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Former head of the Pentagon: We created the Afghan army in our own image and likeness, but Afghanistan is still not the United States

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Through the mouth of its former defense secretary, Robert Gates, the United States acknowledged the fundamental mistakes made in the preparation of the Afghan army, which ultimately led to its actual destruction. The main mistake was that it was based on the armed forces of the United States itself.


This statement was made by the ex-head of the Pentagon on the air of the American television channel CBS.

I have some responsibility for this. I think we created the Afghan army in our own image and likeness.

- said the retired minister, adding that Afghanistan "is still not the United States."

And although the Americans began the process of creating the armed forces of Afghanistan even before the arrival of Gates, he does not absolve himself of responsibility for the strategic miscalculations. In his opinion, it was not worth creating in this country an army more complex in terms of logistics and equipment than the Taliban had (* a radical terrorist organization banned in Russia).

Instead, the ex-minister believes, the United States should have created a light, mobile and self-sufficient army in Afghanistan, following the example of the Taliban armed formations *. At the same time, Gates does not say a word about why, over the 20 years of the American presence in this country, terrorism in Afghanistan has not been defeated.

The aggravation of the situation in Afghanistan began after the withdrawal of US troops and their allies from this country. The American contingent has been there since 2001, but in the end, apart from another wave of chaos, the Afghans have not brought anything.
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Twitter / Ministry of Defense of Afghanistan
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  1. lucul
    lucul 18 October 2021 14: 37
    0
    The main mistake was that it was based on the armed forces of the United States itself.

    Their main mistake is that they put personal egoism at the forefront, and wars are not won by egoism.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 18 October 2021 14: 38
      +4
      they put personal selfishness at the forefront
      Maybe all the same sawing the dough was at the forefront?
      1. lucul
        lucul 18 October 2021 14: 39
        -3
        Maybe all the same sawing the dough was at the forefront?

        So cutting the dough is just a consequence of selfishness)))
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 18 October 2021 15: 57
          +1
          Loot for Americans is always a PURPOSE.
          The paths to the PURPOSE can be different.
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 18 October 2021 14: 51
      +5
      And with whom and who was going to win the war? Afghan is a cemetery of empires, well, they do not fight there according to the concepts of "civilized." But the United States was not going to fight, let alone win. there is nothing to lie to their American taxpayers, why are Americans in Afghanistan. Drugs? And without the presence of divisions, the Naglo-Saxons will organize everything. hiNobody called them either to Afghanistan (there is a war), or to Syria (war), or to Libya (war), or to Ukraine (war), or to Belarus (the President suppressed pro-American mongrels), or to Yugoslavia (after the war, no countries), nor to other states. The war in the above countries began after the appearance of the Americans! And this is the last 20-something, starting with the bombing of Yugoslavia by American soldiers!
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 18 October 2021 14: 57
        +4
        the mistake was that it was based on the armed forces of the United States itself.
        They themselves are a complete mistake! wassat
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 18 October 2021 22: 06
          +1
          hiyes, Vladimir, Vladimirovich, 20 years later it finally came, they realized that Afghanistan is not the USA! bully Mistake.
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          the mistake was that it was based on the armed forces of the United States itself.
          They themselves are a complete mistake! wassat
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 19 October 2021 01: 23
            +1
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Mistake.

            Dima hi Columbus thought it was India fool It would be better if he walked by winked
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 19 October 2021 02: 03
              +1
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              ,,,, Columbus thought it was India fool It would be better if he walked by winked

              As far as Afghanistan is concerned, the opposite is true. Earlier, in this territory, there was Hinduism. Then Buddhism. If only it remained so!
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 19 October 2021 02: 12
                +1
                Quote: Reptiloid
                If only it remained so!

                Yes, for me, let them be at least pagans, so long as the heads do not cut and do not plant poppies!
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 19 October 2021 06: 11
                  +1
                  Now such a population has already developed.
      2. prior
        prior 18 October 2021 15: 05
        +12
        Nobody invited them to Afghanistan either ...

        It was as if someone was calling them to Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, Korea, Japan, Grenada, Panama, Chile, Colombia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Iraq, Iran ... ....? hi
        I repeat myself. The USA is a corpse eater.
        They can't live without corpses. There are not enough corpses in other countries, they shoot in their own country.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 October 2021 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: VORON538
        The war in the above countries began after the appearance of the Americans!

        With their "democracy and the American way of life."
    3. knn54
      knn54 18 October 2021 15: 16
      +6
      Over 20 years, the United States has invested in equipping and training the Afghan army: more than $ 88 billion.
      The former Afghan leadership (representatives of the local government at the middle level, ministers, deputy ministers, as well as representatives of foreign contingents) plundered about a third of the property, including weapons and equipment, which was supplied in the interests of the Afghan army.
      20% of the personnel who were in the military units were "dead souls": they received allowance and wages, but in reality they did not exist. After the Taliban defeated one of the corps, it turned out that only half of the personnel were available. The rest simply did not exist, they only went through the papers!
      One of the most common methods of theft in the Afghan army was the theft of fuel intended for the needs of the NATO military coalition. Over the course of the NATO military's presence in the country, oversight inspectors estimated that nearly $ 155 million worth of fuel was stolen, and the thieves sold it on the black market.
      Every year, about a third of Afghan soldiers deserted from the army, who were kept and trained with US money. And since the Afghan army was shrinking by a third each year, new recruits had to be recruited and trained.
      The "total" number of deserters is estimated at 100.
      : the number of deserters is estimated at 100 thousand people.
  2. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 18 October 2021 14: 37
    +5
    Afghanistan is still not the USA
    And you can't tell right away ...)
  3. Woodman
    Woodman 18 October 2021 14: 37
    +1
    The United States has acknowledged the fundamental mistakes made in the preparation of the Afghan army, which ultimately led to its actual destruction. The main mistake was that it was based on the armed forces of the United States itself.
    Afghanistan in the image and likeness, Georgia, Iraq ... And everywhere they were wrong.
    1. alystan
      alystan 18 October 2021 14: 50
      +4
      They were not mistaken, they created in their own likeness, which means they created their own kind, who turned out to be useless for anything! So it remains to check the "teachers" themselves what they are capable of, so that the whole world can see what the vaunted Yankees are really worth ... Although after the "military disgrace" in the Korean War, a little more in the Vietnam War, "disgrace" in their back backyard in the Bay of Pigs, we already know what they are, but the rest of the world would be nice to see the "spanking" of Uncle Sam!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 18 October 2021 16: 03
        +1
        "Created in their own image and likeness"! Think you are God? Create in your own image and likeness !!! So we got a true picture of who they are themselves!
    2. ammunition
      ammunition 18 October 2021 15: 24
      +2
      Quote: Lesovik
      Afghanistan in the image and likeness

      They remake the whole world in their own image and likeness. So much the worse for this world.
  4. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 18 October 2021 14: 45
    +2
    Former head of the Pentagon: We created the Afghan army in our own image and likeness, but Afghanistan is still not the United States

    Evo it is like! what
    Now it is clear!! fellow Whether you believe one very popular book among the masses, the Lord created a person in his own image and likeness, hoping that a conscientious, just, honest individual will appear at the exit ... But the Anglo-Saxon came out request Here, too, a cunning, hypocritical, deceitful Anglo-Saxon created an army in his own image and likeness, and it just happened ... the army is not an army at all, it was blown away without options. laughing KARMA!!! laughing laughing laughing
  5. Pavel episkop
    Pavel episkop 18 October 2021 14: 47
    -3
    The Soviet Union also created in its own image, the result is known. We need a truly mobile, compact and professional army. As a result, the Taliban won (they were just that). The US Army is ossified and corrupt in the end and the result is such
    1. Cron
      Cron 18 October 2021 14: 52
      0
      Quote: Paul episkop
      The Soviet Union also created in its own image, the result is known.

      And what about the bottom line? Enlighten please
      1. Pavel episkop
        Pavel episkop 18 October 2021 15: 54
        0
        Do you know the collapse of the USSR? At the turn of 1988-98, the combat capability of the army was extremely low, hazing, corruption, slovenliness ... Do you recall the president's speech at the officers' house? "we need a compact, mobile and professional army .." as a result, a modern army is like that! Why I don’t understand the cons
      2. Pavel episkop
        Pavel episkop 18 October 2021 15: 59
        0
        Look, as an example, the release of Sladkov on the combat effectiveness of the Russian army at the beginning of 2000 and the Russian army today .. The president's speech, aspiration and results are just plain to see! The future of armies is not in quantity, but in quality, mobility, and professionalism.
        1. Cron
          Cron 18 October 2021 16: 04
          +1
          Quote: Paul episkop
          Do you know the collapse of the USSR?

          And what does the army have to do with this?
          The Soviet Union also created in its own image, the result is known.

          You wrote it yourself. So what's wrong with the bottom line?
          1. Pavel episkop
            Pavel episkop 20 October 2021 10: 09
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            You are either a child or a "close-minded" person of the USSR held on to the army (for every 3 rubles - 2 went there familiar to you?) How did the fighting efficiency begin to fall, so the police department and the social camp began to disintegrate ... And the words "the red army are stronger than all ... "clearly show ... There is no future without a professional, compact and mobile army
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 18 October 2021 14: 51
    +6
    The selection of recruits for the army was wrong.
    In countries like Afghanistan, the fighting efficiency of the armies is based on the personal loyalty of soldiers and officers to the leader (president / king / head of the junta). And tribal loyalty.
    Who fights loyally for Assad in Syria? - Alawites, his people.
    The divisions are commanded by the president's relatives.
    The rest of the army fled at the very beginning of the civil war in 2011.
    Afghan is a similar case.
  7. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 18 October 2021 14: 51
    +1
    We noticed this. On the surrender of Kabul.
  8. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 18 October 2021 14: 56
    +4
    "The United States should have created a light, mobile and self-sustaining army in Afghanistan" ...
    Self-sustaining !!! Does that mean robbing in order to feed yourself? Ali how? fellow
  9. Per se.
    Per se. 18 October 2021 14: 58
    +5
    We created the Afghan army in our own image and likeness
    Is it when seven against one, or to fight with someone else's hands, on someone else's territory? Naturally, it did not work, and there is no printing press "green candy wrappers" to produce in Afghanistan. Such America alone, with its Jewish lobby, and, Anglo-Saxon meanness, under the rabble from all over the world.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 October 2021 15: 50
      0
      "Such America is alone, with its own Jewish lobby, and, Anglo-Saxon meanness, under the rabble from all over the world" ///
      ---
      And again, all the major Nobel Prizes were snatched up.
      laughing
      This is America ... fellow
  10. forcecom
    forcecom 18 October 2021 15: 00
    +2
    light, mobile and self-sustaining army

    as I understand it, each battalion had to be given out on a poppy field to ensure
  11. Svarog
    Svarog 18 October 2021 15: 07
    +2
    Fighting for an idea ... for a family ... always turns out more efficiently than money.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 18 October 2021 15: 08
    +2
    Former head of the Pentagon: We created the Afghan army in our own image and likeness, but Afghanistan is still not the United States
    FOREIGN SIGHT !!! came, as usual, with the departure to ... from the post!
    1. Silver bullet
      Silver bullet 18 October 2021 15: 25
      +6
      One ex has already flown today before God to keep an answer. K. Powell, who rubbed a test tube at the UN and the United States destroyed Iraq, made ends meet. Burn him in hell with Brzezinski in one frying pan without oil. M. Albright get ready.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 October 2021 15: 49
        0
        Everyone will be there, each has his own term.
        Faith that there will have to be answered for their sins / deeds, their own, earthly ... NO, very many.
        Although, when the faith was much stronger, they sinned, they did black deeds ... such is a person, NOT an ANGEL.
        1. Silver bullet
          Silver bullet 18 October 2021 15: 57
          +4
          You know, you don't have to go to a temple or a mosque to believe in God. It is enough to believe in your heart, without intermediaries. This is my personal opinion, I do not impose. We will answer all, each in his own way and in his own time.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 October 2021 16: 09
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            Quote: Silver bullet
            You know, you don't have to go to a temple or a mosque to believe in God. It is enough to believe in your heart, without intermediaries. This is my personal opinion, I do not impose. We will answer all, each in his own way and in his own time.

            I agree ... he is like that ... with his quirks, of course, but very close to your position.
            1. Silver bullet
              Silver bullet 18 October 2021 16: 19
              0
              Mom taught me so, the kingdom of heaven to her. There are no drafts in life, we write immediately to the final, who is conscientious, and who ...
              At the age of 40, I realized that it was necessary not only to build a house, plant a tree and raise children. But this is personal, not for public reading and discussion.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 October 2021 18: 12
                -1
                In life, it happens in different ways ... parents, mentors, the state are brought up, and who is the living environment, that is ...
                The main thing is to remain human, human, always and everywhere.
          2. Hypertension
            Hypertension 18 October 2021 17: 15
            -2
            Quote: Silver bullet
            It is enough to believe in your heart, without intermediaries.

            Is it enough to believe, or do you need to observe something else and act somehow?
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 18 October 2021 17: 13
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          Faith that there will have to be answered for their sins / deeds, their own, earthly ... NO, very many.

          Because no one "from there" has yet returned, and has not told how there and what. Some guesses. And each religion has its own vision of "there" existence.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 October 2021 18: 08
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            Quote: Hyperion
            Because no one "from there" has yet returned, and has not told how there and what.

            It will no longer be FAITH, but KNOWLEDGE.
            Quote: Hyperion
            And each religion has its own vision of "there" existence.

            I pray to my gods and do not blaspheme strangers ... it will be right and reasonable.
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 18 October 2021 20: 26
              -1
              Quote: rocket757
              I pray to their gods and I do not blaspheme strangers

              Gods? Are you a pagan turns out?
              Quote: rocket757
              it will be right and reasonable

              It is reasonable to reason that if there are several religions in the world and only one is correct, then chances are that you are following the wrong one. And that God is negative, since he allowed so many false beliefs for one correct one.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 October 2021 20: 46
                -1
                Quote: Hyperion
                Gods? Are you a pagan turns out?

                What is ... my "gods" from another diocese, scientifically social, mundane, ts.
                Quote: Hyperion
                It would be reasonable to judge that if there are several religions in the world and only one correct

                With religion, traditional concessions, everything is simple ... they do not argue there, they believe there.
                It's not interesting to me, exactly, let them pray to whoever they want ... until they climb into someone else's garden with their own rules.
                Quote: Hyperion
                that is, chances are that you are following the wrong

                And I don't care about that, I'm not interested.
                Quote: Hyperion
                And that God is negative, since he allowed so many false beliefs for one correct

                This is where the dog rummaged!
                Who said there is one and infallible? Who can prove it? This is just a belief, a part of humanity and should not be opposed to the beliefs or disbelief of all the others.
                Everyone remains at their own and everyone is happy ...
                The times of bonfires, the burning of heretics, have sunk into oblivion, I hope forever.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 18 October 2021 21: 08
                  -2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  my "gods" are from another diocese, scientifically social, mundane, ts.

                  Something like that?
                  Do not get bogged down in the pseudosciences of creationism and do not make any image of the fact that the earth is flat and that water has a memory. Do not go to psychics and do not watch programs with them; for I am a scientist, your popularizer, a zealous scientist, for the obscurantism of fathers punishing children up to the third and fourth generation, who hate Me, and giving mercy to a thousand [generations] who love Science and honor the commandments of the Scientific Method.

                  Do not pronounce the name of Science, your Lady, in vain; for the Popularizer will not leave without punishment the one who uses data taken from the ceiling and irrelevant experiments.

                  Honor Dawkins as your father and Hawking as your mother, as the Scientist, your Popularizer commanded you, that your days may last, and that it may be good for you on the land that Science, Your Lady, gives you. With their medicine, their robotics and their genetically modified Organisms.

                  Quote: rocket757
                  until they climb into someone else's garden with their own rules.

                  So in fact they climb the same. Only the blind cannot see the expansion of Islam.
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Who said there is one and infallible? Who can prove it?

                  Almost every monotheistic religion says so. And faith doesn't need proof. As you wrote - "With religion, traditional concessions, everything is simple ... they do not argue there, they believe there."
                  Quote: rocket757
                  do not oppose it against the beliefs or disbelief of everyone else.

                  It seems that radical Islamists will not agree with you.
                  Quote: rocket757
                  The times of bonfires, the burning of heretics, have sunk into oblivion, I hope forever.

                  Yes, what kind of Summer is there ... Look, ISIS (a terrorist organization banned in the Russian Federation) not so long ago did it not execute "heretics" - by shooting them, drowning and burning them? Or did they not cut off the head of the French teacher?
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 18 October 2021 23: 11
                    -1
                    Nothing happens JUST LIKE ...
                    At first we climbed from here to there, now from there it returns as a BOOMERANG.
                    Religious verbiage is no different from the mundane ... the main thing is to push nose to nose talkers of the same kind.
                    Who to whom where and why climbs ... the topic for three lines, I do not want, not interesting, and there can be no winners ... everyone stays with his own.
                    This is correct, by the way, stability and integrity of convictions are important in a person.
  13. sen
    sen 18 October 2021 15: 21
    +2
    Former head of the Pentagon: We created the Afghan army in our own image and likeness

    Nothing like this. The main thing for the Yankees is aviation and cruise missiles. Without them, they are incapable of fighting.
  14. dzvero
    dzvero 18 October 2021 15: 34
    +1
    We created the Afghan army in our own image and likeness

    Those. if (and maybe when) the Taliban comes to the United States, will the result be the same?
  15. Cowbra
    Cowbra 18 October 2021 15: 59
    +1
    Oh, that is. the Afghan army, like the US army itself, also does not know how to fight? But Afgan does not have slaves, like the United States, to be fought for ... Therefore, they were gouged feel
  16. wandlitz
    wandlitz 18 October 2021 17: 09
    +1
    we created the Afghan army in our own image and likeness.

    Therefore, this army fled ...
  17. Aurel
    Aurel 18 October 2021 18: 28
    -1
    We wanted the best, but it turned out as always. (from)
  18. SVD68
    SVD68 19 October 2021 06: 47
    0
    The general is lying to hide the truth. They created the Afghan army as accomplices of their occupation army. And accomplices are accomplices.
  19. Prisoner
    Prisoner 19 October 2021 16: 37
    0
    winked And Georgian in its own likeness. Maybe it's time to change the prototype? Does not work.