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Buying Volvo tankers

Passed tests in the Armed Forces of Russia automobile refueling complex 12-10FMX40 on the chassis of the Volvo FMX


The Vedomosti newspaper, citing the statement by Russian Deputy Minister of Defense General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov, reports that the Ministry of Defense plans to purchase the newest universal car refueling complexes (ATZ) 12-10FMX40 on the chassis of Volvo FMX cars (the article talks about four-axle chassis, but more probably meant triaxial).

These tankers will begin to flow to supply the Armed Forces of Russia from the end of 2012 onwards. “Yes, they will arrive by the end of this year. Now they pass military trials. After these exercises, they move to the stage of state tests, and this is exactly 45 days, ”said Bulgakov.

The new ATZ 12-10FMX40 machine allows you to refuel up to 10 units of equipment at the same time (the tankers in service are only two units). New fueling complexes are created on the basis of the Volvo FMX series cars. The service life of the engine is 2 million km, its service life is at least 30 years. In addition, the tank installed on the car, the repair is almost not needed, since it is made of stainless steel, said Bulgakov.

The new complex automatically cleans and prepares the tank within 10 minutes. This technology allows in the shortest time to prepare a tank for the transportation of different types of fuel. The purchase and entry of a new complex is included in the state armaments program until 2020.

We add that the assembly of these ATZs is likely to be carried out at Volvo Vostok, CJSC - the Volvo assembly plant in Kaluga, operating from 2009 of the year. We point out that in accordance with the order number 380 of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia from 5 May 2009, the products of Volvo Vostok, manufactured at the Volvo plant in Kaluga, are recognized as domestic and included in the approved list of motor vehicles and municipal equipment for procurement by Russian entities Federation using subsidies.

The ATZ1210FM400 fueling complex itself, mounted on the Volvo FMX chassis, was manufactured by CJSC Plant of Special Vehicles (Mtsensk, Oryol Region).
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 13 September 2012 11: 38
    +1
    One of the officials didn’t say at all, we won’t buy foreign equipment, we will give priority to the domestic manufacturer. You’ve gotten frosty that we already can’t produce fuel refueling machines. We won’t start buying soon 16 when the pancake starts shooting am
  2. in reserve
    in reserve 13 September 2012 11: 38
    +8
    And why is it better than KamAZ and the Urals, only you can’t get enough spare parts for it as an engine.
    1. spender
      spender 13 September 2012 11: 43
      +2
      I'm crap dear edition am AUU! Esaul? Varnaga? Where are you?
      1. VAF
        VAF 13 September 2012 12: 14
        +10
        Quote: spender
        I'm crap dear edition


        Lyosha, this is yet another betrayal of the interests of RUSSIA by Taburetkinsky ... well, and ..odobrymskovsky !!! +! angry fool bully

        Already 15 years ago, these supposedly "innovations" have long been mastered by our RUSSIAN company Trans-Avia, which produces OUR TK, which surpass these analogues both in quality and in price, but about component parts ... I'm not talking at all, because ... all of our products were made for use in extreme conditions!

        And in what miraculous way they can refuel 10 planes from 10 tonics ????? Is it .. a bucket of kerosene or something ????? And the planes around the TK should stand like chickens .. in a circle ?????

        The whole RESPONSE - hat company again! So the casket just opens!
        And our "barrels" are produced from 7,5 to 80 tons and all ours .... and machinery and equipment and the barrels themselves !!!!

        Surely you say ..... AUU URYAPATRIOTY ,,,,,,,, WHERE YOU ????? wassat am

        Lyosha, everything didn’t fit ... Sani Romanov’s basic facts I’ll add in komente!
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 13 September 2012 12: 31
          +2
          And where does it say that these tankers for aircraft?
          1. rennim
            rennim 13 September 2012 12: 57
            +4
            I agree ... But it doesn't look like an all-terrain vehicle for refueling tanks BMP and armored personnel carriers ... Maybe for refueling "staff" Volvo, BMW and Lexus, which will soon enter service with our Army ... smile
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 13 September 2012 13: 01
              0
              Why doesn’t it look like? Triaxial, high ground clearance. It is clear that in gully, where only tanks pass, it will not pass. But wisely, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles should come to him. At the bases, near the rear, in the convoy, quite a typewriter.
          2. killganoff
            killganoff 13 September 2012 12: 58
            +3
            They are imported - it means they can refuel TU160 in the air at all flight modes!
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 13 September 2012 13: 02
              +2
              Introduced .... neighing. smile The Tu-160 flies, and behind it a sickly flock of tankers, lining up with a wedge ... Kurly, Kurly .... laughing
          3. VAF
            VAF 13 September 2012 13: 38
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            And where does it say that these tankers for aircraft?


            Yes, I’m honest if ... on the drum .... at least let the submarine run (after all, the article says ...... universal !!!), so at least the cart, but everything should be OUR, not joint!

            Why about aviation? Yes, because she is to me .. closer, dearer and nicer! soldier

            For a variety of reasons! wink
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 13 September 2012 14: 18
              +1
              I agree. It must be ours, but good !!
        2. Funker1981
          Funker1981 13 September 2012 12: 47
          +6
          Quote: vaf
          The whole RESPONSE - hat company again! So the casket just opens!
          And our "barrels" are produced from 7,5 to 80 tons and all ours .... and machinery and equipment and the barrels themselves !!!!


          The ATZ1210FM400 fueling complex itself, mounted on the Volvo FMX chassis, was manufactured by CJSC Plant of Special Vehicles (Mtsensk, Oryol Region).

          The chassis is also assembled here, only all the details must be localized. If they do, I don’t see anything bad.
          1. VAF
            VAF 13 September 2012 14: 18
            +3
            Quote: Funker1981
            The chassis is also assembled here, only all the details must be localized. If they do, I don’t see anything bad.


            Last time ... on this topic! In Mtsensk, only the BARREL is at war ... empty, and everything else ... is foreign and we only ..... COLLECT !!!!

            What else is not clear ???? request
            1. Funker1981
              Funker1981 13 September 2012 17: 08
              +1
              Yes, everything is clear now ....., figured it out. Sadness sad
        3. Baron Wrangell
          Baron Wrangell 13 September 2012 13: 32
          0
          Quote: vaf
          And in what miraculous way they can refuel 10 planes from 10 tonics ????? Is it .. a bucket of kerosene or something ????? And the planes around the TK should stand like chickens .. in a circle ?????

          yesterday on the news on the Star showed this tanker. Aviation rest, it is for the land travelers, tanks, armored personnel carriers! And so small will not work on your planes! (a joke), by the way, tanks in the field can get into a circle, but airplanes are probably difficult! (also a joke, someone doesn’t draw emoticons)
          1. VAF
            VAF 13 September 2012 14: 21
            +3
            Quote: Baron Wrangel
            And so small will not work on your planes!


            Planes are the same ... big and small! wink

            And not everywhere and always TZ-20s, grease nipples have been 7,5 all their lives!

            And the "whistles" are full of TZ-10-15! soldier
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 September 2012 12: 24
        +5
        Quote: spender
        Where are you?

        At a rally about the victories of our defense industry hi
      3. VAF
        VAF 13 September 2012 16: 25
        +1
        Quote: spender
        AUU! Esaul? Varnaga? Where are you?


        Lyosha, one more ... brick ... "I'll throw it into THEIR endorsement garden"! +! wassat

        True, not a little TK, but on the topic .... LYRING WE ARE THE MOST, MOST, just right .... recourse

        Yesterday, the Presidential Cadet Corps was opened in Krasnodar. wassat
        It was built on the site (!!!!!) of a former military missile school. crying Reformed by our URYAKALKI !!!!

        Deep reconstruction (??????) took two years. wassat

        Well, what kind of specialists did this school prepare ... about this film ..... crying

        1. spender
          spender 13 September 2012 16: 30
          0
          Quote: vaf
          one more ... brick ... "I will throw it into the IKHNY endorsement garden"! +

          Seryoga, we are tying up today with "bricks", otherwise some (horseless) have lost their roof ... Previously, he threw a slogan and get a "+", sometimes slap on the shoulder, who you scold ... And then once the whole garden is in bricks, criticize they dare, well, the lad did not hold out (he himself admitted that he hadn’t earned his retirement yet) and broke into hysterics in discussing his article, which I had the audacity to criticize and his "krugonih" minus a little. wassat
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 September 2012 11: 46
      +8
      Quote: in stock

      And what is it better than KamAZ and the Urals, only the engine so you can’t get enough spare parts for it

      Yes, the fact that the lobby helped to incorporate the plant into domestic production, a lot was written on paper, but in reality it was continued, like with Lynxes. Some of the officials didn’t say long ago, we’ll give priority to the domestic manufacturer, that's what he meant. build a plant for the production of m 16, say that it is domestic and adopt it. Vivat hi
      1. in reserve
        in reserve 13 September 2012 12: 03
        +6
        Yes, slowly muddied with kickbacks. And we are not so obsessively infu toss that is typical for testing so that people do not boil.
        1. bddrus
          bddrus 13 September 2012 18: 28
          0
          how can you say that - after all, in your democratic Europe they do not give kickbacks!
      2. VAF
        VAF 13 September 2012 12: 15
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, the lobby helped turn on the plant.


        Sanya, the continuation of the comment is for you, Lesha has the first part! +!

        ".... Caretili" ... for the power of Russia ??????? angry

        [/ Center

        [Center]








        Cars at the request of the customer can be any .... even Hurricanes !!!
        Everything has certificates of conformity and CCA and IAC, they rule everything. That is possible both ours ... and not ours (dearly beloved by morons)!

        Well ... where are your ..... slogans ... drained polymers ????? I would say ...... yes ... Mr. Smirnov .. he’ll clean it up, it’s legal, you can’t say anything different here ....... but according to the literature, that is. without the MAT

        And then how yesterday's Clear Stump ... I'm just mad, how are we all ... littering ....?

        So what are you ... doing ...... "Uryapatriots" ????? Saw grandmas ??? am
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 13 September 2012 12: 24
          +3
          Quote: vaf



          vaf Today, 12:15 ↑ ↓ new



          Hi, thanks for the pictures. But this is a little bit wrong. For aviation, tankers are one thing, another for field conditions of dry troops.

          These ACs are good for transportation, but for refueling vehicles you need off-road vehicles. KRAZ unfortunately remained in Ukraine, MAZ in Belarus, but what we have on the basis of the Urals or Kamaz takes no more than 5,5 tons of fuel
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 September 2012 12: 32
          +5
          We will support the allegarchs in whose hands the Volvo is located, and in the case of warriors with NATO, there will be no spare parts for these cars. Yes, and theirs are cheaper and more reliable on our killed rear roads and repair is simpler. Serdyukova and all Moscow Region are on trial !!!
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 13 September 2012 12: 34
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            in court !!!


            stop

            Under the M-16. yes
            1. in reserve
              in reserve 13 September 2012 12: 49
              +4
              Under Kalashnikov angry
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 September 2012 13: 01
              +5
              Quote: Vanek
              Under the M-16.

              First, under court, then under m-16. Democracy, in the grave I would see her am Together with our MO!
              1. Vanek
                Vanek 13 September 2012 13: 03
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Democracy, in the grave I would have seen it am Together with our MO!


                Harshly! But fair. good
              2. Aleks28
                Aleks28 13 September 2012 16: 38
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                First, under court, then under m-16. Democracy, in the grave I would have seen it am Together with our MO!
                You are all bloodthirsty. I haven’t been home for 2 months, what did you manage to close all the mines? yes
        3. leon-iv
          leon-iv 13 September 2012 12: 42
          +2
          VAF
          And you think what is better to go to Volvo or to MAZ?
          And then ask the drivers.
          and I'm sure 300% that most will prefer Volvo
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 13 September 2012 13: 01
            +5
            Quote: leon-iv
            what most will prefer Volvo


            During the fighting, where will this 300% go when they can’t repair their Volvo with a hammer and adjustable wrench?

            During the fighting, these 300% will prefer MAZ!
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 13 September 2012 13: 05
              0
              During the fighting
              which
              During the fighting, these 300% will prefer MAZ!
              which will also be aggregately repaired and the same maz uses the MAN kit and the Kamaz of Mercedes.
              1. Vanek
                Vanek 13 September 2012 13: 20
                +3
                Quote: leon-iv
                maz uses mana kit


                Yes, they do.

                Is there a lot from Mana?
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 13 September 2012 13: 21
                  0

                  Vanek

                  try to write off this squalor in the first place.
                  1. Vanek
                    Vanek 13 September 2012 13: 25
                    +3
                    God forbid, of course, but in which case I would choose "squalor". Rides on everything that burns, you can repair it in the field. Yes, there is nothing to break.

                    And from MAN there is NOTHING!

                    drinks
                    1. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 13 September 2012 13: 28
                      +1
                      I would choose "squalor"
                      yeah good luck. I saw with what joy they were exchanged for newer ones in the Strategic Rocket Forces except that the bonnets were not thrown into the air changing them for new MAZs.
                      1. Vanek
                        Vanek 13 September 2012 13: 42
                        +1
                        But for some reason I doubt that what is shown in the picture in the article can be repaired in the field without the use of specialists. The machine is military, which means we will speak for direct military operations. During the march, it (Volvo) failed, well, the car does not go, what will you do? Service center and specialists You will not carry with you.

                        But "squalor" comes back to life by means of a hammer, a spanner and some kind of mother.

                        I'm trying to explain to you what, from the point of view of maintainability, indifference to natural conditions, etc. our car is better than a foreign creation. Our "squalor" will drive on front-line roads, not on asphalt.
                      2. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 13 September 2012 13: 50
                        +1
                        During the march, it (Volvo) failed, well, the car does not go, what will you do?
                        According to the situation, either wait for the spare part or repair or evacuate.
                        But "squalor" comes back to life by means of a hammer, a spanner and some kind of mother.
                        Umm, if we talk about minor repairs. With Volvo, it also passes without problems. Otherwise, replace the unit.
                        I'm trying to explain to you that, in terms of maintainability
                        I wrote above either a minor repair or an aggregate first can be performed on the site of the second only in the workshop. In general, the double bass should WELL know the mat part.
                        indifference to environmental conditions
                        Toto in the winter in the fields of diesel UAZs only with the Ivek engine started well)))
                        Our "squalor" will drive on front-line roads, not on asphalt.
                        And what prevents Volvo from traveling? religion? or a great suspension?
                      3. Vanek
                        Vanek 13 September 2012 14: 01
                        0
                        From the point of view of rementability, Volvo was not close to "squalor".

                        Quote: leon-iv
                        or a great suspension?


                        After several versts on the intersection, an excellent suspension "dies". Try to break the spring from "squalor". And try to fix the air suspension (and what? This is also a minor repair) when every minute, not even a minute, a second counts.
                      4. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 13 September 2012 14: 07
                        +2
                        Try to break the spring from "squalor"
                        EASY and EASY
                        After several versts on the intersection, an excellent suspension "dies".
                        Um, why?
                        And try to fix the air suspension (and what? This is also a minor repair) when every minute
                        For starters, this is an average repair. And secondly, he will go on a broken one. In our campaign, I drove almost 2 thousand km without problems.
                      5. Pimply
                        Pimply 13 September 2012 15: 28
                        0
                        It's funny You have the impression that a foreign car is at least an alien spacecraft.
                      6. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 13 September 2012 15: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        It's funny You have the impression that a foreign car is at least an alien spacecraft.
                        This is not the point, just why dig money into the ground, they are 20 years away in the trash.
                      7. bddrus
                        bddrus 13 September 2012 18: 34
                        +1
                        Well then, we have nothing to worry at all - we’ll ride on the technology of the 60s, squalor will not break, otherwise the fifth generation planes are going to do fools !!! drunk!
                    2. Pimply
                      Pimply 13 September 2012 15: 27
                      0
                      Only have to repair often, and just in the same field
                      1. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 13 September 2012 15: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Only have to repair often, and just in the same field
                        What are you talking about now? Yes, with the run that they are doing, they don’t need any repairs at all, just maintenance, or just to object -
                2. bddrus
                  bddrus 13 September 2012 18: 31
                  +2
                  right! let's ride old stuff - there will be a reason for the next vyser about "vsezhavello" and "nothing is produced"
            2. urzul
              urzul 13 September 2012 13: 06
              +1
              New Kamazs just can not be repaired, boxes and engines in cooperation.
          2. in reserve
            in reserve 13 September 2012 13: 13
            +5
            It’s good to travel to Volvo in peacetime. but expensive hi
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 13 September 2012 13: 23
              +3
              but expensive
              Whether on factory warranty with planned maintenance.
              Give a cost estimate for 100 thousand Kamaz and Volvo there and we will discuss.
              PS / If the automatic transmission will be on a Volvo, then we will also get rid of problems with a constantly dead clutch.
              1. in reserve
                in reserve 13 September 2012 14: 00
                0
                Yes, the price is about the same somewhere around 2-000, but again, a simple soldier will be able to repair it in the field, and the spare parts are expensive and there is nothing to replace.
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 13 September 2012 14: 08
                  0
                  a simple soldier in the field can repair it
                  No, this is a myth. Cars are now assigned to double basses.
                  Yes, and spare parts are expensive and there is nothing to replace.
                  If you take the mileage, then the cost is cheaper per 100 thousand kilometers.
                  1. in reserve
                    in reserve 13 September 2012 14: 33
                    0
                    In the future, the position of Russian car manufacturers can only get worse. When choosing trucks, Russian companies are guided by price, vehicle reliability and maintainability. Russian KamAZ trucks, which have more and more foreign components, now cost the same as five-year Volvo - 1,2-1,5 million rubles. A new foreign truck can cost twice as much, but with the advent of assembly production in Russia, prices will drop. How much depends on whether the Swedes are able to get the Russian government into an industrial assembly regime, in which components are imported without duties. This will reduce the cost of assembled vehicles by 10-15%.


                    You can read the whole article here.
                    http://www.rb.ru/article/volvo-sgonit-kamazy-i-mazy-na-obochinu/1281397.html
                2. urzul
                  urzul 13 September 2012 14: 16
                  0
                  Kamaz have Kamens engines and ZF boxes
                  1. Aleks28
                    Aleks28 13 September 2012 14: 23
                    +2
                    Not well, it’s already for Serduchka too much. The collision with TK is for children, our KAMAZ would have easily coped (even in the old configuration). It smells like big kickbacks. Now I definitely don’t understand anything.
                3. Pimply
                  Pimply 13 September 2012 15: 29
                  +1
                  Lord, it seems that all that is simpler than a shovel is a spacecraft of aliens. What's wrong?
          3. VAF
            VAF 13 September 2012 13: 42
            +3
            Quote: leon-iv
            And you think what is better to go to Volvo or to MAZ?


            I thought ...... and you immediately have a question ... so directly .. on the forehead ... So you are going to arrange pokatushki drivers or all the same prepare for war and fight ???

            And if it’s better then Panamera !!! The senior has already bought and enjoys the same .... only when on a smooth track and so ... that would be from the service station service .. by the way (although the same guarantees ... not measured by years and mileage) !
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 13 September 2012 13: 56
              +1
              or all the same prepare for war and fight ???
              Undoubtedly, the question of war is to what degree its intensity. For Volvo, I see a weak spot is the electronic filling. But here the question arises that our new ones also have it.
              In the case of a regional one which is likely to be in the vastness of the SA in the near future, I think the problem will not be to buy spare parts. And in fact, the news is not worth a damn. For as Kamaz Maz and the Urals bought from us, they are bought in large volumes, for this only experimental operation of a small batch of cars, if not 1-2, is available. Here, by the way, it’s more interesting here http://twower.livejournal.com/862741.html (a man climbed a trot)
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 September 2012 14: 46
                0
                Quote: leon-iv

                In the case of a regional which is likely in the near future

                And in the case of the big one, there will be no problems either, or will you again argue that there will be no big warriors in the next 10 years?
            2. vorobey
              vorobey 13 September 2012 13: 58
              +4
              Serge, calm down you brethren. Volvo is tested as a chassis. Canister that ours is on it. Climb the factory site.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 13 September 2012 14: 11
                +2
                Volvo is tested like a chassis
                oh well, interestingly when they prove to you that the Maz-509 is a super machine and Volvo sucks.
                1. Vanek
                  Vanek 13 September 2012 14: 25
                  0
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  oh well, interestingly when they prove to you that the Maz-509 is a super machine and Volvo sucks.


                  Rudeness!

                  Quote: Vanek
                  I'm trying to explain


                  To prove that Maz is ....... and Volvo is ...... I was not going to tell you. Read carefully

                  Quote: Vanek
                  explain


                  Explain and prove - these are two different things.

                  Studebaker was also a super-duper. Until our dozens of changes were made to him, he really didn’t drive along our roads.
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 13 September 2012 14: 26
                  +4
                  And I like Craz. Volvo did not stand there either. Trotted like that in the park on the Lappeter. Power like a tank, but easier to control than a Lada. Ural and KAMAZ compared to Kraz toys.
                3. Aleks28
                  Aleks28 13 September 2012 14: 29
                  +3
                  Volvo is better than the MAZ unequivocally, but the TK chassis is the last thing that needs to be changed in the army.
                  1. Vanek
                    Vanek 13 September 2012 14: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Allex28
                    Volvo is better than Maz


                    Autopsy will show smile
                    1. Aleks28
                      Aleks28 13 September 2012 14: 44
                      +3
                      Quote: Vanek
                      An autopsy will show smile
                      I went to both those and those, there is a comparison experience, although I think the Maz will be more suitable for army use, it’s much easier to maintain, and it’s not whimsical anymore.
                      1. Vanek
                        Vanek 13 September 2012 14: 46
                        +3
                        Quote: Allex28
                        although I think the Maz is more suitable for army use, it is many times easier to maintain, and it’s not whimsical anymore.


                        Well, I’m not one who thinks so.
                      2. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 13 September 2012 14: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: Vanek
                        Well, I’m not one who thinks so.

                        In the tank forces, TZshki have been standing on blocks for years. They should do the RTO and let it continue.
                      3. vorobey
                        vorobey 13 September 2012 15: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Allex28
                        In the tank troops


                        Not only in tank. In land. and there are also storage bases.
                      4. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 13 September 2012 15: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Not only in tank. In land. and there are also storage bases.

                        I just gave an example, at one time I served them all, the only ones that ride more or less are helicopter pilots.
                      5. bddrus
                        bddrus 13 September 2012 18: 37
                        0
                        but why didn’t you please Kamaz ???
              2. VAF
                VAF 13 September 2012 14: 25
                +1
                Quote: vorobey
                Canister that ours is on it.


                so I wrote about this for a long time at the top, but ... except for the barrel ... there is nothing ours, only .. hands!

                And so we have our own, well, to the extremes of Belarus .... Ihii Super Maz for traction and patency ... no worse !!!
                1. Aleks28
                  Aleks28 13 September 2012 14: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: vaf
                  And so we have our own, well, to the extremes of Belarus .... Ihii Super Maz for traction and patency ... no worse !!!
                  I completely agree. Sergey answer one question to me: How many TK air flights a year plus engine hours during refueling?
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 13 September 2012 18: 02
                    0
                    Quote: Allex28
                    How much TK air travels per year plus engine hours during refueling?


                    Here it’s just considered that the warrior has an airfield of 3 km, we divide it in half (since fuel and lubricant depots are usually in the area of ​​the tower and add 1 km to there, we get 2,5 km. Change 8-12 hours, allow airplanes to the maximum (this is now !) flies with 10-current, usually 5-6 gas stations, buildup of one TZ-20, depending on the type of aircraft from 1 to 3-4-5), take an average of 3, now that way is 2,5 km X2 = 5 and the number of gas stations X3 = 15 km, well, just in case, add an unaccounted for .. another 5-room total is -20-25 km per shift.
                    The change is usually 3-4 per week, well, rarely are on flights, there is a little bit more.

                    Well, for citizens, it reaches up to 100-150 per day, because K / S works!
                    1. Aleks28
                      Aleks28 13 September 2012 18: 12
                      +2
                      Quote: vaf
                      Well, for citizens, it reaches up to 100-150 per day, because K / S works!
                      That is, it turns out 36-40t.km.per year, but for Kamaz and Maz it’s practically nothing. And to take expensive equipment for such depreciation. Yes, it smells like a crime. To the topic: I often go to airport (Frankfurt) there That TZshki, that the ancient fires, and neither of which go. PS: Thanks for the info.
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 13 September 2012 14: 38
                  +2
                  VAF,

                  Serega so the plant offers chassis and Kamaz and Manov and Volvo.

                  He has not yet been accepted, they are testing the complex itself. Surely the factory workers themselves offered this chassis. Volvo costs more than Kamaz (chassis) is the profit for the plant.
              3. Aleks28
                Aleks28 13 September 2012 14: 26
                +2
                Quote: vorobey
                Serge, calm down you brethren. Volvo is tested as a chassis. Canister that ours is on it. Climb the factory site.
                And then what kind of chassis that almost never changes.
            3. Pimply
              Pimply 13 September 2012 15: 31
              +2
              It’s somehow better to fight on a technique that breaks less often, and which is less often repaired. Reliable to Russian technology, all familiar drivers rarely use - many small and large breakdowns. REGULAR.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 13 September 2012 16: 04
                +3
                Quote: Pimply
                Reliable to Russian technology, all familiar drivers rarely use - many small and large breakdowns. REGULAR.


                I really didn’t know that Russian technology was in the tsahal, or you were a knowledgeable person everywhere.
                1. Aleks28
                  Aleks28 13 September 2012 16: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: vorobey

                  I really didn’t know that Russian technology was in the tsahal, or you were a knowledgeable person everywhere.

                  His main objection ... There is such a type of people.
        4. Baron Wrangell
          Baron Wrangell 13 September 2012 13: 34
          +1
          and the first three are also imported MAZs! What will we help dad !?
    3. sas
      sas 13 September 2012 12: 09
      0
      And what is better than a passenger Volvo Lada ?!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 September 2012 12: 29
        +2
        Quote: Sas

        And what is better than a passenger Volvo Lada?

        Well, to which village is this comment respected?
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 13 September 2012 18: 00
          +3
          you can argue for a long time and with taste, but: in our part, the communication technology was on the chassis zil157 zil131 ural which almost 93 km per year went through 700 km of diesel engine steam, but there were no serious breakdowns on the little things and it was with a sledgehammer and some kind of mother in the winter in the cold in the fall in the rain and in the wind, etc. while the cars remained on the track could not leave the park or vice versa did not start to leave the exercises do your own conclusions
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 September 2012 11: 39
    +1
    The new ATZ 12-10FMX40 machine allows you to refuel up to 10 units of equipment at the same time

    Oh well ... something I can hardly imagine all this stampede around the tanker. And what, we have no developments in this direction?
    1. Civil
      Civil 13 September 2012 11: 41
      +1
      ATZ1210FM400 is our development - only the Volvo chassis
      1. urzul
        urzul 13 September 2012 11: 45
        +1
        Supplement with your permission:
        The ATZ1210FM400 refueling complex itself, mounted on a Volvo FMX chassis, was manufactured by Special Equipment Plant CJSC (Mtsensk, Oryol Oblast).
        1. VAF
          VAF 13 September 2012 12: 34
          +4
          Quote: urzul
          Supplement with your permission:


          Andrey.Dear, well, don't be like the urpyakalkas and these ..... "covering kickbacks" articles !!!! Beg!!!

          In fact ....... February 25, 2011 in the territory of JSC "Factory of special equipment", Mtsensk, Oryol region
          there was an official presentation of the TOH ROHR RFT-20 on the VOLVO chassis, co-production (read ..... SCREW ASSEMBLY !!!!),
          CAVAG and Nutzfahrzeuge Rohr GmbH.

          The participants were introduced to the technology of modular assembly of foreign products in Russia.



          Where did you see here ... something of ours ????? Acre of our working hands ?????????
          1. urzul
            urzul 13 September 2012 13: 16
            +1
            And what are the conclusions that the tanker is not ours? why? What does the TPA ROHR RFT-20 have
            What's modular? so this is the principle of production, and not like we now have everything under the comb of "screwdriver assembly"
            Judging by the partnership, CAVAG is an aerodrome technology. And the article is about ordinary tankers.
            Skoda is assembled on gas and that the gazelle immediately became a screwdriver assembly on the rollbacks?
          2. Aleks28
            Aleks28 13 September 2012 14: 58
            +1
            Quote: vaf

            Where did you see here ... something of ours ????? Acre of our working hands ?????????
            Fuel itself wink
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 13 September 2012 11: 47
        +3
        Quote: Wedmak
        Oh well ... something I can hardly imagine all this crush near the refueling


        Yes there will be no crush. in two rows a column on the march. stupidly tank company to the eyeballs will flood, only the sleeves will spread. But the effect of it, again, is only on the march with long transitions. Well, if they burn it (it’s not three ATMs that can run away with a fright, and then even everyone gets a little from one), then sit empty and don’t moo.,
      3. Wedmak
        Wedmak 13 September 2012 11: 48
        0
        Hmm .. confused the English letters in the title. And for some reason there is no prefix with a name native to our weapons. Well, there is some kind of "Dandelion" ...
        1. SSR
          SSR 13 September 2012 11: 53
          +1
          hmmm there are no English letters in the world)))
          Latin is Cyrillic)) hi
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 13 September 2012 11: 57
            0
            In this case, do not care! ))) I have a combination of letters "MK" together with other Latin letters, causes some kind of inadequate reaction ... to beat and burn everything with such markings. Probably it is necessary to go to the doctor. wassat
            1. SSR
              SSR 13 September 2012 12: 09
              +2
              stopudovo beat .. those who put markings on our letters in Latin today it has become fashionable for us to designate the Latin alphabet and it’s more convenient for merchants
              I sin (((
    2. VAF
      VAF 13 September 2012 12: 18
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      And what, we have no developments in this direction?


      Read and see above ... everything is already painted!

      The only thing that doesn’t exist ..... our companies ... do not roll back their accounts ... in our banks, not Swedish banks, that's all! +! bully
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 13 September 2012 12: 33
        +1
        So the transporters, in off-road conditions they .. well, nothing.
      2. Baron Wrangell
        Baron Wrangell 13 September 2012 13: 42
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        Read and look above ... I've already painted everything! The only thing that is missing ..... our companies ... do not roll back their accounts ... in our banks, not Swedish, that's all

        Dear, before you say so, look at who owns our car factories! The composition of the founders, boards of directors, etc. You are probably so far from the factories that you are talking nonsense! Look at the official websites of car companies, and everything will become clear! Well, about kickbacks and bank accounts, you are mistaken, there are a lot of schemes for withdrawing money from production. And they are stored in the same foreign banks. Alas, here you are wrong!
        1. VAF
          VAF 13 September 2012 14: 28
          +2
          Quote: Baron Wrangel
          look who owns our car factories!


          I’m a little ..in the course ... just a thought ... clumsily stated! Hurried ... so ... call! wink
          1. Baron Wrangell
            Baron Wrangell 13 September 2012 14: 42
            +1
            wink
            Quote: vaf
            so ... call!

            I'm sorry! it happens!
  4. Vanek
    Vanek 13 September 2012 11: 42
    +1
    And after him a column of servants ......... This is neither our Kamaz or the Urals, which can be repaired in the field.

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    When the pancake will begin to shoot


    When the M-16 will start buying.

    Hello to everyone.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 September 2012 11: 48
      +2
      Vanek,
      Hi Ivan, he deleted the comment, that my system is stuck. Another wrote, but the essence is the same.
      Quote: Vanek

      When the M-16 will start buying.

      Can't you start earlier?
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 13 September 2012 11: 51
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Can't you start earlier?


        Yes, even yesterday !!! You wrote above

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It remains to build a plant for the production of m 16


        In the course of this and go.
  5. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 13 September 2012 11: 43
    +2
    Kament from the source, maybe this will clarify something:


    Dear colleagues, yesterday I was sent a reply from ZAO Volvo Vostok about this story, I will post here for clarification. And, as I found out, these machines will go to the newly formed MTO brigades if a contract is concluded, that is, apparently we will talk about the purchase of hundreds of vehicles

    Volvo Vostok CJSC confirms the fact of transferring the Volvo FMX400 chassis with a 6x6 wheel arrangement to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for testing and trial operation. This all-wheel drive chassis model has been manufactured at Volvo's Kaluga factory since 2010. The chassis is provided to create a new generation tanker. The manufacturer of the add-on is one of the Russian enterprises.

    The choice in favor of the Volvo chassis when creating a prototype tanker is due to high performance, long life, low maintenance. The chassis is highly passable, and we are confident that this will be confirmed by the test results.

    As for the information on the potential volumes of orders for this equipment, the possibility of its adoption, the program and the timing of the tests, these aspects of Volvo Vostok CJSC are not authorized to comment, since this is within the competence of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
  6. SSR
    SSR 13 September 2012 11: 45
    +2
    We point out that in accordance with Order No. 380 of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia of May 5, 2009, Volvo Vostok products manufactured at the Volvo plant in Kaluga are recognized as domestic

    Class))) type of focus as with Lada))))
    In general, I am for. ))))
    after 10 years, we will call our Hyundai Isuzu Nisanne Renoshki Ford Mitsubishi and other ё-mobiles running on our roads))))
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 September 2012 11: 54
      -1
      Or maybe this is a very tricky plan to buy up production and technology data?
      1. SSR
        SSR 13 September 2012 12: 00
        0
        and who knows)))) I know one thing)) in 30 years we’ll still scold the domestic auto industry with the words ... damn ... this is Kaluga Volvo is not a Volvo but a bucket with nuts)) but a Volvo from another district .. here it is Volvo))
        or is St. Petersburg Ford a car?
        with our cunning *** fee system and others like it ... after 5 years only an experienced car owner will understand whose assembly the car
        I personally am already confused when I see a Ford or another car .. I bought a truck office and found out that:
        Now the Hyundai will be completely of our assembly (before that, some were ours and some came from Korea)
        began to acquire isuzu .. and here a similar situation)))
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 13 September 2012 12: 02
          0
          Yes, yes, yes ... and look for the coveted marking "not made by us". It’s a pity if this happens. Although I am still an optimist.
  7. Evgeniy1
    Evgeniy1 13 September 2012 11: 54
    -2
    I wonder who will service this equipment? Dear pleasure. A MOTOR RESOURCE 2 MILLION KM - IT IS AT ALL RIDICULOUS.
    1. urzul
      urzul 13 September 2012 11: 56
      +3
      And what is expensive? Volvo has been in the market for a long time. And the filling system itself is so domestic
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 September 2012 12: 07
        +3
        Quote: urzul
        And what is expensive


        Comparison is made with passenger cars Volvo. whose service staff is like a gelding.

        A Volvo and I like it. XC 70 or S40
        1. VAF
          VAF 13 September 2012 18: 07
          0
          Quote: vorobey
          And Volvo and I like


          And who is arguing? For myself .... very nothing, but for the army ???? +!


          Quote: vorobey
          XC 70


          PANTOVOZ !!!!!
      2. in reserve
        in reserve 13 September 2012 12: 08
        +1
        Our machines can be repaired in the field, but try to repair VOLVO.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 13 September 2012 15: 35
          +1
          It's funny Are you so sure that Volvo is a spaceship? Damn, how do the unfortunate truckers ride them? And the men didn’t know (s)
          1. in reserve
            in reserve 13 September 2012 17: 44
            0
            There is a car service for this. And they do not repair the engine themselves. Or maybe you can tell where we have minders preparing for VOLVO, otherwise we have DOSAF and technical schools in the army only on domestic engines training. request
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 14 September 2012 03: 38
              +1
              It's funny There is a car service - but there are no specialists.
      3. spender
        spender 13 September 2012 12: 09
        +5
        Quote: urzul
        And what is expensive? Volvo has been in the market for a long time. And the filling system itself is so domestic


        Andrey, first of all, the Army is strong in that it supplies "unified" equipment !!! Now a decision has been made and the Urals and KAMAZs are being supplied, and here is Volvo ... If there is a breakdown and the equipment is idle, the column on the march stands without fuel ... I don't even mention maintainability in army conditions hi
      4. Evgeniy1
        Evgeniy1 13 September 2012 12: 11
        +3
        Maintenance of components and assemblies on VOLVO is somewhat more complicated than on domestic cars, you can’t repair them in a clean field, you need trained specialists, and the prices for spare parts are more expensive.
  8. sergskak
    sergskak 13 September 2012 12: 22
    +5
    Yes, do not boil well. Wheel tanks, tankers based on VOLVO. The smallest thing remains: to quickly lay asphalt to the battlefield.
    1. Civil
      Civil 13 September 2012 13: 39
      +2
      sergskak,


      Yes, do not boil well. Wheel tanks, tankers based on VOLVO. The smallest thing remains: to quickly lay asphalt to the battlefield.


      or fighting where there is enough asphalt good
  9. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 13 September 2012 12: 24
    +11
    "The new ATZ 12-10FMX40 vehicle allows refueling up to 10 units of equipment at the same time (there are only two tankers in service)."


    No need to whistle, dear author, complex refueling systems deployed in the field and capable of simultaneously servicing 10 combat vehicles have existed and have been fine since Soviet times.
    And what to do with this miracle of technology? Put it in the park, clean it and reverently show the inspectors?
    But what about the vaunted unification of vehicles?

    A mile away from such news kickbacks and cuts stinks ... already reached the tankers ... no words ...
    Taburetkin had only to buy dirt imported for gold and scatter it over landfills - also a very necessary thing, otherwise foreign cars would be scared of our dirt on wheels. But we don’t need scared military equipment? No, not needed.

    Absolutely not against Volvo itself, but only if it will be produced in Russia and from 100% of Russian components and for the TOTAL fleet of the armed forces with the creation of a technical base for maintenance and operation ...
    Hehe, it’s already funny itself ...
    wassat
    1. spender
      spender 13 September 2012 12: 33
      +8
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Absolutely not against Volvo itself, but only if it will be produced in Russia and from 100% of Russian components and for the TOTAL fleet of the armed forces with the creation of a technical base for maintenance and operation ...

      Thank you for a good joke. drinks
    2. VAF
      VAF 13 September 2012 13: 47
      +3
      Quote: Aleks tv
      A mile away from such news kickbacks and cuts stinks ... already reached the tankers ... no words ...
      Taburetkin had only to buy dirt imported for gold and scatter it over landfills - also a very necessary thing, otherwise foreign cars would be scared of our dirt on wheels. But we don’t need scared military equipment? No, not needed.


      +++++++++++++++ !!!!! drinks I’ll just supplement it, not just a mile away ... but for all 10 .... and so much ... Smell !!! wassat
    3. Vanek
      Vanek 13 September 2012 13: 50
      +4
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Taburetkin had only to buy dirt imported for gold and scatter it over landfills - also a very necessary thing, otherwise foreign cars would be scared of our dirt on wheels


      Alex, welcome.

      He laughed heartily. +
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 September 2012 19: 17
        +3
        Alexey, Sergey, Vanya (the name is indicated), I'm glad that my writings smiled.

        But I really, as I read this article, had just a homeric laughter and sarcasm climbed from all the cracks.
        I was especially amused that 10 units of equipment can be connected to this tank at the same time ... (and there is no other justification, except that the barrel is made of stainless steel, and there is some kind of fabulous filter).

        Mom dear, my old horseshoes will laugh again.

        Simultaneous refueling of 10 vehicles is carried out at specially developed points to which fuel is delivered. And this is only one way of refueling under certain conditions of hostilities. A little lower Vasily (Nechai) wrote well about this, he understands the tanker.
        And what is the use of ten hoses stuck in ten tanks from one barrel on wheels? Elephant grains.
        But ten UAZs can be refueled at the same time, collecting them from the whole brigade (and then UAZs will not be enough). Ahrenitelnoe justification for the purchase of such equipment and waste of money ...
        The author did not directly know from which finger to suck out the validity and necessity of adopting Volvo refuellers. Sucked. Well done.
        ...
        Immediately I could not finish, work, radish, prevented.
  10. killganoff
    killganoff 13 September 2012 13: 02
    +10
    I will be brief: In the Kremlin, traitors.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 13 September 2012 13: 19
      0
      I will be brief: In the Kremlin, traitors.
      Indeed, now it will be possible to drive by cars rather than picky cars. Kamrad here took part in the writing off of technology in one of the parts and the adoption of a new one. How to write nito in more detail.
      But in fact there will be driven double bass responsible for this technique so the machine will last a long time and honestly.
  11. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 13 September 2012 13: 49
    +2
    saddened by the article, it is necessary to invest in their factories, exclusively in their factories, it’s interesting how many spare parts for these Volvo are ...
  12. NICK
    NICK 13 September 2012 13: 54
    0
    Now wheel tankers (or pedal tanks) will be ordered to these tankers. Although the tanks will be imported, the gun will certainly be domestic!
  13. PatriotizTAT
    PatriotizTAT 13 September 2012 15: 37
    +5
    Ahhhhh ... what else to say, everything is said, everything is done ... half a year ago I was considered orange because I suddenly expressed cheers to the patriots that I was dissatisfied with the new cabinet and the old one too ... to which I was sent to the USA for money! Now I’ll rather send you there ... otherwise there’s not enough for the new VOLVO! angry
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 13 September 2012 17: 53
      +4
      Quote: PatriotizTAT
      half a year ago I was considered orange because I suddenly expressed my cheers to the patriots that I was dissatisfied with the new cabinet and the old one too ... to which I was sent to the USA for money!

      The wrong patriot is now thinned, crushed. You can be dissatisfied with the Cabinet as much as you like, they don’t even bother much. Do not touch the Most Important Light; it is infallible.
  14. Nechai
    Nechai 13 September 2012 15: 44
    +5
    Quote: Baron Wrangel
    by the way tanks in the field can get into a circle

    BUSV part 2. Chapter 11. "TECHNICAL AND LOGISTICS SUPPORT".
    Refueling tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (BTR) and other equipment carried out directly in battle formations in between battles, usually at night and in other conditions of limited visibility.
    When making a march, before entering a battle, a "field site for the mass distribution of fuel for refueling" is organized. Fuel for it is delivered either by tank trucks (tankers), or in the most efficient and safe way, with appropriate organization and provision of HELICOPTERS. This section provides simultaneous refueling of 2 TR.
    It's a shame, of course, that the KRAZs "left", but under the "barrel", pumps and other domestic base can be found - the same BAZs, for example.
  15. maestro123
    maestro123 13 September 2012 19: 27
    +1
    For the needs of the troops, he will not pass anywhere, only along the highway.
  16. sergskak
    sergskak 13 September 2012 20: 36
    +3
    That would be to look at VOLVO in such a situation.