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Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States

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Due to US sanctions, Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States. Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.


About it сообщает news agency RBC.

The largest market for the export of products of Russian manufacturers of ammunition for civilian weapons are the United States. Now the Russian Federation is forced to significantly reduce its presence in this country. And if in the near future the American authorities do not remove the obstacles, then Russia will completely lose the US market.

Additions to the sanctions package adopted by Washington in September are hindering the flow of Russian patrons to American consumers. Among other things, they prohibit the supply of weapons and ammunition to the United States. Of course, the supply of products from the Russian Federation will not stop overnight. All previously signed Russian-American contracts will be fulfilled, but it will not be possible to extend them or conclude new ones. The fact is that they will require a license from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). And this organization was obliged to refuse to issue permits when it comes to weapons and ammunition made in Russia.

Russia currently holds 21 percent of the US civilian ammunition market. Annually, the United States receives more than $ 100 million worth of such products from the Russian Federation.

Now American consumers are experiencing an acute shortage of ammunition, the price of which is skyrocketing. The United States is considered the world's largest market for civilian ammunition.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 October 2021 16: 29
    .
    It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)
    The news is absolutely not encouraging. I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 12 October 2021 16: 33
      +20
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)
      The news is absolutely not encouraging. I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!

      She will be instantly busy.
      Both by the Americans themselves, and all by this gang-brother, who in Soviet times built cartridge factories for Soviet (later Russian) cartridge calibers.
      Oh. something but with the production of small arms and related products in this world, there is no shortage at all.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 12 October 2021 16: 45
        +17
        Ours take only at the price .. Alas - the overwhelming majority of our patrons are outright shit .. Even Serbian and Czech ones are much better .. If just for babaching - then, of course, BPZ of 13p is out of competition .. then the price will be at least 90 rubles ...

        So it's hard to replace these good things, but those who want to rivet junk are on the planet above the roof.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 12 October 2021 17: 08
          -6
          Quote: paul3390
          Ours take only at the price .. Alas - the overwhelming majority of our patrons are outright shit .. Even Serbian and Czech ones are much better .. If just for babaching - then, of course, BPZ of 13p is out of competition .. then the price will be at least 90 rubles ...

          So it's hard to replace these good things, but those who want to rivet junk are on the planet above the roof.

          About "ours" - why is that?
          Maybe the shelf life? Well, are they withdrawn into civilian circulation after a long time, when the degradation of gunpowders is already underway?
          1. raw174
            raw174 12 October 2021 17: 59
            +10
            Quote: SovAr238A
            About "ours" - why is that?
            Maybe the shelf life? Well, are they withdrawn into civilian circulation after a long time, when the degradation of gunpowders is already underway?

            No, civilian cartridges are produced separately, they are not the ones produced for the army.
            The main problem of our cartridges is the unstable quality, for rifled weapons, it happens that it is necessary to zero the optics under cartridges from different batches. Smooth quality is also not stable. Much depends on the powder, it's good if the powder is imported ...
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 12 October 2021 21: 47
              0
              If the MO is ready to buy more expensive cartridges, then there will be no problems with production. In the Republic of Kazakhstan, for example, they recently opened the production of cartridges (Canadian equipment; brass, gunpowder - our snipers are happy). In Kazakhstan, the government announced that the military-industrial complex will "strain" over what is not in the CIS. At the last meeting, the CSTO agreed that the Republic of Kazakhstan will finance R&D jointly with the Russian Federation.
              To be honest, at least 3 months. stop trading with "sanctioners" - you will not lose much - but many tobaccos will become "silk" - now is the very moment. They are col. revolutions are organized by investing huge amounts of money, and we don't need to organize anything. hi
              The second time I print the text. At the first typing, some kind of "crap" got out .. And when I corrected it and pressed "send" - the reaction was like "cancellation" - it erased everything.
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          2. Alexfly
            Alexfly 13 October 2021 12: 00
            +1
            And so it is, the quality is so-so, the gunpowder is mediocre ... Hunters cannot do anything, soon they will not even be able to press in ...
        2. Baron pardus
          Baron pardus 12 October 2021 17: 18
          +36
          It is said so that it is clearly visible that people in weapons and ammunition do not understand nifiga. Ammunition Wolf, Barnaul, Silver Bear, Golden Tiger are famous for their reliability. They are not match, but no one represents them as match. For general practical shooting, they are more than adequate, especially at this price point. The Russian ammunition, to be honest, has only ONE drawback. The bullet is not copper plated, but copper washed. That is, the coating on the bullet is very thin, and the barrels wear out faster. However, as has already been calculated more than once. It was cheaper to use Russian cartridges (20-25 cents each) and change the barrels every 8000 shots than to use American cartridges (50-60 cents a piece) and change the barrels every 12000 shots. In terms of accuracy, Barnaul and Silver Bear (which was sold in the USA under the COLT brand), well, are not inferior at all to conventional (non-match) ammunition made in the USA or Serbia. Feature of Russian ammunition - "dirty" gunpowder. The accuracy and accuracy is not particularly affected, but the weapon needs to be cleaned more often. But if you are a disciplined shooter, then you will be cleaning your rifle anyway after every trip to the shooting range.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 12 October 2021 17: 22
            +6
            You, as I understand it, are an awesome connoisseur .. It is felt. Have you read a lot of magazines? And take a pack of BPZ yourself and say stupidly outweigh the cartridges? And at the same time - to compare the landing of the bullet? And here - all at once all the tales about the type of reliability and disappear .. I'm already silent about the stupid test - to take a pack of BPZ and say Partizan and it is corny to personally shoot .. Theorists have become divorced.
            1. Baron pardus
              Baron pardus 12 October 2021 17: 45
              +28
              He fired both Partisan and Polish Mesko, and others. I don't feel much difference. The boar gives 2.5 MOA, so it does. AR15 as gave the same 2.5 MOA, so it does. Fiocchi will be better. But not enough to pay 2.5 times more for it. I repeat for the Chukchi, who is not a reader but a writer. Normal for everyday shooting. If you are from 50 meters with Wolfe, from AK you cannot hit a target with a diameter of 20 cm, then neither Fiocchi nor Prvi Partizan will help you.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 12 October 2021 18: 33
                -3
                Quote: Baron Pardus
                He fired both Partisan and Polish Mesko, and others. I don't feel much difference. The boar gives 2.5 MOA, so it does. AR15 as gave the same 2.5 MOA, so it does. Fiocchi will be better. But not enough to pay 2.5 times more for it. I repeat for the Chukchi, who is not a reader but a writer. Normal for everyday shooting. If you are from 50 meters with Wolfe, from AK you cannot hit a target with a diameter of 20 cm, then neither Fiocchi nor Prvi Partizan will help you.


                Wait.
                I'm just not in the subject.
                And the Boar can be considered a weapon - the starting point for the quality of shooting?
                My guys branded Tiger, very hard ...
                The guys really worked.
                Why has the Boar become something indicative?
                1. -Dmitry-
                  -Dmitry- 13 October 2021 03: 16
                  +1
                  My guys branded Tiger, very hard ...

                  Xs, we love the Tiger very much. But also Tiger Tiger strife. Among the hunters, the Legion Tiger is highly prized, but they seem to have been taken out of production. And my friend, who has just Legionovsky, said that the usual Tiger, in principle, is normal - a lot will be a little worse of course, but for you he said :)))

                  The guys really worked.


                  You mean hunters?
                2. Baron pardus
                  Baron pardus 13 October 2021 03: 35
                  +5
                  Sir, let's try to understand what kind of Kalash we are talking about. Tiger (Hunting SVD, and NOT a Kalash) is NOT exported to the USA at all. Exported in small quantities in the early 90s. Very, very much appreciated in the collector's market. For the Tiger, 10 pieces can be easily obtained. In the USA, the following were exported from Russian rifles: SAIGA, SAIGA-M (with a weighted barrel and receiver, but without a machine gun flap). Barrel Length 16.3-20.5 Inches. In calibers 5.45, 5,56NATO, 7.62x39, 7.62NATO, 30-06. AND VEPRi. In calibers 5.45, 5,56NATO, 7.62x39, 7.62NATO, 7.62x54R, 6.5Grendel. 243 Winchester, 30-06. Super Boar and Boar Pioneer were also exported. Boars had barrels 16.3 inches long and up to 24 inches long.
                  In the US, Boar is considered the GOLDEN STANDARD of AK. Previously, this niche was occupied by the Bulgarian joint stock companies of ARSENAL. For Boar, an accuracy of 2.0MOA is considered normal. For the saiga, 2.5-3.0 MOA is considered normal. With match ammunition, this accuracy increases slightly. Recently, Serbian Zastavas have joined the GOOD AK rifles in 5.56NATO (ZPAP M90) and 7.62x39 (ZPAP M70) calibers. Prior to this, Serbian Kalash were not particularly appreciated because they did not have a chrome-plated barrel. Even the Romanian WASRs had chrome barrels.

                  Another of the Kalashobraznyh in the USA was imported PSL-54 which LOOKED like SVD, but inside it is a Kalash. Many bought it and "made up" under the SVD. The Serbian version on the same topic is also exported. LOOKS like SVD, inside - Kalash. Both are in 7.62x54P caliber and 24 "long barrel.
        3. Alien From
          Alien From 12 October 2021 17: 50
          +6
          I agree with you completely! You will sweat after ours, but if you shoot at skeet ........ wassat generally gloom.
        4. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 12 October 2021 21: 43
          +1
          And what about driving blacks out of the garden?
        5. wow
          wow 12 October 2021 22: 23
          -2
          Yeah, of course "better", especially the Czech ones! At work, our cartridges were fired from TT, and then they received Czech ones, so what? The sound of the shot resembles the explosion of a firecracker from the barrel - a sheaf of sparks (!) And, in fact, the bullet does not reach the target set at a distance of 50 meters !!! I asked the nachboy, what did you buy them in the "All three" store. Nope says we got Czech ammunition. Like this !
        6. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 12 October 2021 23: 27
          -1
          Quote: paul3390
          If just for babakhing - then of course the 13p BPZ is beyond competition.

          Barnaul cartridges are ......., ugly! Comrade I advise TPZ Cartridge 7,62x39 TPZ SP 10,0 bimetal = 12 rubles.
    2. Cron
      Cron 12 October 2021 16: 33
      +16
      It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)

      Reading just the title is evil.
      Now the Russian Federation is forced to significantly reduce its presence in this country.

      Additions to the sanctions package adopted by Washington in September are hindering the flow of Russian patrons to American consumers.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 12 October 2021 21: 33
        +5
        Quote: Cron
        Reading only the header

        They cannot go further than the title. Get tired.
        1. zwlad
          zwlad 13 October 2021 08: 26
          +5
          Most of the articles beyond the title can not be read, but go directly to the comments.
          Much more useful information can be found.
    3. ja-ja-vw
      ja-ja-vw 12 October 2021 16: 33
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)

      us and ours, yes.
      The author MODELY kept silent: these are "CHEMICAL SANCTIONS"
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The news is absolutely not encouraging. I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!

      for 9 months they shipped either 114 roofing felts for $ 118 million / about the same as for the whole last year /
      Very sad
      Quote: Yrec
      Perhaps they will use countries - "gaskets" with a change of registration.

      the option, as with shrimp from Belarus, will not work.
      There, an import license must be issued: they will come and check sea ​​with shrimps production.
      1. poquello
        poquello 12 October 2021 19: 05
        0
        Quote: ja-ja-vw
        the option, as with shrimp from Belarus, will not work.
        There, an import license must be issued: they will come and check

        and in Mexico the service will not save American fans to shoot with our cartridges?
        1. Baron pardus
          Baron pardus 13 October 2021 04: 27
          +4
          Not only the cartridges themselves are prohibited, but also ANY COMPONENTS made in Russia. That is, if Belarus or Kazakhstan there can make cartridges and SHOW that everything is their own, from shells to primers, and to bullets with gunpowder, then ONLY then such ammunition can be imported to the United States. Russian ammunition generally occupied 40% of the American market. It is because of the cheapness and reliability that "Тhey may be dirty, but they go" boom "every time". The Poles have already started to supply their 7.62x39, the MESKO company, the Serbs have connected with the BELOM company. But 7.62x54 and 5.45x39 so far there is no replacement. According to my conversation with the ammunition importer (Sporting Supplies International), they have a permit for the next 1.5 years. So, for another 1.5 years, ammunition will be imported from Russia, while they will be looking for replacements. They imported earlier 5.45x39 from Ukraine too (with a bullet weight of not 60 grains, but 69 grains), but that plant is corny dead. By the way, at the same time, space technologies from Russia fell under the sanctions.
          1. poquello
            poquello 13 October 2021 19: 16
            0
            Quote: poquello
            and in Mexico the service will not save American fans to shoot with our cartridges?

            Quote: Baron Pardus
            Not only the cartridges themselves are prohibited, but also ANY COMPONENTS made in Russia.

            banned for sale or personal importation?
            1. Baron pardus
              Baron pardus 13 October 2021 19: 50
              +8
              As far as I understand, they are prohibited from import. Generally. That is, ANY company that wants to export ammunition to the United States must PROVE that ALL components: Liners, primers, Gunpowder, Bullets are NOT Russian-made. No ammunition components and ammunition made with them CANNOT be imported into the USA.
              I don't understand why your government is not responding to US sanctions. From the word at all. There are many options - from the termination of the copyright protection of American companies and citizens in Russia and the CIS, up to 300% duties on everything made, or at least partially made in the USA. And including the copying of American goods and the sale of unlicensed copies, or with minimal changes. 40% of the US ammunition market is HUGE money. By striking back at American companies such as Microsoft, or American cinema, not only ceased to protect copyright holders, but promote the distribution of pirated copies, or simply rewrite programs to sell them as their own. Instead of Widnows 10 ... Veranda 1 ... The most interesting thing is doing the same .. in the USA itself. They take the original, change it minimally (but change it) and resell it as "their own".

              This old scum, Joe Biden, not only stole the elections, but under him the degeneration of the country and society reached an unprecedented speed. From 14 year old boys in skirts of raping girls in schools, with a system that protects not victims, but rapists, since they are not only an "oppressed but distinctive national minority", but also a "oppressed but proud sex minority." Before the failure in Afghanistan, and before the open attack on Constitution and rights. To the point that people are turned into parasites by paying them so much money to stay at home, that factories and factories cannot find workers with a salary of 15 bucks an hour and a 3000 dollar bonus after 3 months. And to racism and sexism screaming "Every man is a potential rapist" and "Every white man is by definition an oppressor and colonizer." therefore both white men and men, and especially white men, must "REPENT". Therefore, anything that goes to the detriment of the Biden administration and the liberals will benefit the United States.

              Are you wondering why the United States and NATO and Japan become impudent? And because, for now, whatever they do to them, EVERYTHING gets away with it.
              Imagine that some country just imposed sanctions against the United States, do you think that the United States would not have responded to this?
              Are you wondering why Ukraine is getting impudent? And because they get away with it. Do you want Ukraine, for example, to become like silk? a) Prohibit the transfer of money to Ukraine, b) Deport ALL Ukrainian gasterbayters. c) Shut off ALL gas and oil with them. Let them heat with firewood, as in besieged Leningrad - through each window - a pipe of a stove. Or let them buy from Hungarians and Romanians, who will rip off everything from them, including cowards.

              Forgive me for digressing from the topic but just painful. Every day you think - everything, khan, will not be worse. And here the Biden administration and the liberals say, "Will it not be worse? But we will show and prove that we can do worse."
              1. poquello
                poquello 13 October 2021 20: 50
                0
                Quote: Baron Pardus
                As far as I understand, they are prohibited from import. Generally.

                I'm not talking about import, we do duty free cartridges in Mexico and voila - all cartridges will be on the US market,))))))))))) on black
                1. Baron pardus
                  Baron pardus 13 October 2021 21: 48
                  +2
                  If you build a plant in Mexico, and you make cartridges WITHOUT Russian components - yes, you can import. Provided that the plant will not be owned by those people and companies that are ALREADY under sanctions. So that there was some kind of zits presenter Pound. With the black market, ammunition will not fail. NOBODY will buy Russian ammunition (on the black market, you will be surprised, the prices are not cheaper but more expensive), at exorbitant prices with the risk of going to jail. What for? It is easier to buy absolutely legal Polish or Serbian or Bulgarian there.
                  In addition, by building a plant in Mexico, you will get problems with both the mafia (which will require free ammunition) and with the mentors (which will require money for covering up)
                  It is best to build factories, including gunpowder and bullet-making, in some FRIENDLY country of Russia, for example, Belarus or Bulgaria or Serbia.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 13 October 2021 21: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Baron Pardus
                    If you build a factory in Mexico

                    not a small factory, a shop on the border)
                    1. Baron pardus
                      Baron pardus 13 October 2021 23: 10
                      +2
                      Read the Mexican laws on the acquisition of weapons and ammunition by foreigners. Do you really think that no one here understands anything about commerce except you? Here half of Odessa lives in Brooklyn and other places :-)
              2. sakuz
                sakuz 15 October 2021 07: 07
                +21
                Yes, not everything is so rosy with you there, in the Oklahoma region ...
                1. Baron pardus
                  Baron pardus 15 October 2021 07: 20
                  +4
                  Wisconsin :-). We still have nothing, but in New York, California, Illinois, Oregon, in short, EVERYWHERE where liberals have seized power, especially where blacks and Meks have become more than 30% of the population - KHANA. Turn off the light and drain the oil.
              3. blackberry
                blackberry 15 October 2021 14: 56
                +21
                Quote: Baron Pardus
                I don't understand why your government is not responding to US sanctions.

                But because Putin's friends and those affiliated with them are not looking for a hillock to lose what they have been exporting for 20 years - they will instantly block everything. In general, Putin recently allowed exporters to keep all foreign exchange earnings in foreign accounts. Here is such a pro-Russian president. So our development is not due to, but in spite of some ...
    4. Letun
      Letun 12 October 2021 16: 35
      +18
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      It looks like a shot in the foot (or rather in the foot of their ammunition manufacturers)
      The news is absolutely not encouraging. I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!

      What shot yourself in the foot? What are you talking about? Did you read the article or just the title? The USA is closing a huge market for us and the niche will certainly fill, but not by our manufacturer.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 12 October 2021 16: 42
        .
        It’s you, apparently, running over one heading.
        Did you try to look at the root? Why is the Russian Federation forced to reduce exports? Because of the sanctions. And what about the sanctions?
        USEFUL! At least they said so before!
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 12 October 2021 16: 46
          +5
          At least they said so before!


          That's right - before.

          Hi. Igor! smile
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 12 October 2021 18: 56
            -3
            Good evening. Here Peskov already explains why goods (like, even his own, domestic) are becoming more expensive!
            But no one wants to follow a logical chain, that if somewhere in Washington a small financial flow was limited, then already in Yaroslavl OUR banker will make up for his loss by inflating interest on a loan to OUR farmer.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 12 October 2021 18: 59
              +11
              The sands of what he wants to explain can, even inexplicable, for that at court they are kept. laughing
            2. poquello
              poquello 12 October 2021 19: 13
              -1
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              no one wants to carry out a logical chain,

              like, "would you surrender to the Germans - drink Bavarian"?
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                The leader of the Redskins 12 October 2021 20: 33
                -6
                There was no need to confuse the type of the coast, but to live according to the concepts. Like the rest.
                1. SOF
                  SOF 13 October 2021 08: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  There was no need to confuse the type of the coast, but to live according to the concepts. Like the rest

                  .... it's like ... give the Crimea ..... to score in Donbass ...... and give gas "on reverse" just like that? ..... whose concepts? - I can't catch up who confuses the coast ...
        2. 210ox
          210ox 12 October 2021 17: 06
          +3
          So who's got it in the leg? We are not ourselves who banned exports to the USA
        3. AUL
          AUL 12 October 2021 17: 16
          +4
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Did you try to look at the root? Why is the Russian Federation forced to reduce exports? Because of the sanctions. And what about the sanctions?
          USEFUL!

          We now have only one way out - to create our own, internal BP market, no less than amerov's! wink
          1. Canis aureus
            Canis aureus 12 October 2021 22: 05
            +2
            Quote: AUL
            We now have only one way out - to create our own, internal BP market, no less than amerov's!

            So that everyone can replenish ammunition on the way to school / university / to work laughing
            1. Baron pardus
              Baron pardus 13 October 2021 10: 03
              0
              "To hear the rumor that lying and being rude suddenly became unsafe .... and let him (the official), at least for a while, take away this lies and rudeness, which seems to him to be an ability to talk with people, let it no longer be produced by his chair iron , let him not teach us, because he has no results, and it is already impossible to expect that he himself will understand ... "- Mikhail Zhvanetsky
        4. Letun
          Letun 12 October 2021 20: 10
          +3
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          It’s you, apparently, running over one heading.
          Have you tried to look at the root?

          So who shot himself in the leg? Only without demagoguery, please.
      2. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 12 October 2021 23: 07
        -1
        Quote: Letun
        The USA is closing a huge market for us and the niche will certainly fill, but not by our manufacturer.

        Well, every second person on this forum calls for the destruction of the United States. So proudly say no to trade with the damned enemy drinks
    5. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 12 October 2021 20: 23
      -1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      I am sure that the niche will be occupied very quickly!

      Quote: SovAr238A
      She will be instantly busy.

      She's already taken.
      Dozens of manufacturers around the world are expressing their readiness to eliminate the shortage of "Soviet" cartridges in a matter of days.
      They are more expensive, but in the absence of the main competitor, the buyer has no choice.
  2. Yrec
    Yrec 12 October 2021 16: 30
    -4
    Perhaps, they will use countries - "gaskets" with a change of registration. The loss of such a market will kill some of our cartridge factories and raise the price within our market for both the military / authorities and the civilian market.
  3. Alekseev
    Alekseev 12 October 2021 16: 37
    +5
    Sell ​​through third countries if it is profitable for our producers. and if it's not time to use raw materials and materials for the production of other products for the domestic market, first of all.
    It's time to get rid of the illusion that we will be allowed to sell technological products freely to the West. We and the Superjet are not allowed to sell to Iran, they say, 10% of American components.
    Here gas and other raw materials will cry, like mice gnawing a cactus, but take it. There will be purely our machines, aircraft, cars, etc. on the Russian market. it will be possible to compete with China and the West in the markets of Asia, Africa, Latin America.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 12 October 2021 16: 44
      +1
      And so it was, when the US imposed sanctions, our cartridge and traded with them.
    2. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 12 October 2021 23: 10
      -1
      Quote: Alekseev
      There will be purely our machines, planes, cars on the Russian market

      Quote: Alekseev
      etc. it will be possible to compete with China and the West in the markets of Asia, Africa, Latin America.

      There is even nothing to answer laughing
  4. for
    for 12 October 2021 16: 37
    0
    Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.

    Business, not personal.
    The ammunition has no nationality.
    They are in export performance, the manufacturer and the seller will not kill.
    Etc. etc..
    .
  5. Nexcom
    Nexcom 12 October 2021 16: 40
    +7
    Bulgarian “Arsenal” and the Finns are good at this if what happens in the article. Bulgarians generally produce the entire line of Soviet ammunition to this day, even 7.62x25 is still in production. Finns rivet 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 R. Czechs also produce. Serbs. Poles. The holy place will not be empty. Americans understand this, and that's why they fix the next dirty tricks.
    1. Baron pardus
      Baron pardus 13 October 2021 10: 13
      +1
      As far as I know Bulgarians have stopped producing 5.45x45, and I have several barrels in this caliber. :-(
      1. Nexcom
        Nexcom 13 October 2021 10: 16
        0
        the first time I hear about such a caliber - 5.45x45. Probably you wanted to say 5.45x39? And nobody likes 5.45x39, they buy it very badly.
        Or did they mean 5.56x45?
        1. Baron pardus
          Baron pardus 13 October 2021 10: 39
          +2
          Sorry, I meant 5.45x39. In the USA it was bought very well until it was banned by the Army with a cry "They are armor-piercing." After that, they still took Wolfe, and Golden Tiger, and Silver Bear (aka COLT). Gradually, the popularity began to decline. It got to the point that Arsenal stopped importing AK74 to the USA, and manufacturers stopped making 5.45x39 barrels for AP15. A couple of companies in the US make their AK74s and even occasionally TANTALES. For some time, Adamz Arms produced an "upper receiver" with a 5.45x39 barrel. I like 5.45, to be honest. In the USA it is produced only by one company - HORNANDI, the price is prohibitive. About $ 1 a cartridge, with a show-off because the bullet is a super expansive V-MAX
          1. Nexcom
            Nexcom 13 October 2021 10: 47
            +1
            The first time I hear that 7N22 (this is an armor-piercing 5.45x39) was exported to the USA .... 7N6M was sold. then it was replaced by 7N10, but I have never heard about its deliveries to the USA.
            the Americans banned the supply of armor-piercing cartridges. The Russian 9x21 is even banned.
            1. Baron pardus
              Baron pardus 13 October 2021 10: 53
              +1
              I said that they screamed with a show-off (!!!) "Armor-piercing" your cartridge was supplied, an army one with a bullet weight of 52 grains. EMNIP it was 7m6. It had a steel core. Liberals howled that "armor-piercing" and banned it. Why? Under US law, armor piercing cartridges are prohibited if they can be used in pistols. And we imported and produced "pistol" versions of the AK74. Romanian and Yugovsky (Outpost). This ammunition was sold in larger oval metal boxes with 1080 rounds per box.
              I found articles, but it was 7n6. Your army. When yours switched to 7n6M, then 7n6 was sold in the USA.
              https://www.shootingsportsretailer.com/stories/atf-bans-steel-core-5-45x39mm-imports-1
              https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/08/official-atf-bans-russian-7n6-5-45x39-imports/
              Liberals, led by this subsimian Obama, howled that "armor-piercing cartridges" could be used in pistols that are on sale. And they banned imports. According to American law, the cartridge with a steel core is armor-piercing.
              1. Nexcom
                Nexcom 13 October 2021 11: 07
                0
                Relax, I'm not trying to catch you at all. I was just a little surprised because of my not quite correct understanding of your message.

                According to American law, the cartridge with a steel core is armor-piercing.

                And what, it doesn't even matter what kind of powder and energy is there?
                Well, in general, be stunned, if so.
  6. Cowbra
    Cowbra 12 October 2021 16: 41
    +16
    We look at what is American on the market - and the sanctions duty is 300%. Plus, as I said for a long time - to stop fighting pirate software. Consider it trophy
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 12 October 2021 17: 08
      +5
      Good. Why only with software. At the expense of our intellectuals there is also very confused. To forget about American patent rights. The Chinese lay down on this from the bell tower and nothing. You yourself know that this is only
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 12 October 2021 18: 44
        +6
        Quote: zadorin1974
        Hammer on US patent rights.

        You can score it))) in words, but in fact the scoring has not grown.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 12 October 2021 20: 29
          0
          I know, but I still hope.
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 13 October 2021 08: 34
          0
          install pirate Windows, although most of them have pirated
  7. Kibl
    Kibl 12 October 2021 16: 43
    0
    So they switched to a machete for a long time!
  8. Klingon
    Klingon 12 October 2021 16: 50
    -2
    Yes, bullshit, the Yankees will not be able to live without extras for their pukalok, they will be supplied with Russian ammunition to the Seychelles, but to the Seychelles by Russian factories wassat
  9. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 12 October 2021 16: 53
    -9
    Due to US sanctions Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States. Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.

    Stop frightening us with sanctions (especially Russia). Europe already obos fed up with sanctions and restrictions on the "SP-2"? Weapon manufacturers have always been famous for the fact that such quality weapons and ammunition cannot be bought from anyone ...
    You are welcome! The field is immeasurable, there is no end of work ...
    1. for
      for 12 October 2021 17: 03
      -1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Weapon manufacturers have always been famous for the fact that such quality weapons and ammunition cannot be bought from anyone ...

      They would be famous for the quality of civilian products, but what has China to do with it.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 12 October 2021 17: 11
      +7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Due to US sanctions Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States. Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.

      Stop frightening us with sanctions (especially Russia). Europe already obos fed up with sanctions and restrictions on the "SP-2"? Weapon manufacturers have always been famous for the fact that such quality weapons and ammunition cannot be bought from anyone ...
      You are welcome! The field is immeasurable, there is no end of work ...


      Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
      Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.
      The spot market has no more than 1% share in the gas component.
      But the real contracts of Gazprom have prices fixed for 5-10-15 years at 200-250-300 dollars ...
      1. poquello
        poquello 12 October 2021 19: 20
        0
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
        Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.

        and Ukraine is Europe?
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 12 October 2021 19: 24
          -1
          Quote: poquello
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
          Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.

          and Ukraine is Europe?

          do not care about hohland.
          They themselves said out loud that their "virtual reverse" followed the Hungarian system.
          It is now impossible.
          Virtual.
          They said it themselves.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 October 2021 03: 37
        -1
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
        Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.

        Don't confuse "soft" and "warm". Answer for your words with facts, and not with the fact that gas prices on the spot market do not affect anything ... Maybe explain to us, “not stock brokers,” why would European storages be half filled with gas? Maybe long term contracts
        Quote: SovAr238A
        for 5-10-15 years the prices are 200-250-300 dollars ...

        not allowed to take into account the realities of life, the technical state of the usual for "consumption and reverse" of the GTS? Probably, after all, there are losses if the stock exchange is in such a fever, what is the right to think that Europe has been put in a pose before a new ice age?
        About “I lost nothing” and 2000 dollars for 1000 m³ you tell those grandmothers who go to the garbage dumps and “praise the rooster”. And its own "spot market" in:
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Stop frightening us with sanctions (especially Russia). Europe already obos fed up with sanctions and restrictions on the "SP-2"?

        do not attach. The comparison is made only to show that the proverb:
        Don't spit in the well - you wouldn't have to get drunk

        applies to any field of activity. In particular, there is no need to puzzle over what potential buyers will do there - you just need to make high-quality weapons, showing in reality its advantages, and not the supposed characteristics and ideas of designers and developers.
  10. CYM
    CYM 12 October 2021 17: 43
    +6
    Quote: AUL
    We now have only one way out - to create our own, internal BP market, no less than amerov's!

    For the BP market, no less than the amerovsky one, a "park of trunks" is needed for the population of about 300 million units, a network of shooting ranges (including free ones), and a well-developed shooting culture. And here Rosgvardia proposes (in a new bill) not only to refuse to issue, but also to cancel previously issued permits on the basis of the conclusion of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (FSB) officers. Among the goals of the proposed restrictions, in addition to countering extremism and terrorism, is indicated "to prevent citizens from gaining access to weapons who intend to use them for criminal purposes." With such an attitude of the authorities towards the owners of weapons, our manufacturers of power supplies and weapons can only hide in a corner and quietly die. winked
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 12 October 2021 18: 31
      -4
      Quote: CYM
      Quote: AUL
      We now have only one way out - to create our own, internal BP market, no less than amerov's!

      For the BP market, no less than the amerovsky one, a "park of trunks" is needed for the population of about 300 million units, a network of shooting ranges (including free ones), and a well-developed shooting culture. And here Rosgvardia proposes (in a new bill) not only to refuse to issue, but also to cancel previously issued permits on the basis of the conclusion of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (FSB) officers. Among the goals of the proposed restrictions, in addition to countering extremism and terrorism, is indicated "to prevent citizens from gaining access to weapons who intend to use them for criminal purposes." With such an attitude of the authorities towards the owners of weapons, our manufacturers of power supplies and weapons can only hide in a corner and quietly die. winked


      Stop stop stop ...
      Why die from the fact that obtaining weapons is becoming a problem?
      After all, any problem requires a solution.
      A problem that is especially difficult to solve - it cuts off those who are looking for easy ways.

      I must say right away - 25 years ago I was in charge of a gunsmith in a very large private security company.
      I saw a lot.
      And crossbows at the time of control reloading when handing over the weapon.
      And this is among the guys who served in the special units of the GUIN, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the GRU ...
      If anyone does not know, but in the late 90s, early 2000s, a huge number of the highest class of special forces worked in some regional private security companies ...

      So.
      It is necessary to drive anyone who wants to get a weapon to the shooting range for at least 12 months a year.
      and give a limit of at least 100 shots per month. And so that each shot would cost him no less than 150 rubles. That is 15 thousand per month and 180 thousand per year.
      Why is that? Just because:
      Psychopaths have a lot of charisma, but either little money or little time.
      A psychopath, with a desire for terrorist attacks, will be able to deceive a psychologist in the short term, but in the long term, all his desire to create a "big bad boom" will greatly fade away, especially considering the costs, both financial and time.
      All mothers are revolutionaries, they are able to keep themselves tense (for the complete passing of all checks) for no more than 3-4 months ...
      Accordingly, that fool who suddenly wants to take revenge on the school, class, etc. will be forced to arrange a "merry-go-round" for 12 months ... Which cannot be hidden if there are several psychologists. All his "psychotic nature" - will certainly shoot by itself. Psychosis from the fact that he is forced to wait a long time will come by itself.
      Therefore, he will go to look for explosives, radio-controlled fuses, etc., and there he will be taken by the regulatory authorities, which work very successfully.


      So I have two hands for the fact that the "entrance ticket" to the world of weapons should be very expensive!


      there are examples of this.
      In some countries, you are not allowed to buy a motorcycle if you cannot lift it from the ground.
      If you can't stand on it with full feet.
      If you are less than 25 years old, then you cannot buy a car with a capacity of over 200 HP
      It actually IS.
      And the population of these countries, Yu adopted these laws and complies with them.
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 15 October 2021 07: 19
        +1
        Great, let's make the right to self-defense available only to the rich, to the rest - in the stall. Muzzle did not come out to wield weapons. Weapons, only for rich gentlemen, slaves and stinkers - are not allowed. We are building an estate state at an accelerated pace. And then we wonder wildly why there is a revolution again, why again priests and oligarchs at the expense (because they deserve it, like last time) why again the 5th column. Russian national sport - rake jumping. And then you will wonder why Siberia will welcome the Chinese with open arms.
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  12. Makashov
    Makashov 12 October 2021 18: 07
    0
    Let them hand over the Kalash?
  13. Gato
    Gato 12 October 2021 18: 13
    +3
    Colleagues, what are you talking about? With the total volume of Russian exports about $ 0,33 trillion, some 100 million is the level of the natural background, which will only lead to a reduction in the cost of b / c on the domestic market. In theory ... Or do you feel sorry for the members of the American Rifle Association?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 12 October 2021 20: 40
      0
      7 billion rubles is not a natural background for domestic ammunition manufacturers.
    2. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 12 October 2021 23: 13
      +1
      Quote: Gato
      which will only lead to a reduction in the cost of b / p in the domestic market

      laughing
  14. CYM
    CYM 12 October 2021 19: 05
    +10
    Quote: SovAr238A
    That is 15 thousand per month and 180 thousand per year.

    Do you know what is the average salary in the Russian Federation? We are definitely talking about the MARKET of civilian weapons, and not the forced "milking" of the poor population. You will decide either a mass arms business or armed patricians, the market capacity is fundamentally different.
    Quote: SovAr238A
    So I have two hands for the fact that the "entrance ticket" to the world of weapons should be very expensive!

    It depends. Of course, the owners of 15 "premium barrels" did not come cheap. But on the black market, purely by chance I heard, the prices are quite affordable.
  15. Alexfly
    Alexfly 12 October 2021 20: 05
    +2
    Now prices on the domestic market will rise to the clouds ...
    Or is it really ......?
    Not the rules of acquisition and ownership will not change ...
  16. KSVK
    KSVK 12 October 2021 20: 49
    +2
    Quote: Baron Pardus
    It is said so that it is clearly visible that people in weapons and ammunition do not understand nifiga. Ammunition Wolf, Barnaul, Silver Bear, Golden Tiger are famous for their reliability. They are not match, but no one represents them as match. For general practical shooting, they are more than adequate, especially at this price point.


    It was the case once the BPZ "Centaur" was dismantled, the one that was still walking with the Hornadi bullet. So out of 30 rounds I COULD NOT pull bullets out of half of the rounds. This is what they put in their shell? And in two cartridges there was a HALF weight of gunpowder. (well, at least not double, ours will wassat ). And about the torn-off bottoms of the liners at the refinery products, I generally keep quiet.

    Quote: Baron Pardus

    The Russian ammunition, to be honest, has only ONE drawback. The bullet is not copper plated, but copper washed. That is, the coating on the bullet is very thin, and the barrels wear out faster.


    Complete nonsense.
    Firstly, the coating is not "copper washed" on most of our bullets, but bimetal. Those. the bullet is covered not only with a tombak, but also with a thin steel foil. And copper, in our opinion, is not used at all for covering bullets. And an alloy called Tompak is used. It is an alloy of copper and zinc.
    Secondly, the barrel dies not from abrasion of the rifling, but from the height of the bullet entry.

    Quote: Baron Pardus

    Feature of Russian ammunition - "dirty" gunpowder. The accuracy and accuracy is not particularly affected, but the weapon needs to be cleaned more often.


    And this is also nonsense.
    Firstly, now our domestic gunpowders are not much inferior to imports in their properties. Well, except that the temperature dependence is a little undersized. The problem is a significant difference in properties from batch to batch, which is not observed (almost) in imports.
    Secondly, carbon deposits are easily removed from the barrel with ordinary patches (rags) and does not affect accuracy. But carbon deposits are not removed by anything other than an abrasive paste and have a great effect on shooting accuracy. And the formation of this carbon in the barrel depends on the pressure developed by the gunpowder, and not on the mythical "dirtyness" of the gunpowder. By the way, the Finnish Vihta of the 500th series is considered to be the "dirtiest" gunpowder.
    1. your1970
      your1970 13 October 2021 08: 16
      +1
      You forget that your opponent lives in the USA .. and the old custom says in Russia "For export is the best"
      lol
  17. KSVK
    KSVK 12 October 2021 21: 11
    +2
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    But no one wants to follow a logical chain, that if somewhere in Washington a small financial flow was limited, then already in Yaroslavl OUR banker will make up for his loss by inflating interest on a loan to OUR farmer.

    Absolutely correct remark. The cost of production increases with a decrease in the batch, if someone does not know. And the reduction, tens of times, in the volume of lots of "civilian" patrons will inevitably cause an increase in their cost. And with the further "tightening of the screws" by our legislators in terms of the law on weapons, our manufacturers will simply refuse completely from the production of civilian ammunition.
  18. KSVK
    KSVK 12 October 2021 21: 18
    +3
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Stop stop stop ...

    Well no. wink
    What you described will practically leave only a VERY narrow circle of real fans. Then you just need to FORBID. With some caveat about athletes and collectors. This will COMPLETELY kill the hunt and the civilian market of Russian manufacturers of weapons and ammunition. Because those who can afford to get a weapon according to your conditions will NEVER buy a domestic-made weapon, and even more so they will not shove domestic ammunition into it.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 13 October 2021 11: 41
      -1
      I am in favor of hunters (except for professional hunters in Siberia and the Far East) in Russia as few as possible. In most regions of Central Russia, they have nothing to do. So there are very few animals left. Either hunters, or farmers with herbicides and other rubbish. Recently they showed on TV scoundrels who killed a pregnant moose. What, you can't do without wild boar, hare, elk? It is necessary, of course, to shoot the surplus of wolves, wild boars and some other animals. But for this, crowds of hunters are not needed.
  19. tabletkin73
    tabletkin73 12 October 2021 21: 22
    0
    So the packaging will say "made in Belarus")
  20. km-21
    km-21 12 October 2021 21: 23
    +3
    If I understand correctly, it is not Russia that stops supplying ammunition, but the United States stops accepting them. It seems that the result is the same, but the essence is fundamentally different.
  21. nod739
    nod739 12 October 2021 21: 40
    -1
    Nuuu, not everything is so sad
    there is also Belarus, the homeland of shrimp
  22. Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 October 2021 04: 25
    0
    they want to replace theirs most likely ... well, so!
  23. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 13 October 2021 04: 55
    +1
    For our factories, it will be a colossal loss of losing a market of $ 100-120 million, which there is absolutely nothing to replace.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 13 October 2021 08: 38
      -1
      100 million penny
  24. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 13 October 2021 07: 43
    +1
    Well, they themselves will close the resulting niche.
    "Fair" competition.
  25. Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 13 October 2021 08: 00
    0
    Perhaps they want to catch 2 "birds with one stone": to punish V.V. and force their consumers to abandon Russian pistols?
  26. russ71
    russ71 13 October 2021 09: 06
    +1
    Glad, very glad!
    Maybe finally the prices for domestic cartridges on the domestic market will fall !!!
  27. hhurik
    hhurik 13 October 2021 09: 11
    -3
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Europe has not lost anything from gas prices of $ 2000 ...
    Don't confuse the spot market with Gazprom's long-term contracts.

    and Ukraine is Europe?

    President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, commenting on yesterday's protests near Poltava due to the arrival of evacuees from Wuhan, compared Ukraine with medieval Europe. (C)
  28. lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 October 2021 10: 00
    0
    from the Russian Federation in the amount of more than $ 100 million.


    This is a trifle. Or does someone want to hand over the homeland to the Americans for the sake of supplying them with cartridges?
  29. Basarev
    Basarev 13 October 2021 11: 53
    +1
    This is not such a problem for the Americans, their manufacturers will easily organize the production of the necessary calibers. And Russia is losing another source of export earnings. Everything is hard: continuing radiophobia restricts earning opportunities at nuclear power plants, the green trend is clearly directed against our oil and gas, the Bayraks' successes undermine confidence in Russian weapons ... Russia may soon lose exports as a way of earning money. And there the maritime Silk Road will enter into force, directed exactly bypassing Russia. There will be a new Cuba or the DPRK, a country under an unspoken absolute embargo, from which the whole world has fenced off, that's just the whole thing.
  30. Codett
    Codett 13 October 2021 16: 02
    0
    It is a pity, of course, I hope that the manufacturers will improve the quality, it is not very high, and then I hope to be able to find new markets and at least cover the losses a little
  31. KSVK
    KSVK 13 October 2021 18: 05
    0
    Quote: Sergej1972
    I am for

    And I am for the fact that 70% of the guardsmen were laid off, because they do not understand what they are doing, they only consume frantic funds for their maintenance. Just what of this?
  32. Diverter
    Diverter 13 October 2021 18: 45
    0
    I do not think correctly that there will be more cartridges in the Russian Federation and they may become cheaper?))))
  33. zenion
    zenion 13 October 2021 20: 57
    0
    Do not stop under any circumstances. If it wants to be real capitalism, then sell ropes too.
  34. vtiper
    vtiper 14 October 2021 15: 52
    +1
    Russia is losing the sales market, not the supplier's Americans
  35. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 14 October 2021 16: 11
    0
    Warn us that we will impose a ban on the sale of iPhones.
  36. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 14 October 2021 18: 19
    +1
    Quote: ROSS 42
    Due to US sanctions Russia stops supplying ammunition to the United States. Thus, it will lose the largest market for cartridges and bullets.

    Stop frightening us with sanctions (especially Russia). Europe already obos fed up with sanctions and restrictions on the "SP-2"? Weapon manufacturers have always been famous for the fact that such quality weapons and ammunition cannot be bought from anyone ...
    You are welcome! The field is immeasurable, there is no end of work ...

    The manufacturing quality of our hand-held small arms has definitely declined in the post-Soviet period!