A promising long-range MANPADS will expand the capabilities of the Russian army air defense

The Russian army will soon receive long-range portable anti-aircraft missile systems. Bekkhan Ozdoev, industrial director of the Rostec armament complex, stated that the development is being carried out by enterprises that are part of the state corporation.

According to a Rostec representative, Russian specialists are working to increase the maximum range of MANPADS, which is currently no more than five to six kilometers. At what stage the work is, whether a new anti-aircraft complex is being created or the modernization of existing ones is planned, Ozdoev did not say anything. In the future, the new long-range MANPADS should expand the capabilities of the Russian army air defense.

Meanwhile, the representative of the Mechanical Engineering Design Bureau, Alexander Romanyuk, clarified what was said by the representative of Rostec, explaining that the KBM designers are working not only to increase the maximum range of destruction of MANPADS, but also the probability of hitting targets. According to him, it is about increasing the sensitivity of the MANPADS homing head.

New systems should easily shoot down small targets, including Drones

- leads RIA News his words.

To date, the Russian army is armed with two types of MANPADS, including all modifications - these are "Igla" and "Verba". As the Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces, Oleg Salyukov, recently announced, a third MANPADS is being prepared for service, capable of hitting targets without reacting to heat traps. We are talking about the portable complex "Label".

Comments

[Jacket in stock]

How to increase the range is very simple. Throw away the ancient heavy blind seeker and replace it with a new light one.

Oh yes, for this you need to do this very GOS first, and for this you need to make a photo matrix, a processor, teach it to recognize images ... and so on, so on, so on ...
And this is all oh, how difficult it is, this is a whole industry, however.

[Ross xnumx]

... the third MANPADS, capable of hitting targets without reacting to heat traps, is being prepared for adoption. We are talking about the portable complex "Label".

I'd like to quickly see the work (results of work) of such a MANPADS in a real combat situation.

[Yngvar]

And for a real goal!

[12.7]

If this is the case ... P and dos - they are all right with that, aren't they? No one seems to doubt? Why are their Stingers in height in the same echelon with our Verba?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Jacket in stock

How to increase the range is very simple. Throw away the ancient heavy blind seeker and replace it with a new light one.

The dimensions of the rocket can also be increased. It is clear that the convenience of working with the complex will decrease, but if you urgently need to get an increase in the range of MANPADS urgently, this is the easiest way.

[Jcvai]

It is more optimal, IMHO, to dig in the direction of fuel and speed - "pocket hypersound"

[TermNachTer]

I'm embarrassed to ask - if Russian MANPADS are so bad, then why are they being bought?)))) Now, on the MANPADS market, the choice is huge)))

[bobba94]

Let me give you an example ....... The Americans are selling the Javelin ATGM kit (launcher + 6 missiles) for $ 1,4 million. The Ukrainian set of MANPADS Stugna-P was recently sold in the UAE for 200 thousand dollars .... The Russian ATGM Kornet in terms of performance corresponds to the ATGM Stugna-P, that is, it costs about the same. Think about it

[TermNachTer]

Maybe you are confusing something, but ATGM and MANPADS are very different things, although sometimes ATGMs were fired at helicopters. But the comparison is not correct.

[bk316]

Throw away the ancient heavy blind seeker

Do not tell me how much the willow seeker weighs as a percentage of the total weight of the rocket.
Especially the processor

[Nikolaevich I]

Hmmm ...! "The secrets of the Madrid court mixed in the Oblonskys' house"! How good "everything is ready-made"! They will sort everything for you, put it on the shelves, explain! And then mine ... waste "electric energy": Sho tse take? Sho for "Mark"? In general, I bet on the thermal imaging seeker (matrix IKGSN ...)! I could have put on a laser guidance system, but no hint of an emitting one! So ... the bet is made! It is necessary to contact the VO moderators to accept bets!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

It is necessary to contact the VO moderators to accept bets!

... but why, a sensible proposal, I support, both as a member and with both hands ... to wang an interesting idea ... otherwise milbet, orc and other bookmaking, ... and here on VO glade without banks

[riwas]

A promising long-range MANPADS will expand the capabilities of the Russian army air defense

The increase in the range is probably primarily associated with the defeat of attack UAVs and helicopters before they use guided weapons. Yes, and on cruise missiles, too, extra range will not hurt.
This is what our military specialists think.

The massive use of cruise missiles (CR) in combination with their high accuracy has dramatically reduced the effectiveness of existing air defense systems. Indeed, in order to resist the raids of the CD, it is necessary to place a sufficient number of launchers of anti-aircraft missile systems in dangerous directions with a total ammunition that is two to three times higher than the total number of CD in such raids. Considering that in one of the last military conflicts more than two thousand missiles were fired, then the total ammunition of the air defense missile system for their destruction should be four to six thousand missiles. Not every country is capable of this, not to mention the economic feasibility of using large anti-aircraft missiles against the CD, at a price comparable or even exceeding their cost. The developers of air defense systems came to the conclusion that it is MANPADS that are largely suitable for this purpose.

https://bukren.my1.ru/publ/ware/asimm_otvet_6/2-1-0-87

[Cananecat]

Quote: riwas

The developers of air defense systems came to the conclusion that it is MANPADS that are largely suitable for this purpose.

If it is integrated into the lighting system via wi-fi, then the developers can applaud while standing. ))

[riwas]

The unique automated control system for MANPADS "Verba" allows detecting single and group air targets, determining the parameters of their flight and distributing them among anti-aircraft gunners in automatic mode.
http://nevskii-bastion.ru/verba/
To ensure the operation of MANPADS there are:
- a portable fire control module (PMUO), indexed 9S933. It is part of the Barnaul-T automation kit (KSA), designed to automate the process of actions of a detachment of anti-aircraft gunners MANPADS and improve effective weapons control.
- portable small-sized radar 1L122 "Garmon".
- A complex of automation equipment for the anti-aircraft gunners' squad (KSAS), which received the index 9S935 and is also part of the KSA "Barnaul-T". This complex is designed to equip anti-aircraft gunner squads with MANPADS, improve the efficiency of weapon control under any conditions of a combat situation and coordinate their actions. The elements of the complex are placed on the shooter's protective helmet and wearable vest, in order not to reduce the maneuverability of anti-aircraft gunners' squads and platoons.
https://topwar.ru/150530-ruchnye-kompleksy-pvo-chast-10-pzrk-verba.html

[Cananecat]

Quote: riwas

The unique automated control system for MANPADS "Verba" allows detecting single and group air targets, determining the parameters of their flight and distributing them among anti-aircraft gunners in automatic mode.

That's all good ... is the detection range the same as the hitting range? Or maybe a platoon of anti-aircraft gunners will sit in ambush, scanning the air situation ready to fire MANPADS for the approach of the CD?

[riwas]

Or maybe a platoon of anti-aircraft gunners will sit in ambush, scanning the air situation ready to fire MANPADS for the approach of the CD?

The MANPADS units are part of the general air defense system and receive data for firing centralized, in addition, they have their own 1L122 "Garmon" radar for target detection. And there are devices for transmitting this data to each MANPADS shooter.

[svoit]

Quote: riwas

large anti-aircraft missiles

So it seems that these our military experts decided that large missiles on AWACS planes, or did Thor and Wasps missiles hit large ones?
And as interestingly as the accuracy of the CD affects the effectiveness of air defense, does it really care what the target's accuracy is?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: svoit

And how interesting is the accuracy of the CD effect on the effectiveness of air defense,

Perhaps we are talking about assessing the effectiveness of air defense systems covering targets attacked by the CD. Judged by the end result. If all CDs participating in the attack are destroyed by air defense and the covered object is not hit, then the effectiveness is high. If part of the CD, without being destroyed, simply missed the target, due to low accuracy, then the effectiveness of the air defense will also be high (the protected object is not hit). And if the accuracy of the RC is close to 100%, then everything will have to be shot down to confirm the high efficiency. Personally, I think so.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Polite Elk

If part of the CD, without being destroyed, simply missed the target, due to low accuracy, then the effectiveness of air defense will also be high

I remember they wrote that some of the "axes" were landed and blinded with electronic warfare systems ...

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Canecat

I remember they wrote that some of the "axes" were landed and blinded with electronic warfare systems ...

I hope it did. Reducing the accuracy of missile launchers or landing them by means of electronic warfare leads to a decrease in the likelihood of hitting targets by them and relieves the target channels of air defense systems.

[Alex777]

Quote: Polite Elk

Perhaps we are talking about assessing the effectiveness of air defense systems covering targets attacked by the CD.

The first target, with a massive raid, is air defense systems.
And they themselves need cover.
A couple of months ago, I would have just laughed about MANPADS for this ...
But after our Lieutenant Igloi-S shot down a Chinese TY-300D target missile at the International Army Games, I will not laugh anymore.
https://www.vesti.ru/article/2606646

And how interesting is the accuracy of the CD effect on the effectiveness of air defense,

Very much affects the defeat of air defense / missile defense systems.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Alex777

our lieutenant Igloi-S shot down a Chinese target missile TY-300D

How difficult is this target for MANPADS?

[Alex777]

Quote: Polite Elk

How difficult is this target for MANPADS?

If not for the movie, I simply would not have believed it.
Later I watched the interview of this hero.
He said that they were specially trained.
And he is the only one at the games who succeeded.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Alex777

If not for the movie, I simply would not have believed it.

The name of the target doesn't tell me anything. I proceed from the fact that its characteristics are adequate to the capabilities of the means of destruction. And from your words, as I understand it, the lieutenant threw a fly in the eye.

[Alex777]

Quote: Polite Elk

The name of the target doesn't tell me anything.

I found, in the Competition Regulations (Appendix 10), that the flight speed of this target is 250-300 m / s. Altitude 1000-2000 m (for 1500 knocked down)
https://mil.ru/files/files/armygames2021/polozhenie/polozhenie_nebo_ru.pdf
And here - in general, fiction is written:
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/20218281727-K61be.html

[Hey]

The range is clear. Two questions arise. The height of the lesion? Detection at extreme parameters?

[svoit]

Quote: Polite Elk

If a part of the CR, without being destroyed, simply missed

If one missile is enough to hit the protected object, then it will be possible to assess whether it will hit the target or miss it only on approach, and then it will be too late to shoot down, it is not known whether it will hit or not

[Polite Moose]

Quote: svoit

it is possible to evaluate whether it hits the target or misses only on approach

Everything is correct. This is how Israel's Iron Dome works. It knocks down targets dangerous for the covered object, ignores those flying by.

[Zaurbek]

Will the missile be R-73? Off the shoulder?

[Ripap]

What kind of fashion has gone, R&D has just begun and they are already shouting at every corner ..

[Dkuznecov]

We are waiting for the series.
In the meantime, bla-bla-bla about
how soon we will heal well.
One chatter about "promising" samples all around.

[FrankyStein]

The complex must be robotic, otherwise it is impossible to intercept a cruise missile at such distances and heights.

[UA3QHP]

Maximum range or altitude. How will the operator see the target at a distance of more than 6 km?

[Roma 1977]

It is expensive to shoot from MANPADS at drones. And what will increase the range of MANPADS, say, up to 10 km, if modern helicopters are very close to the maximum missile launch distance of 20 km? Many questions.