Revival of the Japanese aircraft carrier fleet

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Not very nice information. For the first time since 1945, a combat aircraft first took off from a Japanese ship and then boarded it. And, unfortunately, this is not a WWII movie.

This is reality.




Thus began a cycle of tests, which were supposed to test the possibility of basing and operating American F-35B aircraft from Japanese ships.

For this, the Japanese have such original ships as the Izumo-class helicopter destroyers.


The displacement of these ships is 19 tons standard and 500 tons full. It is not even "Admiral Kuznetsov" with its 27 tons, but if there are two, then it is almost our aircraft-carrying cruiser.

But the Japanese ships are not 40+ years old, but much less. We can say - new, ten years for two did not serve. With all the ensuing consequences.

These oversized destroyers can carry up to 28 aircraft each. That is, here too, each Izumo is like a half of Admiral Kuznetsov.


"Admiral Kuznetsov" in Japanese

But Japan's plans to modernize its destroyer-helicopter carriers to full-fledged aircraft carriers cannot be called peaceful and defensive, because, as practice has shown, an aircraft carrier is a way of projecting power to remote regions of the globe. And if, together with almost four dozen military destroyers fleet Japan - that fist turns out to be quite decent.

Yet Japan has already begun upgrading one of its aircraft-carrying warships, the Izumo, into a full-fledged aircraft carrier. And the cycle of the tests that have begun should find out to what extent the Izumo and, most likely, subsequently the second ship of the class, the Kaga, are suitable for basing the F-35B on them with further use.


Something tells me that Izumo and Kaga will do. Or the F-35B would be suitable for Japanese ships.

I wonder who came up with such a wonderful plan? Is everyone in Japan so susceptible to militaristic aspirations?

No, the idea, as usual, came from the other side of the Pacific Ocean. The American defense technology company General Atomics has proposed to the Japanese government to upgrade the destroyers-helicopter carriers into full-fledged aircraft carriers. Naturally, the F-35B should have become the basis for modernization.

And so, on October 3, 2021, two F-35B fighter-bombers piloted by pilots from the 242nd Fighter-Assault Squadron aviation United States Marine Corps, which is stationed in Japan at Iwakuni Air Force Base.

Naturally, up to this point, significant work has been carried out at Izumo: the landing and air traffic control systems have been modernized, power generation has been increased and the power supply lines have been significantly updated. But the main job was to apply a heat-resistant coating to the flight deck, since initially there were no plans to launch aircraft from Izumo.

Revival of the Japanese aircraft carrier fleet

From June 2020 to June 2021, work was carried out at Izumo by Japan Marine United in Yokohama.
The first stage of modernization work cost 3,1 billion yen (about 28 million dollars) and was mainly concerned with ensuring the possibility of basing the F-35B aircraft on Izumo.

The second stage of work will begin after the pilots complete the test flight cycle, that is, approximately at the beginning of 2025. During this stage, the shape of the bow of the ships will be changed, it will be expanded for a safer takeoff and landing of aircraft, the electronic-optical landing system JPALS will be installed, hangars and lifts will be completely re-equipped for aircraft, and the storage of fuel, oils, spare parts and components will be adjusted for new needs. ...

There are no plans to install springboards, relying on the F-35B's ability to take off and land almost vertically.

After the completion of two stages, Izumo will become a full-fledged light aircraft carrier, capable of carrying up to 16 aircraft.

The Kaga, the second aircraft carrier, is slated to take over next year. And to carry out all the work that will be done at Izumo in just a year.

In general, it cannot be said that the Izumo and Kaga destroyers-helicopter carriers will turn into full-fledged aircraft carriers. Rather, something similar to the Spanish ship "Juan Carlos First", the air group of which may consist of three dozen aircraft, including the F-35B. But the Spanish ship has a springboard that makes it easier for aircraft to take off, but on Japanese ships, pilots will have a little more difficulty.

In general, the two aircraft-carrying ships in the Asia-Pacific region, where a quiet confrontation between China and the United States is unfolding today, will not affect the peace in any way. On the contrary, most likely, the situation will gradually escalate.

It's no secret that the Japanese are gradually thawing out imperial ambitions, which seemed to be reliably frozen in 1945. But as practice shows, even the Constitution does not guarantee stability.


As we remember (and we remember) that in 1947, having qualitatively and calmly analyzed all the atrocities that the Japanese committed against the Chinese, Koreans, Mongols, the countries of the world community banned Japan from having an army. And just in case, it was fixed in the Constitution.

"Sincerely striving for an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as the nation's sovereign right, and the threat or use of armed force as a means of settling international disputes."
Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution

So, the basic law says that in Japan "never again will be created land, sea and air forces, as well as other means of war." In addition, the document clearly prohibits offensive war. Kind of like "for all time."

But it turned out that it was only 75 years old. And this "we can repeat" in the performance of Japan is not very pleasant, because Japan is clearly in a position to repeat. And the creation of an army instead of "self-defense forces", and the creation of a full-fledged military fleet with four aircraft-carrying ships, two of which will now be reformatted into aircraft carriers.

There is no doubt that the Japanese ships will, if necessary, line up with the American ones.


And not only during exercises. This is the price of an alliance. But the Japanese also have enough ambitious plans and territorial claims today. To Russia, to South Korea, for example.

So, of course, there is no doubt that the Japanese will use their fleet and army, which are regularly included in the top 10 of the world, exclusively for peaceful purposes of protecting their borders and territories. As it already happened in their stories.


It sounds, of course, very optimistic, but there is little faith in these words. Because indeed, such a developed country like Japan, and even with such support from the United States, can easily repeat it.

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  1. -4
    21 October 2021 05: 48
    can easily repeat.
    But will there be a signature of the Act of surrender aboard the Missouri?
    1. +14
      21 October 2021 07: 11
      1. Izumo and Kaga were originally built with a reinforced deck and the ability to accommodate VTOL aircraft.
      2. The main rival of the Japanese is China, the Russian Federation does not have the strength to land on the Japanese islands, as well as an equivalent TF.
      3. Our main deterrent to the Japanese fleet is nuclear weapons.
      1. +4
        21 October 2021 08: 46
        Quote: Civil
        ... the Russian Federation does not have the strength to land on the Japanese islands, as well as an equivalent TF.

        The Russian Federation does not, but the Japanese ..?
        Quote: Civil
        The main rival of the Japanese is China.

        Undoubtedly. Only China is building real aircraft carriers, and pretty quickly. What can "destroyer-helicopter carriers" be able to do against a classic aircraft carrier? So are these platforms being modernized against China ...
        Quote: Civil
        Our main deterrent to the Japanese fleet is nuclear weapons.

        Bye, yes ...
        1. +3
          21 October 2021 09: 55
          The Russian Federation does not, but the Japanese ..?

          3 tank landing helicopter carriers of the "Osumi" type, for example.
          What can "destroyer-helicopter carriers" be able to do against a classic aircraft carrier? So are these platforms being modernized against China ...

          Well, let's say while the PRC does not have a full-fledged one with a catapult. And do not belittle the capabilities of an air wing, say Fe-35 versus j-15, these are different generations.
          Quote: Doccor18
          Bye, yes ...

          What are the signs of rapid economic growth and revival? laughing
        2. +2
          21 October 2021 10: 28
          Only China is building real aircraft carriers, and pretty quickly. What can "destroyer-helicopter carriers" be able to do against a classic aircraft carrier?

          So far, China does not have real ejection carriers, and whether and when will be another question. A full-fledged catapult for an aircraft carrier is a very complex structure, unique, which is still being made only in the States and nowhere else.
          In addition, the F-35b is far from being a Harrier, and what the Chinese really did with deck-mounted ones is also a question.
          1. +2
            21 October 2021 15: 12
            Chinese aircraft carrier of the "Type 003" project, being equipped with an electromagnetic catapult.
            1. 0
              21 October 2021 16: 01
              Which hasn't been built yet ...
              1. +3
                21 October 2021 16: 08
                30.05.2021
                1. -1
                  21 October 2021 18: 18
                  You call it built?
                  1. 0
                    23 October 2021 13: 17
                    Yes, the militarization of Japan is underway. Where will this lead? ... History says that there is nothing good to expect ...what
                    1. 0
                      23 October 2021 13: 22
                      It won't be built soon
                      While China has no real ejection carriers
                      1. 0
                        23 October 2021 13: 25
                        Quote: Avior
                        It won't be built soon
                        While China has no real ejection carriers

                        That's how it is. But the trend ... And the Japanese are stubborn and diligent very ... smile
                      2. +3
                        23 October 2021 14: 26
                        the Japanese could not have been expected to be with a symbolic army for eternity. In any case, someday the situation would have changed.
                        As is the case with the Chinese.
                        Until recently, they laughed at the quality of Chinese goods, but they are already building aircraft carriers.
        3. +1
          22 October 2021 10: 30
          Not a fact, the United States seems to be able to act as a guarantor against a nuclear strike.
      2. -16
        21 October 2021 08: 57
        : 6-8 missiles (maximum 10) from "Bala" is enough for a light helicopter carrier
        And 500 km is quite enough.
        MAIN IMPORTANT to be in time
        1. +9
          21 October 2021 09: 39
          Batteries with anti-ship missiles are destroyed by aircraft BEFORE ships go to sea.
          and in the air in the region, the total dominance of Japan
          1. -5
            21 October 2021 12: 04
            Tim Werner & Co. Any suggestions? The Japanese can also "create" remote mining of the ONLY surface ship base in Vladivostok with the help of satellite-guided loitering ammunition. Moreover, there are practically no minesweepers at the Pacific Fleet.
            The samurai will have enough landing ships for both the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin.
            And Russia will not use nuclear weapons. As an option, "Daggers" for Japanese nuclear power plants.
            The truth is not everyone will be enough.
            1. +7
              21 October 2021 13: 24
              why not apply?
              1. 0
                21 October 2021 13: 51
                Conditions for Russia's use of nuclear weapons
                According to the doctrine / decree, the conditions for the use of nuclear weapons are:
                - receipt of reliable information about the launch of BALLISTIC missiles that attack the territory of Russia or its allies;
                - the use by the enemy of nuclear weapons or OTHER types of weapons of mass destruction against Russia or its allies;
                - the enemy's influence on the critical state or military facilities of Russia, the disabling of which will lead to the disruption of the response actions of the nuclear (!) Forces;
                - aggression against Russia with the help of conventional weapons, when the existence of the state is threatened.
                The decree says that "the Russian Federation considers nuclear weapons exclusively as a deterrent, the use of which is an extreme and forced measure."
                Nastya, what point can a Japanese local amphibious operation fall under?
                As far as I know (from the Soviet doctrine) TNW could be used on OWN territory captured by the enemy in order to stop the offensive.
                1. +6
                  21 October 2021 14: 13
                  - aggression against Russia with the help of conventional weapons, when the existence of the state is threatened.
                  this is the point when Vladivostok will be bombed, the Pacific Fleet will be destroyed, civilians will die in thousands, is this not a threat to the state?
                  1. 0
                    21 October 2021 14: 33
                    the existence of the state is threatened

                    И
                    is it not a threat to the state?

                    You missed the word "existence" and it changes the meaning a lot.
                    Threat
                    And why will Vladivostok be bombed?
                  2. 0
                    21 October 2021 18: 02
                    There is no threat to ALL the state - the country is large and the loss of one city with a million inhabitants and a couple of regions in the Far Eastern Federal District is not a reason for the immediate inevitable disintegration and disconnection of all other regions from Moscow. Also, during the occupation of Kaliningrad without the use of TNW, there will be no reason to burn out Europe from Poland to Portugal.
                    1. +3
                      21 October 2021 21: 15
                      Quote: evgen1221
                      There is no threat to ALL the state - the country is large and the loss of one million-plus city and a couple of regions in the Far Eastern Federal District is not a reason for immediate inevitable collapse
                      There is no reason for disintegration, but certainly for roasting the attacker.
                      Quote: evgen1221
                      Also, during the occupation of Kaliningrad without the use of TNW, there will be no reason to burn out Europe from Poland to Portugal.
                      Even as it will be.
                    2. 0
                      22 October 2021 07: 08
                      any concessions in case of aggression and the transfer of territories to the enemy is the death of the regime. there, too, are not fools.
                    3. +3
                      22 October 2021 07: 39
                      these are fairy tales otherwise they would have chopped off a long time ago
                      1. -2
                        22 October 2021 08: 54
                        And why should they take our territories directly? -We already fulfill almost any of their whims, resources, brains and money, where are they? The elite are guided by what and how are they talking, where is Courchevel? So, under the watchful eye, we ourselves work pretty well for them for beads, and at the same time we are proud of the achievements of the USSR in a country of a different formation. Fairy tales are just us the leader of the barefoot with a team of effective tell. Many people believe.
                      2. +1
                        22 October 2021 10: 40
                        and I think that no one will attack, everyone will buy for pieces of paper
                  3. +3
                    22 October 2021 10: 36
                    And no one will bomb Vladik, there will be a quick operation to capture smokers provided by the media and random exercises around the world, and then proposals for a settlement under pressure from the world community.
              2. -2
                22 October 2021 10: 33
                Due to the fact that there are things that are not used or you want your kids to burn out from a state blow.
                1. -1
                  22 October 2021 10: 40
                  so that Japanese children do not burn out, there will be no war
          2. 0
            21 October 2021 17: 42
            And aviation is destroyed by air defense systems - of which in the Far East we have more and more every year, and there is also a deterrent Strategic aviation, which can unleash more than 800 cruise missiles on Japan in the first raid.
            1. 0
              22 October 2021 10: 37
              There is no such air defense that cannot be penetrated.
              1. +1
                22 October 2021 18: 00
                The Japanese do not have as many planes as the equipment to break through what we have in the Far East.
          3. 0
            23 October 2021 16: 47
            Quote: Tim Werner
            Batteries with anti-ship missiles are destroyed by aircraft BEFORE ships go to sea.
            and in the air in the region, the total dominance of Japan

            Well, tell everyone, how will Japanese planes destroy our DBKs? And preferably without entering the coverage area of ​​our air defense?
      3. -1
        21 October 2021 09: 51
        They were originally built for PLO helicopters. The appearance of the F - 35 deck-based, prompted the samurai to convert them into very light aircraft carriers, not a fact. that such an alteration will have a positive result. The British and the USSR also started with helicopter carriers, "Invincible" and "Moscow", then smoothly drifted into light aircraft carriers with VTOL aircraft. But the practice of their application has shown that they are frankly weak against planes of normal take-off and landing. The samurai decided to step on the old rake - you can wish them success in their hopeless enterprise)))
        1. 0
          21 October 2021 14: 25
          Quote: TermNachTER
          The British and the USSR also started with helicopter carriers, "Invincible" and "Moscow", then smoothly drifted into light aircraft carriers with VTOL aircraft.

          The British drifted towards AB with VTOL aircraft at the design stage. They started with the TZ for a "control cruiser" with 6 helicopters, and built a light AB. smile
          And with them, most of the waltzing around the Invincibles was purely political. More precisely, with attempts to finance the design and construction of aircraft carriers through the Laborites, who from one word "aircraft carrier" were no worse than Admiral Amelko at the sight of a catapult. Therefore, it was necessary to disguise "Invincibles" under "control cruiser with a solid deck" and "anti-submarine cruiser". And even the "Harriers" on them were officially included in the PLO concept - as a means of intercepting Soviet reconnaissance aircraft and control units.
          1. +2
            21 October 2021 22: 56
            Well, "Kiev" too, at the design stage, decided to equip VTOL aircraft. But practice has shown that the concept turned out to be wrong. Verticals against planes with normal takeoff and landing "do not dance". The samurai decided to step on the old Anglo - Soviet rake, good luck to them)))
            1. 0
              22 October 2021 05: 05
              Quote: TermNachTER
              But practice has shown that the concept turned out to be wrong. Verticals against planes with normal takeoff and landing "do not dance".

              The F-35B are quite dancing.
              Difference in performance?
              Combat radius and no built-in cannon.
              If, as an air defense fighter of the ship's order, the F-35B abandons the stealth bogey and accepts additional explosive missiles for external suspension ... it is not yet known who will own the sea.
              And in this form, they will EXCELLENTly cope with any anti-ship missiles and, in general, any kind of anti-ship missiles.
              Quote: TermNachTER
              ... The samurai decided to step on the old Anglo - Soviet rake, good luck to them

              They are following in the footsteps of the United States, arming the ILC and their UDC with the F-35V VTOL aircraft.
              And in the same footsteps are all US allies who have access to the order of such aircraft.

              Do not confuse the clumsy first-generation subsonic VTOL aircraft with the highly advanced and not very different from the classic modern F-35B.
              You can argue all you want about the shortcomings of the F-35A and F-35C, but as a VTOL aircraft, the F-35B is very good.
              And it is he who will be able to become a very good help during the landing operation on the Kuril Islands.
              Don't forget, they are considered their own in Japan.
              And in the USA - Japanese.
              And after a quick takeover, both Japan and the United States will assume that the Yap are defending their own territory.
              With all that it implies.
              But the Kremlin did not even bother to strengthen the air component of the Pacific Fleet in the theater of operations.
              A finger on a finger has not been struck for the revival of the MPA, which could stop such threats.
              Almost nothing has been done to support the grouping of MAPLs and SSGNs at the Pacific Fleet with the help of local ship repair facilities. As a result, only TWO submarines are operational and ready - one submarine and one submarine.
              AND EVERYTHING !!!
              Dense diesel-electric submarines, including newly built ones and those under construction for the Pacific Fleet, will also not have much impact.
              As well as the built corvettes of the project 20380. It's just that their torpedoes have a range of 20 km, and the torpedoes of Japanese nuclear submarines - more than 50 km.
              Submarine aviation in a depressing state and lagged behind in technical and combat capabilities by half a century.
              But "cranes in the sky" and Usuri tiger cubs are more important.
              And general vaccination.
              1. -5
                22 October 2021 09: 48
                Well, first of all, the F - 35, in terms of maximum speed, is still inferior to an aircraft with a normal takeoff, and it is significant - 300 - 400 km / h. Second, how many F - 35 will fit on the Izumo? PCS. 8, if heavily in overload then 10. Even the "Kuzi", twice as much. Thirdly, even with an external suspension, the F - 35 still carries less than a normal takeoff aircraft. And fourthly, on the mattress UDC, the F - 35 replaces the "Harrier" attack aircraft to support the landed marines. Capturing air supremacy is not their task, aircraft from normal aircraft carriers will be engaged in this.
                1. +1
                  22 October 2021 12: 54
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  Well, first of all, the F - 35, in terms of maximum speed, is still inferior to an aircraft with a normal takeoff, and it is significant - 300 - 400 km / h.

                  At this point, it depends with whom to equate.
                  With the Su-34? So their speeds are the same.
                  Su-30SM (2100 km / h), MiG-35 (2100 km / h)? Rafale? "Hornet"?
                  Of course 1900 km / h will be less. But the overwhelming majority of air battles take place at subsonic speeds. Maximum speeds are either interception or separation. The thrust-to-weight ratio and maneuverable characteristics are of great importance.
                  But the main thing is the avionics and the quality of the weapon systems.
                  And with the latter, he (F-35V) is doing very well.
                  And if in the version of the VTOL F-35V it will score on stealth and take up arms on external suspensions, then it will be quite efficiently able to perform both air defense orders, strike missions, and the tasks of conquering air supremacy.
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  Secondly, how many F - 35 will fit on the Izumo? PCS. 8, if it is heavily in overload then 10. Even in "Kuzi", it is twice as much.

                  I think 10 - 12 pcs. for each of the two. And it will be like our "Kuzi". Yes
                  But only in 2 places at a time.
                  But our "Kuzi" will not be there for sure. It's a pity .
                  And 10 - 12 planes, this is a squadron. In modern aerospace forces, there are usually 2 (TWO) squadrons in one air regiment. To provide air defense orders and air support for the landing is quite enough. Especially if we take into account that in the region of the southern islands of the Kuril ridge, our base aviation will operate almost at the limit of its combat radius, but Japanese aircraft carriers will be nearby, as a result of which they will have an advantage in response time to a challenge and threat, and less depend on the remainder fuel during air combat. And this is not counting the numerous basic aviation of Japan, which will also be several times closer to these islands than our aviation from Primorye and Sakhalin.
                  Unlike you, I too well imagine what I am talking about, as an officer in the combat directorate of an air defense unit in the past. And as a person whose friends have served half their lives in Primorye, and one of them took part in the military council of the Pacific Fleet - on combat interaction from the air defense.
                  And I'm really worried about our position in that potential theater of operations.
                  And from a young, still cadet age, he got used to respecting the enemy, to study and soberly assess his real combat capabilities.
                  And if on our UDC, which is currently under construction, one of which will definitely go to the Far East by some miracle, there were similar VTOL aircraft, I would welcome it with both hands. Because it is possible to support our grouping on the islands on a short shoulder only from such a ship. And to cover from the air ships with reinforcements in the event of a real conflict, such VTOL aircraft from such a ship could also be able to, and their participation could literally become a key factor.
                  But the revived MRA could really correct the situation, even on the Su-34M, but with long-range anti-ship missiles. In many ways, it could neutralize Japan's total superiority at sea and in the air, endanger their landing forces and cover ships, their naval base and military airfields. On the whole, it is necessary to rapidly build up the Naval Aviation forces in the theater of operations in all its complex diversity - from fighter and anti-submarine warfare, to MRA and military transport, AWACS and UAVs of various types.

                  In the event of a real conflict, we will have to act in many theaters at the same time, so they will try to ensure this for us. And you have to be ready for this. Now is not the time for relaxed complacency.
                  1. -3
                    22 October 2021 13: 44
                    The Su - 34 is not a fighter. The 200 km / h advantage is a lot. Mattress makers are now very sorry that their F - 14s were not only written off, but already sawn. Now it turns out that the long-range interception zone of the AUG has sharply decreased, because the F - 18 is exactly the same 1900 km / h, which does not strongly correspond to the increased ranges of anti-ship missiles. 12 pieces - I am tormented by vague doubts. Britts, on the "Invincible" - about the same size, during the Falklands war, they kept 8 pieces, I can believe that you can take 10. But then - where to get extra kerosene and b / c, for two extra boards? "Eat" he be healthy))) eight tons for one, 16 tons for two, two flights a day 32 tons. Etc.
                    1. +1
                      22 October 2021 14: 06
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      Su - 34 is not a fighter

                      So the F-35 is positioned more as an unobtrusive strike aircraft.
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      The 200 km / h advantage is a lot.

                      Come on, this is not Formula 1. Our MiG-25 (and MiG-31) had (and have) a speed of up to 3000 km / h, and the F-15 declared 2650 km / h ... F-14 and even less - 2500 km / h.
                      Well, what advantage did this give the MiG-25 in battle with them?
                      The MiG-25 was also shot down by the Israeli F-15, and the Iranian F-14 also shot down it.
                      He also shot down the MiG-25 of the Israeli F-15, which the Israelis traditionally do not admit.
                      But did the MiG-25 have a real advantage?
                      Cumulatively?
                      Not .
                      In my entire service, I have never seen a MiG-25 reach speeds above 2500 km / h. True, he held it for 22 - 25 minutes.
                      And no one has ever seen the F-2650 develop 15 km / h. Except perhaps that very one - a record flight on a specially prepared and lightweight one, from which everything that was possible was removed in order to achieve the desired. Real observations (location) never showed more than 1700 km / h (practical observations).
                      So a difference of 200 km / h is nonsense. More important is maneuverability and thrust-to-weight ratio, and most importantly - avionics, for close maneuverable combat happens less and less, but long-range, from the enemy's invisibility mode - more and more often.
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      vague doubts plague me. Britons, on the "Invincible" - about the same size, during the Falklands War, they kept 8 pieces,

                      In my opinion, the Japanese have a wider deck, and there is no springboard on it. This contributes to the basing of more VTOL aircraft.
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      But then - where to get extra kerosene and b / k, for two extra boards? "Eat" he be healthy))) eight tons for one, for two 16 tons, two flights a day 32 tons.

                      And what are the supply ships for?
                      Yapi will fight near their shores. So at least every day they will be able to refuel their aircraft carriers. And replenish the bookmaker.
                      1. -4
                        22 October 2021 14: 15
                        An extra 200 km / h means that an aircraft launched from the deck will cover an extra 50-60 km in the same time. This means that it will have time to intercept the carrier before the launch of the anti-ship missile system, and the F - 18 (F - 35) will not have time. As practice has shown, since WWII, carrying aircraft on the flight deck is not the best solution. And already filled and with a suspended b / k, and generally fraught with various bad accidents. A universal supply transport is just great, with one caveat - deep enough in the rear, where the likelihood of an enemy aircraft (PL) appearing is practically zero. If the probability is high enough, then sending TCB there is not the smartest decision. And if the Su - 34 "captures" the samurai at the time of transfer, then it will be bad not only for transport))))
                  2. +3
                    22 October 2021 14: 37
                    And the Su-33 could still be produced. It is not out of date. At the plant, the groundwork and components for another 5-6 cars remained. One new board became a monument there ... The fleet did not take it!
                    There were projects of two-seater Su-33UB and even one such was made. There were still some groundwork.
                    But Poghosyan crushed everything. And the fleet was not interested.
                    And I think you probably know that the Su-33 of Timur Apakidze, that due to a breakdown in 1992, could not leave the Crimea and go north, so it remained there until it was declared the property of Ukraine.
                    And for more than 10 years it remained forgotten until the Chinese found out about it and bought it from Ukraine. It was he who became the prototype for the Chinese clone of the Su-33 and its two-seat version.
                    So, the Chinese from the Crimea carried this plane through the entire territory of Russia and no one did anything.
                    Although I think Ukraine did not have any right to that plane, and even more so to dispose of it.
                    Or ours could redeem it so that no one would get it. After all, there are so few of them, and 6 out of 25 built have already crashed.
      4. +1
        22 October 2021 02: 24
        I completely agree. Japan has been quietly "sculpting" beautiful ships for a very long time. He served in the Navy in the 80s, crossed on a collision course with Japanese frigates (the newest). And we are in a 30-year-old TFR converted from a large minesweeper. They were accompanied by a transport with warheads.
      5. -3
        22 October 2021 08: 24
        Do not overestimate, the range of action of the F-35 with this method of takeoff and landing is sharply reduced, and it still carries weapons, you can recall our Yak-38, the visibility of aviation!
        1. 0
          22 October 2021 13: 12
          Quote: 73bor
          , you can recall our Yak-38, the visibility of aviation

          And you can recall the Yak-141, which set a couple of dozen world records and had a combat radius (from 2 tons of combat load) to 800 km. , like the modern F-35V.
          The Yak-38 was our first VTOL aircraft and really had the nickname "mast guard aircraft" for its too small combat radius. but that was during vertical takeoff and landing. But when they learned to take off while jogging, the radius immediately increased, and the payload doubled.
          And when it was replaced by the Yak-38M (Yak-39) with a new engine and updated avionics, it was already quite a sane deck attack aircraft, which surpassed the Harrier in every way. But not the Super Harrier, which the British had later.
    2. 0
      21 October 2021 13: 18
      It's funny if the joint squadron was missed by the Sangar Strait.
    3. 0
      22 October 2021 08: 20
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      But will there be a signature of the Act of surrender aboard the Missouri?

      Or the signature of the peace treaty at Postmouth.
    4. 0
      23 October 2021 04: 36
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      But will there be a signature of the Act of surrender aboard the Missouri?

      What's the point? In the event of a full-scale war, if the Missouri survives, then everything else is most likely not. What's the point of signing something with the crew of the ship? Well, except for the employment contract ..
  2. 0
    21 October 2021 05: 54
    These ships are original only in name, and so they were light helicopter carriers and will become aircraft carriers.
  3. 0
    21 October 2021 06: 01
    As far as aviation is concerned, I have a question for local professionals. With this landing and takeoff, how much fuel will remain for combat work? Drones refueling will be on duty?
    1. +4
      21 October 2021 06: 35
      Duc, you need to read the performance characteristics of the aircraft - it indicates what its radius of use with a full supply of fuel is, because a priori it is assumed that part of the fuel is used for takeoff and landing wink hi
      Quote: ASAD
      With this landing and takeoff, how much fuel will remain for combat work?
    2. +3
      21 October 2021 09: 23
      Quote: ASAD
      With this landing and takeoff, how much fuel will remain for combat work? Unmanned aerial vehicles will

      for example, the F-35B can carry four AIM-120 V-B missiles in its internal compartments, which will weigh less than 800 kilograms, with a maximum payload of 6 800 kilograms, most likely with such ammunition it will take off vertically, even if it will lose about 30% of its radius actions (by analogy with the Yak-38 during vertical takeoff). A.Mitrofanov, VO 24.09.2021

      1240 km. - 30% = 868 km ...
      1. +2
        21 October 2021 09: 33
        Thank you, but vertical landing will consume even more fuel.
        1. +2
          21 October 2021 09: 53
          Well, the design of the engine on the F - 35 is a little more modern than that of the Yak - 38. They have a fan instead of an elevator.
        2. +3
          21 October 2021 10: 35
          Fuel consumption during vertical landing is much less than during takeoff. And the plane is lighter - the fuel has already been depleted during the flight
  4. +3
    21 October 2021 06: 03
    Well, yes, he can repeat it.
    And if this time he chooses an ally more successfully, then he will be able to sign the act of surrender from the other side.
    And if you count how many of their potential opponents in a hypothetical war have the same ally, then the choice of options who will sign the losers is not so great - China (which is unlikely) and us (which is very regrettable).
  5. +3
    21 October 2021 06: 07
    The Chinese and Koreans hate the Japanese. Very much. And this hatred, especially among Koreans, is inherited and in my opinion it is only getting stronger. They will be torn apart in a stateless region. Of course, remembering about the past, you should be wary of these steps. Only I'm afraid the states are once again betting on the wrong ones. The balance for China that they mold from Japan will immediately turn into their headache in the future.
    1. +5
      21 October 2021 06: 38
      The Philippines also suffered from the Japanese, but did not see any aggression or discontent in their direction. But against the dominance of the Chinese, they watched rallies.
      1. -1
        21 October 2021 08: 58
        Filipinos are apparently calmer. And in the South Caucasus it is practically psychosis.
    2. -2
      21 October 2021 18: 10
      The five-minute broadcast of ancient propaganda propaganda is over. The Chinese, yes, they do not like the Japanese, but the South Koreans and the Japanese in the same boat under the wing of the Americans are forced to sail and therefore work together for the good of America, it follows that the Americans will in every possible way prevent mutual strife between them, which they are doing quite successfully. The Germans also burned the Poles en masse, and what? -Under the wing of NATO, both countries are now good friends, also in the Asia-Pacific region with the Japanese.
      1. -1
        21 October 2021 21: 33
        Do you even read before you answer?) I said that the only thing that holds everyone back is the states. Without them, the Japanese would have been torn apart by everything in Asia. As for antiquity, then

        This is 13.
  6. -20
    21 October 2021 06: 19
    It is necessary for each aircraft carrier to prepare its own set of Daggers.
    Eleven US aircraft carriers plus two Japanese plus 1 British plus one French ... 15 pieces of ten missiles each for a total of 150 missiles.
    We must now work out the tactics of dealing with the aircraft carriers of a potential enemy. smile
    We must prepare for war with them now ... then it will be too late.
    1. +9
      21 October 2021 06: 28
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is necessary for each aircraft carrier to prepare its own set of Daggers.
      Eleven US aircraft carriers plus two Japanese plus 1 British plus ...

      So far, everything is exactly the opposite.
      The naval missile-carrying aviation has been liquidated and is not going to be revived.
      Likewise, there is no information about plans to revive naval aerial reconnaissance. And without target designation, make at least 150 missiles, at least 100500, you will not be able to use them.
      1. -15
        21 October 2021 06: 31
        And without target designation, make at least 150 missiles, at least 100500, you will not be able to use them.

        Everything is so ... but the Daggers are already being produced ... it means that there is some kind of guidance system for them ... they will not be launched into the sky for force.
        1. +11
          21 October 2021 06: 32
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          it means that there is some kind of guidance system. for them ... they will not be launched into the sky for force

          Why are you so sure about that?
          I, for example, would not be surprised.
          1. -10
            21 October 2021 06: 36
            Why are you so sure about that?

            A lot of money has been invested in the creation of the Daggers ... they are not made for fireworks.
            Just to shoot into the sky with this weapon to intimidate is too expensive even for our country.
            And wasting millions of budget money what ... for this, a tribunal and an unknown plaque in the cemetery are due.
            1. 0
              21 October 2021 06: 57
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              A lot of money has been invested in the creation of the Daggers ... they are not made for fireworks.

              And how many of those Daggers did they make? 5 items?
              Now do Gremlins, or what are they?
              And they are also remaking the X32, parallel to the X132 (or whatever it is), in parallel, a couple of more missiles ...
              But about the new IL38 or their replacement on new sides, you can't hear something,
              They do what happens, not what is needed.
              squandering millions of budget money in vain ...
              it's good to be young, naive ...
              Although no, disappointment awaits, and this can be very unhealthy.
              1. -12
                21 October 2021 07: 28
                And how many of those Daggers did they make? 5 items?

                I do not know ...
                it's good to be young, naive ...

                I am no longer young and not naive. smile
                It's just that there is information in general use for us by you ... and there is non-public information for us by you ... to which we do not have access.
                What is the actual situation with these things, you and I do not know.
                You don't learn much from open sources. what
            2. +6
              21 October 2021 08: 59
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Why are you so sure about that?

              And wasting millions of budget money what ... for this, a tribunal and an unknown plaque in the cemetery are due.

              God, what country are you from? China, Singapore?
              1. -5
                21 October 2021 09: 58
                God, what country are you from? China, Singapore?

                From Russia, dear ... from Russia. smile
                1. +4
                  21 October 2021 13: 12
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  God, what country are you from? China, Singapore?

                  From Russia, dear ... from Russia. smile

                  Then, for squandering millions of budget money, you are entitled to a couple of villas in Europe, offshore accounts, children in the USA, governorship in one of the regions, membership in the EP, without membership you will sit
            3. +4
              21 October 2021 09: 56
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              And squandering millions of budget money in vain ... a tribunal is required for this.

              Life shows that now orders are given for this and they move vertically. Expecting otherwise in vain
              1. 0
                21 October 2021 10: 00
                Expecting otherwise in vain

                I expect ... oddly enough ... smile
                there were times in our history when, instead of orders for sins, a fairer reward was given in Magadan and Kolyma.
                1. 0
                  21 October 2021 14: 36
                  There were such times in the history of the USSR.
            4. -1
              23 October 2021 04: 04
              Ridiculous)) Tribunal for squandering?
              Well, how is it?
      2. 0
        21 October 2021 17: 45
        All target designation reconnaissance has long been available - in the form of over-the-horizon radars and satellite guidance, the same Liana. The dagger is in service - without target designation, no one would take them into service.
    2. 0
      21 October 2021 21: 22
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      It is necessary for each aircraft carrier to prepare its own set of Daggers.
      The dagger will hit the aircraft carrier only if it is at the pier and does not intend to go anywhere. There is no aeroballistic anti-ship missile system based on the Dagger.
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Eleven US aircraft carriers plus two Japanese plus 1 British plus one French ... 15 pieces of ten missiles each for a total of 150 missiles.
      We don't have that many Dagger carriers. And you need to apply at once, otherwise then they will not be allowed to apply. It would be another matter if the Dagger had a special. BCH ... But she's not there.
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      We must now work out the tactics of dealing with the aircraft carriers of a potential enemy. smile
      We must prepare for war with them now ... then it will be too late.
      Necessary. Only here the Dagger is irrelevant.
  7. +5
    21 October 2021 10: 04
    Attempts to humiliate any country with invented restrictions do not lead to anything good, "has no right to have an army ..." what kind of nonsense? Germany, too, humiliate after the First World War, and how did it end?
  8. +3
    21 October 2021 10: 43
    As we remember (and we remember) that in 1947, having qualitatively and calmly analyzed all the atrocities that the Japanese committed against the Chinese, Koreans, Mongols, the countries of the world community banned Japan from having an army.

    was not actually prohibited. Formally, it was definitely not prohibited, there is no international agreement or official decision in this regard
    And just in case, it was fixed in the Constitution.

    Only the Constitution is an internal Japanese document. If they deem it necessary, they can change it.
    Not to mention the fact that the interpretation of the Japanese Constitution is a domestic Japanese matter.
    And between a preventive defensive war and an offensive one, the difference is very fragile. Who will interpret how.
  9. -4
    21 October 2021 10: 51
    The Japanese are more than 125 million. It is vital for them to expand their territory in the future. So they are getting ready. And the people are proactive, intelligent, educated. Military traditions are centuries old. The spirit of the samurai and so on and so forth. Technological capabilities +, powerful reliable ally +.
    We have a dangerous neighbor ...
    1. -4
      21 October 2021 12: 21
      This is before the first nuclear strike ... before the first nuclear strike ...
      Maybe they will remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki ...

      And so - these Japanese had to think whether it was worth attacking Russia. Yesterday, in response to the claims of the new prime minister against the Kuril Islands, the volcano exploded by force ... Only the Japanese gods themselves are against the war ...
  10. -1
    21 October 2021 12: 24
    This means that a serious positioning area equipped with SCRC systems should appear on the Kuril Islands. Somewhere under Vladik, a couple of locators, for control and a double ATGM
    1. -1
      21 October 2021 12: 48
      Yes exactly. They strengthen the army and we must be strong.
  11. +2
    21 October 2021 12: 59
    Repeatedly expressed in discussions of articles on the Far East the need to build a second missile defense positioning area in Primorye (an analogue of the missile defense missile defense system of the Moscow region). In the light of the latest news on the arms race of the Southeast Asian countries, including South Korea and Japan, I also consider it absolutely necessary, before the appearance of anti-missile defense systems, to do the following:
    1) Saturate Primorye, Sakhalin Island and Kuriles with air defense, electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems, attack cruise missiles
    2) Accelerate the construction of diesel-electric submarines 636.3 for the Pacific Fleet and increase the series to 12 units, work out a scheme for dispersing new attack diesel-electric submarines and include two new temporary deployment points in it - Vanino-Sov. Gavan and Simushir Island (Broughton Bay)
    3) Accelerate work on the creation of a large military airfield on Sakhalin Island with two runways of 3 km and the ability to receive up to 120-150 aircraft. aircraft at a time, including the attack Tu-22M3M, Su-34, Su-30 and Su-35, the RER, EW and AWACS aircraft, as well as the TZ and the amphibious assault vehicle. Provide for the deployment of airborne personnel of the Airborne Forces division, technical personnel and flight personnel for up to 6 months. on a rotational basis. With a frequency of once every 1 years, arrange a demonstrative seizure of the islands of the Kuril ridge by the forces of the Airborne Forces, the Navy and the Marine Corps, practicing the capture of Fr. Hokkaido and blocking the Tsugaru Strait, capture or destruction of the naval base in Mitsu.
    4) Consider a project for the construction of a full-fledged naval base in Fokino, Danube and Putyatin Island, capable of receiving ships of rank 1 and 2 in the number of triple composition of the Pacific Fleet for NK and submarines.
    5) Conduct war games to repel a joint Japanese-American attack on Sakhalin, Kamchatka and Primorye with the development of effective measures to repel aggression, the complete destruction of the Japanese fleet and military infrastructure by massive non-nuclear missile strikes.
    5) Accelerate the saturation of the Pacific Fleet with rank 3-4 surface ships, including RTOs equipped with Kalibr strike missiles, etc.
    6) Accelerate work to complete the modernization of naval bases in Viluchinsk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky with the saturation of the staff with new submarines and NKs.
    7) Extend the series of universal DKVD projects under construction in Kerch to 6 units, 2 of which will be sent to the Far East
    8) At Shipyard Zvezda, after launching the PD-50 floating dock, start the construction of a series of 6-9 ships of the 1st rank (Project 22350 frigates or destroyers of a new project).
    9) Together with China, work out interaction on blocking the Tsushima Strait and the East China Sea for Japanese and American forces, destroying the US military infrastructure in Japan and South Korea and delivering strikes on Guam

    This is for a start to cool some Japanese hotheads!
    1. 0
      21 October 2021 14: 42
      I do not agree with everything with your statements:
      1- no questions, I definitely agree here.
      2 - and here there are questions. How will submarines help in the Pacific against Japan? Which, in the event of a conflict, will have air dominance. Its submarine aviation (which is both more numerous and more modern for them) will interfere in every possible way, and even destroy the ships. How submarines will help us. But they also have on the territory of the country itself, many air bases from which patrols can be conducted to intercept and destroy our own calibers or other missiles. Submarines will not help us much. Air defense / missile defense ships will be needed there.
      3 - in principle, not bad, but I think it would be better to build not one large airfield, but 3-4 smaller ones, to disperse forces. In addition, the different location will allow, in the event of an attack (or expectation of an attack), to redeploy aviation to a more distant airfield. Still different airfields in different places from the coast, allow you to quickly get to different waters of the Pacific Ocean.
      4 is also a good idea. But as in the previous point, I would have made not one base, but 2-3, dal all the same dispersion of forces.
      5 - Exercises and games are sometimes carried out. We really should have done it more often and more regularly, but the problem is that the army and navy in the Far East are not provided with those resources. which she will need in a hypothetical battle with Japan, which means she has nothing to learn from.
      6 - partially answered in the second paragraph. First of all, it is necessary to provide protection against missiles of the Japanese aviation and navy. That is why, first of all, we saturate air defense / missile defense ships. It is better to develop strike weapons on ships of higher rank. The Pacific Ocean, a harsh place, and its best use is to use the entire depth and area of ​​this ocean, and this requires ocean-class ships capable of going deep into the sea and from there to strike or intercept enemy ships.
      7 - the same. But for such a complex region as the Pacific Ocean, 3 ships are probably better suited.
      8 - In principle, a good idea, but I suspect Zvezda will be busy with commercial orders for many years to come.
      9 - the same problem as in war games. We can work it out, but we do not yet have the necessary vessels for this. And it is unlikely that China will begin to openly participate in exercises that work out countermeasures to its trading partner and ally of its largest trading partner.
      1. 0
        21 October 2021 15: 12
        On diesel-electric submarines - they are drums with KR Caliber, and against 40 EMs of the Japanese Navy can work with great recoil. Why 12 - the presence of 5 diesel-electric submarines of project 877 is too small for such a large theater, the addition of 6 units. The diesel-electric submarine of project 633.6 closes the Sea of ​​Japan, but diesel-electric submarines are also needed to work from Vilyuchinsk - cover from a breakthrough into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the protection of the Kuriles, in addition to work to support the exits of nuclear submarines jointly by the NK.
        On the airfields - the rest are there, they just need to be updated! There is no need to fence in too much, use civilians as alternate airfields.
        About Zvezda - as far as I understood, 2 of the 3 production lines of the slipway operate in a civilian manner, as well as a dry dock - they began to lay out the first Super Icebreaker there. They are making a floating dock for the Navy, so most likely one line on this topic will continue to work.
        Regarding the UDKVD - 10 can be, but where from to park and it will be expensive. And 2 is just right, one is working, the other is at home and being renovated.
    2. -1
      21 October 2021 21: 36
      Quote: Bekasov Artem Andreevich
      1) Saturate Primorye, Sakhalin Island and Kuriles with air defense, electronic warfare and electronic warfare systems, attack cruise missiles
      Yeah, expose expensive equipment at the first blow. On the skeletons there should be something that will allow them to hold out until the main forces approach, the rest should come from the mainland. Well, or build a full-fledged bastion, protected from threats from the air, and from the sea, and from saboteurs, and from a blockade (reserves), etc.
      Quote: Bekasov Artem Andreevich
      2) Accelerate the construction of diesel-electric submarines 636.3 for the Pacific Fleet and increase the series to 12 units, work out a scheme for dispersing new attack diesel-electric submarines and include two new temporary deployment points in it - Vanino-Sov. Gavan and Simushir Island (Broughton Bay)
      Varshavyanka are outdated and decent.
      Quote: Bekasov Artem Andreevich
      To speed up work on the creation of a large military airfield on Sakhalin Island with two runways of 3 km and the ability to receive up to 120-150 aircraft. aircraft at a time, including the attack Tu-22M3M, Su-34, Su-30 and Su-35, the RER, EW and AWACS aircraft, as well as the TZ and the airborne VTA. Provide for the placement of airborne personnel of the Airborne Forces division, technical personnel and flight personnel for a period of up to 6 months.
      First of all, you need to understand how to supply all this joy on Sakhalin during the threatened period. And yes, the airfield is a good thing.
      Quote: Bekasov Artem Andreevich
      4) Consider a project for the construction of a full-fledged naval base in Fokino, Danube and Putyatin Island, capable of receiving ships of rank 1 and 2 in the number of triple composition of the Pacific Fleet for NK and submarines.
      For whom? What are you going to base there?
      Quote: Bekasov Artem Andreevich
      5) Accelerate the saturation of the Pacific Fleet with rank 3-4 surface ships, including RTOs equipped with Kalibr strike missiles, etc.
      There are serious seas, ships with a displacement of less than 6000 tons do not dance, our 4000-ton ships will be very sad to storm.
      Quote: Bekasov Artem Andreevich
      6) Accelerate work to complete the modernization of naval bases in Viluchinsk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky with the saturation of the staff with new submarines and NKs.
      This case!
      Quote: Bekasov Artem Andreevich
      8) At Shipyard Zvezda, after launching the PD-50 floating dock, start the construction of a series of 6-9 ships of the 1st rank (Project 22350 frigates or destroyers of a new project).
      Yes, it would be nice in any case, but would it be pulled within a reasonable time frame (2-3 years on a ship, not 10 years)?
    3. -1
      23 October 2021 04: 09
      Can you still offer to raise the morale to the real one?
      This is how much "your" money you asked to spend on the country's defense ...
      Who needs it?
  12. -2
    21 October 2021 13: 18
    Well, they can repeat that. Try at least. Only now is another century - ever faster, more destructive, more precisely. Japan is essentially a highly concentrated production, high population density, accumulations of complex and expensive infrastructure, increased dependence on international supplies of resources and energy resources, etc. Generally speaking, it is now a fragile clockwork, which is effective only for the time being, until it is hit a couple of times with a hammer. At the beginning of the 20th century, for this it was necessary to defeat the Japanese fleet, land in the colonies, land in the metropolis, fight with ground forces and overcome guerrilla warfare, etc. All this remained in BB2 + Japanese aviation was added. But the Americans chose a slightly different method - they methodically knocked out the Japanese merchant and transport fleet and destroyed industrial and logistics hubs in Japan itself. And it broke the back of all their stoned samurai. That was 75 years ago - what has changed for the better for Japan during this time? Nothing) Industry has become even more crowded, colonies and fortified areas have lost, dependence on international supplies has become even greater, opportunities for production "on the knee" in the event of a dropout of supplies or large enterprises or an energy crisis has become even less. That is, Japan is still an extremely vulnerable target for high-precision weapons and weapons of mass destruction, and in general for any protracted hostilities taking place at a certain distance from the metropolis, as well. This vulnerability must be used to its fullest - in this case, Japanese militarism will sit on the priest exactly as it did.
  13. -2
    21 October 2021 13: 45
    The next logical stage for Japan is the possession of nuclear submarines and the development of their own missile launchers. And for the CD, there is already a BR with a filling, and I am more than sure that they already have drawings of the filling. And there already the Kurils can be returned back, no one will breed an atomic war for small islands
    1. 0
      21 October 2021 17: 50
      By this time, as they have ICBMs with nuclear warheads, the entire Far East will be covered by the C 500 - and they will be the same on the islands - they will be shot down immediately. So with nuclear weapons, the same bummer awaits them.
      1. -1
        21 October 2021 18: 51
        Dreaming is not harmful
        1. 0
          21 October 2021 22: 33
          Yes, Japan has a dream about ICBMs with nuclear weapons - and our S 500s are already coming into service.
  14. +1
    21 October 2021 16: 31
    I'm afraid that in a couple of years Japan will not have time for that ....
  15. 0
    21 October 2021 18: 35
    The stronger Japan is militarily, the better.
    China, the main geopolitical adversary of the West (in a broad sense, together with Japan and other Asian countries), in the presence of a powerful military counterbalance, will strive to "befriend" Russia, which means that any desire for Russian lands will not be in the first place.
    In addition, there is one more point: China lives off the huge volume of exports of goods. He CANNOT threaten, let alone use nuclear weapons - the outside world will simply stop having anything to do with him. It is not comfortable to live without Chinese goods, but it is possible.
    By the way, the Russian Federation, by the way, to protect its territory (if this hardly represented option happens), may well demonstrate its determination to use nuclear weapons, for example, to protect its islands - there is practically nothing to lose in terms of allies and trading partners. And on its territory or in neutral waters it is easy.
    China has yet to determine the value of human life, and the West (including Japan) has long sought to minimize losses. So nothing threatens Russia - from Japan and so on.
  16. +3
    21 October 2021 19: 40
    Japan is a highly developed country. She is able to build (and builds) excellent warships and submarines.
    1. 0
      21 October 2021 22: 34
      And Russia is capable of creating excellent hypersonic anti-ship missiles.
  17. -1
    21 October 2021 21: 58
    "The countries of the world community forbade Japan to have an army. And just in case, it was fixed in the Constitution."
    Hello there.
    There is the Potsdam Declaration.
    Which served as the basis for Japan's surrender.
    Where does it say that Japan cannot have an army?
  18. +2
    21 October 2021 22: 28
    In early October, they wrote about it, almost the same thing, only without water.
    https://topwar.ru/187781-vpervye-posle-vtoroj-mirovoj-vojny-s-japonskogo-avianosca-vzleteli-samolety.html#comment-id-11831482
  19. 0
    22 October 2021 18: 25
    "A wise man will always find a way not to start a war." Isoroku Yamamoto)
  20. 0
    28 October 2021 19: 15
    And we are quietly fading away ...
  21. 0
    24 November 2021 22: 41
    [i] [/ i] The author through repeats that Japan is a highly developed country, question ?. And who hindered and is hindering Russia from being highly developed, capitalism has been in the country for 30 years, and we eat up what was done under socialism under the USSR and the military-industrial complex, this is the legacy of the USSR.
  22. 0
    25 November 2021 01: 06
    It is necessary to sell the Kuril Islands to China. Until it's not too late... :(
  23. 0
    25 November 2021 01: 07
    Quote: Vadim237
    And Russia is capable of creating excellent hypersonic anti-ship missiles.

    At least cartoons about missiles can definitely create ...
  24. 0
    25 November 2021 01: 08
    Quote: SHAH
    [i] [/ i] The author through repeats that Japan is a highly developed country, question ?. And who hindered and is hindering Russia from being highly developed, capitalism has been in the country for 30 years, and we eat up what was done under socialism under the USSR and the military-industrial complex, this is the legacy of the USSR.

    Why are you asking this question here? Do you think Putin reads this site?
  25. 0
    22 December 2021 21: 17
    The US is clearly coaching Japan into a conflict with Russia.

    It is clear that this will not be under Putin, but after him, during a period of some kind of crisis.

    Our task is to prepare for this and prevent Japan from attacking us either separately or together with the United States.
  26. 0
    28 December 2021 23: 59
    Can anyone explain why small island states like Britain or Japan are behaving so brazenly? Indeed, if something happens, it is much easier to grind them into powder than even the rest of Europe, not to mention large countries. They will arrange a vigorous genocide and there will be nowhere to go. And then ambition. Only pshek and ukrainians will be lighter.