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Australian senator wondered if a non-nuclear power could possess nuclear submarines

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Why Canberra refused to cooperate with Paris in the joint construction of nuclear submarines is already known. The French rewrote the estimate, in the end almost doubling the price tag, and were greedy with the staff, not allowing Australian hard workers to work. And most importantly, they did not share their nuclear technologies. True, no one canceled the US pressure either. In the case of new AUKUS allies, Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison's cabinet risks facing an even more hurtful déjà vu.


By signing the commitments under the alliance with American and British partners, the Australian ruling elite almost immediately stepped on the Paris rake. When analyzing the upcoming relations, almost the same problems are exposed that threatened the contract with France - only now, in terms of the image and the preservation of the national interests of Australia, a fiasco is ahead of a larger and more humiliating fiasco: the Washington trap has slammed shut, and there is no turning back.

On the eve it became clear that in the Australian government lobbies about the weak negotiating positions of the Australian side was known several months before the announcement of the scandalous break with Paris and the transition of Australia under the auspices of AUKUS. And in the Senate Committee on Naval Shipbuilding, the shortcomings of Australia's economic and scientific potential have been analyzed at all over the past two years - albeit on the sly and behind closed doors. It has surfaced only now at the first public hearing, where the federal government's plans to acquire at least eight nuclear-powered submarines have begun to be discussed.

Senator Rex Patrick has drawn attention to the issue. He tentatively invited the Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency (ARPANSA) and the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organization (ANSTO) to conduct an objective examination. It was necessary to get an idea of ​​what elements of infrastructure and industries would be required for the full-fledged functioning of the "nuclear" project - and what laws would have to be adopted or changed for this.

Some of the responses caused the effect of an exploding bomb. ANSTO admitted that the version of the upcoming deal with Washington and London was known this spring. CEO Sean Jenkinson said the management office has been contacted for several consultations since March. And ARPANSA CEO Karl-Magnus Larsson claims that the contours of the preventive plan were outlined to his agency sometime in late June or early July.

During consultations, Premier Morrison admitted that the government lacks a strategy for creating a national nuclear industry. In any case, it meant a "civilian" nuclear industry, whose specialists could be involved in the project of building Australian submarines. Both the Cabinet of Ministers and the Ministry of Defense considered that nuclear power plants for nuclear submarines (to be purchased either from the United States or from England) would not require special maintenance or refueling. Accordingly, there is no need to spend money on Australia's own science and technology.

Senator Rex Patrick is a former submariner himself. He served at the Royal navy more than 10 years. He started back in 1983 as a volunteer technician on the old Oberons, and before retiring he managed to work in the team of the test crew of the first Collins-class submarine. Patrick knew a lot about the combat capability of his native fleet, and for public "rationalization proposals" to modernize the same submarines, he had long been included in the list of troublemakers.

Now Rex Patrick is making another loud statement that is by no means in favor of the authorities. According to the senator, there is not a single state with nuclear submarines in the world that does not have its own nuclear industry. And the situation in which a partner country assumes the obligations of the managing operator of nuclear submarines without the right to access equipment and technologies is nonsense, it is “beyond understanding”.

He wondered if a non-nuclear power could possess nuclear submarines at all, whether this would violate the nonproliferation treaty.

Thus, the opposition politician solidified himself with the position of the former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, who considered owning a nuclear submarine fleet without its own infrastructure and industry as a risky business according to the "plug and pray" formula, and not according to the "plug and play" rule.

The question of having a modern and fully developed nuclear industry divides Australian society into supporters and opponents. An expert at the Australian Institute for Strategic Policy, Markus Hellyer, does not see an urgent need for the construction of nuclear power plants or uranium enrichment facilities. But at the same time, the participation of Australian specialists in the routine maintenance of the nuclear submarine (including actions directly related to the operation of the reactor) should be taken as something natural and logical. Otherwise, what kind of efficiency can there be in the possession of a nuclear submarine fleet if at any moment the submarine is required to be returned back to the manufacturer?

Australia has one nuclear reactor - in the southern suburb of Sydney, Lucas Heights, a research unit with functionality for nuclear medicine has been installed. In addition, the continent has almost one third of the world's proven uranium reserves, and a separate landfill has a place for a radioactive waste storage facility. However, all this is not a basis for Australia's admission to the club of nuclear powers. And national laws do not yet permit the implementation of a full cycle of application or production of nuclear energy.

Meanwhile, over the next 18 months, Australia, as part of its commitments under AUKUS, must provide an optimal solution for the delivery and reception of nuclear submarines. In the absence of our own experience in handling samples of such a high technological level, it will be necessary to borrow the experience of the United Kingdom and the United States. Trying to "change your mind" and throw yourself into the arms of China, with which former economic ties were so cynically severed, would mean the final loss of face for Australia. And the Celestial Empire is unlikely to reciprocate such changeable Canberra.

It is noteworthy that the details of the uncomfortable situation in which the cabinet of Prime Minister Morrison found itself, are reported by the representatives of the former Australian metropolis - the journalists of the British edition "The Guardian". Either the British have such subtle political humor with the serving of cold dishes, or London wanted to emphasize the humiliating nature of the sovereign drama for other reasons. In the trilateral AUKUS alliance, the British nuclear industry a priori cannot boast of any tempting advantage over the advanced developments of Washington. This means that the former mistress of the seas in Australian waters herself risks remaining in the role of boatswain - under the command of "Captain America".
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 15 October 2021 19: 39
    -23
    ..can a non-nuclear power possess nuclear submarines
    But can a country with an income of the population of African countries claim the title of even a regional power?
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 15 October 2021 19: 47
      -18
      Well, Putin is fighting this !!!!)
    2. knn54
      knn54 15 October 2021 20: 14
      -9
      Under Comrade Xi, who became the head of the PRC in 2013, Beijing's policy became aggressive, striving to control and influence EVERYTHING AT THE MAXIMUM .. That pushed Australia into the arms of its "relatives" Who did not fail to take advantage of this.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 16 October 2021 04: 14
        -1
        Australian senator wondered if a non-nuclear power could possess nuclear submarines
        belay Aren't you bothered early? Here the United States will drag Australia into a zavorushku, then ... and questions, why, why and on what basis. request It looks like the Australians are even cooler than the Estonians. recourse
        Quote: knn54
        Beijing's policy became aggressive, striving to control and influence EVERYTHING AT THE MAXIMUM ..

        fool fool So it is China off the coast of the United States that controls everything, look ... "- and I thought ... - no, he" (Prisoner of the Caucasus)
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 15 October 2021 20: 31
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      But can a country with an income of the population of African countries claim the title of even a regional power?

      Can you not speak in riddles?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 16 October 2021 04: 17
        0
        Quote: Flood
        Can you not speak in riddles?

        He was sketched for the "riddle". fool Probably no one guessed. feel We have a tricky one ... there is always ...
    4. URAL72
      URAL72 15 October 2021 20: 31
      +14
      What's the matter with you, Observer? Someone spoiled the mood? In Russia, unlike African countries, you can find a job, and even a decent salary. Moreover, according to most parameters, Russia is provided with goods of its own production much better than African, and even many European countries. This means that our standard of living is much less tied to the dollar, and therefore it must be measured and compared differently. Well, the shadow economy ... I think it will add 30% to GDP.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 October 2021 20: 59
        -8
        "I think it will add 30% to GDP" ///
        ----
        No matter how you add, Russians live much poorer than Australians.

        And why can't rich Australia buy nuclear powered submarines? - unclear.
        1. URAL72
          URAL72 15 October 2021 21: 06
          +7
          I think that she can buy, but in the article the question is "a little" broader - can she develop nuclear technologies? After all, they do not seem to trust their allies, and therefore they want to have both reactor production technologies and uranium enrichment technologies for the production of fuel elements. And this is a completely different matter ...
          1. Simple
            Simple 15 October 2021 23: 36
            0
            And even without "a little wider" - how the United States famously interrupted the deal with the French * and the subcontractors were firms not only from France.
            An article by an Australian graduate student at the Australian National University in Canberra:
            https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2021/10/14/australias_nuclear-powered_submarines_should_be_built_in_america_798874.html
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 October 2021 21: 16
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And why can't rich Australia buy nuclear powered submarines? - unclear.

          Also, other rich countries, too, then will be able to buy a submarine with a nuclear reactor. Even Nigeria can do it. And then what?
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 15 October 2021 21: 26
            -8
            Also, other rich countries, too, then will be able to buy a submarine with a nuclear reactor. Even Nigeria can do it. And then what?
            You are very "rich" laughing they will ask what to do with their radioactive wealth. bully They are poor ...))))
        3. Observer2014
          Observer2014 15 October 2021 21: 17
          -11
          Russians live much poorer than Australians.
          Yes Yes!. And this must be honestly admitted. Russians live poorer than Australian aborigines. Yes
          If anyone is against comparing the incomes of those and ours. Yes, once or twice. The era of high technologies!
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 15 October 2021 22: 06
            +7
            Quote: Observer2014
            admit Russians live poorer than Australian aborigines

            envy?
            doing the right thing.
            aborigines practically do not work without exception. social allowance, social. grocery cards. not life - raspberries!
            and the reservations are paradise! do what you want!
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 15 October 2021 22: 07
              -10
              aborigines practically do not work without exception. social allowance, social. grocery cards. not life - raspberries!
              You are the Russians! Do you hate them ?! What did the Russians do to you? Why do you hate us so much?
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 15 October 2021 22: 19
                +6
                Quote: Observer2014
                You are the Russians! Do you hate them ?!

                Are you drunk, citizen?
                After all, you wrote above about how well the Australian aborigines live.
                So you are jealous.
                Regardless of whether you are a Russian or not.
                And I wrote to you personally. About you personally.
                Quote: Observer2014
                That you hate us so much

                are you adequate
                poke me
                write about yourself in the plural
                Quote: Observer2014
                We won the Second World War?

                The USSR won the Great Patriotic War.
                and where did you win, I'm not interested
              2. Flooding
                Flooding 15 October 2021 22: 35
                +3
                Quote: Observer2014
                You are the Russians!

                well drunk
                disgrace
                1. Observer2014
                  Observer2014 15 October 2021 22: 52
                  -11
                  Well, how to take him seriously? You still sculpt his likes. laughing
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 15 October 2021 22: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: Observer2014
                    Well, how to take it seriously?

                    don't take it better if it was written by you seriously
                  2. Flooding
                    Flooding 15 October 2021 23: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Observer2014
                    You still sculpt his likes.

                    I was already envious of the sick
                    don't cry, now I will give you likes too
                    PS
                    did. for each of your dislikes - my like.
                    satisfied?
                2. Dangerous
                  Dangerous 15 October 2021 22: 57
                  +8
                  In general, it is not clear why in an article about submarines, Australia and the United States to write about the income and GDP of Russia?
            2. 76SSSR
              76SSSR 16 October 2021 01: 15
              +1
              Quote: Flood
              envy?

              To envy…
              I want to envy Australia
              I suddenly want to invent a song,
              The whole world is overshadowed by that song.
              Make up,
              To envy Australia
              Almost do not believe and envy,
              What they have! And I have?..
          2. Igor Aviator
            Igor Aviator 15 October 2021 23: 34
            +3
            Quote: Observer2014
            Russians live poorer than Australian aborigines. yes
            If anyone is against comparing the incomes of those and ours. Yes, once or twice. The era of high technologies!

            Feels the deceitful seed! And if you take into account the MANDATORY costs, prices for goods and services, taking into account PPP - purchasing power parity?
            And the overwhelming majority of Russian citizens live approximately. like me - owns (!!!) housing, pays (for utilities) no more (!!) 15 percent of income (salary, or whatever) but has free honey. insurance and the UNAUTHORIZED (even for a Yankee or a mean European, without speaking already about an Australo-native, medical care. Russia is cheaper than in Europe, and their quality is incomparably higher! From taxes - I have to pay - 2300 rubles (per year!) - for real estate, and 2900 for (per year (!!) - for a car. And that's it! In total, taking into account cheaper and better quality food, the remaining amount from my salary allows me to live absolutely without thinking about the balance of money on my salary card, if I need to buy something, I buy it without thinking. and Svidomo vyrusi and non-Russians - +24 +26 degrees Celsius.
            Anticipating your provocative question “why don’t they return to Russia - I will answer - it’s unrealistic to break away from a familiar place, if you have already reached, all the more, at the cost of great efforts, a good level. Especially if in a new place everything will have to start from scratch.
            1. Observer2014
              Observer2014 16 October 2021 00: 15
              -13
              Feels the deceitful seed!
              How do you feel? bully Or tell the truth what you feel feel
            2. Revival
              Revival 16 October 2021 03: 49
              -6
              "pays (for utilities) no more (!!) 15 percent of income (salary, or whatever)."

              Where do you live!?

              My mother (Astrakhan) has a pension of 12540 rubles. (your "or whatever"), it is with a medal for labor, communal apartment about 5960r.

              fifteen%!!!??

              2) "and 2900 for (per year (!!) - for a car."

              Do you ride a scooter !?

              As I understand it, Troll.
          3. poquello
            poquello 16 October 2021 00: 20
            +3
            Quote: Observer2014
            If anyone is against comparing the incomes of those and ours. Yes, once or twice. The era of high technologies!

            and a free Internet, don't try, get big incomes so that they can be solemnly drained back, this does not "live" but only income
          4. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 October 2021 11: 10
            -1
            Quote: Observer2014
            .Russians live poorer than Australian aborigines.
            If anyone is against comparing the incomes of those and ours

            No, the natives of Australia live poorly, as well as the American Indians on the reservations, in contrast to the "tourists from Europe" who forgot to return home from a tour.
        4. poquello
          poquello 15 October 2021 23: 27
          +3
          Quote: voyaka uh
          No matter how you add, Russians live much poorer than Australians.

          I was not interested in how Jews live), well, except how one colleague here bought a bicycle there for the price of a car here)))))))) .. and for some reason he runs for health), so getting an idea of ​​where they live is not difficult , we just take our memoirs there, not propaganda - just memories, and everything is clear in general terms. It is not clear about "poorer", but with your "much poorer" you would go to the wailing wall, and take the rest of those who like to write a blizzard about the sweet life "there" with you. The general impression is the same garbage as here and in Europe, plus or minus, salaries of about 4 rubles in rubles are safely eaten by taxes, housing, medicine and other not cheap everyday life, there is no free wifi, the connection is expensive, the price tag for food and used cars comparable to ours.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 16 October 2021 00: 24
            +7
            A Jew in Israel never admits that a Jew in Russia lives better than him. Why did they emigrate then, or fled from the USSR and Russia. hi
            1. poquello
              poquello 16 October 2021 00: 31
              +3
              Quote: tralflot1832
              A Jew in Israel never admits that a Jew in Russia lives better than him. Why did they emigrate then, or fled from the USSR and Russia. hi

              well, extreme in Israel is definitely more), maybe they didn’t have enough adrenaline, but what is interesting - even today, the people from Israel quickly dump and settle somewhere in Europe
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 16 October 2021 00: 47
                +2
                I agree that everything is fine with extreme in Israel, especially lately. What else will the Palestinians come up with? Someone is feeding them, even their vaunted Mossad is not helping, or so the top needs it.
        5. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 15 October 2021 23: 46
          +5
          Many human thanks from true Australians for your comparison that they live better than Russians.
        6. Mole13
          Mole13 16 October 2021 01: 21
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          No matter how you add, Russians live much poorer than Australians.

          Stop whining here. Are you Russian? So lift your ass and make Russia more gracious and gracious. I raised Africa from the ruins, I was not at home for a long time - in Russia, and what were you doing, dear man?
          1. 76SSSR
            76SSSR 16 October 2021 01: 32
            -2
            Quote: Mole13
            I raised Africa from the ruins

            Wasted time.)
            1. Mole13
              Mole13 16 October 2021 01: 35
              +5
              In vain, not in vain, but there is an order. They sent it by "mail order" on demand, and then the curve will show. A379vs.
              1. 76SSSR
                76SSSR 16 October 2021 01: 37
                -1
                Quote: Mole13
                A379vs

                Attache?
                1. Mole13
                  Mole13 16 October 2021 01: 42
                  +6
                  Quote: 76SSSR
                  Attache?

                  Military advisor. ISAA, then (.........) and Africa.
                  My grandmother, her kingdom is heavenly, was a military doctor - the head of the military hospital at the Oktyabr Railway, then she taught in the first honey, which is named after Sechenov. I was also ready to become a doctor, they set me up for this, they prepared me. But everything was decided by a trip to the GDR as part of the best pioneers of the Union. Before the trip, a dash was conducted with me, the so-called "people in civilian clothes" were recruited (but then it was not perceived as recruitment), then I was "led" into the university period, then special courses, then the KUOS under the KGB of the USSR, ISAA made it possible to choose between Bl. East and Africa, I chose Africa. So I became a military adviser, at one time a military attaché. From the track record: the formation of diplomatic ties with Burkina Faso, military intervention in Somalia to counterbalance the US militarization in the area up to the incident in 93rd in Mogadishu, suppression of insurgency in Côte d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast, his mother) , it was hot, although they ordered cold cocktails, but damn it, these politicians, if they were wrong ... A little about myself: married, have a daughter - a student at MSU, a lot of bad habits, fluent in about ten languages, read and understand speech at 20 -ty languages, this is outside of Africa. As for the black continent, I speak almost all dialects of local language groups, the author of more than 150 textbooks on linguistics and simultaneous translation, regional studies and the history of African tribes, an honorary member of the Sherishama ("People of the Fog") tribe. Since 1995, a member of the Writers' Union of Russia, author of more than five hundred novels and stories, short stories and poetic sketches. I am the first in the world to translate from the Chiluba (Congo) language into English, and then into Russian, the manifesto poem of Nungabori Inietu. In 2014 he published the world's only phrasebook “Umbundu-Esperanto”. I am the author of an alternative translation of "The Crow" by Edgar Poe with the sounding "Nevermore" closest to the original.
                  1. 76SSSR
                    76SSSR 16 October 2021 01: 47
                    +2
                    I found a kindred spirit ...) I just spent a long time in Africa as an illegal, some period fell on the neighborhood with the Wako tribe, the shaman of the tribe taught me to sleep at a minimum without an obvious decrease in body functions, for this they gave me a drink before going to bed. ”- a local drink made from the roots of some relict plants, upon awakening, another glass was supposed to be, and I was drawn into it. Then at home it was hard without nigamancha, but insomnia remained, suffered for some time, then got used to it. I'm fine, but for an unprepared person who was not prepared for the transfer, it's hard of course.
                    1. Mole13
                      Mole13 16 October 2021 01: 52
                      +2
                      I always thought that "Nigamanchi" was from Ecuador ...
                      1. 76SSSR
                        76SSSR 16 October 2021 01: 55
                        -1
                        Yes, Yuzh. and Central America, but in Africa it was something like a branch of "Nigamanchi", by the way, the effect did not fade.)
          2. Revival
            Revival 16 October 2021 03: 58
            -7
            It would be better to raise Russia.
            Special thanks for raising Africa.
            Highly raised?
            And I still could not understand why half of Australia moved to Rosmiya, and the second half to raised Africa
            Australians are jealous of them ..
      2. venik
        venik 15 October 2021 23: 24
        -1
        Quote: URAL72
        What's the matter with you, Observer? Someone spoiled the mood? In Russia, unlike African countries, you can find a job, and even a decent salary. Moreover, according to most parameters, Russia is provided with goods of its own production much better than African

        ========
        Apparently, the "Observer" meant Australia, but chose an example as something not entirely successful ... request
        1. Igor Aviator
          Igor Aviator 15 October 2021 23: 45
          +4
          Quote: venik
          "Observer" meant Australia, but chose the example as something not entirely successful .....

          Well no! This vyrus said exactly what she wanted, with one clear purpose - to slander and throw mud. But I didn't take into account this one thing - his words have no weight, a bunch of puddles! For the overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of Russia, if such an hour comes, will stand up to defend the Motherland! And people like this "observer" will be crushed along the gateways, according to the requirements of the time.
          1. venik
            venik 16 October 2021 00: 04
            -1
            Quote: Igor Aviator
            Well no! This vyrus said exactly what she wanted, with one clear purpose - to slander and throw mud. I just didn't take into account this

            =======
            Igor! Let's not "be like"! I understand you perfectly (I went through a "business trip" in "GT" myself) .... If he is SUCH, then WE must resist! And "get dirty" about provocateurs and "found" on their provocation - It is more expensive for yourself!
            PS THE MAIN THING: We are NOT alone!
      3. Revival
        Revival 16 October 2021 04: 03
        -7
        "Russia is provided with goods of its own production much better than the African ones."

        Well this is a major achievement.
        The comparison is worthy and indicative in every sense ...
        Yeah..
    5. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 16 October 2021 06: 28
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      But can a country with an income of the population of African countries claim the title of even a regional power?

      This did not stop Stalin and Mao, this time, and secondly, when submitting such a loud "serious opinion" - it is not worth putting the crap on the Internet for an argument. Either the "literate" draws half of the African countries, the other greedy - the majority, but in reality - only a few with the leader of South Africa. Google to help !!!
      And thirdly - in European Monaco, the average salary is $ 3476 (178 thousand rubles), the minimum wage is $ 1144 (82.3 thousand rubles) and we all know this "monaco" as a major regional power, yeah good What is really there - the world!fellow
  2. pyagomail.com
    pyagomail.com 15 October 2021 19: 53
    +1
    Т
    In this way, the opposition politician expressed solidarity with the position of the former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, who considered owning a nuclear submarine fleet without its own infrastructure and industry as a risky business according to the "plug and pray" formula, and not according to the "plug and play" rule.

    The United States will sell boats, they will also maintain and repair - and put money in their pockets. And if Canberra begins to somehow express disobedience, it will be possible to take offense and press down with repair and maintenance.
  3. Evil troll
    Evil troll 15 October 2021 20: 12
    0
    Is this a riot ?? Signed off! The master ordered to buy boats, so buy boats!
    1. Murmur 55
      Murmur 55 15 October 2021 20: 24
      +3
      Not only buy, but then pay for the functionality of these submarines + these boats will carry out all ORDERS from Washington and Australia is required to supply their crew and pay for maintenance and not ask stupid questions hi
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 16 October 2021 00: 13
        +2
        Quote: Murmur 55
        these boats will carry out all ORDERS from Washington and Australia is required to supply their crew and pay for maintenance and not ask stupid questions

        Exactly! Cannon fodder! "If INTO" - Yankees aside wassat - and we have nothing to do with it! ... The kangaroo is all by ourselves! ,,,
  4. Alien From
    Alien From 15 October 2021 20: 14
    +1
    Canberra fell into bondage to mattresses. And the dog is with them!
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 15 October 2021 20: 30
      +2
      What dog? Dingo? wassat
  5. Murmur 55
    Murmur 55 15 October 2021 20: 21
    +2
    Lord, what are we talking about?
    If the USA itself gave the go-ahead for the ownership of such submarines, it is an indulgence wink the highest degree.
  6. pytar
    pytar 15 October 2021 20: 37
    +3
    An Australian senator wondered if a non-nuclear power could have nuclear submarines?

    Rex Patrick is clearly not aware that a "nuclear submarine", that is, a submarine with a nuclear power plant and a submarine with nuclear weapons on board, are completely different things! Why not ask if a non-nuclear power might have nuclear power plants? Or maybe he will be interested in what kind of country is it that has nuclear weapons on a non-nuclear submarine? Well, in the example of North. Korea!

    Why Canberra refused to cooperate with Paris in the joint construction of nuclear submarines is already known. The French rewrote the estimate, at the end almost doubling the price tag, and were greedy with the staff, not allowing Australian hard workers to work. And most importantly, they did not share their nuclear technologies.

    Why then all the couple? For Australia, which is a separate continent washed on all sides of the seas and the ocean, submarines with nuclear power plants are probably better suited! France did not want to sell, the USA agreed. Moreover, Australia is an organic part of the Anglo-Saxon world! Member of British Commonwealth of Nations!

    ... the continent has almost one third of the world's proven uranium reserves ... However, all this is not a reason for Australia's admission to the club of nuclear powers.

    With such uranium reserves, it is foolish not to develop nuclear energy. That the nuclear power plant, that the power plants for submarines, they have plenty of fuel. It is a matter of time to remove self-restraints.

    Now Rex Patrick is making another loud statement that is by no means in favor of the authorities ... Thus, an opposition politician ...

    Then everything becomes clear. The task, the role of the opposition is just such - to criticize the authorities! And it is right!
    1. Igor Aviator
      Igor Aviator 16 October 2021 00: 09
      +5
      Quote: pytar
      they have enough fuel

      Fuck there! It’s just fuel that they don’t have! Since there is no technology! Only ore deposits.
      And the provision of technologies for the extraction and enrichment of uranium to a country that did not previously have these competencies is a violation of the nonproliferation treaty.
      1. pytar
        pytar 16 October 2021 00: 51
        -1
        And the provision of technologies for the extraction and enrichment of uranium to a country that did not previously have these competencies is a violation of the nonproliferation treaty.

        Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty enshrines the right of all participating States to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination. The Treaty obliges its participants to exchange equipment, materials, scientific and technical information for this purpose, to assist non-nuclear states to obtain benefits from any peaceful application of nuclear technologies. So uranium can be enriched, but not for bombs. It is by the way uranium for bombs and for nuclear power plants are different.
        It’s just fuel that they don’t have! Since there is no technology! Only ore deposits.

        Fuel for nuclear power plants is produced by many companies in the world. Among them, Japanese, Dutch and German. Although it is unlikely that the Australians need this technology. Their uranium deposits have the highest concentration in ore, so reprocessing at American companies is not a problem.
    2. K150
      K150 16 October 2021 18: 55
      0
      The standard armament of the nuclear submarine is nuclear weapons. The fact that the Australian will not have it is rubbish. Where is the IAEA?
      1. pytar
        pytar 17 October 2021 12: 23
        0
        The standard armament of the nuclear submarine is nuclear weapons. The fact that the Australian will not have it is rubbish. Where is the IAEA?

        Who has an ego, but Australia does not have atomic weapons and is not foreseen! They do not need it, the United States has enough to burn the entire planet three times! By the way, whoever has nuclear weapons, it is not difficult to cram the ego into, for example, krylate missiles or torpedoes on submarines with a classic power system. Soviet diesel submarines operating around Cuba during the Caribbean crisis had nuclear weapons on board.
        The use of nuclear power units (NPS) is not prohibited. At one time, the USSR and the USA even developed cars with YAS! Then, at the beginning of the nuclear era, it was believed that soon all transport equipment would switch to nuclear power systems! Airplanes, ships, cars, trucks!
        "Volga-Atom", in April 1965, the car drove to the test site near Seversk:

        https://www.drive2.ru/b/491899513108169092/?page=0
  7. iouris
    iouris 15 October 2021 20: 45
    -6
    And who will forbid? Australia was written off. Anyway, it will go to China and there are too many Chinese. They will also deliver ICBMs to Australia and strike at China (they think China will not respond on US soil). Something like this.
  8. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 15 October 2021 21: 04
    -1
    An interesting point. Overnight Australia,
    country of fearless dogs, dingos and koalas,
    became a nuclear power.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 October 2021 21: 22
      +1
      Basically Yes - "at my will, at my behest, become a nuclear power!"
  9. Avior
    Avior 15 October 2021 21: 24
    +3
    ... He wondered if a non-nuclear power could possess nuclear submarines at all, whether this would violate a nonproliferation treaty.

    There is an unambiguous answer to this question - does not violate
    Unless, of course, there are no nuclear weapons on the boat.
    I wonder if the Japanese will be next in line for the Premier League? The views of the Japanese on their army are changing before our eyes, and it is not far from the nuclear submarine.
    1. poquello
      poquello 16 October 2021 00: 57
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      I wonder if the Japanese will be next in line for the Premier League?

      why not Iranians?
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 October 2021 06: 56
        0
        Maybe Iranians. But I'm not sure the Iranians need it. They have enough diesel-electric submarines.
        1. poquello
          poquello 16 October 2021 11: 01
          0
          Quote: Avior
          I'm not sure the Iranians need this. They have enough diesel-electric submarines.

          uh, on diesel to the shores of the USA?
          1. Avior
            Avior 16 October 2021 11: 38
            0
            And what will they do off the coast of the United States?
            1. poquello
              poquello 16 October 2021 12: 10
              0
              Quote: Avior
              And what will they do off the coast of the United States?

              demonstrate military power, while the Americans demonstrate off the coast of Iran
    2. K150
      K150 16 October 2021 18: 57
      -1
      The nuclear submarine has nuclear warheads in its standard weapons, they were made for this, then that it will not be there is a lie. Why is the IAEA silent?
      1. Avior
        Avior 16 October 2021 20: 55
        -1
        ... Nuclear submarines have nuclear warheads in their regular weapons

        There is no connection between the presence of nuclear weapons and the type of power plant.
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 15 October 2021 21: 53
    +5
    can a non-nuclear power possess nuclear submarines at all? What is this nonsense? Why can a non-nuclear state acquire a nuclear power plant without "special problems" (!) ... but who decided that it cannot acquire a nuclear submarine or, for example, an atomic "super.tanker" or a nuclear-powered "super.container ship"? Why, for example, Norway cannot acquire a nuclear icebreaker? After all, all this, at one time, was created within the framework of the "Peaceful Atom" program ?!
    1. Covid
      Covid 15 October 2021 22: 32
      -5
      Why can't you have a ship with an atomic-powered engine? This is the main problem here. The people need to understand that a nuclear submarine can be armed with non-nuclear weapons. Someone gives it to Australia, or else the topic can be closed.
      1. Igor Aviator
        Igor Aviator 16 October 2021 00: 03
        -1
        Quote: Covid
        Why you can't have a ship with an atomic energy engine

        only a kangaroo, I think, is not clear that if you have an atomic engine, without having YOUR full-fledged nuclear infrastructure (from maintenance of reactors to a full-fledged nuclear industry), this atomic engine starts to HAVE YOU. But, the kangaroo is unaware ... And the Yankees will not miss theirs. and "shod" to the fullest, and also "with the top". and to hell with them!
        1. Covid
          Covid 16 October 2021 12: 41
          -7
          Do all countries with nuclear power plants have their own nuclear industry? I am still confident that the seller of my equipment will provide a full service. And it is not yet noticeable on the horizon that Australia would suddenly become an enemy of the United States, that would suddenly refuse the service.
          The Yankees put on their shoes. Even the Red Army during the Second World War))).
          1. K150
            K150 16 October 2021 19: 02
            -3
            Quote: Covid
            Do all countries with nuclear power plants have their own nuclear industry? I am still confident that the seller of my equipment will provide a full service. And it is not yet noticeable on the horizon that Australia would suddenly become an enemy of the United States, that would suddenly refuse the service.
            The Yankees put on their shoes. Even the Red Army during the Second World War))).

            Do you even understand that nuclear submarines now exist as carriers of nuclear weapons and that they are standard? Australia is quietly given nuclear weapons and everyone is silent.
            1. Covid
              Covid 16 October 2021 20: 59
              -8
              Perhaps I can cut it even more than you. In the USSR, nuclear weapons were carried on trains. So now, according to you and the railway, can only be allowed to those who have this nuclear weapons? And what about mobile installations? There, in general, everything is by car. Just on rubber wheels.
              The nuclear submarine is a transport. And what you carry on it is already your business.
          2. Avior
            Avior 17 October 2021 09: 23
            +2
            The Yankees put on their shoes. Even the Red Army during the Second World War))).

            Exactly smile

            The total supply of footwear to the USSR under Lend-Lease is about 15 pairs.
    2. iouris
      iouris 16 October 2021 02: 22
      -2
      Maybe legally, if the authorized UN structure does not see the proliferation of nuclear weapons in this. Maybe he didn’t give a damn about the authorized UN structure. Example: Israel.
  11. Covid
    Covid 15 October 2021 22: 29
    -6
    The Australian Senate has 76 members. Will we consider the opinion of everyone or those whose statement you like?
    Although the essence of the "nuclear submarine" is not a weapon, but an engine. Then let's discuss everyone who has ships with nuclear engines and even those who have nuclear power plants.
  12. RoTTor
    RoTTor 15 October 2021 22: 41
    +1
    It may well
    as well as nuclear power plants and nuclear icebreakers.
  13. Ivanushka Ivanov
    Ivanushka Ivanov 15 October 2021 22: 43
    -3
    In fact, the dude confesses his love for the new project. In Anglo-Saxon, through the anus, but this way it is sweeter to him. He asks theatrically: oh bea, what will happen now? And he begins to smear snot, quite grunt and grunt. All his arguments, and he himself understands this, are from the category of childhood fears. But that's all he found to say against (after all, he is something like an opposition-minded element). That is, a dude with all four paws and a kangaroo tail - for.
  14. Igor Aviator
    Igor Aviator 15 October 2021 23: 56
    -1
    Quote: Alien From
    Canberra fell into bondage to mattresses. And the dog is with them!

    fools are not sorry, but greedy fools are not sorry AT ALL!
  15. gregor6549
    gregor6549 16 October 2021 14: 40
    +1
    I will not comment on anything. I’ll just give you a link from which those who wish can find out more about the deal between Australia and the United States and Great Britain.
    I apologize for the story in English in the link, but what I have is what I have. Who wants to figure it out with English https://youtu.be/XEDy4_ozmnw. I have neither the time nor the energy to translate. And lying under a dropper is not entirely comfortable doing translations. Forgive me, colleagues. Maybe when and if I go free I can devote more time to translations.
    1. pytar
      pytar 17 October 2021 12: 31
      0
      And lying under a dropper is not entirely comfortable doing translations. Forgive me, colleagues.

      Dear Grigory, thank you for finding a strong help from members of the forum in clarifying the situation! I wish you a speedy recovery! hi
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  18. pleschakovai
    pleschakovai 18 October 2021 06: 49
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    You should protect the green continent, and not follow the lead of strange partners !!! Do not expect good from them !!! After all, no one threatens you. No one!!! These are the fantasies of sick and old people from the State Department and other US hawks !!! And all this is a twist, a twist of tremendous money !!! belay fool angry