"We must hit to kill": a military expert suggested "teach a lesson" to NATO ships violating the Russian border

The US and NATO are testing Russia "for strength" by arranging provocations with entry into Russian territorial waters; they need to be "taught a lesson." This opinion was expressed by military expert Viktor Baranets on the air of Vladimir Solovyov's program "SolovievLive", released on YouTube.

The expert commented on the latest provocation of the Americans, staged by the US Navy destroyer Chafee in the Sea of ​​Japan, when an American attempt to enter the territorial waters of Russia was suppressed by the Admiral Tributs of the Pacific Ocean fleetapproaching the destroyer at a distance of 60 meters.

According to Barantz, Russia needs to revise the law on the state border, significantly tightening it in order to once and for all show the US and NATO ships that no one is allowed to violate the Russian border. The expert emphasized that now it is allowed to shoot only at the course of the intruder ship with the aim of expelling it, but it is necessary to beat to kill. Only before that, it is necessary to notify all countries in advance about what may follow the violation.

It's okay if we from some destroyer arrange a mass grave for 300 American corpses in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation

- he said, adding that the time has come to "show strength" and "teach a lesson" to the Americans, otherwise the provocations will continue.

Baranets is confident that a single incident with the sinking of an intruder ship will not lead to war, but it will teach the Americans and their allies to respect Russian laws.

(...) By chance it was possible ... The sight of a Chinese or our destroyer was lost. Well, throw the wreaths into the water. Crew there - 325 people

- he added, referring to the latest incident in the Sea of ​​Japan.

Comments

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In some ways, Baranets is right. Yes, it will be hard. But henceforth, they will understand what the threat of violation of the border.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

In some ways, Baranets is right.

He is right. And the war, LOGIC, should not be.

But who knows what the American senile will turn on in his former head?


An example is better to choose a Dutch ship, English, Danish ..

[VORON538]

In this case, the ship's ownership will not matter much. At least Danish, English, or Japanese (although samurai only scream "kurilnas"). All the same, a gang of American satellites led by a godfather will take up arms against Russia. So if they are ready to sink the ship - the violator, then you do not need to look at his belonging, you have to beat. And if you are not ready to make certain changes to the law on the protection of the State Border, then there is nothing to discuss.

[Shurik70]

A ram was used in the USSR.
They scared the amerikosy to the shit (and they almost stopped the rocket right on the move, it's a pity, the cable slipped off).
And that's all. Several years after this, there were no incidents of border violations by ships.
No corpses, no drowning.
That is exactly what is needed.

[alex neym_2]

As far as I know, there is a queue (first) in the course, then in the wheelhouse, and so on increasing: therefore, all violators dump to the side, or slow down, hoping for a global scandal, but those times have passed - now everything is filmed on video in live ... and if the "response" went, then the crabs will not remain hungry ... and what flag is on the chaise ... only if the commander had the courage to take responsibility for himself ...

[VORON538]

It was, they could. Unfortunately, the USSR is no longer there. The military do everything that they are allowed to do, no more.

[Graz]

Shurik70

and what's the use
Yes, there was an example, only our two border ships were scrapped after these rams, and the Americans quietly went home and were repaired. If a ram is prescribed, then it should be carried out by a vessel specially built for this task, with a strong hull with a ram in the nose and good speed

[Looking for]

But where does this information come from? Can you voice the source?

[Shurik70]

Quote: Graz

and what's the use
Yes, there was an example, only we had two border ships were scrapped after these rams, and the Americans calmly went to their place and were repaired

Do not mislead people.
An experienced helmsman will make a bulk with minimal damage to himself and maximum to the enemy.
The Yorktown was badly damaged and was under repair for three months.
"Selfless" was damaged slightly, although its repair and lasted a month.
SKR-6 damaged the boat and davit near "Caron". On the patrol boat itself, the bulwark was crushed and the rails were bent. So in this case, both ships had "cosmetic" damage.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Victor is probably right. The time has come to punish the offender (regardless of the flag). Previously, this was, in my opinion, impossible.

[krops777]

A ram was used in the USSR. This is exactly the way it should be.

Why, they threw a net with a cable under the screw and that's it, they sailed, let them then make excuses that they had forgotten in our waters.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: VORON538

So if you are ready to sink the intruder ship, then you do not need to look at its belonging, you need to beat it.

No need to beat. Drown. One time is enough not to climb

[VORON538]

Alas, I am not a naval officer, and I am not an artilleryman, but an infantry (deadline), albeit a special one. Therefore, perhaps I use this terminology.

[fif21]

Quote: Seryoga64

No need to beat. Drown. One time is enough not to climb

I agree with you. For some reason, when the land border is violated, in case of refusal to comply with the requirements of the border guards, fire opens and all measures are taken to arrest! Why is the task at sea not to detain, but to drive out of the territorial waters?

[Saxahorse]

Quote: VORON538

In this case, the ship's ownership will not matter much. At least Danish, English, or Japanese (although samurai only scream "kurilnas"). All the same, a gang of American satellites led by a godfather will take up arms against Russia. So if they are ready to sink the ship - the violator, then you do not need to look at his belonging, you have to beat. And if you are not ready to make certain changes to the law on the protection of the State Border, then there is nothing to discuss.

Japanese is definitely not necessary. Let's restrict ourselves to English and Danish. The Norwegians are okay, but let's put off the samurai for later.

[mark1]

Quote: Olgovich

it is better to choose Dutch ship, English, Danish ..

We must choose the one that will be the first to enter our ter.waters.

[mole]

The borders of Russia should be sacred and inviolable !!!

the Americans, if there are changes in the Law, will definitely not climb themselves, there are enough vassals for "reconnaissance in force".
Therefore, I consider the amendment relevant!

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Olgovich

An example is better to choose a Dutch ship, English, Danish ..

You need to hit the "impudent red face", and not wag choosing a small fry.
The small fry will build itself after that. As with the departure of states from Afgan.

[Lech from Android.]

In such matters, you should not make hasty decisions ... the enemy can arrange a provocation like with the downed Boeing near Sakhalin ... then the tacit position of the Kremlin badly damaged the USSR.
It is necessary to calculate all the risks associated with the sinking of the Anglo-Saxon destroyer ...
Surely they are not just trying to break through our borders ... it could also be a cover operation for their submarines or underwater drones roaming near our shores.

[tralflot1832]

Then the tacit policy of the USSR moved our fishing fleet from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean, and we had fun there. I took part in the Callao roadstead (Peru) in the morning I counted 58 vessels, large-tonners. And the Canadian zone was closed for only six months. We have already long ago stripped at the root.

[Vadim Ananyin]

Can be more ?

[Doctor]

In such matters, you should not make hasty decisions ...

Especially when you consider that the Americans do not formally violate the border.

Territorial waters 12 miles offshore. And Peter the Great Bay is about 85 miles wide. Ours consider their entire water area, from Cape Povorotny to the mouth of the Tumannaya River.

But from the point of view of the Convention on the Law of the Sea, the border follows the relief of the coast and you can enter the central part.
That is what the Americans periodically do, training our sailors.

[lucul]

But from the point of view of the Convention on the Law of the Sea, the border follows the relief of the coast and you can enter the central part.

Ie, according to your logic, our Boreas can be safely located 13 miles from the coast of New York, right? )))

[Doctor]

Ie, according to your logic, our Boreas can be safely located 13 miles from the coast of New York, right? )))

Not mine. According to the logic of the Convention. Which we also signed.

And not only 13 miles away, but even with a call to San Diego. If allowed, of course.

As we are:

Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of October 2 1999 N 1102
"On the Rules for the Navigation and Stay of Foreign Warships and Other State Vessels Operated for Non-Commercial Purposes in the Territorial Sea, in Inland Sea Waters, at Naval Bases, at Homes of Warships and Seaports of the Russian Federation"

Foreign submarines and other underwater vehicles

4. Entry and stay within the territorial sea, internal sea waters, naval bases, bases of warships and seaports of the Russian Federation of foreign submarines and other underwater vehicles are allowed only on the surface and under their own flag.

[lucul]

Not mine. According to the logic of the Convention. Which we also signed.

So the Americans won't mind if they signed? )))
I remember that the last time our submarine of Project 941 Akula was located 200 km from New York in America there was a big scandal about this)))

[Doctor]

read the Americans will not mind if they signed? )))
I remember that the last time our submarine of Project 941 Akula was located 200 km from New York in America there was a big scandal about this)))

And what kind of case is there? Just 200 km is the Exclusive Economic Zone (up to 200 miles), there are limitations.

[Heel]

of course you can

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Arzt

But from the point of view of the Convention on the Law of the Sea, the border follows the relief of the coast and you can enter the central part.

From the point of view of Konvetsi: the counting of territorial waters comes from the line of maximum low tide (if the coast has a calm outline) or from the boundaries of inland waters, or from so-called baselines (imaginary straight lines connecting coastal protrusions into the sea, if the coast is deeply indented, winding, or if there is a chain of islands near the coast).
The south of Primorsky Krai is a huge Peter the Great Bay with an entrance width of 123,3 miles with an indented coastline, many large and small bays and bays, with several archipelagos of islands. The border of the coastal zone, coinciding with the border of the territorial waters, will be located 52 miles from Vladivostok, that is, in the open sea

In 1957, the Council of Ministers of the USSR, by its resolution, declared the Peter the Great Bay in the Sea of ​​Japan internal waters of the Soviet Union. This decision was not recognized by Great Britain, France, USA, Japan and a number of other countries.

Quote: Arzt

That is what the Americans periodically do, training our sailors.

Are you inviting our people to train in St. Lawrence Gulf?

[Doctor]

The border of the coastal zone, coinciding with the border of the territorial waters, will be located 52 miles from Vladivostok, that is, in the open sea

And "Chaffee" was at 69.

In 1957, the Council of Ministers of the USSR, by its resolution, declared the Peter the Great Bay in the Sea of ​​Japan to be the internal waters of the Soviet Union.

The Council of Ministers of the USSR is an authoritative organization. He could declare the entire solar system as inner space.

That is why international treaties exist to take into account the interests of the interested parties.

Are you inviting our people to train in St. Lawrence Gulf?

Why not? Someone interfering?

[Volder]

Quote: Arzt

That is why international treaties exist to take into account the interests of the interested parties.

What are the interests of Great Britain, France, the United States and Japan in the Peter the Great Gulf? There are only interests of Russia, the rest have nothing to do there.

[Deck]

Why not? Someone interfering?

The absence of such "Chaffee".))) On all fleets in the ranks of a dozen ships of the 1st rank

[spirit]

The main thing is not to sink Italian ships, otherwise the Nightingale will not be allowed to his second homeland

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: spirit

do not sink Italian ships

You can buy yourself an apartment or a house in italy! No money left ? Sell ​​your apartment and buy two in some Italian hole!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: spirit

The main thing is not to sink Italian ships, otherwise the Nightingale will not be allowed to his second homeland

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: spirit

do not sink Italian ships

You can buy yourself an apartment or a house in italy! No money left ? Sell ​​your apartment and buy two in some Italian hole!

By the way, I offered the svidoukram living and whining that - "vile Russia does not let them live ..." So if it's so hard for you, sell your three-room apartment in Sevastopol and buy seven in Khmelnitsky with this money. (This is the formula for the money). The answer surprised me ... We are fine here too .. Yes, horseradish (vegetables) will drive them out of Sevastopol, from Russia! So you too ... most likely live with the Kryzhopele, what are the thorns !?

[Looking for]

Quote: Arzt

But from the point of view of the Convention on the Law of the Sea, the border follows the relief of the coast and you can enter the central part.

So our ships can also enter the San Francisco Bay?

[Doctor]

So our ships can also enter the San Francisco Bay?

Through the Golden Gate? No. It is 3 km wide.

[mikstepanenko]

With the downed Boeing off Sakhalin. Then the Union had full evidence of the Yankee provocation. Up to a dozen American military aircraft were shot down, both reconnaissance and combat (including the indestructible SR-71). Namely, this Boeing conducted radio exchange for almost an hour and was shot down on the way to Korea (one Frenchman dug up with evidence). So what????? Who knows about this? They went to the world with the Americans, what they got in return for silence is unknown. Whatever you get, the reputation loss is greater.

[atalef]

Quote: mikstepanenko

Then the Union had full evidence of the Yankee provocation. Up to a dozen American military aircraft were shot down, both reconnaissance and combat (including the indestructible SR-71).

Can I get more info? When where ?

Quote: mikstepanenko

So what????? Who knows about this?

probably only you, so share it

[mikstepanenko]

Michel Bruno's book "The Sakhalin Incident", I can send it by e-mail.

[atalef]

Quote: mikstepanenko

Michel Bruno's book "The Sakhalin Incident", I can send it by e-mail.

you should not get carried away with the conceptions and the theory of conspiracy, because I can send you the same book, absolutely authoritatively asserting that the earth is flat.
Please, something more official, because the fact of the shooting down of combat aircraft is as difficult to conceal as the fact that the Earth is spherical.

[mikstepanenko]

You can hide everything. If you do not advertise at first, and later do not remember. There is a photo of the wreckage raised from the bottom, by which he identified the types (although he is a journalist, but a former fighter pilot). And I found confirmation and addition later with us, but ......... I cannot share, only a book.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Lech from Android.

It is necessary to calculate all the risks associated with the sinking of the Anglo-Saxon destroyer ...
Surely they are not just trying to break through our borders ... it could also be a cover operation for their submarines or underwater drones roaming near our shores.

So send them to the same place where the surface ones.
Violated - dive forever.

[AUL]

Quote: Lech from Android.

In such matters, you should not make hasty decisions ...

The first sensible comment against the backdrop of the chapcomet cannonade!

[The leader of the Redskins]

What is he right about?
In a proposal to unleash a military conflict, smoothly flowing into a protracted hybrid war? With the participation of all mongrels - hangers-on from NATO and non-NATO?
For such cases, schemes have long been worked out: bulk, ram, imitation of an attack, and so on.
And this "expert" simply sings along with the propagandist Solovyov. I am more than sure that in the event of a military conflict, we will not see them in the trenches on the front lines.

[rocket757]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What is he right about?

They are afraid of wolves, not to go into the forest ... that is correct, but as long as the wolves do not cross the border of what is permissible, you can disperse with the sides.

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

You can and disperse. But I’m for the fact that to pile sideways on the side. And then look - someone's muzzle is beaten more. I think after that the "mattresses" would be sharpened.

[rocket757]

It was! But at one point they don't understand.
So they do not like it when they let a bloody yushka from them, but they were raised that way, they told them that they should let others have a yushka.
Recorded on top dressing and taken out only with all the brains at once.

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

But it worked then, and it would work now. Impudent need to be taught - once - another - would give results.

[rocket757]

Then, the ship did not turn away, it had to be pushed out ... everything happened in OUR territorial waters.
Now, according to the official version, the violation has not been recorded, but should have happened soon ... if they had not turned away.
In general, something like this.

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

And to hell with them! Would have piled up now - then the Yankees would have scratched the pumpkin - but is it even worth getting involved with the Russians at all.

[rocket757]

The Yankees are stubborn and self-confident ... you can't get them by simple.

[Ros 56]

Tell this to the Afghans and Vietnamese.

[rocket757]

Was it so simple there? No casualties?

[Ros 56]

Life is generally dangerous, you can die in the end. And service in the army directly provides for this in the oath.

[rocket757]

Faith, duty, oath ... this is understandable, we protect our borders!
But there is no need for "new crusaders", without absolutely correct motivation.

[Ros 56]

Are we climbing somewhere or have I missed something? Come on in more detail.

[rocket757]

It was not a statement of fact / event, it was just a warning / wish for the future, from those ... in short, from the past.

[lucul]

What is he right about?
In a proposal to unleash a military conflict, smoothly flowing into a protracted hybrid war?

The fact that the borders of the country are such borders, upon crossing which the enemy must be destroyed. If you do not do this, then these are no longer your boundaries, they will be drawn anew for you where it will be necessary not for you, but for your opponent.

[rocket757]

Runs, heats, sometimes even arrivals, are not uncommon.
When an offender behaves appropriately, admits a mistake and tries to correct it, THIS IS NORMAL.
Don't escalate when you can fix it.

[Snail N9]

Well ... This is the case when the so-called "expert", with his speeches, confirms his full compliance with a part of his surname (without the ending) ..

[bovi]

Rather, a question to this site - why are you sketching like this? There are too many articles with a predictable whistle discharge reaction. And there are too many strange guys with opinions (like me 8) without proven competence. All this made me want to look at a more general picture of sites with such a theme. It would be strange if "partners on the cognitive front" avoided them. Well, those on the other side;)

[Makashov]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

In some ways, Baranets is right. Yes, it will be hard. But henceforth, they will understand what the threat of violation of the border.

You can try .. The West has something to lose and they are terribly afraid! ..
And we have weapons, which they do not have ..! Remember Powers shot down, immediately silence on the borders of the USSR came.

[rocket757]

Quote: Makashov

Remember Powers downed

Remembered ... shot him down in OUR airspace, in which he was on a spy / military mission.
This is just OTHER, for which it is necessary to give a hat.

[Makashov]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: Makashov

Remember Powers downed

Remembered ... shot him down in OUR airspace, in which he was on a spy / military mission.
This is just OTHER, for which it is necessary to give a hat.

You have Liberians, everything is always DIFFERENT .. A YUK Boeing shot down, the provocation is also DIFFERENT?

[rocket757]

You at once determine by words / terms who is a liberal and who is a patriot?
Congratulations, you are unique ...
By the way, more than a couple of different planes were shot down, three known facts and it was ANOTHER.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

In some ways, Baranets is right. Yes, it will be hard.

It is easy for Baranets to say - he does not have real estate in the United States and NATO countries, and the children do not study there.

Quote: Olgovich

But who knows what the American senile will turn on in his former head?

It will no longer make any difference, because it will be possible to say:

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[avg avg]

You are so worried about this, as if you have real estate there and the children are studying there!

[Thrifty]

The power in our Kremlin is not the right one to act decisively!

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

In some ways, Baranets is right.

at 74 years old, but on the Solovyov stream, you can not freeze that crap.

[esso]

I would not heat it, but damage it and tow it to the port. Cure the sailors, store the dead in the morgue, then the US account. And confiscate the ship, study the technique. And then the US or NATO military will be exchanged for our citizens.

[singless]

yeah, it's high time right now, they piss in diapers and they will be cocoa fine fine

[svp67]

I have always loved fiery political officers ... And Mr. Baranets is ready to be on our ship at the moment when he enters this armed confrontation? At this moment, will he think about fulfilling his military duty or about his daughter and grandson living in Monaco?

[Roman1970_1]

He will not think about his daughter and grandson because he himself will be next to them in Monaco.
Will google which casino to go to in the evening

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: svp67

And Mr. Baranets is ready to be on our ship at the moment when he enters this armed confrontation?

And the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are armed with "Dagger" and "Onyx", capable of excluding "the presence of Mr. Barantz on our (or any other) ship"

[Igoresha]

the surname of "expert" is speaking ... the Russian Federation is afraid of Ukraine until the knees tremble, and here is the NATO ship, truly, TV is evil

[VORON538]

RF ukraine is afraid to shiver in knees (C)
Tell me, Ukrainian, why is Russia afraid of Ukraine? So far, I observe that Russia just less and less wants to feed a parasite who seeks a freebie. Or do you think that the fact that Russian troops did not enter Kiev in 2014 is fear? No, this is reason, because Russia will no longer support you, treating cave nationalism at the cost of the lives of its sons, too. And the West does not hurt either. then you need your Ukraine.

[Igoresha]

Russia will no longer treat cave nationalism at the cost of the lives of its sons, too

I recognize the consumer of NTV's infoslag and any sovloyevism.

5 an LPR soldier killed in a dugout with Russian passports, an LPR officer was abducted from the CCC - a Russian passport,
(c) "In August 2016, FSB Lieutenant Colonel Roman Kamenev, who participated in the unsuccessful capture of saboteurs arriving from the territory of Ukraine, was killed in Crimea." the Russian Airborne Trooper was also killed there. Re-read in detail on the Russian resource https://svpressa.ru/accidents/article/309180/

[VORON538]

I find plenty of information slag on Nenka's resources And neither there, nor in your comments did I find a single convincing argument that the Russian army is trembling, as you say, in front of your Ukraine. Well, the fact that I know for sure about everything only adds to the confidence that you are just a Ukrainian embittered with Russia, petty dirty tricks on Russian websites. It's a pity that our specialists are not doing enough in this regard. Such guest workers must be deportated from Russia.

[Igoresha]

And neither there, nor in your comments did I find a single convincing argument that the Russian army is trembling, as you say, in front of your Ukraine

yes bullshit, they overwhelmed the colonel and the paratrooper and we bravely kept silent.

from the article on the link
In response, Biden warned that Barack Obama was concerned about the Crimean provocation: "Your chief of military intelligence received a clear message from us about our categorical disapproval of the proposed sabotage operation against military facilities on Russian territory ...".
Then, overseas, they were really afraid of Moscow's tough response.

Ie America stood up for the Russian Federation! before Ukraine! and to the bottom is not far.
You obviously have problems with reading and reading perception - not the Russian army, but the Russian Federation, that is, the political leadership.

[Ros 56]

What the hell are you writing, weirdo. Apparently I forgot about Syria, and even there Assad had a maximum of a week. Who is this afraid of Banderlog? Correctly the person writes, we will not feed this horde, although some of them still live off the earnings of ukrogasters.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Igoresha

.RF Ukraine is afraid to shiver at the knees and here is the NATO ship

Ukraine is not afraid of the Russian Federation - do not flatter Zelensky. And NATO Russia is not particularly afraid (especially on the eve of winter). I'm just curious, where did you get the information about "trembling knees" from the Russian army? You would be worried about leaks and sudden attacks of "bear disease" in adversaries. The army exists for this, so that no adversary could urge on Russia.

[Igoresha]

the presence of those killed with Russian passports in Crimea is not enough? Do you remember when they started issuing Russian passports in the LPR that the commentators wrote here? Let them try to hit on Russian citizens, how they get it in return, and where?

I'm just curious, where did you get the information about "trembling knees" from the Russian army?

(c) As previously reported by "Bryanskie Novosti", a conscript from Dagestan kept the officers of the Bryansk unit at bay. The conflict took place in the Bryansk military unit 12721, located in Klintsy.
https://www.bragazeta.ru/news/2021/09/08/v-bryanske-uzhasnulis-izdevatelstvam-dagestanca-nad-oficerom-i-poziciej-voennoj-prokuratury/

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Igoresha

conscript from Dagestan kept at bay

Oh, how I missed it - this is a weighty argument.

[Igoresha]

Well, you get the hint, the army and special services have a commander-in-chief ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Igoresha

the army and special services have a commander-in-chief ...

I remember how several hot guys decided to "try the commissar's body" (a phrase from the movie "Optimistic Tragedy") - the duty officer in my face was checking the fulfillment of the daily routine. They started waving their hands with threats of physical violence (demobilization), talking about the right to not attend the building and exercise in the morning ... The bow from the back of the bed in our hands and the words: “I will hit it painfully, but carefully. As much as I can - I will put it ”had an effect.
The battalion commander Bessolov, who came after me, wondered for a long time how I dared to offend such respected people. And the platoon commander told me not to tear my veins too much. “We,” he says, “are wasting our nerves with them, and they go to his house in the evening to drink tea” ...

[Igoresha]

Optimistic tragedy "

it will be necessary to see, IMHO the ideal film of the civil war - "Two comrades served"

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Igoresha

RF ukraine is afraid to shiver in knees a

already fleeing from Crimea? Traffic jams on the bridge in Taman?

[Igoresha]

already fleeing from Crimea?

You, too, do not see the difference between nonsense and the murder of Russian citizens with impunity, even if they do not live in the Russian Federation?

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Igoresha

You, too, do not see the difference between nonsense and the murder of Russian citizens with impunity, even if they do not live in the Russian Federation?

I see.
I just interpret the phrase differently

Quote: Igoresha

RF ukraine is afraid to shiver in knees and here is the ship

I can not.
About the murders, not in the know, but in the course that ours are accused of flooding the field with the newcomer of the field, and even sprinkling it with polonium.

[Alien From]

He himself will be firing. Diluted balabols.

[Freemason Mason]

Since Barantsev is so brave - send him personally to drown the impudent violators of the border. It can only happen that they will drown him, and at the same time half of the Pacific Fleet ...

[tralflot1832]

A retired land colonel, what else advises cap times? I do not listen to these at all. They are no one !!! For this there is a website of the Ministry of Defense and our VO. Fairy wizards !!!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: tralflot1832

A retired land colonel is there anything else to advise on caps? I don't listen to these at all.

You shouldn't be like that. He did not say on his own (I remind):

MOSCOW, 30 Jun - RIA News. Russian President Vladimir Putin saidthat even if Russian ships had sunk a British destroyer Defender during a recent incident off the coast of Crimea, the third world war would not have started anyway.
"Those who do this understand that they cannot emerge victorious in this war - this is a very important thing. I do not think that we would be happy with the development of events that you are talking about, but we at least know why we are we are fighting. On our territory, we are fighting for ourselves, for our future. It was not we who came to them thousands of kilometers away, flew in or came by water - it was they who came to our borders and violated our territorial sea", - said the Russian leader.

[rocket757]

"We must hit to kill": a military expert suggested "teach a lesson" to NATO ships violating the Russian border

... In such a case, just start ... who wants / can stop in time?

[cniza]

It's easy to start, but it's very difficult to stop ...

[rocket757]

It is clear that some have become insolent, but nothing critical has happened. The usual provocation, playing the deaf ... they should have cleaned their ears, yes, like Anglam, recently.

[cniza]

It is possible and a little more serious, for example, hitting the body with a blank ...

[rocket757]

Is it rubber ... who knows, can there be corrosion of the track itself and keeps everything on the paint ??? Sometimes it happens.

[cniza]

Nothing, we won't let you drown, but they will have less desire to provoke us ...

[rocket757]

It’s hard to believe it .... anything has happened to them. They were taken prisoner, planes were planted, ships were rammed !!! What else do they want to try?

[cniza]

They need to be shown this periodically and they calm down for a while ...

[rocket757]

In order for the lesson to be useful, it must be specifically consolidated!
We need those who are READY to do it concretely and intelligibly, we need "tools" than to do it ....
There is a "tool", but at the expense of fixers, everything is somehow muddy, not definitely .... and this is not about those who can / will do it from below, the problem is in those who are very, very, taller.
I'm not sure, don't overtake ... it's not for nothing that they say.

[cniza]

Well, we need to constantly improve the tools and methods ...

[rocket757]

To improve the means of influence, this is understandable, as it should.
And about the rest ... we will see, then some conclusions to be drawn, in fact of the event.

[cniza]

Conclusions should be drawn slowly, the world is changing very quickly ...

[Looking for]

that you are afraid of blood? or for capital. real estate you are shaking. BUT OUR GRANDFATHES DID NOT SHAKE. THESE ENEMIES SHAKE FROM FEAR.

[BAI]

This "expert" is more expensive to listen to. Done in a debate with Sobchak in full.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: BAI

Done in a debate with Sobchak in full.

This is not the same Sobchak, whose dad kept the respected people behind his back,

and the daughter of one of them called "Uncle Vova"?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Sideways, isn't the Golden one still young?)

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Sideways, is not the Golden one still young?

He is...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

So this means, what is the meaning of success and general's shoulder straps ..) I did not know. Thanks,

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

So this means, what is the meaning of success and general's shoulder straps ..) I did not know. Thanks,

Have mercy! Haven't you watched The Adventures of Pinocchio? There the ready-made recipe is spelled out:

Don't give a damn about humiliation!
Yes! I'm ready to humiliate myself.
Ieh! I'm ready to humiliate myself.
Wow! I'm ready to humiliate myself.
But if only for the sweet goal
Just a little closer.
But if only for the sweet goal
Just a little closer.
Just a little closer.
Just a little closer.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I remember the film from childhood. But I'll watch the video. Thanks.

[Region-25.rus]

and the daughter of one of them called "Uncle Vova"?

So! Calmly! Many people call me "Uncle Vova" at work (because I am fit for many colleagues) Just do not need innuendo on this topic

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Region-25.rus

So! Calmly! Many people call me "Uncle Vova" at work.

Maybe someone calls you Uncle Vova, and Anatoly Aleksandrovich Sobchak, it turns out, turned to him for you (probably, I suppose that the girl in Sechin's arms, who waves her hand to someone, also turns to someone on you). Watch the video, listen. Everything is so clear there that even today both of them should be put on the goddess.
[media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = 3xSBfZ2JTIU]

[BAI]

Is this not the same Sobchak

She is the most.

[p0pulivox]

The offer is certainly interesting, but fraught with very big surprises and unpleasant consequences. Retired military journalist V. Baranets apparently forgot the anecdote that they are beaten not on the passport, but on the face. This I mean that no matter how you change the law on the border, it will not replace the missing capabilities of the Russian Navy and, accordingly, our "partners" in certain cases can continue to ignore this law ...

[Blue fox]

It is frightening when military experts are called people who talk so easily about human lives.

[Evil 55]

There is logic in his words. but dangerous enough ..

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Angry 55

There is logic in his words. but dangerous enough ..

And serving in the army is a dangerous profession. If there is no one, I can stand on the deck ... The main thing is not in vain ...

[BISMARCK94]

It's okay if we from some destroyer arrange a mass grave for 300 American corpses in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation

Our propagandists are not very different from Ukrainian ones.

[Andrea]

You have to beat, but you need to beat only if the border is violated, if you have not entered our waters, why blow bubbles in vain.
If you want to shoot some experts, you should not push out, but calmly wait for the violation and only then open the shooting range.

[tTshka]

To equip this ram, to equip the underwater swimmer, to give a bookmark, but let him, on his own fins, to mine the bottom of the destroyer ...

[xomaNN]

And if we recall the violent reaction of the foreign West to the downing of a South Korean Boeing in 1983? They also wanted to rummage within our borders.
Although if a torpedo or sea mine in our waters. We will not allow strangers to examine the wreckage.

[iouris]

Russia has no borders. It is limitless.

[Bolt cutter]

She is limitless

Only stupidity is limitless.

[Military77]

From, God forgive me, the sofa expert, why waste time on trifles? Let's go straight to the Pentagon with Yarsom, orders come from there. Yes ... beforehand, Baranets and his associates should be brought to Yars more reliably! )))

[Aurel]

Don't listen to everyone there RAMtsovye. Do they want us to organize the 3rd world war ahead of schedule?

[Sergey1964]

"military expert Viktor Baranets"
This is the one that Wikipedia writes about
===
Victor Baranets was born on November 10, 1946 in the city of Barvenkovo, Kharkov region, Ukrainian SSR.
In the Armed Forces - since 1965 (cadet of a training tank regiment).
In 1970 he graduated from the Faculty of Journalism of the Lviv Higher Military-Political School, and in 1978 - the editorial department of the V.I.Lenin Military-Political Academy. Military registration specialty (VUS) - "military journalist with higher education" (as written in the diploma).
...
During his service in the Far East, he was a correspondent for divisional and district newspapers, then - for the newspaper of the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany "Soviet Army" (major).
...
Since 1998 he has been working in the newspaper "Komsomolskaya Pravda" as a military observer.
...
On August 21, 2020, by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation, he was awarded the title of Honored Journalist of the Russian Federation for his merits in the development of domestic journalism, high professionalism and many years of fruitful work.
===
and further in the text? So he is not an expert, but a journalist. Honored Journalist of the Russian Federation. Journalist and expert are different concepts.

"Baranets is confident that a single incident with the sinking of the intruder ship will not lead to war"

Well, if the honored journalist is sure, you can drown. One thing is embarrassing - what if the command of the US Navy does not share the confidence of the Honored Journalist of the Russian Federation? The Japanese in 1941, too, were convinced that the cowardly and pampered Yankees would not answer Pearl Harbor. And that's how it happened ... I would not like to end my days in a radioactive basement, surrounded by radioactive rats, because of a possible mistake of a distinguished journalist.

[Machnamh]

12 miles and shoot. This is not the DRV in 1964, there will be no new Tonkinsky, Vladivostok and Petropavlovsk will not be bombed. Although .... 1950 October 8, the airfield near the Sukhaya River in Primorye. For a year it was known that the USSR also had atomic weapons. And there was aviation too. Nevertheless, they bombed them. The truth and the fool were turned on later - by mistake. However, the ships were not fired at the United States either, and even the planes had not yet shot down theirs. Anything can happen

[cniza]

Baranets is confident that a single incident with the sinking of an intruder ship will not lead to war, but it will teach the Americans and their allies to respect Russian laws.

There's something about it...

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Machnamh

12 miles and shoot.

That's an order? It seems that you are a little mistaken with the address. And please do not bring this order to your subordinates until Monday, if you can. I want to have time to buy groceries, as well as update the first-aid kit and check the availability and condition of means for survival in the taiga in the autumn-winter period. Tent, sleeping bag, warm clothes, campfire equipment and so on ... Even until Tuesday, please wait a little. It seems that I have that ax ... the ax must be changed. In general, I need at least two days to prepare.

[Konnick]

This opinion was expressed by military expert Viktor Baranets on the air of Vladimir Solovyov's program "SolovievLive", released on YouTube.

Since when did this political worker become a military expert. Political columnist ... maybe.
Freaks often gather at Solovyov's there.
And the grandson himself lives in Monaco. Let's hit Monaco too.

[Rome]

As I understand it, foreign citizens are arrested for violating the state border! It is necessary to stupidly arrest at least one destroyer and hold a show trial with broadcast to the whole world, where the sailors will explain that they knew that this was Russian territory, but the boss told them that we must show that we do not recognize them. Now you have to reckon on Kalym for several years for the boss's decision!

When crossing the border, one should not demand to leave the territorial waters, but demand to stop the course and surrender! The ship is delayed until the circumstances of the violation of the border are clarified, I think if the border guards, with the support of the Navy and the Aerospace Forces, will try to detain the ship every time with the threat of using force to detain, up to sinking. Then the provocations will end

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Eroma

You need to stupidly arrest at least one destroyer

What if the destroyer doesn't get arrested?

[Ros 56]

up to drowning. Then the provocations will end

Well it's written right there.

[Rome]

It's a matter of procedure! When you attack a ship in contested waters, you may be exposed as the aggressor and will be exposed. And it's another matter when you open fire back, and even the whole procedure of detention goes live on the Internet. They won't be able to make you an aggressor.
The moral problem is that border guards may die, this is a real problem.

But if you first make attempts to detain and demand to stop. Attempts are boarding hooks, without boarding, and in order to slow down (just hang out on the trailer and back up), launch self-propelled torpedoes without explosives, and with nets to confuse the screws, turn on the electronic warfare and drown out navigation so that forces could come up against which resistance is useless (offenders are not kamikaze). The forces must be ready to come, this is important!
Even if the first time the adversary can run away, unhook, etc., next time they will think hard about whether they want to run up

[Ros 56]

From the point of view of logic, this is a very correct idea.

[vtiper]

And then Baranets will sit in the trenches?

[Klingon]

Quote: Shurik70

A ram was used in the USSR.
They scared the amerikosy to the shit (and they almost stopped the rocket right on the move, it's a pity, the cable slipped off).
And that's all. Several years after this, there were no incidents of border violations by ships.
No corpses, no drowning.
That is exactly what is needed.

Someone who remembers here even suggested building special ramming ships based on icebreakers. It is for such cases

[agond]

There, at a depth of about 100 m, you can put a sea platform, and on it a lighthouse and say that this is an island.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: agond

you can put a sea platform, and on it a lighthouse

Or maybe not to put up a sea platform with a lighthouse, but to use the money saved to provide some sick children (from those who are collected by the whole world for treatment) with foreign medical care? Or, say, to buy toolkits for genetic engineering like "DIY Bacterial Gene Engineering CRISPR Kit" for talented schoolchildren (there are some, I know - I have worked with talented students myself) (the price of the question is $ 169, more advanced options are about $ 300)? You look - in Russia its own world-class molecular biologists & genetic engineers will appear ... And molecular biology & genetic engineering means, among other things, food security, and medicine, and much more.

[V means B]

Interestingly, during the joint exercises, the Chinese were in no hurry to help us when the American tried to penetrate the exercise zone.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: V is for B

the Chinese were in no hurry to help us

And why should the Chinese suddenly help us ?! All my (and not only my) experience of working with the Chinese shows that they are partners use... And the PRC has only one friend and ally - the PRC itself.
The well-known "England has neither permanent allies, nor permanent enemies. England has only permanent interests" is applicable to China by 146%. As for Russia specifically, for the PRC at the present time it is (by no means the most important) raw material appendage and (by no means the most important) market for the sale of goods. Well, plus to this - a rather small (GDP and international influence is higher than that of Mexico, but lower than that of Italy) a bargaining chip in the geopolitical game. ))

[V means B]

And I did not say that the Chinese should help us, just another illustrative example, so that some of the glasses in their glasses slightly cease to be pink.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: V is for B

And I did not say that the Chinese should help us, just another illustrative example, so that some of the glasses in their glasses slightly cease to be pink.

It's clear. I am afraid that the wearers of rose-colored glasses you mentioned are categorized as "believers." Believers have the unique ability to reject any information that conflicts with their faith.

[V means B]

Yes, I agree)

[Yarik]

This can and should be done! But there is one Big "BUT". With such a spineless international foreign policy, which is constantly expressed in 333 concerns of partners and the shaking of Mrs. Zakharova's head from the rostrum, we have what We have. our sailors must be confident that their actions and actions will receive support from the top. And there are completely rear-wheel drive. Therefore, for the guys in uniform, this will be a real set-up.

[Diverter]

How many I read Baranets. He is not an expert. From the word at all. An expert is a smart person who can calculate a situation or action a little ahead of time. Well, they would sink a mattress or Honduran ship / vessel now. The affected country will immediately announce that the ship has a broken navigation system, here's a negotiation with our captain. And the wicked Russians took and killed the innocent. Look the whole world at these evil Russians .... Let's boycott all Russian ships. So that they do not enter the ports. AND? Is it profitable for us? So this is not an expert Baranets, but rather an ixperd in always wrinkled shirts.
You need to be smarter and calculate. And there is everything for this.
The Russian Federation has the best fighters in the world. Including the best in the world in the assault on any object.
There are excellent sea tugs in Russia.
There are excellent electronic warfare systems in the Russian Federation.
Well, the trough has entered our waters, well, let it go further. We went up to it, turned on the electronic warfare and drowned it out completely, the special vehicle captures, the tug drags to the shore and moors.
And then the Russian Federation issues an invoice and claims for violation of sovereignty and under international law ..... confiscates the ship. Together with weapons and everything that is on the ship. Crew in quarry / logging or exchange for someone or something. And no more military trough will enter our waters, because no one wants to share with us all the codes, samples of weapons and the military that everyone will tell or show about their fleet.
You have to be smarter, smarter.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Saboteur

How many I read Baranets. He is not an expert.

What can a person who graduated from a "cultural enlightenment school" be an expert in?

[Diverter]

that he calls himself so and zhurnalyugi))))

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Saboteur

The Russian Federation has the best fighters in the world.

Sounds reassuring.

Quote: Saboteur

Including the best in the world in the assault on any object.

Sounds even more hopeful. Especially after the storming of Nord-Ost in 2002 (130 hostages were killed, including 10 children) and the storming of a school in Beslan in 2004 (314 hostages were killed, including 186 children).

Quote: Saboteur

There are excellent sea tugs in Russia.
There are excellent electronic warfare systems in the Russian Federation.

You are not mistaken? Maybe the best in the world? And in general, please read the entire list - what is the best in the world in the Russian Federation, and what is simply excellent.

[Diverter]

between the lines I see the familiar tone of Svidomo. But all the same I will answer.
1) In the Russian Federation, the best fighters in the world. This is proved by both history and modernity from Georgia to Syria.
2) In the Russian Federation, unlike VNA 404, there is a division in the special forces. All of the above was carried out by anti-terrorist units. I only mentioned military personnel. And it was the servicemen who stormed the palace of Amin, Palmyra, and so on and so on.
3) Electronic warfare systems also showed themselves and the situation with the destroyer cook or with the Fu 35 in Syria is the best proof of this.
4) In the Russian Federation there are the best people on Earth (although very rarely, there are people like you).

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Saboteur

between the lines I see the familiar tone of Svidomo.

I don’t know what you saw between the lines and what you mean by the term "Svidomo". Just in case - I was born in 1964 in Tomsk, and all my adult life I live in Krasnoyarsk (this is in Siberia, and then some victims of the exam are confused with Krasnodar - there were precedents).

Quote: Saboteur

The Russian Federation has the best fighters in the world.
Electronic warfare systems also showed themselves
The Russian Federation has the best people on Earth

Blessed is he who believes ...
A few questions, if I may.
1) What is "vna 404"?
2) What did you have in physics at school (you obviously did not graduate from the university, except in the humanities, so I ask about the school grade)?
3) How did the Soviet (not even Russian!) EW systems manifest themselves during the destruction of the Soviet air defense system in 1982 in the Bekaa Valley?

[Roman Efremov]

It seems that you write everything correctly. But tomorrow they will go straight to Sevastopol - shall we heat it? And then they will say that the navigation system is broken !!! And that the border ship was walking nearby and firing warning fire - the binoculars broke, they did not see. So what happens?

[Diverter]

have you tried to read the comments to the end?

[Bez 310]

Yes, idiocy and the desire to curry favor knows no boundaries ...
But I believe that before someone is "taught" for breaking the border,
it is necessary to bring this border into line with international law,
wait for the recognition of these boundaries by the international community, and then
you can safely apply all sorts of measures to violators.

[Aristide]

I believe that the majority of Russians have long been thinking about strikes against the Americans who violate the state border of the Russian Federation (ships and planes). The US military will simply become impudent.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Aristide

I believe that most Russians have long been thinking about strikes against violating Americans.

I'm afraid to disappoint you, but most of those Russians whom I know (and I have a very wide and very diverse social circle) think mainly about family, about salaries, about prices for food and utility services ... some people think about health , some - about mortgages ... And I know absolutely no one who thinks about strikes on violating Americans. And in public transport (willy-nilly, you listen to the conversations of others on the phone or among themselves), which is interesting, people who are completely unfamiliar to me are discussing the already mentioned family-salary-work-prices -... but the blows against the violating Americans are not discussed.

[Roman Efremov]

After that incident with the British destroyer, we warned the Britons properly, with no options. If the next time the Britons repeat this and we do not drown them, we will put ourselves in the role of enduring and weaklings.
Now a very similar incident, but with the participation of the Americans. Formally, we didn’t warn them - we don’t have to drown them. They just pushed aside, they left, thank God! Everything is OK with us, have you lost your "face"?
Who is to wait for the third time now? The Japanese near the Kuriles? Norwegians in the North? Poles near Kaliningrad? Who else from NATO did we PERSONALLY not promise to drown?

[AB]

Accidentally it was possible ... The sight of a Chinese or our destroyer went astray. Well, throw the wreaths into the water. Crew there - 325 people

Why should surface ships substitute for her? Neatly turning on the suppression systems and from under the water so that they immediately go to the bottom. Then do not forget to collect the floating debris. The main thing is to drown out everything and everyone and clean up after yourself, and then let them sort it out. And so several times. Maybe they will understand that the borders of Russia are the place where mysterious disappearances of ships and aircraft take place.

[Puper driver]

"I thought you'd say something clever." P ..... be, do not roll bags. Exped.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Ros 56

up to drowning. Then the provocations will end

Well it's written right there.

It remains to clarify - right up to the sinking of whom exactly? I want to remind you that something like this, from the Crimean War onwards, the Russian and then the Soviet fleet is not to say that it showed itself so well in clashes with technologically advanced powers. This is a historical fact - and facts, as you know, are stubborn things. Well, the modern Russian Federation is not the same as the pale shadow of the USSR - in the scientific, technological and industrial terms, the Russian Federation is rather a parody of the pale shadow of the USSR. So the question - who will sink whom (in the hypothetical situation under consideration), in my opinion, is debatable.

[opuonmed]

no, it will be like in the USSR at the end of the leash there was no war as a gas sector! you need to take a place under the sun and show everyone that you will get ships otherwise! and already at the end to set aside their interests and make it clear that the Russian Federation is not afraid of war, and if it does, it will be the end of the world for everyone!

[Sergey1964]

Quote: opuonmed

under the sun you need to take a place and show everyone

In order to take its rightful place under the Sun, the modern world requires
1) Quality education and quality medicine (it is they that determine what is called "human capital", and "human capital" is the main capital of any society).
2) Developed science.
3) A developed economy producing high-tech products competitive in the world market.

As for education, the best Russian university (Moscow State University) is hardly held somewhere at the bottom of the TOP-100 world universities. We will generally keep silent about the rest of the universities.
As for medicine, a week and a half ago, news went through the central media that the Voronezh governor, who fell ill with COVID, was sent to Moscow for intensive care. That is, even for the governor (!) In the Voronezh region, adequate treatment technologies were not found. And this is far from the only case when patients from the regions are transported all the way to Moscow.
As for science, in the SJR country ranking the Russian Federation is approximately at the level of Brazil (a little ahead in quantity, a little behind in quality). And in the Russian Academy of Sciences there is not a single (once again - not a single!) Nobel laureate.
As for the economy, the Russian Federation with its rich natural resources and a population of 140 million in terms of GDP is behind South Korea, whose population is almost 3 times smaller, and minerals are practically absent. It is better not to compare the structure of the economy of the Russian Federation and South Korea at all.

It is this, and not at all the rattling of weapons from battle sofas on the forums, that defines "Russia's place under the Sun."

Quote: opuonmed

and already at the end to set aside their interests

Excuse me, which end?
As far as interests are concerned, "Russia's interests" are an abstraction. The interests of different groups of the population of the Russian Federation are not just different, but in some cases even diametrically opposed.

Quote: opuonmed

as under the ussr at the end of the leash there was no war

The slogan "If only there was no war" existed in the USSR for as long as I can remember (I was born in 1964). I even entered the ditties. And do you know why this slogan existed? Because the entire leadership of the USSR went through the Great Patriotic War and knew what war was actually... Yes, and the veterans of the front and rear were still alive - and they also knew what war was.

Quote: opuonmed

RF is not afraid of war

Amendment. Only very stupid people are not afraid of war. Who are convinced that others will turn into bloody stumps, and personally they will watch lively reports on TV sitting on the couch with a beer.

[Furious bambr]

Awesome advisor. In the event of an attack to destroy any ship or something, and even with the dead, there will be a worldwide cry and a call for a crusade against Russia, because they were in their international law, and the Russian Federation, as always, showed aggression.
And how many, interestingly, these singing along with Solovyov will take part in real hostilities, and not sit in advisers or propaganda brigades?
It is a pity that people are banned here for mats. It’s a pity

[Orsis338]

And get unlimited naval warfare, yeah ...

[Borisych]

If it is possible to shoot in the direction of the offender, you must shoot. Chesslovo, when they shoot in your direction, I think somehow differently.

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Armagedon4ik

Well, an American ship passed along the border of territorial waters, so what? What are the consequences of this?

How is it - what are the consequences ?! The couch patriots (those who are sure that in the event of a war he personally will sit on the couch in front of the TV and sip beer) experienced an exacerbation of patriotism in the brain. ))

[Sergey1964]

Quote: Borisych

If it is possible to shoot in the direction of the offender, you must shoot. Chesslovo, when they shoot in your direction, I think somehow differently.

Have you ever thought about the fact that this game (shoot on the course) can be played together? How do you know what order on this subject is in force in the US Navy at the present time?

[VTR-295]

No matter how a mass grave for 300 Russian sailors turns out. Or this expert thinks that the Americans (British, Japanese - underline as appropriate) will not do anything if their ship is attacked?

[svoit]

Shooting to kill anti-ship missiles is also dangerous because the missile can be shot down, especially if the sound

[opuonmed]

Quote: Furious Bambr

In order to take its rightful place under the Sun, the modern world requires
1) Quality education and quality medicine (it is they that determine what is called "human capital", and "human capital" is the main capital of any society).
2) Developed science.
3) A developed economy producing high-tech products competitive in the world market.

and who made the hyper sound? who launches people into space and who makes rockets? tanks optics? who makes airplane trains? in the Russian Federation developed science you wrote complete nonsense! the world that is built for the usa and the eu do not need competitors, they see a competitor in the russian federation and this is a fact the russian federation has its own processor on its architecture !!!!

Quote: Sergey1964

As for science, according to the SJR country ranking, the Russian Federation is approximately at the level of Brazil.

you can immediately see the delusional vyser read those above!

Quote: Sergey1964

Excuse me, which end?
As far as interests are concerned, "Russia's interests" are an abstraction. The interests of different groups of the population of the Russian Federation are not just different, but in some cases even diametrically opposed.

I'm not talking about groups of people but about the state as a whole! which brings these groups together! the interests of the Russian Federation are the whole world!

Quote: Sergey1964

The slogan "If only there was no war" existed in the USSR for as long as I can remember (I was born in 1964). I even entered the ditties. And do you know why this slogan existed? Because the entire leadership of the USSR went through the Great Patriotic War and knew what war really was. Yes, and the veterans of the front and rear were still alive - and they also knew what war was.

this does not give a reason not to defend the interests of the country! you know you haven't heard the song of the gas sector))))

Quote: Sergey1964

Amendment. Only very stupid people are not afraid of war. Who are convinced that others will turn into bloody stumps, and personally they will watch lively reports on TV sitting on the couch with a beer.

Only very stupid people are not afraid of war. I agree with this !! but you have to defend your interests and your sovereignty! otherwise they will tear apart and there will be more blood and genocide! already passed this 41 also thought we will wait to come to their senses! What is worth recalling about Libya there before this mess people went to earn shas current mercenaries go there to earn! I mean that if the enemy is preparing for a major fight and soon will be ready to strike at the Russian Federation, then it is necessary to strike first! otherwise, the country will be dismembered and the population will be pitted against their heads and they will pump resources and whatever they want to do! it seems that we are not yet a single planet that would be a single planet!
! and you gave up on the move if you stopped defending the right to life!