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Ancient cultures of our country: the Kuibyshev expedition against bourgeois falsifiers

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The famous work of the Czech artist Zdenek Buridan, depicting the most ancient paleoanthropes, even got into the Soviet textbook on stories Ancient World for grade 5 F.P. Korovkina


"A false witness will not go unpunished, and whoever speaks a lie will not be saved."
Proverbs of Solomon 19:5

The material history of our Motherland. We are starting a new series of articles on VO, which will be dedicated to the monuments of material culture on the territory of our country. Too often, people began to appear here who, out of their ignorance, doubt what should not be doubted at all, and demand the submission of evidence of "something there" by the artifacts provided by them. Moreover, for the most part, these people are breaking into an open door. After all, what is unknown to them has long been found, described and kept in museums. And this is their misfortune, and not their fault that they do not read special books, but in museums ... is it possible to visit all the museums of our country?

Well, since a huge number of finds are either sketched in black and white graphics, and they are not of particular interest to non-specialists, and photographs of their "public domain" are usually absent, then color pictures of a famous artist will be used today as illustrative material for this article. - illustrator of the primitive time - Czech Zdenek Buridan (1905-1981), as well as a number of author's photographs.

Ancient cultures of our country: the Kuibyshev expedition against bourgeois falsifiers
Horse head. One of the most amazing examples of stone age art. National Museum of Archeology, Saint-Germain en Laye, France

Against "bourgeois falsifiers"


Well, we will begin our story, so to speak, from our most "domestic place" - the banks of the great Volga River, where ancient people settled in the distant Stone Age. It is interesting that if we honor the historical research of those years, it turns out, as now, that even then there were forces hostile to us abroad, which tried in every possible way to discredit even our prehistoric era. They were called "bourgeois falsifiers of history", and they were engaged in the fact that they repeatedly declared (although references to their works were usually not given in our literature!) wild, and people settled it rather late. How these statements, even if they did take place, could belittle our culture and statehood is not clear. There were no Russians, no Englishmen, no Germans at that time. It is equally unclear what attitude the resettlement of primitive people in the Volga region could have influenced or somehow influenced the "triumph of Lenin's" ideas and the success in building the world's first state of workers and peasants. But even if, since this was discussed, it turns out, in the opinion of our historians of the Soviet era, the connection here was undeniable. So, these very falsifiers should have been rebuffed. But as? There was only one way: start digging! And they began ...


This is how, according to Zdenek Buridan, the most ancient people made stone tools ...

Back in the distant 1938, when Soviet archaeologists started excavations on the Middle Volga and found a lot of things. However, their work was seriously interfered with by the war. But ... there would be no happiness, but misfortune helped. In 1950, it was decided to build the Kuibyshev hydroelectric power station on the Volga, and the USSR Academy of Sciences sent the Kuibyshev archaeological expedition to the site of excavation work. As many as five detachments excavated almost the entire flooded area, from Stavropol to Kazan. They dug for several years and found dozens of settlements of various eras: both the sites of primitive hunters and large cities of the Middle Ages. The scale of the work carried out is evidenced by the fact that the area that was opened was 15 thousand square meters. More than four hundred ancient burials were found. Moreover, they continue to dig in the Volga region, for example, in the same Penza region.


Glacial boulder. Such stones are found wherever there was a glacier. Penza Regional Museum of Local Lore. Photo by the author


I must say that mammoths at that time from the very edge of the glacier to the Black Sea were found in abundance. Here is a skeleton, for example, they dug up near Penza. Now it is an adornment of the regional museum of local lore. Photo by the author

The first people on the Volga: who were they and what did they do?


Well, when did the first people appear on the Volga? The history of the Volga region from when does it begin? After all, the studies carried out by geologists, geographers and paleontologists by the 30s of the last century had already shown that natural conditions already in the Paleolithic era were favorable here for the settlement of people. The glacier, which covered a significant part of the surface of Europe, reached Penza in the Middle Volga region. However, to the south stretched vast plains with tundra vegetation, and further south the plains were interspersed with forests.


To be hit by such tusks? B-r-r, horror, and only

That is, the animals had where to graze, and it is not surprising that their bones have been preserved in the earth's thickness to our time. During floods, the Volga used to severely erode the banks and exposed deep layers containing the bones of fossil animals. In a number of places, they were washed up by whole clusters. But the main evidence of the stay of the most ancient people in one place or another has always been his stone tools.


Manual stone chopper. Upper Paleolithic. Age 35-000 years. Found in Lower Egypt in the Libyan Desert. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

But their finds on the banks of the Volga at that time were isolated, the finds themselves were of an accidental nature and were not localized. That is why it was impossible to resist the bourgeois falsifiers!


Skeletons of a woolly rhinoceros and a huge bull were also found near Penza ... Photo by the author

Therefore, the Kuibyshev expedition, first of all, was tasked with solving the question of the time of the appearance of ancient people on the Volga, for which a whole special detachment was even created in its composition. His attention was drawn to the places where the bones of ancient animals were accumulated, since it was believed that where there were animals, people could also be. And this assumption of scientists was fully justified as a result of excavations.


Well, we also had a primitive deer here. And he left us his skull with horns ... Photo by the author


But they hunted deer like this ... Drawing by Zdenek Buridan

Extinct cemetery


So, not far from the village of Khryashchevka, on the banks of the Volozhka River, one of the Volga tributaries, on the two-kilometer Tunguz Peninsula, many animal bones were found, including the bones of a mammoth, hairy rhinoceros, giant deer and other animals. Many bones were split, that is, they were clearly in the hands of people. And in 1951, the Paleolithic detachment of the expedition found the tools of labor of primitive people.


But these are the animals that lived with us during the Ice Age

They were made mainly of flint, and there were two main forms - these are flakes and points, with the help of which people cut the meat of animals they killed, processed their skins and bones.

Since the "Tunguz" tools were very characteristic, their age was determined by comparison. It turned out that they belong to the Lower Paleolithic, that is, to the "dawn of human existence."


They hunted mammoths, driving them into pits. Rice. Zdenek Buridan

One could now conclusively assume that about a hundred thousand years ago, a group of primitive people who were engaged in hunting lived here. Moreover, they even hunted mammoths and bison, rhinos and deer, bulls. So the bourgeois falsifiers of the 30-50s of the last century were put to shame, especially since then the detachment conducted a study of six more large cemeteries of ancient animals in the Kuibyshev and Ulyanovsk regions, and then in the Tatar ASSR. Moreover, in four cases out of six, his searches were crowned with complete success: together with the bones of extinct animals, they found the tools of primitive people.


The woolly rhino was also hunted in the same way! Rice. Zdenek Buridan


It was worse if this rhino did not fall into the hole! Rice. Zdenek Buridan


And the bear hunt was very dangerous! Rice. Zdenek Buridan

In the Krasnaya Glinka tract, the layer containing the finds, fortunately for archaeologists, was not disturbed and was covered by a large layer of soil. That is, both the bones of ancient animals and the tools of labor of our distant ancestors fell into this layer at the same time and then did not mix. This is how our Middle Volga region was most firmly included in the territory of the spread of primitive people. The tools found belong to the so-called Acheulean and Mousterian periods of the Lower Paleolithic and are the oldest tools found in Central Russia.


Stone tool, processed using the technique of stone retouching. National Museum of Archeology, Saint-Germain en Laye, France

So, it has been proven that people lived here in the Paleolithic era. Now it was necessary to find monuments of a later era - the Neolithic era, the era of the emergence of cattle breeding and agriculture, the emergence of ceramics and the formation of the most ancient tribes. It succeeded in 1953, when an expedition near Kazan, near the village of the Observatory, found a small Neolithic site.


The camp of the primitive hunters. Rice. Zdenek Buridan

Ancient owners of ceramic vessels ...


It turned out that she was in the forest, not far from the river, and there was no fence or ditch around her. In the center was a dwelling of an original design. It was a rectangular pit 9 meters long and 5 meters wide, buried 1,5 meters into the ground. The walls were wooden, and also wooden, its gable roof was of a log structure. Inside were found the remains of several hearths and even a small cellar.


But this is already a Neolithic settlement. The dog was domesticated, as you can see, primitive agriculture appeared, and the axes learned to drill. Only for some reason, the artist did not draw the straps with which the ax was always attached to the shaft for greater strength. I probably forgot. Rice. Zdenek Buridan

The tools of labor, although they were made of stone, were striking in the perfection of their processing. So, they found axes, flint knives and chisels, and their blades were sharpened by carefully executed and fine retouching. Leaf-shaped arrowheads were also found. They have been processed using the wringing technique. Its essence consisted in breaking off ("squeezing") the smallest scales from the surface of the product with a stone or bone wringer.


Burial has played a very important role in the life of human society since the Paleolithic era. They did not spare the red ocher to sprinkle the deceased! Rice. Zdenek Buridan

Here they also found large cauldron-shaped vessels with a rounded bottom, decorated with imprints of a toothed stamp and pits made with the end of a wooden or bone stick.


People also began to engage in art a long time ago. Prehistoric figurines from the Brno City Museum. Photo by the author

Jean Mary Auel's story


Well, already in our time, the primitive history of our country has been completely rehabilitated in a series of novels by the American writer Jean Mary Auel, who since 1980 has published the Children of the Earth hexalogy. The writer was engaged in stone processing and leather tanning, learned to survive in the wild and build ice houses, and also visited excavations throughout Europe - from France to the USSR, so her books can be used as ... a textbook on primitive history, especially since she inserted a lot into them from textbooks. True, I would not recommend reading them to children (there are a lot of the most frank love scenes there), but for an adult they are very informative.


A map of the scene of Jean Auel's novel: from the Black Sea tundra steppes to the very south of France!

By the way, numerous finds of skulls made it possible to establish the haplotypes of ancient hunters who settled in the south of Eurasia, and even to restore their appearance.


However, even without scientific reconstructions, one can assume that they could well look like this ...

To be continued ...
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  1. Catfish
    Catfish 21 October 2021 18: 18
    +9
    yazurd, speech yurbod

    As always, hello everyone with best wishes!

    Vyacheslav, thank you, they just made me happy with the last photo and even wanted to urgently add something.
    We also filmed about savages, but somehow not very much with love scenes.
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 18: 20
      +7
      Same to you!
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 21 October 2021 18: 23
        +10
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, thanks for the article! So far, diagonally, I just came home from work. But I’ll ask a question right away. And in the last illustration, this is not Gerard our Depardieu for an hour?
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 21 October 2021 18: 31
          +15
          hi
          And in the last illustration, this is not our Gerard Depardieu hour?
          Nooo ... This is his great-great ... great-great. And mind you, back then, back in the Neolithic era, there was tolerance. Well, or probably in the photo we see the transition of Negroids to the European race. laughing
          1. EvilLion
            EvilLion 22 October 2021 08: 00
            0
            Negroes appeared later than Caucasians.
        2. kalibr
          21 October 2021 18: 47
          +10
          Quote: Phil77
          is not Gerard our Depardieu?

          It was he. An hour!
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 October 2021 19: 07
            +8
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you, I was especially impressed by the “deer hunt”. So itching to play "If you want to eat venison soup for dinner, look for your wife and go with horns !!! wink
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 34
              +5
              Vlad, why go so hard? laughing
            2. Han Tengri
              Han Tengri 21 October 2021 21: 17
              +6
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              So itching to play “If you want to eat venison soup for lunch, look for your wife and go with horns !!!

              Well ... If, all the time, you chop stones like this:

              Then, sooner or later, misfortune will happen, after which the horns will not seem such a humiliating accessory ...)))
          2. zenion
            zenion 21 October 2021 20: 23
            +8
            This is not Depardieu, but his ancestor Depardieu.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 22 October 2021 09: 39
              +6
              This is not Depardieu, but his ancestor Depardieu.

              Typical Depardione! laughing
        3. depressant
          depressant 21 October 2021 18: 59
          +7
          And in the last illustration, this is not our Gerard Depardieu hour?

          I read it, puzzled questions like "Eh? .." ran under the skull. And then suddenly, as if with an ax executed in the technique of stone retouching, it struck - well, yes, our Depardieu, ours! Who else is "our" there? You live and don't know ...
          Good evening, dear friends! love )))
        4. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 21 October 2021 19: 04
          +8
          Quote: Phil77
          Is Gerard our Depardieu?

          Million years BC.
          https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/50682/cast/
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 40
            +15
            To be honest, I was more impressed by Rachy Welch in her "primitive bikini".
            1. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 21 October 2021 19: 48
              +11
              No, this is another 1966 movie (Although Raquel, of course ... wow!)
              And with the future honorary citizen of Mordovia, this is a 2004 film directed by Alain Shaba. This is more of a parody of modernity in an ancient setting.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 57
                0
                Alas, I have not. smile
            2. ee2100
              ee2100 21 October 2021 20: 28
              +10
              Kostya! The most erotic film that was shown in the USSR, m. Pharaoh is still in this row!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 21 October 2021 21: 41
                +9
                Hmmm ... "Pharaoh" ... Erotica ... Barbara Brylska. smile
              2. Korsar4
                Korsar4 21 October 2021 22: 09
                +5
                And in "Jazz Only Girls" does not count? Or "Battle for Rome"? Search - you can remember a lot.
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 21 October 2021 22: 42
                  +5
                  Each has its own filmography!
            3. Korsar4
              Korsar4 21 October 2021 20: 48
              +5
              Spectacular Loana. Can not argue.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 21 October 2021 21: 46
                +6
                Who is, why don't I know ?!
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 21 October 2021 22: 07
                  +3
                  Who did you portray in the 1966 film? However, there is not much text there. It is very convenient to watch and listen in any language.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 21 October 2021 22: 17
                    +4
                    So her name is Loana? I didn't remember ... request
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 21 October 2021 22: 32
                      +5
                      Yes. And the main character is Tumak. Good name for melee.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 21 October 2021 22: 34
                        +3
                        But his name, oddly enough, I remembered - TUMAK. angry
        5. Korsar4
          Korsar4 21 October 2021 19: 35
          +9
          If you dig deep into the centuries, it is not necessary to stop at Asterix and Obelix. You can deepen and expand even more.
        6. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 22 October 2021 09: 38
          +2
          And in the last illustration, this is not our Gerard Depardieu hour?

          While looking at the pictures in the article, I immediately remembered this film. laughing Bach - and at the end Depardieu! fellow Nice ending!
        7. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 30 October 2021 20: 45
          0
          I don’t understand how you can be grateful for such, um, shameless paperwork. And all the more strange to read this hack from this particular author.
      2. Cowbra
        Cowbra 21 October 2021 20: 21
        +8
        The article is with you, as usual. Very, very, well, my opinion. BUT.
        Vyacheslav Shpakovsky Don't get carried away, you are not a young man, but, forgive me, the first paragraph is pure hysteria. Well, this is not the first time with you, and by the way I am Ukrainian, and I know it, your past, um ... Also hysterical. Vyacheslav. Well, Christmas trees and panicles. Raise your hand! And drop it sharply. saying - yes * oops with him!
        Look at something else, mum-yash. The non-Germans have digitized - while in the process - their archive. Rate the quality?

        Kursk Bulge
        1. kalibr
          21 October 2021 21: 04
          +3
          Quote: Cowbra
          Well, this is not the first time with you, and by the way I am Ukrainian, and I know it, your past, um ... Also hysterical.

          What is written is what ... people need. Some don't, but we work for the majority. And in words you can depict anything on paper. It is not at all necessary that this is so in reality.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 21 October 2021 21: 52
            +4
            Well, Duc, pale vyunosh, eyes burning. Vyaseslav. what are you - well, let's say. With saliva. pancake
            And keep just writing, you do it - it works out great, and this is not my opinion
          2. Cowbra
            Cowbra 22 October 2021 20: 37
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            What is written is what ... people need.

            Duc. Mlyakha-bukha, I just could not convey to you what I had in mind. Well, forgive me, it is clear that someone from your acquaintances, well, insulted you, so to speak. Well? Him, then - you believe. more happy. Why? Apologize for having Polish roots? What nonsense, comrade Shpakovsky ?!
            And more) Well, what about what people need - the couple of populism did not observe from you. Well, the fact that there is such a thing - they read you, yes. Well, maybe I think - you maybutne, as a sky and at full head a Pole .... You are interesting with your articles, and even a Ukrainian, well, I am obliged to hate the Poles, Mavrodi. The goat family, famous by the way
            1. kalibr
              22 October 2021 21: 25
              +1
              I understand you, of course. Thank you for your thoughts. Just don’t think that I am at least taking something to heart, even when it seems that I do. I have been in journalism since 1977, so with the Poles I am Pole, with the Russians I am Russian, with the Ukrainians I am Ukrainian, with the Jews I am a Jew. Here with the fools ... I have not learned and do not want to.
          3. Sergey Sfiedu
            Sergey Sfiedu 31 October 2021 20: 56
            0
            What is written is what ... people need.

            Do people need such noodles? Goebbels' lies were also needed by a certain kind of people. This is not an article, but some kind of propaganda from Stalin's times. The main falsifiers at that time were just Soviet scientists (as a rule, not of their own free will, but fulfilling the command of ignorant Stalinist bureaucrats). Foreign anthropologists did not write trivially about the finds from the USSR because nothing was published about them in international scientific journals. They began to publish - and immediately noticed. And if the author writes about artifacts, he could have looked for more detailed information about them, and not heaped everything together - both what was 100 thousand years ago, and what was relatively recently.
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 21 October 2021 18: 27
      +7

      Glitches are in full swing. laughing
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 21 October 2021 18: 42
        +12
        A Chechen (People's Artist of the USSR) cracks down on a Russian prisoner (Honored Artist of the RSFSR). True, in the film everything ended relatively well, the award found a hero.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 20
          +7
          Makhhmud Esambaev, was appointed by Nikita as the main dancer of the Soviet Union. smile But he really knew how to dance.
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 22 October 2021 15: 30
          +2
          Quote: Aviator_
          Chechen (People's Artist of the USSR)

          Then the Chechens were different.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 21 October 2021 19: 04
        +13

        Another photo from that era, found in a Neolithic smartphone, the last find by British scientists, during the excavation of Stonehenge laughing By the way, this photo, albeit without a lizard, was published in the magazine "Rovesnik" in the year 1981-1982
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 21 October 2021 18: 39
      +5
      Vyacheslav, your talents can only be truly envied! hi For such a useful undertaking, you need to say a BIG THANKS! !! The site will only become more interesting! !! good good good
    4. knn54
      knn54 21 October 2021 19: 15
      +18
      Biology lesson at a Georgian school.
      Teacher:
      - How well-known, chalavek praizashol from the abesian! For example, Georgians
      praizashol from smart and beautiful abesian - chimpanadze. Russian praizashol
      from the big and ne very clever abesian - gavrila. Jew praizashol from
      a small and cunning abesian - Abram-Gutang ...
      Student:
      - And the Chukchi?
      Teacher:
      - Eh, don’t confuse, yes. These are the Abesians who came from the Chukchi!
      And now about the serious thing: Western historians are easy to take.
      "Who owns the present, owns the past, and the one who owns the past owns the future."
      .
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 23
        +12
        They forgot about the Armenian, and he descended from the "naughty little Abezyana" - Makakyan. smile
        1. hohol95
          hohol95 21 October 2021 20: 27
          +7
          And the Americans are from the Flintstone family!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 October 2021 21: 49
            +4
            And they had such a promiscuity that you can't even understand who became the ancestor. wassat
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    6. kalibr
      21 October 2021 19: 24
      +5
      Quote: Sea Cat
      We also filmed about savages, but somehow not very much with love scenes.

      There is some foreign film "Fight for Fire". There is a very funny love scene there.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 26
        +1
        How about putting it out? wink wassat good
        1. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 21 October 2021 19: 41
          +5
          And censorship? :)))
          Although, there is nothing special in these times :)
          http://www.kino-nik.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2-21-Bitva-za-ogon.jpg
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 21 October 2021 20: 24
        +10
        So the book is. In libraries, they did not hide it from Soviet children.
        There is only a struggle for life and methods of producing fire.
        And the love scene must have been inserted by the scriptwriter and the director!
    7. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 12 January 2022 09: 56
      0
      Quote: Sea Cat
      yazurd, speech yurbod

      As always, hello everyone with best wishes!

      Vyacheslav, thank you, they just made me happy with the last photo and even wanted to urgently add something.
      We also filmed about savages, but somehow not very much with love scenes.

      For some reason, the author immediately classifies simple scientific theories as falsifications.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 21 October 2021 18: 19
    +6
    Interesting, informative, of course .... but here's how and where, the ancient history of mankind can be used now to achieve some of their own, selfish, goals ???
    Delirium of "new / ancient Sumerians", except for a smile from anyone, can not cause !!!
    Can they bring up on such delirium only ... a pan of head skakuas, and more than whom?
    As soon as they begin to climb out of their skakuasiya outside, immediately on ... pots and get, and everywhere and from everyone.
    And so look around and WHAT? arrogant snobs from former empires hurt, then someone listens ...
    1. Alexga
      Alexga 21 October 2021 18: 25
      +4
      Strange, why did you get thrown a minus ?! History has now become a political weapon for many. "Delirium" of new / ancient Sumerians "," is now actively implemented in the process of education and training of the younger generation.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 October 2021 18: 28
        +4
        The minus can be leveled, and I did it.
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 21 October 2021 18: 41
          +8
          Sea cat - you would neutralize the minusator itself hi lol +++!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 07
            +8
            So how do you figure it out? He does not stick his nose out of his garbage, only spoils the air. request
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 21 October 2021 18: 48
          +8
          Hi Konstantin soldier
          Positive assessment of the written, it's nice, thank you Yes although a negative rating is better than nothing at all.
          The most unpleasant thing is ... nothing at all. So what was written was ... empty, and did not hurt anyone in any way.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 16
            +7
            Hello Victor. smile
            ... although a negative rating is better than nothing at all.

            This is in the case when they write to you in a popular response, what you are wrong about and give you the opportunity to open a discussion and reveal the truth, and an anonymous minus is nothing more than a simple settling of scores. request
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 October 2021 19: 48
              +5
              Quote: Sea Cat
              anonymous minus is nothing more than simple settling of scores.

              It is, but it doesn’t irritate me either. I do not throw myself on anyone, just like that .... if I call some fans of jumping to the chants, skakuasami ... so it is the very thing! If you don't want to hear offensive, stop jumping, take off the pan ... then there will be no reason to get an offensive nickname.
              How can they argue for their actions?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 56
                +7
                but it doesn't annoy me either ...

                What's the point? The fauna is diverse, all sorts come across, including these. request
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 21 October 2021 20: 13
                  +7
                  I didn’t have a chance to meet skunks ... but we, in childhood, tried to dig up Udodov ... the stinker is still the same, only with a smaller caliber!
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 21 October 2021 20: 22
                    +4
                    Fortunately, I have not met either one or the other, well, perhaps two-legged. laughing drinks
                2. hohol95
                  hohol95 21 October 2021 20: 32
                  +5
                  It is good that they did not take root in the USSR.
                  The local fauna "sent everyone to the places of eternal hunting" ...
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 21 October 2021 21: 48
                    +2
                    But many other things have taken root in abundance, and it is not yet known which is worse.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 21 October 2021 18: 44
        +8
        History has ALWAYS been used as ... motivation to commit crimes too! And also religion, old grievances, and just human envy towards rich neighbors.
        By the way, the term "historical justice" was not invented yesterday and is worn out, smeared with many crimes !!!
        They use it now, but they are trying to find justifications a little closer, in the recent historical periods !!!
        It is possible to use, inspire for exploits, with the help of the history of the distant past, only ... frantic skakuas! You can try to educate such people ... a dangerous experiment, it does not end well for anyone ... just history has proved it more than once!
        The cons do not bother me ... I have neither here nor there! Although, it grows there constantly ... and an affectionate word and a cat is pleased soldier
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 21 October 2021 19: 40
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Interesting, informative, of course

      Oh really?! And what is cognitive in this "article"? In the preamble, the author generally speaks nonsense, nonsense. But ... people hawala and jump with delight. laughing
      The article, in principle, about the Volga region, is accompanied by illustrations, and what ..! Czech artist and photos of exhibits from European museums! Bravo!
      But in the book by Y. Petukhov "By the paths of the gods" the author also gives a photo, but .., of artifacts found on the territory of the USSR. Well, for the local "history buffs" Yu. Petukhov is a false historian (although he was a member of more than one archaeological expedition), but all sorts of ... authors -
      Quote: Thrifty
      your talents can only be truly envied!

      Quote: Phil77
      Thank you for the article
      here in honor.
      Amazing next door.
      We admire the blatant chaff and at the same time call names to the youth - the victim of the Unified State Exam. Horror.
      1. kalibr
        21 October 2021 20: 05
        +6
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        But in the book by Y. Petukhov "By the paths of the gods" the author also gives a photo, but .., of artifacts found on the territory of the USSR.

        Well - take his book as a basis, as a source, and write an article about ... what he wrote there, contact museums where there may be such artifacts, get their photos. As a last resort, scan a photo from Petukhov's book ... No one will interfere with this work. Vice versa. People will only be delighted to have the opportunity to discuss an interestingly presented topic.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 24 October 2021 18: 18
          -2
          Quote: kalibr

          Well - take his book as a basis, as a source, and write an article about ... what he wrote there, contact museums where there may be

          The Chukchi is not a writer, the Chukchi is a reader. And the reader is demanding, he does not like frank hack.
          1. kalibr
            24 October 2021 19: 23
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            The Chukchi is not a writer, the Chukchi is a reader.

            I noticed for a long time that there are too many Chukchi in VO. We climbed out of their chums and let's build ourselves ... Go about your Chukchi affairs. Milk the reindeer there, eat the contents of their stomachs - a delicacy, however. Do not go there, in which the Chukchi have no ear or snout!
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 00: 43
              -1
              Quote: kalibr
              eat the contents of their stomachs - a delicacy,

              However, you are a foodie. I didn't know
              .
              Quote: kalibr
              I noticed for a long time that there are too many Chukchi on VO

              The presence of a large number of "Chukchi" once again proves the presence of shpakov's hack.
              Quote: kalibr
              Deal with your Chukchi

              It's not for you to tell me what to do. I do not forbid you to write. I just rate your articles as outright hack.
              1. kalibr
                25 October 2021 07: 01
                -1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                I just rate your articles as outright hack.

                The opinion of primitive peoples does not interest me. All you need on the site is only clicks and comments. Quantity. What you write about does not matter. But the "chukchi chukchi" are certainly useful. They increase the investment attractiveness of a site much better than really smart commentators. Those what? They will write a couple of times and that's it. But the Chukchi scribble to blue in the face. So - God help!
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 08: 21
                  -2
                  Quote: kalibr

                  The opinion of primitive peoples does not interest me.

                  Primitive peoples also look with bewilderment at, if I may say so, your "creativity".
                  Quote: kalibr

                  All you need on the site is only clicks and comments.

                  And you are needed so that really good articles do not get through to the site, because the place is occupied by your handicrafts.
                  I suggest you stop - no need to litter on the site.
                  1. kalibr
                    25 October 2021 08: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    really good articles don't make it to the site

                    Ha ha ha! Yes, I myself will help a person "get through to the site" and helped people, they are present here, but there are few of them, very few. But if you write about Petukhov, then I will help you too, except for jokes.
                  2. kalibr
                    25 October 2021 08: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Primitive peoples also look with bewilderment at, if I may say so, your "creativity"

                    Of course, because they are primitive. They have to grow and grow before civilization!
                  3. kalibr
                    25 October 2021 08: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    I propose to stop

                    And I suggest you continue. Now there are 236 comments. What if we overclock it to 300?
              2. kalibr
                25 October 2021 07: 12
                +1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                The presence of a large number of "Chukchi" once again proves

                The presence of low-income people who cannot even write an elementary article about what they know well. I understand - it is difficult to write an article for a day. But 1-2 can be written by any living person who has life experience and certain knowledge. Any! Checked. Unless he's a snotty sandbox kid who doesn't know why primitives needed mammoth tusks. This, of course, cannot.
      2. kalibr
        21 October 2021 20: 11
        +5
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Czech artist

        However, the Ministry of Education and Science of the USSR did not disdain them for decades!
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 21 October 2021 20: 29
          -2
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Czech artist

          However, the Ministry of Education and Science of the USSR did not disdain them for decades!

          There is no need to blame the entire Ministry of Education and Science of the USSR, the blame lies with one little official, who introduced these drawings into the textbook.
          Neither this official nor you have a question - for what purpose did the ancients have to hunt rhino and mammoth? To get a large number of killed and maimed? To get a "mountain" of meat? So it is worse than the meat of small animals of which there was plenty. Skins? Due to its thickness, it is longer and more difficult to manufacture. What's the point? I am sure that the ancients, in their lives, were no less practical than modern people. Therefore, the drawings of the Czech are a golimy fantasy on the theme of hunting.
          1. kalibr
            21 October 2021 21: 25
            +5
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            the blame lies with one little official who introduced these drawings into the textbook.

            It only says that you have no idea how textbooks are written and formatted. Moreover, as they were written and formalized in the USSR.
          2. kalibr
            21 October 2021 21: 31
            +5
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            I am sure that the ancients, in their lives, were no less practical than modern people.

            You can't be sure of anything. Could they hunt mammoths? They could! Have meat, skin and tusks. It's all value. And the rhino? Hunting him? For example, having such a neighbor nearby is ... dangerous. It's easier to kill him with a pit.
            1. Han Tengri
              Han Tengri 21 October 2021 22: 17
              +8
              Quote: kalibr
              For example, having such a neighbor nearby is ... dangerous. It's easier to kill him with a pit.

              That is, if there was a suitable pit, capable of accommodating a rhinoceros ... Or a mammoth ... And if it was not there? How to dig it in the Upper Paleolithic, for example? A super-tech digging stick with a stone tip? So for ... you get tired, in general, very much!
              In my opinion, Buridan's drawings are a kind of anthropological archaic, reflecting a concept that existed 50-60 years, and maybe even more ago.
              1. kalibr
                22 October 2021 06: 34
                +6
                Quote: HanTengri
                In my opinion, Buridan's drawings are a kind of anthropological archaic, reflecting a concept that existed 50-60 years, and maybe even more ago.

                Without any doubt.
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 21 October 2021 23: 01
              -3
              Quote: kalibr
              For example, having such a neighbor nearby is ... dangerous. It's easier to kill him with a pit.

              In those days, as I suppose, there were no shpakovs, and therefore there was no one to dig a hole for a rhino or a mammoth with sticks. Or do you think that they had BSL?
              1. kalibr
                22 October 2021 06: 36
                +7
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                In those days, as I suppose, there were no shpakovs, and therefore there was no one to dig a hole for a rhino or a mammoth with sticks. Or do you think that they had BSL?

                Operator (Andrey)
                Yesterday, 22: 01
                At the sites of people of the Stone Age, mountains of bones of large animals were found - mammoth, woolly rhinoceros, etc. The tusks of mammoths were used to make the roof frame of the dugouts. Pits-traps of the corresponding dimensions have not yet been canceled.
                The Cro-Magnons were clearly smarter than you.

                Yes, this "Krasnoyarsk" is generally a fighter by nature ... I found myself an object and fights!
          3. kalibr
            21 October 2021 21: 33
            +6
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            golimy fantasy on the theme of hunting.

            Don't forget about the article based on Petukhov's book.
          4. Operator
            Operator 21 October 2021 22: 01
            -5
            At the sites of people of the Stone Age, mountains of bones of large animals were found - mammoth, woolly rhinoceros, etc. The tusks of mammoths were used to make the roof frame of the dugouts. Pits-traps of the corresponding dimensions have not yet been canceled.

            The Cro-Magnons were clearly smarter than you. laughing
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 21 October 2021 22: 54
              +3
              Dig a hole 5 × 10 × 5 with sticks! You will die! And then drive the mammoth there if he wants laughing... It's hard for me to imagine how these 5-10 tons will follow the crowd anywhere! The mammoth is a herd animal and the herd will simply trample these grief hunters! There is zero real harm from the so-called spear to the mammoth! Maybe it will pierce the skin and nothing more than a mosquito has bitten. This is a myth invented by historians. They found the bones of mammoths at human sites, but this does not mean that he hunted them. The bones were used to build houses and used as fuel.
              There are many smaller animals around, but primitive man wanted mammoths! The elephant has tough meat, I don't think the mammoth has wagyu-type meat!
              1. Operator
                Operator 21 October 2021 23: 34
                0
                Bones are a mineral; using them as fuel is nonsense.

                You are clearly not a hunter-gatherer, but a hipster - like a mammoth harder than boiled sausage laughing
              2. hohol95
                hohol95 22 October 2021 10: 57
                +3
                And in what way did the North American Indians manage to drive a herd of buffalo into a "trap"?
                Dear, are you able to eat and digest wild boar meat?
                No salt or other spices!
                Primitive people could do that.
                And they also "digested" the mammoth meat!
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 24 October 2021 18: 25
                  -1
                  Quote: hohol95
                  And they also "digested" the mammoth meat!

                  And where does such confidence come from?
                  By the way, you will not eat a wild boar, I mean a male. At least with salt, at least without it.
                  1. hohol95
                    hohol95 24 October 2021 20: 17
                    +3
                    And where does such confidence come from?
                    Hunger, constant hunger contributes to the absorption of everything that is not edible for a modern person !!!
                    And the ancient people were constantly in search of food. In order to drown out the feeling of hunger!
                  2. hohol95
                    hohol95 24 October 2021 21: 43
                    +4
                    Dear Krasnoyarsk! Do you eat barley, pink salmon, buckwheat?
                    And there are people in the world who consider pink salmon food for dogs, and buckwheat food for livestock and poultry.
                    Someone eats grasshoppers and tree beetle larvae. But we don't eat them.
                    And not everyone eats mushrooms.
                    And in times of famine, the aspen bark will go into "business". Or frozen potatoes.
                    In the book "Gone with the Wind", at the end of the war, the soldiers of the Cofederation eat ramrods - they put corn flour on the water without salt and sugar, smear the ramrod on the fire. Then they ate the resulting "corn coals"!
                    In the Soviet story about the Great Patriotic War, soldiers going to the hospital dug last year's potatoes in the field and made "pancakes" out of them.
                    They ate this for several days.
                    As soldier Glebov told platoon commander Suslin - You weren't starving, comrade junior lieutenant ...
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 00: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: hohol95
                      Do you eat barley, pink salmon, buckwheat?

                      Pearl barley only in pickle, pink salmon I can't afford, I don't like buckwheat. But this is so, by the way.
                      But seriously, then ... the instinct of self-preservation was inherent in the ancients. This is the first thing. Second, unlike today, in those days, there were several orders of magnitude more game, and several orders of magnitude fewer people, so getting food in the form of meat for good hunters, and they were exactly what they were, did not seem difficult. Moreover, not mammoths with rhinos. namely, smaller game, hunting which is not so dangerous. Do not consider them to be some idiots. Yes, their speech was not as elegant as yours, but as for hunting and survival in that environment, believe me, they would give you a head start. You, like many others, are prisoners of someone's fantasy. It has been said - they hunted a mammoth and everyone, basta, hunted. And why, no one even thinks. If there was enough food for mammoths, then even for cloven-hoofed herbivores. Their whole herds walked. But no, the ancient will not hunt them, he needs to dig a hole with a stick into which it is necessary to drive a mammoth from the herd. For fun, I guess.
                      Let's think about one more thing. How many hunters do you think the tribe would miss when hunting a mammoth or rhino? Could the tribe afford it? Or the leader said - "Let half of the tribe die, but I want mammoths!" hi
                      1. kalibr
                        25 October 2021 07: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I can't afford pink salmon,

                        250 rubles per kg? Frozen with your head? Do you go to the store? I would understand: salmon 750 kg. carcass or 950 p. steaks or sterlet at 1250. But pink salmon? One of the most budget fish today!
                      2. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 08: 35
                        0
                        Quote: kalibr
                        250 rubles per kg? Frozen with your head?

                        We have it at a different price. Well, who am I? Get it out of your head, don't overload your mosch.
                      3. kalibr
                        25 October 2021 08: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        We have it at a different price. Well, who am I? Get it out of your head, don't overload your mosch.

                        Why not? Interesting! Thanks to my communication on VO, I learned so many interesting things about my own country ...
                      4. hohol95
                        hohol95 25 October 2021 15: 30
                        +1
                        Then, based on your chain of thought, people should not have "thought out" to hunt whales! Dangerous, death 100%!
                        On fragile kayaks, with bone hunchbacks - this is death ...
                        For example, the Aleuts adapted to poison whales - they used harpoons coated with poison and the whale died in 3 days.
                        The carcass was thrown ashore by the very depths of the sea.
                        And the nuns' descendants of the Aleuts prefer canned meat!
                        You don't have to swim with a harpoon behind him ...
                        And cook yourself.
                      5. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 15: 51
                        0
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Then, based on your chain of thought, people should not have "thought out" to hunt whales! Dangerous, death 100%!

                        And you think, what does a whale have that is not in a fish? And get an answer why they were hunted. True, not the ancients did this, but that is ...
                        Yes, and about death 100% you famously bent it to the cold one. laughing
                        Although, yes, a dangerous "fishing".
                        As for the bone harpoons ... have you personally seen them?
                      6. hohol95
                        hohol95 25 October 2021 19: 04
                        +1
                        So the Aleuts did not hunt cetaceans before the arrival of the Europeans?
                        The ancient Norwegians taught them ...
                        Images of whale hunting scenes discovered in Norway are 4 thousand years old!
              3. hohol95
                hohol95 22 October 2021 16: 39
                +2
                Did the ancient inhabitants of the Japanese islands eat only wagyu beef?
                Or "threw" into their mouths everything that was considered edible?
                They never learned how to cook fish lol !
              4. Undecim
                Undecim 24 October 2021 21: 58
                +4
                There is zero real harm from the so-called spear to the mammoth! Maybe it will pierce the skin and nothing more than a mosquito has bitten. This is a myth invented by historians.

                This elephant will clearly disagree with you. Obviously you have never been to Africa and have no idea what a spear is and what it can do.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 08: 37
                  -1
                  Quote: Undecim

                  This elephant will clearly disagree with you. Obviously you have never been to Africa and have no idea what a spear is and what it can do.

                  And their spears are exactly with stone and bone tips. wassat
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 25 October 2021 09: 08
                    +2
                    It doesn't really change anything.
                    A flint-tipped spear, with a skillful throw, pierces a pork carcass of 200 kg through and through.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 10: 12
                      -1
                      Quote: Undecim
                      It doesn't really change anything.
                      A flint-tipped spear, with a skillful throw, pierces a pork carcass of 200 kg through and through.

                      From two meters? And, when and who conducted such tests?
                      This is what speed you need to give a spear so that it pierces the carcass through and through without hitting a single bone.
                      Athletes achieved such a result in javelin throw - 26 meters.
                      Only 26 meters. And they have a spear with a perfectly straight shaft, which the primitives did not have.
                      So, your statements are nothing more than fiction.
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 25 October 2021 11: 37
                        +2
                        Yes Yes Yes. Fiction. And the Earth is flat and the Americans did not fly to the Moon.
                      2. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 12: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Yes Yes Yes. Fiction. And the Earth is flat and the Americans did not fly to the Moon.

                        I repeat the question -
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk

                        And, when and who conducted such tests?

                        About flat earth - have you ever seen a globe? laughing
                        And about the Americans on the moon ... they really weren't there. hi
                      3. Undecim
                        Undecim 25 October 2021 14: 50
                        +4
                        I repeat the question


                        You open this book on page 766, read carefully, find the answer to your question.
                        Have you ever seen a globe?

                        So what does he prove? You can make anything out of cardboard. This insidious Masters of the West specially invented a story about a round Earth in order to deceive the super-ethnos of the Old Russians.
                      4. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 16: 23
                        -1
                        Quote: Undecim

                        You open this book on page 766, read carefully, find the answer to your question.

                        There it is written that an experiment was conducted with throwing a spear with bone and flint tips. As a result, such and such results are obtained. So? I just don't speak English. I was tortured in German as a child.
                        You are so gullible that you believe everything that is written. And here I am, from my own experience, I know that 7mm canister shot from 20 meters in a wild pig (not a wild boar !!!) pierces only the skin and does not go further. And your spear pierces through the carcass. They made fun.
                      5. Undecim
                        Undecim 25 October 2021 16: 29
                        +1
                        I just don't speak English.

                        The leader does not care about the problems of the Indians. Learn, read, then come to discuss.
                        In one lane
                        They stood at home.
                        In one of the houses
                        There lived a stubborn Thomas.

                        Neither at home nor at school,
                        Nowhere, nobody -
                        Did not believe
                        Stubborn Thomas
                        Nothing.
                      6. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 16: 35
                        0
                        Quote: Undecim

                        The leader does not care about the problems of the Indians. Learn, then come to discuss.

                        Well then, why are you bothering with your comments addressed to me? I didn't touch you. Allow me not to even read my comments. stop
                      7. Undecim
                        Undecim 25 October 2021 16: 54
                        +1
                        hustle

                        Yes, your communication culture is at its best, as is your knowledge of languages.
                        I did not meddle with you, my comments are for those who will read your maxims.
                      8. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 22: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Yes, your communication culture is at its best,

                        I learned from you.
                      9. Pilat2009
                        Pilat2009 12 January 2022 10: 09
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Quote: Undecim

                        You open this book on page 766, read carefully, find the answer to your question.

                        There it is written that an experiment was conducted with throwing a spear with bone and flint tips. As a result, such and such results are obtained. So? I just don't speak English. I was tortured in German as a child.
                        You are so gullible that you believe everything that is written. And here I am, from my own experience, I know that 7mm canister shot from 20 meters in a wild pig (not a wild boar !!!) pierces only the skin and does not go further. And your spear pierces through the carcass. They made fun.

                        Well why. The spear point is much sharper than 7 mm buckshot. It has more penetrating and cutting power.
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 21 October 2021 23: 09
              -3
              Quote: Operator
              The Cro-Magnons were clearly smarter than you.

              Are you talking to yourself?
              Think about your phrase -
              Quote: Operator
              ... The tusks of mammoths were used to make the roof frame of the dugouts.

              You have curved mammoth tusks and flat trunks of dead trees, what would you choose for roofing? You will obviously choose tusks, Cro-Magnons, I am sure - trees, of which there are many more than tusks, and you do not need to expose your life to a "hunt" for trees, unlike hunting a mammoth. tongue
              1. Operator
                Operator 21 October 2021 23: 54
                0
                I'm smarter than you - definitely laughing

                Mammoths lived in the glacial steppe: what the hell are the trees in the steppe (and even the glacial steppe)?
                1. Lynx2000
                  Lynx2000 22 October 2021 01: 31
                  +2
                  Earlier, in an article on VO, the issue of the "ancient heating system" was already discussed.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 22 October 2021 09: 00
                    +3
                    We are not talking about heating, but about the roof of the dugouts.

                    And you are wrong about the organization of the life of the Sapiens 45-12 thousand years ago - most of them lived for hundreds of years settled in caves and dugouts - see, for example, Kostenki. The secret is simple - the number of Sapiens in Europe at that time was negligible: from several thousand to several tens of thousands of people. In this connection, the food supply (land animals and river fish) exceeded the needs of sapiens by several orders of magnitude, even with a sedentary residence.
                    1. Lynx2000
                      Lynx2000 22 October 2021 10: 32
                      +5
                      Quote: Operator
                      We are not talking about heating, but about the roof of the dugouts.

                      And you are wrong about the organization of the life of the Sapiens 45-12 thousand years ago - most of them lived for hundreds of years settled in caves and dugouts - see, for example, Kostenki. The secret is simple - the number of Sapiens in Europe at that time was negligible: from several thousand to several tens of thousands of people. In this connection, the food supply (land animals and river fish) exceeded the needs of sapiens by several orders of magnitude, even with a sedentary residence.

                      Interest in history arose in childhood, and the former "first love" who studied at the history faculty from the second year brought her to field trips in the summer to archaeological excavations in the south of Western Siberia.
                      I don't have a professional look, but for the roof it is rational to use not bones and wood (only the frame), but leather, tree bark, herbaceous plants, turf, or use natural shelters.
                      40 - 10 thousand years ago it turns out the Late Paleolithic? If I am not mistaken, the period of the last (Valdai) glaciation in which people built dwellings.
                      The dwellings of the Upper Paleolithic were represented by ground and dug structures, the foundation of which consisted of large animal bones (skulls, pelvic bones, limb bones), the frame was created from poles and covered with skins, which were then pressed down with lighter animal bones (mammoth tusks, reindeer antlers, shoulder blades, ribs). Large (including with several hearths) dwellings were traced in the periglacial zone - in the middle reaches of the Dnieper and Desna rivers (Gontsy, Mezhirichi, Dobranichevka, Yudinovo, Eliseevichi, Pushkari, etc.), on the Don
                      (monuments of the Kostenkovsko-Borshevsky region), in Siberia (Malta, Buret). In the more southern regions (Northern Black Sea region), there were also light ground dwellings such as chums or yarangs (Osokorevka I, Muralovka,
                      Stone Beam).
                      Regarding the migrations of sapiens, it is assumed that hunting for smaller game began closer to the end of the late Paleolithic period, and people also caught and ate fish. The food supply for mammoths, woolly rhinoceros, and giant deer implied annual migrations, and ancient hunters followed the animals.
                      Regarding the issue of the level of danger of hunting a mammoth or a giant deer, I think that either of the hunters could be crippled (killed) equally, only the prize for the risk when hunting a mammoth was more significant. Again, pygmies in Africa are traditional elephant hunts.
                      Today there are migrations of roe deer and subspecies of red deer, even in some areas of our Motherland seasonal migrations of elk are observed.
                      1. Operator
                        Operator 22 October 2021 11: 21
                        +4
                        We are talking about such stationary dwellings made of mammoth bones and tusks, which the builders obviously had in abundance.

                        Bones and tusks formed the frame, which was covered with mammoth skin, sod or tree bark (in the forest-steppe zone). Unfortunately, I did not find on the Internet sketches from the excavations of a long dugout with a whole avenue of mammoth tusks dug into the ground on either side of its long axis.

                        People living near the rivers (such as Kostenok) did not need seasonal migrations after land animals, since they had a rich food base in the form of fish. The animals themselves came to people depending on the season.
                      2. ee2100
                        ee2100 22 October 2021 13: 44
                        +2
                        National Science and Natural History Museum Kiev.
                        Dwelling of ancient people, it is clear that reconstruction

                        I was a schoolboy there on an excursion
                      3. Lynx2000
                        Lynx2000 23 October 2021 07: 50
                        +1
                        So I wrote about the roof earlier. What should the tribe do if they do not live next to the river, and the fish are not endless in the lake.
                        From my own experience, I know that you can't walk around the tundra for a long time on venison (if you want to boil or fried, stroganina), or chinook salmon, sima, you can't walk around the tundra for a long time, you want to eat again in a couple of hours.
                      4. Operator
                        Operator 23 October 2021 12: 18
                        0
                        In all of Europe, during the glacial tundra steppe, about 10000 people lived, so there were plenty of rivers with trout and other salmon for everyone.
                2. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 00: 35
                  0
                  [quote = Operator] I'm smarter than you - definitely [/ quote
                  Do not praise yourself, no one will think. Our people are so slow-witted. laughing
              2. Lynx2000
                Lynx2000 22 October 2021 01: 30
                +5
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                You have curved mammoth tusks and flat trunks of dead trees, what would you choose for roofing? You will obviously choose tusks, Cro-Magnons, I am sure - trees, of which there are many more than tusks, and you do not need to expose your life to a "hunt" for trees, unlike hunting a mammoth. tongue

                Your opinion is interesting, but I would like to note that mammoth tusks are very heavy. The roof is a covering. The frame of the type of yaranga, chum or ail among the Altaians (from poles folded into a cone and covered with bark) is easier to fold / bring from poles, they will be easier. Youngsters do not have to be chopped, waste energy. Primitive people wandered, which means they traveled from north to south following the migration of animals, the tundra-steppes to the south are replaced by forest-steppes, besides, after the spring flood, there are many trees (floaters) on the river banks.
                In the scientific community, in research documentaries, there is a lot of controversy about hunting methods and hunting objects. Pygmies hunt elephants, although they have monkeys in their menu ...
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 25 October 2021 16: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Lynx2000

                  ... I would like to note that mammoth tusks are very heavy.

                  Quote: Lynx2000
                  Primitive people roamed

                  Thanks. Your two sentences, which I have quoted, are indisputable proof that tusks were not used as a building material.
                  1. Lynx2000
                    Lynx2000 25 October 2021 23: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Quote: Lynx2000

                    ... I would like to note that mammoth tusks are very heavy.

                    Quote: Lynx2000
                    Primitive people roamed

                    Thanks. Your two sentences, which I have quoted, are indisputable proof that tusks were not used as a building material.

                    Not quite so, I wanted to suggest that ancient man combined building materials, i.e. if it was not possible to use natural shelters - caves, then he built dwellings from improvised material: stones, bones and tusks of large animals, wood, turf, earth, skins ...

                    Regarding the statement of one of the colleagues in the VO, that the ancient people were sedentary, supposedly there was plenty of food in the vicinity of the camp, and hunting for mammoths was risky.
                    However, the number of wild animals, including game birds, is determined by seasonal migrations.
                    Likewise, herds of mammoths, including woolly rhinos, giant deer, reindeer, wild horses, the so-called. bison migrated depending on the season. The bird as an object of hunting similarly makes seasonal flights. Fish activity in rivers or lakes also depends on the season. For example, salmon fish (anadromous) are active in the first summer months during the spawning run.
                    It seems to me that the ancient man also made the transitions after the animals, the ancient tribe could have several encampments, summer and winter. There was no need to carry "building materials" with you, they used the camps set up by the previous generations of their tribe.
                    About hunting large animals. Who suggests that ancient people approached a herd of mammoths, stabbing them with spears? There is a driven hunt, suddenly, by a round-up, causing panic in the herd to drive the animals to the place of the trap, not necessarily a dug hole, but on the contrary a narrow ravine creating a gorge, a precipice. Or such a way of hunting - at the crossing.
              3. Konnick
                Konnick 22 October 2021 15: 39
                +2
                You have curved mammoth tusks and flat trunks of dead trees, what would you choose for roofing?

                You may have even tree trunks, but they were not in the tundra steppe, but there were mammoths, living and dead, the tusks were straightened and made spears, and the unstraightened ones were used for construction.

      3. rocket757
        rocket757 21 October 2021 20: 31
        +1
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Oh really?! And what is cognitive in this "article"?

        And what should have been pointed out that it is kind of like a military-oriented site and such a distant history of practical significance, right here, DOESN'T HAVE?
        The author of the article indicated that he / they want to fight against historical falsification.
        So that business is necessary, although whether it is worth diving so far and deep ... I'm not sure. About which, by the way, I immediately wrote.
        If the goal is to refute the enemy's propaganda, historical deception ... then it is worth choosing topics that are more relevant, but you certainly should not cling to that nonsense about the "ancient Sumerians" and the seas dug out by them ... it will disappear by itself, although it will leave a trace there, in "Sumeria" ...
        Me and the majority, a little worried about the theory that Africa is the homeland of all mankind !!! it was so long ago that ... let the specialists do it.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 October 2021 20: 37
          +3
          By the way.
          Stanislav Vladimirovich Drobyshevsky is a Russian anthropologist and popularizer of the scientific worldview. Candidate of Sciences in Biology, Associate Professor of the Department of Anthropology, Faculty of Biology, Lomonosov Moscow State University. Scientific editor of the portal Antropogenesis.ru.
          Tells, writes in an easy style, without problems, intelligibly ... just like lecturers watered and other lumen! Very interesting.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 21 October 2021 20: 40
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          And what should have been pointed out that it was sort of like a military-oriented site and

          Am I talking about this? I asked - what is cognitive here?
          It is as if you, talking about the poem "Eugene Onegin", wrote - "My ... honest ... got sick ... out of the gate." Would that be very educational?
          The author does not reveal the topic from the word at all, although he swings at it in the preamble. In a word - trash. And you say - informative. lol
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 October 2021 21: 16
            +3
            We talk / write about different things. I'm talking about the topic of countering falsifications IN GENERAL ...
            When they come closer to ... closer, in historical terms, in my opinion, it will be closer to the "body" of the vehicle.
  3. Undecim
    Undecim 21 October 2021 18: 32
    +15
    Back in 1938, when Soviet archaeologists started excavations on the Middle Volga and found a lot of things.

    Those interested in details about "found a lot of things" can find the most detailed information in this four-volume edition, published by the Academy of Sciences of the USSR in 1954.
  4. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 21 October 2021 18: 37
    +9
    The scale of the work carried out is evidenced by the fact that the area that was opened was 15 thousand square meters.

    Isn't it a mistake, Vyacheslav Olegovich? It is only 1,5 hectares. Somehow the scale does not really pull.
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 19: 05
      +8
      Quote: A. Privalov
      It is only 1,5 hectares.

      If you look at the depth, then this is a lot.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 October 2021 19: 38
        +10
        Quote: kalibr
        If you look at the depth, then this is a lot.

        In the early 90s, I participated in the excavations of Skypopolis. So, I have a little idea of ​​the territory, scale and depth of such works.
        1. kalibr
          21 October 2021 19: 59
          +5
          With primitives, everything is deeper ... And, by the way, I checked - not a mistake.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 October 2021 20: 01
            +4
            Quote: kalibr
            With primitives, everything is deeper ... And, by the way, I checked - not a mistake.

            Well, so be it. I have no complaints. hi
            1. kalibr
              21 October 2021 20: 09
              +4
              Quote: A. Privalov
              Well, so be it. I'm no pretense

              No, but the figure really raises doubts. But it is she who is in the source.
        2. Heel
          Heel 25 October 2021 13: 53
          +1
          O! I also dug it in the summer of 91
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 21 October 2021 19: 44
      -2
      Quote: A. Privalov

      Isn't it a mistake, Vyacheslav Olegovich? It is only 1,5 hectares. Somehow the scale does not really pull.

      And this is all that you can present to the author? I expected more from you.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 October 2021 19: 49
        +6
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk

        And this is all that you can present to the author? I expected more from you.

        And here are some "presentations"?
        I assumed that Vyacheslav Olegovich was simply mistaken. Maybe he didn't finish writing a zero ...
        But it turned out that the excavations he talks about were really not very large in scale.
        What did you expect so special?
  5. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 21 October 2021 18: 38
    +10
    On account of the "bear hunt" Pan Zdenek, of course, bent :)))
    And so interesting drawings. School years reminded me.
    True, about Eila, I did not read then. I don't know if Auel was published in the USSR, but there was "Struggle for Fire" by Roni Sr.
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 19: 20
      +8
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      whether Auel was published in the USSR

      What are you doing ?! There is only pornography!
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 21 October 2021 19: 30
        +6
        Well, ninyayu ... "Thais Afinskaya" Efremova came out the same.
        1. kalibr
          21 October 2021 19: 58
          +2
          You know ... "Your period with the Moon?", "She threw off her clothes and stayed ..." - this is Thais of Athens. Even in his youth, he was outraged that she was there all the time undressing, and did not even reach that. Is that with Ptolemy ... Not so with Auel ... However, this should be read. Retelling, especially here, is useless.
          1. Senior seaman
            Senior seaman 21 October 2021 20: 05
            +5
            Quote: kalibr
            Even in his youth, he was outraged that she was there all the time undressing, and did not even reach that.

            My uncle bought "Thais" for his daughters as a gift, but he read it first himself and hesitated :))) I was 12 years old then, and the girls are a little older ...
            But I'm not talking about that. Censorship reasons could well have done it. And in the late 80s, in my opinion, they did not bother at all.
            Quote: kalibr
            However, this should be read.

            With both hands for, although, in all honesty, he himself read only the first three. At first it was interesting, and then the author, it seems to me, got carried away ...
            1. kalibr
              21 October 2021 20: 08
              +3
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              At first it was interesting, and then the author, it seems to me, got carried away ...

              I forced myself to read the entire cycle. There are a lot of inserts from articles and books on archeology and servicing.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 21 October 2021 20: 01
          +3
          So the immortal creation of d'Coster was docked by twenty percent by the publishing house "Children's Literature"
  6. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 21 October 2021 18: 44
    +10
    And why is there no photo of stone chopped from the Volga region excavations? Were they not found, or are they not as beautiful as from the American Museum?
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 18: 51
      +4
      Quote: Aviator_
      And why is there no photo of stone chopped from the Volga region excavations? Were they not found, or are they not as beautiful as from the American Museum?

      Why do you think, Sergei?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 21 October 2021 18: 54
        +5
        I offered two options for an answer, a word for the author.
        1. kalibr
          21 October 2021 19: 18
          +7
          Faithful none. Probably everyone understands that it would be more appropriate and interesting to give a photo from the excavation site. But ... take a look at the site of the Penza Museum of Local Lore ... there is nothing Paleolithic there. When I was photographing the mammoth, I looked at the exposition. Only bronze and only 1-3 century. There is an archaeological museum in the pedagogical institute. But dragging there and asking to open windows now is a dead matter. There are photos on the Internet, but not "public domain". And since all the chops are generally similar, then ... no matter where the photo is from, the main thing is that it is. To correspond with our museum, all one thing is to urinate against the wind. And the US museums - opened the page, looked - "photo" public domain "and EVERYTHING.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 21 October 2021 19: 26
            +4
            To correspond with our museum, all one thing is to urinate against the wind.
            But with the Hermitage, Vyacheslav Olegovich, you have found a common language. True, it's sad there with the Paleolithic ...
            1. kalibr
              21 October 2021 19: 34
              +4
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              But with the Hermitage, Vyacheslav Olegovich, you have found a common language. True, it's sad there with the Paleolithic ...

              Anton, there are always exceptions. But there are 10 rules for one exception. This is a huge expense of time and effort. I once wrote that with the most kind attitude towards myself in the Penza Museum of Local Lore, where my wife worked for five years and her friends and my acquaintances work ... they have not been able to open one showcase for me for already ... 21 years! They can't, that's all!
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 21 October 2021 19: 44
                +6
                Something is "unclean" here !!! Not otherwise, the Vatican secret service agents, "enemies of the accordionists", want to hide the truth from the general public!
                1. kalibr
                  21 October 2021 19: 47
                  +7
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  want to hide the truth from the general public!

                  Some truly amazing things are happening there. For nothing that the film was shot "Night at the Museum".
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 21 October 2021 19: 49
          +2
          Quote: Aviator_
          I offered two options for an answer, a word for the author.

          I have only one option - the article was written on my knee within 15 minutes and, since the author is a greater "expert" of European museums than Russian, the illustrations are from the same place.
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 21 October 2021 18: 54
        +7
        ,,, money for the photo probably want.
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 21 October 2021 18: 55
        +6
        Probably due to their absence in the Penza Museum of Local Lore?
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 21 October 2021 19: 17
      +7
      And why is there no photo of stone chopped from the Volga region excavations?

      There is why not. But they are really inferior in quality to museum photos.
      1. kalibr
        21 October 2021 19: 29
        +5
        The books of the 50s are full of them. But I somehow got used to illustrate my materials with "live" photos. And the black and white books of that time, in my opinion, can only be interesting to specialists.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 21 October 2021 19: 41
          +6
          It is really difficult to find color photographs of paleo-era tools found on the territory of Russia, and taking into account the “public domain” it is doubly problematic.
          1. kalibr
            21 October 2021 19: 52
            +3
            Quote: Undecim
            and taking into account "public domain" it is doubly problematic

            Triple! Therefore, it is easier for me to take a photo in museums in France, Sweden and the United States, than to squirm in search of something suitable in ours. If you manage to get something interesting - why not, but not succeed - you will have to rejoice and what is, or rather, there will be.
  7. Xlor
    Xlor 21 October 2021 18: 59
    -1
    The very first image, the work of the Czech artist Zdenek Buridan, depicts people similar to the ancient ukrov ... Is that what they are?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 October 2021 19: 10
      +8
      Quote: Xlor
      The very first image, the work of the Czech artist Zdenek Buridan, depicts people similar to the ancient ukrov ... Is that what they are?

      I am interested in your opinion, how did the ancient "ukry" differ from the "non-ukri"? laughing
      1. Xlor
        Xlor 21 October 2021 19: 56
        +1
        how did the ancient “ukry” differ from the “non-ukrov”?

        The ancient ykpy learned how to burn bricks and build arches, invented astronomy and mathematics. And a lot more that our civilization still uses! The Creator - and he was an ancient secret. But the "nekry" did not invent anything, they only ran with stone axes after mammoths ...
  8. Evil troll
    Evil troll 21 October 2021 19: 10
    +2
    Whatever one may say, but the artists at all times were inspired by the same thing. laughing
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 21 October 2021 19: 32
      +4
      Yes???...................
  9. ee2100
    ee2100 21 October 2021 19: 30
    +5
    "By the way, numerous finds of skulls made it possible to establish the haplotypes of ancient hunters who settled in the south of Eurasia, and even restore their appearance" (c)
    I look forward to continuing from this very place!
    Good evening all! hi
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 19: 32
      +5
      Quote: ee2100
      I look forward to continuing from this very place!

      All of Gerasimov's works are on the Internet. The topic will be continued within the framework of the plan and the availability of available information and photographic sources.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 21 October 2021 20: 03
        +3
        "All of Gerasimov's works are on the Internet. The topic will be continued within the framework of the plan and the availability of available information and photographic sources" (c)
        Decided to get off topic? Commendable!
        "By the way, numerous finds of skulls made it possible to establish the haplotypes of ancient hunters who settled in the south of Eurasia, and even restore their appearance" (c) you wrote this.
        So let's talk about haplotypes and haplogroups of the Neolithic.
        The sculptor Gerasimov restored the appearance of a person from the remains of the skull bones, but first of all he is an artist - he saw it that way!
        You can't say about Z.Buridan's paintings that these are everyday sketches.
        2-3 weeks ago, there was information that the genetic material of 3 mummies was restored from the appearance (there is a photo on the Internet) So I'm expecting something like this from you!
        1. kalibr
          21 October 2021 20: 18
          +6
          Quote: ee2100
          So let's talk about haplotypes and haplogroups of the Neolithic.

          This is not for me, but for the OPERATOR, He is here an expert on haplotypes and haplogroups. Submissions will go as planned. To rush left and right on the first "click" means to ruin the cycle.
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 21 October 2021 20: 26
            +1
            Those. about haplotypes you are so, for the catchphrase! Will you retell us the theory of the 19th century?
            Yes, the science of history has advanced greatly!
            Here is a photo recovered by a computer program from the genetic material of Egyptian mummies

            And all of you are promoting your Penza museum!
            1. kalibr
              21 October 2021 20: 30
              +4
              I will do what I see fit. You also seem to have written on VO? So write about the restoration of portraits by a computer based on the genetic material of mummies. I personally will only be in favor.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 21 October 2021 20: 54
                0
                In short, about haplotypes is for a catchphrase, such as being drawn!
                Jumped off!
                1. kalibr
                  21 October 2021 21: 10
                  +1
                  Read Operator's answer below. It is comprehensive. But if you are so worried about this topic, write your material, I already wrote to you about it. But you tactfully did not notice my proposal.
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 21 October 2021 21: 32
                    0
                    Was reading. He voiced part of one of the theories.
                    You want to play the first violin here, you cannot answer for the spelling and ask your opponent to answer me laughing
                    I like to follow your creativity more.
                    Maybe I'll write.
                    1. kalibr
                      21 October 2021 21: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: ee2100
                      Maybe I'll write.

                      So write, maybe after that you will become the first violin, why not try it? Only "cannot", but for sure. I am sure that a lot of people are already interested, and it will be a shame if they are deceived in their expectations. And follow the creativity. As one funny movie says: "Study student while I'm alive!"
                      1. ee2100
                        ee2100 21 October 2021 22: 01
                        +1
                        "The operation is very, very carefully prepared, for example, if there are 38 snipers, then each sniper has a target, the target moves, and his eyes move constantly" (c) EBN
                        This quote is more appropriate!
                    2. Operator
                      Operator 21 October 2021 22: 31
                      +3
                      The male haplotype (labeled with the Y chromosome) is not directly related to the phenotype (appearance), since there is also the female haplotype (labeled with mitochondrial DNA).

                      For example, in mono-ethnic human populations such as the Slavic tribes (100% male haplogroup R1a) in the period BC, the phenotype was stable (white skin, light eyes and hair). After mixing the Slavs with the Illyrians (I1 and I2), the Erbins (R1b) and the Ugrophins (N1a1), the Slavs phenotype swam and now we see its wide spread.

                      As for the determination of the phenotype of the Egyptian pharaohs by their haplotype (Erbino R1b), this is pure pseudoscience: in the genotype of the pharaohs there is a huge number of genes of Egyptian women - Hamitok E1 in the male line (such as Berberkes or Albanians).
                      The same applies, for example, to the representatives of the Indian higher castes - all as one carriers of R1a, but purely Indians by phenotype (female Dravidian inheritance in the face).
                      1. ee2100
                        ee2100 21 October 2021 23: 02
                        -1
                        The question was for Shpakovsky, this is his article "the ancient cultures of our country ....". He mentions the haplotype and it is logical that if he writes about "our country" then let him specify by the haplotype, especially since they are clearly defined in the Neolithic.
                        And he quietly slid under the table and something else is broadcasting there!
                      2. Operator
                        Operator 21 October 2021 23: 49
                        +1
                        Not everyone is as advanced in genealogy as you are.

                        As for the gene pool of Europeans:
                        - from the 45th millennium BC Europe is inhabited by Illyrians (I1 and I2);
                        - from 33 millennium BC the Austronesians appeared there (C1, Kostenki), but they all died out;
                        - from the 13th millennium BC Arias (R1a) appeared;
                        - from the 9th millennium BC Hamites (E1), Caucasians (G1) and South Semites (J1, Crete) appeared;
                        - from the 5th millennium BC the first erbines appeared (R1b, lower reaches of the Volga, Don and Dnieper);
                        - from the 3rd millennium BC the second erbines appeared (R1b, Iberian Peninsula);
                        - from the 2nd millennium BC ugrophinians appeared (N1a1, Ural);
                        etc.
  10. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 21 October 2021 19: 34
    +6
    Well, Vyacheslav Olegovich, a wonderful start. good
    You will have to know something about the topic in order to properly participate in the discussion, and not be limited to thanks.
    But thanks anyway. smile
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 19: 51
      +4
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      great start.

      I'm glad you liked it. But you don't need to be shoddy. It will be a series of essays along an ascending timeline from the Volga to the Pacific Ocean. I am sure that your knowledge is enough.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 21 October 2021 21: 00
      +4
      Yes, so-so article, Mikhail, to be honest.
      Yegor Laptev is better and more informative.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 21 October 2021 21: 33
        +3
        With Yegor it is more scientific, with Vyacheslav Olegovich it is more popular. To each his own. I like it.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 21 October 2021 22: 16
          +3
          Well, figs knows ... Another "simplicity is worse than theft." I also liked it, but this is the level of "Murzilki".
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 21 October 2021 22: 32
            +2
            Hey! Goodnight! Do not offend VOSH, this is the level of the "Koster" magazine!
          2. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 21 October 2021 23: 04
            +5
            But there are more clicks.
            Only Laptev and Vashchenko will not pull the resource. If you only publish them, there will be a dozen and a half commentator heroes and that's it.
  11. Hypatius
    Hypatius 21 October 2021 19: 41
    -3
    Shpak, lies from the first picture!
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 19: 48
      +3
      Quote: Hypatius
      Shpak, lies from the first picture!

      The famous work of the Czech artist Zdenek Buridan, depicting the most ancient paleoanthropines, even got into the Soviet textbook on the history of the Ancient World for the 5th grade by F.P. Korovkina
      1. Hypatius
        Hypatius 21 October 2021 19: 53
        -5
        Yes, let the picture hit. I, simply proceeding from logic, do not believe that monkeys could create masterpieces! Which, we are with our so-called. we cannot repeat it with progress.
        1. kalibr
          21 October 2021 20: 25
          +2
          Quote: Hypatius
          I do not believe that monkeys could create masterpieces!

          Who says monkeys? Created by people, and in the pictures yes-l-e-e-kie ancestors ...
          1. Hypatius
            Hypatius 21 October 2021 20: 32
            -7
            Ok, let's say they are distant. But, such Chinese artifacts from Toriki are given millennia of age. Yes, I don't care, I mean that now we will not repeat these balls, or marble statues, or Isaac. We are not the pinnacle of this world, as your historians say.
            1. kalibr
              21 October 2021 21: 21
              +2
              Quote: Hypatius
              nor Isaac

              That is, St. Isaac's Cathedral in St. Petersburg was built before the foundation of the city by Peter, right?
              1. Hypatius
                Hypatius 21 October 2021 21: 29
                -6
                Well, I think so. It’s simple, it’s more logical. Than to believe that a bunch of serfs drove the piles and created the masterpieces. Listen, if you like the story, then sort out the topic of orphanages. Very entertaining. And, Russian America then sounds, not only Alaska.
                1. Hypatius
                  Hypatius 21 October 2021 21: 33
                  -6
                  * go childish? In principle, both in St. Petersburg and in Moscow, these are great buildings, and stories about them know.
        2. Free wind
          Free wind 21 October 2021 22: 34
          0
          For starters, just try to get fire in the ancient way. drinks
      2. Hypatius
        Hypatius 21 October 2021 20: 04
        -6
        For example, technology "monkeys"
        Yes, all 3D printers are resting. We cannot repeat this.
        1. Fat
          Fat 22 October 2021 08: 28
          +3
          Quote: Hypatius
          For example, technology "monkeys"
          Yes, all 3D printers are resting. We cannot repeat this.

          hi I know how you can do such a thing practically on your knee. It is important to know what material to make. Here, not a 3D printer is needed, but ingenuity ... Enough technologies from the mid-18th century and a lot of time to build such an art object wink
  12. Hypatius
    Hypatius 21 October 2021 19: 46
    -4
    Lies and lies. The previous civilization built Isaac on all continents, tamed animals, and much more. And, here are pictures of half-monkeys.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 21 October 2021 20: 03
      +7
      Previous civilization ...

      Previous to whom or what? "Specify the entire list, please." (C)
      1. Hypatius
        Hypatius 21 October 2021 21: 39
        -6
        Previous Our. Or is your science showing off new tamed animals or building Isaac? Of course not.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 21 October 2021 21: 43
          +4
          Hmmm, judging by the text, the case is difficult. You with this not to me, but to a specialist, please.
          1. Hypatius
            Hypatius 21 October 2021 21: 48
            -5
            Pride is sin. You asked, I answered. But, there are no brains for arguments, therefore it is necessary to humiliate the opponent. Fool.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 October 2021 21: 53
              +4
              Seriously responding to blatant stupidity is in no way impossible. And as for humiliation, you yourself humiliate yourself with your familiar boorish attitude towards people around you. You get what you deserve in return and immediately deign to be offended - how can it be that I, good, can be a boor, but those around me are not allowed!
              Kindergarten by God, you and Tatra. hi
              1. Hypatius
                Hypatius 21 October 2021 21: 57
                -4
                Yes, do not lie to yourself and around. It was you who began to be rude and seductive. Damn, who are you lying to, because all the moves are recorded
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 21 October 2021 22: 15
                  +5
                  Breathe deeply, you are anxious, do not overload the nervous system, cells (nerve) do not recover. smile
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 22 October 2021 09: 52
                    +4
                    Breathe deeply, you are anxious, do not overload the nervous system, cells (nerve) do not recover.

                    Autumn, aggravation, Uncle Kostya ... It's just that everyone has a different course ... what
                2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 October 2021 22: 15
                  +5
                  Quote: Hypatius
                  Yes, do not lie to yourself and around. It was you who began to be rude and seductive. Damn, who are you lying to, because all the moves are recorded

                  Your first comment to this article, dear Hypatius!
                  Quote: Hypatius
                  Shpak, lies from the first picture!

                  After that, you will convince everyone and everything around that you are white and fluffy? hi
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 22 October 2021 09: 53
                    +4
                    After that, you will convince everyone and everything around that you are white and fluffy?

                    Vlad, are you still selling oil in barrels? wink drinks
                    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                      Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 October 2021 17: 37
                      +3
                      Quote: Pane Kohanku
                      Vlad, are you still selling oil in barrels?

                      Good evening Nikolay !!!
                      For every second barrel I add a fly in the ointment !!! I do not like it when they are familiar and bite on principle, and not for business!
                      hi
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 22 October 2021 09: 51
      +4
      The previous civilization built Isaac on all continents, tamed animals, and much more.

      And in Australia? belay belay and what, Montferrand lived there too?
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 October 2021 19: 50
        +2
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        And in Australia? and what, Montferrand lived there too?
        Reply

        His cat lived there, but Polynesian Papuans sawed through Polevskoy malachite and Afghan lapis lazuli. In this connection, they have been engaged in genetics for a long time in order to cover their tracks and smuggle cava in small containers. So marsupials are a side effect of the fickle Cathedral of St. Isaac in Australia !!!
        drinks
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 25 October 2021 09: 24
          +1
          So marsupials are a side effect of the fickle Cathedral of St. Isaac in Australia !!!

          Marsupials smeared with Isaac's oil ... laughing drinks
  13. Covid
    Covid 21 October 2021 20: 00
    -4
    The story is very complicated. Different theories, opinions, interpretations and new discoveries, a different look suggests that History is a frozen piece of clay, but a constantly changing substance. History is in a constant state of rewriting.
    A historian, as a rule, people are honest and they will not falsify anything.
    Only in totalitarian states could it be that the Central Committee of the CPSU gives instructions and everything is adjusted to fit it.
    The DPRK also has its own history.
    That somewhere in England or the United States, the authorities have indicated to someone what and how to interpret?
    Or here they write about some kind of "Motherland". Where was she 10 years ago or two? Or Central Asia was no longer in Russia. Or the Baltics in the USSR and everyone has no head about this abstract "Motherland".
    RI was also in Alaska, so that local Indians also lived in our homeland?
    Let people decide for themselves what is their homeland and what is not.
    I even remember this "For the Motherland, For Stalin" !!! Synonyms?
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 20: 21
      +3
      Quote: Covid
      that the Central Committee of the CPSU gives instructions and everything is adjusted to fit it.

      And then this concerned only individual moments, and not the whole story as a whole.
  14. Operator
    Operator 21 October 2021 20: 06
    0
    Damn, what are the Europeans 100 thousand years ago - the Sapiens separated from the common ancestor with the Neanderthals only 224 thousand years ago and it happened in Africa. Sapiens left Africa for the Middle East 89 thousand years ago and immediately rushed along the shores of the Indian Ocean to Southeast Asia - like "it's warm there, there are apples" (C).

    The first Sapiens came to Europe from Asia through Anatolia only 45 thousand years ago - exactly after the explosion of the Phlegrean volcanic fields in the Apennines, which killed the European Neanderthals.

    Hence the conclusion - learn history not from textbooks 50 years ago. laughing
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 20: 37
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      Hence the conclusion - learn history not from textbooks 50 years ago.

      Andrey, how are you on time. This is not just about the history of 50 years ago, but about how it was done already at that time. What they found, what conclusions they made. What we know today we are very much obliged to that research. There, the person above is very interested in everything that haplo ... I would really ask you to answer him.
  15. Luminman
    Luminman 21 October 2021 20: 12
    +6
    Quote: Covid
    History is in a constant state of rewriting
    I remember that Churchill used to say that history is not a science, but a point of view.
    Quote: Covid
    A historian, as a rule, people are honest and they will not falsify anything.

    Laughed for a long time!
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 20: 39
      +3
      Quote: Luminman
      Laughed for a long time!

      Thieves, fools, and forgers are found anytime, anywhere. But - not all people are thieves, not all fools and not all historians are falsifiers.
    2. Hypatius
      Hypatius 21 October 2021 20: 41
      -7
      Also porzhu, about honesty from Torikov.
  16. sergo1914
    sergo1914 21 October 2021 20: 30
    +4


    Such a weirdo was found near Podolsk. Dating back to the 13th century. I did not find a photo. Only a screen after scanning with a 3D scanner.
    So that's a typical hare. Just from a hangover, you see, he was when he posed. The scar on the head is late. Someone wanted to align with a saber. In Podolsk, by the way, a copy. Moscow has grabbed the original.
    1. Keer
      Keer 22 October 2021 14: 51
      +3
      Obviously, this is an alien - he has eyes above his eyebrows (as is customary for them, aliens). .The historians are hiding something! Therefore, he was taken to Moscow.
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 October 2021 19: 58
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      Only a screen after scanning with a 3D scanner.
      So that's a typical hare. Just from a hangover, you see, he was when he posed.

      Considering that the "selfie" in the stone had to "pose" the "freak" for at least six months! The man drank the liver completely and irrevocably.
      Sergey good evening!
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 22 October 2021 20: 10
        +2
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Quote: sergo1914
        Only a screen after scanning with a 3D scanner.
        So that's a typical hare. Just from a hangover, you see, he was when he posed.

        Considering that the "selfie" in the stone had to "pose" the "freak" for at least six months! The man drank the liver completely and irrevocably.
        Sergey good evening!


        Kind. The material is limestone. This Buratino was shot during the evening.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 October 2021 21: 31
          +1
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Quote: sergo1914
          Only a screen after scanning with a 3D scanner.
          So that's a typical hare. Just from a hangover, you see, he was when he posed.

          Considering that the "selfie" in the stone had to "pose" the "freak" for at least six months! The man drank the liver completely and irrevocably.
          Sergey good evening!


          Kind. The material is limestone. This Buratino was shot during the evening.

          Well then, he has two "pair-Carlo". And in the morning, both the model and the artist suffered from a hangover! laughing
  17. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 21 October 2021 20: 56
    +5
    Vyacheslav Olegovich! You wrote here:
    The famous work of the Czech artist Zdenek Buridan, depicting the most ancient paleoanthropes, even got into in the Soviet textbook on the history of the Ancient World for grade 5 F.P. Korovkina

    Sorry, I gave you a plus for wanting to publish your inventions and patience in the selection of materials, BUT !!! The material is presented for the level of students in grade 5.
    I squeezed you a notice of an error in the text:
    Manual stone chopper. Upper Paleolithic. Age 35-000 years. Found in Lower Egypt in the Libyan Desert. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

    In fact, it should be either - 5 - 000 years old, or 35 - 000 years ...
    ==========
    No offense, but from my own experience. The whole story over 100 years old is someone's speculation and the fruit of the imagination. I was fascinated by reading (as a child) VA Obruchev's novels "Plutonium", "Sannikov's Land", then Roni Sr. appeared, then "On the edge of the Oycumene" by Efremov ... How can I tell you honestly, so as not to offend? There are more exciting stories.
    I can't understand why the Volga region? If at the place of residence - then it is understandable.
    In a word, Zdenek Buridan's fantasies and the memory of textbooks evoke more vivid memories than a set of colored illustrations among the grains of text ... Although, what can you write about a stone ax that you saw only in a museum or in a picture.
    ==========
    Bitter truth is better than sweet flattery.
    hi
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 21: 16
      +7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Bitter truth is better than sweet flattery.

      Would you like a scientific article on Stone Age archeology? Well - open an article about Denisovskaya Cave on the Web and enjoy the beauties of the scientific style, cross-references to scientific articles, references to monographs and other scientific delights not for the 5th grade. I am sure that you will get tired of reading it even before the description of the mitochondrial groups of the found bone remains and haplotypes begins.
    2. Andobor
      Andobor 24 October 2021 10: 07
      +1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Sorry, I gave you a plus for wanting to publish your inventions and patience in the selection of materials, BUT !!! The material is presented for the level of students in grade 5.

      Yes, the article is at the level of a school essay, a schoolchild can do it well for this, but it is enough to listen to a couple of lectures by specialists on the network, so that "this" would disappear even the desire to criticize.
  18. depressant
    depressant 21 October 2021 21: 03
    +7
    Phew! ..
    Having noted Zyryanov with a long commentary, after having read the article by Vyacheslav Olegovich, I finally reached this forum, and here ... As many as 97 opinions! Finger beat off to put pluses to everyone, with the exception of two or three opinions, with which I do not agree.
    Dear colleagues, do you deny the Paleolithic man a sense of beauty and the ability to create art? What's the matter with you! The most beautiful hunting scenes on the walls of the caves are the Paleolithic! And then, when the Neolithic came, the art of Paleolithic painting was lost for some time. Drawings similar to those for children appeared - stick-legs, match-pens. But then art took its toll.
    Look, do you even know that animals have a sense of beauty? And you refuse the person!
    1. kalibr
      21 October 2021 21: 18
      +3
      Quote: depressant
      And you refuse the person!

      It's not out of spite!
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 21 October 2021 21: 34
      +5
      And the fox finds beauty in the fox, and the wolf in the she-wolf. This is, of course, when you are full. Here is the theme of beauty among praying mantises, however, is not fully disclosed.
      1. depressant
        depressant 21 October 2021 21: 40
        +3
        I can't calm down!
        Imagine a bird with a fairly common plumage. A nest on the ground, in the form of a hut. But how decorated! With what taste the flowers were selected, the stones and shells were laid out! And the achievements of the new time - the bird found bright plastic toys in the dump and supplemented its interior with them.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 21 October 2021 21: 42
          +4
          And here is the nightingale. Sings - you will listen. And the nest is no fantasy.
          1. depressant
            depressant 21 October 2021 22: 11
            +2
            I once had a whole story about the Nightingale here, on VO. Unforgettable! He performed classics in a minor key. The human voice is nothing before its singing. Until now, as I look at the stump of a tree where his nest was, I am grieving.
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 21 October 2021 22: 20
              +3
              Who would argue. You can also remember the Bible: "Look at the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither work nor spin."
              1. depressant
                depressant 21 October 2021 22: 57
                +3
                Lilies ... Just the other day I watched the video. The herd of horses is grazing. The guy, sitting on something, plays an instrument that looks like a small flying saucer. Well, how he plays ... Tapping his fingers, lingering droning sounds are heard, quite beautiful, some kind of melody arises. A horse came up. She stood on the side of the guy and so that the instrument was below, under her neck. Became and froze. The guy smiled, continued to play, the horse - listen. And then the guy sang softly, gently. And the horse began to cry. Large tears rolled from my eyes ...
                One day a girl got out of the car and started playing the violin. A herd of grazing cows immediately came running and, forgetting about the grass, surrounded the artist and began to listen attentively. The cows didn't even chew the gum like they usually do, they listened!
                I cannot deny the Neolithic man aesthetic possibilities!
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 24 October 2021 12: 03
            +2
            Quote from Korsar4
            And here is the nightingale. Sings - listen ...

            ... and he himself is all gray, nondescript ... To plant him next to a sparrow - you can't tell with a hangover ... And a peacock ?! Handsome! People wait for hours for the tail to fluff up. But, you just have to open your mouth ... No.
    3. dzvero
      dzvero 22 October 2021 15: 10
      +2
      Look, do you even know that animals have a sense of beauty? And you refuse the person!

      Look at the animal world, then at our society and understand that the wrong monkey got the chance ...
  19. depressant
    depressant 21 October 2021 21: 33
    +5
    And now it became interesting why the body of the deceased was sprinkled with red ocher, as shown in the figure.
    It turned out that the bodies of not only the dead, but also seriously ill people were sprinkled with ocher. The latter - in order to provide healing, since ocher has disinfecting properties.
    And the dead - from the supposed possibility of resurrection with the help of this product.
    In any case, ocher prevents the decay of the corpse and the spread of infection. People knew this already in the Paleolithic. But in fact, in later times, ocher was not used in the burial as shown in the figure. They treated the feet with ocher, poured it under the vessels that were placed in the grave, painted the walls of the grave and its floor with complex ornaments using a piece of ocher. And then the grave was sprinkled with ocher powder on top.
    1. Han Tengri
      Han Tengri 22 October 2021 21: 16
      +2
      Quote: depressant
      It turned out that the bodies of not only the dead, but also seriously ill people were sprinkled with ocher. The latter - in order to provide healing, since ocher has disinfecting properties.
      And the dead - from the supposed possibility of resurrection with the help of this product.

      Quite the opposite. And then, suddenly, the respected deceased's old sores will get sick and there is no antiseptic on him. And he will take it and crawl out of the grave, and he will go through the camp to look for "medicine" ... It's scary!
      So they put ocher and medicinal plants in the grave, preventively, so to speak. According to principle:
      So that you don’t climb out of the ground
      I will put an end to you
      Spit on the grave three times
      Goodbye honey honey
      Come on!
      1. depressant
        depressant 22 October 2021 21: 39
        +1
        Quite the opposite. And then, suddenly, the dear deceased has old sores

        Igor, good evening! )))
        Your opinion No. 2, the first I have stated, it is not mine. I agree with yours as a modern person who understands that the dead cannot get out of the grave. I agree with the opinion of the Paleolithics as a person who knows that even in the 19th century, cattails were attached to the graves so that the revived one could pull the rope and call, they say, I woke up, and you put me into the grave early. There were cases. And even now periodically there are enough condratiy doctors when the "dead" come to life. I guess the Paleolithic is no exception wassat )))
        1. Han Tengri
          Han Tengri 22 October 2021 22: 13
          +2
          Quote: depressant
          Your opinion No. 2, the first I have stated, it is not mine.

          Good evening, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! In fact, "my" opinion is not mine either. ))) This is the opinion of modern anthropologists. And it is based not so much on the fact that the Neandrthals still supplied the dead with ocher and medicinal plants (this speaks rather of the emergence of some ideas about life after death). How much is that the same Neanderthals, and behind them the Cro-Magnens, cut off the tendons of the deceased on the legs, and in some places on the hands. And now this can already be regarded as some kind of attempt to protect oneself from an evil "zombie" who, for some reason, may think to get out of the grave and visit relatives.
          1. depressant
            depressant 22 October 2021 22: 33
            +2
            So experience prompted them such an opportunity)))
            A single case is enough for it to become widely publicized and become legendary due to the horror of the phenomenon. I suppose a case of a short-term coma, which could not be distinguished from death. Maybe so. Or maybe imagination. The world was extremely filled with danger, literally behind every bush. Survived is the one who could imagine its known variety, and along the way, nonexistent. And take appropriate action. A kind of reinsurance.
            1. Han Tengri
              Han Tengri 22 October 2021 23: 04
              +1
              - What can I offer? .. And they write, they write ... Congress, some Germans ... My head swells. Take everything, and share ...
              )))
              Most likely, both factors worked: experience and the principle: "It is better to be a living coward than a dead hero." (with)
              Moreover, to gain experience, it was not necessary to observe the comatose who got out of the grave. It was enough to come across, for example, in winter a completely "dead" bear in a den, which, when trying to poke spears into it, suddenly came to life. And then - imagination, that is, extrapolation.
  20. Avior
    Avior 21 October 2021 21: 39
    +3
    Interesting article.
    Vyacheslav Olegovich debunked the bourgeois falsifiers! :)))
    But about the interesting cycle of the American writer, which I read just on the advice of Vyacheslav Olegovich
    in our time, the primitive history of our country was completely rehabilitated in a series of novels by the American writer Jean Mary Auel, who since 1980 has published the Hexalogue Children of the Earth

    I would like to add a little.
    The clan of the Cave Bear in the region of Crimea and Novorossiysk in the picture is not our ancestors. The Cave Bear Clan is a tribe of Neanderthals, which, as is now known, are not our ancestors.
    I was surprised to find that even this discussion had an attempt to move down to the Ukrainian topic :)), I could not resist the cycle, taking this into account, I decided to write the true truth smile .
    The cycle of books tells about how a little Ukrainian Cro-Magnon Eila

    due to an accident that killed her relatives, she was forced to find herself in the Neanderthal tribe - the inhabitants of the Crimea, where she endured bullying and all sorts of oppression, up to the fact that she was made dead in the Neanderthal tribe, separated from her son,

    and she fled to the area of ​​Kiev, where she lived away from people,

    until she met the traveler from France Jondalar, whom she saved his life. Young people fell in love with each other and went to the homeland of their beloved - to France, on a path full of dangers ... smile
    (Attention! For adults only! :)

    pleasant viewing smile
  21. Katran
    Katran 21 October 2021 22: 26
    +3
    As for stone tools, there is a video on the internet where the master clearly demonstrates to the audience the manufacture of silicon knives (or tips) by chipping and squeezing. And recently my friend sent me a photo of a primitive fish bone hook found during the expedition, here it is. It is noteworthy that the primitive "engineers" combined the hook and weight))
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 October 2021 22: 33
      0
      Two conclusions can be drawn from the photo of the hook.
      1. The fish was then fearless and inexperienced. Now you can catch anything like that.
      2. Our ancestors did not exchange for every little thing, they caught big! :)))
  22. Maks1995
    Maks1995 21 October 2021 22: 41
    +1
    Just for reference, on Anthropogenesis. ru, no one drove rhinos and the like into the pits.
    There are no traces.
    Now, neither the Bushmen, nor the Indians, nor all the Yakuts are thinking of driving anyone into the pits.
    Like hunters of the 15-21st century, where there are already clear documents about hunting
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 October 2021 23: 30
      +3
      Sorry, I don't know about rhinos and Anthropogenesis. I respect ru, but hunting pits are still not fiction, but a very real way of hunting.

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Звероловная_яма

      However, maybe a very large animal was not really hunted like that, too big a hole is needed.
      And the Yakuts, most likely, do not hunt like this, because trapping pits are legally prohibited and belong to prohibited methods of hunting.
      22. It is prohibited throughout the territory of the Russian Federation:
      .....
      22.3. Hunting use of pneumatic weapons, bows, crossbows, trapping pits, hooks, alert guns and other generally dangerous trailers
      "STANDARD RULES OF HUNTING IN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION" (APPROVED BY ORDER OF THE SOMINS OF THE RSFSR dated 04.01.88 N 1) (REV. 23.08.95)
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 22 October 2021 09: 27
        +1
        Thanks. Didn't know about the Swedish pits ....)))
  23. Sergey Sfiedu
    Sergey Sfiedu 21 October 2021 22: 48
    +2
    "against bourgeois falsifiers" - in principle, it is immediately clear that you can not read further. Not bourgeois non-falsifiers - who is this? Maria Gimbutas - is she a forger? Modern archaeologists and paleontologists - are they bourgeois if they work in bourgeois Russia? Drobyshevsky is clearly a bourgeois falsifier? But Fomenko, Nosovsky and Klesov are great patriots! Or is it irony and sarcasm - then it would be nice to put emoticons. An article in the spirit of the middle of the twentieth century and based on materials from the same period. Everything is piled up in a heap - both the Early Paleolithic and the Neolithic. It is not clear to what cultures the finds are attributed. Sorry, Burian's paintings are good, but they are outdated a long time ago. Very weak. Deuce.
  24. faterdom
    faterdom 21 October 2021 23: 54
    +1
    I do not understand, in the last picture like a citizen of the Russian Federation Gerard Xavier Depardieu? Or his ancestor?
  25. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 22 October 2021 06: 49
    -1
    Yeah ... adult site wassat
    Alternative history is a fiction genre dedicated to depicting reality, which could have been if history at one of its turning points (bifurcation points, or fork points) went a different path. This literary genre should not be confused with alternative historical theories, which suggest that the picture of the past depicted by historical science is partially or completely erroneous.
    better, you can’t say.
  26. EvilLion
    EvilLion 22 October 2021 08: 02
    +3
    even restore their appearance


    Yes, yes, next to a French actor and a woman clearly from East Africa, this is undoubtedly a possible combination in an era when they lived in small clan groups, and everyone had to resemble each other.
  27. Soveticos
    Soveticos 22 October 2021 10: 20
    +2
    Thanks. Very interesting article.
  28. ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 22 October 2021 15: 06
    +3
    It turned out that she was in the forest, not far from the river, and there was no fence or ditch around her. In the center was a dwelling of an original design. It was a rectangular pit 9 meters long and 5 meters wide, buried 1,5 meters into the ground. The walls were wooden, and also wooden, its gable roof was of a log structure. Inside were found the remains of several hearths and even a small cellar.



    It is no coincidence that the parking lot looks like a modern ... summer cottage. This climate affects and, apparently, this place was not all the same a permanent habitat, which should have been more solid. Modern descendants also love to dig cellars in the field of outdoor recreation and tinker with the "original design" of the building.
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  30. Denimax
    Denimax 23 October 2021 00: 43
    0
    Researchers suggest that animal bone marrow was part of the diet of ancient humans. What the predators have eaten and then the vultures are always bones that can only be split in order to get to the calories that are contained in the bone marrow. It remains in the bones longer, it is a kind of canned food.
  31. alavrin
    alavrin 23 October 2021 13: 01
    0
    They hunted mammoths, driving them into pits ... And in the same way, rhinos ...)
    I would like a detailed alignment of how a tribe of 30-40 people in the ice age digs this hole in bulk and how much it digs it, and what it digs, and what it feeds on, and how it drives this colossus there ... I don't know about the "stupid" "ancient, but the pygmies hunted elephants in a very different way.
    https://antropogenez.ru/quote/372/
  32. Bogoyavlensky Dmitry Dmitrievich
    Bogoyavlensky Dmitry Dmitrievich 24 October 2021 09: 53
    +1
    As I read "bourgeois falsifiers" in the title, even a tear came. Nostalgia struck.
    And what are our falsifiers called now? The socialist ones are over, the capitalist ones, probably not? Sovereigns, or what?
  33. Piligrim
    Piligrim 28 October 2021 21: 58
    0
    Informative. It is a pity that there was no photo of the tools of labor (hunting) from our museums.
    Clarification: A hair on the Volga is not a river (tributary), but a branch of the main channel.
  34. Castro Ruiz
    Castro Ruiz 29 October 2021 18: 43
    0
    The author, renowned Czech artist Zdenek Burian and not Buridan.
  35. mvbmvbmvb
    mvbmvbmvb 30 October 2021 23: 10
    -1
    What's correct in the last photo is a thoroughbred Russian. Well, maybe not a very purebred, but according to his passport, a Russian !!!
  36. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 1 November 2021 14: 48
    0
    > How these statements, even if they did take place, could belittle our culture and statehood is not clear.

    As what - the most direct, such baseless statements are designed specifically for the underdeveloped man in the street. Write that, they say, a certain people have appeared recently, have nothing of their own, and you will receive in advance a condescending, if not derogatory attitude of the general masses towards a certain people. That's the calculation, regardless of our research and findings.
  37. Olga B
    Olga B 12 December 2021 09: 34
    0
    Vyacheslav, tell me, please, from which book was the spread about animals taken (animals that lived with us during the Ice Age)?
  38. rodus
    rodus 17 December 2021 09: 15
    0
    The author, if such a song has gone, we have the work of one historian of "Rus of the Great Scythia" Yu.D. Petukhov. - study, I think you will write more than one article on the basis of this historical work;))))
  39. Sergey Stepanov_5
    Sergey Stepanov_5 24 January 2022 16: 56
    0
    The article is interesting, but the knowledge of geography let us down. Quote from your article: In 1950, it was decided to build the Kuibyshev hydroelectric power station on the Volga, and the USSR Academy of Sciences sent the Kuibyshev archaeological expedition to the site of excavation work. As many as five detachments excavated almost the entire area of ​​flooding, from Stavropol to Kazan. Look at the map - where is Kuibyshev and the Volga, and where is Stavropol, the question is how could he get into the flood zone?
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 24 January 2022 17: 08
      0
      Tolyatti until 1964 - Stavropol ... something like that.
  40. Shahno
    Shahno 24 January 2022 17: 18
    0
    Quote: ee2100
    Those. about haplotypes you are so, for the catchphrase! Will you retell us the theory of the 19th century?
    Yes, the science of history has advanced greatly!
    Here is a photo recovered by a computer program from the genetic material of Egyptian mummies

    And all of you are promoting your Penza museum!

    According to the genetic material, it is possible to restore the "portraits" of viruses or bacteria of the past ... but the appearance of mummified people is you "enough" (but what about the phenotype?).