Stalin and corruption

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Stalin and corruption

Did they steal under Stalin? Of course yes. They have always stolen in all countries, they steal even now. The difference between the Stalin era and all the others is the increased personal responsibility of officials and the party apparatus. They were responsible for the quality of management. Hence the wonderful, amazing gave, the transformation of the Soviet state, its majestic ups and downs.

This is the personal merit of Stalin, who by his example showed all party members and officials how to live and work. He left behind not ten palaces or tens of billions in foreign banks, but a superpower that defeated Hitler's Europe. Thousands of real youth palaces, wonderful schools, creative houses, art and music schools. A society and youth that yearned for the stars, not the pubs and beaches abroad.



Under Khrushchev, responsibility was removed from the party and the state apparatus, and disintegration began, reaching a peak under the late Brezhnev and Gorbachev and ending in the disaster of 1991-1993.

Corruption and the fight against it


The word "corruption" comes from the Latin corrumpere "to corrupt" - corruptio "bribery, venality; spoilage, decomposition; corruption ". That is, this is the decomposition of society, venality, corruption of officials, their use of their power capabilities in their personal and narrow group interests.

In the tribal society, there was practically no corruption and theft, since everyone was in the public eye of the community members, and the "corrupted" were expelled, deprived of all rights, including the right to life. Outcasts usually didn't survive.

Corruption appeared in big cities, where it was possible to hide one's moral depravity and violation of the law.

Therefore, bribe-takers, money-lovers have existed since the very inception of human civilization. This is a mental disorder, a "sin" in religious terms. Thieves existed under princes and kings, under general secretaries and presidents.

The question is, what is the attitude to this social disease in society? Under princes and kings, thieves paid with body parts, for example, with ears or nose. For a major theft, they could take their lives. According to Pravda Yaroslav, the thieves had to pay a fine commensurate with the stolen property.

According to the Cathedral Code of 1649, the left ear was cut off for the first theft, the right ear for the second, and death for the third. Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich in 1653 abolished the death penalty for thieves and robbers. They were beaten with a whip, cut off the finger of their left hand and exiled to the Volga region and Siberia. Death was punished only for repeated crimes. True, a few years later the king again allowed the execution of the thieves, they were hanged. The thieves' legs and left hand were also cut off, and the severed limbs were nailed to trees, with the guilt of the offender written.

Peter I ordered to stigmatize thieves: they burned the letter "B" (thief) on their foreheads and cheeks. Such people were deprived of the right to appear in large cities. When the thief was recaptured, he was again branded and sent into exile for eternal life in Siberia. In prison, “tatey” could be tortured by extracting confessions from other episodes. With three robberies, they were "executed by death." True, Tsar Peter spared the greatest thief of the state - his friend Alexander Menshikov. He, even becoming a leading statesman and military leader in Russia, did not abandon the bad habit of youth.

In the 1863th century, thieves were no longer executed, but sent to hard labor. The stigma of criminals was abolished only in XNUMX. In Soviet Russia, such crimes began to be punished with prison terms.


"Gangster" Russia


After the collapse of the USSR, produced by the decayed ruling elite, contrary to the opinion of the people, at first, far from the best representatives of the former party and economic apparatus received power. Then they were joined by representatives of the "shadow economy", speculators, usurers and even outright bandits.

Russia has become part of the world capitalist system, dominated by materialism (the "golden calf"). A system is being created where literally everything is bought and sold. Including the human labor force (labor), its beauty, attractiveness (prostitution, as a manifestation of slavery), even children and individual organs. In the absence of a state-forming ideology, the domination of money became the main idea and motive of a person. The society was "spoiled". Even the church, which was supposed to be a stronghold of spirit and morality, quickly turned into a business project.

Thus, in the 1990s, a system was formed when a grandfather would be detained, fined, or even imprisoned for taking out deadwood from the forest for the stove. Meanwhile, representatives of the new thieves' "nobility" will export billions of rubles in gold from the country. Now experts say that hundreds of billions of dollars have been exported from Russia, possibly trillions of dollars.

There is a landmark series on this topic - "Gangster Petersburg". Thief Antibiotic notes the current situation as follows:

“In our time, Seryozha, you can steal a bicycle - and give all your health in prison, or you can steal in wagons - and always stay afloat. In Russia, stealing trains is much safer than bicycles, I'm telling you this specifically. "

Socialism and corruption


In the 1920s, corruption flourished in Soviet Russia. The "Nepmen" (like the "new Russians" of the 90s) found common interest both with outright bandits and with the new bureaucracy. The bureaucracy and the party apparatus quickly degenerated, turning into a new bourgeoisie. That is, if Russia continued to develop along the lines of the NEP, it would soon become an ordinary country of peripheral capitalism. Backward, with uneducated, poor and destitute popular masses and new nobility, prospering at the expense of the sale of raw materials. Hitler would have crushed such a Russia one or two times.

However, in the 1930s and early 1950s, everything changed. Everything necessary was done to stop the decomposition of society and the Soviet elite. The attack on corruption was carried out in all directions: from ideology to the police. "Corruption", "decomposition" was driven under the plinth, where it belongs. The main thing was the political will of the country's top leadership to eradicate this evil, relying on the healthy forces of the people. In the Soviet Union, a society of the future was created, a society of knowledge, service and creativity, free from vices and social diseases. It is worth noting that the common people felt this very well, and Stalin's policy enjoyed the powerful support of the masses.

Unfortunately, after the departure of the great leader (obviously, murder), everything gradually returned to the previous model. Khrushchev destroyed the increased personal responsibility of officials and party members. Moreover, in order to bribe the Soviet elite, he began to give them additional benefits and privileges. This was the beginning and favorable conditions for the disintegration of the Soviet elite. As a result, stagnation set in in the USSR, and the decomposition of society ended with the collapse of Soviet civilization and the state.

The Gorbachevites simply leaked the USSR, sold for "a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies." They could not bear the burden of the "Soviet man", they wished to be the new bourgeoisie - the nobility.

As a result, Russia slipped into peripheral wild capitalism with the features of a new feudalism.

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  1. +12
    20 October 2021 05: 21
    My grandmother said that during the war on the market it was possible to buy flour, cereals, butter, etc. it was traded. They were afraid, but traded ...
    1. +29
      20 October 2021 05: 35
      under JV Stalin, at least they were afraid .. and now openly, on a global scale, some, who have been hunching all their lives, have a pension of 12, others who only "privatized" lamas per day (hour). ..slava er.
      1. +23
        20 October 2021 05: 48
        Stalin and corruption

        Comparing with today's leaders, we can say that there was no corruption under Stalin.
        ==========
        There is one more plus. In the first country of developed socialism, for the theft of state property on an especially large scale, it was supposed:
        Article 93.1. Theft of state or public property on an especially large scale
        Theft of state or public property on an especially large scale, regardless of the method of theft (Articles 89-93), -
        shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of eight to fifteen years with confiscation of property, with or without exile, or the death penalty with confiscation of property.
        1. +7
          20 October 2021 07: 18
          Did they steal under Stalin? Of course yes. Stole

          If they steal like that now, then our governors and officials would simply be holy saints in comparison with the luxury that is now pouring out of them.
          1. -5
            20 October 2021 08: 47
            In our city, taxi drivers began to stick portraits of Stalin on the front.
            This is all that healthy men in our country are capable of. At this point, I propose to close the discussion.
            1. 0
              21 October 2021 08: 30
              What would it be like this:


              2045th. Former millionaire's revelations:

              https://youtu.be/OM1DQaKIVrA


              - then the discussion, and not only it - must be continued.
          2. +5
            20 October 2021 10: 52
            In 1937, not money, but patrons were allocated to fight corruption. That is why at the word "Troika" and "1937" the fighters for democracy start having diarrhea.
            1. +3
              20 October 2021 13: 20
              Quote: Old electrician
              In 1937, not money was allocated to fight corruption, but cartridges

              I understand that the metaphor about cartridges fits well next to "1937", but there is no need to demonize it. Read Chapter Three of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR "Official (service) crimes" (Articles 109-121). "Severe punishment" is not less than six months and from / to a year or two, three or five. Confiscation only in case of extortion and appropriation of especially valuable state property.
              So no need to fantasize about "cartridges".
              1. +5
                20 October 2021 14: 54
                Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                Read Chapter Three of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR "Official (service) crimes" (Articles 109-121). "Severe punishment" is not less than six months and from / to a year or two, three or five. Confiscation only in case of extortion and appropriation of especially valuable state property.

                There is one subtlety here - crimes that, in principle, should have gone under Chapter Three - such as waste, negligence, breakdown of work, etc. - an experienced investigator could sum up Chapter One: action aimed at overthrowing, undermining or weakening the power of the workers 'and peasants' councils and elected by them, on the basis of the Constitution of the USSR and the constitutions of the union republics, workers 'and peasants' governments of the USSR, union and autonomous republics, or to undermine or weaken the external security of the USSR and the main economic, political and national achievements of the proletarian revolution.
                And there the unforgettable 58-7 immediately pops up with her VMSZ to everyone, and let no one leave offended, and only in special cases at least three years with confiscation.
                Undermining of state industry, transport, trade, money circulation or the credit system, as well as cooperation, committed for counter-revolutionary purposes through the appropriate use of state institutions and enterprises or opposition to their normal activities, as well as the use of state institutions and enterprises or opposition to their activities, committed in the interests former owners or interested capitalist organizations, entail the measures of social protection specified in Art. 58-2 of this Code.
                1. +3
                  20 October 2021 17: 58
                  Hello, Alexey!
                  There is one subtlety here - crimes that, in principle, should have gone under Chapter Three - such as waste, negligence, breakdown of work, etc. - an experienced investigator could bring under Chapter One

                  And now there are subtleties of the opposite property.
                  The concept of “Corruption” appeared in our legal sphere only in December 2008 with the adoption of Federal Law No. 273-FZ “On Combating Corruption”. But in essence, this law did not bring anything new, it just attached a corresponding "label" to the already existing articles of the Criminal Code and introduced formal "anti-corruption" bureaucratic procedures for officials, such as mandatory declaration of income (with no expenses).
                  The following were classified as corrupt:
                  - abuse of office (Article 285),
                  - abuse of office (Article 286),
                  - receiving and giving a bribe (Article 290, Article 291),
                  - abuse of authority, commercial bribery (Articles 201, 204) - these two are not about state and municipal officials, but about businessmen.
                  That is, corruption has been reduced to eternal bribery and covetousness, although the main content of the concept of "corruption" is the coalescence of power and crime. After all, it is clear that it is impossible to steal budget millions alone; this requires a well-functioning multi-disciplinary mechanism, often a cross-border one.
                  And here is one more "subtlety". The Russian Federation signed the UN Convention against Corruption on December 9, 2003. On March 8, 2006, the Duma ratified it (40-FZ), but not in full. In particular, the provisions concerning illegal enrichment, confiscation of property and the extradition of corrupt officials on the basis of motivated representations of foreign states have not been ratified.
                  Result: you can snatch a billion or two from the budget, pay a million fine and serve a suspended sentence on a warm ocean shore, in a "modest" bungalow registered with your mother-in-law. And it is possible, and without any courts or fines, to transfer from the state seat to the semi-state one in some corporation.
                  What will an "experienced investigator" do about it?

                  Best regards,
                  Michael
                2. 0
                  20 October 2021 18: 21
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  There is one subtlety here - crimes that, in principle, should have gone under Chapter Three - such as waste, negligence, breakdown of work, etc. - an experienced investigator could bring under Chapter One

                  Yes, I do not for a second doubt the improvisational abilities of the fellow investigators. Well, let's say Article 125:
                  Assignment by religious or church organizations of administrative, judicial or other public law functions and rights of legal entities

                  It would seem - and the sanction - ugh, engineering staff up to six months or a fine of up to 300 rubles.
                  But as you noticed
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  an experienced investigator could bring under Chapter One

                  completely.
                  Are we talking about the norms of the law or the cleanliness of the performers? If about the second, then this burning topic finds a warm response in the local sect of Radical Hairdressers, who believe that the guillotine is the best remedy for dandruff. I am sometimes amazed by the flair of romance of revolvers, dusty helmets and other lubyanka, hovering over articles with the tag #stalin'37
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        2. -1
          20 October 2021 17: 19
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Stalin and corruption

          Comparing with today's leaders, we can say that there was no corruption under Stalin.
          ==========
          There is one more plus. In the first country of developed socialism, for the theft of state property on an especially large scale, it was supposed:
          Article 93.1. Theft of state or public property on an especially large scale
          Theft of state or public property on an especially large scale, regardless of the method of theft (Articles 89-93), -
          shall be punishable by imprisonment for a term of eight to fifteen years with confiscation of property, with or without exile, or the death penalty with confiscation of property.

          Flip through real Stalin-era theft cases. They stole in so many
        3. -4
          20 October 2021 19: 20
          There was no corruption in the USSR - probably because it was not because the censored media did not talk about it - as now from every iron.
      2. +5
        20 October 2021 08: 16
        Quote: Dead Day
        under J.V. Stalin, at least they were afraid ..

        And if you weren't afraid? Would you buy personal yachts, planes and palaces abroad? Billions were taken offshore? No, then they did not steal so much.
        1. +1
          21 October 2021 23: 28
          Quote: Stas157
          No, then they did not steal so much
          stole from much large volumes.
          So, for example, the head of the postal administration of Moscow, only transfers in 1934 stole 1,7 million (!!!!!!!) per quarter
          The maximum part was at that moment 600 rubles
          With any conversion method - even for the cost of tanks, even for dollars, even for gold - this is several tens of billions in current money
      3. -13
        20 October 2021 09: 48
        Quote: Dead Day
        under J.V. Stalin, at least they were afraid.

        who was afraid?

        One weak student on the front, during the Second World War, having married a student at the age of 18, received a chic Moscow apartment for a family nest, then cut across Moscow on a chic, exclusive "Tatra" In the most terrible time of the Second World War, the thieving brother organized countless unbridled drunken orgies with bl at dachas with shooting and explosions and victims, but he became the youngest general of the Red Army - this is not corruption, not.

        In 1946, in a devastated country with a starving earthen population, at will, in a wild place in the Caucasus mountains on a lake, the construction of a luxurious mansion decorated with valuable species of wood in 15 thousand m3 of volume with a 600 m3 floating veranda on the lake, with a huge park with fountains and alleys , own hydroelectric power station, boiler room, VKTS networks, special highway 20 km away, laid by explosions in the Kdache mountains, security houses, etc. Hundreds million rubles gone.

        and this is not corruption, not .. "They were afraid" ...
        1. +24
          20 October 2021 10: 16
          Quote: Olgovich
          In the most terrible time of the Second World War, the thieving brother organized countless unbridled drunken orgies with the bloc in the dachas with shooting and explosions and victims, but he became the youngest general of the Red Army

          The thieving brother really fought, the brother of the brother in captivity was killed by the Nazis. All the children of the then elite fought and died. Many of the elite did not want this, but the brother's father forced him. The father inherited only a superpower, I think we will forgive him this little defect (son and daughter). Against the background of the children of the current elite, we will definitely forgive. hi
        2. +6
          20 October 2021 10: 27
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Dead Day
          under J.V. Stalin, at least they were afraid.

          who was afraid?

          One weak student on the front, during the Second World War, having married a student at the age of 18, received a chic Moscow apartment for a family nest, then cut across Moscow on a chic, exclusive "Tatra" In the most terrible time of the Second World War, the thieving brother organized countless unbridled drunken orgies with bl at dachas with shooting and explosions and victims, but he became the youngest general of the Red Army - this is not corruption, not.

          In 1946, in a devastated country with a starving earthen population, at will, in a wild place in the Caucasus mountains on a lake, the construction of a luxurious mansion decorated with valuable species of wood in 15 thousand m3 of volume with a 600 m3 floating veranda on the lake, with a huge park with fountains and alleys , own hydroelectric power station, boiler room, VKTS networks, special highway 20 km away, laid by explosions in the Kdache mountains, security houses, etc. Hundreds million rubles gone.

          and this is not corruption, not .. "They were afraid" ...

          I think that there are more than two stories about today's representatives of the "elite" and their children! lol
        3. +2
          21 October 2021 10: 45
          Quote: Olgovich
          thieving brother in the worst time of the Second World War

          flew a fighter jet in battles without a parachute. I'm not sure that Olgovich could do that.
          1. 0
            21 October 2021 15: 20
            Quote: atos_kin
            flew a fighter jet in battles without a parachute

            he "flew" even without a fighter - in the terrible 1941: a set about him:
            Entered the house the spirit of drunken revelry. Guests came to Vasily: athletes, actors, his friends-pilots, and abundant libations were constantly arranged, the radio was thundering. There was fun, as if there was no war.

            Not corruption, not.
            Quote: atos_kin
            Not surethat Olgovich could do that.

            what to do now, where to run? belay request lol
      4. +2
        20 October 2021 11: 44
        Quote: Dead Day
        some, who have been hunching all their lives, have a pension of 12, others, only "

        Well, it depends on where and how they "hunched over", I'm sorry, I won't agree. My mother-in-law, the kingdom of heaven, worked as a cook for the last 23 years, before retirement, a hot shop, an area equated to the Far North, the pension was 23 with a trifle. Mother worked at a poultry farm as a poultry farm, Yevsinskaya poultry farm's pension is about 18 ... So who and how "hunched over" depended on many factors. For example, I have a pension of 33 with seniority in almost 29 calendar years, so of which I have 800 in the Far East, whose length of service is less, but the title is higher than a pension of 28 with a trifle ... If someone in his youth did not acquire knowledge to be with a normal profession, then no one is to blame ...
    2. -5
      20 October 2021 05: 42
      So the peasants themselves could produce a lot of cereals, flour, butter, etc.
      1. +2
        20 October 2021 08: 59
        Quote: Free Wind
        So the peasants themselves could produce a lot of cereals, flour

        Interesting! What could they have produced these products from?
        1. +5
          20 October 2021 09: 06
          What could they have produced these products from?

          From asphalt. They were urban peasants
          1. +3
            20 October 2021 09: 14
            I don't understand your humor. The peasant could only produce from what he grew on his land. Do you think that it was possible to produce grain on six hundred square meters?
            1. +2
              20 October 2021 11: 58
              The collective farmers had an average of 50 acres. But, I agree, this is not the scale for grain production. And in those years there were still individual farmers, they could cultivate up to several hectares, but they were subject to an increased agricultural tax.
              1. +1
                20 October 2021 13: 56
                Have you seen the size of a hectare of land live? Now the question is, how long will such an individual farmer in his free time on a horse or plowing hand-to-hand, sowing and doing other things necessary to harvest this hectare (and you are talking about several hectares). Here 10 acres of potatoes, then you will die without equipment to process and here about hectares)))
                1. +3
                  20 October 2021 15: 44
                  I come from the countryside.) Before the revolution, peasants had 7-8 dessiatines per family, somewhere less, somewhere more. We were in time. In the early 2000s, my parents and my sister and her husband planted more than a hectare of potatoes. Naturally, I came from the city with my wife, helped with the treatment of beetles and when cleaning. Once delivered 10 tons. Now my mother has four hundred square meters left under the potatoes. Health is not that good, potato buyers have stopped going into the wilderness a hundred kilometers from the regional center. It is more profitable for me to buy potatoes at the weekend fair. And there are, in my observation, much less potatoes.
                  1. +2
                    20 October 2021 17: 09
                    Hand-to-hand hectares to cultivate hectares for a long and hard time, and then it was not a private trader who was not particularly mixed up on a collective farm, hence it is logical to assume that the family and the wheat field could not take out the field of potatoes and flax for clothes and other feeds of the same horse (horses, by the way and they could take it because they are not in fists knocked out). Where is the hectare not a family as they write to us here in an article about 10 hectares? Unclear. At that time, up to the 50s, equipment was massively tight in most non-Potemkin villages even so. And my ancestors in Altai and personal cattle were forbidden to have more than 1 head of cattle and 1 ram (they hid offspring from activists in cellars and baths, and not only they, and I suspect that only in Altai at that time)
                    1. +2
                      20 October 2021 20: 46
                      According to the approximate charter of the agricultural cartel, it was allowed to have one head of cattle along with a calf, but sheep and (or) goats could have up to ten heads. Shepherds could keep more sheep or goats, and they could graze their cattle with the collective farm. The number of birds and rabbits was not limited. It was possible to keep a sow and a few piglets. There was another option, common in a later period, at the turn of the 70s and 80s, when a larger number of livestock could be raised in private farmsteads under an agreement with a collective farm or state farm, with the condition of subsequent sale to the farm. And so, since childhood, it seemed to me extremely unfair that, unlike the townspeople, a collective farmer or a state farm worker after a hard working day had to hunch back in a private household. To be honest, a significant part of the rural population did not have time to raise their cultural level, etc. I remember what kind of rejection among classmates was caused by demagogic appeals like "I choose a village to live in." Most were not going to stay in the village. And not because it was impossible to make money, it was just quite possible in the first half and mid-80s. But young people wanted a normalized working day, opportunities for leisure. Only the city could give it. Plus there was a real choice of work in the city. In most villages, the monopoly of collective farms and state farms, well, some worked at a school, club, post office, forestry.
                      1. +2
                        22 October 2021 07: 20
                        Sergei1972, you write everything correctly. I have half of my relatives, lived in the village. And you know, now a lot of smart young guys dream not about an expensive iPhone and a car, but about several hectares of land, in property and technology.
                        Recently, with colleagues, we were driving from a business trip and a guy, an agricultural student, was caught in the compartment. institute. He laid out to us in our conversation "I dream of the land and of John Deere." Our jaws dropped ... There are fools and lazy people, but there are also smart and hardworking ones.
                2. +3
                  20 October 2021 15: 50
                  Until the mid-80s, my parents, when they lived on a state farm, had 25 acres, when they moved to a collective farm, a herd of 50. On a collective farm, the norms were higher than on a state farm.
              2. +2
                20 October 2021 14: 08
                Recently I learned that men over 60 years old, women 55 years old, were not subject to agricultural tax. That is, people retired at 55-60 years old.
                1. +3
                  20 October 2021 15: 46
                  This was compensation for the lack of a pension for the collective farmers. Until the turn of 50-60 it was paid only in rich collective farms.
          2. +2
            20 October 2021 13: 52
            Ferapont Holovaty, a collective farmer - a peasant, bought a fighter plane in 1943 with his own money. I probably sold the asphalt ... fool
            1. +5
              20 October 2021 15: 15
              Quote: Free Wind
              Ferapont Holovaty, a collective farmer - a peasant, bought a fighter plane in 1943 with his own money. I probably sold the asphalt ... fool

              Ferapont Holovaty was a beekeeper artel. And this category of peasants in the USSR always earned much higher than average - in the Brezhnev years there was a story about a beekeeper trying to buy a helicopter. Specifically in 1942 - Golovaty brought 200 kg of honey to the market, the market price is 500-900 rubles / kg.
              With the same success, one can judge the wages of the average Soviet workers by the example of highly qualified specialists who worked on a piece-rate system of payment.
              And in general, Comrade Golovaty was not simple - a life-guardsman with three St. George's crosses and a first-comer.
              1. +2
                21 October 2021 23: 40
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Quote: Free Wind
                Ferapont Holovaty, a collective farmer - a peasant, bought a fighter plane in 1943 with his own money. I probably sold the asphalt ... fool

                Ferapont Holovaty was a beekeeper artel. And this category of peasants in the USSR always earned much higher than average - in the Brezhnev years there was a story about a beekeeper trying to buy a helicopter. Specifically in 1942 - Golovaty brought 200 kg of honey to the market, the market price is 500-900 rubles / kg.
                With the same success, one can judge the wages of the average Soviet workers by the example of highly qualified specialists who worked on a piece-rate system of payment.
                And in general, Comrade Golovaty was not simple - a life-guardsman with three St. George's crosses and a first-comer.

                When the first plane fell into disrepair - F.P. Golovaty gathered a collective farm meeting (he had already become chairman) and offered to raise money for a new plane. The meeting was unanimously silent ...
                Then he hacked "Damn you, I'll buy it myself !!"
                Then he took everything out of the house, including the winter clothes of his grandchildren and his St. George's crosses.
                But I collected it for the plane ...
    3. +3
      20 October 2021 05: 53
      Quote: Xlor
      Although for this they could easily put up against the wall (and they would have done the right thing!), But all the same, people with access to food products sold it. They were afraid, but traded ...

      I don't know what your grandmother told you, but in our Kemerovo flea market, they mostly changed ... Yes, in the late 50s and early 60s, it was impossible to sell new things (from the store) in the bazaar. And the market days were on Sunday, then all the hucksters were wooling. The article for speculation was valid.
    4. +11
      20 October 2021 06: 36
      Unfortunately, embezzlement and theft are present among people at all times, this is a dialectic. Another thing is that the "scope and flowering" of these vices is determined by the attitude towards him in society as a whole. Under socialism, this evil was fought seriously and mercilessly. But this process is long and difficult. The excesses of the initial stage gradually disappeared, but the growing complacency came to replace how a new community was created - the Soviet people, tolerance, manifested in collective re-education, bail. But the authorities were not very interested in the effectiveness of the latter, and the emotional assessments of people were followed by a reassuring answer: there is no need to exaggerate, the majority of citizens are good. What this led to is well known. The capitalist society is permeated with corruption, but it has been given a good-looking appearance, for example, in the United States this is a beautiful word - lobbyism, and only those who completely lose their "boundaries" are condemned. The illusion of absence of vice is also created by a powerful system of charity. on the part of the wealthy members of society, which in our country is based on the compassion of the majority of ordinary people. This is especially evident in fundraising for sick children.
      1. -1
        20 October 2021 20: 05
        Complaints about the quality of the tanks continued in the following months. In May 1942, there were reports that the unit was receiving T-34 tanks with cracks in the armor. After that, on June 5, 1942, the State Defense Committee (GKO) adopted a resolution "On improving the T-34 tanks." And the USSR Prosecutor's Office was instructed to identify the reasons for the release of the marriage. But hardly anyone expected that the investigation would produce such overwhelming results.
        Even before the start of the inspection, there was no doubt that one of the most important reasons for the release of defective tanks was poor nutrition of workers, because a weakened person is less accurate in work and more often makes mistakes. And the prosecutor's check showed that the workers of the Kirov plant evacuated to Chelyabinsk are malnourished because they are being devoured by their own plant management. On June 28, 1942, USSR Prosecutor Viktor Bochkov reported to Molotov, who was responsible for the tank industry in the State Defense Committee:

        "The investigation carried out by the USSR Prosecutor's Office established: in the first half of 1942, employees of the URS (Work Supply Department -" Vlast ") of the Kirov plant in Chelyabinsk squandered the standardized food stocks: meat and fish - 75 kg, fats - 133 kg, cereals - 13 kg, sugar - 824 kg, cheese - 3007 kg, etc. The illegal consumption of these products was carried out for special supplies (special rations) and meals for the plant's command staff, without cutting coupons from food cards. , several hundred people of the command staff of the plant received in the canteen and from the warehouse of the URS every month 2098 kg of meat, 1539 kg of butter, 15 kg of fish and caviar, 4 eggs and other products. "
        As the prosecutor of the USSR reported, the director of the plant, Zaltsman, did not forget himself:

        "At the beginning of 1942, Comrade Zaltsman moved from the Kirov plant to Nizhniy Tagil to the position of director of plant N183, and by his order, 9529 rubles worth of products were loaded into the car (at the expense of the Kirov plant). The products included: 50 kg of cereal, 25 kg of sugar, 100 kg of wheat flour, 20 liters of alcohol, meat products - 155 kg, 50 kg of butter, 40 kg of vermicelli, etc. In addition, 320 liters of rectified alcohol were taken from the production and technical funds of the plant, which through the URS was transferred to the director's canteen of the plant for drinking and was transported to apartments for individual employees of the plant. "

        In addition, as the investigators established, the URS workers, taking advantage of the situation, began to supply themselves and to supply their friends. Again from the food funds allocated for workers:

        "Taking advantage of such unlimited and illegal squandering of standardized products of workers' supply and the connivance of the director of the plant, comrade Zaltsman, the responsible workers of the URS plant - Bratnikov I.A., Leitman E.M., Medvedev A. turn, they squandered the rationed products according to notes, peculiar orders, etc. These employees of the URS were arrested and put on trial.
        As a result of the fact that such a significant amount of products from centralized funds was wasted, the workers of the Kirov plant were not fully stocked with their work cards. "

        Following the results of the investigation, the USSR prosecutor suggested to Molotov to punish Zaltsman and warn the other heads of enterprises and people's commissariats:

        "Reporting on the foregoing to your order, for my part, I believe that a strict penalty should be imposed on comrade Zaltsman for the illegal actions he has committed. Along with this, given that such facts can take place in other factories," he considered it would be advisable to issue a special decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR warning the people's commissars and heads of industrial enterprises about strict responsibility for the unauthorized establishment of additional supply standards at the expense of centralized rationed food funds. "

        However, Bochkov's proposal was somewhat late. Stalin, dissatisfied not only with the quality of the T-34, but also with the failure to fulfill the plan for their release, on July 1, 1942, removed Vyacheslav Malyshev from the post of People's Commissar of the Tank Industry, leaving him deputy chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR. Stalin appointed Isaac Zaltsman as the new people's commissar. A month later, the prosecutor's office established that most of the T-34 tanks with cracks in their armor were produced by the Kharkov plant N183, evacuated to Nizhny Tagil. Moreover, at a time when the plant was headed by a new People's Commissar.

        Probably enough. So they did not steal under St. Joseph and fought only on the way, the spray flew. Too lazy to look for an exact link, but only during the "conveyor belt" the General Prosecutor issued 17, EMNIP, resolutions on strengthening the fight against economic crimes. As for me, this means both the fact that there were enough crimes, and what the subordinates put on his decrees and instructions.
    5. +3
      20 October 2021 06: 44
      Yes it was.
      But in 1947, J.V. Stalin carried out a monetary reform, as a result of which heaps of money from thieves and speculators became just a heap of paper.
      1. -11
        20 October 2021 07: 48
        And the common people too. Once and there is no money
        1. +13
          20 October 2021 08: 27
          And the common people too. Once and there is no money

          Yes, if the "common man" could not explain where he got more than 10 rubles from. And the amount below this number was exchanged one to one.
          1. -5
            20 October 2021 11: 01
            Nope. If, for example, you had 100 rubles at home, then they turned into 10 rubles.
            For deposits in Sberbank, amounts up to 3 thousand rubles were also exchanged one to one, for deposits from 3 to 10 thousand rubles, savings were reduced by one third of the amount, for deposits over 10 thousand rubles, half of the amount was withdrawn. Those who kept money at home received one new ruble for ten old ones during the exchange.

            In general, you can see that rich speculators gave 50% of their savings, and ordinary people who did not have large savings to carry them to the bank 90%.
            1. +4
              20 October 2021 17: 28
              Nope. If, for example, you had 100 rubles at home, then they turned into 10 rubles.

              I explain. What you gave as an example is the 1961 denomination. Then, in new money, prices became 10 times less. Take a look at the price tags of books published before 1961 and after. And on the books of 1961 they even put a stamp - the new price is such and such. In 1947, there was an exchange of money without denomination, I also suggest looking at the price tags of books before and after 1947 - they are the same.
              1. -2
                20 October 2021 22: 24
                No, I just brought the reform of 1947. If you read again, you will find that there is no denomination, with it all the money is simply deprived of zeros. And all right there it is the confiscation of savings, depending on the amount and its location
                1. -2
                  21 October 2021 08: 00
                  then you will find that there is no denomination,

                  Quite right, I wrote about this - there was no denomination in 1947. The prices remained the same. Denomination is the deprivation of zeros. Literally, translated from Latin - a change in denomination. It extended to amounts over 10 rubles - if the owner of such an amount did not have a reasonable explanation, then they exchanged it for a new type of money in a ratio of 000 to 10. A very reasonable approach. And the prices remained the same.
                  1. 0
                    21 October 2021 08: 51
                    And if you had money at home, and not in a savings bank. That money was exchanged at the rate of 10 old ones, for one new ruble. That is, 90% of the cash is confiscated. Regardless of the amount of savings. They also did not take any explanations from anyone. Funds were simply confiscated from bank accounts according to the above rules.
                    If the account in the savings bank is up to 3 thousand rubles, the exchange is 1 to 1
                    If the bill was from 3 thousand to 10 thousand, then 33% was confiscated
                    If the bill was more than 10 thousand rubles, then 50% was confiscated.
                    Where did they come from and why you need absolutely the state did not care
                    1. +1
                      21 October 2021 08: 53
                      Firstly, there was no savings bank then, there was a savings bank. And secondly, my relatives did not have accounts in the savings bank at that time either. And they exchanged cash, which they had on hand. And they exchanged 1 for one. hi
                      1. -2
                        21 October 2021 08: 54
                        I am giving you the order of the state, official and publicly available now for viewing. If they were exchanged 1 to 1, this is a gross violation of the state decree. Since it clearly states that the exchange is 10 to 1.
                      2. 0
                        21 October 2021 18: 06
                        I am giving you the order of the state,

                        You bring nothing. Let's scan, then we'll talk. Still young, since you think that the Savings Bank was in 1947.
                      3. 0
                        21 October 2021 21: 17
                        You yourself wrote that you exchanged 10 thousand one to one, and underestimated the higher. Do you think that before the war, or during the war, you could earn such sums without stealing that you would have more than ten thousand? In addition, you are not aware of the fact that you paid not only in money, but also in bonds. There were also gold loan bonds, which were more valuable than money. It was possible to keep them for several decades and gradually exchange them for rubles at the same price as they were nominated. There were coupons that could be cut off and exchanged in a savings bank for money. In Leningrad, such things were done that, according to the law, even under Stalin there was no statute of limitations. They were caught even under Khrushchev and Brezhnev and they received the full program.
                      4. 0
                        22 October 2021 07: 45
                        Do you think that before the war, or during the war, you could have earned such sums without stealing that you could have more than ten thousand?

                        Some collective farmers, like Ferapont Golovaty, donated the money they earned for the production of aircraft (obviously more than 10 rubles), but there were others who simply saved them. This is about the ubiquitous "hard life on collective farms." Artists of the Bolshoi Theater handed over money for the plane jointly.
                  2. +1
                    21 October 2021 23: 49
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    ... And the prices remained the same.

                    Alas, prices have not remained the same ...
                    In the markets, they grew from 5 to 10 times ...
                    After the cards were canceled, everything was swept out to the market - the cards had fixed pre-war prices and the store could not just sell food - they needed coupons from the cards, and as soon as they were canceled, the store director stupidly entered the cost of food into the cashier and took out the products for outbid in 2-3 prices, and they traded them in the markets ...
                    It was the abolition of fixed-price cards that hurt the population.
                    That is why prices had to be lowered a year later - the population began to grumble ...
    6. +8
      20 October 2021 07: 50
      Quote: Xlor
      Although for this they could easily put up against the wall

      Stop lying, no "easy" and no "walls". Article 107 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR - from 5 with confiscation. During 1942-1943, 170 thousand citizens were attracted, convicted of speculation. The examination in accordance with the order of the Prosecutor of the USSR dated 05.05.1939 was carried out within 10 days. And in view of the evacuation processes that swept the country, the GKO was forced to publish the Post. 2342 of 25.09.1942/XNUMX/XNUMX "On the fight against bagging". The line militia was given the right to confiscate food items from passengers that exceeded the allowance. Employees of the railway and water transport, convicted of sacking, were brought to trial by the tribunals.
      I understand that it is very fashionable to whine about the lack of legality in the USSR and the bloody gebna that fired from revolvers right and left, yeah.
      1. +5
        20 October 2021 08: 23
        Stop lying, no "easy" and no "walls"

        Yes, and you’re enough to lie.
        During wartime, products sold on the market were, in most cases, stolen from military warehouses. And this is a completely different article. And no five years of confiscation will be enough here ...

        During 1942-1943, 170 thousand citizens were attracted, convicted of speculation

        This is just speculation. But before "speculating", the goods must be stolen from the warehouse, or bought back from the one who stole it. Here are two articles for you ...
        1. +2
          20 October 2021 08: 45
          Quote: Xlor
          This is just speculation. But before "speculating", the goods must be stolen from the warehouse, or bought back from the one who stole it. Here are two articles for you ...

          Art. 164 and 107 cumulatively.
          St.164:
          Buying knowingly stolen goods -
          imprisonment or corrective labor for up to six months or a fine of up to five hundred rubles.
          The same actions performed in the form of fishing -
          imprisonment for up to three years with confiscation of property.

          Where is the execution here?
          Theft, of course, is a separate law from 07.08.1932/XNUMX/XNUMX. But you, dear, spoke specifically about speculation, weren't you? Let's spy here too.
          1. +3
            20 October 2021 08: 50
            You, dear, spoke specifically about speculation

            Speculation raises a legitimate question - "where did you get it?"


            Where is the execution here?
            Theft, of course, is a separate law from 07.08.1932/XNUMX/XNUMX

            Remember I was talking about wartime, where different laws apply.
            1. 0
              20 October 2021 09: 07
              Quote: Xlor
              Speculation raises a legitimate question - "where did you get it?"

              The answer is "bought". For resale. Have an unfamiliar face, have not met before, had no business, looks like the actor Aleinikov, speaks with a South Russian accent, stutters. limps on his right leg. Or do you think that the investigation proceeds a priori from the consideration that any speculator in the bazaar is a plunderer and at the same time a distributor of stolen goods? No need to fantasize about "walls".
              1. +2
                20 October 2021 09: 14
                Or do you think that the investigation proceeds a priori from the consideration that any speculator in the bazaar is a plunderer and at the same time a distributor of stolen goods?

                In a planned economy, where goods are not sold freely, but are distributed, the seller standing in the bazaar is a speculator, a plunderer and at the same time a distributor of stolen goods. Except for the villager who raised it all or received it for his workdays. Well, impose on all this the conditions of wartime ...

                The answer is "bought"

                Rather - "bought"! From the word "buy-up" ... And again, put wartime here
                1. -2
                  20 October 2021 09: 43
                  Quote: Xlor
                  Well, impose on all this wartime conditions ...

                  Give any wartime law concerning speculation and ending by all means with a wall.
                  Quote: Xlor
                  Rather - "bought"! From the word "purchase" ...

                  Of course, Article 107 will be imputed - Buying up and resale by individuals for profit (speculation) of agricultural products and consumer goods -
                  deprivation of liberty for a period of at least five years, with full or partial confiscation of property.... What does it change? I was talking about the 107th.
                  Quote: Xlor
                  And again, superimpose wartime here

                  And again - provide a law, decree, regulation or any other normative document.
                  1. -4
                    20 October 2021 11: 16
                    will be charged with Article 107 - Buying and resale by individuals for profit (speculation) of agricultural products and consumer goods -
                    imprisonment for at least five years, with full or partial confiscation of property

                    You are probably reading diagonally. Then I will quote myself beloved one more time ...

                    But before "speculating", the goods must be stolen from the warehouse, or bought back from the one who stole it


                    What article do you think will apply to theft from military warehouses? Is it possible to hang sabotage? Easy!
                    1. +1
                      20 October 2021 11: 39
                      It's clear. You, apparently, have a bad idea of ​​the administration of justice in the USSR. In your matrix, a grandmother caught in the bazaar who was selling from under the counter, in principle, can be immediately dragged into a zugunder for embezzlement in especially large ones, espionage in favor of Romania and preparation of an assassination attempt on Comrade Stalin. You heaped everything together, although initially my line was to this:
                      Quote: Xlor
                      My grandmother told me that during the war it was possible to buy flour, cereals, butter, etc. on the market ...
                2. +1
                  20 October 2021 20: 31
                  Quote: Xlor
                  In a planned economy where goods are not sold freely

                  Nonsense. In 1940, the public sector was 60%, the rest was cooperative trade and the collective farm market. With the war, nothing changed, except for the introduction of cards in 1941. The commercial sector remained. They speculated in deficit - yes. Bought a piece of wool for 900r., right there, around the corner, resold for 3000.
              2. 0
                21 October 2021 21: 27
                Ashes are pounding on your heart. I don't know about wartime speculation, but I know about speculation before 1960. There was such a speculator, a yeast expert. When she was first caught in the bazaar, she got off with a fine. When she was picked up a second time, she received three years. Then she came ahead of schedule for exemplary behavior. But already at the end of 1959, she was caught for the third time. She didn't have a home, but she was soldered to Siberia for eight years. After serving, she stayed there, got married, gave birth to a son and returned to Moldova and already had money, earned money there. I bought a house well furnished in the fashion of the 70s, worked in a factory. But the soul could not stand it and she again threw herself into speculation. And there already the militia was commanded not by the Russians, but by the locals. They caught her together with the gypsies, the carpet trade. The house with the vineyard disappeared and the husband left, the son did not return to the city after the army. Once she came before leaving for Israel and was still worried whether they would find out in Israel that she was in prison and disappeared from the survey. Like in the movie, romance. Sold to jail, sold to jail.
        2. -2
          20 October 2021 14: 26
          A jar of stolen carcass. disguise as a piece of turnip? Problematic, isn't it? Slap the bag with your hand and everything is clear. The thief will be scary.
    7. +1
      20 October 2021 08: 24
      people with access to foodstuff traded it.

      The market has always existed. And the black market too. Even in besieged Leningrad. And it was not liquidated by a simple decree. The leadership understood this.
      1. -5
        20 October 2021 12: 48
        Quote: Aviator_
        The market has always existed. And the black market too. Even in besieged Leningrad.

        Market? Is always? Maybe the demand has always existed, but the supply did not always keep up with it?
        Quote: Aviator_
        And it was not possible to liquidate it by a simple decree. The leadership understood this.

        Throw away this demagoguery. The management understood everything, so currency speculation, drug dealing, prostitution were in their infancy ...
        Mahmo trohi, ale tilki for myself
        1. -3
          20 October 2021 19: 29
          "Throw away this demagogy. The leadership understood everything, so currency speculation, drug dealing, prostitution were in their infancy ..." - Yes, they were in their infancy.
          1. 0
            20 October 2021 19: 31
            Quote: Vadim237
            "Throw away this demagogy. The leadership understood everything, so currency speculation, drug dealing, prostitution were in their infancy ..." - Yes, they were in their infancy.

            I appreciate your efforts. Yes
        2. 0
          22 October 2021 00: 10
          Quote: ROSS 42
          therefore currency speculation, drug dealing, prostitution were in their infancy ...
          yeah ... in embryonic ... therefore in the UK armful articles on them were, and this is an iron sign of the presence of such a problem in society. What is not in society is not protected by an article in the Criminal Code.
          I pay special attention to the articles about debauchery with minors - to be honest, I am shocked by the scanty punishment

          UK RSFSR 1926
          currency
          59.12. Violation of the rules on foreign exchange transactions -
          for officials -
          imprisonment with strict isolation for a term of at least one year,
          and in the absence of the signs specified in Article 109 of this Code -
          disciplinary action:
          for individuals -
          a fine of up to three thousand rubles;
          in the case when it is established that a person is engaged in these operations in the form of fishing -
          imprisonment for a term of at least one year with confiscation of all or part of the property.


          Drug
          179. The preparation, storage and sale of highly active substances by persons who do not have a special permit for that, entail forced labor for up to six months or a fine of up to one thousand rubles.

          All sexual perversions
          51. Sexual intercourse with leggs who have not reached puberty, associated with molestation or satisfaction of sexual desire in perverted forms, -
          imprisonment up to eight years old.
          Sexual intercourse with persons who have not reached puberty, committed without the indicated aggravating signs, -
          imprisonment for up to three years.

          152. Corruption minors or minorscommitted by lecherous actions in relation to them -
          imprisonment up to five years.

          153. Sexual intercourse with the use of physical violence, threats, intimidation or using, by deceit, the helpless state of the injured person (rape) -
          imprisonment for up to five years.
          If the rape resulted in the suicide of the victim or was committed over a person who did not reach sexual maturity, or even at least reached such maturity, but by several persons, -
          imprisonment for up to eight years.

          154. Forcing a woman to have sexual intercourse or to satisfy sexual passion in a different form by a person in relation to whom the woman was financially or service dependent;
          imprisonment for up to five years.

          155. Coercion into prostitution, procuring, maintaining dens of debauchery, and recruiting women for prostitution-
          imprisonment for up to five years with confiscation of all or part of the property.
          1. 0
            22 October 2021 04: 53
            What is not in society is not protected by an article in the Criminal Code.

            It becomes clear to me that, unlike mine, your education is closer to legal. The biggest thing I had to face was working as a military interrogator.
            But here's an interesting point:
            Quote: your1970
            152. Corruption of minors or minors, committed by lecherous actions in relation to them, -
            imprisonment for up to five years.

            Are there many women involved under this article? Or do you think that this was not the case?
            Or today:
            Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 228. Illegal acquisition, storage, transportation, manufacture, processing of narcotic drugs, psychotropic substances or their analogues, as well as illegal acquisition, storage, transportation of plants containing narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances, or their parts containing narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances substances ...

            The article presupposes punishment for a drug addict who "illegally acquired", but if it is legal, then ???
            Or this:
            Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 241. Organization of prostitution
            (in the edition of the Federal Law from 08.12.2003 N 162-FZ)
            (see the text in the previous wording)
            1. Acts aimed at organizing prostitution by other persons, as well as the maintenance of dens for prostitution or the systematic provision of premises for prostitution -
            shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the wage or salary, or any other income of the convicted person for a period of one to three years, or compulsory labor for a term of up to five years, or imprisonment for the same term.

            In our country, only pimping is considered "illegal", but if the process takes place "with the consent" of both parties for a "fee" without intermediaries, is that ???
            ==========
            In the USSR, there was an article for sodomy:
            Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1960, which established the following: Article 121. Sodomy. Sexual intercourse between a man and a man (sodomy) is punishable by up to five years in prison. Sodomy committed with the use of physical violence, threats, or against a minor, or using the dependent position of the victim, is punishable by imprisonment for up to eight years.

            It was considered a shameful phenomenon, but !!!
            How many people who are in places "not so remote" were convicted under this article or there is no one in the zone ... ???
            ==========
            In the USSR, the Criminal Code stood guard over morality and helped to eradicate desires and needs unnatural to man. Or do you think that "cheating" your neighbor is in the order of things. Yes, in the Soviet Union there were flaws in terms of economic development (production of consumer goods). Perhaps because those who passed the laws and the developers of the plans were fully supported by the state, and did not face problems of everyday life. But, there was no general moral degradation in the country. Moreover, for "immorality" one could lose all posts and titles ... Yes
    8. +1
      20 October 2021 12: 35
      Your Grandmother told everything correctly. During the war, there was a rationed (by cards) supply of the population with food (and manufactured goods). But nobody canceled market trading ...

      In the same "rear" Udmurtia (Sarapul), in the market, "for BIG money", it was possible to buy quite OPENLY from a private peasant, eggs, butter, milk, etc., in a word, everything that his personal personal farming. There was no "deficit", but there were also "not many" buyers either ...

      But if he was selling "collective farm", or acquired "left" by cards, or, say, "candy - chocolates", then - "another matter."

      And those evacuated to the rear were allocated land plots and given out "seed". And they there, planted, for themselves, potatoes, tomatoes, cabbage (the last one was fermented for the winter) ...

      Front-line soldiers, who had the opportunity, sent to the rear, to family members, their "prodattests". And they, too, were buying goods quite legally ...
    9. 0
      21 October 2021 15: 55
      Quote: Xlor
      My grandmother told me that during the war it was possible to buy flour, cereals, butter, etc. on the market ... Although for this they could easily put up against the wall (and they would have done the right thing!), ...

      I didn't quite understand. The food markets worked according to the law, but it was impossible to sell butter, cereals, etc. on them? How is this even possible?
  2. -5
    20 October 2021 05: 26
    Materialism is a philosophical worldview, and capitalism is a social system in which all means of production belong to the ruling class. The main problem of corruption is the low level of culture and education.
    1. 0
      20 October 2021 05: 50
      What can be said with the greatest confidence ... the main element of corruption is ... MAN! for now, at least. Nobody has ever heard that an ATM would be tried for bribes! He "takes" money, but always according to the rules, and he transfers everything where it should be, he does not leave any fat for himself.
  3. -7
    20 October 2021 05: 46
    One of the favorite cowardly methodologies of the enemies of the communists after the seizure of the RSFSR by them is "and we have nothing to do with it, it was in the USSR too, we still clean up", including corruption. Yes, there is corruption in any country in the world, there was also in the USSR, the whole point is only in its scale.
    And the enemies of the communists, after their seizure of the RSFSR, created a State in which corruption is the basis of the System, officials, businessmen, repressive bodies have closely merged into one corrupt organized criminal group.
    1. +3
      20 October 2021 06: 25
      She was also in the USSR. At the resorts, masseurs for free could only slap on the ass once, for a triple they would already stretch everything. For the top five and kiss everything.
      1. -2
        20 October 2021 09: 07
        Quote: Free Wind
        She was also in the USSR. At the resorts, the masseurs could only slap the ass once for free,

        In my opinion, you are confusing an official with a hard worker. Corruption is corruption; spoilage, decomposition; molestation ") is a term that usually denotes the use of official their power and rights entrusted to him, as well as the authority, opportunities, connections associated with this official status for personal gain
        1. +3
          20 October 2021 14: 58
          Massage therapists give half of the catch to their boss for a lucrative position. Those give half to those who appointed them, prosecutors, cops, leading doctors. This as I understand it is not corruption, but hard workers or what? Butchers are everywhere, they are generally a separate caste. Like, Semyon, why does the pig have no neck? what is it to you, zhyraf? So those to whom these streams flocked, wanted power for themselves.
          1. 0
            22 October 2021 11: 32
            The husband gives the money to his wife so that she can manage the household, she gives it to the doctor, the doctor is the head. hospitals. Does your husband turn out to be a corrupt person? You will go so far. In China, according to your ideas, half of the population would have been put up against the wall long ago.
        2. +1
          21 October 2021 16: 25
          Quote: WIKI
          In my opinion, you are confusing an official with a hard worker ....... a term that usually denotes the use by an official of his power and rights entrusted to him, as well as associated with this official status of authority ...

          Federal Law of 25.12.2008 No. 273-FZ "On Combating Corruption" determines, that corruption is: abuse of office, bribery, bribe-taking, abuse of power, commercial bribery ...
          There are the following reasons for corrupt behavior:
          - tolerance of the population to manifestations of corruption;
          - weak legal awareness of citizens;
          - no fear of losing the benefit received in the future when checking the grounds for its acquisition;
          .......
          So; the psychology of this hard worker may even be the main cause of corruption. If in Japan or China a leader caught in a bribe shoots himself in the forehead, in our country he feels like a daring fellow. Their traditions of society are sound ... Generally speaking, there is something about corruption in a society that profiled their country in peacetime, and the security forces at one time - took a new oath instead of fulfilling the old one - this is ridiculous to the chickens!
      2. -4
        20 October 2021 13: 08
        By definition, there could be no "corruption" in the USSR.

        If, deliberately (in order to discredit the Soviet power) or through thoughtlessness, one does not equate corruption with banal bribery.

        Firstly, it could not be, because in the country of democracy, there were IN PRINCIPLELY "alternative" political forces capable of in their GROUP interests, someone to "corrupt" in power. For the purpose of lobbying their political and economic interests, DIFFERENT from the interests of the Soviet government.

        Secondly, it could not be, because in the USSR there was PEOPLE'S PROPERTY for the means of production, land and its subsoil ...

        Some risks of the emergence of political corruption appeared during the NEP period, in connection with the appearance of sufficiently significant capital in the hands of private bourgeois (owners, restaurants, shops, shops, etc.). "Directly" (ie through elections), because of their social origin and the fact that they were PRIVATE exploiters, they could not get into power.

        But now, "on the sly", "selectively feeding", SEPARATE representatives of power ON THE LOCATIONS (in the provinces and districts) - officials, small and medium-level party apparatchiks could ALREADY quite. This is already, alas, the PASSIVE SOCIAL ESSENCE of private-capitalist relations.

        That is to say - "playing long", to decompose the power on the ground. By the way, this is what STARTED to do ... This is, in fact, the BEGINNING of the process of "transition" to real corruption ...

        But the NEP was "covered up", carried out several "party purges" and the authorities removed the potential risks of a transition to corruption.

        By the way, the notorious "fish" business of the Brezhnev era is also just the theft of socialist property on an ESPECIALLY LARGE scale (more than 100 thousand were already "supposed" wall) and as part of an ORGANIZED CRIMINAL GROUP, by fraud. Not "corruption" at all, with the targeting of the aforementioned group, lobbying for the representation of their group interests in the government ...
        1. -1
          20 October 2021 19: 31
          It could not - and she was just the first in theory - but three times in practice.
          1. +1
            21 October 2021 11: 33
            And theory begins with a competent and objective definition of the concepts used. In our case, it is corruption. This time ...

            And the theory, in the context of the article under discussion, is quite FIRSTLY distinguished by:

            - "bribe", even accepted by an OFFICIAL (or a group of them) or given to an OFFICIAL (or their group), or, also, carried out by REPRESENTATIVES OF POWER, in order to obtain PERSONAL benefit, WITHOUT any goals and intentions to CHANGE the POLICY of the government

            и

            - "corruption", which may well "externally" manifest itself in the form of a bribe and be accompanied by the already mentioned personal benefit, but has the goal of "exchanging" the personal benefit of a corrupt person (or their group) and a corrupt subject (or their group) for lobbying favorable for their SOCIAL - GROUP interests CHANGES POLICY of power in any of the spheres of interest to this social group and at any level of government (federal, regional, municipal).

            Neither the aforementioned masseur massaging the ass to a vacationer, nor, even hypothetically, the "roofing" of the masseur, the head physician, nor the director of the sanatorium, nor his grandmother or domestic cat, nor even a "representative of the authorities" in the guise of any clerk of the district executive committee (if they share with him), when receiving a tip from a client, NO change to current policy is LOBBYED. And they are BANAL BRIBERS. Individual or as part of an organized group ...

            But now, if any of them, will "massage" the client's ass for a bribe received (or given) for the purpose of lobbying for POLICY CHANGES by the authorities in the field of health care and spa treatment, with the subsequent development and issuance of OFFICIAL offers to them, for example , the transfer of part of the assets and infrastructure in the aforementioned sphere, from the people's property to the hands of private capital, as well as foreign, then THIS will already be an example of REAL CORRUPTION.

            And "not to understand" this, even being "by status" a tram passenger, is impossible, by definition ...

            But now, quite deliberately, "not wanting to understand" is quite possible. What many are actively doing on this thread.

            With the aim, again, I repeat, to discredit the Soviet power, as such, by a banal and primitive manipulation of the "external similarity" of the "pictures" in question ...

            Like "under the Soviets" they took bribes (even officials), and "now", under capitalism they take bribes. And then there is a LIEUAL conclusion, which means that "there was corruption under the Soviets." And supposedly "there is no difference" ...
      3. 0
        20 October 2021 13: 50
        What does spa masseurs have to do with corruption? .. Do they corrupt the authorities by "massaging the ass"? ..

        Or, simply, from a vacationer, a banal bribe (analogue of a "tip" to a waiter in a pub) for an "increased" quality of the service paid for by the state tariff? ..
        1. +1
          20 October 2021 15: 12
          The masseur works for a salary of 100 rubles, plus 20 rubles a day for, so to speak, a tip, only he does not leave it for himself, but unfastens half of the heads to the doctor, for a lucrative position. Well, he further thanks his benefactors. Do you remember Bella Rudenko? so the heads of Moscow stores paid tribute to her every week.
          1. +1
            21 October 2021 11: 39
            Again...

            Let her at least the district's domestic hamster "tribute" to her ...

            But WHERE IS LOBBYING by the participants in the process of illicit enrichment of INTERESTS related to the CHANGE "in their favor" of the POWER POLICY (of any level) in one area or another? .. Once again ... Where is "that" corruption? ..
      4. +2
        20 October 2021 18: 14
        She was also in the USSR. At the resorts, masseurs for free could only slap on the ass once, for a triple they would already stretch everything. For the top five and kiss everything.

        This is not corruption: the massage therapist is not an official.
        1. -3
          20 October 2021 19: 34
          True - and the head physician who covers all this and takes tribute to which person?
          1. +2
            20 October 2021 20: 10
            and the head doctor

            And this is already bribery, i.e. in terms of modern Russian law - yes, corruption.
            But essentially - see above answer to post by Alexei RA
  4. +1
    20 October 2021 05: 52
    The main thing was the political will of the country's top leadership to eradicate this evil

    More precisely, you will not say!
  5. +12
    20 October 2021 05: 59
    the letter "B" (thief) was burned on the forehead and cheeks.
    They burned out ordinary people .. but not boyars, with princes .. Another bullshit, from Samsonov.
    1. +6
      20 October 2021 06: 15
      Like
      Under princes and kings, thieves paid with body parts, for example, ears or nose
      The same governors under the kings and princes were "feeding", where they took bribes quite openly. And the commoners - yes, they paid with body parts. For a much smaller scale of sins. Actually, it echoes very well with the present time - "friends of a friend" sit "at the feeding", and nothing happens to them except for a change of chair, but for commoners, yes, "everything is according to the law," they are weighed in full.
      1. +7
        20 October 2021 06: 28
        I like the story of A.P. Chekhov, where the wife is outraged by some common acquaintance who turned out to be a bribe taker. And the husband explains to her where she got "wealth" with his modest salary, and after listening, she leaves him ... to another room ... smile
    2. +5
      20 October 2021 07: 59
      Quote: parusnik
      Another bullshit, from Samsonov.

      For some reason, the Samsonov clan quickly switched from praising the Russian-Hyperborean civilization to licking Comrade Stalin and actively vilifying the rest.
      Auntie Tatra zadonatila?
      1. +4
        20 October 2021 08: 52
        Paragraph Epitafievich, is it you hi goodmore careful in mentioning our unforgettable star VO
        1. +3
          20 October 2021 09: 46
          Quote: Korax71
          more careful in mentioning our unforgettable star VO

          1. +5
            20 October 2021 09: 51
            laughing wink it's nice that people on VO do not disappear, whose comments are not only informative, but also very positive drinks
      2. -1
        20 October 2021 19: 38
        They already have one organized group formed under the heading "Tales and Tales of the USSR Every Day"
  6. -3
    20 October 2021 06: 27
    I may be wrong, but, in my opinion, at the end of the article there is a photograph of the Austrian actor David Bennent in his youth from the film "Tin Drum", based on the novel by Gunther Grass. If I'm wrong, the meaning of this photo at the end of the article is not clear early on ... Explain ...
    1. +9
      20 October 2021 06: 46
      Quote: North 2
      I may be wrong, but, in my opinion, at the end of the article there is a photograph of the Austrian actor David Bennent in his youth from the film "Tin Drum", based on the novel by Gunther Grass. If I'm wrong, the meaning of this photo at the end of the article is not clear early on ... Explain ...

      This is Sergei Tikhonov in the role of Bad Man from the film The Tale of the Boy-Kibalchish. (1964)
      1. +5
        20 October 2021 07: 02
        Exactly. He is also the "Leader of the Redskins" (not me laughing ) played in the short story)))
        1. +4
          20 October 2021 07: 04
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Exactly. He is also the "Leader of the Redskins" (not me laughing ) played in the short story)))

          Right. Just the opposite. First in the short story, and then, Bad Boy. hi
      2. +3
        20 October 2021 07: 31
        Thank you for the clarification
        1. +2
          20 October 2021 07: 33
          Quote: North 2
          Thank you for the clarification

          You're welcome! hi
          1. +1
            20 October 2021 08: 14
            Eh, youth!
    2. +3
      20 October 2021 08: 20
      Quote: north 2
      maybe I'm wrong, but, in my opinion, at the end of the article there is a photograph of an Austrian actor

      Yes, I found out too. Not just an actor, but an artist.
  7. +1
    20 October 2021 07: 07
    In the tribal society, there was practically no corruption and theft, since everyone was in the public eye of the community members, and the "corrupted" were expelled, deprived of all rights, including the right to life. Outcasts usually didn't survive.

    Corruption appeared in big cities, where it was possible to hide one's moral depravity and violation of the law.

    Therefore, bribe-takers, money-lovers have existed since the very inception of human civilization. This is a mental disorder, a "sin" in religious terms. Thieves existed under princes and kings, under general secretaries and presidents.

    Under the primitive communal system in the early stages, all "means of production", weapons for hunting, food and "clothing" were common, helping the wounded or sick in the tribe was a matter of survival and preservation of a member of the tribe.
    When surpluses appear in society, the division of labor, the accumulation of material values, the coexistence of people from different tribes, there is a desire (intent, subjective side) of criminal, quick enrichment (profit): to steal, rob, extort threats, bribery (the objective side of the crime).

    As long as there is private property in society, material values ​​that allow the acquisition of material wealth (the object of the crime), criminals (the subjects of the crime) will appear eager to get rich quick.

    Any ideology in society has not been cultivated, Western or Soviet type (creative), which at their core (like laws) are based on positive moral norms (do not kill, do not steal, etc.), customs and foundations, will always appear criminals, regardless of their social status and origin ...
    1. +2
      20 October 2021 07: 23
      Quote: Lynx2000
      As long as there is private property in society, material values ​​that allow the acquisition of material wealth (the object of the crime), criminals (the subjects of the crime) will appear eager to get rich quick.

      Any ideology in society has not been cultivated, Western or Soviet type (creative), which at their core (like laws) are based on positive moral norms (do not kill, do not steal, etc.), customs and foundations, will always appear criminals, regardless of their social status and origin ...

      In other words, is it just worth socializing property, abolishing material values ​​that allow you to acquire material wealth, or prohibiting the acquisition of these benefits, and crime will be eradicated?
      Did I understand correctly from your words that ideologies based on positive moral standards somehow contribute to the emergence of crime? Should they (ideologies and moral norms) also be canceled in order to eradicate crime?
      1. +1
        20 October 2021 07: 40
        Quote: A. Privalov
        In other words, is it just worth socializing property, abolishing material values ​​that allow you to acquire material wealth, or prohibiting the acquisition of these benefits, and crime will be eradicated?

        You turned everything upside down. I have described a historical example of the connection of a person's criminal inclinations with the historical periods of the development of the socio-political system.

        Quote: A. Privalov
        Did I understand correctly from your words that ideologies based on positive moral standards somehow contribute to the emergence of crime? Should they (ideologies and moral norms) also be canceled in order to eradicate crime?

        Again - twenty-five ?! Have you perverted everything again ?! It seems to be written simply, literally for you:
        in any society, moral norms, customs and foundations are cultivated that, from childhood, explain which actions are good and which are bad. But, always in any society there will be a percentage of people inclined to commit crimes.
        For you personally, have I expressed the opinion that moral norms should be abolished?
        Take an interest in Criminal Psychology.
        1. 0
          20 October 2021 07: 59
          Quote: Lynx2000
          You turned everything upside down.
          I only clearly showed the inconsistency of your statements.
          But your position is clear to me.
          Thank you.
          hi
          1. -1
            20 October 2021 11: 48
            Quote: A. Privalov
            I only clearly showed the inconsistency of your statements.
            But your position is clear to me.
            Thank you. hi

            what An interesting position to prove / show the inconsistency of the opinion (the difference from the statement, do you understand?) Of the opponent. For example, if I described a sunset, would you say that it is a sunrise?
            In general, your contra of my comment is untenable and showed nothing ...
            As other Roman jurists said, having expressed contra - justify. Yes

            PS Apart from theory, there is no practical experience of independent reconnaissance patrols.
        2. -3
          20 October 2021 09: 43

          Lynx2000 (Alexander)
          Today, 07: 40
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          Quote: A. Privalov
          In other words, is it just worth socializing property, abolishing material values ​​that allow you to acquire material wealth, or prohibiting the acquisition of these benefits, and crime will be eradicated?

          You turned everything upside down ...
          ... Again - twenty-five ?! ...
          This is his method, and it is useless to prove something to him.
    2. -6
      20 October 2021 08: 13
      Quote: Lynx2000
      As long as there is private property in society, material values ​​allowing to acquire material wealth (object of crime), criminals will appear

      Yeah, that's right - equality in poverty, marginal egalitarianism, rationing of physiological and spiritual needs, a powerful surveillance apparatus based on the mutual responsibility of informers - and crime will disappear, having lost its breeding ground. good
      1. +2
        20 October 2021 08: 58
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        Yeah, that's right - equality in poverty, marginal egalitarianism, rationing of physiological and spiritual needs, a powerful surveillance apparatus based on the mutual responsibility of informers - and crime will disappear, having lost its breeding ground.

        In such conditions, crime only flourishes. Criminals are civil servants from the security forces to the last manager. Everyone who has at least some kind of power in their hands. They levy dues on the population. I am sure that you are well aware of the precedents.
        1. +1
          20 October 2021 09: 53
          Quote: A. Privalov
          I am sure that you are well aware of the precedents.

          Oh yeah...)
          I do not quite understand the sociogenic theories of the emergence of vices, called bribery, money-grubbing, bribery, etc. Why their existence or absence (if possible) is made dependent on the social-polit. systems? Nonsense, in my opinion. The system is just a regulator that tightens the "wick".
          1. 0
            20 October 2021 10: 11
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            I do not quite understand the sociogenic theories of the emergence of vices, called bribery, money-grubbing, bribery, etc. Why their existence or absence is made dependent on the social-polit. systems?

            They are not clear to you alone. So you're in good company.
            In fact, Criminology deals with these issues. She studies the so-called "determinants of crime". These are complexes of phenomena, the combined action of which gives rise to crime.
            This doctrine is extremely confused, theoretical research does not provide a solid basis for practice, otherwise, crime would have been done away with long ago. But, something is certainly being done in this regard, research is being carried out, methods are being developed, protocols of execution appear. However, according to rumors, opposition to this comes mainly from those who are called to follow all this.
            1. -2
              20 October 2021 11: 30
              Quote: A. Privalov
              In fact, Criminology deals with these issues.

              Ahhh

              laughing
              I believe in the progress of applied brain science! Brain scientists will find, and brainsmen will learn to block the centers that generate the hormone of uncleanliness from officials.
              Remember Vinokur's ancient monologue (well, when he was still funny) about a plumber subjected to hypnosis - "I hate taking money ..."
              )))
              1. 0
                20 October 2021 15: 52
                Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                I believe in the progress of applied brain science! Brain scientists will find, and brainsmen will learn to block the centers that generate the hormone of uncleanliness from officials.
                Remember Vinokur's ancient monologue (well, when he was still funny) about a plumber subjected to hypnosis - "I hate taking money ..."
                )))

                I believe they will find a cure for stupidity,
                Thieves and bribe-takers will be healed completely.
                The only pity is to live in this beautiful time
                I don’t have to - neither to me, nor to you ...
          2. -1
            20 October 2021 14: 03
            Everything is correctly "put".

            But to me, the deliberate imitation by you, of a kind of "misunderstanding", is completely understandable. For you strongly "do not want" to see the PRINCIPAL difference between the PERSONAL-philistine vice (existing in ANY social system), the roots of which are in the banal "human" greed, envy, etc. And, specifically, manifested in DIFFERENT FORMS of bribery ...

            And a PUBLIC vice - corruption, that is, GENERATED precisely by GROUP INTERESTS (their DIFFERENCE) of various SOCIAL and POLITICAL groups.

            AND ILLEGAL lobbying by these GROUPS or their REPRESENTATIVES, their interests, incl. through Bribing representatives of DIFFERENT branches of government (executive, legislative, and ... judicial, yes, yes, including ...) ...

            This, in our times, is a fairly widespread and quite understandable, selfish "misunderstanding", the task of which is to "show" the layman that supposedly "it has always been like this" ... And "with advice", allegedly, too ...

            No. "Under the Soviets" it was not THIS ...
      2. 0
        22 October 2021 00: 20
        Quote: Ashes of Klaas
        Quote: Lynx2000
        As long as there is private property in society, material values ​​allowing to acquire material wealth (object of crime), criminals will appear

        Yeah, that's right - equality in poverty, marginal egalitarianism, rationing of physiological and spiritual needs, a powerful surveillance apparatus based on the mutual responsibility of informers - and crime will disappear, having lost its breeding ground. good

        This is not how it works. A huge number of crimes, but not all, are related to the economy. And if the economy is changed in such a way as to remove the economic basis of crime, then naturally crimes will also disappear. For example, if there is not enough bread and not enough for everyone, then it will be stolen, robbed, killed for its sake, it will be part of corruption schemes. If there is a lot of it, then it will largely lose its value and the number of crimes associated with it will sharply decrease, it will drop to almost zero.
  8. 0
    20 October 2021 07: 39
    Corruption cannot be completely defeated, but it is quite possible to reduce it. How? Take a look at China. And this is not the limit. You can look at Singapore. And if corrupt officials are imprisoned for 15 years with a complete confiscation of property from the entire family with a loss of rights for 10 years (except for those family members who help the investigation), then everything will be fine. How, for example, in the Germanic principalities, NOROT was taught not to pour slop into the streets? Very simply, the informer, upon confirmation of the denunciation, he received half of the property of the guilty person, the other half went to the treasury. If the denunciation was not confirmed, the informer received 20 lashes. And the brains of the Germans were set by their dukes very quickly. How were the British taught not to build houses on the sidewalk? Very simply, a spear was put across the saddle, and the horse walked in the middle of the street, if the spear touched a house, it was corny to be demolished. No excuses were accepted. Do you want to defeat corruption? Quite simply, any bribe-taker has a staff, among which there are offended and dissatisfied. Encourage denunciation and reward well for it. Of course, for a false denunciation - mercilessly punish. To potential bribe-takers shied away from their own shadow. To be afraid of their own children and relatives, not to mention subordinates. A subordinate who is offended in real or imaginary way towards a boss is an ideal source of compromising evidence against his superiors.
    1. +4
      20 October 2021 10: 48
      "The real fight against corruption starts when you put your best friend in jail. And you both will know why." This was said by the head of Singapore who was able to defeat corruption.
      In short, if you want to defeat corruption - start with yourself.
    2. +4
      20 October 2021 15: 42
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      You can look at Singapore. And if corrupt officials are imprisoned for 15 years with a complete confiscation of property from the entire family with a loss of rights for 10 years (except for those family members who help the investigation), then everything will be fine.

      Can. But the problem is that the overwhelming majority wants "Singapore as it is now" and is not at all ready to go through the entire forty-year path to present-day Singapore, along which the city-state led by Lee Kuan Yew. We begin now to introduce his methods of transition to a non-corruption society - right there will blaze up to the sky: Executioners! Satraps! Freedom Stranglers! ©
      Everyone is ready to live like in Singapore (and in the kind of Singapore that tourists see it as), but no one wants to be ready at any time of the day or night to be with their family for 72 hours in the police station on an anonymous denunciation of suspicion of corruption ...
      1. +1
        20 October 2021 17: 21
        You see, no one should ask anyone who wants or does not want. There are no miracles. Either total purges, but with the risk that you can thunder out on suspicion and prove that you are not a camel, or the country will turn ... into what it has become. You see, even in snuffy MEXICO, cops do not knock money off motorists with a yell "And you have a first-aid kit not according to the charter" and "But you raised it, we can go to court or give me 20 bucks and I did not see you." Yes, satraps, yes, infringements of civil rights. Mafia in Italy was defeated only by our Benya, Mussolini. And crime and corruption in Russia was defeated only by Stalin. What can we say about a country where even marshals (for example Zhukov) are corny looting. Say whatever you want about our generals, but none of our generals would waste such trifles. And there is no need to talk about "infringement of freedoms." In the US and Europe, at the moment, any medic can get a bunch of problems as soon as ANY nutty feminist accuses him of "inappropriate touching." It is easier for a company to fire a physician than to deal with it. And not only a physician. Companies are already instructing not to enter the elevator one-on-one with women. We already live in a society of total surveillance "There is no reason to think about the future. The past life is under the control of machines." Only they follow so that no one give God, did not say something politically not correct about LGBT, Chernomasic, Mexoto, Muslims, feminists, and other unwanted elements. So for the average citizen - nothing will change if the state starts to work like in China, Indonesia or under Stalin. But for bureaucrats, "democratically elected servants of the people," for capitalist entrepreneurs - yes, they will have fun. That is why they howl about "civil rights" and "freedom" ...
        1. -1
          20 October 2021 18: 35
          Quote: Baron Pardus
          And crime and corruption in Russia was defeated only by Stalin.

          Defeated crime?
          You got excited
          Defeat Corruption? Yes, everything was built on - you tell me, I tell you.
          The black market flourished.
          The nomenclature is the same under Stalin, special rations and special distributors, special canteens and polyclinics.
          The children of the apparatchiks lived as under communism, and the leaders themselves did the same.
          Stalin type left behind only boots and an overcoat. You can leave them when the whole country belongs to you and you don't pay for anything.
          To say that Stalin is not a corrupt official is the same as to say the same about the Kimov family. There is nothing for them to steal when everything is a priori their property, including the population.
    3. -3
      20 October 2021 19: 48
      "It is impossible to defeat corruption completely, but it is quite possible to reduce it. How? Just to deprive the very possibility of it, namely with the help of digital money and a strict tax audit, each and every income and expenses when they create AI on the Blockchain system for national accounting and tax authorities is it will be quite feasible all the money will be seen as to whom where how much for what and why.
    4. -1
      21 October 2021 11: 56
      The source of SYSTEM corruption is the CORE GROUP INTEREST (political, economic, etc.) of a particular social group.

      For this, this is not some kind of "specific corrupt person" or a group of them, but CAPITALISM, as such, AS A SOCIAL SYSTEM, by definition, OBJECTIVELY, GENERATING CORRUPTION and LOBBYING, incl. and ILLEGAL WAYS INTERESTS OF PRIVATE CAPITAL IN GOVERNMENT.

      And the example of China, in which, allegedly, according to the piggish delights of some characters, "under the communists" even "there are millionaires."

      And like "nothing" ... Like, - "they are fighting", and "they put them against the wall" ...

      So, this "example" is still too "young" to be referred to as a "sample" of something ...

      For the example, from the age of 30 - 35. AND ONLY. And this, frankly, is VERY LITTLE, in order to predict how all this "fun with capitalism" and "millionaires" for the PRC will turn out in the LONG-TERM plan. So far, the ruling CCP there has been more or less able to keep the "process" under control.

      But there are also corrupt officials in it. And even, let me remind you, there were potential "perestroika-Gorbachevs" too (remember the times of Tiananmen, when the then Chinese "Gorbachev" ran to the booth on the square "for negotiations"). Thank God, the "Chinese comrades" stopped him in time. So let's see ...
  9. -2
    20 October 2021 07: 49
    "Stalin and Corruption"

    So, where is .... article? belay recourse

    Not a word, not an example, not a law of that time on the stated topic, there is nothing in the "article".

    Minus.
    1. -1
      20 October 2021 08: 25
      Quote: Olgovich
      So, where is .... article?

      What for? Clickbait is guaranteed by the # stalin tag in the title.
  10. +1
    20 October 2021 07: 50
    All mixed up in a heap and horses and people and the rest.
  11. 0
    20 October 2021 08: 25
    Not any facts and documents, just idle talk.
    1. +1
      20 October 2021 08: 51
      Quote: Cartalon
      Not any facts and documents, just idle talk.

      How is this idle talk ??
  12. +4
    20 October 2021 08: 38
    Yes, the texture is not enough. Looks more like a detailed commentary than an analytical article. Although an excursion to the Cathedral Code is not bad. It was necessary to give the numbers of the number of people convicted for bribes under Stalin in dynamics by years, the average term, etc. ... It's damp so far.
  13. +2
    20 October 2021 09: 27
    Nonetheless, corruption remained under Stalin and flourished.
    EXTRACT FROM THE PROTOCOL OF INTERROGATION of the accused Rubinstein Naum Lvovich, ex. specially authorized by the NKVD of the Ukrainian SSR on July 10, 1937. “Huge state funds were spent on carousing and whims. I have already shown about the millionth repair of Balitsky's house [Balitsky V.A. in 1934 he became the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the Ukrainian SSR] and other expenses. I can add that the equipment of the Dnepr amusement vessel cost about 800 rubles. Each trip cost 000-5 thousand rubles ... "Hosta" dacha, "Dedovshchina" rest house, dachas in Odessa cost several million, and a very narrow circle of people, almost limited by our group, passed through them ... " Chekist VA Balitsky, who turned out to be a plunderer of socialist property, was shot on the day of his forty-fifth birthday, November 6, 27, at the Kommunarka training ground near Moscow. All these data are from the declassified archives of the special services (Central Branch Archives of the Security Service of Ukraine, archives, Fund 1937, inventory 13, storage unit 1, and the archival and accounting part of the Security Service of Ukraine for the Chernihiv region, cases P-408 and P-17740
    1. -1
      20 October 2021 15: 07
      Again...

      In the context of the aforementioned "state funds", this is not called "corruption", but STEALING (plundering) of SOCIALIST property. For which (in an ESPECIALLY LARGE size) and a special article on the Criminal Code "relied" ...

      For ALL STATE funds belong not to just an abstract "state" (as it is now, for example ...), but to the ALL Soviet PEOPLE. Paradoxical as it may seem, but to the very robbers, who launched their PERSONAL hand into the PUBLIC kakrman too ...

      But there is no smell of "corruption" here. For neither Rubinstein nor Balitsky, being the RSKHITITERS of social property from the department of the republican NKVD, pursued ANY group interests in the context of their representation in the government. And no one was "corrupted" in this regard ...
      1. -2
        20 October 2021 16: 06
        Oh, that's not necessary. Corruption is the use of an official position for personal gain. And you have reduced everything to bribes. The example of embezzlement has not gone, that there is corruption - yes, please - but what is it called that the children of all party bosses ended up in the Air Force? And all the polls in fighters? Corruption is the most natural! Moreover. mind you - massive.
        I just don't like it the same way when everyone starts to smear with the same color - no difference, black or white - this is nonsense! Under Stalin, there were VERY many villages precisely for corruption, which suggests that
        a) She was
        b) They fought with her
        c) But still, judging by the landings - it was massive
        And then - with what to compare. If with the daughter of Brezhnev, who stole even the Diamond Fund, then here the "saints of the 90s" will have a rest
        1. -1
          20 October 2021 20: 17
          Quote: Cowbra
          Oh, that's not necessary. Corruption is the use of an official position for personal gain. And you have reduced everything to bribes.

          In general, the definition of corruption was given by the People's Commissar of Justice Kurskiy in circular No. 97 "On the volume of the concept of a bribe" (1922). In the same year, a Commission for Combating Bribery was created. By the way, the poster at the beginning of the article is from 1923, just the time of the campaign. Demonstration trials, purges, personnel checks of the state apparatus, and, of course, the encouragement of snitching ... that is, the creation of information networks. It paid off. Bribery (in the classic definition of Kursk) was stifled by the mid-30s. Plus, a struggle was launched to cleanse the breeding ground - bureaucracy and others like that. But corruption has transformed. And in 1937, the OBKHSS GUM of the NKVD of the USSR was born. So I guess you and a colleague ABC-Schütze, in general, both pavas)
          hi
          1. -1
            21 October 2021 14: 00
            You see, the fact of the matter is that the People's Commissar of Justice Kurskiy mentioned by you, already under the WINNER of the Soviet power, gave the definition of "bribe", And not corruption ...

            And being not a stupid person, for sure, he did this not by accident, but perfectly understanding the PRINCIPAL SENSE, and therefore, the CONCEPTUAL difference of these definitions.

            Understanding perfectly well that under Soviet rule, where POWER and PROPERTY (on land, production and mineral resources) belong to the PEOPLE, "corruption" is NOT POSSIBLE BY DEFINITION.

            But, "bribery", including on the part of OFFICERS in POWER or clerks-executors, "with" her, as a banal selfish philistine vice ("human") is COMPLETELY possible ...

            It is IMPOSSIBLE to "eradicate" the last (that is, a bribe) COMPLETELY and FINALLY, UNDER ANY social system and NO MEASURES (even a "wall"), just as it is impossible to eradicate banal greed or envy.

            But it IS NECESSARY TO FIGHT her as a HUMAN vice (and not a systemic one) ACTIVELY and CONTINUOUSLY ...

            But to eradicate corruption by creating or restoring Soviet power is POSSIBLE COMPLETELY ...

            And here everything depends on the extent to which and in the spheres of activity, in the country, under Soviet rule, private capital will be legalized as a subject of economic activity ...
        2. -1
          21 October 2021 12: 03
          "Oh, that's not necessary. Corruption is the use of official position for personal gain. And you have reduced everything to bribes. ..."
          ******************************************************************************
          No need ...

          And "to bribes", just, brought EVERYTHING, it is you, not me. Putting bribery and corruption in one "semantic row". Read for yourself what you wrote in your "one sentence".

          Corruption is not just "exploitation" of official position.

          But the use of it EXACTLY in the INTENTION TO LOBBY certain changes in the POLITICS OF AUTHORITY (executive, legislative, judicial, etc.)
        3. 0
          22 October 2021 00: 07
          Quote: Cowbra
          then here the "saints of the 90s" will rest

          Are you generally sane? Compare the pitiful corruption of the Soviet era with the times when entire industries and agriculture went into private hands. Such theft as we have in the 90s is still to be found in history. Probably only the American colonists dealt better with the Indians.
          1. -1
            22 October 2021 00: 48
            Boy, your copper. if you are for "pathetic" - you barked, barked. Do you even know what Galina Brezhneva did? But the USSR, and even in the 90s, did not hamster the diamond fund - but Galya did it. So for you, pioneer - so that your horizons are wider and wider.
            For theft in the 90s ... There was no theft, but lawlessness. No, well, okay. when they grab you by the sleeve at the Lubyanka and offer you a solutan? 50 meters to the central station, well then already the FSB, guys - are they crazy? Well, not guys, there were always grandmothers trading. Two cops stand, hear, share the view we smoke. And I can tell you better.
            But that's okay. For the theft of Brovman. Do you even know about the cottages, such as the Round Lake? But I know that my grandfather was just a bonza in the Central Committee ... And it was like that by helicopter to bring them to rest. and on an air cushion - the border guards do not. but on the Klyazma and their seed roll, yeah
            1. +1
              22 October 2021 00: 53
              Imagine a pathetic one. And I do not need your liberal hysterics, I quite imagine the scale of theft. Against the background of what now millionaires and billionaires can afford for the stolen, let's call a spade a spade, money, it was tears.
              1. 0
                22 October 2021 01: 00
                O! I’m not being called a liberal until they were calling)
                PiSi - and what - very similar?
  14. +1
    20 October 2021 10: 01
    I support the article, but it is descriptive .. I respect Stalin .... but what to do?
    1. -2
      20 October 2021 15: 10
      To begin with, to restore Soviet power. Legal, parliamentary way ...

      Overcoming the inevitable and frantic resistance of corrupt officials, including ...
      1. -1
        22 October 2021 00: 10
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        To begin with, to restore Soviet power. Legal, parliamentary way ...

        Petty-bourgeois nonsense from the category of unscientific fantasy. Read Lenin. He wrote a hundred years ago why this is impossible.
        1. -1
          22 October 2021 13: 51
          And I not only "read", but also understood what I read ...

          How, in the context of the optimal ways and forms of changing the social formation, I understood well that the situation in Russia and the world "a hundred years ago" was POWERFUL than it is today ...

          You, "reading Lenin", did not notice this? ..

          For example, the fact that "a hundred years ago" the Bolsheviks were in an illegal position? .. And today, the communists work in parliament? possible? .. And, quite to myself, in a parliamentary way? ..

          And the fact that some of the winners then "played a point" to resolutely fight for the LEGALLY received VICTORY does not mean that such a situation in Russia will "never happen again" ...

          In any case, in my life, in general, I am non-partisan, but with brains, I treat this kind of "prophecies of the doomed" with healthy, dialectical humor ...

          You "prophesy", and we "will see" ... And it is boring, but persistent, to work continuously, building up the potential of supporters of the restoration of Soviet power. (Not to be confused with the so-called "restoration of the USSR."
          1. +1
            22 October 2021 19: 32
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            And today, the communists work in parliament?

            Good joke. What the hell is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation?
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            And I not only "read", but also understood what I read ...

            You don't understand a damn thing. Never, remember never, the bourgeoisie will not give up its capital and power without a fight. Therefore, your dreams about the possibility of communists to come to power through elections will remain dreams.
  15. +3
    20 October 2021 10: 08
    Question questions:
    How long will modern corrupt Russia last?
    Will it be devoured by covid or corruption, or both?
    1. +1
      20 October 2021 11: 02
      Let's do whatever it is, declare corrupt officials as lobbyists :))
  16. +3
    20 October 2021 10: 17
    What do you want.
    There is EDRO. There are Siloviks. There are bags of bills in garages, etc ...

    And there are cleaned up fighters against corruption, in various directions. From Sitting to "with a pipe to the back of the head"
    Moreover, smart people understood everything, and for example, the Goblin, periodically scolding for corruption, in every possible way avoids and cites examples from the authorities, and names and places of citizenship ...
    About petty liberals, about the insidious West - please ... and even about the already arrested officials - no, no ... (except when it is already completely impossible to keep silent ...)
    1. 0
      20 October 2021 11: 44
      Quote: Max1995
      and for example, the Goblin, periodically scolding for corruption, in every possible way avoids

      Bad example. This character is a resident of the country of Propagandonia.
  17. +2
    20 October 2021 11: 01
    And remember, and they wrote about this on the site, the famous case of a fake construction part, with a huge turnover of money at that time, and so on .. I was amazed when I found out how it could be with such total control !!
    1. 0
      22 October 2021 00: 36
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      And remember, and they wrote about this on the site, the famous case of a fake construction part, with a huge turnover of money at that time, and so on .. I was amazed when I found out how it could be with such total control !!
      - you still do not know that the local military commissar supplied recruits to this part, and the local NKVD officer checked them for participation in the policemen / punishers of Bandera ...
      Moreover, the commander of this fake unit - that only the best should serve him and periodically give them food ... For which they later suffered later lol
  18. 0
    20 October 2021 11: 20
    "If a state institution is not affected by corruption, then no one needs it."
    laughing
  19. -8
    20 October 2021 12: 39
    All this is generally a fairy tale - although the level of LITTLE corruption was probably seriously lower than it is now. And the level of BIG corruption was completely absent. But corruption blossomed and smelled on an unprecedented scale. MEDIUM.
    Let me explain. Little or grassroots corruption - this is when you take your child to school or put a relative in the hospital - and you want a specific school or hospital. Now this issue is solved by cunning people by "giving a paw" - then it was solved in this way much less often - small functionaries were better ideologically processed and more intimidated, so this issue was either not resolved, OR it was solved MORE DELICIOUSly through more subtle schemes, gifts OR through FAMILIARIES who are one step higher in the hierarchy, or across the party line. Thus, grassroots corruption was partly absorbed, partly penetrated to a higher level, partly transformed into less definable forms. In the conditions of a shortage of 30-40s-50s, barter bakshish "goods-services-services-goods" became an inseparable part between relations between people, taking into account the traditions of a significant part of the population of the Union and grassroots corruption masquerading as food and respect.
    Corruption is BIG - this is when you have some kind of large, clearly illegal problem - and you want to solve it by bribing. If grassroots corruption can move you in line for something where you already exist, or make a less definite but existing choice more definite, then LARGE corruption allows you to get inappropriate opportunities at the expense of the state and citizens and in large volumes. For example, get a large land plot for business or open your own enterprise, etc. However, the peculiarities of the USSR were such that the abundance of duplicate control, snitching and, in general, the centrifugal system built by the state (as well as the planned economy) sharply opposed not so much the mechanism of LARGE corruption as the sense from such enterprises. The general paranoid atmosphere and the constant witch-hunt created conditions when, even having resolved all the "questions" on the ground, you could still get into the field of vision at a higher level - and having resolved them there, even higher, and so on. Systematic cleansing of "enemies of the people" unpredictably renewed the command and control apparatus, and you would have to endlessly give your paw and find the keys to new faces, even more intimidated than the previous ones. So yes - there was no LARGE corruption in the USSR "kakbe". Before "Tsekhovikov". Immunity to it was given not so much by "order" as by poverty, fear, total control and real powerlessness of the population. As each of these areas improves, BIG corruption returns.
    Corruption MEDIUM - bloomed and smelled. Queues for housing, movie roles, the opportunity to "sit up" a competitor in work and creativity, the opportunity to be assigned to a better place of work, the ability to "get" the best goods or not fall into the millstones of the system - all these issues were resolved "on the spot", through " their little men "and not so much money as commodity relations. Or the conditional "respect" in the "Quid pro quo" system - "quid pro quo" served as the currency. Often it existed in an almost imperceptible and semi-legal semi-cultural form, so to speak, in the form of "how not to please a dear little man" and was perceived by the bulk of the population (yesterday's peasants or peasant children, the peoples of the Caucasus and Central Asia, etc.) not as corruption, but as " the ability to live and make connections. "

    It would be very naive to argue that this did not happen) It just existed in such graceful forms at times that it would be difficult to dig in! And yes - the dirtiest form of corruption - LARGE did not cut his eyes. That's the whole difference. The price for this difference was poverty, arbitrariness and lawlessness.
    1. 0
      21 October 2021 14: 08
      "The price for this difference was poverty, arbitrariness and lawlessness ...."
      *
      Well, in what way did the aforementioned "poverty", "arbitrariness" and "lack of rights" manifest themselves? ..

      In sanatoriums, ACCESSIBLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, for "ridiculous" prices for vouchers, for ALL WORKING? ..

      Or in the best in the world, children's cinema, say? .. And children's literature? .. With their LARGEST in the WORLD, circulation of books, at the MOST ACCESSIBLE prices for the POPULATION ?? ...

      Or in the notorious "shortage of consumer goods", WHAT IS THE REASON FOR FULL AND ABSOLUTE PAYMENT CAPACITY OF THE POPULATION, and not at all unemployment or "lack of money", due to the FULL AVAILABILITY of prices for goods for ALL workers? ..

      THIS IS ALL, it's called "poverty" huh? ..
      1. -4
        21 October 2021 14: 30
        "Poverty" - tell me please, did the inhabitants of communal apartments or barracks in large cities live richly? Despite the fact that they did not have the right (and therefore the opportunity) to purchase their own housing. Well, or for example, did the villagers live richly, who were driven into collective farms, leaving the insignificant household farm and taking away all the "superfluous" acquired by the family, while setting completely unthinkable norms from above? Look at the photographs of people of that time - their faces and clothes indicate that they lived in poverty - they did not have a surplus, from the word at all. Both the famine of the 1930s and the events preceding the NEP are proof that people, damn it, made ends meet)) What about the rationing system? Probably, and it was introduced out of abundance?

        "Arbitrariness" - I will not sing songs about millions of innocent convicts, etc. Stupidly three examples - read the story of Nikolai Ivanovich Vavilov, Sergei Pavlovich Korolev, Konstantin Konstantinovich Rokossovsky, etc. These are prominent people, scientific and historical figures without a drop of dirt. What does the system do to them, which, in your opinion, is devoid of "arbitrariness"? That's right, she will do them to the fullest. Breaks fingers, jaws, rotting away or almost rotting away in confinement.
        And comrades like Solomon Mikhoels are completely rolled over by a truck, sir. So let's not talk about "the most humane court", there are still older people for the most part ..

        "Lawlessness" - tell me please, is it not "lawlessness" to take away passports from collective farmers? But what about the fact that the column "relative of the enemy of the people" or "relative of a socially alien element" limited a completely uninvolved person in his rights FOR ALL LIFE? And triples courts are probably also an indicator of the high culture of the legal system? Ahhh, maybe forced collectivization or the withdrawal of products from farms were indicators of law?)

        The sanatoriums were really cool, there people compensated for the impossibility of both starting a dacha and going somewhere abroad, as well as the critical lack of infrastructure for free recreation - rest not how or where you want, "free people" but there and how the homeland will say.

        Well, yes, if you like to walk in formation and life becomes more and more fun from shouts of "Hurray!" - it was really nishtyak to live))))
        1. -2
          21 October 2021 16: 28
          Sorry, but you postponed the obvious and already "impassable" rotten stuff ...

          Poverty is when you use "your own money" (and others) to eat at most once a day. And even then, not always .. With a FULL ABUNDANCE of groceries in stores ...

          Poverty is when you (and others) have no roof over their heads ...

          Poverty is when you (and others) have only one pair of shoes (and even then, full of holes) and only one pair of leggings (and even then, many times darned) ...

          Poverty is when ALL OF THE LISTED IS A PRODUCTION and an OBJECTIVE CONSEQUENCE of yours, sharpened purely for the PRIVATE interest and PRIVATE profit of the SOCIAL ECONOMIC SYSTEM, and not its "remnants", which, NEW and PROGRESSIVE, changing your living system , SYSTEMICALLY AND GRANULARLY ELIMINATES ...

          In the context of "arbitrariness", you really better not "sing songs" and not tell fables about some "millions" of some "innocently convicted". T.N. The "perestroika" times, when all this opportunistic anti-Soviet rubbish poured from all channels, are long gone. And for the tongue-tied "Nobel laureate", the informer Vetrov, he is the "Vermont hermit", the PEOPLE have long determined the price ...

          Recognizing IV Stalin, in 2008, at the contest "Name of Russia" organized by YOU, by the way, as its winner. You, liars and cowards, were "ashamed" to accept the will of the PEOPLE, so to speak, before a certain "world community" ...

          But the "references" to the persons you specifically mentioned, to "cover" YOUR fairy tales (Sha is simpler than LIE) about some "millions", some "innocent" convicts, will obviously be LITTLE.

          Moreover, TWO OF the 4 you mentioned, ANY CLAIMS specifically against JV Stalin and a certain period of "Stalinist rule" HAVE NOT PRESENTED. And they did not support Khrushchev's anti-Stalinist, unfounded and opportunistic howls at the 20th Congress ...

          The mentioned "compulsory" collectivization is a COMPLETELY LEGAL alienation of KULATSK (that is, PRIVATE property exploiting PUBLIC labor, enemies of Soviet power) in favor of the WORKING SOCIETY. It is in the OBJECTIVE INTERESTS OF THE LABOR PEOPLE and SOCIETY that IS THE HIGHEST MANIFESTATION OF THE RIGHT.

          The notorious "confiscation" of passports, as well as the aforementioned "troikas" for ONLY 1 year, by the way, existed, and for this, not only could not PHYSICALLY destroy any "millions", but even elementary "repress", is not a TEMPORARY Phenomenon and historically OBJECTIVELY NECESSARY.

          And violations of the rule of law associated with this, by the way, were the Soviet power itself, and IN TIMELY, PUBLICLY CONDEMNED. AND AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, incl. and the media. Even "under Stalin" ...

          And those guilty of violations are punished. Incl. and the highest measure ...

          So, YOUR opportunistic, anti-Soviet "exposing services", moreover, without ANY OBJECTIVE and SCIENTIFIC analysis of the REASONS of the processes and events that took place, but only limited to banal savoring banderlogs, at the level of primitive "description", there is no need here.

          Your attempts to pass off the wishes of an average person for NEEDS look funny ...


          In particular, in the context of a kind of "free" rest. All the more so for the lovers of imported denim trousers and "unfinished" records so dear to the fans (by the way, I had ALL THIS AT THAT TIME in the ORIGINAL). Young for the sake of interest and stupidity ...

          And despite the fact that I was not any "nomenclature". But the salary, as a young specialist, was getting quite decent. And he could afford, without gaps in the budget and unnecessary running around, "fuck off" the farce of 180 rubles. for trousers "in the signet" and in the same "disks", for "fifty dollars".). This is about your whining about a certain "poverty" in the USSR ...

          As for the rest "abroad", are there really not enough MORGOV and you, citizens of "accusers" of a certain Soviet "bondage", to UNDERSTAND ELEMENTARY THINGS? ..

          The notorious "holiday abroad", as well as tourism "all over the world", ACCORDING TO MANDATORY, PREVIOUS INSURANCE DEMANDED. Indeed, in the USSR, the SYSTEM of FREE health care for the people was EVERYTHING built.

          So, for YOUR Wishlist, fry TENS OF THOUSANDS of YOUR asses at the resorts of Courchevel, Antalya and others, and PROVIDING YOU help, if you get sick there, get poisoned, the USSR will get into an accident, what should have PAYED IN CURRENCY earned by ALL PEOPLE? ...

          After all, THERE, there was no free health care, by the way ...

          By the way, the adversaries themselves, in particular, paid in CURRENCY for the treatment of their citizens in Soviet hospitals. I AM THE OBSERVER, and not just a "witness" ...

          Well Duc, that the lover of "free" rest behind the "hill" YOU PERSONALLY were ready to lay out, say, a THOUSAND bucks (at those rates) LEGALLY earned or acquired by YOU, for insurance, BEFORE you "go where I want" ?. ...

          Yes you are right...

          I like MY, in this case, the Soviet SYSTEM, I like to walk. But YOUR "democratic" HERD is not "free to roam" ...

          If only because the mentioned "system", BY LIMIT, unlike the herd, is a meaningful ORGANIZATION in which, prone to "free" and spontaneous fermentation here and there, rams are potentially unable to exist. Only people ...

          And the system looks much more aesthetically pleasing than your favorite - "democrats", a herd ...
          1. -3
            21 October 2021 18: 06
            That is, in fact, there is nothing to argue with what I have written, you, with the grace of a typical left, flow around all this and drive on with a smile and a cheerful song? Well, once we have already arrived - with such a fragmentary perception, I have no doubt that if you give you power, you will "bring it in" the second time.
            1. 0
              22 October 2021 14: 16
              "1. That is, in essence, what I have written, you have nothing to argue,

              2. ... with the grace of a typical left you flow around all this and drive on with a smile and a cheerful song? "
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              In fact, I told you that I was walking in a Soviet, meaningful system, where, as a mile, chaotic and "free" fermentation by your "democratic" herd. Flies, you know, as Nikolai Evgrafovich used to say, also "freely, they fly here and there" ...

              On "everything else." In fact, I will answer when you, in fact, write at least "something" ... Specifically about the mythical "vices" of the Soviet regime ... Supposedly something there or someone "strangled" ...

              With insurance, you are a fan of "free" fermentation "around the world" and rest "where I want", have you decided? ..

              For your treatment "over the hill", if you and other lovers of fermentation, go to the hospital there (even with banal diarrhea), WHO and WHAT had to pay? ..

              Soviet power, with ITS SYSTEM OF FREE for a citizen's pocket (which I emphasize) A health system of the glorious People's Commissar Semashko? .. CURRENCY? .. Ali, how? ..

              Or you, in a country with a well-organized financial system, really protected from crises and separating the internal and external markets, this currency "on your own", LEGALLY, WOULD be "earned" ...

              And if it's not a secret how? .. "Draining" Soviet, backed by GOLD, but "wooden" ruble, for printed, overseas "green"? ..

              Not ...

              I understand that the "connoisseurs of freedom", the current chatting with "branded" skis in Davos, say "on weekends" (mostly "out of season", prices are much lower in the year ...), much nicer than the Soviet ski season in the same Dombai ...

              Where in Soviet times, with the assistance of the "bosses" in production (who had previously agreed on vacations, because they traveled in groups of interests), with trade union discounts and assistance in acquiring "branded" equipment, and cadets of military schools, for free), brought down CROWDS of "not free "...

              Unsuspecting "about Davos" or "Antalya" ... What a horror ...
    2. 0
      9 January 2022 09: 27
      But actually, what do you have against this very corruption?
      What is this corruption in general?
      Nothing more than a manifestation of the notorious "private initiative" by an official and nothing more. An official uses his powers as a business resource to receive dividends in the form of bribes, kickbacks, entering into informal commodity-money relations with individuals and / or legal entities. That is, pursuing completely bourgeois goals for himself - his own enrichment.
      CORRUPTION IS A MANIFESTATION, THE GROWTH OF CAPITALISM.
      Are you against capitalism? Against private initiative? Against private property?
      I suspect not. So why did corruption not please you? After all, it was she who laid the foundation for market and democratic reforms, the fruits of which you are quite happy with, I suppose.
      1. +1
        9 January 2022 11: 51
        Corruption destroys the monolithic nature of not only that part of the laws that are "badly written", allowing this capitalism, you mentioned by you, to gnaw through the path to market relations and more adequate ways, implying more choice in the absence of damage (grassroots corruption, as a rule) - corruption also corrodes and quite a healthy part of the laws. For example, lovers of drunk driving and the way they are otmazyvat is also corruption, then how they get their rights again is also corruption, then how they knock down "drunk boys" is also corruption. When a group of bribed people covers up a large-scale theft of state funds or funds of citizens - and the person involved then disappears with the stolen goods - this is also corruption. Here we already have direct, non-abstract victims and direct damage.
        One type of corruption smoothly tends to flow into another - because in the process so-called "corruption ties" are formed - people clash first with the benefits you mentioned, then with mutual responsibility and a joint trace of illegal activity - their careers develop, the opportunities of each increase - and a dirty trail remains.
        The essence of the Law in its positive form is that it creates conditions for activity in predictable, stable conditions conducive to the development of the MOST. If this predictability is violated due to corruption, the very essence of the law, as an effective controlling and creative force, is destroyed, because it becomes possible through corruption mechanisms to obtain "super-rights" that sharply infringe on the standard right of everyone who comes into contact with the activities of the bribe-giver. There is nothing good here, by analogy with nature, even in a dead body, life boils, decomposing this body - now, from your point of view, this is good, because "life boils"?
  20. -5
    20 October 2021 14: 09
    He left behind not ten palaces or tens of billions in foreign banks, but a superpower that defeated Hitler's Europe.

    He left under forty million corpses behind him, and under ten without any warriors.
    1. +4
      20 October 2021 15: 03
      Well, judging by the fact that you are alive and were able to be born, Comrade Stalin did not complete it together with Comrade Beria.
      1. 0
        20 October 2021 16: 51
        Mass repression is Yezhov.
    2. +4
      20 October 2021 15: 32
      These are fake numbers !!!
      From Solzhe and other vral sources ... How not ashamed to quote any fullo !? It is enough to make a request in any Internet search engine!
      There were, of course, victims and undeserved ones! But only an order of magnitude less. In addition, out of those, according to historical documents, ~ 1,8 million were shot during the entire period from 21 to 56 on political charges - yes, not all were LAMPS. And many deserve what they got!
      1. -4
        20 October 2021 16: 50
        Hunger in 32-33 claimed 7 million lives, famine in 46-47 claimed the lives of 1-1,5 million people. Dekulakization, repression ...
    3. 0
      30 October 2021 14: 33
      Well, add 100 million more ...
      Let them believe !!
      Crap!
      1. 0
        30 October 2021 19: 53
        It's not a shame not to know, it's a shame not to be interested.
        Do not hesitate to ask.
        For example, the number of victims of famine in 32-33 is officially considered to be 7 million people.
        https://duma.consultant.ru/documents/955838?items=1&page=3
        Or are you from the barbel lovers sect and you are not interested in facts, do you just believe?
  21. +2
    20 October 2021 15: 24
    FACT!
    Later - the Soviet and, especially, the current government - THIEFS and CRIMINALS!
  22. -3
    20 October 2021 16: 18
    He left behind not ten palaces and tens of billions in foreign banks,

    Why did he need it? A dacha in the Moscow region, a palace in Abkhazia (who was, knows what I mean), a personal VIP train. After the war, he slept until noon, partying with members of the government lasted until 3 am. For a fig with such a life tens of billions in foreign banks? ))
  23. +2
    20 October 2021 17: 17
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Dead Day
    under J.V. Stalin, at least they were afraid.

    who was afraid?

    One weak student on the front, during the Second World War, having married a student at the age of 18, received a chic Moscow apartment for a family nest, then cut across Moscow on a chic, exclusive "Tatra" In the most terrible time of the Second World War, the thieving brother organized countless unbridled drunken orgies with bl at dachas with shooting and explosions and victims, but he became the youngest general of the Red Army - this is not corruption, not.

    In 1946, in a devastated country with a starving earthen population, at will, in a wild place in the Caucasus mountains on a lake, the construction of a luxurious mansion decorated with valuable species of wood in 15 thousand m3 of volume with a 600 m3 floating veranda on the lake, with a huge park with fountains and alleys , own hydroelectric power station, boiler room, VKTS networks, special highway 20 km away, laid by explosions in the Kdache mountains, security houses, etc. Hundreds million rubles gone.

    and this is not corruption, not .. "They were afraid" ...

    Who exactly is this to the whole USSR? do you have a surname? some kind of nonsense.
    and was the dacha privately owned? or is it state?
  24. +3
    20 October 2021 17: 21
    According to the Cathedral Code of 1649, the left ear was cut off for the first theft, the right ear for the second, and death for the third. Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich in 1653 abolished the death penalty for thieves and robbers. They were beaten with a whip, cut off the finger of their left hand and exiled to the Volga region and Siberia. Death was punished only for repeated crimes. True, a few years later the king again allowed the execution of the thieves, they were hanged. The thieves' legs and left hand were also cut off, and the severed limbs were nailed to trees, with the guilt of the offender written.
    Peter I ordered to stigmatize thieves: they burned the letter "B" (thief) on their foreheads and cheeks.

    The author did not understand the terms.
    "Thief", "theft" - there are no such words in modern laws and codes. There is "theft", "theft", i.e. secret, covert seizure of other people's property.
    But in Russia the word "thief" was used to describe those who committed a crime against the state. And it was these criminals who were branded with the letter "B".
    And after that, the sovereign pointed out under Yelets to go to Prince Mikhail Kashin in Novosil; and Prince Mikhail was not allowed into Novosil. and they kissed the cross to the thief, whom he called himself Tsarevich Dmitry, and Prince Mikhailo came to Tula. And after that, Prince Ivan Mikhailovich Vorotynskoy came to Tula, and from Tula came to Moscow. And they stole everything from the cities, kissed the cross to the thief.

    Although, in the primordial sense, a corrupt official is a real thief, because he destroys the foundations of the state and undermines the authority of the government.
  25. +3
    20 October 2021 17: 34

    That's about the terrible troikas and about the fight against corruption.
    1. -4
      20 October 2021 20: 37
      Quote: Aviator_
      That's about the terrible troikas and about the fight against corruption.

      http://istmat.info/node/24584
      But about the creator and leader of the triplets.
      1. +5
        20 October 2021 20: 54
        So what? Created personally from nothing to do? And led all of them?
        1. -3
          20 October 2021 21: 19
          Nobody knows why, but yes, he led all of them.
          1. +5
            20 October 2021 21: 22
            No one knows

            Russian language textbook for grade 5 in hand, to begin with. Authors - Barkhudarov, Kryuchkov.
            1. -8
              20 October 2021 21: 24
              Okay, go for a walk.
          2. 0
            22 October 2021 14: 45
            Excuse me, you personally, who authorized "on behalf of" "no one" to make such categorical statements? ..

            And honestly, to admit that to this logical and legitimate question "vis-a-vis" you, the "accusers", simply do not have a clear answer, weak? ..
  26. +1
    21 October 2021 11: 31
    “Stalin left behind not ten palaces or tens of billions in foreign banks, but a superpower that defeated Hitler’s Europe. Thousands of real youth palaces, wonderful schools, creative houses, art and music schools. Society and youth, which strove for the stars, and not for pubs and beaches abroad. >> All that Stalin left to the Soviet people, from the 90s. everything was requisitioned in favor of the nouveau riche. And the orphanage children? And what about the children, they are from the orphanage, they can be returned to the barracks. And education (current) contributes to a return to the days of my great-grandmother. She only knew how to count money.
  27. +1
    21 October 2021 16: 37
    Yu. Boldyrev - politician; “I suggested to the miners: ....... Put your man forward and offer it to different parties, anyone who will take it. We will take. But let's do it this way, if the Duma starts to trade to the left and to the right - deal with it yourself. We need those that will not be sold later ... Do you know what they answer me? "There is no such thing as not to be resold"... What is left for me to say to them in the end? There is no need to cry. If you don't have such people, then you have no choice but to go and surrender to those who have such people - the Chinese, the Japanese, the Americans ... If a society is not able to fight betrayal, it will simply be wiped off the face of the earth. This is the main thing that, it seems, our people have not yet realized "
    As Saltykov-Shchedrin noted on this occasion in one of his works back in the century before last: "Sleep Russian hero, sleep !!!"
  28. 0
    21 October 2021 20: 37
    What does Dzhugashvili have to do with it?
    He did his business and died 60 years ago.
    1. 0
      25 October 2021 15: 34
      Quote: Timur_3
      What does Dzhugashvili have to do with it?
      He did his business and died 60 years ago.


      Yes, he did the deeds that the then society put him on. Then in the ruling party, all positions were elective, which is not very fond of remembering now.
      And the elective legislature without the President could change the Government, for which it was shot in 1993.

      And today they do things for which they are foolish once. set and cannot recall today's people.

      And the word "authority" today. popularly denotes a bandit, who will he nominate to the chief?
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  30. 0
    26 October 2021 14: 55
    Yes, Nikitka of course gave a start to hypocrisy and corruption, but this is still a private factor. This has always been the case in our country. But many of our neighbors, Scandinavia, for example, got rid of this. What we have now is already hyper-corruption, when not just everyone around is in shit, but it is simply dangerous to be honest. Jackals will crush. Today's government steals and chicens openly, having lost fear, shame and conscience. I wonder what Stalin would say after seeing all this?
    1. +1
      28 October 2021 10: 52
      Quote: Glagol1
      I wonder what Stalin would say after seeing all this?

      But what would the wars that fell for the freedom and independence of our Motherland say if they rose from their graves?
      I suppose they would curse us all to hell.
  31. 0
    30 October 2021 14: 28
    Obviously, there are different forms of corruption. The simplest is to hand over money. But there is variety. - family ties. Getting business benefits.
    Finally - "State" corruption - legally binding and, in fact, completely unnecessary payments to "affiliated" structures. Incl. Customs! etc. And also Licensed kickbacks and State registration of products in many industries.
    For example - pharmaceutical - because of these procedures (the need to ROLLBACK), we do not have many effective drugs on sale! And for the simplest GENERICS - we overpay many times!
    All these are essentially corrupt procedures! AND APPROVED BY THE STATE! Who does this Cabinet of Ministers work for?
    This means that the State itself - the specialized committees and ministries - are organically included in this "corruption!" System.
    He himself had considerable experience in trying to produce innovative, cheaper and more efficient products. It is almost useless without a lot of money and the participation of top officials ...
    And at the expense of the Customs - a separate issue ... It can be considered separately.
  32. 0
    6 December 2021 13: 15
    Author, you are right.
    Only a personal example gives the desired result.
    Like.
  33. -2
    6 December 2021 18: 53
    For me, corruption is better than hunger.
  34. 0
    9 January 2022 09: 14
    Quote: Ashes of Klaas

    So no need to fantasize about "cartridges".


    But in one quite civilized state, called Singapore, for corruption in very recent times it was possible to get a bullet.
    And in the PRC - and to this day, corrupt officials are put up against the wall.
    Well, the East is a delicate matter. laughing
  35. 0
    9 January 2022 09: 17
    Quote: alexandr_vd
    FACT!
    Later - the Soviet and, especially, the current government - THIEFS and CRIMINALS!



    "Private property is theft."
    It was the post-Soviet period that proved the correctness of this statement by Karl Marx.
  36. 0
    9 January 2022 09: 37
    Quote: ABC-schütze
    Or in the notorious "shortage of consumer goods", the REASON for which, the FULL and ABSOLUTE PAYMENT CAPACITY of the POPULATION,


    The notorious deficit was also determined by the structure of the Soviet economy, primarily industry.
    Basically, the sector of production of goods prevailed, which could not be called consumer goods in the usual everyday sense of the word. The industry worked for housing, infrastructure development, fuel and energy complex, military-industrial complex. And the production of what could be bought in the store for cash is a narrow segment. Everyone worked, everyone received a salary, but they produced what could be bought for a salary - not very many, so to speak.
    The system worked for development, for the future ... sometimes sacrificing needs in the present.
    Like a peasant who is malnourished in the spring, trying to leave more grain for sowing.

    After the collapse of the USSR, the situation was reversed. We ate what was meant for posterity. The country resembles a drunkard whose strict and zealous wife has died. Drink, walk ... vodka and snacks - plenty. There will not be enough money - you can sell furniture, household appliances. The main thing is not to think about the future, when there will be bare walls, or maybe they will not be, and "goodbye, apartment - hello, heating main!"
  37. 0
    9 January 2022 14: 01
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Corruption destroys the monolithic nature of not only that part of the laws that are "badly written", allowing this capitalism, you mentioned by you, to gnaw through the path to market relations and more adequate ways, implying more choice in the absence of damage (grassroots corruption, as a rule) - corruption also corrodes and quite a healthy part of the laws.


    Now try it all on just "private initiative" as a more general manifestation.
    Does it, by chance, come, at times, into conflict with the "healthy part of the laws" in bourgeois-democratic states?