up your own. As colonists who fled to America, they often disobey the laws of their countries for the sake of opportunity.
            2) There is a small fraction of humanity who do not really like home-office-home in a circle. And they want a frontier. And with him on Earth now there is a lot of tension.
            1. -1
              22 October 2021 14: 48
              Quote: BlackMokona
              And there you can wind up your own. As colonists who fled to America, they often disobey the laws of their countries for the sake of opportunity.

              Oh, please. At their own expense - even though every day let them fly to Mars and do not obey the laws there. The article is about state, budgetary astronautics.

              Quote: BlackMokona
              And they want a frontier. And with him on Earth now there is a lot of tension.

              There is no tension with the frontier. Look, the Pacific Ocean is empty for thousands of kilometers. Take a barge, tow it to the middle and fronte until you get bored. Although it will get bored, of course, very quickly. And it will be inexpensive compared to Mars.
              1. +1
                22 October 2021 16: 18
                1. So they plan at their own expense.
                2.No, no. In the Ocean, also imagine the laws of over 9000. Therefore, you will not swim there for a long time. Immediately arrested for violating the laws of navigation, illegal fishing and other things.
  18. -1
    22 October 2021 13: 16
    There is a wonderful novel by A. Azimov "The End of Eternity" about why mankind needs manned astronautics and how it will be hindered from developing.
    Happy reading, everyone!
  19. +1
    22 October 2021 13: 37
    In some ways you are right - but about the benefits one could think about.
    At one time, before the opening of the New World, European sovereigns endlessly washed each other for some miserable plots of land, here and there. It was a mouse fuss, diverting a bunch of resources, ultimately aimed at getting these resources and starting up a new mouse fuss for resources. Then they open the New World - and it turns out that there you can get incommensurable resources with less effort. The New World changed the rules of the game, made (for a while) the leaders of the state who were not among the leaders.
    In my opinion, this is a very good analogy for how expansion can generate income and change the established and projected alignments.
    For example, we have asteroids - some of them are literally "mountains of gold". At the moment, mining there looks expensive, difficult to sell and not profitable in general. But if a chain of research is carried out specifically in this direction, it may give a potential for profit.
    For example, we have Helium-3 - and although ITER is not even ready yet, the potential of thermonuclear fusion is not only clear, it is colossal, both from an environmental and energy point of view.
    For example, we have the opportunity to literally stake out completely fierce spaces on the same Mars or the Moon - with all their resources, in general, absolutely penny in comparison with this potential solutions. An analogy can be found here in the fate of Alaska, which we sold as an unnecessary thing and which the Americans still thought - whether to buy it or not. But, excuse me, this is a land - with resources, biological resources, water area, islands, this is a PRESENCE on another continent, in another hemisphere - etc., etc. On the time interval measured in a century from the moment of the sale - for the United States, this purchase has been repulsed many times. Perhaps the same is the case with Mars and the Moon and with the small bodies of the System.
    Investments in this area are investments in the overall increase in the quality of life, resource extraction and import substitution in difficult climatic conditions - that is, investments and technologies are in any case relevant for us, given the specifics of the mass of our territories.

    But, of course, all this is beyond the boundaries of the scale we have long been accustomed to.
  20. +1
    22 October 2021 14: 53
    In the current situation, space development is an incentive to "progress" if someone needs it.
  21. +2
    22 October 2021 15: 19
    Yes, it seems they are preparing the public for the next Roscosmos quirks.

    But in fact - sad philosophizing in an article without data, numbers, statistics.

    IMHO, manned space exploration expects a significant reduction in the cost of launches and logistical and technological justification. That kakby and goes on the sly.
    and the era of great geographical discoveries will be repeated, when first Columbus and merchants, then just ships made maps, and then began to divide and colonize massively ...

    And to spend billions just like that - there are no stupid ones. Here, as an example, the sea launch was built - and it is like a suitcase without a handle so far.
  22. BAI
    0
    22 October 2021 17: 08
    The bottom of the World Ocean is less studied than the lunar surface.
    1. 0
      22 October 2021 18: 40
      For this study, ABOs are created, including robotic ones.
  23. +1
    22 October 2021 20: 17
    Really, why? Why did the author publish this post? Everyone who is interested in this topic already knows this.
  24. +2
    23 October 2021 08: 45
    It's not like that at all. Manned space exploration is needed, especially into deep space - Mars is just the beginning. Humanity is obliged to master the galaxy, for such is its karma. And besides, the resources of the Earth are finite, but the growth of humanity, it seems, has no boundaries. And the colonization of planets is the best way to push the surplus people off the Earth. There is, of course, another way, much cheaper and more practical, but I will be damned for mentioning it.
  25. 0
    23 October 2021 08: 49
    As long as space remains the arena of military-political confrontation, manned space exploration will be alive.
    Until now, the "military" component of space can be estimated at 75%. Or even 80%.
    With all the mechanization, robotization and other "zations", the presence of a person will be not only necessary, but also decisive. Therefore, the phasing out of manned space exploration
    prematurely.
    Another thing is that economic affairs on the planet itself are clearly in decline.
    We can assume a certain pause in space expansion.
    The plan is the development and implementation of new economic strategies that will help build heaven on earth, the kingdom of the sun, universal hamadion, etc.
    At the same time, the development of new engines and propellers "on different physical principles."
    And as a consequence of the first and second, the resumption of space exploration both in terms of progress and as a new entertainment for man.
  26. 0
    23 October 2021 11: 02
    Quote: DenVB
    Quote: bycharashkO
    The United States paid for its lunar program only by selling licenses for the materials that were developed during the project.

    Isn't this a story?

    In particular, as an example. Teflon was given.

    Received in 1938.

    Now I looked in Wiki - indeed, 38 is indicated. You're right. I wrote what remained in my memory 30 years later - then it was very "hooked".
  27. 0
    23 October 2021 17: 13
    You don't need to send anyone to Mars. Send a robot there, let him plant apple trees there.
  28. 0
    23 October 2021 22: 51
    As I read that, after all, "the United States landed on the moon six times, dragged a bunch of stones from there ..."
    "Although the United States has its own clowns, both those who believe in the lunar conspiracy, and those who believe that Gagarin did not fly into space either."
    Especially outrageous and Gagarin dragged this populizer of fakes.
  29. 0
    24 October 2021 00: 40
    "The End of Manned Astronautics" sounds so ominous, as if hinting that we will end with it! As if we are somehow dependent on her?
    But then I looked at the photo and I had a question, the answer to which I did not look much in my head, although I managed to find some more or less explanation for some moments. But the question of how the ba remained unresolved. Therefore, I decided to formulate it more accurately and ask, or rather ask here.
    So, the photo at the beginning of the article is very clear and of high quality (unless it was taken in a studio). But if we recall a bunch of pictures with American astronauts on the Moon, then the question has acquired a specific bias. How did they shoot (themselves), what kind of equipment they used, how well it was protected from radiation (after all, open space!), What kind of protection was there from the lens, what kind of film was there (any special or not? )? Well, I confused myself with such aspects of photography in extremely harmful working conditions.
    Now, it seems, they have created a special photographic film that is not afraid (or not very much) of the effects of radiation, but then how were things? Now you can probably shoot without a film, but radiation is just as harmful to any equipment and which is designed to work in such harmful conditions. That is, I understand that in today's realities this is no longer such a serious problem.
    My question is only about that initial period of space exploration. It would be possible to look for information myself, but maybe there is someone who, if not related to this topic, then well versed in the question that interested me? Thanks everyone in advance.
  30. -1
    24 October 2021 07: 54
    That's all right. Currently, the meaning of space travel is zero. We are not able to explore and equip our Earth. The bottom of the oceans, Antarctica is worse than Mars, but much closer and more accessible, but also unknown.
  31. -1
    24 October 2021 09: 12
    A radical reduction in the cost and simplification of flights is needed, then development is possible. But since there are no prospects in this direction and are not foreseen, then space will remain the lot of corporations and the rich.
  32. 0
    24 October 2021 20: 21
    Quote: DenVB
    Impossible. I would know

    You know, but you hide it. Whatever you think is crazy)
  33. 0
    24 October 2021 20: 50
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Well, resources too, on Earth are finite

    Well, the resources of the sun are finite (there are still 4 billion years and winters left), as well as the galaxies and the universe. And in general, why does humanity live? They will also tell me to master the solar system or the galaxy or the universe with its scale. Even if wormholes really exist and a person masters the universe, and then? Oh yeah, I forgot about science fiction writers. There are parallel worlds or other universes, and so endless exploration of the universe. Then the author's question "why" may be relevant. Although to your own question, why does humanity live, there is a banal answer. Our parents did not ask when they decided to have children or the desire of a single woman. Or maybe humanity as a consumable for the achievement of other goals and other civilized creatures or the same robots watching a person. Robots that remained "alive" after the previous extinct universes. Considering the expansion theory. and then the compression of the universe. PS Eh, if you give free rein to fantasies or guesses ... and such an answer to the question of why humanity lives, as the desire of parents not to become lonely in old age without children. Based on this, humanity lives in order not to remain alone in the universe, in search of other civilizations.
  34. +1
    24 October 2021 21: 43
    Quote: vadimtt
    we will settle in the galaxy

    We or our descendants will settle in galaxies or we will be populated by other civilizations from other galaxies who also want to survive)
  35. 0
    24 October 2021 21: 47
    Quote: Vadim237
    China and the United States will settle people from Earth

    If the United States and China will allow them another civilization from another solar system or from another galaxy, which also want to survive and also settle)
  36. +2
    24 October 2021 21: 54
    Quote: Illanatol
    Any development, even on the Moon, is a planned unprofitable operation.

    If we base ourselves on the word "any" development, then wasn't the development of Siberia unprofitable IN THE BEGINNING?
  37. 0
    24 October 2021 21: 58
    Quote: Illanatol
    The Earth's orbit is better suited and cheaper.

    And shooting down weapons in Earth orbit is also cheaper than shooting down on the Moon)
    1. 0
      25 October 2021 13: 25
      So what?
      How long will it take for a Yadrenbaton rocket to fly from the Moon to a ground target?
      By then, the war will be over.
  38. 0
    24 October 2021 22: 12
    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
    Large flights and the development of planets, one country, one piece of the Earth cannot be pulled.

    If the goal of mankind is to master from the solar system further the galaxy and further the universe, then even all the united pieces of the Earth cannot be pulled, and only the unification of pieces of other civilizations from other solar systems can only be pulled)
    1. 0
      25 October 2021 13: 31
      We cannot yet master even Mars.
      How long does it take to fly to Mars?
      Even when our planets are close to each other.
      And when do they diverge, being on opposite sides of the Sun?
      In order to explore other planets, transport communication between them must be not only possible, but also regular. And if the intervals between flights are years - how can we talk about the survival of the colony on Mars? This is only possible in stupid Hollywood blockbusters.
      It is also not yet possible to provide sufficient anti-radiation protection for long flights.
  39. 0
    24 October 2021 23: 01
    Quote: DMi
    Did anyone calculate the cost of delivering fossils even from the moon?

    I counted, or rather began to count, but the computer overheated. Probably expensive) Although why bring fossils over the Earth? If from the same fossils to produce products directly on the moon, did you not count?
    1. 0
      25 October 2021 12: 46
      I will continue a little and develop your proposal: - And all the products manufactured there and sell to everyone! And what, why do we need additional hassle and expenses !? Yes, even if the Martians are lining up. )))
  40. 0
    25 October 2021 20: 39
    Quote: alystan
    I will continue a little and develop your proposal: - And all the manufactured products in the same place and sell to everyone! ...
    I will continue your offer with queues. Only you would like to clarify who are willing, and those who wish, in contrast to your grins with the Martians, are earthlings who are mastering the moon. So they will use the products directly on the Moon in the form of building new or next lunar stations or lunar bases from these products. Only you could compose or think of, bring building materials from the Earth for the construction of these stations and bases. Gee-gee. You managed to giggle no more. We are waiting for new reasons and essays from you to hahakat or giggle) It even became interesting. Yes, thank you for at least agreeing or acknowledging the production of products on the moon (waiting for your loud laughter) Gee-gee.
  41. 0
    25 October 2021 20: 52
    Quote: Illanatol
    So what?
    How long will it take for a Yadrenbaton rocket to fly from the Moon to a ground target?
    By then, the war will be over.

    By that time, a new weapon will be invented. Not that a laser, it's unlikely, but something new, given scientific progress for sure. As in the old fashioned way with rockets. For example, there are already scientific reports, if not theoretical developments on the delivery of energy from space or from orbit to Earth. And what prevents this energy from being used to the detriment of enemies. And for such an energy, even the distance from the Moon, why not. And the end of the war from such energy is really a matter of a matter of minutes.
  42. 0
    27 October 2021 16: 39
    The moon will still be explored. I think the Westerners will make some kind of base by 2050. Fly close, science opportunities are excellent. But about Mars - a manned flight there is a utopia even now. Long time, radiation, risks ...
    We need a transition to a new technological level.
  43. 0
    27 October 2021 18: 55
    I read the title. Neighing ... The end of WHAT ?! What is this hat?
    Author, emana ... What manned astronautics, what are you talking about? Ears wither. Several people are sitting on a huge can of fuel. They set fire from below, and on this cracker people fly up. If they try to pilot anything, they're all finished. If you are very, very lucky, everything will end in failure of the mission, and these guys will still land, destroying equipment worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and maybe even billions. What notable pilots! Cargo, damn it ...
    And now they are in orbit. They have half a glass of fuel and some compressed air. You can gently warm up. But very, very little! Otherwise, you will have to sit down, again without doing anything. And then thunderous with vodyanovy bloom and smell.
    Now we have to sit down. Braking about the atmosphere. I can see how proud pilots are steering the descent vehicle. Ugh, abyss ... Oh, yes, there were also shuttles! Which, instead of cargo, carried fuel into orbit on their own descent. From the devil to do. There were two buckets of fuel, so "piloting" there was a thimble, although it aroused respect. No corrections beyond the calculated ones. No ... nothing at all. The slightest deviation from the program, and the shuttle is lost.
    You can't finish what never began, author. You're delusional...
    1. 0
      22 January 2022 09: 36
      My friend, there is an established term "manned astronautics"
      This is just when it sits on top, and it is set on fire from below.
      Combat aircraft pilots have always neighed at "pilots" in manned astronautics.
      "Monkey" tied with straps and 100 people on the ground, watching how he farts ...
      But where does the author of the article?
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        22 January 2022 09: 42
        I know) However, I am engaged in the fact that I make complex (and not so)) systems work. And in my opinion stupidity is always stupidity. Despite the fact that this is an "old and well-deserved" term. As you probably remember, it doesn't get wiser with age. He just becomes an old fool...
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    28 October 2021 16: 19
    In the coming years, it is absolutely clear that the Americans will begin to explore the moon. Why is this necessary? The fact is that people are cramped on a small Earth. Capitalism seeks to get new markets, new horizons for development, and a huge space will give it. On the Moon, Mars, on the many dozen moons of Jupiter and Saturn, bases can be created on asteroids. Production will develop there. It is not necessary to deliver everything created to the Earth, on the contrary, the boundaries are expanding, the Earth is only sleeping quarters, and the rest is the Solar System thousands of times larger in size and resources. Robots will perform basic work, and people will repair, inspect, study, in a word, help all work. This space market will grow all the time and the one who is quicker can take a worthy place in it, and the rest will pay for all services, materials, equipment and delivery. Therefore, the demand for goods and services produced in Space will only grow. So far in Russia there are many people at the top who do not understand at all why we need Space. Meanwhile, even the military needs to think about it. If the Americans are able to deliver cargoes into space on a large scale and cheaper, then they will bring weapons there that can shoot down our missiles.
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      22 January 2022 09: 30
      Somewhere I already read it)
      Not at Belyaev?)))
      To begin with, it would be good to restore order on Earth, and only then rush somewhere else.
      And then they littered everything in their house and flew off to look for another, cleaner))
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    8 November 2021 23: 09
    It started. As if on command. A sad series of sketches on a fan about unnecessary space. A continuous pichalka .... How are you still alive with such and such a mood? ))))
  46. 0
    10 November 2021 12: 46
    You yourself are a clown. Cheap, sore, clichés of manipulation of consciousness.
  47. 0
    10 December 2021 19: 15
    Well now
    science fiction writers and enthusiastic youths, in one
    the voice will prove to the author how wrong he is :)
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    10 December 2021 22: 14
    Well, it's like in ancient times, they made a ship, the whole tribe didn't go hunting for half a year, they did it, they went out to sea, there was water all around, they did research, they pump, and that's all, that's when it became clear that there were a lot of bananas on the neighboring island, and even further and the mango grows, that's when they began to build ships, and so fuck this manned astronautics is not needed.
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    22 January 2022 09: 28
    All right!
    There is no point in the presence of people in orbit now, nor was it then.
    One measurement of superpowers with peeps.
    Similarly with the Moon, Mars and other nonsense.
    Clean politics and money laundering.