Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States

Due to US sanctions, Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States. Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.

About it сообщает news agency RBC.

The largest market for the export of products of Russian manufacturers of ammunition for civilian weapons are the United States. Now the Russian Federation is forced to significantly reduce its presence in this country. And if in the near future the American authorities do not remove the obstacles, then Russia will completely lose the US market.

Additions to the sanctions package adopted by Washington in September are hindering the flow of Russian patrons to American consumers. Among other things, they prohibit the supply of weapons and ammunition to the United States. Of course, the supply of products from the Russian Federation will not stop overnight. All previously signed Russian-American contracts will be fulfilled, but it will not be possible to extend them or conclude new ones. The fact is that they will require a license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). And this organization was obliged to refuse to issue permits when it comes to weapons and ammunition made in Russia.

Russia currently holds 21 percent of the US civilian ammunition market. Annually, the United States receives more than $ 100 million worth of such products from the Russian Federation.

Now American consumers are experiencing an acute shortage of ammunition, the price of which is skyrocketing. The United States is considered the world's largest market for civilian ammunition.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)
The news is absolutely not encouraging. I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)
The news is absolutely not encouraging. I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!

She will be instantly busy.
Both by the Americans themselves, and all by this gang-brother, who in Soviet times built cartridge factories for Soviet (later Russian) cartridge calibers.
Oh. something but with the production of small arms and related products in this world, there is no shortage at all.

[paul3390]

Ours take only at the price .. Alas - the overwhelming majority of our patrons are outright shit .. Even Serbian and Czech ones are much better .. If just for babaching - then, of course, BPZ of 13p is out of competition .. then the price will be at least 90 rubles ...

So it's hard to replace these good things, but those who want to rivet junk are on the planet above the roof.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: paul3390

Ours take only at the price .. Alas - the overwhelming majority of our patrons are outright shit .. Even Serbian and Czech ones are much better .. If just for babaching - then, of course, BPZ of 13p is out of competition .. then the price will be at least 90 rubles ...

So it's hard to replace these good things, but those who want to rivet junk are on the planet above the roof.

About "ours" - why is that?
Maybe the shelf life? Well, are they withdrawn into civilian circulation after a long time, when the degradation of gunpowders is already underway?

[raw174]

Quote: SovAr238A

About "ours" - why is that?
Maybe the shelf life? Well, are they withdrawn into civilian circulation after a long time, when the degradation of gunpowders is already underway?

No, civilian cartridges are produced separately, they are not the ones produced for the army.
The main problem of our cartridges is the unstable quality, for rifled weapons, it happens that it is necessary to zero the optics under cartridges from different batches. Smooth quality is also not stable. Much depends on the powder, it's good if the powder is imported ...

[Kasym]

If the MO is ready to buy more expensive cartridges, then there will be no problems with production. In the Republic of Kazakhstan, for example, they recently opened the production of cartridges (Canadian equipment; brass, gunpowder - our snipers are happy). In Kazakhstan, the government announced that the military-industrial complex will "strain" over what is not in the CIS. At the last meeting, the CSTO agreed that the Republic of Kazakhstan will finance R&D jointly with the Russian Federation.
To be honest, at least 3 months. stop trading with "sanctioners" - you will not lose much - but many tobaccos will become "silk" - now is the very moment. They are col. revolutions are organized by investing huge amounts of money, and we don't need to organize anything.
The second time I print the text. At the first typing, some kind of "crap" got out .. And when I corrected it and pressed "send" - the reaction was like "cancellation" - it erased everything.

[Alexfly]

And so it is, the quality is so-so, the gunpowder is mediocre ... Hunters cannot do anything, soon they will not even be able to press in ...

[Baron pardus]

It is said so that it is clearly visible that people in weapons and ammunition do not understand nifiga. Ammunition Wolf, Barnaul, Silver Bear, Golden Tiger are famous for their reliability. They are not match, but no one represents them as match. For general practical shooting, they are more than adequate, especially at this price point. The Russian ammunition, to be honest, has only ONE drawback. The bullet is not copper plated, but copper washed. That is, the coating on the bullet is very thin, and the barrels wear out faster. However, as has already been calculated more than once. It was cheaper to use Russian cartridges (20-25 cents each) and change the barrels every 8000 shots than to use American cartridges (50-60 cents a piece) and change the barrels every 12000 shots. In terms of accuracy, Barnaul and Silver Bear (which was sold in the USA under the COLT brand), well, are not inferior at all to conventional (non-match) ammunition made in the USA or Serbia. Feature of Russian ammunition - "dirty" gunpowder. The accuracy and accuracy is not particularly affected, but the weapon needs to be cleaned more often. But if you are a disciplined shooter, then you will be cleaning your rifle anyway after every trip to the shooting range.

[paul3390]

You, as I understand it, are an awesome connoisseur .. It is felt. Have you read a lot of magazines? And take a pack of BPZ yourself and say stupidly outweigh the cartridges? And at the same time - to compare the landing of the bullet? And here - all at once all the tales about the type of reliability and disappear .. I'm already silent about the stupid test - to take a pack of BPZ and say Partizan and it is corny to personally shoot .. Theorists have become divorced.

[Baron pardus]

He fired both Partisan and Polish Mesko, and others. I don't feel much difference. The boar gives 2.5 MOA, so it does. AR15 as gave the same 2.5 MOA, so it does. Fiocchi will be better. But not enough to pay 2.5 times more for it. I repeat for the Chukchi, who is not a reader but a writer. Normal for everyday shooting. If you are from 50 meters with Wolfe, from AK you cannot hit a target with a diameter of 20 cm, then neither Fiocchi nor Prvi Partizan will help you.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Baron Pardus

He fired both Partisan and Polish Mesko, and others. I don't feel much difference. The boar gives 2.5 MOA, so it does. AR15 as gave the same 2.5 MOA, so it does. Fiocchi will be better. But not enough to pay 2.5 times more for it. I repeat for the Chukchi, who is not a reader but a writer. Normal for everyday shooting. If you are from 50 meters with Wolfe, from AK you cannot hit a target with a diameter of 20 cm, then neither Fiocchi nor Prvi Partizan will help you.

Wait.
I'm just not in the subject.
And the Boar can be considered a weapon - the starting point for the quality of shooting?
My guys branded Tiger, very hard ...
The guys really worked.
Why has the Boar become something indicative?

[-Dmitry-]

My guys branded Tiger, very hard ...

Xs, we love the Tiger very much. But also Tiger Tiger strife. Among the hunters, the Legion Tiger is highly prized, but they seem to have been taken out of production. And my friend, who has just Legionovsky, said that the usual Tiger, in principle, is normal - a lot will be a little worse of course, but for you he said :)))

The guys really worked.

You mean hunters?

[Baron pardus]

Sir, let's try to understand what kind of Kalash we are talking about. Tiger (Hunting SVD, and NOT a Kalash) is NOT exported to the USA at all. Exported in small quantities in the early 90s. Very, very much appreciated in the collector's market. For the Tiger, 10 pieces can be easily obtained. In the USA, the following were exported from Russian rifles: SAIGA, SAIGA-M (with a weighted barrel and receiver, but without a machine gun flap). Barrel Length 16.3-20.5 Inches. In calibers 5.45, 5,56NATO, 7.62x39, 7.62NATO, 30-06. AND VEPRi. In calibers 5.45, 5,56NATO, 7.62x39, 7.62NATO, 7.62x54R, 6.5Grendel. 243 Winchester, 30-06. Super Boar and Boar Pioneer were also exported. Boars had barrels 16.3 inches long and up to 24 inches long.
In the US, Boar is considered the GOLDEN STANDARD of AK. Previously, this niche was occupied by the Bulgarian joint stock companies of ARSENAL. For Boar, an accuracy of 2.0MOA is considered normal. For the saiga, 2.5-3.0 MOA is considered normal. With match ammunition, this accuracy increases slightly. Recently, Serbian Zastavas have joined the GOOD AK rifles in 5.56NATO (ZPAP M90) and 7.62x39 (ZPAP M70) calibers. Prior to this, Serbian Kalash were not particularly appreciated because they did not have a chrome-plated barrel. Even the Romanian WASRs had chrome barrels.

Another of the Kalashobraznyh in the USA was imported PSL-54 which LOOKED like SVD, but inside it is a Kalash. Many bought it and "made up" under the SVD. The Serbian version on the same topic is also exported. LOOKS like SVD, inside - Kalash. Both are in 7.62x54P caliber and 24 "long barrel.

[-Dmitry-]

In the US, Boar is considered the GOLDEN STANDARD of AK.

Boars are heavy sho kapets. They have the same box from the PKK. Well, the accuracy of 2 MOA is doubtful, in terms of the fact that it is not very accurate :). I think the Tiger, not even Legionovsky, has much more accuracy.

Another of the Kalashobraznyh in the USA was imported PSL-54 which LOOKED like SVD, but inside it is a Kalash. Many bought it and "made up" under the SVD. The Serbian version on the same topic is also exported. LOOKS like SVD, inside - Kalash. Both are in 7.62x54P caliber and 24 "long barrel.

And this is apparently a Romanian hybrid of SVD and AKM. Well, the Zastava was, yes, under the SVD.

[Baron pardus]

Go to any weapons forum in the US. (Go to Kiev and ask). Boar is the gold standard of AK. As for the accuracy, with normal cartridges the Vepr and 1.5MOA can give, especially the Vepr 556 or 545. Yes, the receiver from the RPK, and the machine-gun barrel. By the way, the trunk of the Boar, in the region of 308 inches. Exactly as on a standard AP0.75 or M15.
PSL-54C is the Romanian version of the Vepr 7.62x54. I mean, this is an AK in caliber 7.62x54 that cosplays under the SVD, exactly like a Zastava.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSL_(rifle)


As for the Tiger. Sir, let me remind you that the Tiger works on a short-stroke piston system, and Kalash-like ones on a long stroke system, and even with a heavy bolt group of flying tuda and vice versa. So yes, the Tiger will probably be more heaped. But climb the Weapon Forums. For us, the accuracy of 2.0-2.5 MOA is the norm, but with good cartridges it will be better. By the way, VEPRI absolutely do not like heavy bullets, the best results are achieved on Boars with 145-168 grain bullets and 180 grain bullets fly wherever they want. And accuracy, it also depends on the rigidity of the structure. In slow motion, you can clearly see how an ordinary Kalash chatter and twists. M16, by the way, too, but much smaller. And to increase the rigidity of the structure, you need a thick barrel (like on the M16 and Vepr) and the receiver is more rigid than on a conventional AK. There are no miracles.

[-Dmitry-]

Boar is the gold standard of AK.

Well, you have it in America. At the same time, I think that it is far from the hunters who think so. It's not true to go hunting with a heavy Kalashoid.

As for the Tiger. Sir, let me remind you that the Tiger works on a short-stroke piston system, and Kalash-like ones on a long stroke system, and even with a heavy bolt group of flying tuda and vice versa.

Yes, I actually have nothing against it, just here one comrade wrote, they say, "the knowledgeable guys" scolded the Tiger. In my opinion, it is initially clear that even the worst Tiger (among the Tigers, of course) will be much closer together than the best Boar.

[Baron pardus]

In the USA, ANY AK is viewed primarily as a weapon of SHTF. Therefore, indestructibility + reliability + accuracy + cudgeliness is important :-). Even the most sophisticated ARka will be inferior in terms of indestructibility and cudgeliness. You can put a gas piston on the arch, and become more reliable, but the receiver will remain aluminum, the butt - hollow and plastic, and the buffer tube is brittle. When I was in Iraq, I showed how to overcome obstacles with the help of Kalash. That they say you loosen the belt, put the Kalash on the stock, your foot on the barrel and use it as a step, and then pull it up on the belt behind you. With ARKA, this can only be done if you are a small person, and then the buffer tube (which is in the butt) may not withstand. And miracles do not happen. If you want accuracy, then if you please put a hard barrel (as on the 0.75-inch arch), and at the same time a rigid receiver. If the AR receiver is made of steel, it will also be heavy. You can, of course, make a receiver on the Vepr from aircraft aluminum forged AR receivers - from 7075 aircraft aluminum and forged, yes, they will be tough, but the price will be appropriate. There are no miracles. Cheap, reliable, Kuchno, easy. You cannot win in all categories.
As for the "Kalashevskaya" inaccuracy. It's not about the system. For example, Galil is the same Kalash, but the accuracy will be better. (by the way, it is heavier), FN / FTS is also the same Kalash, it will also be more interesting. Whitefish from Zemstvo 550 (SIG556 was sold in the USA) the same Kalash, but also good accuracy. It's about the rigidity and fit of the parts. And not in "congenital oblique systems with a long piston stroke".

VERY few tigers were brought to the USA, the prices for them are now sky-high, as well as for the Chinese NMD - a clone of the SVDshki. There was no way to compare. Vepr 308 wins over FAL, but loses to both M14 and XK91 in accuracy. Considering that the ban of the Boar, the boar cost 500-600 bucks, the FAL cost 1200, the PTR91 - about the same, the M14 made in the USA, and even higher, then there is no question why I took the Boar 308 (took 5 pieces).

[-Dmitry-]

In the USA, ANY AK is viewed primarily as a weapon of SHTF.

We also have it, but in a comprehensive manner, since weapons are usually bought for hunting. Moreover, based on what kind of game there will be a hunt, this is why they dance mostly. For example, if you don't plan on a moose, but on a small game like a roe deer, then even 22LR speak enough. But I somehow doubt it and I consider the minimum caliber in 5.6, 5.45, .223, for roe deer.
My time for rifling has long been approached, now I am thinking what caliber to take, I tend to 5.45 or 7.62x39. Maybe I'll save some money for AMV-521 :)

[Baron pardus]

They don't hunt here with Kalash. They practically do not hunt. In many states, there are generally restrictions on what you can hunt with. And I mean not only restrictions on how many cartridges are in the store (sometimes even 3 is the limit). And here's the thing. The 7.62x39 cartridge is NOT considered particularly serious here, for example, against a black bear (and it's not difficult to run into such a one) it is considered rather weak. They hunt here either with shotguns or with lever rifles (for example, the 30-30 caliber traditionally adored by the Americans), they hunt a lot with magazine rifles (bolt action), the Remington 700 is very popular, for example. Many hunt with old army shops - K98, Mosin, Lee Enfield, Springfield. Very few people hunt with AR15, or AK. AP15 is popular for "varmint hunting", that is, hunting for medium-sized game, such as marmots, gophers, coyotes, but again, this is not with a 30 round magazine, and it is not with the standard "military level" M4 (2.5-3.5) MOA. And with much more accurate vinotvki, and now 224 Valkyries have begun to gain popularity. It's just more long-range.
Here, in general, many hunters work "interestingno". They call themselves "sportsmen", and they themselves not only do not hunt down the game, but simply climb a tree, use baits, and then shoot either point-blank or from a great distance using powerful rifles with strong optics (for example 6.5 coldmore, 243 Winchester, 7- 08, 270 Vinmag, well, further down the list). Many hunting rifles don't even have flies, just a rail for optics and that's it. It doesn't even smell like sports. And many Americans, even "hunter-sportsmen" are really in disgusting form. There is a very good market for "lightweight" rifles, they say it is more convenient to carry. For example Remington 700 TI. There's a titanium receiver. But miracles do not happen, if your rifle in caliber 308 weighs 3 kilos, then it will kick you in the shoulder more than the same rifle weighing 4.5 kilos. But you shoot not only on the hunt, but also on the shooting range.
By the way, I hunted deer with Lee Enfield :-).

[Alien From]

I agree with you completely! You will sweat after ours, but if you shoot at skeet ........ generally gloom.

[seregatara1969]

And what about driving blacks out of the garden?

[wow]

Yeah, of course "better", especially the Czech ones! At work, our cartridges were fired from TT, and then they received Czech ones, so what? The sound of the shot resembles the explosion of a firecracker from the barrel - a sheaf of sparks (!) And, in fact, the bullet does not reach the target set at a distance of 50 meters !!! I asked the nachboy, what did you buy them in the "All three" store. Nope says we got Czech ammunition. Like this !

[Sling cutter]

Quote: paul3390

If just for babakhing - then of course the 13p BPZ is beyond competition.

Barnaul cartridges are ......., ugly! Comrade I advise TPZ Cartridge 7,62x39 TPZ SP 10,0 bimetal = 12 rubles.

[Cron]

It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)

Reading just the title is evil.

Now the Russian Federation is forced to significantly reduce its presence in this country.

Additions to the sanctions package adopted by Washington in September are hindering the flow of Russian patrons to American consumers.

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Cron

Reading only the header

They cannot go further than the title. Get tired.

[zwlad]

Most of the articles beyond the title can not be read, but go directly to the comments.
Much more useful information can be found.

[ja-ja-vw]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)

us and ours, yes.
The author MODELY kept silent: these are "CHEMICAL SANCTIONS"

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

The news is absolutely not encouraging. I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!

for 9 months they shipped either 114 roofing felts for $ 118 million / about the same as for the whole last year /
Very sad

Quote: Yrec

Perhaps they will use countries - "gaskets" with a change of registration.

the option, as with shrimp from Belarus, will not work.
There, an import license must be issued: they will come and check sea ​​with shrimps production.

[poquello]

Quote: ja-ja-vw

the option, as with shrimp from Belarus, will not work.
There, an import license must be issued: they will come and check

and in Mexico the service will not save American fans to shoot with our cartridges?

[Baron pardus]

Not only the cartridges themselves are prohibited, but also ANY COMPONENTS made in Russia. That is, if Belarus or Kazakhstan there can make cartridges and SHOW that everything is their own, from shells to primers, and to bullets with gunpowder, then ONLY then such ammunition can be imported to the United States. Russian ammunition generally occupied 40% of the American market. It is because of the cheapness and reliability that "Тhey may be dirty, but they go" boom "every time". The Poles have already started to supply their 7.62x39, the MESKO company, the Serbs have connected with the BELOM company. But 7.62x54 and 5.45x39 so far there is no replacement. According to my conversation with the ammunition importer (Sporting Supplies International), they have a permit for the next 1.5 years. So, for another 1.5 years, ammunition will be imported from Russia, while they will be looking for replacements. They imported earlier 5.45x39 from Ukraine too (with a bullet weight of not 60 grains, but 69 grains), but that plant is corny dead. By the way, at the same time, space technologies from Russia fell under the sanctions.

[poquello]

Quote: poquello

and in Mexico the service will not save American fans to shoot with our cartridges?

Quote: Baron Pardus

Not only the cartridges themselves are prohibited, but also ANY COMPONENTS made in Russia.

banned for sale or personal importation?

[Baron pardus]

As far as I understand, they are prohibited from import. Generally. That is, ANY company that wants to export ammunition to the United States must PROVE that ALL components: Liners, primers, Gunpowder, Bullets are NOT Russian-made. No ammunition components and ammunition made with them CANNOT be imported into the USA.
I don't understand why your government is not responding to US sanctions. From the word at all. There are many options - from the termination of the copyright protection of American companies and citizens in Russia and the CIS, up to 300% duties on everything made, or at least partially made in the USA. And including the copying of American goods and the sale of unlicensed copies, or with minimal changes. 40% of the US ammunition market is HUGE money. By striking back at American companies such as Microsoft, or American cinema, not only ceased to protect copyright holders, but promote the distribution of pirated copies, or simply rewrite programs to sell them as their own. Instead of Widnows 10 ... Veranda 1 ... The most interesting thing is doing the same .. in the USA itself. They take the original, change it minimally (but change it) and resell it as "their own".

This old scum, Joe Biden, not only stole the elections, but under him the degeneration of the country and society reached an unprecedented speed. From 14 year old boys in skirts of raping girls in schools, with a system that protects not victims, but rapists, since they are not only an "oppressed but distinctive national minority", but also a "oppressed but proud sex minority." Before the failure in Afghanistan, and before the open attack on Constitution and rights. To the point that people are turned into parasites by paying them so much money to stay at home, that factories and factories cannot find workers with a salary of 15 bucks an hour and a 3000 dollar bonus after 3 months. And to racism and sexism screaming "Every man is a potential rapist" and "Every white man is by definition an oppressor and colonizer." therefore both white men and men, and especially white men, must "REPENT". Therefore, anything that goes to the detriment of the Biden administration and the liberals will benefit the United States.

Are you wondering why the United States and NATO and Japan become impudent? And because, for now, whatever they do to them, EVERYTHING gets away with it.
Imagine that some country just imposed sanctions against the United States, do you think that the United States would not have responded to this?
Are you wondering why Ukraine is getting impudent? And because they get away with it. Do you want Ukraine, for example, to become like silk? a) Prohibit the transfer of money to Ukraine, b) Deport ALL Ukrainian gasterbayters. c) Shut off ALL gas and oil with them. Let them heat with firewood, as in besieged Leningrad - through each window - a pipe of a stove. Or let them buy from Hungarians and Romanians, who will rip off everything from them, including cowards.

Forgive me for digressing from the topic but just painful. Every day you think - everything, khan, will not be worse. And here the Biden administration and the liberals say, "Will it not be worse? But we will show and prove that we can do worse."

[poquello]

Quote: Baron Pardus

As far as I understand, they are prohibited from import. Generally.

I'm not talking about import, we do duty free cartridges in Mexico and voila - all cartridges will be on the US market,))))))))))) on black

[Baron pardus]

If you build a plant in Mexico, and you make cartridges WITHOUT Russian components - yes, you can import. Provided that the plant will not be owned by those people and companies that are ALREADY under sanctions. So that there was some kind of zits presenter Pound. With the black market, ammunition will not fail. NOBODY will buy Russian ammunition (on the black market, you will be surprised, the prices are not cheaper but more expensive), at exorbitant prices with the risk of going to jail. What for? It is easier to buy absolutely legal Polish or Serbian or Bulgarian there.
In addition, by building a plant in Mexico, you will get problems with both the mafia (which will require free ammunition) and with the mentors (which will require money for covering up)
It is best to build factories, including gunpowder and bullet-making, in some FRIENDLY country of Russia, for example, Belarus or Bulgaria or Serbia.

[poquello]

Quote: Baron Pardus

If you build a factory in Mexico

not a small factory, a shop on the border)

[Baron pardus]

Read the Mexican laws on the acquisition of weapons and ammunition by foreigners. Do you really think that no one here understands anything about commerce except you? Here half of Odessa lives in Brooklyn and other places :-)

[sakuz]

Yes, not everything is so rosy with you there, in the Oklahoma region ...

[Baron pardus]

Wisconsin :-). We still have nothing, but in New York, California, Illinois, Oregon, in short, EVERYWHERE where liberals have seized power, especially where blacks and Meks have become more than 30% of the population - KHANA. Turn off the light and drain the oil.

[blackberry]

Quote: Baron Pardus

I don't understand why your government is not responding to US sanctions.

But because Putin's friends and those affiliated with them are not looking for a hillock to lose what they have been exporting for 20 years - they will instantly block everything. In general, Putin recently allowed exporters to keep all foreign exchange earnings in foreign accounts. Here is such a pro-Russian president. So our development is not due to, but in spite of some ...

[Letun]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)
The news is absolutely not encouraging. I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!

What shot yourself in the foot? What are you talking about? Did you read the article or just the title? The USA is closing a huge market for us and the niche will certainly fill, but not by our manufacturer.

[The leader of the Redskins]

It’s you, apparently, running over one heading.
Did you try to look at the root? Why is the Russian Federation forced to reduce exports? Because of the sanctions. And what about the sanctions?
USEFUL! At least they said so before!

[Catfish]

At least they said so before!

That's right - before.

Hi. Igor!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Good evening. Here Peskov already explains why goods (like, even his own, domestic) are becoming more expensive!
But no one wants to follow a logical chain, that if somewhere in Washington a small financial flow was limited, then already in Yaroslavl OUR banker will make up for his loss by inflating interest on a loan to OUR farmer.

[Catfish]

The sands of what he wants to explain can, even inexplicable, for that at court they are kept.

[poquello]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

no one wants to carry out a logical chain,

like, "would you surrender to the Germans - drink Bavarian"?

[The leader of the Redskins]

There was no need to confuse the type of the coast, but to live according to the concepts. Like the rest.

[SOF]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

There was no need to confuse the type of the coast, but to live according to the concepts. Like the rest

.... it's like ... give the Crimea ..... to score in Donbass ...... and give gas "on reverse" just like that? ..... whose concepts? - I can't catch up who confuses the coast ...

[210ox]

So who's got it in the leg? We are not ourselves who banned exports to the USA

[AUL]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Did you try to look at the root? Why is the Russian Federation forced to reduce exports? Because of the sanctions. And what about the sanctions?
USEFUL!

We now have only one way out - to create our own, internal BP market, no less than amerov's!

[Letun]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

It’s you, apparently, running over one heading.
Have you tried to look at the root?

So who shot himself in the leg? Only without demagoguery, please.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Letun

The USA is closing a huge market for us and the niche will certainly fill, but not by our manufacturer.

Well, every second person on this forum calls for the destruction of the United States. So proudly say no to trade with the damned enemy

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!

Quote: SovAr238A

She will be instantly busy.

She's already taken.
Dozens of manufacturers around the world are expressing their readiness to eliminate the shortage of "Soviet" cartridges in a matter of days.
They are more expensive, but in the absence of the main competitor, the buyer has no choice.

[Yrec]

Perhaps, they will use countries - "gaskets" with a change of registration. The loss of such a market will kill some of our cartridge factories and raise the price within our market for both the military / authorities and the civilian market.

[Alekseev]

Sell ​​through third countries if it is profitable for our producers. and if it's not time to use raw materials and materials for the production of other products for the domestic market, first of all.
It's time to get rid of the illusion that we will be allowed to sell technological products freely to the West. We and the Superjet are not allowed to sell to Iran, they say, 10% of American components.
Here gas and other raw materials will cry, like mice gnawing a cactus, but take it. There will be purely our machines, aircraft, cars, etc. on the Russian market. it will be possible to compete with China and the West in the markets of Asia, Africa, Latin America.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

And so it was, when the US imposed sanctions, our cartridge and traded with them.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Alekseev

There will be purely our machines, planes, cars on the Russian market

Quote: Alekseev

etc. it will be possible to compete with China and the West in the markets of Asia, Africa, Latin America.

There is even nothing to answer

[for]

Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.

Business, not personal.
The ammunition has no nationality.
They are in export performance, the manufacturer and the seller will not kill.
Etc. etc..
.

[Nexcom]

Bulgarian “Arsenal” and the Finns are good at this if what happens in the article. Bulgarians generally produce the entire line of Soviet ammunition to this day, even 7.62x25 is still in production. Finns rivet 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 R. Czechs also produce. Serbs. Poles. The holy place will not be empty. Americans understand this, and that's why they fix the next dirty tricks.

[Baron pardus]

As far as I know Bulgarians have stopped producing 5.45x45, and I have several barrels in this caliber. :-(

[Nexcom]

the first time I hear about such a caliber - 5.45x45. Probably you wanted to say 5.45x39? And nobody likes 5.45x39, they buy it very badly.
Or did they mean 5.56x45?

[Baron pardus]

Sorry, I meant 5.45x39. In the USA it was bought very well until it was banned by the Army with a cry "They are armor-piercing." After that, they still took Wolfe, and Golden Tiger, and Silver Bear (aka COLT). Gradually, the popularity began to decline. It got to the point that Arsenal stopped importing AK74 to the USA, and manufacturers stopped making 5.45x39 barrels for AP15. A couple of companies in the US make their AK74s and even occasionally TANTALES. For some time, Adamz Arms produced an "upper receiver" with a 5.45x39 barrel. I like 5.45, to be honest. In the USA it is produced only by one company - HORNANDI, the price is prohibitive. About $ 1 a cartridge, with a show-off because the bullet is a super expansive V-MAX

[Nexcom]

The first time I hear that 7N22 (this is an armor-piercing 5.45x39) was exported to the USA .... 7N6M was sold. then it was replaced by 7N10, but I have never heard about its deliveries to the USA.
the Americans banned the supply of armor-piercing cartridges. The Russian 9x21 is even banned.

[Baron pardus]

I said that they screamed with a show-off (!!!) "Armor-piercing" your cartridge was supplied, an army one with a bullet weight of 52 grains. EMNIP it was 7m6. It had a steel core. Liberals howled that "armor-piercing" and banned it. Why? Under US law, armor piercing cartridges are prohibited if they can be used in pistols. And we imported and produced "pistol" versions of the AK74. Romanian and Yugovsky (Outpost). This ammunition was sold in larger oval metal boxes with 1080 rounds per box.
I found articles, but it was 7n6. Your army. When yours switched to 7n6M, then 7n6 was sold in the USA.
https://www.shootingsportsretailer.com/stories/atf-bans-steel-core-5-45x39mm-imports-1
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/08/official-atf-bans-russian-7n6-5-45x39-imports/
Liberals, led by this subsimian Obama, howled that "armor-piercing cartridges" could be used in pistols that are on sale. And they banned imports. According to American law, the cartridge with a steel core is armor-piercing.

[Nexcom]

Relax, I'm not trying to catch you at all. I was just a little surprised because of my not quite correct understanding of your message.

According to American law, the cartridge with a steel core is armor-piercing.

And what, it doesn't even matter what kind of powder and energy is there?
Well, in general, be stunned, if so.

[Cowbra]

We look at what is American on the market - and the sanctions duty is 300%. Plus, as I said for a long time - to stop fighting pirate software. Consider it trophy

[zadorin1974]

Good. Why only with software. At the expense of our intellectuals there is also very confused. To forget about American patent rights. The Chinese lay down on this from the bell tower and nothing. You yourself know that this is only

[JD1979]

Quote: zadorin1974

Hammer on US patent rights.

You can score it))) in words, but in fact the scoring has not grown.

[zadorin1974]

I know, but I still hope.

[Nastia makarova]

install pirate Windows, although most of them have pirated

[Kibl]

So they switched to a machete for a long time!

[Klingon]

Yes, bullshit, the Yankees will not be able to live without extras for their pukalok, they will be supplied with Russian ammunition to the Seychelles, but to the Seychelles by Russian factories

[Ross xnumx]

Due to US sanctions Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States. Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.

Stop frightening us with sanctions (especially Russia). Europe already obos fed up with sanctions and restrictions on the "SP-2"? Weapon manufacturers have always been famous for the fact that such quality weapons and ammunition cannot be bought from anyone ...
You are welcome! The field is immeasurable, there is no end of work ...

[for]

Quote: ROSS 42

Weapon manufacturers have always been famous for the fact that such quality weapons and ammunition cannot be bought from anyone ...

They would be famous for the quality of civilian products, but what has China to do with it.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: ROSS 42

Due to US sanctions Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States. Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.

Stop frightening us with sanctions (especially Russia). Europe already obos fed up with sanctions and restrictions on the "SP-2"? Weapon manufacturers have always been famous for the fact that such quality weapons and ammunition cannot be bought from anyone ...
You are welcome! The field is immeasurable, there is no end of work ...

Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.
The spot market has no more than 1% share in the gas component.
But the real contracts of Gazprom have prices fixed for 5-10-15 years at 200-250-300 dollars ...

[poquello]

Quote: SovAr238A

Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.

and Ukraine is Europe?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: poquello

Quote: SovAr238A

Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.

and Ukraine is Europe?

do not care about hohland.
They themselves said out loud that their "virtual reverse" followed the Hungarian system.
It is now impossible.
Virtual.
They said it themselves.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: SovAr238A

Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.

Don't confuse "soft" and "warm". Answer for your words with facts, and not with the fact that gas prices on the spot market do not affect anything ... Maybe explain to us, “not stock brokers,” why would European storages be half filled with gas? Maybe long term contracts

Quote: SovAr238A

for 5-10-15 years the prices are 200-250-300 dollars ...

not allowed to take into account the realities of life, the technical state of the usual for "consumption and reverse" of the GTS? Probably, after all, there are losses if the stock exchange is in such a fever, what is the right to think that Europe has been put in a pose before a new ice age?
About “I lost nothing” and 2000 dollars for 1000 m³ you tell those grandmothers who go to the garbage dumps and “praise the rooster”. And its own "spot market" in:

Quote: ROSS 42

Stop frightening us with sanctions (especially Russia). Europe already obos fed up with sanctions and restrictions on the "SP-2"?

do not attach. The comparison is made only to show that the proverb:

Don't spit in the well - you wouldn't have to get drunk

applies to any field of activity. In particular, there is no need to puzzle over what potential buyers will do there - you just need to make high-quality weapons, showing in reality its advantages, and not the supposed characteristics and ideas of designers and developers.

[CYM]

Quote from AUL

We now have only one way out - to create our own, internal BP market, no less than amerov's!

For the BP market, no less than the amerovsky one, a "park of trunks" is needed for the population of about 300 million units, a network of shooting ranges (including free ones), and a well-developed shooting culture. And here Rosgvardia proposes (in a new bill) not only to refuse to issue, but also to cancel previously issued permits on the basis of the conclusion of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (FSB) officers. Among the goals of the proposed restrictions, in addition to countering extremism and terrorism, is indicated "to prevent citizens from gaining access to weapons who intend to use them for criminal purposes." With such an attitude of the authorities towards the owners of weapons, our manufacturers of power supplies and weapons can only hide in a corner and quietly die.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: CYM

Quote from AUL

We now have only one way out - to create our own, internal BP market, no less than amerov's!

For the BP market, no less than the amerovsky one, a "park of trunks" is needed for the population of about 300 million units, a network of shooting ranges (including free ones), and a well-developed shooting culture. And here Rosgvardia proposes (in a new bill) not only to refuse to issue, but also to cancel previously issued permits on the basis of the conclusion of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (FSB) officers. Among the goals of the proposed restrictions, in addition to countering extremism and terrorism, is indicated "to prevent citizens from gaining access to weapons who intend to use them for criminal purposes." With such an attitude of the authorities towards the owners of weapons, our manufacturers of power supplies and weapons can only hide in a corner and quietly die.

Stop stop stop ...
Why die from the fact that obtaining weapons is becoming a problem?
After all, any problem requires a solution.
A problem that is especially difficult to solve - it cuts off those who are looking for easy ways.

I must say right away - 25 years ago I was in charge of a gunsmith in a very large private security company.
I saw a lot.
And crossbows at the time of control reloading when handing over the weapon.
And this is among the guys who served in the special units of the GUIN, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the GRU ...
If anyone does not know, but in the late 90s, early 2000s, a huge number of the highest class of special forces worked in some regional private security companies ...

So.
It is necessary to drive anyone who wants to get a weapon to the shooting range for at least 12 months a year.
and give a limit of at least 100 shots per month. And so that each shot would cost him no less than 150 rubles. That is 15 thousand per month and 180 thousand per year.
Why is that? Just because:
Psychopaths have a lot of charisma, but either little money or little time.
A psychopath, with a desire for terrorist attacks, will be able to deceive a psychologist in the short term, but in the long term, all his desire to create a "big bad boom" will greatly fade away, especially considering the costs, both financial and time.
All mothers are revolutionaries, they are able to keep themselves tense (for the complete passing of all checks) for no more than 3-4 months ...
Accordingly, that fool who suddenly wants to take revenge on the school, class, etc. will be forced to arrange a "merry-go-round" for 12 months ... Which cannot be hidden if there are several psychologists. All his "psychotic nature" - will certainly shoot by itself. Psychosis from the fact that he is forced to wait a long time will come by itself.
Therefore, he will go to look for explosives, radio-controlled fuses, etc., and there he will be taken by the regulatory authorities, which work very successfully.


So I have two hands for the fact that the "entrance ticket" to the world of weapons should be very expensive!


there are examples of this.
In some countries, you are not allowed to buy a motorcycle if you cannot lift it from the ground.
If you can't stand on it with full feet.
If you are less than 25 years old, then you cannot buy a car with a capacity of over 200 HP
It actually IS.
And the population of these countries, Yu adopted these laws and complies with them.

[Baron pardus]

Great, let's make the right to self-defense available only to the rich, to the rest - in the stall. Muzzle did not come out to wield weapons. Weapons, only for rich gentlemen, slaves and stinkers - are not allowed. We are building an estate state at an accelerated pace. And then we wonder wildly why there is a revolution again, why again priests and oligarchs at the expense (because they deserve it, like last time) why again the 5th column. Russian national sport - rake jumping. And then you will wonder why Siberia will welcome the Chinese with open arms.

[Makashov]

Let them hand over the Kalash?

[Cat]

Colleagues, what are you talking about? With the total volume of Russian exports about $ 0,33 trillion, some 100 million is the level of the natural background, which will only lead to a reduction in the cost of b / c on the domestic market. In theory ... Or do you feel sorry for the members of the American Rifle Association?

[Vadim237]

7 billion rubles is not a natural background for domestic ammunition manufacturers.

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Gato

which will only lead to a reduction in the cost of b / p in the domestic market

[CYM]

Quote: SovAr238A

That is 15 thousand per month and 180 thousand per year.

Do you know what is the average salary in the Russian Federation? We are definitely talking about the MARKET of civilian weapons, and not the forced "milking" of the poor population. You will decide either a mass arms business or armed patricians, the market capacity is fundamentally different.

Quote: SovAr238A

So I have two hands for the fact that the "entrance ticket" to the world of weapons should be very expensive!

It depends. Of course, the owners of 15 "premium barrels" did not come cheap. But on the black market, purely by chance I heard, the prices are quite affordable.

[Alexfly]

Now prices on the domestic market will rise to the clouds ...
Or is it really ......?
Not the rules of acquisition and ownership will not change ...

[KSVK]

Quote: Baron Pardus

It is said so that it is clearly visible that people in weapons and ammunition do not understand nifiga. Ammunition Wolf, Barnaul, Silver Bear, Golden Tiger are famous for their reliability. They are not match, but no one represents them as match. For general practical shooting, they are more than adequate, especially at this price point.

It was the case once the BPZ "Centaur" was dismantled, the one that was still walking with the Hornadi bullet. So out of 30 rounds I COULD NOT pull bullets out of half of the rounds. This is what they put in their shell? And in two cartridges there was a HALF weight of gunpowder. (well, at least not double, ours will ). And about the torn-off bottoms of the liners at the refinery products, I generally keep quiet.

Quote: Baron Pardus

The Russian ammunition, to be honest, has only ONE drawback. The bullet is not copper plated, but copper washed. That is, the coating on the bullet is very thin, and the barrels wear out faster.

Complete nonsense.
Firstly, the coating is not "copper washed" on most of our bullets, but bimetal. Those. the bullet is covered not only with a tombak, but also with a thin steel foil. And copper, in our opinion, is not used at all for covering bullets. And an alloy called Tompak is used. It is an alloy of copper and zinc.
Secondly, the barrel dies not from abrasion of the rifling, but from the height of the bullet entry.

Quote: Baron Pardus

Feature of Russian ammunition - "dirty" gunpowder. The accuracy and accuracy is not particularly affected, but the weapon needs to be cleaned more often.

And this is also nonsense.
Firstly, now our domestic gunpowders are not much inferior to imports in their properties. Well, except that the temperature dependence is a little undersized. The problem is a significant difference in properties from batch to batch, which is not observed (almost) in imports.
Secondly, carbon deposits are easily removed from the barrel with ordinary patches (rags) and does not affect accuracy. But carbon deposits are not removed by anything other than an abrasive paste and have a great effect on shooting accuracy. And the formation of this carbon in the barrel depends on the pressure developed by the gunpowder, and not on the mythical "dirtyness" of the gunpowder. By the way, the Finnish Vihta of the 500th series is considered to be the "dirtiest" gunpowder.

[your1970]

You forget that your opponent lives in the USA .. and the old custom says in Russia "For export is the best"

[KSVK]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But no one wants to follow a logical chain, that if somewhere in Washington a small financial flow was limited, then already in Yaroslavl OUR banker will make up for his loss by inflating interest on a loan to OUR farmer.

Absolutely correct remark. The cost of production increases with a decrease in the batch, if someone does not know. And the reduction, tens of times, in the volume of lots of "civilian" patrons will inevitably cause an increase in their cost. And with the further "tightening of the screws" by our legislators in terms of the law on weapons, our manufacturers will simply refuse completely from the production of civilian ammunition.

[KSVK]

Quote: SovAr238A

Stop stop stop ...

Well no.
What you described will practically leave only a VERY narrow circle of real fans. Then you just need to FORBID. With some caveat about athletes and collectors. This will COMPLETELY kill the hunt and the civilian market of Russian manufacturers of weapons and ammunition. Because those who can afford to get a weapon according to your conditions will NEVER buy a domestic-made weapon, and even more so they will not shove domestic ammunition into it.

[Sergej1972]

I am in favor of hunters (except for professional hunters in Siberia and the Far East) in Russia as few as possible. In most regions of Central Russia, they have nothing to do. So there are very few animals left. Either hunters, or farmers with herbicides and other rubbish. Recently they showed on TV scoundrels who killed a pregnant moose. What, you can't do without wild boar, hare, elk? It is necessary, of course, to shoot the surplus of wolves, wild boars and some other animals. But for this, crowds of hunters are not needed.

[tabletkin73]

So the packaging will say "made in Belarus")

[km-21]

If I understand correctly, it is not Russia that stops supplying ammunition, but the United States stops accepting them. It seems that the result is the same, but the essence is fundamentally different.

[nod739]

Nuuu, not everything is so sad
there is also Belarus, the homeland of shrimp

[Nitarius]

they want to replace theirs most likely ... well, so!

[FRoman1984]

For our factories, it will be a colossal loss of losing a market of $ 100-120 million, which there is absolutely nothing to replace.

[Nastia makarova]

100 million penny

[75 Sergey]

Well, they themselves will close the resulting niche.
"Fair" competition.

[astra wild2]

Perhaps they want to catch 2 "birds with one stone": to punish V.V. and force their consumers to abandon Russian pistols?

[russ71]

Glad, very glad!
Maybe finally the prices for domestic cartridges on the domestic market will fall !!!

[hhurik]

Quote: poquello

Quote: SovAr238A

Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.

and Ukraine is Europe?

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, commenting on yesterday's protests near Poltava due to the arrival of evacuees from Wuhan, compared Ukraine with medieval Europe. (C)

[lopvlad]

from the Russian Federation in the amount of more than $ 100 million.

This is a trifle. Or does someone want to hand over the homeland to the Americans for the sake of supplying them with cartridges?

[Basarev]

This is not such a problem for the Americans, their manufacturers will easily organize the production of the necessary calibers. And Russia is losing another source of export earnings. Everything is hard: continuing radiophobia restricts earning opportunities at nuclear power plants, the green trend is clearly directed against our oil and gas, the Bayraks' successes undermine confidence in Russian weapons ... Russia may soon lose exports as a way of earning money. And there the maritime Silk Road will enter into force, directed exactly bypassing Russia. There will be a new Cuba or the DPRK, a country under an unspoken absolute embargo, from which the whole world has fenced off, that's just the whole thing.

[Codett]

It is a pity, of course, I hope that the manufacturers will improve the quality, it is not very high, and then I hope to be able to find new markets and at least cover the losses a little

[KSVK]

Quote: Sergej1972

I am for

And I am for the fact that 70% of the guardsmen were laid off, because they do not understand what they are doing, they only consume frantic funds for their maintenance. Just what of this?

[Diverter]

I do not think correctly that there will be more cartridges in the Russian Federation and they may become cheaper?))))

[zenion]

Do not stop under any circumstances. If it wants to be real capitalism, then sell ropes too.

[vtiper]

Russia is losing the sales market, not the supplier's Americans

[Lena Petrova]

Warn us that we will impose a ban on the sale of iPhones.

[p0pulivox]

Quote: ROSS 42

Due to US sanctions Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States. Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.

Stop frightening us with sanctions (especially Russia). Europe already obos fed up with sanctions and restrictions on the "SP-2"? Weapon manufacturers have always been famous for the fact that such quality weapons and ammunition cannot be bought from anyone ...
You are welcome! The field is immeasurable, there is no end of work ...

The manufacturing quality of our hand-held small arms has definitely declined in the post-Soviet period!