Reaction to the tragedy in Kazan: it will be more difficult for Russians to acquire weapons

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It is a well-known fact that the "Kazan shooter" used weaponacquired by him completely legally. Therefore, a whole set of decisions concerns measures to toughen the receipt of weapons by Russian citizens - as a reaction to the tragedy in Kazan. The first of these is the increase in the age to become its owner. If earlier it was 18 years old, then at the moment the applicant must be 21 years old.

Also, at the initiative of the National Guard, everyone who wants to become the owner of a weapon, before receiving a license to acquire one, will have to go through a special check. This procedure will be carried out by joint forces of both the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB. Upon its completion, the employees of the aforementioned departments will decide whether this or that person can own a "firearm".



In fact, this initiative is nothing new. Such a check is a normal and customary practice when admitting Russian citizens to most power structures. In this case, only the circle of persons subject to verification is expanded. As of today, the information about exactly what changes this procedure will undergo in view of the fact that the “siloviki” will have to deal with civilians is still closed.

Nevertheless, this has its own meaning, dictated, again, by recent sad events. After all, not knowing the exact meaning and order of the procedure, it will be many times more difficult for the alleged owner of the weapon to “secure himself” by distorting certain information and facts in advance, thereby misleading the competent authorities.

Passing such a test will not be difficult for a normal and law-abiding person. However, those persons who, according to experts, may pose an "increased danger" to both citizens and society, will be refused a license. The corresponding amendments to the Law "On Weapons" regulating this procedure provide for an exception only for military and civil servants.

Doing so should prevent the possibility of weapons falling into the wrong hands. This means persons who are members of organized criminal groups, terrorists and extremists. Also important is the fact that this initiative will affect not only those citizens who first decided to purchase a weapon, but also those who already own it. On the basis of the same check, previously issued permits for the possession, use or storage of weapons may be canceled.

At the moment, according to the bill adopted by the State Duma, a number of persons are a priori not eligible for a license. These include citizens with two or more convictions, car owners who have received an administrative penalty for drunk driving or who have allowed other persons under the influence of alcohol to drive their vehicles. It will also affect those drivers who have refused a medical examination.

Regarding the latter, that is, the medical examination, there were also some changes and know-how in the form of a new article of the law "On weapons", which sounds like "Medical contraindications to the possession of weapons, the procedure for their identification."

On the basis of it, persons who have not passed a medical examination in the prescribed manner are deprived of the right to acquire, store and use weapons. This type of medical examination must include such items as a psychiatric examination and a chemical-toxicological study for the presence of narcotic, psychotropic substances in the human body, as well as metabolites. Information about diseases, including those that do not allow a citizen to acquire a license for a weapon or own it, will be entered into a single register available to the National Guard.

Without a doubt, the aforementioned legislative initiatives will have ardent opponents and critics who will not fail to reproach the domestic authorities for yet another “tightening the screws”. Yes, now it will become even more difficult for Russians to acquire weapons. What can you do - for the safety of ourselves and our children, something will inevitably have to be sacrificed. True, these decisions do not cause, shall we say, delight among law-abiding citizens, including those engaged in hunting. The main argument against toughening is that it will primarily hit not the "crazy", but the respectable Russians who want to become the owners of a smoothbore. But this medal, as they say, also has two sides.
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  1. -19
    13 October 2021 09: 40
    Reaction to the tragedy in Kazan: it will be more difficult for Russians to acquire weapons
    We grieve .... yes to us then. fool
    1. -12
      13 October 2021 09: 47
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Reaction to the tragedy in Kazan: it will be more difficult for Russians to acquire weapons
      We grieve .... yes to us then. fool

      I don’t know where, I don’t know where, but if cho ...
      1. 0
        13 October 2021 09: 51
        Quote: Dead Day
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Reaction to the tragedy in Kazan: it will be more difficult for Russians to acquire weapons
        We grieve .... yes to us then. fool

        I don’t know where, I don’t know where, but if cho ...
        It is clear that you do not understand .... I meant that we are up to the prohibitions on guns, knee-deep. We regret that our power is not only spineless, but snotty, slimy and amorphous, like jellyfish.
        1. -17
          13 October 2021 09: 55
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          It is clear that you do not understand ...

          believe me .. everything is transparently clear.
        2. +4
          13 October 2021 10: 14
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          It is clear that you do not understand ... I meant that we are up to the prohibitions on guns, knee-deep

          We have some bans .. and it gets worse .. have not noticed? The authorities cover up their incapacity with total bans on everything ..
          1. -2
            13 October 2021 10: 39
            Quote: Svarog
            We have some bans .. and it gets worse .. have not noticed? The authorities cover up their incapacity with total bans on everything ..

            I didn’t notice. hi The muzzles are embarrassing, because it is not the authorities, but the liberals. hi
            1. -1
              14 October 2021 05: 50
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              The muzzles are embarrassing, because it is not the authorities, but the liberals.

              If the liberals are not power for you, put it on them. smile
              But after all, the POWER has dressed you up in masks. wink
              For your own good. Yes
              To protect and heal.
              But "cure" only one, but very fashionable "disease".
              And some liberals are now stigmatizing the "criminal regime" in genocide.
          2. +16
            13 October 2021 10: 52
            It is necessary to understand the logic of the actions of any official. His job is to report to his superiors. To do anything useful - he is lazy, and he cannot, for a variety of reasons. It means - to prohibit, it doesn't matter what. All this is superimposed on the panic fear of the armed population at the top of the power circles. Also for obvious reasons. And who take advantage of any opportunity to push through the next tightening of the nuts at the sun. They seriously believe that only they should have weapons, as well as the right to use force in any situation. An ordinary citizen must be a dumb patient so that it does not happen, having neither the right nor the main opportunity to resist criminals. And God forbid - those in power ..

            Their goal is not to provide security at all, but to confiscate weapons in general. For it is scary. That's how we live.
            1. +9
              13 October 2021 11: 17
              Quote: paul3390
              They seriously believe that only they should have weapons, as well as the right to use force in any situation. An ordinary citizen must be a dumb patient so that it does not happen, having neither the right nor the main opportunity to resist criminals. And God forbid - those in power ..

              Their goal is not to provide security at all, but to confiscate weapons in general. For it is scary. That's how we live.

              Comrade! Absolutely agree.
              There are certainly bad thoughts about this, "Ryazan sugar" for some reason is remembered.
              1. +10
                13 October 2021 13: 02
                Hello my friend!
                I constantly have this "sugar" pops up in my memory. But here there is one more thing - this is what an additional feeder for the Office and the National Guard, to buy them, and they will not solve the problem for anyone, there would be the required amount.
                1. +5
                  13 October 2021 13: 11
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  me constantly this "sugar" pops up in my memory. But here there is one more thing - this is what an additional feeder for the Office and the National Guard, to buy them, and they will not solve the problem for anyone, there would be the required amount.

                  Salut! drinks
                  Here I am about the same thing, because in their paradigm the life of the plebeians is worth nothing, and you can sacrifice for the sake of the interests of the patricians.
                2. 0
                  14 October 2021 11: 37
                  Why buy them?
                  And if you buy them, then arrange executions, wouldn’t you come to those who issued the weapon permit and be imprisoned?
              2. CYM
                +1
                13 October 2021 18: 54
                You are more careful with the "sugar", otherwise the "comrades majors" will write a conclusion and that ... am
            2. +9
              13 October 2021 14: 19
              And what is typical, colleague. In 2020, Russia was killed 7,7 thousands human. This is a firearm (both criminal and legal), and kitchen knives, and household equipment, and just in fights. Whereas in the same 2020 year in Russia in an accident on the roads died 16,152 thousands human. Those. the most dangerous and lethal weapons in Russia are cars.
              Why is nobody screaming about banning cars? Why is no one proposing to tighten the procedure for obtaining a driving license? Why is no one offering to check future potential drivers with the FSB?
              After all, if all the shouters about the prohibition of weapons were really interested in the lives of fellow citizens, they would start with cars. But they don't shout about cars. Therefore, you are right, and the reason is completely different ...
              1. +6
                13 October 2021 14: 47
                Don't be dashing. Recently, Putin spoke about the need to reduce road deaths, and then increased the budget line from the receipt of fines for the next year. So do not shout just because they do it on a sly.
              2. +1
                13 October 2021 20: 09
                Quote: Mr. PeZhe
                Why is nobody screaming about banning cars? Why is no one proposing to tighten the procedure for obtaining a driving license? Why is no one offering to check future potential drivers with the FSB?
                After all, if all the shouters about the prohibition of weapons were really interested in the lives of fellow citizens, they would start with cars. But they don't shout about cars. Therefore, you are right, and the reason is completely different ...

                Because the owners of weapons are a very narrow stratum of the population, and no one is sorry for them and their rights, except for themselves, that's it. Because their hobbies - hunting or sports - are considered dangerous pampering, which means that others who do not share this passion do not feel sorry for pinching them. And car accidents - well, yes, evil, but the benefits of a car still outweigh, which means that it seems like you can come to terms with thousands of deaths.
              3. +1
                13 October 2021 21: 45
                well, if you prohibit cars, then everything will stop, and if the weapon, then nothing will change
              4. -1
                14 October 2021 13: 01
                Quote: Mr. PeZhe
                Why is no one shouting about the ban on cars?

                The problem is that the government's goal is not to reduce the number of executions, but to reduce the number of weapons in people.
                You can kill anything, and the Ryazan shooter wrote about it. That if he hadn't been given a gun permit, he would have done it by car.
                And in addition to what was said - in Norway, an archer killed five and wounded two. Onions do not need permission at all.
            3. +1
              13 October 2021 21: 44
              so you can just seize the weapon, why come up with something
              1. +2
                13 October 2021 21: 46
                Are you sure that in this situation, it will be so easy to take and give? And on a quiet sly - there is a chance to finish off ..
                1. +1
                  13 October 2021 22: 20
                  well, which laws make it very difficult to buy a weapon in order to refuse it
          3. -2
            13 October 2021 11: 13
            Quote: Svarog
            We have some bans .. and it gets worse .. have not noticed?

            Simferopol, Kazan, Perm - it's time to put things in order.
            1. +11
              13 October 2021 11: 23
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: Svarog
              We have some bans .. and it gets worse .. have not noticed?

              Simferopol, Kazan, Perm - it's time to put things in order.

              It's high time .. Only these prohibitions are stupid. We need to start work with district police officers .. with teachers .. to instill a different culture .. But this will require a serious rethinking and investments of the state .. this will require changing the cap model to socialism .. And of course they will never do this .. they muzzle people why fastened on? What can be saved from the virus? And then also .. they will ban weapons altogether, they will make bombs or samopals .. you need to look at the root of the problem and fight it .. and they are all over the top ... for excuses .. they say, they took action .. everything was banned for everyone .. well banned .. you will see, everything will be repeated .. while there is a show for excuses to sculpt ... capitalism gives rise to a certain culture .. and as a result similar processes .. more and more mentally unhealthy people .. because of the eternal stress of complete uncertainty in the future and the continuous search for food ..
              1. +1
                13 October 2021 15: 26
                Quote: Svarog
                This will require changing the capital model to socialism.

                Is there socialism in Cuba or what? They have 4,99 murders per 100 inhabitants. In capitalist Japan 000, in capitalist Czech Republic 0,2.
                1. +1
                  13 October 2021 20: 12
                  Is there socialism in Cuba or what? They have 4,99 murders per 100 inhabitants. In capitalist Japan 000, in capitalist Czech Republic 0,2.
                  ... how, I don’t know how in Japan, but only embezzlers are shooting in the communist celestial Empire
                2. 0
                  13 October 2021 23: 59
                  Quote: musketone64

                  Is there socialism in Cuba or what? They have 4,99 murders per 100 inhabitants ..
                  Must be compared with neighbors in Latin America
                  cartels of mexico
                  Read about the criminal situation in Mexico ...
            2. +6
              13 October 2021 13: 28
              They will start on their own terms and, as always, at the wrong end.
              Unfortunately, I do not have a list of cities in which people were killed with kitchen knives and hammers. These items are sold without special permits, and neither the doctors nor the "guards" will be able to make money on this.
              1. +8
                13 October 2021 13: 54
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Unfortunately, I do not have a list of cities in which people were killed with kitchen knives and hammers. These items are sold without special permits

                Shhh .... don't tell me.
                Otherwise, they will soon get to the license to carry and use hands and heads.
                1. +3
                  13 October 2021 14: 10
                  Easy, because they somehow need to justify their existence. laughing
              2. -1
                13 October 2021 21: 48
                you can cut bread with a knife, and what can you do with a gun besides shooting
                1. 0
                  14 October 2021 00: 05
                  Quote: Janerobot
                  , but what can you do with a gun besides shooting
                  In Norway, one "shooter" went through the streets of Kongsberg with onions and killed 4 (four) people ...
                  sad
                  1. +1
                    14 October 2021 12: 19
                    what does a gun and a knife have to do with it
                    Here they put Norway as an example, but even the Norwegians did not stop the criminal with their pistols and rifles
                    1. 0
                      14 October 2021 19: 42
                      Quote: Janerobot
                      what does a gun and a knife have to do with it
                      Here they put Norway as an example, but even the Norwegians did not stop the criminal with their pistols and rifles
                      Given that lawmakers decide for the safety of citizens to hinder access to hunting firearms.
                      In Norway, in Kongsberg, to kill people (5 people) they used onion - the ban on firearms did not help ...
                      1. 0
                        15 October 2021 19: 30
                        there is no prohibition on firearms in norway, short-barrels are allowed
                2. +1
                  14 October 2021 09: 50
                  And with a gun, you can go and take away the knife and bread from someone, then cut the bread and eat it. laughing
            3. +5
              13 October 2021 13: 40
              Psychos were, are and will be, why "putting things in order" is necessarily a restriction for law-abiding citizens?
              1. +1
                13 October 2021 21: 50
                under the new laws, these crazy 18-year-olds would not be allowed to buy guns, and after that they might have changed their minds
                1. 0
                  14 October 2021 03: 21
                  Have they changed their minds? blessed is he who believes ...
                  1. +1
                    14 October 2021 12: 20
                    well, many believe in the correction of criminals in prison, why not believe also psychos
                    1. 0
                      14 October 2021 12: 25
                      well, many believe in the correction of criminals in prison
                      - I don't know a single one like that ...
            4. +5
              13 October 2021 15: 02
              Simferopol, Kazan, Perm - it's time to put things in order.

              In the Kremlin?
          4. +5
            13 October 2021 13: 09
            I handed over my trauma for disposal. When, during the renewal of the license, they were sent to some civilian swindlers to hand over the rules for handling weapons (for money "naturally") and a new medical certificate for a couple of thousand. They'll finish it anyway, they'll come up with something else.
          5. -1
            14 October 2021 14: 20
            Quote: Svarog
            We have only bans ..

            In Norway, one thug with a bow killed 5 people. If ours work ahead of the curve, now what, and bows should fall under the distribution (medical board, psychiatrist, permission from the police, etc.)? By the way, one of those who arranged the shooting at the school detonated three bombs there. What about limiting the turnover of bombs among the civilian population?
            It is strange that a law has not yet been passed banning the carrying of cold steel and firearms for people involved in banditry. He would be very helpful in reducing the criminal situation.
            Interestingly, but the idea that if government agencies are not able to protect their citizens (taxpayers), it can give them the opportunity to defend themselves, and not keep them like bulls in the slaughterhouse?
        3. -5
          13 October 2021 11: 04
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          We grieve that our power is not only spinal, but snotty, slimy and amorphous, like jellyfish.

          And nowhere in the world does he shoot people? belay
          Power to do with, if the child PARENTS missed !!!!!
          1. +2
            13 October 2021 11: 15
            parents are only 40 percent, the rest of society. society is influenced by power
            1. -6
              13 October 2021 11: 24
              Quote: vl903
              parents are only 40

              100%
              Have given birth, bring up. If you want to carry the parcels to the zone, give it to the drift, amersky militants.
              influenced by power

              Well, how did she influence you so that you lost the brink of death?
              1. +9
                13 October 2021 11: 33
                I have three sons. I bring up - kill the enemy, kill the animal to eat, do not kill people and do not kill animals for fun.
                but I see children only on weekends and in the evening for a couple of hours after work. the most active time they spend at school and with friends.
                Are you saying that school, friends, society, TV and the Internet do not affect children?
                You are either lying on purpose or a fanatic, or you simply have low intelligence.
                Sorry if abrupt
                1. +7
                  13 October 2021 12: 33
                  Quote: vl903
                  I have three sons. I bring up - kill the enemy, kill the animal to eat, do not kill people and do not kill animals for fun.

                  My great-grandfather and grandfather taught me so. Hungry, take an animal or a bird to be fed.
                  Once I shot a crow, and my great-grandfather said, "Now eat!" I'm in tears, and he persistently "Eat!" until his daughter, my grandmother, stood up for me.
                  1. +4
                    13 October 2021 14: 34
                    Correctly grandfather taught you! My grandfather, when I was about five years old, put his knees on rice, because I poked the rabbit with a stick through the net ... It hurt, but he said, now it hurts and hurts the rabbit, so sit and endure now ... C since then I try not to hurt ..
              2. +1
                13 October 2021 14: 23
                Quote: Seryoga64
                parents are only 40

                100%
                Have given birth, bring up. If you want to carry the parcels to the zone, give it to the drift, amersky militants.

                Your words, but the street will re-educate faster than the parents.
              3. +2
                13 October 2021 18: 54
                Quote: Seryoga64
                influenced by power

                Well, how did she influence you so that you lost the brink of death?

                It is easiest to blame the authorities, and not to instruct those who do not agree with the minuses. And whoever thought: that under the grandfathers of the tsars, the power was also, oh, not a gift, the same capitalist, and they did not let them open their mouths, but in the schools there was no one except the teachers and the priest of the priest. And now no one can enter the school, the guards are sitting and the cameras are watching (not in all states this is). So everyone will really think "What is wrong with us?" And not shout "Putin and the oligarchs are to blame!"
                Vaughn again today in Moscow, the "gibon" staged shooting, though they say not from a firearm, today it is not, and tomorrow it was a firearm, and there are children.
        4. -2
          14 October 2021 07: 11
          I agree, not just 100%, but 100. There are more and more bans on shooters. Yesterday in Norway a thug with a bow killed 000 and wounded 5. Prohibit bows and crossbows, and slingshots too.
          The fact that surrogate alcohol is poisoned every day is not seen. The authorities do not hear that it is high time to put alcohol production under state control, no matter how many MPs from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation propose.
          And what an interesting punishment. Someone bought somewhere, got poisoned, investigation and punishment of SELLERS, further sellers are not investigated.
    2. +2
      13 October 2021 09: 48
      The article is not about those who scrutinize, but about those who got a reason
      1. +2
        13 October 2021 09: 55
        Quote: Revival
        The article is not about those who scrutinize, but about those who got a reason

        fool In the article, not about who is the reason, but about the fact that the authorities toil with handicrafts.
        1. 0
          13 October 2021 09: 56
          So that's just the reason
          1. AUL
            +7
            13 October 2021 14: 23
            Well, tightening the screws in this situation is the most obvious, simplest and most useless decision of the authorities! Do they really not realize that it is absolutely hopeless to fight against any phenomenon of prohibitions in our country, with our mentality and attitude towards the authorities? An emergency has happened, it is necessary to react - it means that something must be banned, toughened, canceled. And that's all, the authorities are in business. And the fact that the result from these gestures is zero (and more often, negative for citizens) is nothing, the main thing is that they reacted and took measures.
            But I wonder why they are not tightening the nuts in relation to persistent traffic offenders? Three days ago there was a TV program - either the Ministry of Transport, or the Security Council, or something else on auto-theme. About street readers. These are the scum, driving around Moscow at 200 - 300 km / h, basically spitting on the rules and not incurring fines. Children of our "elite". Some have half a million in arrears in fines! And they are all known, in the program they hung out a photo with the name of a dozen of the most greyhounds. They do not need to be tracked down, they are known to all. So why are they not tightening the nuts, shutting off the oxygen? Why don't they confiscate their cars, and why don't they deprive them of their rights for life? What, the authorities cannot cope with such? Well, yes, you can't really forbid that, they have dads! Why all sorts of mars of Bagdosorians can kill and maim people with impunity, while law-abiding citizens who are not involved should be held accountable for freaks with guns?
        2. -2
          13 October 2021 10: 14
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          In the article, not about who is the reason, but about the fact that the authorities toil with handicrafts.

          Yes, but for some reason he is fornicating in my pants ..
        3. -6
          13 October 2021 11: 06
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          but about the fact that the authorities toil with masturbation.

          How? In the brain does not clone from the cradle, that you can not kill?
        4. +3
          13 October 2021 13: 44
          but about the fact that the authorities toil with masturbation.
          - so they have been doing this for 35 years ...
      2. +1
        13 October 2021 10: 57
        Quote: Revival
        The article is not about those who scrutinize, but about those who got a reason

        Eh, it's a pity that apart from deputies and profile ministries, ordinary people will be pushed aside from solving this issue, otherwise they would have asked the "legislators":
        - what is bad about the Soviet experience in this matter and why they will not return to it,
        - that such good thing happened in modern Russia, that in schools, vocational schools, technical schools and universities, polyclinics, tax, mfc and so on, security was installed everywhere, but this did not improve, despite the fact that there was no security in the USSR,
        - maybe it's time to put security in kindergartens, since things take such a turn,
        - what to do with Internet sites promoting various methods of terror, with computer games for children and adults, where killing an enemy is simple and affordable,
        - etc. etc.

        In general, there are some questions and there is no rational answer to them. It seems that the topic will be blabbed again.
        1. +2
          13 October 2021 11: 26
          Quote: credo
          - what is bad about the Soviet experience in this matter and why they will not return to it,
          - that such good thing happened in modern Russia, that in schools, vocational schools, technical schools and universities, polyclinics, tax, mfc and so on, security was installed everywhere, but this did not improve, despite the fact that there was no security in the USSR,
          - maybe it's time to put security in kindergartens, since things take such a turn,
          - what to do with Internet sites promoting various methods of terror, with

          Are you out of your mind? Do you want the policemen in the dark and light streets to turn out their pockets and ask: katso, why do you need a penknife with a blade length of more than 4 fingers? They still kick him under the tail, humiliate and trample on the rights of Man. and how pedophiles get into kindergarten to satisfy their "natural" needs.
          Today, either a cross or underpants.
          But humanly, in truth. Only justice, and human rights in the ass (the West slipped this to us, of course to our destruction)
  2. +9
    13 October 2021 09: 49
    Some are not that weapons or even a car cannot be trusted, a scooter under their control is dangerous! A barrier is needed, in my case an insurmountable barrier is mother laziness. ))
    1. +12
      13 October 2021 09: 54
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      the scooter under their control is dangerous!

      In megacities, the scooter comes out on top in terms of danger, both for pedestrians and drivers. Problem.
      1. -2
        13 October 2021 11: 09
        You can't trust a fool who knows a glass member
        It is necessary to teach such, with not passing by
        1. +3
          13 October 2021 14: 00
          Quote: Seryoga64
          You can't trust a fool who knows a glass member
          It is necessary to teach such, with not passing by

          You can teach if you are driving an asphalt paver
      2. +7
        13 October 2021 12: 28
        In metropolitan areas, the scooter comes out on top in terms of danger, both for pedestrians and drivers.
        yes kapets. They drive like crazy. You walk calmly, then a scooter with a body on it materializes with a whistle from the back half a meter away. And you can't hear him, especially when you walk along the avenue. Some individuals also stare at the smartphone at the same time. wassat Previously, if at crossroads, you turned your head like a pilot at 360 degrees, now you have to look around on the sidewalk. Before changing the direction of travel ...
    2. 0
      13 October 2021 09: 59
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Not only a gun or even a car cannot be trusted by some, a scooter under their control is dangerous! A barrier is needed in my case, an insurmountable barrier is mother laziness. ))
      request I don’t know. Just in case, I sympathize. The main thing is not a barrier fool , and the ideology of the state. The purpose of his existence, whom he serves. And who is serving? Managers, officials, servants, or sons of the people.
  3. 0
    13 October 2021 09: 51
    “For today, the information about what changes this procedure will undergo in view of the fact that the“ siloviks ”will have to deal with civilians is still closed.

    Nevertheless, this has its own meaning, dictated, again, by recent sad events. After all, not knowing the exact meaning and order of the procedure, the alleged owner of the weapon, it will be many times more difficult to "insure", distorting certain information and facts in advance, thereby misleading the competent authorities. "

    And how long will this effect be enough?
    Before the first "stories" like "the experience of how it did not pass the test"?
    1. +3
      13 October 2021 09: 59
      Quote: Revival
      “For today, the information about what changes this procedure will undergo in view of the fact that the“ siloviks ”will have to deal with civilians is still closed.

      In Soviet times, you can't just buy a gun in a store, and even a hunting knife. Gunpowder and cartridges only upon presentation of a hunting ticket.
      1. +5
        13 October 2021 10: 04
        Now it's the same, only you need to present a weapon permit.
        1. +3
          13 October 2021 10: 42
          Quote: puzoter
          Now it's the same, only you need to present a weapon permit.

          When I joined a hunting club in the Estonian SSR, I had to bring permission from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and a certificate from the mental hospital that I was not crazy. After training, I went hunting for a year with a teammate, but I didn't have my own weapon, and got it only after the conclusion of the hunter's club, which I am adequate.
          Before that, I had a hunting license of the RSFSR, but I had to get a new one according to the rules of the republic.
          1. 0
            13 October 2021 10: 52
            Well, there was public control in the USSR, and it can only be returned together with the USSR.
          2. +1
            14 October 2021 12: 02
            Hunting in my life since the third grade, when I was presented with the first shotgun - 16 gauge single barrel. I don't remember having thoughts in my head to take a walk with him at school and shoot someone. Many years passed, and I returned to hunting in adulthood. That very first gun is still with me, but I never thought of walking around the city with a gun and shooting someone. What am I talking about ....? And that if everything is normal in a person's head, then even if he buys a machine gun, and if he is mentally abnormal, then he will make trouble with a fountain pen! Conclusion: it is not the next stupid prohibitions that need to be invented, but simply to perform their duties with high quality by the persons to whom they are determined. Let them bring up their children to the parents, let them sow good and eternal things, let them sow good and eternal for doctors, psychiatrists, let them get deeper into the souls, to the district policemen, let their people see them at least once in their lives, and then Kazan, Perm and other scumbags will be detected at the stage of conception!
      2. 0
        13 October 2021 10: 43
        Sure?
        Or do you single out a separate period as a general one?
      3. +8
        13 October 2021 10: 56
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Revival
        “For today, the information about what changes this procedure will undergo in view of the fact that the“ siloviks ”will have to deal with civilians is still closed.

        In Soviet times, you can't just buy a gun in a store, and even a hunting knife. Gunpowder and cartridges only upon presentation of a hunting ticket.

        Until the mid-60s, a smoothbore and a small barrel could be bought in the store almost for change. Then the rifle was withdrawn from the population and left only to the hunters, and the smoothbore could be bought only when joining the hunting society. To join this society, you had to leave as a candidate for a year (that is, with a hunter as a mentor), then get at least two recommendations from hunters who vouched for you and recommended you for admission to the OO and R and pass a hunting minimum (something like an exam on handling weapons and on knowledge of the rules of hunting). Now I stupidly applied to the MFC for a federal hunting ticket (passport, photo) and, tryndets, you are a hunter.
        1. +1
          13 October 2021 11: 08
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Until the mid-60s, a smoothbore and a small barrel could be bought in the store almost for change. Then the rifling was withdrawn from the population and left only to the hunters, and the smoothbore could only be bought when joining the hunting society.

          They wrote everything right, and it was, I already wrote about that time. We also had everything one to one, only the first smoothbore was bought by a hunting club.
        2. +1
          14 October 2021 12: 04
          Yes, yes .... that's exactly what it was! By the way, at what age did you have a gun ?!
          1. +1
            14 October 2021 12: 50
            Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
            Yes, yes .... that's exactly what it was! By the way, at what age did you have a gun ?!

            We were early children in Transbaikalia, and early began to live an adult life. My great-grandfather gave me a TOZ single barrel 16 cal. for 7 years, and then the parents came, great-grandfather and blurt out to the mother, "I made a gift to my grandson, my mother fainted, she is not local, but Smolensk. Well, my great-grandfather beautifully said that he was joking and that he bought it for himself. Well, then there was a lot and rifles, but the first served for a long time, and was dearer than others, until his younger brother broke, or rather, the barrel was torn apart out of stupidity.
          2. +2
            14 October 2021 18: 47
            Without undue modesty, I will say, dear Sebastian Aristarkhovich, that my first gun appeared at the age of 10 (IZH-18E). I remember the priest gave two cartridges, to me and my brother, but demanded that the shot be at the game, and not at cans and bottles. As a result, the elder brother took both cartridges for himself, and I dragged the gun as a club and ran after the shot hazel grouses and waders instead of the gun dog. Glorious taiga-Ural childhood !!! hi
            1. +1
              15 October 2021 12: 15
              I have a full feeling that you and I, dear Dmitry, grew up at the same glorious time in the same place! The situation in that society, after all, laid respect for each other and nature in the souls and hearts of people! There were no rumors about any "Columbines" at that time! Good and good mood !!!
              1. +1
                15 October 2021 13: 11
                Quote: Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
                Good and good mood !!!

                Mutually! drinks
      4. -3
        13 October 2021 11: 13
        Quote: tihonmarine
        In Soviet times, you can't just buy a gun in a store, and even a hunting knife. Gunpowder and cartridges only upon presentation of a hunting ticket.

        And now, with the permission of the purchase, I found out who bought it, met with the "friends" at the entrance with knives, so that he did not have time to take out the trunk, and that was all. there is a trunk. You can after the "case" and reset
      5. +4
        13 October 2021 11: 19
        until 197 .. some year in the USSR, hunting rifles were sold in sports stores along with jumping ropes
      6. +1
        13 October 2021 12: 23
        besides the fact that until 1970xxx guns were in sports shops, so also for those who did not want to kill animals there were shooting galleries in every park, school, technical school ... just shoot, learn ... and now you want to shoot, become a hunter ((((
    2. -4
      13 October 2021 10: 02
      Quote: Revival
      After all, not knowing the exact meaning and order of the procedure, the alleged owner of the weapon, it will be many times more difficult to "insure", distorting certain information and facts in advance, thereby misleading the competent authorities. "

      fool "Oh, it's not difficult to deceive me, I myself am glad to be deceived" (Pushkin)
      "Uncle Seryozha, are you a liberal?" (Seryozha) I don't believe in a hunter, the language is suspended specifically. request
      1. 0
        13 October 2021 10: 45
        Liberal, this is not for me, the place is occupied, you must have heard.
        And what was the question? About nothing?
        1. -1
          13 October 2021 10: 47
          Quote: Revival
          Liberal, this is not for me, the place is occupied, you must have heard.
          Yes, there are enough glasses for everyone.
          1. +1
            13 October 2021 10: 50
            Take the risk now.
            You are encroaching on holy things.
            There is even an article for insult ...
    3. 0
      13 October 2021 10: 07
      Quote: Revival
      And how long will this effect be enough?
      Before the first "stories" like "the experience of how it did not pass the test"?

      Elementary. They will undergo a full check, and at what stage they will cut off medicine or security forces, it will not be known, they simply will not allow ownership in the end.
      1. 0
        13 October 2021 10: 48
        In general, I suppose that it will not be a secret for long.
      2. +3
        13 October 2021 10: 55
        Voted against the EP or God forbid the sun-faced? Shish you, not a weapon! Not worthy, for a subversive element .. Joking aside - but everything goes to that. Remember what they did with the constitutional freedom of assembly of citizens.
        1. +7
          13 October 2021 12: 05
          Quote: paul3390
          Remember what they did with the constitutional freedom of assembly of citizens.

          Let's say they remembered ... And how did you want? Tearing your throat at rallies - you don't need a big mind. Recently, too often they talk about different kinds of people who, not just a weapon, but a permit to carry a slingshot, could not be issued. And I'm just worried about the attitude of the judiciary towards crimes under the articles:
          Article 142.1. Falsification of voting results
          Article 142.2. Illegal issuance and receipt of a ballot paper, a ballot paper for a referendum, a ballot paper for an all-Russian vote
          Article 143. Violation of labor protection requirements
          Article 144. Obstruction of the lawful professional activity of journalists

          Where a separate item can be highlighted:
          Article 149. Obstruction of an assembly, meeting, demonstration, procession, picketing or participation in them

          There is a suspicion that the rule of law in the Russian Federation has died ... It did not die due to old age, but died in the most disgusting way - from political gangrene. The people (if these 48 percent of the herd that did not find the strength to come to the polling station can be called a people) entrusted the solution of their life problems, the future of their children to those who absolutely do not give a damn about everything except the numbers on their personal account and their own integrity.
          Who do you want to participate from if they call hatching in a guarded office an activity for the good of the country? There will not be able to enter (get through), let alone some "Kazan or Kerch shooter." There, employees (cleaners, waitresses, secretaries) can only go through after strict selection and fez control. It remains to ask - who do they serve?
          1. -2
            13 October 2021 12: 32
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Article 142.1. Falsification of voting results
            Article 142.2. Illegal issuance and receipt of a ballot paper, a ballot paper for a referendum, a ballot paper for an all-Russian vote

            Just how wonderful you operate with articles ... if you have the facts, if you have witnessed a violation of the law, go to court. Defend your civic position there, and do not blah blah on the site.
            Where falsifications are discovered, there are cases opened, you can get together, but notify the authorities so that you will be allocated a legitimate place that does not create an obstacle to the work of government agencies and other infrastructure. You will also be protected there from disgruntled citizens.
            And then they took the fashion from the sofas to command the shelves ... be responsible for yourself first of all, and do not teach the authorities how and what to do.
            1. 0
              13 October 2021 12: 44
              Quote: Canecat
              Defend your civic position there, and do not blah blah on the site.

              When Yuri expresses his opinion to Pavel, it is impolite to interfere with his own morals:
          2. 0
            14 October 2021 07: 25
            Quote: ROSS 42
            There is a suspicion that the rule of law in the Russian Federation has died ...

            there is a suspicion that the RF is an imitation of the state.
      3. 0
        13 October 2021 11: 09
        Quote: Canecat
        Elementary. They will undergo a full check, and at what stage they will cut off medicine or security forces, it will not be known, they simply will not allow ownership in the end.

        Actually last night I listened to explanations on this whole procedure. Rosgvardia submits an application to the Ministry of Internal Affairs (it is not clear why, because it already issues a certificate of no criminal record) and to the FSB to clarify whether a person is in development for any reason. The rest of the procedures are the same as before. If a refusal comes, then there is an opportunity to sue (though there are no fools to sue the FSB). Recently, I myself redesigned a smooth one, the procedure for inspecting the storage place was a little fun - before the district police officer did it and with his certificate they went to the LRO. Now, right on the spot, they ask you whether the place of storage or residence has changed and ... the certificate is immediately printed.
        1. +1
          13 October 2021 12: 47
          Quote: NDR-791
          If a refusal comes, then there is an opportunity to sue (though there are no fools to sue the FSB).

          good
          How difficult it is after fly against the wind ...
  4. +3
    13 October 2021 09: 55
    "extremists".

    Here is where to turn around, now extremism is a broad concept.
    Especially considering that the check:
    "The information about what changes this procedure will undergo in view of the fact that the" siloviki "will have to deal with civilians is still closed."

    Especially if the reasons do not need to be announced, here it is possible to reject all critics, for example, edra ...
  5. +6
    13 October 2021 10: 09
    And they will issue permits Evsyukovs from the Rossguard?
    What about these?

    1. +4
      13 October 2021 10: 15
      Quote: prior
      Will the Evsyukovs from the Rossgvardia issue permits?

      Have you decided to stigmatize all employees of the Russian Guard with Evsyukovs?
      1. +2
        13 October 2021 10: 22
        Not all, only majors.
        But seriously, they shoot everywhere, and if the requirements are toughened up, they need to be everywhere.
        Both must be checked by a psychiatrist in the general queue.
        And the law should sound about it.
        1. +1
          13 October 2021 10: 27
          Quote: prior
          they shoot everywhere, and the requirements, if tougher, need to be toughened everywhere.

          here I agree with you
          and with law enforcement double demand
          1. -5
            13 October 2021 10: 51
            Quote: Flood
            here I agree with you
            and with law enforcement double demand

            So the main thing here: Sho tse take demand? And double - how much is it in grams?
            1. 0
              13 October 2021 11: 03
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              And double - how much is it in grams?

              not in grams, but in years of imprisonment
            2. +1
              13 October 2021 14: 01
              Quote: Mavrikiy
              And double - how much is it in grams?

              Two for 7,45 grams.
        2. for
          -2
          13 October 2021 10: 41
          Quote: prior
          Both must be tested by a psychiatrist.

          And the psychiatrist must be tested by the security forces for the right to conduct an examination.
      2. +1
        13 October 2021 12: 09
        Quote: Flood
        You decided to brand the Evsyukovs all employees of the Russian Guard?

        Okay, let's leave Evsyukov. Let's become proud of the feats for the good of the Fatherland of the head of the department ... belay
        1. +1
          13 October 2021 12: 33
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Let's become proud of the feats for the good of the Fatherland of the head of the department

          but let's be proud of the riot policemen and the SOBR
          1. +1
            13 October 2021 12: 52
            Quote: Flood
            but let's be proud of the riot policemen and the SOBR

            I support your proposal, BUT ... stop only in terms of specific fighters, specific cases ...
            I can justify. You can be proud of a PERSON like Magomed Nurbagandov ...
            It is his last words that I consider parting words to real OMON and SOBR fighters.
            “Work, brothers!”
            1. 0
              13 October 2021 22: 00
              today a riot policeman fights in a war, carries out specific deeds, and tomorrow he stands at an illegal rally, and carries joyful oppositionists into the paddy wagon to take selfies, can he be proud of such a riot policeman or not,
    2. +1
      13 October 2021 10: 53
      Well, how many are there for the entire population? Zero point tenths? The siloviki are people too. And the roof can blow. But these are isolated cases.
      1. +2
        13 October 2021 12: 16
        Quote: carstorm 11
        The siloviki are people too. And the roof can blow.

        When a police lieutenant asks the applicant: "What are you doing?" Based on the fact that the victim, not agreeing to rate the GT 3.0 mountain bike at a cost below 2 rubles, says to him: “You don't have to look at all - I didn’t hope for you,” - what should you call it? Who took the roof off?
        Forget Uncle Styopa the policeman and start getting used to the Kosorotovs ...
        1. +1
          13 October 2021 13: 02
          I live by the law and all my meetings with the police officers were adequate in every sense. If I don't like the conversation, I'll just write to the supervisory authority. It will not be enough for him.
      2. 0
        13 October 2021 12: 19
        The siloviki are people too. And the roof can blow. But these are isolated cases.

        You might think those who are not security forces, through one walk the streets and smack into anyone without hitting. If we take the ratio of shooters to the total number, then the percentage among the security forces will be much higher. For on average, if roughly, then for one crazy security officer, there should be 50 crazy others. Which is far from the case. For the same army men are smacking each other almost through one civilian, well, maybe in two.
        1. 0
          13 October 2021 13: 07
          Petrovnaya nonsense. For all my time in service, for example, there were three shooting with corpses outside the DB zone. In fact, in 15 years. Three times. In this case, two out of three are suicide. I will kill the criticism at once. First of all, I'm talking specifically about shooting. Secondly, of course, I did not know all the statistics in the districts. Third, I have never heard of shooting at civilians, but somehow I doubt that it is radically different from mine.
    3. +1
      13 October 2021 12: 13
      It seems like the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB will be checking. On the contrary, the National Guard has pushed part of the responsibility onto neighboring structures, and now the cries of "YOU SOLD THE BARREL TO WHOM" will be directed towards all power structures at once, and not just the National Guard. Well, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, there is clearly nothing to do, how to check everyone who wants to buy a barrel, that the Ministry of Internal Affairs is in the scapegoat all the time. In short, we made the responsibility "collective", as it were.
  6. +4
    13 October 2021 10: 10
    This procedure will be carried out by joint forces of both the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB.


    Does the FSB no longer trust the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
    For many years he had a small and smooth bore. Got rid of both - tired of running along the corridors - "prolong". Will you add a "campaign" to the FSB now?
    And raising the age from 18 to 21 is correct.
    1. +3
      13 October 2021 10: 12
      Quote: askort154
      raising the age from 18 to 21 is correct

      support
      1. -5
        13 October 2021 10: 57
        raising the age from 18 to 21 is correct

        support
        ... well then, if so, it is better to raise the age to 50 ... at 50, youthful seething weakens to zero ..... here the problem is different, in educational institutions reliable security should appear, and not an aunt in combination and cleaning lady ... and that's it ... the problem will disappear
        1. +1
          13 October 2021 11: 08
          Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
          the problem is different, reliable security should appear in educational institutions

          Well, okay
          when the sanitation system does not work, you see the problem not in the clogged rusty pipes, but in the woman Masha, who does not wipe the dirty floors briskly enough
          1. -1
            13 October 2021 11: 19
            when the sanitation system does not work, you see the problem not in clogged rusty pipes, but in Baba Masha,
            ... but I have nothing against aunts Mas and Babes Dus, I respect their work ... I mean that this is not security as such ... for example, I recently went to school to take a certificate, well, there is a frame sitting next to aunt Masha ... well, if you imagine that I came with evil assurances ... then this situevina ... I cut Aunt Masha down with an ultrasonic antidog, and then I go to wet it ... Rosgvardia needs to be engaged in useful business, namely, to arrange posts in educational institutions ... and not to engage in garbage
            1. 0
              13 October 2021 11: 31
              Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
              I don’t mind anything against aunts Masha and women Dus, I respect their work ... I mean that this is not security as such.

              you do not understand at all what I wrote about
              the solution to the problem is not in armed guards
              and in the introduction of a healthy system of coordinates into our society, in the improvement of our general spiritual and cultural health with a whole system of educational and preventive measures
              a man with a pistol at the entrance to an educational institution is already a sentence, that is, a forced retaliatory measure
              but this measure will not help in any way to solve the problem itself
              1. -4
                13 October 2021 11: 46
                the solution to the problem is not in armed guards
                and in the introduction of a healthy coordinate system into our society
                ....... you are an optemist ... unfortunately I am a rational form of thinking ... in our time the offended and striving for fame is growing, therefore, recovery in the distant future is not something that in the near future, it is not foreseen ... such is the reality ... only radical measures can protect our children in school institutions ... and tightening the rights to arms ... this will only lead to illegal immigrants, and with disastrous consequences
                1. 0
                  13 October 2021 11: 53
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  only drastic measures can protect our children in school

                  if you think only about today and apply the methods of yesterday, then yes - only armed guards
                  if you think about tomorrow, not only about children, but also about grandchildren, then this is clearly not enough
                  1. -1
                    13 October 2021 12: 07
                    if you think about tomorrow,
                    ..... tomorrow will be the same as yesterday ...... you have to be realistic ... but the realities are such that individualism has become an acceptable part of society ... well, this is the bourgeois nature .... what do you think .. .what is the percentage of graduates of boarding schools and families where parents are alcoholics the opportunity to get on the pedestal .... and there are a lot of them in spite of anti-alcohol prohibitions ..... so you have to be realistic .... illegal weapons will only increase if they are accepted such measures
        2. +1
          13 October 2021 22: 03
          where to get so many armed guards and who will pay them
          1. -2
            14 October 2021 10: 18
            where to get so many armed guards and who will pay them
            ... and the National Guard for what ... the state provides them and it's not bad ... so let them get down to business of state importance
            1. +1
              14 October 2021 12: 18
              do you want that yesterday's schoolchildren guarded schools with machine guns,
              you want to remove security from the nuclear power plant and other dangerous objects and send them to guard schools
              in Russia 50000 schools for each need at least 9 armed guards = 450000 people this is more than the number of Rosgvardia
              1. -1
                14 October 2021 12: 28
                each one needs at least 9
                .... two are enough ... if you consider that Aunt Masha combines cleaning and security every day for a salary that is half that of an ordinary Rosguard, not to mention sergeants and above ....... so tell me how Rosgvardia employees help the state ...... can help the state in an evil time, it was for this that they were created, and do not eat their own bread for nothing
                1. +1
                  14 October 2021 12: 35
                  they have to live in school, or something, and when, for example, train, shoot, learn, etc.
                  an ordinary conscript gets like 2000 rubles
                  they fight in the war, even in Syria, go on business trips to dangerous regions, guard dangerous objects, disperse oppositionists at an illegal rally, preventing ordinary people from passing. etc
                  1. -2
                    14 October 2021 12: 43
                    an ordinary conscript gets like 2000 rubles
                    ... Sapar, you really decided to make me laugh ... an employee of a private Rosgvardia has 28000 plus a quarterly bonus of about 40000, ... and there are no conscripts there ..... they recruit double basses ... what else to teach him .. ..so ... passing tests every two times
                    1. +1
                      14 October 2021 12: 51
                      at least take a look at google
                      conscripts serve there, and there are also 70000 watchmen from the federal state unitary enterprise security, who receive 15000 rubles
                      how will you pass the tests if you don’t train
                      1. -2
                        14 October 2021 13: 12
                        Yes, I don’t have to go to Google, my Kent serves in the Russian Guard ... about 70000 watchmen, this is more likely about security offices and not about the Russian Guard, but offsets ... well, in my free time ... I, for example, was engaged in training in my free time on Fire Applied Sports (PPS) ... and what are the employees of other structures afraid of?
    2. +1
      13 October 2021 10: 51
      Why go to? I think everything will be like with foreign countries.
    3. -2
      13 October 2021 10: 53
      Quote: askort154
      Got rid of both - tired of running along the corridors - "prolong". Will there be a "campaign" in the FSB now?

      I didn’t run, although I didn’t have. But, it seems they were in a hurry ... feel
    4. +1
      13 October 2021 12: 27
      Quote: askort154
      Does the FSB no longer trust the Ministry of Internal Affairs?

      And you will conduct a survey among users of the site, a good half of whom have served, serve or are potential carriers of shoulder straps. There are only three questions:
      1. Do you trust the FSB - "Yes" or "No".
      2. Do you trust the Ministry of Internal Affairs - "Yes" or "No".
      3. Do you trust Rosgvardia employees - "Yes" or "No".
      Why do we need polls among people who have lived their whole lives under dedicated state protection with privileges in rights or among suspects of inadequacy, or among those associated with gang warfare, or among those who did not hold weapons and did not take the oath. What can any "exes" or those whose personal merits cause a number of doubts to tell us?
      Open the topic - everything and you will see ... hi
  7. +2
    13 October 2021 10: 16
    Well, the decision is correct. It's funny, but my opinion coincided with the decisions))) At least 21 years old. everything is correct
    1. +2
      13 October 2021 11: 01
      Quote: Wend
      Well, the decision is correct. It's funny, but my opinion coincided with the decisions))) At least 21 years old. everything is correct

      Oh how. 21, not 22,5 ... It's funny and ..... You can be an infant at the age of 30. Family, work, household, and the opinions of neighbors! crying
      1. +1
        13 October 2021 12: 16
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Family, work, household, and the opinions of neighbors!

        And the opinion of the topvar's users is not needed? In our country, the majority of the population of their neighbors sees once a year, this is nonsense.
      2. 0
        13 October 2021 18: 20
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Quote: Wend
        Well, the decision is correct. It's funny, but my opinion coincided with the decisions))) At least 21 years old. everything is correct

        Oh how. 21, not 22,5 ... It's funny and ..... You can be an infant at the age of 30. Family, work, household, and the opinions of neighbors! crying

        Yes, it can happen at 30, and at 40, and at 50, but after 21, a person enters adulthood, after graduating from university. May join earlier, but mostly after 21 years. Although I would bet 25, not 21.
    2. -1
      13 October 2021 12: 33
      Quote: askort154
      And raising the age from 18 to 21 is correct.

      Quote: Flood
      support

      Quote: Wend
      Well, the decision is correct. It's funny, but my opinion coincided with the decisions))) At least 21 years old. everything is correct

      Then let's make a small correction:
      Permission to own weapons only to those who served in the Russian army ... belay This is both a way to identify the ability to wield a firearm (you can make a note on a military ID) and a verification period for adequacy.
      hi
  8. +4
    13 October 2021 10: 16
    And what will change? It will become more difficult for normal people to get weapons, just everything.
    But weapons can also be obtained illegally, and if they do not, then there are many other weapons, for example, a kitchen knife or a car.
    What happens when a few psychos rush into the school with a knife and cut the students? Will we get a license for a kitchen knife from the age of 21?
    The authorities simply use tragedies to make it harder to obtain weapons.
    1. +3
      13 October 2021 10: 44
      Banning the sale of kitchen knives !? The idea is good. After all, before, many defended the legalization of short-barreled weapons, they say, there are fewer troubles from registered weapons. And as ordered, a series of mass killings from registered weapons went on. And please smoothbore with 21 and a bunch of lotions. So the ban on knives is quite real !!!
      1. -1
        13 October 2021 10: 53
        And please smoothbore with 21 and a bunch of lotions. So the ban on knives is quite real !!!

        Exactly.
    2. 0
      13 October 2021 10: 50
      Well go. Find weapons illegally) Ordinary people do not even accidentally do this.
    3. -1
      13 October 2021 13: 16
      Quote: Bradley
      It will become more difficult for normal people to get weapons, just everything.

      May I ask? Who do you consider a normal person based on status? Is it considered normal for a person who, having an abundance of food and drink, takes up a weapon and goes (rides, flies) to kill animals for his own whim, for pleasure?
      Once upon a time, hunting was one of the sources of livelihood ... Tell me, why hundreds of thousands of bison were exterminated in North America? Has a person become cramped to live on the same planet together with its other inhabitants?
      Quote: Bradley
      What happens when a few psychos rush into the school with a knife and cut the students?

      As a rule, these are cowards out of their minds. When you start to cut such amateurs with his own knife, he just starts screaming.
      1. 0
        13 October 2021 14: 03
        May I ask? Who do you consider a normal person based on status? Is it considered normal for a person who, having an abundance of food and drink, takes up a weapon and goes (rides, flies) to kill animals for his own whim, for pleasure?

        No, I don't consider knackers to be normal people. Moreover, I really don't like flayers.

        Tell me why hundreds of thousands of bison were exterminated in North America?

        Just like that, because they could. Unfortunately, this is human nature.

        As a rule, these are cowards out of their minds. When you start to cut such amateurs with his own knife, he just starts screaming.

        That is how it is.
        1. +2
          13 October 2021 14: 04
          Quote: Bradley
          No, I don't consider knackers to be normal people. Moreover, I really don't like flayers.

          Okay, at least so. I welcome that.
      2. 0
        13 October 2021 19: 13
        And if I only want a weapon for self-defense. I don't even plan to take it out of the house.
        1. 0
          13 October 2021 19: 53
          Quote: Alexey Z
          And if I only want a weapon for self-defense. I don't even plan to take it out of the house.

          You are tortured to apply it correctly, so that you yourself are not imprisoned ...
        2. +1
          13 October 2021 22: 09
          buy what's the problem
          just memorize the order of using weapons in self-defense
  9. +2
    13 October 2021 10: 17
    Passing such a test will not be difficult for a normal and law-abiding person. However, those persons who, according to experts, may pose an "increased danger" to both citizens and society, will be denied a license.

    Empty it, for the peace of mind of the masses. If this check guaranteed weeding out the abnormal, then yes, but judging by the presence of inadequacies in the law enforcement system and in government agencies, it’s empty ...
  10. +2
    13 October 2021 10: 19
    So that now there are more verifiers? They will point fingers at each other in the event of an incident, "these have also been checked."
  11. for
    +2
    13 October 2021 10: 31
    All these restrictions and prohibitions are crossed out by corruption.
    1. +3
      13 October 2021 10: 46
      The probability is, of course. But to pass a sieve of paps, this probability is reduced to an error.
      1. for
        -1
        13 October 2021 10: 53
        Quote: carstorm 11
        There is always a chance to pass a sieve of feps

        People work there too.
        1. 0
          13 October 2021 13: 11
          Register with the FSB? To check on the trunk?) Well, the amount should be much more at least their salary. Which is not quite small) This is, excluding the rest of the little things, like people from the street to this employee, in principle, will not be able to reach)
  12. 0
    13 October 2021 11: 08
    I don't care about the opinion of Kharaluzhny and the National Guard.
    It would be more interesting to hear the detailed opinion of Roman Kovalev.
    1. -1
      13 October 2021 13: 23
      Quote: boriz
      I don't care about Kharaluzhny's opinion

      Why do you need the opinion of a "writer" who has not learned the infinitive and 3rd person of verbs ending in tsya, tsya ...
      If earlier it was 18 years old, then at the moment the applicant must be fulfilled 21 year.

      laughing
  13. -2
    13 October 2021 11: 17
    Who would have doubted that our government, as always, will nourish honest citizens, and if he ran with a knife, then what would have been done so that it would be more difficult to buy, and all these defenders of lying scoundrels, try to walk in queues to undergo a medical examination for purchase and storage of weapons, give the authorities a reason, but many simply buy a certificate and will buy it because doctors have beggarly salaries, and in law enforcement agencies there is more corruption than in the courts of the Krasnodar Territory, and at the top they are afraid of the armed people they know that they can all be shot like that as it is for what, well, without a weapon for self-defense today I cannot live in a private house and there were cases when neighbors were rescued by the presence of a firearm at home, just a shot in the air and the violence of aggressive highlanders of the southerners stopped, they immediately calmed down and scattered, they are afraid, however for their skins
    1. 0
      14 October 2021 14: 22
      Quote: Codett
      try queuing for a medical examination to buy and store weapons

      Well, I don't know - I recently extended it - in half a day I ran through everyone and in the evening I issued an application for State Services with all the scans.
  14. +3
    13 October 2021 11: 28
    Actually, for the sake of which the incident in Kazan was organized. I think things are smoothly moving towards a complete ban on the possession of any weapon. There are already points that will allow absolutely anyone to refuse a license. For example,
    persons belonging to organized criminal groups, terrorists and extremists.

    We remember how easily FBK and Alexei personally were registered as extremists in violation of their own decrees. It is unlikely that these will be more scrupulous in relation to ordinary citizens. Perhaps even a permitted register will appear, where almost by name there will be those few who are allowed to own weapons. And all the other 140 million are not allowed, we are all extremists and deliberately criminals.
    1. +1
      13 October 2021 12: 19
      Quote: Basarev
      We remember how easily FBK and Alexei personally were recorded as extremists in hindsight.

      I apologize, but who is Alexey? Is it a basement? if so then you also need to go to register as a foreign agent in advance. And-and-and do not thank, otherwise God forbid they will be assigned to the basement, then decent people will not greet. Why, what kind of a rational person even knows the letters, but for the basement ... laughing laughing
      1. +1
        13 October 2021 13: 01
        No, I'm not his fanatic. Everything is much more pragmatic: the enemy of my enemy. I hope you will not argue that Vladimir is our common enemy. This means that any situational alliances with his enemies are tactically useful.
        1. +1
          13 October 2021 13: 03
          Quote: Basarev
          Everything is much more pragmatic: the enemy of my enemy. I hope you will not argue that Vladimir is our common enemy. This means that any situational alliances with his enemies are tactically useful.

          good good good + 100500!!!
        2. +3
          13 October 2021 13: 12
          Quote: Basarev
          I hope you will not argue that Vladimir is our common enemy.

          Are you talking about the president of a neighboring country? Yes, God bless you, what an enemy he is, so a puppet. If you mean another person, the President of the Russian Federation, then this is at least several articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. As the not forgotten Ostap Suleiman Bender Maria-Bey said, I respect the Criminal Code! This is the first thing. And the only thing.
  15. +1
    13 October 2021 12: 13
    The first of these is the increase in the age to become its owner. If earlier it was 18 years old, then at the moment the applicant must be 21 years old.
    But the military conscription from the age of 18 remains. Just like selling alcohol, guarding your homeland with a machine gun from 18, but a bottle of beer only from 21 ...
  16. +2
    13 October 2021 12: 23
    Interestingly, and the deputies saved themselves from passing the examination for what reason? To be afraid not to undergo tests for alcohol-drug addiction, or an adequacy test? Or both?
    1. +1
      13 October 2021 12: 25
      Naturally, they and their relatives will not need such procedures. It's like with the premium short-barreled firearm that any deputy and middle-class businessman has. Who you don’t spit at is a hero. Thousand for 200 rubles.
  17. Kaw
    -2
    13 October 2021 13: 01
    However, those persons who, according to experts, may pose an "increased danger" to both citizens and society, will be denied a license.

    To those who too actively scolded the authorities on the Internet IMHO
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  19. +4
    13 October 2021 13: 37
    The first of these is the increase in the age to become its owner. If earlier it was 18 years old, then at the moment the applicant must be 21 years old.

    Interesting twist! That is, a machine gun in the army at the age of 18 is possible, but "ruzho" in civilian life - "no way".
    Or will the conscripts now not be given weapons, only shovels?
    1. 0
      13 October 2021 15: 05
      The weapon does not come into possession, it is only used.
  20. +1
    13 October 2021 13: 43
    It was difficult to expect a more stupid, incompetent and superficial reaction. What kind of power, such problems, and such decisions.
  21. 0
    13 October 2021 14: 54
    It looks scary and stupid at the same time. Suicide shooters (our Kerch roslyakov, this Kazansky) bought their weapons legally. They did not show any signs of "increased danger", they were characterized as quiet, somewhat reserved people. They were not terrorists or extremists, this was confirmed by the results of the investigation. Deny the legal purchase of weapons to a law-abiding citizen just because they are an introvert? This is stupid and looks like a violation of civil rights, but how to define a psycho if he is not crazy, but teeters on the brink, even experienced psychiatrists shrug their shoulders. We do not yet have an analogue of the Voight-Kampf test from Blade Runner, which determined with 100% accuracy: a person is in front of us or not. Another issue (which I closed for myself) is the acquisition of weapons for self-defense and, God forbid, the use of it within the framework of this very defense, the vicissitudes and fetters of our legislation are such that in 99% of cases - such a self-defender is guaranteed, at best, a conditional term, and this will lead to the revocation of the license and the seizure of the legitimate "trunk". The best self-defense in the Russian Federation is not to get into situations where self-defense is needed, because the state does not stand guard over the interests of citizens, but against them.
  22. +3
    13 October 2021 15: 03
    [quote] know-how in the form of a new article of the law "On weapons", which sounds like "Medical contraindications to the possession of weapons, the procedure for their identification."

    On this basis, it will be possible to mow down both from the call and from mobilization in a special period.
    1. +1
      13 October 2021 15: 26
      Let them be recruited into the army after similar checks. There, the boys are given toys more serious than the Turkish shotgun ...
      1. 0
        13 October 2021 18: 40
        I agree with this opinion.
  23. +1
    13 October 2021 16: 32
    ... it will become more difficult for Russians to acquire weapons.

    Difficult, but in principle possible. And this is presented as a solution to the problem ... Alas and ah !?
  24. +1
    13 October 2021 17: 39
    Do I understand correctly that in order to avoid hypocrisy, they plan to establish an appeal from the age of 21?
  25. 0
    13 October 2021 18: 00
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    It is clear that you do not understand ... I meant that we are up to the prohibitions on guns, knee-deep

    We have some bans .. and it gets worse .. have not noticed? The authorities cover up their incapacity with total bans on everything ..

    What list can you provide? Or, as always, farted into a puddle and let's stink?
  26. -1
    13 October 2021 18: 13
    Quote: paul3390
    Simferopol, Kazan, Perm - it's time to put things in order.

    In the Kremlin?

    There, sorry, it's too late to put things in order. There you have to TOTALLY clean up.
    1. -2
      13 October 2021 21: 16
      Quote: KSVK
      There, sorry, it's too late to put things in order. There you have to TOTALLY clean up.

      Let's start. Then you will write ...
  27. -3
    13 October 2021 20: 18
    The Kazan shooter was born on September 11, 2001, the day when the Twin Towers were destroyed by Arab terrorists in America.
  28. 0
    13 October 2021 20: 30
    A psycho or a maniac cannot be stopped by such prohibitions. How many cases of use of parental guns and carbines by schoolchildren ...
  29. -1
    13 October 2021 21: 15
    In the photo for the article, my Saiga-20K seems to be no longer produced ... for beginners, the very thing ...
  30. CYM
    0
    13 October 2021 22: 15
    Quote: ROSS 42
    There is a suspicion that the rule of law in the Russian Federation has died ... It did not die due to old age, but died in the most disgusting way - from political gangrene.

    It is dead and was born as a result of the illegal dismemberment of the USSR. Every day (on weekdays) I see the following picture. Moscow, Lubyanskaya square, several traffic lights. A third of pedestrians cross the road at a red light, as it should be. Again, at a red light, disperse pedestrians, every 5-10 minutes, with flashing lights and quacks, all kinds of special services and private ambulances (VIP taxis) pass by. Moreover, for drivers with flashing lights, it seems to be considered a special chic to slow down on the green one and drive when the red one is lit with a quack. A special mockery of the situation is added by the employees of the special commandant's office in the form of traffic police standing at each intersection, who absolutely do not react to violators. And this is happening under the walls of the central FSB, a kilometer from the Kremlin. That is, ignorance of the law has already become entrenched among the people at the everyday-everyday level, and this is a verdict on the system. negative
    1. 0
      14 October 2021 06: 49
      It was not "entrenched among the people," but those in power were reinforced among the people. If the law is not written to one person, then the other is tempted not to observe this law.
  31. CYM
    +1
    13 October 2021 22: 38
    Quote: Region-25.rus
    yes kapets. They drive like crazy. You walk calmly, then a scooter with a body on it materializes with a whistle from the back half a meter away.

    Really got it. At one time I even began to think about options for self-defense, well, or "an accident", for such riders. winked
  32. 0
    14 October 2021 06: 46
    The reaction should be to introduce the death penalty for murderers. Everything else is from the evil one.

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