In the USA about the case with ships in the Sea of ​​Japan: the Russian BOD "Admiral Tributs" would not have caught up with the destroyer USS Chafee

The Russian Ministry of Defense recently circulated a report about an incident involving the US Navy destroyer USS Chafee in the Sea of ​​Japan. The statement says that an American warship has attempted to violate Russia's maritime borders. The crew of the Chafee destroyer was repeatedly warned by Russian sailors about the inadmissibility of such actions. It was also reported that the area of ​​the water area is closed for navigation in connection with the conduct of the Russian Navy exercises with live firing.

At one point, the distance between the US Navy destroyer and the Russian large anti-submarine ship (BOD) of the Pacific Fleet Admiral Tributs was no more than 60 m. For two large warships, this is a really small distance.
"Admiral Tributs" took all measures to prevent the entry of USS Chafee into Russian territorial waters.

After these statements, representatives of the American Pacific Command took the floor. fleet... The release stated that the instruction by the Russian side to attempt to violate the Russian sea borders "does not correspond to reality." It is stated that the American destroyer was sailing in "international waters" - "where it does not contradict international law."

The exact location of the "contact" between the crews of the Russian anti-submarine ship and the US Navy destroyer is not reported at the moment.

For reference: USS Chafee (DDG-90) is one of the many Arleigh Burke URO destroyers with guided missile weapons. It was put into operation in October 2003. The total displacement of this ship is about 9,6 thousand tons, the largest draft is 9,4 m. The ship is equipped with Kevlar hull protection in several of its sections. The maximum speed is 32 knots. For comparison: the maximum speed of the anti-submarine ship of the Russian Navy "Admiral Tributs" is about 29-30 knots.

On this basis, the United States, commenting on the case with the ships in the Sea of ​​Japan, said that the Russian BOD Admiral Tributs "simply would not have caught up with the destroyer USS Chafee if it had been about attempts to physically obstruct the course." At the same time, the logic is not entirely clear: why would the Russian BOD need to catch up with the American destroyer, if it had already crossed its course, blocking further advance - in fact, "catching up", and even in the presence of weapons and other Pacific Fleet ships patrolling in the same area of ​​the water area ...

Comments

[Ravik]

Admiral Tributs may not catch up, but the rocket from him is easy!

[Stas157]

At the same time, the logic is not entirely clear: for what Russian BOD would need to catch up with the American destroyer

Yes, Russian ships do not need speed at all! Why is she? If you have some weapons and other ships!

We don't need destroyers with aircraft carriers! Why! With weapons and other ships!

[I am not a robot]

Well, our BOD caught up with the same destroyer, and blocked its path (in Wikipedia, they both have a speed of 32 knots)

[sivuch]

Project 1155 has a maximum speed of 30 knots, which is achieved only in complete calm.
But the very measurement of pi ...., sorry, with speeds, is absolutely inappropriate and just stupid.

[I am not a robot]

and their speed is measured with a hurricane of 10 points, and it is written in the wiki that 32,

[venik]

Quote: Janerobot

Well, our BOD caught up with the same destroyer, and blocked its path (in Wikipedia, they both have a speed of 32 knots)

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This is not true! For Project 1155, the design speed is 30 knots. The Tributs has a maximum test speed of 29.5 knots! The condition of the mechanisms and the underwater part of the vessel is also important here. Therefore - "passport" data - not always true!
Another thing is that "Tributs" - went to INTERCEPT: ie. had a definite advantage !!! In the same way, an anti-aircraft missile can intercept a much faster target if it is fired "towards" and not "in pursuit"!

[I am not a robot]

and for this American destroyer the calculated, and which is the real

[venik]

Quote: Janerobot

and for this American destroyer the calculated, and which is the real

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So it is said about this: if the maximum speed on tests is close in value, then the one who has the best condition of the mechanisms and the underwater part of the hull will have the advantage in speed!

[Oleg Zorin]

Apparently, I have a different version of Wikipedia, where the speed of the Admiral is 29,5. Another thing is that measuring ... hmm ... "speeds" is regrettable

[avg avg]

We should still get rid of the stasiks!

[tralmaster]

You can change stasiks for American bedbugs.

[zenion]

Stas157. At the same time, the American ships have a secret plan like Ukraine. It consists in the fact that an American ship can dive to the bottom at a time when the Russian one will sail and look for where and for how long the American ship dived. Maybe the sailors will need help and the Americans will need to supply through a hose, if not oxygen, then at least air. Americans should not forget that there are fish swimming there, which can bite off the propellers and legs and arms of the ship.

[Kedrovich]

Ours knew this cunning plan, and therefore sent a Large ANTICIPATE ship. He would have found them at the bottom.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Ravik

Rocket

Sure sure.
Are we going to make war with America?
I wonder how much the ruble will cost then? 100 for the dollar, 150? Or a whole thousand?

[Popandos]

how much will the ruble cost then

Not how much, then there will be a natural exchange, goods for goods, as in the Stone Age

[mark1]

Quote: Jacket in stock

I wonder how much the ruble will cost then?

I can't say how much the ruble will cost, but for the dollar they will beat you in the face.

[Olkhovsky]

Are we going to make war with America?
I wonder how much the ruble will cost then? 100 for the dollar, 150? Or a whole thousand?

Was it a non-trash war, did it fly a thousand dollars? Are you ready to endure humiliation and spitting in your own direction and in the direction of Russia?

[I am not a robot]

the exchange together with New York will burn in a nuclear flame, we will not be able to find out how much the dollar will cost

[Vasyok]

the exchange together with new york will burn in a nuclear flame

To do this, the Americans will need to sink another 20 Kursk. But where can I get them?

[lucul]

Sure sure.
Are we going to make war with America?

Well, America was going to be at war with Russia once it sent its ship there for a provocation. That means they are ready to aggravate the situation right up to the war. And Russia, then, would prefer not to appear at war, right?
After all, according to your words

how much will the ruble cost then? 100 for the dollar, 150? Or a whole thousand?

Ie, so that the dollar does not jump, you are ready to trade the territory of Russia, right?

[Vasyok]

Ie, so that the dollar does not jump, you are ready to trade the territory of Russia, right?

The current Federal Law on ASEZ does not prohibit this.

[Guru]

I wonder how much the ruble will cost then? 100 for the dollar, 150? Or a whole thousand?

Perhaps 1000 dollars for 1 ruble. Don't you consider such options?

[mikh-korsakov]

Konstantin! "We are going to make war with Ameriko“For some reason, it seems to me that in the event of a war with America, any talk about the value of the dollar would be at least inappropriate due to the physical absence of the issuer of dollars, as well as the absence of living holders of this piece of paper. If you do not mean a full-scale war, and the incident, then its outcome will not affect the dollar rate, which was clearly demonstrated by the events near the Crimea. The outcome will depend on who blinks first.

[Vasyok]

in case of war with America

With what fright will the colony suddenly begin to fight with the mother country, or vice versa?
Is there a revolution in Russia? An unpredictable change of power? Has a national liberation movement emerged that Putin cannot cope with on his own?
And the tale about the decline of the dollar is as old as the world.

[Looking for]

Remember, in the case of the United States, there will be no "ordinary" war. There will be a nuclear war at once. ..that is the question.

[Vasyok]

Remember, in the case of the United States, there will be no "normal" war; there will be a nuclear war at once.

Remember, while Russia is ruled by Putin, who underwent special training in America, THERE WILL BE NO WAR WITH America!
https://maxpark.com/community/129/content/6239932

[Serge-667]

With what fright will it be "immediately nuclear"?
I'll tell you a secret, the war is already underway. Syria, Afghanistan ..
And not in our favor, judging by the price tags.

[Timon2155]

It is disgusting to read such comments. As if he had stepped in. Do not worry about the dollar exchange rate in case of war, but how not to stand up to the wall with such conclusions.

[Clone]

«It's okay if we from some destroyer arrange a mass grave for 300 American corpses in the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, ”Baranets said.
As the retired colonel predicted, the use of such measures will not lead to the start of a military conflict with the United States....
Worst of all, such actors are quoted as "military experts" in some quarters. It does not accept and is not responsible for making decisions, but out of habit thrashes with its tongue, as with the "guiding and directing" that has sunk into oblivion ...

[Pensive Lawyer]

Do you only care about the value of the dollar? Are you afraid that everything you save will not be enough for housing overseas?

[stels_07]

Yes, no, 100 kg rubles for a buck is a little expensive

[Sheridan]

Lousy continues to dream of a bath?

[isv000]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Sure sure.
Are we going to make war with America?
I wonder how much the ruble will cost then? 100 for the dollar, 150? Or a whole thousand?

The dollar will cost exactly as much as the Reichsmark in May 1945 ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Here's the video
The PF ship "Admiral Tributs" did not allow the US Navy destroyer to violate the Russian state border

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Sith Lord

Here's the video

Admiral Tributs will be more beautiful.

Some American tired

[Lord of the Sith]

Done right! And recently there was news that 7 cruisers were decommissioned, and 2 aircraft carriers have been waiting for decommissioning for a long time.

[Thrifty]

Well, Tributs had one option - bulk, they walked by password, he could squeeze the Yankees out of our waters.

[I am not a robot]

why make a bulk if you have not entered the territory of Russia

[usr01]

"I run slowly ... but I shoot quickly ..." (c)
"My bullet runs faster than you ..." (c)
They what ??? do not watch their own westerns ??? Ignorant!

[knn54]

They are usually "measured" in the bathhouse.

[donavi49]

Tribune versus Berk has only imaginary rockets for today. And in the modernization it is the last in line, because right in front of Shaposhnikov (the lead ship of the modernized series, which has unimaginable missiles) underwent a medium repair.

Well, the Trumpet will even cut the Phalangs into parts, not to mention the fact that this is already a high-altitude target with gigantic visibility and subsonic non-maneuvering with a large minimum on launch.

[Petio]

Better to beat at a small distance from the air defense system.

[poquello]

Quote: donavi49

Well, the Trumpet will even cut the Phalangs into parts,

)))))))))))) with such an approach, an eagle-burke type can is easily cut into pieces by artillery systems

[donavi49]

Well Burke has a good gun too.


And he can bang his 50-60 loaded BOD standards until the radar is destroyed.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: donavi49

And he can bang

The trouble is the trouble ...

[Serg koma]

Quote: donavi49

Well Burke has a good gun too.

And he can bang his 50-60 loaded BOD standards

Our "answer to Chamberlain"

AK-100 project 1155 (video of the BPK "Vice-Admiral Kulakov")

[donavi49]

The Americans have 5 inches nevertheless, and the 1155 has two four-inches. The difference in rate of fire is 20% in favor of 4 inches. However, here it will be more likely to be discussed in the initiator. Whoever starts shooting will win at the current performance. For example, you can take aim at the AU-bridge-canvases, act out the alarm and then immediately turn the towers and open fire, destroying the 127 mm gun with the first shots, the bridge and the radar station with the second. Berk can do the same.

[Serg koma]

Quote: donavi49

The difference in rate of fire is 20% in favor of 4 inches

Well, if you measure up by "inches" (all things being equal, such as the speed of decision making, speed of application, hitting accuracy, etc.) - two hundred more than one 5 "

[Titus_2]

And the casings do not fly apart and the rate of fire is higher.

[Shket53]

I've also noticed ... ours, unlike the Yankes, are not scattered with non-ferrous metal ... and they have spent cartridges falling overboard

[Albert1988]

Quote: donavi49

And he can bang his 50-60 loaded BOD standards until the radar is destroyed.

From this distance, Tributs has a clear advantage - he has 2 barrels against Burke's one ...

[Clone]

Quote: donavi49

Well Burke has a good gun too.


And he can bang his 50-60 loaded BOD standards until the radar is destroyed.

It’s not even funny, they used to measure up with art.

[Petio]

A ZrK Dagger is a naval version of the Thor. They can shoot at ships, moreover, bistro if necessary. After all, his predecessor Osa AKM successfully banged a Georgian ship in 2008.

[Momento]

it seems like there was an analysis with proof that all the anti-aircraft missiles missed?

[Pensive Lawyer]

Think you won't hit close range when the target siduet is 1/2 view?

[poquello]

Quote: Momento

it seems like there was an analysis with proof that all the anti-aircraft missiles missed?

I hear for the first time, it's true that they were also the first to be hit with anti-aircraft guns), and so the rank of the Navy clearly explained that their boats did not stupidly reach their range of destruction, because our ship had a higher range, one covered the rest (maybe the rest) I don't remember) turned around

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: poquello

I hear for the first time, it's true that they were also the first to be beaten with anti-aircraft guns), and so the rank of the Navy clearly explained that their boats did not stupidly reach their range of destruction because our ship had a higher range,

[Subtext]

Admiral Arlie Burke was nicknamed "Admiral 31 knots" for his style of the OBD during WWII.

[Mista_dj]

What rocket? For trespassing?
Are you serious?

[Momento]

nuclear of course. others don't shoot here)

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Ravik

, and a rocket from it easily!

it has no anti-ship missiles
For "Trumpet" you need to lag behind by 10 km

[venik]

Quote: Ravik

Admiral Tributs may not catch up, but the rocket from him is easy!

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Yes, "Trumpet (PLRK / SCRC, installed on the" Tributsa ") - it is like that ..... Speed ​​- more than 1000 km / h, and even attacks surface targets in combination (and a missile and a torpedo) .....

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Ravik

Admiral Tributs may not catch up, but the rocket from him is easy!

I would like to note, nevertheless, that we are not talking about an open military conflict - where there really is "who will win" and "until the victorious" (otherwise there would be something more serious against the violator). It's about military diplomatic operation -- "persistently squeeze out", but at the same time without entering into open conflict.

Moreover, the "Chafi" itself, in spite of its slightly smaller size, is also quite a "toothy" target, capable of standing up for itself (it will not overwhelm it, but it will be able to inflict a fair amount of damage, up to critical). Comparative characteristics of both vessels:
Admiral Tribuc: https://www.korabli.eu/galleries/oboi/voennye-korabli/admiral-tribuc
USS "Chafee": https://www.korabli.eu/galleries/oboi/voennye-korabli/chafee

So what now, because of these two ships, to start a war? What the hell are "rockets" ??? And which missiles from which side can be launched next, after your proposed "solution" so small incident ??? At this point, the devil himself does not know ...

PS
I look, many here are already really impatient to seriously lift up with the Yankees and fight with them, "their hands are itching." Few people think about the consequences (or they just hope to sit out in warm houses with cats, watch everything only on TV). This is all stupid, guys, just extremely stupid. And it is also very sad because all this empty bravado is so short-sighted, because the biggest pi-ts always begin with such "bravurrrrrrrrrrh speeches" ...

[pylon101]

A very reasonable point.
Our media is now generally in style before the Russian-Japanese war.
I read the newspapers of that time. Just like today.
Well you are talking about "sitting out in warm houses with cats, watching everything only on TV."

[Vasyok]

a rocket from him easily!

After that, Putin will declare: he (BOD) drowned ...

[Old Skeptic]

No. Just listen attentively to this formula of American superiority:
"Not gonna get us".
I mean, "We're too good at running away."

How lovely.
What else can be discussed here?
Total superiority.

What rockets? What guns?
!LEGS!

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Old Skeptic

I mean, "We're too good at running away."

Speed ​​(including the speed of the engines themselves, as well as their size and reaction speed) is a huge plus to "dodging", that is, to the speed of maneuvering the vessel. And this quality in a real battle is actually extremely difficult to "overestimate", where the score is often real for seconds. If you are already here, on the VO website - take the trouble to learn at least this [extremely general] theory, please ...

[Reserve buildbat]

Suppose the Chafee starts accelerating from 29 knots to 32. The Tributs reaches 29,5, which is the maximum. The distance between the ships was initially 60 meters. "Chafi" will instantly accelerate and come off or have time to catch a "splash" all over the board?

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Stroibat stock

The distance between the ships was initially 60 meters.

But you already have a very loose "assumption" here. After all, neither "Chafi" nor "Tributs" will simply not allow anyone to come so close to them. Yes, and among the crews of the enemy, there are also clearly few suicides.

At longer distances, the Yankees will come off, if not “light”, then “almost without difficulty” for sure. Well, plus more that very high-speed maneuvering.

In general, "Chafi" (and others like him, from any country) - in fact, that still "pain in the ass" for a large fleet. In my opinion - in such conditions, either completely re-equip the "big ones" (yes, with weapons, but above all with protection), or even abandon them altogether ...

[Old Skeptic]

Dear. How's your sense of humor?
Do you think that nobody here knows what speed is, and why is it needed?

[Citizen simple (almost)]

With a sense of humor, everything is just fine.

I just assume that some of the characters here are either actually overly serious (and stupid), or even more banal - trying to "cut points" for themselves simply on "popular" topics. And, of course, I don't like both options at all.

I just said it as it is, I was certainly honest with you.

[Old Skeptic]

Dear, if you look at the statistics in May, you will see that about the points, this is not for me.
And the argument, in the style: "I will run away from the bullet." Quite amusing.
In the case of a "big nix" you can't run away from a rocket.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Excuse me, but I didn’t write about you at all - I just expressed my own general observations of certain "main categories" of characters here, nothing more.

And on the question itself ...
Of course, "you can't run away from a bullet." However, with sufficient maneuverability, you can at least minimize damage - and that is already an enormous benefit.
After all, it's one thing when a direct hit (and even a critical part) is a completely different thing when it just "exploded somewhere near the side." This is just what we are talking about - specifically speaking about the importance of the ship's maneuverability ..

UPD:
In general, after all, in fact, the ship has only two methods of reliable protection - either a very powerful and rather "smart" onboard fire system, or active maneuvering (well, or a combination of them, but this is "not quite that, it does not count")) ...

[mvg]

What rocket? He (BOD Tributs) has nothing. If only to shoot from the air defense system. We have only one 1155 added anti-ship missiles X-35 and Caliber.
But the uryapatriots "plusikoff" set up .... probably they collected from all the sofas

[Jacket in stock]

in the presence of weapons and other ships of the Pacific Fleet,

Well....
The presence of weapons is a separate issue.
But about other ships, the question is interesting. Are there really our ships there? And they can really catch up / get around the American?

[Graz]

you've already been told. that would open fire on America

[Momento]

he will answer. do you doubt? in general, bulk is the only way in such miniconflicts.

[Murmur 55]

A jacket , and about the warning and fire to kill you heard? Or do you only count boarding ??? Well, yes, everything is bad with us.

[I am not a robot]

BOD Tributs is not a ship or something (they have the same speed)

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Jacket in stock

But about other ships, the question is interesting.

Here is another interesting question - what for do they generally climb into our ter. waters in order to then skip at a speed of 32 knots and boast that they could not catch up?
If in Washington and the State Department everyone fell into senility, then in the Pentagon they fell into childhood along the way, which is not good and is very dangerous for "world peace."

[blackberry]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Here is another interesting question - what for do they generally climb into our ter. waters in order to then skip at a speed of 32 knots and boast that they could not catch up?

Rather, check the reaction, find out how much we can endure and not interfere

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Nyrobsky

what for they generally climb into our ter. waters

The question is, of course, interesting ... (c) - SEE IN THE BORN!

The thing is that the United States, putting on the guise of "defenders of all mankind" on its insolent face, is fighting completely against the hegemonism of Russia and the PRC in those parts of the world where the amers, by and large, have nothing to do ... But the situation is m- n the policeman, as they say, obliges.
The USSR (!) Declared the Gulf of Peter the Great as our HISTORICAL internal waters, following the established tradition. And none of the neighbors THEN objected. But this legal status of the water area is not enshrined in any international legal document. The USSR died in the Bose, the Russian Federation is not the USSR, although it is its successor. Therefore, the hegemon, not seeing a worthy enemy (the states consider Russia a regional power, and not SUPERPOWER, as it was with the USSR) regularly provokes an incident with a FREE passage of warships through the waters of the Gulf. And this would be possible if they raised the Russian flag on the topmast and, without engaging in other military activities, (they then raised a signal - limited in freedom of maneuvering - they were preparing to raise a helicopter (!) - which is strictly prohibited with free passage) proceeded from point A to point B ... But they bend their line: these are the waters of the OPEN sea with the freedom of navigation of all vessels, including warships.
Earlier, in November 2020, a similar trick was performed by the J. McCain EM, which was escorted by the Vinogradov aircraft. Now this provocation has been instructed to carry out the USS Chafee EM, which was shortened by the Tributs BOD. And this is traditionally repeated at least once a year. As the Yankees say: - "Nothing personal - just BUSINESS.
AHA.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But this legal status of the water area is not enshrined in any international legal document.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

But they bend their own line: these are the waters of the OPEN sea with freedom of navigation for all ships, including warships.

So who's to blame?
Anyone who for 30 (okay, 20) years has not bothered with the legal registration of such an important water area? Or the one who took advantage of this international ... oversight of the former?

That is, de facto (and in some ways even de jure) - BOTH ships were in these waters completely legally. Only the first according to "historical law", and the second according to "international law". And each was "right" in its own way, right?

In general, it is understandable, of course, that both sides there are "good", like those two rams on the bridge - but who is more right, in your opinion?

PS In general, of course, such a gigantic focus on the western part of the country is not very clear - and almost complete indifference to the slightly less important eastern territories.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Citizen is simple (almost)

who is more right

Law national law. And Russia's neighbors admit that he is right. The Ams are trying to establish the priority of the law over the national one. (Globalization according to the laws of TNCs and gentlemen from the Bilderberg Club!) This is what they got into EBNYu in 93 when writing our own Constitution. Thank the Almighty for accepting the amendments. Poland, too, faced with the EU's gender bacchanalia, in court established the supremacy of its national Constitution over the EU's "rules". I think this is correct.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Law national law.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

I think this is correct.

But isn't international law, among other things, called upon to clearly regulate international borders? That is, for each country to clearly agree once and for all with the rest of the exact location of its borders (including water ones).

So what is "right" in neglecting this tool in favor of "own vision of borders" (according to national legislation instead of world law, as you indicated) - and thus, willingly or unwillingly, but create a potential threat of border conflicts ???

I seriously don't understand this.
No, it is clear, of course, what exactly is here - just "the right of the strong" and all that jazz. But strength is not eternal. Sooner or later, you will have to negotiate. So is it not better to start the process of agreements now, from the position of the stronger side - and to get rid of this "headache" once and for all?

PS By the way, the same China also has a lot of "historical wishes" for both Siberian and Central Asian lands (and they really owned them, albeit for a relatively short time).
So it turns out, if suddenly (God forbid, pah-pah-pah) the Chinese get excited and prescribe in their "national legislation" the right to consider these lands supposedly "theirs", and climb on them with their whole horde - then, in your opinion, this will also be "right" ??? Is it?
You see, what a precedent "with potential" is.

[Momento]

as it were, according to the sea convention of the tervoda, it is 12 miles. but there are many exceptions that are not very well recognized.
in general, the story is this: if the waters are recognized as territorial, then they are territorial) if not, then you need proof. they are such passages

[Mista_dj]

It's clear why they climb - they spy.
They write acoustic portraits, write the frequencies of the radars, and what a hell of a lot you can do if you rub the skin nearby.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Here is another interesting question - what for they generally climb into our ter. waters

How is "why"? Intelligence after all. Where will they let, how they will react, by what forces, and so on.
From a purely military point of view (that is, without politics at all) is in its own way a very reasonable tactic in order to properly study the defense of the "enemy" (us, in this case), to reveal all its strengths and weaknesses. Well, at least just "just in case."

It is a pity that we do not have ships of the same class - to carry out the same "check for nix" already on their shores ...

PS
Much the same goes for the Air Force, by the way.

[Siberian 66]

... the Russian BMD "Admiral Tributs" "simply would not have caught up with the destroyer USS Chafee if it had been about attempts to physically obstruct the course."
Why should amers be like one of the authors of the VO, who knows only how to read advertising brochures with the performance characteristics of military equipment. The main thing is still the real technical condition of the ships, their maintenance, modernization and crew training. So the paper and the sea are two more differences .... And you can get impudent from the machine to the catch-up. Singles. To hurt. But it doesn't hurt.

[Andrey1966]

Quote: Ravik

Admiral Tributs may not catch up, but the rocket from him is easy!

"I run fast, and the bullet is faster,
That's why she is a bullet. "©

[Dikson]

The last sentence just killed.)) And why, given the presence of weapons, and even more so "other ships of the Pacific Fleet" in general, then "Admiral Tributs" had to chase after an American ?! So, to spit at each other from the bridge that roofing felts? They couldn't keep up with the Englishman just now, so at least they shot in the air far astern ...

[Murmur 55]

The world practice of approach and demonstration, in combat aviation, a similar (similar) approach and demonstration of pylons with weapons are also used.

[tralflot1832]

How long is Chaffee at sea, after docking. Sir forgot about shells in the article. Yes, and why should Tributsu catch up with Chaffee. If there was superiority of artillery, an onboard salvo, if that. From 60 meters, and Kevlar would not have helped. The Pentagon, briefly said. Violations did not. The actions from both sides are highly professional. Well, it did not work, they were even afraid to lift the helicopter!

[Andrey Chizhevsky]

Even Psaki? Why should she be dissatisfied? She even says what she herself does not understand what she is saying!

[krops777]

On this basis, the United States, commenting on the case with the ships in the Sea of ​​Japan, stated that the Russian BOD "Admiral Tributs" "simply would not have caught up with the destroyer USS Chafee if it had been about attempts to physically obstruct the course."

At least a strange logic, we are talking about a violation of the state border and they will not catch us.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: krops777

we are talking about violating the state border and they will not catch up with us.

Chaffee-ku was given a task: to designate the rejection of the US status of the Gulf of PETER THE GREAT as the historical territorial waters of Russia. He completed this task, without risking the crew: he stirred up the guano at the bottom of the glass from which they constantly drink in this water area. What else do they want? So they turned away from sinning: the Tributs bpc is not a Vietnamese junk in the Gulf of Tonkin, he can knock out his teeth and let it go to the bottom ...
AHA.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

the status of the Gulf of PETER THE GREAT as historical territorial waters of Russia.

Yeah ...
And also our Northern Sea Route (SPM) is defined by the legislation of the Russian Federation as “historically established national unified transport communication of Russia in the Arctic ”.
But international law in both cases says something quite different.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Bez 310

But international law in both cases says something quite different.

Well, yes, yes ...
Only this is an exception to the rule. A HISTORICALLY FORMED TRADITION ... There are precedents.
Second, the The Arctic is divided into sectors. And this is internationally recognized. Further. Chilingarov and K * established that the underwater shelf is a continuation of the Lomonosov Ridge. And Mr. the community has swallowed it, this is a scientifically proven fact. Hence the Russian priority.
Next. The NSR is the national sea route in the TERRITORIAL waters of Russia. If the Yankees are so "correct" then the flag is in their hands and a drum around their neck on the PACK ice of the SLO to navigate at least all year round! But they have 2 diesel-electric icebreakers, one of which is broken, and the other is out of service ... SADNESS, however.
Third, if it comes to "hot" (if the Yankees do not fall into the salad during a drunkenness!) then we will still be able to defend our sovereign right to the NSR and the waters of the Gulf of PETER THE GREAT. this is still not the Gulf of Mexico near the hegemon ...
But.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

The NSR is the national sea route in the TERRITORIAL waters of Russia.

The NSR is open for navigation by ships of all countries, and we have no right to prohibit this navigation.
There was a precedent - the French naval support ship "Rhone" passed the Northern Sea Route from west to east.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Bez 310

The NSR is open for navigation to ships of all countries,

And so what? (In 1991, the Northern Sea Route was opened for international shipping.) And in 2019, a NOTIFICATION (45 days in advance) procedure for passage along the NSR was introduced.
The mode is the same as under the Crimean bridge. So what's next?

[Bez 310]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

And in 2019, a NOTIFICATION (45 days in advance) procedure for passage along the NSR was introduced.

This "order" was introduced by us, and no one but us
not interesting.
In general, SMP is general, and our best legal minds
are fighting to make it ours.
The story is similar in the Peter the Great Hall - we consider this
the bay is an "inland sea", and the United States does not agree with us.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Bez 310

This "order" was introduced by us, and no one but us is interested.

Well, so let this "NOBODY" (military, and not an unarmed submarine escort vessel, like RONA, albeit a subsidiary of the French fleet) will try to poke into the NSR without first notifying the administration of the Northern Sea Route ... Let's see what comes of it ...

[Bez 310]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Let's see what comes out of it ...

This argument is meaningless.
According to international law, any ship
has the right of passage along the NSR. And what will they do
our authorities, we do not know. Likely like
usually - "wipe out", as they did after
how our planes and a helicopter were shot down.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Bez 310

our planes and a helicopter were shot down.

This is certainly sad ... BUT! Aircraft, unlike sea ones, do not possess signs of extraterritoriality and the sovereign right of the territory of the flag under which they fly. This is where everything comes from in the MNMP ...
So, even the States will hardly dare to such a violation.

[Shket53]

You forgot to add ... accompanied by our icebreaker ... by the way, the French Ministry of War asked about this ... and so yes ... passed very proudly, and even it did not have to be cut out of the ice like a Yankes submarine (though this is already different history )

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Bez 310

international law

International law? I believe that international law extends to the extent to which Russia's ability to defend its right by force extends. I think that Russia will be able to protect the NSR and the Gulf of Peter the Great. In which case.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I believe that international law extends to those limits

You can count whatever you please
and think about anything. Will Russia be able to protect something?
Perhaps ... But does "Russia" have enough political
will and determination to do it? Not sure...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Bez 310

Will Russia be able to protect something?
Maybe...

Those. Do you dispute that Russia has the ability to use force to defend its right to the NSR and the Gulf? - Do not dispute. OK.

Quote: Bez 310

But does "Russia" have enough political
will and determination to do it? Not sure...

Those. Do you think that in the event that a warship appears under a striped flag on the NSR or in the gulf and refuses to retreat, Russia will silently wipe out? But this is a precedent! It could only get worse further. Even in the absence of "political will and determination," this will not be allowed. I think mattress toppers are smarter, so they don’t stick far into the bay and “didn’t step on the NSR”. understand that this venture can end very badly.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Do you think that if a warship appears under a striped flag on the NSR ... and it refuses to retreat, Russia will silently wipe itself out?

Yes, I believe that this is how it will be.
Well ..., not silently, everything will be as usual - they will express concern,
remember the historical belonging of the NSR, try
create a buzz in the world media, but everything will end in "zilch", because
international law is on the side of those who consider the NSR common.
Let's stop this useless conversation.

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Bez 310

You can count whatever you please
and think about anything.

I like your sober train of thought. Perhaps more yes than no (+) ....

[Bez 310]

Quote: Vl Nemchinov

sober train of thought

Life has taught us to assess the situation soberly,
understand the task, correctly assess their
the strength and strength of the enemy, and accept those
solutions that come from the above,
and not from slogans and newspaper editorials.
To my great regret, Russia, in the military
plan, now practically nothing can, except
how to drive Basmachs across the desert and "bomb Voronezh".

[Mista_dj]

There they chew on the topic of "bulk" with might and main.
Words are taken out of context.
To make a bulk, you need to physically catch up, but this, just at Tributs, would not have been able to do it. Chaffee is just faster. Nobody seriously considered the question of what would have happened. The Pacific Fleet would have remained without a BOD ...

[skipper83]

It's all about the report of the 12 mile zone in the Peter the Great Bay area. the Americans do not recognize our act and do not consider it an internal bay, accounting 12 miles from the coast, and not from the line connecting the extreme points of the bay. They carry out this action every six months to remind them of their position.
That's what the pike is for, so that the carp does not doze. Training for our warlords.

[tralflot1832]

Thank you for the clarification, so this is what Petrovich is? Then I see what he was smeared with like honey. Something between Rybachy Peninsula and Kildin was not checked in my memory. Only the nuclear submarine with varying success.

[skipper83]

Another thing is interesting, the PSKR "fought" near the Crimea, and here the Navy ships always send us off. Although the situations are basically the same

[donavi49]

Under the Crimea, the shoulder is small. It's no use sending even a firefly there to chase Chaffee. I already keep silent that the sea is harsh and even the Firefly will not be forced to defend the border, but to fight for survivability, although at the time of the exit it was quiet. Therefore, usually there they immediately send a BNK of the 1st rank.

[Bez 310]

Quote: shkiper83

Americans do not recognize our act

And what does international law say about this?

[skipper83]

One must read this right. I am not competent in this matter. The Chinese have a similar bay - Bohai. They also consider it their inner bay.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: shkiper83

scoring 12 miles from the coast, not from the line connecting the extremes of the bay

Well, actually, the whole world is considered to be the territorial waters of a coastal country - a distance of about 12 miles specifically from the coastline
Everything that follows is just an exclusive economic zone. And this is all without bays at all (unless they are very narrow, long, of course). Including, by the way, these rules directly apply even to the United States itself ...

Therefore, no one in the world connects "for himself" any "extreme points" of the outer seas and bays at all - it is not so easy according to the law of the sea, everything is counted only from the coast (unless the sea itself is not internal, of course).

Emotionless, strictly on the facts.
Therefore, why the hell ours suddenly began to play in some kind of "own borders", contrary to all international laws - I do not understand at all.
Unless they want to run into new sanctions as a "specialist" - the old ones are already outdated, there is nothing to frighten the poor naive grandmothers on TV with ...

[skipper83]

For example, the Chinese Bohai Bay.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: shkiper83

For example, the Chinese Bohai Bay.

For what "example", excuse me?

After all, I clearly wrote above that the bay can be "completely closed" only in the case of its geographical features. Therefore, BOTH (!) Gulfs are closed unauthorized.

PS
It's just that they are less afraid to meddle with the Chinese - that's the whole difference between these bays (well, not counting the eightfold difference in the waters of both bays). But according to the law, BOTH (!) Must be open for free navigation.

[skipper83]

If my memory serves me, the Peter the Great Bay was declared closed after many air provocations by the American Air Force before and during the Korean War. The time of approach to Vladivostok was too fast. After several incidents and interceptions, we decided to move the border more seaward in order to have more time and space to intercept. The times were harsh then, the smell of gunpowder was very strong, so they did not stand on ceremony.
I do not pretend to be true.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: shkiper83

The times were harsh then, the smell of gunpowder was very strong, so they did not stand on ceremony.

Probably.

But we're talking about international rules now. for peaceful conditionsnot about forced decisions in truly "force majeure" circumstances (such as large-scale hostilities taking place nearby and large concentrations of enemy forces, as in your example with the Korean War) ...

In general, I think that until the bay is officially opened in accordance with these very international laws, the Yankees will keep poking in there every now and then, it's already simple "out of spite and on principle".
That they even lose "some kind of destroyer" - when in exchange for this ship they will be able to get their hands on the international community the most powerful trump card as "Russian attack on a ship in neutral waters"?
In my opinion, you have to be smarter here. Doing what the enemy certainly does not expect from you.

PS
Moreover, they still will not dare to openly attack Russia (as we do, by the way). They're not suicides either ...

[skipper83]

If we do as you propose, then it will be a precedent that borders can be changed, and there have been enough of them in the post-Soviet period.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

As I suggest - never "change" after all! Just something to bring in line with international standards. So that even the slightest attempts of "assaults" and other "reproaches" have disappeared ...

Well, just objectively - we are far from now in a position to openly “bullshit”. Time wait out and gain strength. Well just in fact, agree?
Otherwise, in almost every real clash with a really strong enemy, there will inevitably and objectively be a collapse after a collapse (no matter what stupid "hurray-patriots" shrieked there). Do we need it?

[skipper83]

Your opinion is understandable, but I do not agree with it. Do not be ill.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Well, well ... In that case, on my part, I will respond with a sincere wish for good health. And the country, of course, still wants to accumulate the necessary forces ...

[Vasyan1971]

the Russian BOD "Admiral Tributs" "simply would not have caught up with the destroyer USS Chafee if it had been about attempts to physically obstruct the course."

Funny ... Is this a race?

[Furious bambr]

Well, they would play "Catch Me, Brick")))

[rotmistr60]

"sailed in" international waters "

But for some reason, from time to time, these "international waters" will directly nestle on the sea border of Russia. What are they trying to achieve with systematic provocations? If there is really a serious conflict at sea, then the Americans have completely lost their instinct for self-preservation.

[poquello]

Quote: mss

that's why the Russians piss there to use weapons

Well, why don't they swim to repeat anymore? Even the insane heroes of NATO are all in dashes and grips?

[Dave36]

Well, the Americans are doing this for the sake of games ... knowing that we can only play in bulk) We must let them enter our waters and work on the offender ... but I personally would not want such a scenario .. As they say - the darlings scold, only amuse themselves ...

[rusich]

Why should Tributsu catch up with the American. We walked in parallel courses, a distance of 60 meters. A little steering wheel to the side and there is no amerikos

[Andy]

So after all, and then ours is not. The problem is that amers have a lot of them, but we have rank 1 ships on the fingers of one hand.

[Andy]

And what about bombs? They would have allowed them to enter the tervods and discharged them at the target.

[Onischukalex]

Bastards tease ... and so mock Japan

[Max PV]

On this basis, the United States, commenting on the case with the ships in the Sea of ​​Japan, stated that the Russian BOD "Admiral Tributs" "simply would not have caught up with the destroyer USS Chafee if it had been about attempts to physically obstruct the course."

Interestingly, what kind of mamma naval commander commented on this? The maximum speed of the ship is generally that spherical horse in a vacuum. It is, firstly, design, advertising, official, based on tests on a measured mile. I think there is no need to explain the difference. Secondly, in specific conditions, it depends on the loading of the ship, sea roughness, the current technical condition of the mechanisms, the hull overgrowth and the current fuel reserves applicable to the route. In the latter case, it means that "having given gas" there may not be enough fuel to reach the base, or it will be necessary to refuel at sea from a tanker, since fuel consumption with increasing speed increases in proportion to the cube of its growth. Finally, the convergence of ships at sea is not a race in a straight line with burnt tires and girls with flags, but movement usually on intersecting courses, often along a complex trajectory, and even with different initial speeds, which the ship does not pick up instantly, but in minutes or even tens of minutes. And maneuvers, it's not a car to turn, also take a lot of time.

[poquello]

Quote: Max PV

movement usually on overlapping courses, often along a complex trajectory

geometry is unknown to popuas, and "cathetus" is probably for them the word is obscene

[Voenmeh]

Why catch up ??? You need to drown

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Voenmeh

Why catch up ??? You need to drown

Why catch up? - To keep warm !!!
You are right, in order to get warm, you need to start drowning.
This is how the heating season began at 15.10. And you!?

[Sergey39]

Now the main thing is not the speed of the ship, but the speed and accuracy of the rocket!

[Evgenii Xolod]

Exercises, combat shooting ..... Curiously, the signature of this trough and the signature of the target on the radar are similar ????

[razved]

The release states that the instruction by the Russian side to attempt to violate Russian sea borders "is not true." It is stated that the American destroyer was sailing in "international waters" - "where it does not contradict international law."

They have long disputed the status of the Peter the Great Bay ...

[Roman Malakhov]

The X-35U will catch up ...

[Bez 310]

"Shaw, again?"
Again, our ship could have done something heroic, but didn't?
Was someone pushed out of international waters again? What for?
Again, they did not violate the state border, although no one violated it.
How tired of these feats ...
And where is the maneuvering scheme indicating the tervod in our opinion and
according to international law? What is the difference?
And why didn't they bomb Voronezh?

[Michael M.]

It was necessary to wait until it went deeper, to warn, and then to drown, in order to discourage the desire to arrange provocations forever.
No one will declare war on anyone on this matter, because it is fraught, but everyone wants to live.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Mikhail M.

No one will declare war on anyone on this matter, because it is fraught, but everyone wants to live.

And no one is going to start a war (seriously, at least). Without a war, they have a complete set of methods to finally squeeze our "rulers" (or the ruling elite, at least). And from whom will they then suck losses? That's right - from you and me.

Therefore, I would obviously (and strongly!) Moderate this your youthful-enthusiastic "urya-patriotism" (the sense of "friend or foe" is now playing in you completely falsely and in a street way). It's not time yet, we are not in that world position yet. The period is at least temporarily "like-friends", and not to fight. It's time to understand this obvious fact ...
Not to mention other matters ...

[kventinasd]

Russian BOD "Admiral Tributs" would not have caught up with the destroyer USS Chafee

Well, somehow the Taliban were also not going to catch up with the dragging Americans and their allies, but simply kicked them out with shame, to which they are no longer used to.

[mmaxx]

Some of the soldiers gathered. Sofa)))))

[Cipollino]

How many nodes the BOD gives out - only the captain of the BOD knows. Point.

[SPQR]

Found something to be proud of ...
Not gonna get us! Shame ...

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: Jacket in stock

But about other ships, the question is interesting.

Here is another interesting question - what for do they generally climb into our ter. waters in order to then skip at a speed of 32 knots and boast that they could not catch up?
If in Washington and the State Department everyone fell into senility, then in the Pentagon they fell into childhood along the way, which is not good and is very dangerous for "world peace."

Dmitry, and they skate at a speed of 32 knots, right?

[p0pulivox]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Bez 310

our planes and a helicopter were shot down.

This is certainly sad ... BUT! Aircraft, unlike sea ones, do not possess signs of extraterritoriality and the sovereign right of the territory of the flag under which they fly. This is where everything comes from in the MNMP ...
So, even the States will hardly dare to such a violation.

Enlighten, m. I do not know , but I heard that warships (sea and air) are still considered the territory of their state ...

[geologist]

I like to watch videos of the ColdWaters EpicMod212 sea simulator where Sarich repels an Arleigh Burke missile attack. There is also a video where the BOD uses a "Trumpet" against a boat, sets up a REP, shoots down helicopters, and then destroys an American URO cruiser with a salvo of 6 missiles. In a toy, our BOD can hit their destroyer with missiles, repelling its attacks and at first makes a single scavenging, and then fires 4-6 pieces at once and the enemy does not have time to repel a massive attack. Interestingly, in real life they are equivalent, because the "Chaffee" is a ship of the latest generation (DDRx is still in the project) and it is 20 years old, and our BOD "Admiral Tributs" is about 40 years old.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Quote: Ravik

Rocket

Sure sure.
Are we going to make war with America?
I wonder how much the ruble will cost then? 100 for the dollar, 150? Or a whole thousand?

Rather, the dollar will be just a green piece of paper.

[Baron pardus]

But I wonder how the US Navy would behave if a warship of some neutral or hostile country tried to invade our waters. And I'll tell you how - they would sink to Benin's mother and say that it was so. Moreover, they would be accused of being the first to open fire on them (not the first time, see the Gulf of Tonkin - then it went through). Or they have outlived some kind of provocation - ours is also not the first time (see Cruiser "Mein" and "Luisitania").

[Tramp]

I don’t understand that they are not allowed into our zone. Let them come in and drown. What stands on ceremony. And then say they were blown up on a mine.

[sgr291158]

Something Americans are getting dumber and dumber from year to year.

[lelik613]

Why do they run and die tired.

[DrRey]

2 knots, the difference in speed of ships is leveled by the speed of an artillery shell, and even more so by the speed of an anti-ship missile.

[1536]

The Americans probably thought that the Russian ship wanted to board them? Well, don't you watch the Pirates of the Caribbean dinner!

[LeftPers]

I don't understand, there is an order to open fire to kill without the consent of the leadership, and we are all politely escorting, it seems that we are just with. ym p.ndosov. I sincerely hope that this is not so. It is necessary to destroy the violators, then they will not exist.

[Pandiurin]

Usually, if countries are not at war, in relation to warships and aircraft, it is still not applied to open fire to kill.

First, they warn by radio communication, then warning fire. Perhaps this is correct if there is no purpose to unleash a war.

Regarding the warning fire, after the incident with the British near the Crimea, some changes were made expanding the options for how this can be done. Then it turned out that the Briton had the advantage of the move. The warning fire was opened from our ship when it already began to lag behind i.e. not across the course. The bombing, which seems to have happened, was carried out at a great distance (due to the danger of deviation) along the course of movement. The British said they didn't seem to notice it.

Now it is not necessary to fire a warning fire from the ship with an artillery system, for example, a helicopter (plane) can now do this across the offender's course. Moreover, it will be safe (compared to bombing) and very clearly, it is impossible not to notice.

Therefore, there is no need to compete directly with whom there are more nodes, the helicopter is faster in every way.

Here the Americans were turned up, just a warning of the violation on the radio.
They demanded from them and since they turned, it means in fact they recognized
if not the border, then the force that sets this border.

In this case, the United States seemed to have lost face, the point was to start a challenge if, as a result, they merged, i.e. admitted that they were wrong or weak (which is often interpreted equivalently).

Do you really need to sink someone?

[LeftPers]

"..... Do you really need to sink someone? ....."
Americans are a must, they would have done so. As for the goal of unleashing a war, they do not need pretexts, if they could, they would have unleashed a long time ago, i.e. if we drowned their trough, then, accordingly, except for the stench, there would be nothing. But on another occasion they were wary of provocations.
And it's a pity that on this resource you can't see who is minus, the impression is that half of the accounts are from 404 superpowers.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: LeftPers

if they could, they would have untied long ago

No. Even them at least some "weighty reason" is needed. On the same UN, they, of course, have for a long time already "put with the device" in a number of issues - however, even their influence will not be enough for a global confrontation in general for the entire community.

Since the Russian Federation is not some kind of "small country" at all. Here the case already smells of a fried, open nuclear conflict. Which certainly does not even want the hottest heads in the headquarters (neither in ours, nor in those there) ...

Quote: LeftPers

accordingly, apart from the stench, nothing would have happened.

But the hell knows. At least - new sanctions for sure. As a maximum - a bunch of other "unfriendly actions", right up to the war (if suddenly there is enough stupidity). And the Yankees have much more strength and resources for both options FOR YET is clearly many times greater than ours, alas, alas ...

That is why I always say - above all a powerful economy! And only then it is already possible to "butt on equal terms" with almost anyone, even with the supposedly "omnipotent" Yankees.
Let me tell you a secret, a terribly banal thing - a war without an economy is impossible. And a big war without a powerful economy is triple impossible. It is called "suicide"... If you are an adherent of the principle "in peace and death is red" - you can follow it, your personal right... Only here is no need to drag the country into this, please ...

PS
Cons you are given not "for 404", but for overly rash "offers" - completely ignoring them of the consequences for our country.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

Once upon a time, in those distant Soviet times, we stood in Cam Ranh (then the Soviet Navy base in Vietnam) and, as usual, local Vietnamese citizens approached our board to exchange goods. One of our minders made a "cat" to it, fastened a thin steel cable, and then an ordinary, hemp one. In the next approach of Vietnamese citizens on a round junk, he caught them and pulled them over himself and through the bulwark and the passage to the porthole, and I was just walking down the aisle, making a detour. I looked at the end from behind the side into the cabin, moreover, in a taut condition, and no work was done overboard. Of course I looked first overboard, then into the cabin and realized the tragedy of what was happening. The Vietnamese were in a semi-suspended state, holding on to the sides of their junks and did not know whether to cry or shout about salvation, and in the cabin the sailors with the minders were in tension and also did not know from the tension what to do next. In general, I let go of the poor Vietnamese.

I propose to do the following: make an appropriate cat and harpoon a state ship and drag it into your territory, or enter a state ship from international waters and push it into our territory by pounding, at the same time fix your damage, and then shoot it as a violator of the state border, invading without an invitation.

How do you like that?

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Shaikin Vladimir

make an appropriate cat and harpoon a state ship and drag it into your territory or enter a state ship from international waters and push it into our territory by piling, at the same time fix your damage, and then shoot it as a violator of the state border who invaded without an invitation.

Quote: Shaikin Vladimir

How do you like that?

The option is also "not very".
For a long time, all data is sent almost in real time. Therefore, all the "setup" you have started will be revealed very quickly - and there will be a huge showdown scandal.

International problems are not enough for us? You propose to add to them the destruction of the ship, which actually did not break state border ??? And not just a ship - but a ship of one of the world's largest powers ??? Believe me, the joy of such a "victory" will be extremely short-lived ...

[Vladimir SHajkin]

Actually, it was - a joke, kind of humor.
All sailors, I thought, were immediately clear. Even steel towing ropes break like threads when overloaded in waves, despite the fact that both the tug and the towed vessel, the ship go in the same direction, and if in different directions, then no towing rope will ever withstand.
Bulk for the purpose of pushing into their waters is generally a violation of all the rules and regulations of navigation, as well as the protection of the state border, because this is also a shYutk like that.
And I, I won't be like that anymore.

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Shaikin Vladimir

All sailors, I thought, were immediately clear.

Well, excuse me, I'm not a sailor. As, by the way, many here are not sailors. Therefore, for people not privy to "specific" marine humor - your words may really seem ... well ... understandable, in general.
Just a different audience.

The same applies to any other "professional" humor (I can also "joke" a lot of things in my specialty - so much so that none of the "non-colleagues in the profession" will even guess that he is being led by the nose) )). Therefore, I try not to resort somehow ... Well, or at least immediately indicate that this is humor ...

But thanks for the explanations anyway!

[Citizen simple (almost)]

Quote: Citizen is simple (almost)

Quote: Old Skeptic

I mean, "We're too good at running away."

Speed ​​(including the speed of the engines themselves, as well as their size and reaction speed) is a huge plus to "dodging", that is, to the speed of maneuvering the vessel. And this quality in a real battle is actually extremely difficult to "overestimate", where the score is often real for seconds. If you are already here, on the VO website - take the trouble to learn at least this [extremely general] theory, please ...