The West has ceased to be beneficial to itself

92

Where do dubious persons flee from Russia? In London. And this is not a trend in recent years. This has been going on for at least a century and a half, and if you evaluate more carefully history, and even from the time of Ivan the Terrible. This topic is touched upon, in particular, by Professor Sergei Savelyev.

In the course of the discussion of the topic, the question arises of modern geopolitical trends. For example, about how the West is plotting unnatural selection on the planet in political and economic terms. The Western world, led by the United States, is trying to create its own Procrustean bed, and all those who do not fit into it cannot, in the opinion of the collective West, be considered suitable for modern civilization. On this basis, entire countries are denied the right to their own identity. For such countries, where the collective West is trying to include Russia as well, a variety of scenarios of "bringing to the desired denominator" are being developed. If this does not work, then the state is declared an outcast, an enemy.



However, the modern world ceases to fit into the narrow TV screen tuned to CNN. The modern world is a huge space, including the media space, thanks to which not all people, even in the same West, are ready to support the policies promoted by the elites.

Recently, a situation has emerged in which the collective West has become economically unprofitable for itself - with its endless sanctions against the unwanted.

Details on this topic are discussed on the air of the Day TV channel:

    Our news channels

    Subscribe and stay up to date with the latest news and the most important events of the day.

    92 comments
    Information
    Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
    1. +2
      15 October 2021 11: 35
      The time of democracy has long passed in Western civilization, and now there is a time of aggressive liberalism, where degenerate minorities have much more rights over the normal majority.
      1. +8
        15 October 2021 11: 46
        There was no democracy in the West in the sense that the ancient Greeks put into this term. What they pass off as her is fiction and deception of the masses.
        1. +3
          15 October 2021 11: 47
          How we were deceived by them that they have a real developed democracy.
        2. +7
          15 October 2021 12: 02
          It was, it was ... The fathers of American democracy were slave owners - just like the ancient Greek rule that every citizen with the right to vote must have at least three slaves smile
          1. +6
            15 October 2021 12: 08
            Democracy in the Greek city-states is, first of all, direct rule of the people, in the form of a popular assembly. The highest authority in the policy. Possessing the right and the ability to remove at any time any official who does not like it. And also - to impose on him a penalty in the form of a fine, expulsion or execution for especially distinguished ones. Plus - the inability to take their place by officials for a long time.

            There is nothing of the kind in the west and never has been. What is happening with them - the Greeks called it an oligarchy.
        3. The comment was deleted.
        4. +22
          16 October 2021 22: 59
          Quote: paul3390
          There was no democracy in the West in the sense that the ancient Greeks put into this term. What they pass off as her is fiction and deception

          good If in the speeches of Western politicians instead of the word "democracy" substitute "genocide", then immediately everything falls into place. And the contradictions disappear.
      2. +1
        15 October 2021 11: 48
        "The US War on Terror has destroyed the entire world."
        Roger Waters (Pink Floyd).
    2. HAM
      0
      15 October 2021 11: 52
      Now "democracy" and "demogogy" are practically the same, although, it seems, only the same root words ...
      1. 0
        15 October 2021 12: 24
        Democracy and demagogy!
    3. -7
      15 October 2021 12: 03
      A bit wrong. The West is disadvantageous to those who think too much of themselves, forgetting about the true state of affairs. A country with a share in the world GDP in the area of ​​statistical error and a completely indigenous mono-export raw material economy cannot be equal to the West. This means that one should behave like economically proportionate countries. Doing everything, everything that the West says, that's all right. Because the approval of the West is the highest value, and whoever has approval is the master. But again, strictly within the boundaries of approval. That is, the entire policy should be aimed at taking and retaining the approvals of the West, everything else is irrelevant. Such is the heavenly mandate in action. If you follow the orders of the West, you live in peace and prosperity. If you contradict his will, you immediately get on your head numerous disasters in the face of sanctions, non-recognition and the status of a dictator. It seems to be simple, but for some people their pride goes off scale in order to come to terms with the Unbreakable and inevitable. That is why we live in poverty, even in miserable Romania the minimum wage is several times higher than ours, in insignificant Estonia the per capita GDP is almost three times higher than ours. And Poland is already catching up with Germany. Because these countries have realized and accepted the new order, Russia alone has taken a pose, for which it is paying the price. One can disagree with this, one can argue with this, one can be damned for such a heretical speech, but it is so. The West is absolute. The unipolar world is indestructible and eternal. There is nothing more eternal than America, only those who challenge its will are fleeting.
      1. +10
        15 October 2021 12: 27
        Quote: Basarev
        Russia alone has taken a pose, for which it is paying the price.

        For paiza, you suggest that we go to the Anglo-Saxons wink
        As in that film: "Oh, in! Have not seen!" laughing

        Py.Sy. And, about Romania, Poland and Estonia - smiled winked
      2. +1
        15 October 2021 12: 45
        You shouldn't have written this, Arseny, although it is clear that you are being ironic. In fact, everything is so.
      3. 0
        15 October 2021 12: 53
        Have you been at least in the same Romania? I think no . But in the same place - we beat the terrible and terrible Goodwin with our foreheads.)))) And another question - if you are so shitty here that you can't eat - why are we sitting here? Huh? Drive into your adored unipolar world - no one is holding!
        1. -1
          17 October 2021 09: 54
          Have you been at least in the same Romania?
          I was. Romanians live not poorly. There is inexpensive and high quality food, by the way.
          1. -1
            17 October 2021 11: 01
            A visit to Bucharest is not ALL of Romania. And I had the opportunity to cross this (and not only this country) with my own auto-passage .. So that they were chic - still not. Why would Romanians wander all over Europe? Are you tired of high-quality and inexpensive food? Or "high" salaries are a burden to them? The same picture is in Bulgaria. Yes, and the Greeks do not fatten. I am silent now about the situation in England .. If everyone there is so bad (in the EU) - so why are they holding meetings endlessly? "Yellow vests" so what year are they rebelling - are they mad with fat? laughing
            1. -1
              17 October 2021 11: 32
              I am silent now about the situation in England
              Spread it out, it'll be fun smile I have been in England since I came of age.
              Visit Bucharest
              I was in ClujNapoca. No, they are not chic, but they receive in the region of thousands of euros (though not for their beautiful eyes, it is necessary to work). Romanians go abroad, mainly to save up for housing (why not). Roaming - Romanian Gypsies - whom the Romanians themselves hate the most and blame for all the problems of Romania.
              .Yes, and the Greeks do not fatten
              Have you seen what houses they live in?
              1. -1
                17 October 2021 12: 24
                Houses in Greece - why look at them. I lived in these houses. To earn money for housing? I agree. But they do not want to buy housing in Romania. And why would that be? And the food there is cheap. And healthy. And the Gypsies left .. But the Romanians do not want to live in Romania. And the Bulgarians do not want - who has the opportunity to dump - they will bring down .. And for England - after all, heaven on earth? But no, even though you are there from the age of majority - as a true patriot of Russia))))))
                1. -1
                  17 October 2021 12: 27
                  as a true patriot of Russia
                  I am not a patriot of Russia, I am adequate to Russia.
                  still heaven on earth? But no.
                  Better even better - but overall it's not bad here Yes .
                  whoever has the opportunity to dump - get knocked down.
                  Everyone has such an opportunity - the European Union. A ticket for twenty - and you are in Hamburg or Dublin, find a job, and that's it. No documents are required (except for a passport).
                  1. 0
                    17 October 2021 12: 36
                    Adequate to Russia? What is it like ? In Russia, to steal - then to dump in England (with stolen, of course). And only then - sitting on the banks of the Thames to suffer (adequately, of course - not to snot) for Russia - Mother? laughing And in order to suffer really quite adequately - so roll the "granchak" - and under the balalaika)))) tongue
                    1. -1
                      17 October 2021 12: 42
                      Steal in Russia - then dump to England
                      I'm actually a Russian Baltic. And he did not steal anything in Russia.
                  2. 0
                    17 October 2021 12: 38
                    Need help from Covid? smile
                    Was our Sputnik recognized there?
                    1. -1
                      17 October 2021 12: 41
                      I am vaccinated by Pfizer.
              2. 0
                17 October 2021 15: 55
                Quote: Bolt Cutter


                And the Greeks do not fatten


                Have you seen what houses they live in?

                Have seen. The people (70%) live badly. Boring, housing is kind of stupid. Bath is a luxury item. I do not know in which upper spheres you worked, but I am more with the common people ... And since 2008 in Greece, the melancholy is green. Green longing.
          2. 0
            17 October 2021 11: 43
            In brothels in Germany, Romanian women are the most common.
            The poor are tired of the luxurious life in Romania. We decided to try something spicy ...
            There are also brothels with a purely Bulgarian "staff".
            1. -2
              17 October 2021 11: 46
              luxury life in Romania.
              Normal life there. But it's not bad at all. And how many Russian women there (in brothels) were there with open borders?
              What about England? laughing
              1. -1
                17 October 2021 12: 26
                I have not seen Russian women. From Ukraine and Moldova - like fleas on the Watchdog.))))
                1. -1
                  17 October 2021 12: 29
                  I'm not a specialist in glove business, I'm sorry. But in Thailand (!) Your local squint has already shown competition laughing
                  1. -1
                    17 October 2021 12: 32
                    And if we don't go to brothels, why is there such awareness of the "personnel" of these "divisions"? laughing Huh?
                    1. 0
                      17 October 2021 12: 34
                      I read crime reports. Narcologists are experts, but they don't sit on a needle laughing
                      And what for you, only for money shines lol ?
                      1. -1
                        17 October 2021 12: 40
                        Hussars don’t take money! Although where is Russia adequate to be hussars? ))) tongue
                        1. -2
                          17 October 2021 12: 44
                          Authentic hussars in Poland laughing ... Russia is more famous for its construction battalion wassat
                        2. -1
                          17 October 2021 12: 55
                          And on Ilyin's day - to the great Moscow! To Gorky Park, where the construction battalion will be waiting for you near the fountains! tongue
                        3. -1
                          17 October 2021 12: 58
                          You better come to Trafalgar Square. Oh, yes, visa tongue
                        4. -1
                          17 October 2021 13: 03
                          Yes, I have a visa - schmiza))) I was a young man wandered from Havana to Alain. From the North Cape to Casablanca. Well, this is adequate for Russia from the Baltic states, but one who lives on the banks of the foggy Thames clearly does not understand)))) tongue wassat
                        5. -2
                          17 October 2021 13: 07
                          Yes, here all the "patriots" are like that, and went to a hundred countries and fought in special forces (an officer Yes ) and a battalion of American Rangers mowed and drank the elephant. Boring, right.
                        6. -1
                          17 October 2021 13: 12
                          Are we bored? Why are we sitting here then? They should go to the Trafalgar Square. wassat
                        7. -2
                          17 October 2021 13: 15
                          Why are we sitting here then?
                          Yes, I thought to talk to smart people. (The area is not going anywhere). But where to get them, that's the problem sad .
                        8. -1
                          17 October 2021 16: 35
                          A-a-a .. It's clear. It's not you fool - it's all smart here .. Indeed, it's a disaster! wassat
                    2. 0
                      17 October 2021 15: 45
                      Probably his wife is informing. The wife "works", and he beats down the light.
                      1. -1
                        17 October 2021 18: 32
                        Come on, they are in a swamp - there is such a thing in England. The Baltic states themselves - and there too ... He talks about Russia ..
                        1. 0
                          17 October 2021 21: 23
                          Write to the moderators to ban this bastard. For his writing about Russia and Russians.
                        2. 0
                          17 October 2021 22: 15
                          It's not my rules to write complaints. In addition, there are many of them. Yes, and the enemy (or rival) is better known. An unknown adversary - he will be worse))). And as they used to say in Moldavanka - Whoever comes to us with a sword will get circumcision at a discount! wink
    4. -1
      15 October 2021 12: 31
      For such countries, where the collective West is trying to include Russia, a wide variety of scenarios of "bringing to the desired denominator" are being developed.
      ... In the numerator, they see only themselves as loved ones, this is understandable ...
      The question is, are so many countries agree, are they ready to stay in that denominator? Wouldn't they break those mathematicians all their ... mathematics, with everything else ???
      1. -2
        15 October 2021 12: 40
        Quote: rocket757
        In the numerator, they see only themselves as loved ones, this is understandable ...

        So we will share them wassat wassat wassat
        1. 0
          15 October 2021 12: 47
          Well, yes, we are not only able to count on accounts, we can use those accounts, to some people, and hit the kumpol!
          This will be "shock mathematics" !!!
          1. 0
            17 October 2021 18: 34
            There is also an adding machine - such a piece of equipment if you cut it into the forehead - so no Lobachevsky will help)))
            1. -1
              17 October 2021 19: 43
              There was one, FELIX.
              I typed the numbers, set the action, twisted the handle and voila !!! The answer is ready. Although, we got along with a ruler, a logarithmic one, until calculators appeared.
      2. +1
        15 October 2021 12: 47
        So many. This disagreeing one, two, and got it wrong.
        1. -2
          15 October 2021 13: 45
          And we will ... see how events will develop, and then calculate who and where settled.
    5. +2
      15 October 2021 12: 43
      Why are the comments in the article "Who paid for the Soviet economic miracle?"
      1. -2
        15 October 2021 18: 33
        Quote: sash-sash
        Why are the comments in the article "Who paid for the Soviet economic miracle?"

        Completely open ...
    6. +1
      15 October 2021 12: 56
      Quote: paul3390
      There was no democracy in the West in the sense that the ancient Greeks put into this term. What they pass off as her is fiction and deception of the masses.

      In a sense, this is true, but ancient Greek democracy was by no means for everyone! This, too, must not be forgotten ...
    7. 0
      15 October 2021 16: 21
      Capitalism is possible only with the constant expansion of markets. That is, a constantly increasing inflow of capital is needed. Robbery is vital to the existing economic system. So all these "weird" tricks are not weird at all. This is an ordinary robbery, that's all. As we know, you can get to the bottom of the pillar. Well, here they dig, and then rob. The question is that the reservoir of persons, countries and territories possible for robbery is practically exhausted. Ah ah ah...
      1. 0
        16 October 2021 18: 26
        This is not true. Capitalism is possible without new markets. But then the struggle within the predators will intensify. There will be a redistribution of influence in the markets. If this cannot be done peacefully, then weapons are used.
        1. -1
          16 October 2021 18: 42
          No, it is impossible) This is not "civilization". Redistribution will take place once. It will happen a second time. And then?) The capitalist system cannot exist without the expansion of markets. Capitalism is built on the accumulation of capital. If this possibility is removed, capitalist competition will finally degenerate extremely quickly. In fact, there will be only one capitalist, who is the power.
          What's next? With no competitors, this capitalist will lose the motivation to make any changes. Why are they? You can make it worse! All sectors of the economy will stagnate, as capitalist management methods will become ineffective.
          Even if the situation is viewed in an abstract way, such a system will inevitably collapse. And if we represent it concretely, then the collapse will happen almost instantly, because instead of competition with goods, competition with trunks will immediately begin, then there are no other ways, right? Well, when a constant cannonade thunders above, the structure will simply collapse.
          There are many scenarios, very different, but not a single one, leading to the survival of humanity. You can spend some time looking at them. Each will lead you to either a sea of ​​blood, or hunger, or both. Well, or to socialism)
          1. 0
            17 October 2021 22: 56
            Well, you twisted it. At least lie down and die.
            But, all these are your sick fantasies. There will be no apocalypse.
            If only because the West is not in danger of hunger. Well, there will be a drop in consumption. So only twice and not at once, but in several years. What's so terrible about that? Nothing.
            Moreover, many production facilities will become profitable and will return from China and other countries. That is, new jobs will arise that would never have appeared otherwise.
            it is hoped that the United States will see the futility of pursuing world domination and reduce its military spending.
            Even reducing them by a third is a quarter of a trillion. The amount is gigantic. And every year.
            1. 0
              18 October 2021 08: 58
              Hunger?! And God ... That is, you are in captivity of some kind of Soviet ideas, they say, everything in the country depends on the people)) You stubbornly do not want to notice the obvious - the most terrible wars and catastrophes on the planet occur not because there are objective ones for their occurrence and course causes. More precisely, there are such reasons, but they have nothing to do with whether the chauffeur John Smith is dying of hunger or overeating.
              "The US will see the pointlessness" ... Damn. The question is: is there a likelihood of the loss of power by modern power groups? If it does, then millions of john smiths will die in the ditches. Millions of them will be killed, wounded and maimed, and all this in no way, AT ALL will not affect the decisions made. The question is about POWER!
              There it will appear, then it will disappear ... And the people who now rule the world will step aside and stare at it indifferently, picking their noses. How can you be so naive ?!
              The stupid guy who came to power in the USSR after Stalin seriously decided that the laws of social development are immutable, like the law of universal gravitation. And therefore they will prevail on their own) Will prevail. For a thousand years. And at this particular moment, those who are infringed upon by these laws will shed seas of blood without flinching. After all, these are people, not units in the formula ...
              1. 0
                18 October 2021 10: 11
                Michael, you are harassing yourself. I'm afraid for you ...

                Let's take it easy. If some of the countries come out of dependence on the West, how will this affect the authorities in the West? No way. Who had the power and will continue to have it. Examples of darkness. The British Empire once lost its very valuable colony: the North American states. So what? The king was overthrown? didn't even try. Has the monarchy collapsed? Not a damn thing happened to her. It still exists.
                Nothing happened to England or the monarchy even after the collapse of her colonial empire.
                In the same way, nothing terrible happened with the collapse of the French and Spanish empires. Portuguese Empire. This one collapsed quite recently - 46 years ago. Nothing happened to Portugal and its ruling class.
                Why should there be an apocalypse due to the loss of the power of one part of the world over another. It has long been calculated that when and if the United States loses these very $ 2 trillion, which they received mainly through the emission of the dollar, then their consumption level will drop by a quarter. Most likely, the level of the top 10% will remain, while the bottom 50% will decrease by a third. That is, it will not be 18 times higher than the average African, but "only" 12 times.
                But the most important thing for the top 10% is that the burden of their well-being will be even greater for their plebs.
                1. 0
                  18 October 2021 11: 43
                  Quote: Sergey-1950
                  If some of the countries come out of dependence on the West, how will this affect the authorities in the West?

                  They will take it and leave) As in the door ... Indeed, what am I worried about?))
    8. -1
      15 October 2021 19: 45
      Quote: rocket757
      For such countries, where the collective West is trying to include Russia, a wide variety of scenarios of "bringing to the desired denominator" are being developed.
      ... In the numerator, they see only themselves as loved ones, this is understandable ...
      The question is, are so many countries agree, are they ready to stay in that denominator? Wouldn't they break those mathematicians all their ... mathematics, with everything else ???

      And in their scenario of subtracting and dividing, being in the numerator, won't an unexpected and unpleasant event occur that violates the laws of their mathematics?
      For example, Russia has always been able to act outside the box ...
      They may suddenly discover that THEY HAVE BEEN DIVIDED BY ZERO! belay
    9. 0
      15 October 2021 21: 55
      Strange formulation of the question. Profitable-unprofitable ...
      The West compensated for any disadvantage at all times at the expense of the colonies. Now there seem to be no colonies, but in fact all the countries of the non-Western world to one degree or another are its colonies. And all these struggles for democracy, human rights, gender equality and equality between rabbits and hares are a fig cover for the West's efforts to increase the degree of colonial dependence of countries and continents.
      And the non-Western world has the exact opposite goal. Hence the conflict of interest.

      It has always been that way, until now.
      But now the opportunity arose to throw the vile dwarf off his neck.
      Precisely, a dwarf. In 1950, out of 2,5 billion inhabitants of the planet Zap. Europe and the United States had a share of more than 20% and more than 50% of world GDP.
      Now their share in the population is 10% and real (and not drawn) GDP is 32-33%.
      But the most important thing is that the planet can do without the West without losing the level of technology and technology. In simple terms, it can be excluded from the international division of labor and nothing terrible will happen. Everything that is done in the West is produced or can be easily mastered in non-Western countries.
      1. 0
        15 October 2021 22: 17
        Moreover, due to the incomparably higher cost of labor, the West is losing and will lose economic competition.
      2. -9
        15 October 2021 23: 11
        What about China. As if he had already bought half of the World ... Japan or Singapore are whose colonies. Or maybe we confuse the concept of a colony in modern times with the concept of a union, allies, otherwise it is funny to hear about a country that it is someone's colony, but the standard of living there may be higher than the standard of living in the metropolis. The trouble of our time is that people have a mess in their heads. In reality, there are no colonies now. There are some scanty dependent territories, it is not the scale of the colonial era.
        1. 0
          16 October 2021 11: 11
          Quote: Covid
          What about China. As if he had already bought half of the World ... Japan or Singapore are whose colonies. Or maybe we confuse the concept of a colony in modern times with the concept of a union, allies, otherwise it is funny to hear about a country that it is someone's colony, but the standard of living there may be higher than the standard of living in the metropolis. The trouble of our time is that people have a mess in their heads. In reality, there are no colonies now. There are some scanty dependent territories, it is not the scale of the colonial era.

          You have porridge. Moreover, you carry your porridge to the "masses".
          The United West is the colonial master of the rest of the world. The rest pay him tribute, in one form or another. Even under Trump, the United States alone received this tribute of $ 2 trillion a year.
          But others also get their "devidends".

          It's just that the methods of colonial rule have become more sophisticated. So Britain, already in 1931, formalized its colonial empire as the "Commonwealth of Nations". Although the horseradish turned out to be the same radish.

          But in the last ten years, the West has realized that some countries may stop paying tribute (China, Russia), and all the rest are just waiting for the moment to follow their example. Previously, the West acted simply, the rebellious country was brought to its senses. They staged a coup, brought their puppet, who continued to help plunder their country.
          If it was not possible to arrange a coup, then the "regime" was declared dictatorial and aircraft carriers were sent. Yugoslavia (but it was a public flogging for the edification of others), Iraq, Libya ...
          But, damn it, already with Syria, the trick with the use of military force did not work. Didn't work with and DPRK. It is impossible to overthrow with the help of the fifth column. The last success is 2013, Ukraine. And then all the breakups. Veresuela, Iran, Belarus. How many are trying to shake Russia ... how much time and money have been spent, and everything is useless.
          What about China? He has not bought half the world. He will not buy, since he cannot afford it and does not need it. China buys objects if it has economic interests. For example, he bought half a port in Hamburg. So this is understandable. If Olaf Scholz himself, being the mayor of Hamburg, proudly said that Hamburg is China's gateway to Europe ... Many countries fought for the right to be China's gate. For example, China has invested heavily in Greece. The Greeks were bursting with happiness ... But then the Chinese realized that the transit through the Red Sea and the Suez Canal could easily be blocked. It is clear by whom ... And Greece found itself on the sidelines of the process of creating a China-Europe transit.

          Let's go further. About China's "dangerous" tread on the world.
          Do you know which country in the world has developed the fastest in the last 10 years?
          Ethiopia. More than 10% GDP growth. Higher than even in China. Cause? China has invested in the development of industry and infrastructure.

          And what has the enlightened West done in Africa in 500 years? He killed, robbed, sold into slavery, then robbed and killed.
          1. -9
            16 October 2021 12: 58
            Quote: Sergey-1950
            And what has the enlightened West done in Africa in 500 years?

            You yourself understand what you are writing, or even for 100 years the world was not what it is now.
            Each era has its own rules and they must be discussed specifically.
            Now is the 21st century and now there are no colonies. Enough to spread fantasy. And then heap everything in a heap.
            RI was also built on bones, robbery. Then everyone was like that.
            And the West in the form of Europe has always been a source of personnel for Russia. Ile who designed the Kremlin in Moscow? Or did Peter the Great not go to Europe for knowledge, or why almost all the generals on Borodino have no Russian surnames?
            You need to write less and think more before writing something.
            1. -1
              16 October 2021 15: 47
              Quote: Covid
              Quote: Sergey-1950
              And what has the enlightened West done in Africa in 500 years?

              You yourself understand what you are writing, or even for 100 years the world was not what it is now.
              Each era has its own rules and they must be discussed specifically.
              Now is the 21st century and now there are no colonies. Enough to spread fantasy. And then heap everything in a heap.
              RI was also built on bones, robbery. Then everyone was like that.
              And the West in the form of Europe has always been a source of personnel for Russia. Ile who designed the Kremlin in Moscow? Or did Peter the Great not go to Europe for knowledge, or why almost all the generals on Borodino have no Russian surnames?
              You need to write less and think more before writing something.

              The sent goat ... First, learn to write correctly in Russian. Colonialism was at its peak 100 years ago. But the growth of the power of the Soviet Union even then began to undermine your colonial system.
              1. -9
                16 October 2021 16: 09
                Quote: Sergey-1950
                The Soviet Union already then began

                Where is he, the USSR?
                1. -1
                  16 October 2021 16: 18
                  Quote: Covid
                  Quote: Sergey-1950
                  The Soviet Union already then began

                  Where is he, the USSR?

                  You go teach the history of your vile West and history in general. Yes! And click on the Russian language. It is easy to understand that Russian is not your native language.
                  1. -9
                    16 October 2021 20: 52
                    So was the USSR really Russian? You are confusing something here. The Bolsheviks were internationalists and they did not care who killed the Russians in civilian life. For this, Chinese and Latvians were hired. Are you Russian or Bolshevik?
                    1. 0
                      16 October 2021 21: 39
                      Quote: Covid
                      So was the USSR really Russian? You are confusing something here. The Bolsheviks were internationalists and they did not care who killed the Russians in civilian life. For this, Chinese and Latvians were hired. Are you Russian or Bolshevik?

                      I worked in the Small Council of People's Commissars.
          2. -1
            17 October 2021 09: 59
            Ethiopia. More than 10% GDP growth. Higher than even in China. Cause?
            Low start effect.
      3. +1
        16 October 2021 18: 46
        No, you can't do that. We will have to start by rebooting the entire global financial system. How do you see this for yourself?) Who will do this, bringing down the influence and states of virtually all "masters of the world"? Are they going to stand and watch? And then what? (well, if we assume that the West will take and disappear without undertaking anything. That is, let's take a fantasy) 20-30 years of saturation of markets in poor countries now, and what next? The same dead end ...
        1. -1
          16 October 2021 21: 57
          Quote: Mikhail3
          No, you can't do that. We will have to start by rebooting the entire global financial system. How do you see this for yourself?) Who will do this, bringing down the influence and states of virtually all "masters of the world"? Are they going to stand and watch? And then what? (well, if we assume that the West will take and disappear without undertaking anything. That is, let's take a fantasy) 20-30 years of saturation of markets in poor countries now, and what next? The same dead end ...

          May there be no dead end. And it is not necessary to bring down the financial markets. Several regional markets will emerge in the world. Which will have its own settlement currency. By the name of the currency, the markets will be called the zones of the dollar, euro, yuan, etc. There will be a ruble in the EAZS. But for now, we are talking about the creation of the yuan zone. It may take five or fifteen years to create a more or less large yuan zone. if the war does not happen. The foundation stone of the yuan zone has already been laid: China and Indonesia have agreed to trade in yuan. That is, the dollar is expelled from this segment of world trade. The process will continue. Potentially, the largest economy in the world can completely push the dollar out of its zone. And this is a quarter of world trade. But China will still have to use dollars for trade with the USA, Canada, Australia ... But on the other hand, China will switch to the euro in settlements with the EU. The EU is also very interested in this. There is a pound zone. Perhaps India, the fifth economy, will try to trade in rupees, most likely with African countries and Bangladesh. As a result, the dollar zone will be reduced by two, or even three times.
          1. -1
            17 October 2021 11: 40
            That is, you are a theorist. It’s not bad if such people don’t provide practical advice. You just don't understand the nature of wealth. Wealth is when one person, a small group of people, rips out the last penny from many. For wealth, they do not hesitate to kill as many people as necessary.
            How wonderful all this revelation of yours sounded in the lips of Khazin (whom I deeply respect)! This will not happen. The rich won't allow it. An epidemic of a real plague with the extinction of three quarters of humanity, a nuclear apocalypse, a war of all against all, the nuclear initiation of the eruption of Yellowstone ... anything is more likely than the fact that the rich will voluntarily lose their wealth) Alas ...
            1. 0
              17 October 2021 16: 01
              They would have done so, if not for the fear, along with everyone, to merge into the toilet. And in this fear of theirs for their skin, salvation for all.
              1. 0
                17 October 2021 16: 18
                I say, you are a theorist) If they were afraid of something on the way of multiplying and preserving wealth, they would not become rich. The toilet is so toilet, it is enough for them that they will be the last to merge. Above)
    10. -9
      15 October 2021 22: 42
      Where and what is the West? the term has become so garbage that people cannot even think about the stupidity of this term.
      Is Turkey, Chile or Brazil the West?
      1. -1
        16 October 2021 10: 32
        Quote: Covid
        Where and what is the West? the term has become so garbage that people cannot even think about the stupidity of this term.
        Is Turkey, Chile or Brazil the West?

        In this case, we mean the West in the political sense: the USA, Canada, EU, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea.
        1. -9
          16 October 2021 12: 47
          Doesn't Brazil support the US 100% or the EU. So, bit by bit, it is gaining that the West is almost the whole world. Even China has the main trading partners of the US and the EU.
          As I understand it, the West is a good muddy swamp for Putin's propaganda. From there you can fish out a fact for every taste. There are many countries. But since there is the West, then it will be possible to gloss over this fact the weight, as if the West is that one. Even comparing Russia with the West, as the Kremlin media often does, is ridiculous. It is impossible with one country with an abstractness like the West.
          1. -1
            16 October 2021 15: 51
            Brazil is a puppet state of the United States. Naturally, she supports the United States 100%.
            1. -8
              16 October 2021 16: 13
              How is it reflected in Brazil that it is, according to your version, "Puppet"?
              Then I was bold, according to your own logic, to say that Russia is a puppet state of China ..
              You write, pliiz, something intelligible.
              Neither Brazil nor Russia is anyone's puppet. All states are free to pursue their own policies. Choose your allies.
              What is the main goal of the state for you?
              1. -1
                16 October 2021 16: 30
                I will answer you, but first tell me what country do you live in? I'm just curious. And where and what did you study?
    11. 0
      16 October 2021 07: 57
      The professor did not say anything new. Do not surprise us. But some kind of zest must be served.
    12. -1
      16 October 2021 15: 59
      Quote: Covid
      Quote: Sergey-1950
      And what has the enlightened West done in Africa in 500 years?

      You yourself understand what you are writing, or even for 100 years the world was not what it is now.
      Each era has its own rules and they must be discussed specifically.
      Now is the 21st century and now there are no colonies. Enough to spread fantasy. And then heap everything in a heap.
      RI was also built on bones, robbery. Then everyone was like that.
      And the West in the form of Europe has always been a source of personnel for Russia. Ile who designed the Kremlin in Moscow? Or did Peter the Great not go to Europe for knowledge, or why almost all the generals on Borodino have no Russian surnames?
      You need to write less and think more before writing something.
      Is the dependence of countries' trade on paper printed in the United States not colonialism? Goods for paper that can be permanently printed - is this not colonialism? You are somehow narrow-minded.
      З
    13. -1
      16 October 2021 21: 27
      This conversation about the end of the west has been for 200 years, if not more. I doubt that anyone alive today will see the collapse of the West. Well, Russia is at least 300 years old part of the West. The collapse of the West, the collapse of Russia.
      1. 0
        16 October 2021 22: 12
        Quote: burger
        This conversation about the end of the west has been for 200 years, if not more. I doubt that anyone alive today will see the collapse of the West. Well, Russia is at least 300 years old part of the West. The collapse of the West, the collapse of Russia.

        Your post is a mix of concepts. I must say that they are often mixed.
        We must and can talk about the end of the West’s domination in the world. You can even call it a collapse. But this is not the collapse of the West itself. The West will remain. Many countries were deprived of their colonies. Holland, Belgium, Portugal had colonial empires.
        But when the colonies sailed away from them, the countries themselves remained and live and are not going to die. True, they began to pick up the crumbs from the robbery of their former colonies by more serious uncles.
        And now the prospect looms on the horizon for the entire united West to be deprived of its colonial income in bulk. At the same time, the standard of living in him will drop two times.
        And he will have to support this still high standard of living, using competitive advantages in science, high technology, automobile and aircraft construction.
        1. -1
          16 October 2021 23: 11
          Quote: Sergey-1950
          Your post is a mix of concepts. I must say that they are often mixed.

          Yes, there is no collective West.
          Quote: Sergey-1950
          We must and can talk about the end of the West's dominance in the world.

          They have been talking about this for 200 years. I recently read Tyutchev's article "Russia and the Revolution". Interesting reading, I advise, as I wrote today. It will be possible to talk about the end of domination when an alternative, replacement of the "West" will be seen. So far, no such alternative has been seen.
          Quote: Sergey-1950
          And now the prospect looms on the horizon for the entire united West to be deprived of its colonial incomes in bulk.

          The colonial system has long since died.
          Quote: Sergey-1950
          At the same time, the standard of living in him will drop two times.

          Maybe we should not. When the last time their standard of living fell by five percent, the standard of living of Russians fell by fifty percent.
          1. 0
            17 October 2021 00: 10
            Quote: burger
            Quote: Sergey-1950
            Your post is a mix of concepts. I must say that they are often mixed.

            Yes, there is no collective West.

            There is. Moreover, this is formalized by many organizations and bodies: first of all, NATO, now AUKUS has appeared, have not been dissolved, that is, they can be revived, SEATO, CENTO. NATO is a military organization with a military budget that is many times greater than the military budgets of the rest of the world. The West has several platforms for coordinating the actions of Western countries - the G7, the Davos Club, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Club and others. Why should they gather there far from prying eyes, if there is a G20, the UN and the General Assembly, the Security Council, finally?

            Quote: burger
            Quote: Sergey-1950
            We must and can talk about the end of the West's dominance in the world.

            They have been talking about this for 200 years. I recently read Tyutchev's article "Russia and the Revolution". ... It will be possible to speak about the end of domination when an alternative, replacement of the "West" will be seen. So far, no such alternative has been seen.

            Error in thinking. You impose the idea that there should be one dominant force in the world. And this is wrong. If there is no dominant force, the world will disintegrate into several regional trading zones. And thank God. The disintegration of the unipolar world is associated with the economic growth of China.
            The US can no longer dominate economically. At the same time, the West does not dare to use military force against countries that would have been gouged into dust 20 years ago. But the military strength of China and Russia is holding back and does not let loose. For the domination of the West, this cannot end well. They understand this, which is why there is so much hatred against Russia, first of all. Several countries have already appeared that openly do not recognize the West's right to dominate the world (Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Syria) and are ready to defend their independence with arms in hand. There are several other countries that publicly ignore the deeds and advice of the United States: Turkey, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan. Mali !!! How long can the colony (in fact) disobey the white Habib? And they can't do anything to her. Nothing! It remains only to wipe off and pretend that everything is fine.

            Quote: burger
            Quote: Sergey-1950
            And now the prospect looms on the horizon for the entire united West to be deprived of its colonial incomes in bulk.

            The colonial system has long since died.

            The colonial system, after its collapse, turned into a neo-colonial one. If she died, then there would be no need for aircraft carriers and 800 military bases around the world. And there would be no need to periodically smash countries (Yugoslavia, Iraq, twice, Syria, Libya, failed attempts - Venezuela, Belarus). And this is only for the last two decades.

            Quote: burger
            Quote: Sergey-1950
            At the same time, the standard of living in him will drop two times.

            Maybe we should not. When the last time their standard of living fell by five percent, the standard of living of Russians fell by fifty percent.

            And what of it? what do you mean by that?
            1. -2
              17 October 2021 10: 04
              Quote: Sergey-1950
              There is. Moreover, this is formalized by many organizations and bodies: first of all, NATO, now AUKUS has appeared, have not been dissolved, that is, they can be revived, SEATO, CENTO. NATO is a military organization with a military budget that is many times greater than the military budgets of the rest of the world.

              That is, some kind of Finland or Japan is not part of the West, because it is not part of NATO?
              Quote: Sergey-1950
              The West has several platforms for coordinating the actions of Western countries - the G7, the Davos Club, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Club and others. Why should they gather there far from prying eyes, if there is a G20, the UN and the General Assembly, the Security Council, finally?

              Features of thinking, belief in conspiracy theories, world secret governments, with a supernatural ability to influence social processes.
              Quote: Sergey-1950
              You impose the idea that there should be one dominant force in the world. And this is wrong. If there is no dominant force, the world will disintegrate into several regional trading zones. And thank God. The disintegration of the unipolar world is associated with the economic growth of China.
              The US can no longer dominate economically. At the same time, the West does not dare to use military force against countries that would have been gouged into dust 20 years ago.

              Thinking error. You think economics is the only criterion, but it is not. Japan is an example for you. The center, in addition to the economic one, should have cultural power, have value orientations, form ideas and meanings. Otherwise, it will be just one of the regional centers of the "West".
              1. 0
                17 October 2021 11: 36
                Quote: burger
                Quote: Sergey-1950
                There is. Moreover, this is formalized by many organizations and bodies: first of all, NATO, now AUKUS has appeared, ... SEATO, CENTO. NATO- ... having a military budget that is many times greater than the military budgets of the rest of the world.

                That is, some kind of Finland or Japan is not part of the West, because it is not part of NATO?

                Stupid question. It apparently reflects your idea of ​​the mental abilities of Russians.

                Quote: burger
                Quote: Sergey-1950
                The West has several platforms for coordinating the actions of Western countries - the G7, the Davos Club, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Club, etc.


                Features of thinking, belief in conspiracy theories, world secret governments, with a supernatural ability to influence social processes.

                Are you saying that the G7, the Davos Club, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Club and others exist only in my imagination?

                Quote: burger
                Quote: Sergey-1950
                You impose the idea that there should be one dominant force in the world. And this is wrong. ... the world will split into several regional trading zones. And thank God. The disintegration of the unipolar world is associated with the economic growth of China.
                The US can no longer dominate economically. At the same time, the West does not dare to use military ...

                Thinking error. You think economics is the only criterion, but it is not. Japan is an example for you. The center, in addition to the economic one, should have cultural power, have value orientations, form ideas and meanings. Otherwise, it will be just one of the regional centers of the "West".

                It's funny to read. What cultural influence has Japan had and on whom?
                But let's take a closer look at the "cultural" influence of the United States on the rest of the world. What have they given to the world? A stream of Hollywood shit that has long been sick of it. The world is watching this ... because the flow is powerful in quantitative terms. An individual person is not familiar with the world of film production. If he is offered 99% of trash films and one good one on the box, then with a probability of 99% he will watch bullshit.
                To laugh heartily, I watch something 30-year-old Hollywood from time to time. The films that were considered good then look cheap now. And at the same time, the films of real masters from Italy, France, Japan and the USSR, released in the 50-60-70s, do not lose their value even now.
                What else? Painting? "Paintings" by a monkey's paw? Books? Nothing significant after Hemingway. Europe as a whole has produced a much more significant literature that has influenced the development of mankind.
                And ... maybe you mean gum and cola? Then I give up.
                1. -1
                  21 October 2021 03: 06
                  Quote: Sergey-1950
                  Stupid question. It apparently reflects your idea of ​​the mental abilities of Russians.

                  Oh no, only yours. Stupidity has no nationality.
                  Quote: Sergey-1950
                  Are you saying that the G7, the Davos Club, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Club and others exist only in my imagination?

                  In your imagination, the influence of all these clubs on the processes in the world. Some Malcolm McLean has influenced the world immeasurably more than all the members of the Bilderberg Club put together.
                  Quote: Sergey-1950
                  It's funny to read. What cultural influence has Japan had and on whom?

                  The fact of the matter is that the minimum. The Russian Federation in the near historical perspective will not be able to achieve the economic power of Japan, but it never occurs to anyone to consider Japan a new world center.
                  Quote: Sergey-1950
                  But let's take a closer look at the "cultural" influence of the United States on the rest of the world. What have they given to the world? A stream of Hollywood shit that has long been sick of it. The world is watching this ... because the flow is powerful in quantitative terms. An individual person is not familiar with the world of film production. If he is offered 99% of trash films and one good one on the box, then with a probability of 99% he will watch bullshit.

                  Who makes you look shit? The USA has given a lot. Western culture dominates whether you like it or not. And the United States is one of the cultural centers of the West. To reduce everything to Hollywood is, shall we say, a strong simplification. You can be convinced of this by looking around you. Do you see manifestations of primordial Russian culture in anything? Only copies of Western designs, including American ones.
                  Quote: Sergey-1950
                  And ... maybe you mean gum and cola? Then I give up.

                  And this, too, is no worse than Russian vodka.
    14. 0
      17 October 2021 12: 37
      In general, looking at the Western European reality, you cease to understand the actions of their leadership. Germany and France are rapidly losing their identity, almost half of the population is not Europeans - this is according to official estimates. England is on its way, the mayor of London is Pakistani, Muslim. Elementary logic says that it is necessary to stimulate the birth rate of the local - Caucasian population, but there is a frenzied propaganda of all sorts of perversions - homosexuality, child free, etc. One gets the impression that they are living their last day.

    "Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

    “Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"