Buy a maroon beret and ... not die

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There are things that command respect even among people far from the army, from the Armed Forces in general. The blue takes the airborne troops. Vest of sailors and paratroopers. The sailors' peakless cap. Tank headset. This is material evidence of belonging to a particular caste of people. It's like a reward for what this person has done. 

One of these symbols of belonging to the elite is the maroon beret. The insignia that both soldiers and officers dream of getting. And they receive it not for their position and rank, but for knowledge, skills, combat training and fortitude. And all this must be proved without patronage and assistants.



The applicant goes to the exam himself. He himself fulfills the necessary standards. He himself goes to the end or leaves the race if he knows that he cannot reach the finish line yet. Nobody condemns such a person just because the tests are really the most difficult. And those who reached the end and received berets from fellow armsoften cry for joy. With tears of men, for which you are not ashamed ...

And yesterday, October 17, a message appeared that amazed everyone. A message about a fact that cannot exist in principle. Alexander Kots, a war correspondent for Komsomolskaya Pravda, on his Telegram channel, told about a fight that happened during the delivery of the maroon beret at the Tambukan training center of the Russian Guard.

During the march, some members of the special forces were brought up in cars, while others honestly passed the tests. Simply put, fraudsters have appeared among the Rosgvardia specialists. People without honor and conscience. Naturally, these manipulations were noticed by instructors from the "maroon berets". 

At one of the areas where the march takes place, the judges "krapoviks" recorded that the Chechen participants were not hesitant to be driven by car while the rest of the fighters passed the control area in accordance with the established rules, equal for all.

After that, the judges of the competition made a decision to remove the participants from Chechnya from the surrender, as a result of which a fight broke out, in which ordinary fighters, who sided with the senior combat comrades, did not stand aside either.


The maroon beret is a symbol of honor, professional skill, courage and devotion to the special forces of the Russian Guard. Therefore, servicemen and employees of special forces units are not shy. Therefore, the scammers were removed from the exam. 

Here is how the Hero of Russia, head of the Brotherhood of Krapovy Berets Association, board member of the Union of Veterans of Anti-Terror Units, Sergei Lysyuk, commented on the incident:

I believe that loud slogans and emotions are not needed now. Especially on social media. You need to calmly and in detail to understand everything. This will be dealt with by the main councils of the "Purple Berets" of troops and reserve servicemen. And so it will be. As a result, we will give an objective assessment of everything that happened.


I cannot agree with a respected person, an excellent officer, a hero not only in rank, but also in life, Sergei Lysyuk. Once it was he who stood at the origins of the emergence of the tradition of putting on a maroon beret. And many of those who today tremblingly keep this symbol at home or proudly wear it in the service, wanted to be like it.

What happened during the passing of the standards, what the representatives of the special forces of Chechnya did, is a blow to all the "maroon berets"! For each of those who received this symbol of valor with sweat, blood, courage. It will pass unnoticed, then what will they say about the maroon beret? “You have to, like, take ... But you can buy examiners. Or intimidate. "

Intimidate the commandos? Intimidate the instructor? Intimidate the maroon beret? But there was an attempt to do just that! Scare those who cannot be scared in principle! Otherwise, how to explain the fight that arose on the march?

I understand the soldiers of the 604th Special Forces Center "Vityaz". To quote Alexander Kots:

The conflict did not end with the day of the competition and continued in the morning, when the commandos learned that the leadership of the competition sided with the participants who violated the rules and norms of the fighting brotherhood. In this connection, the soldiers of the internal troops refuse to go out in a maroon beret, which they received with sweat and blood, and not with a call from somewhere else.

The special forces of the 604th Red Banner Special Purpose Center "Vityaz" from Monday in protest takes off their maroon berets and switches to the usual statutory caps.


"Vityaz" takes off its berets in protest. Boggles the mind! I don't remember anything like this in stories Armed forces in general. This fact should not be blurted out, but, on the contrary, should be voiced. The spetsnaz of the Rosgvardia from the Chechen Republic has performed and continues to fulfill its tasks in the region and in other countries. Where the Motherland and special forces will send.

And this unit was disgraced by those who were considered the most trained fighters. Disgraced themselves, disgraced their unit, disgraced their commanders. They trampled on respect for their comrades, including those killed in anti-terrorist operations.

I do not know what decision will be made by the Council of the Purple Berets. I do not know how the leadership of the National Guard of Chechnya will react to the meanness of their fighters. I don't know how the director of the Russian Guard, General of the Army Zolotov, will react. I know only one thing, a maroon beret is not worthy to be worn by a swindler ... He is not worthy already because he not only dishonestly wanted to get a beret, but also because he betrayed the dead Krapovikov! ..

Amendment. Incident (https://t.me/sashakots/26263) on the test for the maroon beret took place in Grozny, where Russian instructors came to take exams from the Chechens. As a result, it all ended in a mass brawl, when applicants for the special forces symbol on the march were brought up in cars.
Alexander Kots


Detailed video on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WunnmtLNSCc

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  1. -2
    October 18 2021
    So it seems like there are only two zombie boxes for the whole of Chechnya, I watched the show once ...
    In addition, the maroon beret is sometimes awarded as an honorary badge of distinction from those who did not take it ...
    1. +35
      October 18 2021
      The tradition of the right to wear a beret is not ours, borrowed from the British "commandos" and adopted by us, when you accept former militants first into OPON VV, then into ROSGVARD, sooner or later it had to happen ...
      1. +18
        October 18 2021
        the leadership of the competition took the side of those who violated the rules and norms

        The names of the management must be called.
        The country must know its "heroes"
        1. +4
          October 20 2021
          The names of the management must be called.
          The country must know its "heroes"
          Go to the website of the National Guard and see who is in charge of it. Even if they did not directly take part in this farce, they are leaders and should be responsible for the actions of their subordinates. And my opinion is another bell that the country will be handed over at any time, as soon as it becomes profitable for the seller. The seller, of course, will then be deceived and deprived of everything, so there will be no power behind him, but the country will no longer be returned.
          1. -1
            October 26 2021
            The most stupid proposal of a vsepapalschik, to appoint as guilty not those who "negotiated", but whose subordinates they are, are not yet direct. With this logic, Presidents of all countries of the world should be immediately imprisoned for everything that their "subordinates" have done - all officials at any level, and even ordinary citizens.
            1. 0
              November 2, 2021
              Imagine you're almost right! Subordinates who screwed up should sit. And if the leaders do not hand them over, then they themselves are "in the share." And yes! Should sit at best. For what, in the main, do they hate Comrade Stalin ?! For the personal responsibility of managers of ALL ranks. They were sitting! But the rest did not allow such situations anymore. Hard? Yes! But it is necessary for the country to continue to exist, at least. Is it okay to pump the country ?! No. This is you, a colleague of "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise"! And about "everything is gone": I don't feel something on my own skin, that life is becoming simpler and easier, just the opposite.
      2. 0
        October 23 2021
        Strange. 12 km. How can you give someone a lift there?
        ZY.U SASovtsev, it seems, 40 km. I do not remember. Well, the system is different.
      3. +2
        October 24 2021
        What is the boss, such are the procedures?
    2. +2
      October 18 2021
      From the VK page of Ramzan Kadyrov
      Dear friends! Seven Russian National Guardsmen from the Chechen Republic became the owners of maroon berets at once! ⠀ Qualification tests for the right to wear the coveted headgear were held on the basis of the FSVNG "Tambukan" training center in the Stavropol Territory from October 11 to 15. 121 fighters of the special purpose unit of the North Caucasian District of the Russian National Guard troops demonstrated their skills and abilities. ⠀ The participants had to go through a three-stage test of the level of training: physical, fire and special tactical training, military medical, mining and engineering. Traditionally, the most difficult stage was a 12-kilometer march across rough terrain in full combat gear. The trials were crowned with a 12-minute sparring with the owners of maroon berets. ⠀ Based on the results of the assignments, seven of our special forces were awarded the right to wear the maroon beret. All tests have been successfully passed by dear BROTHERS - the commander of the OMON of the UFSVNG RF for the Chechen Republic Anzor Bisaev and the commander of the SOBR SOBR "Terek" of the UFSVNG RF in the Chechen Republic Saydi Lorsankaev. In addition, Movsar Abdulkhadzhiev, Ramzan Mukayev, Khizir Musaev from the special motorized regiment "North" named after Hero of Russia Akhmat-Khadzhi Kadyrov of the Grozny formation of the Russian Guard @ 141smpvng_a_a_kadyrova, as well as Idris Atulashev and Tamerlane Saddzhin ... ⠀ It is with great pleasure that I congratulate our fighters on winning the right to wear maroon berets! I wish you family well-being and success in your service activities for the benefit of our great Fatherland - Russia! ⠀ I am especially pleased to note that now there are 43 speckles in our special forces. This testifies to the high level of physical and combat training of our fighters!

      Yesterday I watched Sasha Kots's cart and, to put it mildly, "fucked up". It seems like there were no fights, a noisy showdown ...
      By the way, someone started a rumor that Ramzan Akhmetovich was paying a million to get a maroon beret. Probably still a rumor
      1. +35
        October 18 2021
        If the system is lame, then everywhere.
        1. +31
          October 18 2021
          Quote: Civil
          If the system is lame, then everywhere.

          In fact, a couple of clowns disgraced all Chechens.
          After all, now, anyone who sees a Chechen in a maroon beret will think to himself that it is in the purchased one.
          1. +21
            October 18 2021
            Quote: And Us Rat
            After all, now, anyone who sees a Chechen in a maroon beret will think to himself that it is in the purchased one.

            So be it.
          2. -11
            October 19 2021
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Quote: Civil
            If the system is lame, then everywhere.

            In fact, a couple of clowns disgraced all Chechens.
            After all, now, anyone who sees a Chechen in a maroon beret will think to himself that it is in the purchased one.

            Approach and present weakly?
            1. +11
              October 19 2021
              Quote: Pilat2009
              Approach and present weakly?

              And how do you imagine this? wassat
              It means that there is such a teacher walking down the street, 45 years old, overweight and short of breath, and a Chechen in a maroon beret to meet. And she is like that, for the breasts of the DAC - "did you deserve to take, Herod?" wassat
              Or 12 kids from the doorway - "uh, uncle, will you answer for the beret?" wassat
              So what? wassat
              Is the average man immortal in Russia? lol
              1. -7
                October 20 2021
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Is the average man immortal in Russia?

                And then what is the use of the booze? Only here they can discuss and give advice on social networks.
      2. +3
        October 18 2021
        I also heard about a million, they say, that's why they wanted to get a beret anyway, that they went for such a scam.
      3. +19
        October 18 2021
        Quote: Pike
        By the way, someone started a rumor that Ramzan Akhmetovich was paying a million to get a maroon beret. Probably still a rumor

        Yes, all this chatter. The most honest and kindest person ...
        We look in the book:
        1. To approve the main characteristics of the republican budget for 2021, determined on the basis of a projected inflation rate not exceeding 3,7 percent (December 2021 to December 2020):
        LAW OF THE CHECHEN REPUBLIC
        dated December 21, 2020 N 75-РЗ
        About the republican budget for 2021 and for the planning period 2022 and 2023
        1) the projected total volume of revenues of the republican budget in the amount of 114 thousand rubles, including gratuitous receipts in the amount of 98 thousand rublestax and non-tax revenues in the amount of 15 511 385,0 thousand rubles;

        Next:
        4. The gratuitous receipts include:

        - subsidies from other budgets of the budgetary system of the Russian Federation;
        - subsidies from other budgets of the budgetary system of the Russian Federation (interbudgetary subsidies);
        - subventions from the federal budget and (or) from the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation;
        - other interbudgetary transfers from other budgets of the budgetary system of the Russian Federation;
        - gratuitous receipts from individuals and legal entities, international organizations and foreign governments, including voluntary donations.

        You still doubt that the Russian Federation is paying tribute, which is why the level of greyhounds has gone off scale ...
        1. +8
          October 19 2021
          Quote: ROSS 42
          You still doubt that the Russian Federation is paying tribute, which is why the level of greyhounds has gone off scale ...

          There is no doubt about it. The President likes to say what kind of bomb the Bolsheviks planted under Russia, having created the Union. Well, what kind of bomb did he lay under the Russian Federation himself, in the North Caucasus, paying tribute to Kadyrov? As soon as he or his successor, due to circumstances, stops paying, there will immediately flare up so that previous wars seem like flowers. Despite the fact that they themselves armed and trained the army of the Chechen Republic.
        2. -2
          October 19 2021
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: Pike
          By the way, someone started a rumor that Ramzan Akhmetovich was paying a million to get a maroon beret. Probably still a rumor

          Yes, all this chatter. The most honest and kindest person ...
          We look in the book:
          1. To approve the main characteristics of the republican budget for 2021, determined on the basis of a projected inflation rate not exceeding 3,7 percent (December 2021 to December 2020):
          LAW OF THE CHECHEN REPUBLIC
          dated December 21, 2020 N 75-РЗ
          About the republican budget for 2021 and for the planning period 2022 and 2023
          1) the projected total volume of revenues of the republican budget in the amount of 114 thousand rubles, including gratuitous receipts in the amount of 98 thousand rublestax and non-tax revenues in the amount of 15 511 385,0 thousand rubles;

          Next:
          4. The gratuitous receipts include:

          - subsidies from other budgets of the budgetary system of the Russian Federation;
          - subsidies from other budgets of the budgetary system of the Russian Federation (interbudgetary subsidies);
          - subventions from the federal budget and (or) from the budgets of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation;
          - other interbudgetary transfers from other budgets of the budgetary system of the Russian Federation;
          - gratuitous receipts from individuals and legal entities, international organizations and foreign governments, including voluntary donations.

          You still doubt that the Russian Federation is paying tribute, which is why the level of greyhounds has gone off scale ...

          The income of Moscow for 7 months in 2021 is almost 2 trillion. You will not argue that some of the money there is also someone else's?
      4. +2
        October 19 2021
        They need to be handed red hats.
    3. +7
      October 18 2021
      That's all. Put out the light, throw the grenade !!!
      A curtain.
  2. +70
    October 18 2021
    Indeed, what happened in my head does not fit. It seems to me that the fact is that some people think, because of their nationality, they are special and they can get away with it.
    1. -42
      October 18 2021
      Very controversial. Everybody has tricky ones. And to dishonor and just shirk from them is a rare occurrence. How many Chechens I have met in my life so stubbornness there was already enviable. What's in sports, what's in the service. Although the new generation may have changed so ...
      1. +11
        October 18 2021
        Hear what eyewitnesses say in this video
        1. -25
          October 18 2021
          I argued not with the facts of the incident, but with the words about national characteristics.
          1. +15
            October 18 2021
            do not argue! we must admit and agree!
            1. -18
              October 18 2021
              What nationality can be insulted because of a couple of clowns? No, really. I refuse to agree with this.
              1. +15
                October 18 2021
                Quote: carstorm 11
                What nationality can be insulted because of a couple of clowns? No, really. I refuse to agree with this.

                Hello.
                ... Along the way, there really is a FEW of clowns.
                The list of 7 people includes 2 commanders.
                Like "we need".
                But this is my guess.

                I know Chekhov well.
                Nobody is going to offend them.
                There are people living in military service. Czechs also belong to them.
                So this case is characterized by one word - A SHAME.
                I am sure that the REAL Czechs are now from this all ... Sausage is not a smudge, a stain on everyone. And it is right that sausage.
                Shame on the participants who violated the Rules and the organizers, who turned a blind eye to this. Regardless of nationality.
                They have not stained the maroon beret, it is impossible to stain it. His holiness is kept alive and dead.
                They just NOT WORTHY.
                1. 0
                  October 18 2021
                  Exactly. It's just that chellevek started about national peculiarities and I answered that. There are enough cunning oddities among the snares.
                2. +10
                  October 18 2021
                  Interestingly, is Zolotov himself a "speck"? Or as a "sign of respect" ...?
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                  2. -2
                    October 19 2021
                    And you spar with him and find out wink
              2. +26
                October 18 2021
                Quote: carstorm 11
                What nationality can be insulted because of a couple of clowns? No, really. I refuse to agree with this.

                A couple? ... among this "couple of clowns" were instructors from Chechnya that already (!) Have beret, those for them violation of the regulations (I remind you - officially beret does not give any preferences, this is a sign that a person was able to overcome himself and difficulties, those who take it are not important, but the rite of obtaining it) - a normal situation ... these people did not just turn a blind eye to minor violations (the lack of plates in bulletproof vests there or something else, according to rumors, the "Knights" themselves have been indulging for 10 years, closing on small eye blemishes), namely, they deliberately sabotaged the regulations themselves - giving the subjects a rest (just lie down and lie down), carrying their equipment, hoisting and dragging fighters, driving cars and transporting them along the route ... from the above it follows that the instructors themselves do not care about the honor of receiving a beret , for them it is just a headdress, not a symbol ... so let them organize their beret / tactical beard and distribute to their own by pull to the left and to the right, and there is no need to smear other people's traditions with mud ...
                1. +6
                  October 18 2021
                  About the "tactical beard" a subtle remark. bully
      2. +75
        October 18 2021
        Something too much they have cleverly done ... I in no way want to blame all the Chechens, but in my life I came across some arrogant, arrogant, always ready for violence, but at the same time surprising with their illiteracy and narrow outlook. Maybe I was just unlucky in my acquaintances with Chechens, but that's it.
        , they themselves do not understand what they have done - from now on there will always be two maroon berets - one real, the other Chechen. They disgraced themselves and not only themselves.
        1. -29
          October 18 2021
          You only reinforce my words) it was their insolence and readiness for violence in this particular case that disappeared somewhere. And something completely different appeared.
          1. +12
            October 18 2021
            He said what he thought.
        2. +34
          October 18 2021
          I agree with you. I met few Chechens, but I saw enough Dag when I was in the army in Krasnoyarsk in 93-95. What you wrote, I fully support only add that Caucasians have in their blood: buy, sell, bribe this more than enough. Therefore, 99% of the titles of thieves in Caucasians bought the law. In general, in my opinion, Chechnya has long been a country in the country and they don’t care about us. We are afraid of them and therefore I’m just sure that this will be released on the brakes and, moreover, they will try to do complete silence everywhere. Well, as they wrote above Russian maroon beret and Chechen one, they devalued it by their act. But my opinion is not anyone's claim and I do not consider my opinion as the most correct.
          1. +7
            October 18 2021
            In general, in my opinion, Chechnya has long been a country in the country and they do not care about us.

            And they even retreated to fight in the XNUMXs only on such conditions.
        3. +14
          October 18 2021
          ... in my life I came across some arrogant, arrogant, always ready for violence

          Hello.

          They're ... Tough. Not cruel, but tough. If they feel slack in someone, they will definitely be pushed under them or driven under the plinth, even if they don't need it ...
          But if they feel the Power, then they respect it with dignity.
          This is the people.
          I do not have a good attitude towards them, after all, there were 5 business trips ...
          But I know for sure that this is the People-Warrior. It is worthy of respect.
          There is a fairy tale:
          "... not every Nokhcha can graze a ram, but every Nokhcha can shoot ..."
          They themselves have to give a decent answer to the shit that happened, which they got themselves into.
          Otherwise, in the eyes of people like me (former opponents), they will lose their serious Military Status.
          Either Men or Not.
          Somehow and nothing else.
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              1. +13
                October 18 2021
                Yes, we came to their house and took them by the throats. Ours took it. We have shown the Force.
                Have you won? No. For this it was necessary to cut out ALL the people.

                Mmm .. curious words. True, somewhere in the 18th century, they could be repeated by any British officer after the British conquered India. And, in general, saying so would not sin against the truth.
                this is the Warrior People. It is worthy of respect

                And what exactly should be worthy of respect here? The desire to live by robbery, murder and military raids on other peoples instead of honest labor? Take, for example, the Swiss - for centuries they have established themselves as fearless and skillful warriors. But they are also skilled artisans, engineers and bankers. And therefore, military neutrality has been maintained for two centuries.
                There is another example. Japan. For centuries they have also been a "warrior people" famous for their cruelty and aggressiveness. Bloody raids on Korea. The brutal colonization of her own. Numerous acts of monstrous atrocities during the Second World War. And the "karmic retribution" that overtook them on the morning of August 6, 1945.
                But our two peoples are better off living in peace with each other.

                Any two nations are better off living in peace with each other. But motivation is also important. For example, the founder of the present Vietnamese state, Ho Chi Minh, was always sincerely convinced that the Vietnamese and Americans were better off living in peace with each other. True, he thought so not because he wanted to "mutually mutuze some external enemy", but because cooperation with the American economy promised the way to prosperity and wealth for Vietnam. So it eventually happened, by the way.
                1. +20
                  October 18 2021
                  ... Mmm .. curious words.

                  The third time I am trying to answer you, something is wrong with the Internet.
                  How to tell you ....
                  I write what I saw with my own eyes, and not what "everyone wants to hear."

                  For me so far:
                  A good Czech is a dead Czech.
                  But my former subordinate had to "work" with them in a "new reality", i.e. together.
                  The score is beyond praise.
                  Here is such a garbage, given to us in reality.
                  ...........
                  About the story with the Beret, I repeat once again, this is a Shame.
                  Not worthy of the title of Fighter, Warrior, or Soldier.
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                1. +14
                  October 18 2021
                  ... Now these "fellow citizens" of ours are putting their "order" in our country. On the u-tube there are a lot of such videos from the series "Lawlessness of Caucasians in Russia"

                  I will write not just for you, but for the "lawlessness of the Caucasians":

                  Not so long ago, there was a good article by Roman Skomorokhov about how a Voronezh guy was not afraid to stand up for a girl in Moscow and was "slightly" dented by Caucasians, but "there were no men around."
                  There was one story with me:
                  This summer, Voronezh))), city center (Engels).
                  Two young daguerres go towards and ... begin to paw the girl from head to toe. Impudently, unceremoniously. Passers-by pretend they can't see anything.
                  And my daughter often walks this street.
                  The daggers come up to me ...
                  In general, they did not manage to walk along the sidewalk, they walked around me on the road and did not get involved. There are only two of them ...
                  I am a Tankman, which means I am of medium build. 50 years. 2 contusions. The right hand is still poorly obedient after a stroke.
                  But I was ready to fight, and more than two.
                  And they felt IT. And they will remember it that you can run into it.
                  I am an ordinary man who has Principles and my holiday is February 23rd.
                  There are many of those.
                  Caucasus understands Rigidity and Strength.
                  And everything else is empty ranting.


                  And the situation in our cities also depends on us, the men of the Military Review, who have Principles and do not care about excuses about "exceeding self-defense."

                  In fact, everything is simple.
                  You have to start with yourself.
                  I do not boast and do not hesitate to talk about my principles.
                  1. +12
                    October 18 2021
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    I am an ordinary man who has Principles and my holiday is February 23rd.
                    There are many of those.
                    Caucasus understands Rigidity and Strength.
                    And everything else is empty ranting.

                    And the situation in our cities also depends on us, the men of the Military Review, who have Principles and do not care about excuses about "exceeding self-defense"

                    Listen, why in our country, in our hometown, we have to walk with brutalized faces. I completely agree with you that they, like animals feel danger and strength, will try to get away. But why and why do we need it! That is, a frail and physically weak person can be beaten and mutilated, not to mention the female sex. Why do we need them? But the war begins, here they are, the fifth column! Behind will rob, kill and rape people in our cities and villages. What do they want, what principles do they live by? Animalistic? I cannot understand their actions, maybe I am stupid and stupid?
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                  1. kin
                    +5
                    October 20 2021
                    Chechens are not heard in Kazakhstan either. They are there, but they cannot be seen or heard. They tried to behave the same way as in Russia. The Kazakhs did not tolerate them, they pogroms and they quickly knocked them down. The point is not only that the local population did not begin to tolerate this savagery, but that the authorities did not want to have a source of tension in society.
              3. +5
                October 18 2021
                Quote: Aleks tv
                So let them have fun for their own pleasure under the Russian Oath and powerful protection.

                Are you sure that "if something happens" they won't stab you in the back? The precedents were ...
                1. +10
                  October 18 2021
                  ... Are you sure that "if something happens" they will not stab you in the back?

                  Hello.
                  Personally, I won't turn my back ...)))
                  But my opinion is my "past".
                  I have already expressed enough on the topic and my attitude to this.
                  Why repeat it?
                  There is an experience of communicating with them.
                  It's important not to repeat past mistakes..
                  Even gentleness and correctness are perceived by the Czechs as weakness.
                  And it won't end well.
                  This should be understood by everyone who is obliged to understand this, first of all those who are invested with Power.
                  It didn't take too long to forget ...
                  What is my opinion on the current situation?
                  Not to your liking for sure - you can not close your eyes to all sorts of aphids ..., "exceptional cases."
                  A reciprocal Toughness, Strength and Respect is required ... as worthy of this Respect.
                  This is Caucasus. Snot is not held in high esteem.
                  The steam locomotive has long been invented.

                  If there is another way of mutual existence - please post it.
                  1. +2
                    October 18 2021
                    Hello.
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    A reciprocal Toughness, Strength and Respect is needed ...

                    This requires will and desire. Both "above" and "below". But, unfortunately, this is not the case.
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Even gentleness and correctness are perceived by the Czechs as weakness.

                    And are we supposed to play by their rules? Become rude and arrogant? Recreate communities and clans? How do you imagine that? One need not remember about the "one law for all". We are all equal in front of him, but some are more equal. How many cases when even the police stand and do nothing, seeing a raging Caucasian ...
              4. +3
                October 18 2021
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Have you won? No. For this it was necessary to cut out ALL the people.

                Exactly. And everyone who is now criticizing something, writing all sorts of nonsense about tribute, should bear this in mind.

                But HOW this clan brought "order" among its own people ... they do not write, and this is correct, otherwise ordinary people will have enough kondraty.

                So it was, and it is. hi
              5. +2
                October 18 2021
                Quote: Aleks tv
                But our two peoples are better off living in peace with each other.

                Or maybe in the world, but not nearby. There are too many problems.
            2. +15
              October 18 2021
              Warriors? Abreks. Stalin correctly removed them from the North Caucasus. By the way, he did it gently. Joseph Vissarionovich was definitely not a fool.
          2. +12
            October 18 2021
            And then there is the concept of "Civilization". Our civilization is known for the mass destruction of savages and, at the same time, for humanism. The savages were destroyed because they were unable to understand what humanism was and perceived it as a weakness.
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            1. +2
              October 18 2021
              They love to smile. Long live the best Pykhtotin citizen of Hydrant !!!
          4. +3
            October 18 2021
            Let's compare which people took more territory during their evolution. And then it will become clear who the warrior is. And it is so clear that this is the multinational people of the United States, the multinational people of Russia and .. Who else can compare with us? What can I say! Strength, weakness ... Subtle scientist Sakharov from this point of view will be a greater warrior than many. Think about it.
            1. +6
              October 18 2021
              Quote: WertGan
              which people took more territory for their evolution. And then it will become clear who the warrior is. And it is so clear that this is the multinational people of the United States, the multinational people of Russia

              The multinational people of the United States bought territory from the Indians for beads, and also squeezed this territory by force, exceeding their opponent by an order of magnitude in technology and organization, at the same time pitting Indian tribes against each other, and infecting the Chingachgooks with European diseases. Alaska is again the USA Bought from Russia. But Russia conquered its territories (especially the European part). Including rivals of equal strength, such as Sweden and the Ottoman Empire. In the Asian part, of course, there were no major wars, due to the not very suitable territory for living, although here one cannot fail to note the campaigns of Yermak Timofeevich, other Cossack atamans and tsarist governors.
          5. +1
            October 18 2021
            And about "shoot" is generally a pearl. It is obvious that collective weapons wins (brings peace) in wars: from guns to submarines and aircraft carriers.
          6. +5
            October 18 2021
            Quote: Aleks tv
            They themselves have to give a decent answer to the shit that happened, which they got themselves into.
            Otherwise, in the eyes of people like me (former opponents), they will lose their serious Military Status.
            Either Men or Not.
            Somehow and nothing else.

            The tribal society lives by its own laws.
            Yours is always right. Even if he is wrong 100 times.
            This is the norm for them. Otherwise, they simply do not understand.
            I see nothing surprising in their behavior.
          7. +1
            October 19 2021
            In Russia, at such a pace, it will soon be possible to shoot only in the army and at the shooting range, and for the rest of the period it will be long.
          8. +2
            October 19 2021
            Quote: Aleks tv
            They themselves must give a decent answer to the happened shit

            Why yourself? Is there no leadership in the Rossguard? And the management has already given the answer - handed them carp berets.
      3. +2
        October 18 2021
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Very controversial. Everyone has tricky ones

        Well, yes ... Well, yes ... Is it okay when the republic's budget for 86, 4% consists of subsidies? A? How do you like it? Barks and bites because nobody undresses her?
    2. +12
      October 18 2021
      And I liked the situation. If the spirits buy berets, then they will also fight for money, hoping to pay off.
    3. +30
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Tucan
      some believe, because of their nationality, they are special and can get away with it.

      Not only that, but above all:
      the leadership of the competition took the side of the participants who violated the rules and norms of the fighting brotherhood

      All the troubles from this in the country ..... and after all, among this guide, too, for sure, there are "krapoviki" ....
      1. +28
        October 18 2021
        There is nothing surprising in what happened, absolutely nothing, everything is within the framework of the social and moral system that has developed in the country and is so fostered by the authorities, "no honor, no conscience, only loot and connections." ZY-what, so quickly forgot the "run" on the "Gelendvagens" of one, so to speak "power" academy? wink
        1. +27
          October 18 2021
          Quote: Snail N9
          everything within the framework of the social and moral system that has developed in the country and is so fostered by the authorities

          Well, the "market economy", her mother am
        2. +8
          October 18 2021
          Quote: Snail N9
          social and moral order

          I will correct - "socially immoral system" laughing
      2. AUL
        +28
        October 18 2021
        Quote: Lara Croft
        the leadership of the competition took the side of the participants who violated the rules and norms of the fighting brotherhood
        All the troubles from this in the country ...

        Well - "Putin's infantrymen"! Who will give them offense? The most elite part of the guarantor's personal guard!
    4. +16
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Tucan
      the fact is that some people think, because of their nationality, they are special and they can get away with it.

      And it comes off. Often they get off with a condition where an ordinary Russian would receive a sentence.
    5. +11
      October 18 2021
      The decision should be unambiguous, the removal of all servicemen of the "distinguished" units from surrender to the maroon takes for a period of three years.
    6. +1
      October 19 2021
      The creator of the Vityaz special forces and Hero of Russia Sergei Lysyuk, in an interview with News.ru, explained why Abdul-Kerim, a relative of the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, was removed from the test to obtain a maroon beret.
      According to him, the man "got off on a march." At the same time, no conflict arose between the instructors and representatives of Chechnya during the delivery of the standards, he noted.
      "There was no fight, all the tests passed as expected. Nobody ever gives a ride to anyone. Who will give a lift there? Those who handed in a beret themselves take tests, they will not give anyone a beret for free. This is a matter of honor," Lysyuk stressed.
      1. +2
        October 19 2021
        Quote: datura23
        The creator of the Vityaz special forces and Hero of Russia Sergei Lysyuk, in an interview with News.ru, explained why Abdul-Kerim, a relative of the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, was removed from the test to obtain a maroon beret.
        According to him, the man "got off on a march." At the same time, no conflict arose between the instructors and representatives of Chechnya during the delivery of the standards, he noted.
        "There was no fight, all the tests passed as expected. Nobody ever gives a ride to anyone. Who will give a lift there? Those who handed in a beret themselves take tests, they will not give anyone a beret for free. This is a matter of honor," Lysyuk stressed.

        I think that the journalists inflated an elephant out of a fly. On the march, the participants are always followed by the "Ural", where those who left the race for some reason are loaded. And they decided that they were being brought up. And everything else, the fight and the strike of Vityaz is sewn with white thread and there is no confirmation, except for the video recording of Vatsap's voice messages from some unknown citizen.
    7. +2
      October 19 2021
      Quote: Tucan
      Indeed, what happened in my head does not fit. It seems to me that the fact is that some people think, because of their nationality, they are special and they can get away with it.


      And what does nationality have to do with it? When did we have a new military oath? Like in 1993 ... So for two years the Army defended those leaders whom it was supposed to destroy. And even swore so in Soviet times. make!
      Remember Ryazanov's movie feed: "Promised Heaven"? That's it!

      In this case, the question is pertinent: "But in general, why do we need such an anachronism as an oath? Anyway, we will accept a new one as soon as possible ..... It's stupid to lie to ourselves .... you guys are from an oak tree or something ... ...? "

      And then. all at once and falls into place. These Chechens are simply more honest than many others because they have no hypocrisy. They threw it away. cheap stupid ones. stamps.

      And the purchased berets, after everything that has already been heaped up, is the smallest little thing ... Lost. head through the hair is silly to cry.
    8. +1
      October 20 2021
      some believe, because of their nationality, they are special and can get away with it.
      Isn't the policy of the Russian Federation, in relation to the Russians, such an indicator? Russians are not even recognized for the people, at the legislative level. There is no such people in the Russian Federation. All the rest are there, but there are no Russians .. I’m interested in something else, if this is not an element of genocide, then what?
  3. +50
    October 18 2021
    Caucasians are incorrigible. The main thing is show-off. The maroon beret is a symbol of the special. I can't honestly get it, I have to buy it.
    1. -8
      October 18 2021
      Well, not all one size fits all. I myself am from Stavropol, I personally know many Caucasians. And many of them would never agree to such a shame. And some of them personally handed over both the maroon and green berets (we have a division of the Russian Guard in the city).

      However, this is not the first time I have heard rumors about such "tricks". Only I can’t personally confirm it, but I’m not used to believing rumors.
      1. +5
        October 18 2021
        I think, Artyom, rumors will not be born from scratch. If nine out of ten behave in the same way, then you judge by them, and not by the tenth, which has not yet been met by everyone.
        1. -4
          October 18 2021
          I think another law applies here. A certain substance has a habit of floating upward. Of course, this is not about oil. Few people will pay attention to water lilies in such a pond.

          I repeat: Caucasians are very different. There are also enough of such as from the famous video in the metro (in fairness it should be said that such people are not less common among Russians), but the majority are normal people. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
    2. +2
      October 18 2021
      Incorrigibility does not take place, there is an assumption of situations to be.
      1. +4
        October 18 2021
        For the situation to be tolerated, you need a proposal. It was. From whom? Not from the admissions committee, or whatever it is. And we are back to incorrigibility again. Our people, having earned their take, cry with happiness, but what will the Caucasian do? With screams the lezginka will begin to dance to the shouts of fellow tribesmen - "ah, handsome ..."
        I think so.
        1. +2
          October 18 2021
          You know, any specialist does what the corresponding system tells and allows. Personally, I do not divide people into races / nations / nationalities, but only into people / non-people, and any issue can, accordingly, be resolved by people in a human way.
    3. +3
      October 18 2021
      I have one well-known Caucasian, so he told me that "money is nothing, show off everything!"
  4. +52
    October 18 2021
    Why be surprised? Ladies put on general's shoulder straps as soon as possible, awards, including those involving participation in hostilities, are given to people far from the army. Could get to the speckles. Everything is being decided with us, if we have money.
    1. +29
      October 18 2021
      You are right, in our kingdom of crooked mirrors money and connections rule, which devalue any rewards. The maroon beret was no exception.
    2. +5
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Lykases1
      Everything is being decided with us, if we have money.

      If everything were as you say, then this incident would go unnoticed. Everyone would get used to it and stop reacting. I hope that the Council will take an objective decision. Otherwise, one of the most powerful intangible motivators of worthy men may crumble ...
      1. +14
        October 18 2021
        The trouble of all silencers is the Internet, social networks. But be sure that if the event took place, the question will be asked. Quiet, peaceful. The dissatisfied will be gagged, but the satisfied ones are satisfied. Awards, titles are depreciated. It's a shame
    3. +17
      October 18 2021
      By the way, about the awards:

      1. +4
        October 18 2021
        Some even knew that Vladimir Leonidovich's cherished dream was to play the role of a pilot ... And in the film about pilots "The Purpose of His Life" (1957), his name is not even in the credits.
      2. -1
        October 20 2021
        Quote: Snail N9
        By the way, about the awards:


        Sergey Shoigu's awards.
        The current Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, as you know, did not take a direct part in any armed conflict, tk. almost all of his activities for a long time were associated, first with construction, and then with the Ministry of Emergencies.
        However, at the military parades dedicated to the Great Victory of the USSR over the German fascist invaders, the ceremonial uniform of Sergei Kuzhugetovich is dotted with various orders and medals, which we will try to disassemble today!
        1) Badge to the honorary title "Honored Rescuer of the Russian Federation"
        2) Breastplate of a graduate of the Russian Academy of Public Administration under the President
        3) Badge "200 years to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation"
        4) Order of Merit for the Fatherland, II degree
        5) Medal "Gold Star" to the honorary title "Hero of the Russian Federation"
        Top row, left to right:
        6) Order of Alexander Nevsky
        7) Order of Honor
        8) Order "For personal courage"
        9) Medal "Defender of Free Russia"
        10) Medal "In Commemoration of the 850th Anniversary of Moscow"
        Bottom row, left to right:
        11) Medal "For Merit in Conducting the All-Russian Population Census"
        12) Medal "In Commemoration of the 300th Anniversary of St. Petersburg"
        13) Medal "In Commemoration of the 1000th Anniversary of Kazan"
        14) Medal "200 years to the Ministry of Defense"
        15) Medal "For the return of Crimea"
        16) Medal "To the participant of the military operation in Syria"
        17) Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called
        18) Star of the Order of Merit for the Fatherland, II degree

        In fact, he has about twenty different awards of lesser importance at his disposal, but that's a completely different story!

        And they say they will give one more, or maybe they have already given: For cheating in the elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation in 2021.
        This is also taking into account how his subordinates voted, including in Syria.









    4. +6
      October 18 2021
      Yes, if we now give orders and titles easily, then what to say. The title of Hero has long been depreciated.
  5. 0
    October 18 2021
    It seems like the National Guard refutes this fight ... you don't know what to believe. what
    I would like to see specific facts ...
    1. +43
      October 18 2021
      Can you believe a man with a face like Zolotov? laughing
      1. +1
        October 18 2021
        No I can not smile.. I'll tell you a secret at a word, I don't even believe VVP ... I need specific facts ... with names, dates, titles and confirmed circumstances of the incident.
        And so all these are rumors and bazaar talk. hi
        1. +7
          October 18 2021
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          I need specific facts ... with names, dates, titles and confirmed circumstances of the incident.
          And so all these are rumors and bazaar talk.

          And from what source should there be such confirmation that you would believe?
          1. -4
            October 18 2021
            From an uninterested source ... in this matter, the leadership of the National Guard, the Chechens and the special forces are convinced that they are right ... and it is unreasonable to rush to someone else's side without understanding all the details of the case. hi
            1. +8
              October 18 2021
              The last one you can trust here is the officialdom from the shameful National Guard and the Chechens.
    2. +24
      October 18 2021
      Well, yes, no one knows who to believe .. How to whom? Of course, you need to believe the authorities, and not some correspondent, and even from the "Komsomolskaya Pravda" and oh, horror! also to the blogger! It is only necessary to believe in the Tereshkov-Khinstein and the authorities, who tell only one truth and whose inflation in the country does not exceed 7,41% ... Yes
      1. -6
        October 18 2021
        Each person can have their own interest ... especially in our wolf time. smile
        Everything needs to be checked and rechecked before drawing conclusions.
        We will wait for the dust around this case to settle and then we will definitely find out what interest the Chechens, the leadership of the Russian Guard, the blogger and the MK correspondent have in this matter.
        But an official investigation would not hurt to be carried out with the involvement of honored and incorruptible officers.
    3. +7
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It seems like the National Guard refutes this fight ... you don't know what to believe.

      Do you want me to believe him?

      stop The cart - with a run ...
      1. +9
        October 18 2021
        Zolotov is silent, he is waiting for a command from the Kremlin. Refuted by Lysyuk, who shot 46 people at the television center in Ostankino. Although they are worth each other.
    4. +6
      October 18 2021
      It seems like the National Guard refutes this fight ... you don't know what to believe. what
      I would like to see specific facts ...

      Denies the President of the Association for the Social Protection of Special Purpose Units "Brotherhood of purple berets" Vityaz "", board member of the Union of Anti-Terror Veterans Lysyuk.
      That is still a frame. It was he who commanded to shoot those who were storming the television center in Ostankino, for which he received the title of Hero of Russia from Yeltsin. And he was interviewed by Pegov-Gabrelyanov.
      That's all the "concrete" facts. The offender gave an interview to the liar.
      1. 0
        October 20 2021
        Quote: Konnick
        President of the Association for the Social Protection of Special Purpose Units “Brotherhood of Vityaz maroon berets”, board member of the Union of Anti-Terror Veterans Lysyuk.


        Gallery: grandfather, dad (regalia, see above) and sons:




        The son's beret corresponds to local traditions.
        An apple does not fall far from an apple tree.
        All are smeared with one world (gua-m), the smell from all is the same and all correspond to each other.
        And everyone else gets what they deserve.
        1. +1
          October 20 2021
          Maybe someone will find acquaintances:




          1. 0
            October 20 2021
            And about the heroes, read Sokurov:
            "Alexander Sokurov boldly in the face of Putin about the Heroes of Russia who fought against"

            On December 10, at the Human Rights Council in the Kremlin, the famous director and People's Artist Alexander Sokurov dared to reproach Vladimir Putin for underestimating the status of the Hero of Russia title. Probably the conversation did not go according to the script and those present were confused.
            Sokurov asked a question. How can the title of Hero of Russia be awarded to the Pskov paratroopers and those who fought against Russia? And how do they who fought against Russia accept these titles? Mentioning the Kadyrovs.
            In addition, Sokurov said retelling the words of the young Ingush. In the event of a war between Russia and NATO, they will not fight for Russia and will go to the mountains and they have brilliant green. Like that. Why? Because the youth of Ingushetia has no prospects for social development. They do not feel the care and protection of the state. Sokurov explained this.
            Further-
            https://img.opentown.org/news/276450/
        2. +1
          October 20 2021
          Dad (in maroon slang) is a local Margelov, i.e.
          President of the Association for the Social Protection of Special Purpose Units “Brotherhood of Vityaz” Maroon Berets ”, member of the board of the Anti-Terror Veterans Union.
    5. +1
      October 19 2021
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It seems like the National Guard refutes this fight ... you don't know what to believe.
      I would like to see concrete facts.

      Yes, yes ... the earth is still flat, everyone lies about the fact that the earth is round. laughing
  6. +32
    October 18 2021
    ... Simply put, among specialists Rosguards scammers appeared. People without honor and conscience

    Not surprised. You can still remember the sausage duelist.

    it was recorded that Chechen participants are not hesitated to drive up by car

    Why do you name your nationality? Maybe it is necessary to continue the tradition of the authorities to write not "Chechen", but some? Well, so as not to inflate. Peskov does this all the time!

    as a result what was the fight

    And who will win as a result? Why didn't you write the result?

    . Intimidate spetsnaz? Intimidate instructor? Intimidate maroon beret? But there was an attempt to do just that! Intimidate

    Representatives of the proud southern republics have already intimidated the whole country. And it just came to the special forces.
  7. +12
    October 18 2021
    When unsightly things emerge in the army, the generals, as if on command, declare that the army is inextricably linked with society, they say, what kind of society is such an army.
    1. +8
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Aurel
      When unsightly things emerge in the army, the generals, as if on command, declare that the army is inextricably linked with society, they say, what kind of society is such an army.

      Correctly stated. What is the "state-forming" so is the state.
    2. +3
      October 18 2021
      Unsightly things happen in any army, regardless of society.
      1. +7
        October 18 2021
        Quote: ultra
        Unsightly things happen in any army, regardless of society.

        And what - only the most unsightly are taken into the army? Or something like the fact that as they take the oath, they start doing unsightly things? What does it come from, from an oath?
        Unsightly things happen in any society, regardless of the army. So it will be more correct .... Because society is not part of the army, but vice versa.
        Only in one society it is impossible to elect the President once who destroyed the country and then reported to President Bush and danced Kalinkumalinka on this in Berlin, and shot his parliament in Moscow, but we have to elect 2 times. " and mono and nuno "!
        1. +5
          October 18 2021
          EBN The second time was not elected, there Zyuganov won 100%.
      2. +3
        October 18 2021
        Quote: ultra
        Unsightly things happen in any army, regardless of society.

        And when did Rosgvardia become an army?
        The Rosgvardia is a special unit of the internal troops, formed on the basis of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.
        1. +1
          October 18 2021
          Quote: ROSS 42
          And when did Rosgvardia become an army?

          And where did I write that this is the army?
  8. +13
    October 18 2021
    It cannot be otherwise in a class society. The draft estate in fact. as it was, it remains. The main thing for him is "that the men were with the gentlemen."

    Then the serf's soul will calm down ... Of course it will turn. first for the order that he was again for the tenth time fucked up and humiliated .... and it will be silent For there is no other way of life.

    Regardless of official legislation and government. Even though it is Soviet, even though it is anti-Soviet - one fig.

    Well, there are always gentlemen. !!!
    1. +1
      October 18 2021
      Quote: ivan2022
      It cannot be otherwise in a class society.

      Estates society?
      An estate is a social group whose members differ in their legal status: their composition, privileges and duties are determined by law; belonging to estates, as a rule, it is inherited.
      Who is our hereditary prince? laughing
      1. +2
        October 19 2021
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Estate society? ....... Who is our hereditary pryntz? laughing

        Uh-huh ... not formal. A.S. Pushkin wrote, "The custom is a despot among the people." Community custom, not formalities

        Here is Stalin; in fact was the King! And formally he was neither a "hereditary prince", nor in the government of the USSR from 1923 to 1940. Not even a minister.
        He was formally the secretary of a public organization and formally, according to the charter, he could be replaced by any plenum of the Central Committee. (Khrushchev, by the way, was dismissed once) The position of "party chairman" as in the United Russia or in the CPC, in the VKPb / KPSS, was not ..... you know that the secretary is the kind of person who keeps minutes of meetings? Since 1922, Stalin was formally just like that.

        Well, you are like straight from another planet ...... we also have the President - in fact - the Tsar. 21 years already on the throne. Are you such a democrat that you still did not know this?
        Elections are all a convention in our country. Ivan the Terrible and Mikhail Romanov were also elected.
    2. -7
      October 18 2021
      Quote: ivan2022
      It cannot be otherwise in a class society. The draft estate in fact

      There were a lot of things in your beloved USSR too, calm down.
      1. +1
        October 19 2021
        Quote: Dart2027
        There were a lot of things in your beloved USSR too, calm down.


        Mr. Dart2027 type "heard the ringing" ....... yes you read carefully. It was like that in the USSR too.
        1. 0
          October 19 2021
          Quote: ort
          Mr. Dart2027 type "heard the ringing" ....... yes you read carefully.

          Then what is it all about? Moaning about the wrong people?
  9. +31
    October 18 2021
    Apparently, the incident took place, although now he will chatter.
    And the reaction of the authorities is known - despite the violations identified,
    insignia (berets) were awarded to the applicants, and the head of the republic informed everyone about this. In general, there is nothing in this for our country
    surprising, we have long been accustomed to this, distributing titles and awards
    not at all deserving of merit.
    1. +4
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Bez 310
      we have been taught this for a long time by distributing titles and awards
      not at all deserving of merit.

      You bet ... started back in the 1960s ...
      Stalin was modest in awards - and Brezhnev had already suffered ...
    2. +15
      October 18 2021
      You can even fall into a waterfall and get a hero ... Yes
      1. 0
        October 20 2021
        Quote: Snail N9
        You can even fall into a waterfall and get a hero ...


        And now Peresfield for atrophy of intimate muscles what to count on?
    3. -4
      October 18 2021
      This situation will be considered at the council of the "Purple Berets", and Lysyuk will not be silent either. And the "newly minted" more than once will need to go to the change, they may, after all, drop it, so that they will deprive the beret.
    4. +11
      October 18 2021
      and what do you want from a country that has taken the flag of the merchant fleet as its state))
      all for sale! so we will win!))
  10. +24
    October 18 2021
    Capitalism! Everything is bought and sold.
    Maroon berets, titles of academicians, masters of sports - all for sale.
    We have such a state today ...
    1. +13
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Million
      Capitalism! Everything is bought and sold.
      Maroon berets, titles of academicians, masters of sports - all for sale.
      We have such a state today ...

      good The seats of deputies, the seats of officials ... Today I was pleasantly surprised by his income statement by someone known to the majority, Mr. Tkachev:


      Read more here:
      https://declarator.org/person/516/
      1. +8
        October 18 2021
        Today I was pleasantly surprised with his income statement by someone who is well-known to the majority, Mr. Tkachev:

        I was surprised by YOU. The fact that you are surprised.
        We are in place, we were surprised on this particular issue VERY many years ago.
        And our numerous surprise, until now, has not grown into anything more serious.
        To be surprised is our civil and inalienable right. Till the end of time...
  11. +7
    October 18 2021
    the leadership of the competition took the side of the participants who violated the rules and norms of the fighting brotherhood

    And who are the judges?)))
  12. +12
    October 18 2021
    It's good that the border troops have a green cap, you don't need to hand over anything. The green beret did not take root as it is not worn in the service. I don’t remember anyone wearing it. Now the cap is the main headpiece. In vain the caps were removed, the liner is good. Pilots, with clothing allowance, were given out, but only one warrant officer, a man and a woman, wore.
    1. +1
      October 18 2021
      Pilots at PoE?
      1. +2
        October 18 2021
        Well, yes, I have one more, took one, then refused. Of the entire Border Administration, only one male warrant officer wore it, the rest were either caps (mostly officers) or caps (mostly warrant officers and sergeants, privates). Women, staff officers wore caps, caps are very rare. Women wore caps if they interceded in outfits at the checkpoint. Only the head of the canteen wore a cap all the time. Nobody wore berets, I don't even know officially they were introduced into the PV form. I saw drunk people in berets on May 28, yeah. There was one lieutenant colonel who suggested that the exam should be like carp. But there were no volunteers, we said that we liked wearing caps and caps. Personally, I don't see any expediency in berets. Pilot cap and caps can be used as a comforter, they are warmer, they cover the ears. And it just takes an element of farce, belonging to a certain group. In combat conditions, it has no great value. Yes, and in our army, he did not have a strong distribution, before being adopted as a headdress in the Airborne Forces.
  13. +7
    October 18 2021
    In "Vostok" they think that everything is bought and sold, unfortunately now this is a rule, not an exception.
    I hope that those who defended themselves and tried to justify the cunning little guys will be punished, and those who went for forgery will be discharged from the authorities with a "wolf ticket".
    The cardinal's guards - damn it.
  14. +14
    October 18 2021
    It's not about the beret at all. The most important thing is the fighting brotherhood. Strengthening bonds. Honor, dignity, respect. There is no this. There is only treacherous indifference. And maybe worse than just indifference. What turns out, our land is our rules. Leave the honor in Russia, for yourself. And ours is a little different.
    1. 0
      October 19 2021
      there is such an opinion
      1. 0
        October 20 2021
        I didn't say something about the MTR ... Strange. Although, this is his opinion. But, in part, I agree with him. In Donbass, ordinary men fought, who deserved to be called "special forces". Ideological people. In a good sense of the word.
        1. 0
          October 20 2021
          Well, he said what he said. Whoever understood, he understood. He is a real person, a real warrior and a real warrior.
  15. +2
    October 18 2021
    A tank headset is generally a tank's accessory, put the car in the box, took off the headset! The beauty! And there are not many cunning ones, and they do not pass off as something, peace and blessing!
  16. +4
    October 18 2021
    This is certainly a shame and shame. But this is not an exception to the rule, but rather a rule in Russia.

    How can an ordinary person with training and education, for example, get into group "A", into the special forces of the FSB, or just the police (traffic police), the prosecutor's office, or the court?

    Only through cronyism and money.

    And the Chechens also, they just do it more openly.
    1. +9
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      How can an ordinary person with training and education, for example, get into group "A", into the special forces of the FSB, or just the police (traffic police), the prosecutor's office, or the court?

      Not hard and difficult. I don’t know about the FSB, but it’s not difficult at all to go to the police, the prosecutor’s office or the court. In the police, for example, there is a huge shortage, soon they will probably literally be recruited from beer stalls.
      1. +4
        October 18 2021
        Quote: Obliterator
        In the police, for example, there is a huge shortage,

        And a lot of turnover. Because the working conditions are simply unbearable. I say this because there are many friends of employees, both former and current. Today it is not realistic to reach retirement age.
        1. +1
          October 18 2021
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And a lot of turnover. Because the working conditions are simply unbearable. I say this because there are many friends of employees, both former and current. Today it is not realistic to reach retirement age.

          And that too. Like many things in the country, this service is in decline. It is possible to reach retirement age, but you have to be either a fanatic, ready to sacrifice the service at all, or take a warm place where there are no crazy shifts and normal 40 hours of work per week. There are also such places.
      2. +1
        October 18 2021
        Directly in the traffic police incomplete? )) Also tell me they don’t take bribes. A large "shortage" only in the prosecutor's office and the court)).

        And the "A" group, like all the FSBs, were already getting drunk to unimaginable limits.

        Just a shame and a shame.

        And the difference between Chechens and Russians in terms of getting warm places and shoulder straps is only that Chechens are more straightforward and arrogant, while Russians are a little more cunning.

        Take off the pink glasses.
        1. +2
          October 18 2021
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          Directly in the traffic police incomplete? )) Also tell me they don’t take bribes. A large "shortage" only in the prosecutor's office and the court)).

          Incomplete. It can be seen even from the list of vacancies on the websites of the regional departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Not everywhere, of course. By the way, it is also not difficult to get to the prosecutor's office, court or the Investigative Committee - as a public assistant you go there for a year or two, and if you get accustomed, then most likely they will take the first vacancy. Many of my fellow students in the law faculty work there. And this is never a golden youth.
          1. 0
            October 19 2021
            The fact of the matter is that it is simply impossible to get into such organizations by selection. Often you need cronyism and often money.

            I myself graduated from the profile institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. All who studied there - all were by pull, there were no simple ones.
            1. 0
              October 19 2021
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              The fact of the matter is that it is simply impossible to get into such organizations by selection. Often you need cronyism and often money.

              I myself graduated from the profile institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. All who studied there - all were by pull, there were no simple ones.

              About impossible - do not renounce. In large cities it may be so, but in the provinces (not counting the south) there are enough of all. Village people without connections and cronies - too. And from the universities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, too, all sorts of people come. The dirty service in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for a meager salary is not interesting for golden youth.
        2. 0
          October 19 2021
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          pink glasses.


          About rose-colored glasses. And about something floated or failed somewhere. Those. something happened that should have happened or it was and was hidden.
          Two articles about the same thing.

          "There was approximately the same attitude towards everyone": representatives of the council of maroon berets spoke about the situation with the tests in the North Caucasus
          https://topwar.ru/188196-ko-vsem-bylo-priblizitelno-odinakovoe-otnoshenie-predstaviteli-soveta-krapovyh-beretov-vyskazalis-o-situacii-s-ispytanijami.html#comment-id-11863490
  17. +7
    October 18 2021
    In general, I agree with the article, but to call the Ostankino executioner Lysyuk - a respected person, an excellent officer. This is already beyond any scope!
  18. -4
    October 18 2021
    Lysyuk is right, first you need to figure it out ... and then Kots wrote that "they took off two dozen, but they still got berets the next day."
    1. +4
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Barberry25
      Kots wrote that "they took off two dozen, but they still got berets the next day."

      They removed all the participants in the conflict.
      But some who later turned out to be more equal than other equals ...
      1. -1
        October 18 2021
        or they received others .. then you need to wait for a detailed investigation, in such cases, very often the initial information is incorrect .. the same Kots is now already writing that the participants in the conflict will be punished by Ramzan himself.
        1. +3
          October 18 2021
          Quote: Barberry25
          the same Kots is now writing that the participants in the conflict will be punished by Ramzan himself.

          Sounds like faith that God will punish! laughing
          And the fact that there will be a trial - according to the results, it will not go beyond the already announced official version. I bet.
          1. -1
            October 18 2021
            officially? most likely it will not work, because no one will sweep the dirty linen out of public, but the neophytes will be org. conclusions, so I think to those who received berets yesterday and to whom there were complaints, next year there will be a very interesting retake
            1. +2
              October 18 2021
              Quote: Barberry25
              , but the neophyte will be org. conclusions,

              I am aware of how informal org. conclusions. laughing
              1. -1
                October 18 2021
                laughing in such cases, one thing is important.
              2. -4
                October 18 2021
                what what kind of a radish puts cons?
  19. +16
    October 18 2021
    Zolotov will now deny everything and put out the scandal. They push, buy, hush up at any cost. And the sediment will remain and will become a tradition in the Caucasus. Why are Czechs allowed, but not dages?
    1. +1
      October 20 2021
      Zolotov will now deny everything and put out the scandal.


      What’s the first time?
      Quite a little time passed when they expected that it would be removed and what?
  20. +26
    October 18 2021
    I feel that soon we will see the Vityaz fighters apologizing.
  21. +3
    October 18 2021
    Corruption in Russia penetrates into the last, still clean capillaries of society. Soon everything will be finally infected. And then the crash.
    1. +1
      October 19 2021
      Quote: Glagol1
      Corruption in Russia penetrates into the last, still clean capillaries of society. Soon everything will be finally infected. And then the crash.


      And what do you mean by the pure capillaries of society.
  22. +4
    October 18 2021

    Nothing is sacred in this power.
    1. -1
      October 23 2021
      Quote: DED_peer_DED
      Nothing is sacred in this power.


  23. +4
    October 18 2021
    Vest of sailors and paratroopers. The sailors' peakless cap. Tank headset. This is material evidence of belonging to a particular caste of people. It's like a reward for what this person has done.

    What is the reward for the vest? This is a type of jersey that has been worn by anyone for quite some time, often having nothing to do with even the civilian fleet, let alone the military.
    None of the above are state or departmental awards. These are ordinary garments that MAY be part of a military uniform, but only complete with the rest of the elements of the corresponding type of this very uniform.
    1. +1
      October 18 2021
      Quote: Terran Ghost
      having nothing to do with even the civilian fleet, let alone the military

      I wonder what your "even" means? Civilian sailors and fishermen are lower caste, or what?
      1. +3
        October 19 2021
        Civilian sailors and fishermen are lower caste, or what?

        What does "lower caste" mean. In our country, in general, the equality of citizens is enshrined in the Constitution and laws of the Russian Federation. That is, employees of the civil sea and river fleet are the same citizens with the same rights and freedoms as representatives of any other professions.
        I only said that these citizens are not at all military personnel (this is, if anything, a special legal status established by law, characteristic of persons holding positions involving military service in the ranks of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, or other federal state structures that have the staff of the military service position).
        1. 0
          October 19 2021
          Quote: Terran Ghost
          I just said that these citizens are not at all military personnel.

          Thanks for the clarification. Otherwise, I inadvertently thought that the military [sailors] allowed civilians to wear a vest conditionally until the first recovery.
  24. +15
    October 18 2021
    Well, not really messy, but a serious clash was 100%, there is enough evidence, and the comments of the management are shameful.
    I am impressed by Tatarsky's speech on this topic:
    Another confirmation that many leaders live on another planet, not understanding what is happening around.

    Now representatives of the Russian Guard declare that there was no fight at all, i.e. offer us not to believe our own eyes. Apparently, these officials were left to live in an era when the source of information was only the Pravda newspaper or the only TV channel.
    1. -1
      October 18 2021
      do they have a choice? no one in their right mind will recognize the existence of a fight, but the consequences will be in any case ..
      1. +6
        October 18 2021
        There is always a choice. Correctly and honestly publicly admit and responsibly, objectively resolve the issue. The face is kept in perfect order, the authority too, the respect grows.
        1. +2
          October 18 2021
          correctly and honestly, as they say in Odessa, there are two big differences .. Since if you do everything "honestly", you will have to leave a lot of officers, and not related to this incident at all .. Not to mention zero effectiveness to remove the possibility of a relapse ..
          1. +3
            October 18 2021
            The salt of the statement in the need for action, the presence of the possibility of relapse in no way postulates outright chewing and misinformation. You will have to, you will have to, what will have to be better than inaction and yesterday's liquid excrement.
            I wholeheartedly support the resolution of the shame in a fair and constructive manner, without meat and shouting.

            As they say in Odessa, I know, I lived there for many years)
            1. -2
              October 18 2021
              in fact, first you need to figure it out, and then act, otherwise we very often offer to chop off the shoulder without even understanding what and how it was
              1. 0
                October 18 2021
                Absolutely right - to understand and act. And do not lie, disgrace.
                1. -3
                  October 18 2021
                  In general, Var Gonzo came out with an interview, briefly everyone told what was there
                  1. +4
                    October 18 2021
                    Arms crossed and wiggling, you see it (sic!) With all due respect to the elderly specialist, everyone understands everything. Thanks for the link, but I don't like War Gonzo, although I am subscribed to TG. About shooting, in the sense of the remainder of the cartridges smiled.
                    1. 0
                      October 18 2021
                      Well, on the same records, like the specialists confirm that this was a shooting. In fact, there will be two conclusions - public, that there was nothing, all the rules, and internal ..
                      1. +1
                        October 18 2021
                        Here, ideally, it is desirable that both conclusions go hand in hand, without everything that the dialogue was about above.
                      2. -2
                        October 18 2021
                        well, we will know the result next year already ... when the new exam will be
  25. +22
    October 18 2021
    Hmm ...
    How to pick:
    Defense Minister with State Duma elections ..
    "Honor guard" at the parties of all kinds of rabble ...
    Purple berets ...

    Isn't it a shame yet?
    1. +5
      October 18 2021
      Minister of Defense without a single day of service in the army, without military education.
      1. -4
        October 18 2021
        and? when we had a minister with a specialized education, he lost the war, and instead of serving the generals, the soldiers built summer cottages and leased them ... or is this something else, and you need to understand?
        1. -2
          October 19 2021
          Quote: Barberry25
          and? when we had a minister with a specialized education, he lost the war, and instead of serving the generals, the soldiers built summer cottages and leased them ... or is this something else, and you need to understand?

          That's it. Personally, I think that Sergei Kүzhүget oglu Shoigu is the best defense minister. And, by the way, the rescuer is the best (he commanded rescuers up to the Ministry of Defense). And the builder is also the best.
          1. 0
            October 20 2021
            Well, take an interest in what the mchsniks say about him. Several retirees work for me. They can't stand him.
            1. -3
              October 20 2021
              and when our rank and file were satisfied with something? we have a fundamental dislike for the authorities in the blood .. because "I know better than others what and how it works, but they don't know fools"
              1. +1
                October 20 2021
                we have a fundamental dislike for bosses in our blood ..


                Do not write nonsense or you have not seen more than one standing commander in your life?
            2. +1
              October 20 2021
              Quote: MikhailRus
              Well, take an interest in what the martyrs say about him.

              I do not need to be specially interested - I, as a (alas, already a former) caver, have a lot of acquaintances in the local Krasnoyarsk Emergencies Ministry. And I know how it is there. And one of my aunts (a builder, already retired) once worked directly with Sergei Kүzhүgetovich oglu Shoigu. Unfortunately, I cannot quote her opinion about Sergei Kozhugetovich - the filter will not pass (the aunt, as a former builder, is not shy about expressions).
              And my post was sarcasm, if that. ))
          2. 0
            October 20 2021
            And Kadyrov is probably the best infantryman? Is Putin the best president?
        2. -1
          October 20 2021
          What kind of war?
    2. -2
      October 18 2021
      this is called the presence of cellular communication and the Internet ..
      1. 0
        October 19 2021
        Quote: Shahno
        Traditions are already 2000 years old.

        Take more - 5000 years. Since the days of the first pyramids.
  26. +10
    October 18 2021
    As far as I understand, they will have the berets?
    I think yes...
    If so, it will be a disgrace for the National Guard ...
  27. +8
    October 18 2021
    As it becomes disgusting after just such news and video ... They defiled everything sacred associated with honor, valor, in a word, WARRIOR.
    1. +5
      October 18 2021
      these are the realities of Putin's Russia
  28. +12
    October 18 2021
    It sucks, of course, but why such confidence that under capitalism, something can not be sold and something can not be bought? If the army were a separate state - an ally of Russia, then it would be possible to demand, but in our country, as before, the party and the army are united, and the party is full of businessmen, which is more trenchant than saboteurs.
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  30. +13
    October 18 2021
    The fish rots from the head! 100%! This fish is Zolotov! And you look, what he did with OMSDON ?! And the military institutes, prostitutes? Personally, I graduated from the Novosibirsk Higher Military Command School of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR !!! Well, who thought of calling my school an institute ???
  31. +6
    October 18 2021
    A million does not smell)) proud highlanders forgot about pride and behaved like girls of easy virtue.
    A guide with a wolf ticket depriving all awards and titles. Based on the results of the inspection by the prosecutor's office, the center should either be completely reorganized or liquidated. It is forbidden to hold any examinations in the republics.
  32. +8
    October 18 2021


    As expected, the management said that everything seemed to everyone, nothing happened. "All is well lovely marquis, all is well." Personally, for a complete withdrawal, I only wait for the reaction of the grassroots owners of maroon berets.
    1. +1
      October 20 2021
      Quote: rait
      Personally, for a complete withdrawal, I am only waiting for the reaction of the grass-roots owners of maroon berets.


      The grassroots have already said.
      1. 0
        October 20 2021
        Someone from the "old departed" can comment on the photo with the hero to ...... and the text.
    2. +1
      October 20 2021
      As expected, the management said that everything seemed to everyone, nothing happened.


      Well, what do you want from the commander of the execution in Ostankino on October 3, 1993, for which, by the way, he received the Hero of Russia.
      Losing such a place and position is bad manners.
      Although the idea of ​​obtaining a maroon beret is almost ingenious, although today there is no such confidence.
  33. +3
    October 18 2021
    Considering that the American military, once at the special forces championship, refused to participate in the competition, so as not to disgrace the whole world, interesting versions creep in about the occurrence of this provocation.
  34. +6
    October 18 2021
    And the hero of Russia - Kadyrov?
    1. +1
      October 20 2021
      Quote: Drot Gyt
      And the hero of Russia - Kadyrov?


      Why only him?
      Serdyukov, Makarov, Kirienko, Zelimzanov.
      Can someone else add?


      Regarding Zelimkhanov in Novaya: Colonel "Nepomniachtchi"
      About what the commander of the battalion "Sever" Alibek Delimkhanov told the court in the case of Nemtsov.
      The former commander of the Sever battalion, Alibek Delimkhanov, came to the trial in the case of the murder of Boris Nemtsov, under whose command the alleged killer served.
      https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2017/01/17/71179-polkovnik-nepomnyaschiy
      1. 0
        October 20 2021
        Quote: DDZ57
        Serdyukov, Makarov, Kirienko, Zelimzanov.


        Serdyukov, Makarov, Kirienko, Zelimkhanov... That's right.
  35. +7
    October 18 2021
    Those. the "incident" has occurred. The fact became known.
    Therefore, if in the very near future the public does not hear about the measures taken and the prevention of the wearing of a beret by the guilty, then this ordinary people will not be considered as a beret. EVERYONE WILL THINK THAT IS PURCHASED OR RECEIVED BY BLAT. This means that its value will be equal to the cap of a recruit in the pipeline troops.
  36. +10
    October 18 2021
    You cannot trust these people, you cannot turn your back! Grozny is a Russian city built by Russians! These "warriors" have never done anything good with their own hands, and what has been done for them will never be appreciated! And this incident with the beret is just another proof that Ermolov, Pushkin, Lermontov, Budanov are right! And all the fighters who reduced this population are worthy of deep respect ...
  37. 0
    October 18 2021
    https://ok.ru/video/90646252055. Это осталось
  38. +1
    October 18 2021
    And why am I not surprised ...
  39. +5
    October 19 2021
    After all, now, anyone who sees a Chechen in a maroon beret will think to himself that it is in the purchased one.

    this is exactly what they think about the Chechen "heroes" of Russia, when the star of the hero was distributed en masse to the "bearded men" who had killed thousands of Russian soldiers and civilians ...
  40. +1
    October 19 2021
    "You don't understand anything: it's not that!" ©
  41. +4
    October 19 2021
    "Vityaz" takes off its berets in protest. Boggles the mind!
    And why is there incomprehensible? One of the commanders of the Rosgvardia, as they say now, Russian-speaking, arrived to deal with the fight. The conflict was settled. And in the morning it turned out that the Chechen swindlers would all get their beret. Flared up again. Everything is natural.
    Like all the commanders and chiefs of our present army, he stole and took bribes. Chechens have been building their careers in the Russian bureaucracy for 30 years in a simple and effective way. They collect information about bribes and thefts of commanders and chiefs, and at the right time they present it. The same thing happened here.
    The people who go into battle instead of the bullshit Chechens rebelled again. That's the whole mystery) "High combat readiness" of this army - do our elites really believe in it ?! Having built an army in their own image and likeness, they clearly expect that all this thieves will turn out to be tough commanders, after whom their subordinates will go to death. So it will be) Chechens who have bought everything and everyone (including, apparently, immortality) will go in the forefront)
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  43. 0
    October 19 2021
    Once upon a time we had a tradition to address through attributes. Traditions are already 2000 years old.
    We spoke through clothes ..
  44. +2
    October 19 2021
    "Buy a maroon beret"

    Listen, colleagues - even doctoral dissertations are being bought. True, in the natural sciences (where I have the honor to be a member of two dissertation councils) they are not bought yet - but in the public they are already reckless. Why are you so concerned about buying a maroon beret? Honestly, I can't understand.
  45. 0
    October 20 2021
    Why was it possible)
  46. -1
    October 20 2021
    Offended and filed a report.
  47. +2
    October 20 2021
    If the Special Forces began to rot, and even from the head, things are bad for Russia ...
    "Not everything is all right in the Danish kingdom."
  48. -1
    October 23 2021
    "The Rosgvardia denied the information about the fight at the test on the maroon beret," yeah, they would have admitted it.
  49. 0
    October 25 2021
    Chechnya's maroon berets received well-deserved merci

    The Kadyrov Foundation donated a Mercedes to two Chechen special forces, who received maroon berets following a recent scandalous competition in the Stavropol Territory. According to Kadyrov, "the Chechen servicemen coped with all the tests successfully" and "this testifies to the high level of physical and combat training of the Chechen fighters."

    See https://mayday.rocks/krapovye-berety-chechni-poluchili-zasluzhennye-mersy/
    1. 0
      December 17 2021
      Judging by the photo, these Mercians were the target of the competition. And the berets came as a bonus, not really necessary.

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