The Ministry of Defense unites the S-500 air defense system and the Pantsir-SM air defense missile system into a single circuit

October 12 2021

The newest S-500 Prometey anti-aircraft missile systems and the Pantsir-SM modernized anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems (ZRPK) will be combined into a common network. The Russian Ministry of Defense is working on the issue of organizing the staff structure of anti-aircraft units, which will be armed with the latest complexes.

According to the plans of the military, the combination of the long-range S-500 air defense system and the Pantsir-SM air defense missile system will create a layered air defense system in which the Prometheus will be responsible for hitting targets at a long distance, while the Pantsirs will cover the S-500 from cruise missile strikes and drones.

As they say "News" With reference to sources in the Ministry of Defense, the organizational and staff structure of future air defense units, which will receive the S-500 air defense system, is currently being developed. As part of this planning, the issue of including such units and the Pantsir-SM air defense missile system is being considered. At the same time, it is emphasized that the decision to unite the "Shell" and "Prometheus" into a single circuit has already been made.

At the same time, the military has experience in deploying the S-400 air defense system together with the air defense missile system. Each regiment armed with S-400 air defense systems is assigned a "Pantsirei" division.

It is noted that the construction of such an echeloned air defense is not a novelty, such a scheme was used even in the Soviet air defense, when the S-200 long-range anti-aircraft systems were covered by the S-125 air defense system.

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NDR-791 12 October 2021 08: 33
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Well, the right decision. Not inventing the best (which is the enemy of the good). I would also add something from small drones as a third frontier in order to minimize costs.
1. Tiksi-3 12 October 2021 08: 35
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  the solution is standard, but I would have a torm2 military complex instead of a shell-cm, in Syria it showed itself better.
  1. Sailor 12 October 2021 08: 46
    
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    You removed the only thing from the tongue, the Armor of the ZRPK, and the TOR of the SAM, but by interception it undoubtedly showed itself better in Syria, maybe the "jambs" were fixed on the updated Armor.
  2. Nikolaevich I 12 October 2021 09: 08
    
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    Quote: Tiksi-3
    complex torm2 instead of carapace-cm
    
    Here the range (altitude) of Pantsir-SM is also important ... By the way, when they "fired" a missile with a range of 40 km for "Pantsir-SM", they soon "let slip" in one article that the design bureau was "thinking" about developing zur range of 60 km ...! Probably nonsense!
    1. Tiksi-3 12 October 2021 09: 19
      
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      The range (altitude) of the Pantsir-SM is also important here.
      
      in air defense there is a concept of range and height, the range can be 60 km, and the height of the target is 10 km ...
      1. Nikolaevich I 12 October 2021 10: 10
        
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        Quote: Tiksi-3
        the range can be 60 km, and the height of the target is 10 km ...
        
        Perhaps here I put on the meaning in an unfortunate shape ... "Pantsir-SM" has a zur with a range of up to 40 km and an altitude reach of up to 18 km ... altitude up to 9 km ... Although, I'm sure that for the "TOP" you can make a zur and with the best performance characteristics (!) ... there are "ways" for this!
  3. U-58 12 October 2021 09: 22
    
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    I support. The proposed link clearly lacks the "middle link". Can Carapace provide reliable protection?
    Another thing is that all good wishes cannot be realized due to the lack of funds and human reserves.
  4. Sandor Clegane 12 October 2021 11: 18
    
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    I agree that Tor M2 will be more effective
  5. venik 12 October 2021 13: 29
    
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    Quote: Tiksi-3
    the solution is standard, but I would have a torm2 military complex instead of a shell-cm, in Syria it showed itself better.
    
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    Yes, indeed for inconspicuous and low-speed targets, "Tor-M2" showed itself much better than "Pantsir" (modifications "C[/ b] "," [b] C1"And"С2") .... But the speech is not about him, but about the Pantsir-SM system !!!! And this is a completely different system, moreover - adapted just against "drones", while retaining the possibility of effective interception high-speed small targets, such as MLRS shells! At the same time - "Pantsir-SM" is already a completely DIFFERENT system! Much better adapted to intercept small and slow-moving goals (see comment below)!
  6. El Chuvachino 12 October 2021 15: 51
    
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    I agree with you
2. knn54 12 October 2021 09: 16
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  Concern VKO "Almaz-Antey" offers foreign customers a layered air defense system,
  “We have specially created a complex classical layered defense and preparation of calculations. In particular, the exposition presents the Antey-4000 - a long-range anti-aircraft missile system. Then - the Vityaz anti-aircraft missile system - medium-range and short-range - Tor-M2. , ... and the "Sosna" system - an automated short-range complex with an optical guidance channel "
  From the August interview of Vyacheslav Dzirkaln, Deputy Director General for Foreign Economic Affairs, to representatives of foreign media.
  PS Regarding the preparation of calculations. A UNIQUE target-training complex "Adjutant" has also been proposed /
svp67 12 October 2021 08: 33
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The newest S-500 Prometey anti-aircraft missile systems and the Pantsir-SM modernized anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems (ZRPK) will be combined into a common network.
Something I began to not understand the "military" news. Previously, there was no unified air defense system? But no, it was created back in the USSR, multi-echeloned. Another thing is that by creating an air defense unit, where the main long-range complexes will also be covered with standard short-range weapons, they are now trying to somehow solve the issue of protecting the first from attacks using UAVs, but then it might not be superfluous to include TORs ...
1. carstorm 11 12 October 2021 08: 36
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  Mixing military air defense with object air defense is just too much.
  1. 210ox 12 October 2021 09: 02
    
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    There is a development of a stationary version of the "Torah"
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      Well, then I can still imagine)
2. vvvjak 12 October 2021 09: 34
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  Something I began to not understand the "military" news. Previously, there was no unified air defense system?
  
  Previously, a unified air defense system was present. The S-500 was previously absent. The news of the article is that the S-500 is included in a single air defense system (as I understand it).
3. lucul 12 October 2021 11: 28
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  Something I began to not understand the "military" news. Previously, there was no unified air defense system? But no, it was created back in the USSR, multi-echeloned
  
  Most likely, they mean setentricity - they were tied within the digital circuit into a single network.
4. Denis812 12 October 2021 13: 20
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  Earlier it turns out she was.
  Nobody says that she was not.
  The news clearly states that now the C500 and the Pantsiri will be present in it.
  Obviously, before the network in which there would have been AND THESE complexes, it also simply did not exist.
rocket757 12 October 2021 08: 35
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The Ministry of Defense unites the S-500 air defense system and the Pantsir-SM air defense missile system into a single circuit
So this is just another element in the overall, unified air defense - missile defense system, which includes other necessary systems and complexes.
So it is done.
Nikolaevich I 12 October 2021 08: 39
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The Ministry of Defense unites the S-500 air defense system and the Pantsir-SM air defense missile system into a single circuit Actually, it was expected! The "people" were sure of this from the very beginning! But "I would "and SAM" Buk-M3 "(" Viking ") would" attract "... you can think about the S-350 ... You know, such a glorious "triplex" would have turned out ... "Great Network Center" can do anything!
1. huntsman650 12 October 2021 08: 47
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  And to make the beeches as far forward as possible.
tralflot1832 12 October 2021 09: 18
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We have a lot of fun with the layered air defense system, our country is large. The dream of a better solution to the problem, these are our paratroopers at enemy airfields and missile bases in Europe, is still a dream.
1. Normann 12 October 2021 21: 38
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  What for? There is a doctrine of non-aggression, and let these "partners" be afraid and bite each other's elbows.
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The problem is that any such layered air defense defense always has a "weak link".
In this case, it is Armor.
They know how to shoot down targets flying around them, over them.
But they do not know how to shoot down targets with built-in electronic warfare that attack the Shells themselves.
Due to the fact that they only have passive missile control from ground-based radars and do not have their own active seeker on the rocket.
Therefore, any enemy first attacks the Shells themselves, and only then takes on the S-400 or S-500.
1. Fungus 12 October 2021 09: 31
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  Do not worry. The armor in Russia is several orders of magnitude higher than the old versions of our partners. New Armor is made taking into account all the identified problems in military conflicts.
2. Tiksi-3 12 October 2021 09: 32
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  Quote: voyaka uh
  They know how to shoot down targets flying around them, over them.
  But they do not know how to shoot down targets with built-in electronic warfare
  
  on the first versions - yes, it was so, but those that are now on, there is no longer this problem
3. Gust 12 October 2021 09: 46
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  It is logical, but wrong. This is the same as the electronic warfare system of an aircraft against a destroyer radar (sect "Khibiny";)). Energy and computing power are incomparable. Even if we assume that a specialized missile will interfere with one "Pantsir", it is not alone there, as in Syria. There will be other battery cars, there will be a control center from the S-500 in the end.
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    Electronic warfare on a gliding bomb, cruise missile or kamikaze drone does not try to crush Carapace radar.
    (Nothing to do with the Khibiny jammer.)
    It creates a false image of a bomb / rocket away from the physical object.
    And the ground-based radar guides the Shell missile towards this false image.
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      Not new ... the opposite situation may also be when an aircraft missile is guided by a decoy to a false object.
      1. voyaka uh 12 October 2021 10: 01
        
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        The novelty is in the special compactness of such an electronic warfare system.
        Indeed, in one seeker of a small device there is a video camera, an active radar, and a GPS receiver. And electronic warfare too.
        (not always complete, of course).
        
        It is micro-electronics and communications that drive today, not "big hardware".
        
        Fungus 12 October 2021 10: 57
        
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        Do not worry. All GOS with video cameras and GPS will be jammed or their brains burned. By the way, we recently conducted exercises to destroy smart munitions. Do not think that everyone is in one place, and you are developing.
    2. lucul 12 October 2021 11: 33
      
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      It creates a false image of a bomb / rocket away from the physical object.
      
      And in the optical spectrum too? ))))
      1. voyaka uh 12 October 2021 11: 43
        
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        No. If there was a GOS with a video camera on the Pantsir rocket, then he would be able to hit the attacking missiles, despite the electronic warfare that tricked his radar.
        
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        No. If there was a GOS with a video camera on the Pantsir rocket, then he would be able to hit the attacking missiles, despite the electronic warfare that tricked his radar.
        
        In your imagination, the rocket is aimed at the target solely thanks to its seeker)))
        The fact that it can be directed by the Pantsir itself (which also works in the combined optical and infrared ranges - hello electronic warfare) does not come to your mind? )))
    3. Gust 12 October 2021 12: 19
      
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      This is not about suppression. By the way, the Khibiny work the same way - they create a false image of the target for the missile / radar seeker away from the real position. But there we are only talking about difficulty / complication / withdrawal, etc. If the missile seeker is easy to deceive, then several spaced-apart destroyer radar canvases are very difficult.
      If everything was as you say, then there would be no point in stealth. We hang an analogue of Khibiny and get an aircraft invulnerable to ARLGSN / PRLGSN / Radio command missiles. But something does not come out yet;))
    4. venik 12 October 2021 15: 17
      
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Electronic warfare on a gliding bomb, cruise missile or kamikaze drone does not try to suppress the Pantsir's radar.
      (Nothing to do with the Khibiny jammer.)
      
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      Congratulations! It is precisely the "Khibiny" who know how to create "false images" !!!
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      It creates a false image of a bomb / rocket away from the physical object.
      And the ground-based radar guides the Shell missile towards this false image.
      
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      Alexey! That is, by your naivety, you believe that active The radar seeker will lead the missile not to the "false image", but namely "where it is necessary" ??!
      As they say in Odessa: "I am with you laughing! "......
      PS Active radar seeker - has other advantages, the most tangible for firing at LONG range! And at distances of 10-15 km, there is simply no sense in them! The only thing is that such systems make it possible to implement the "fire and forget" principle, and thus. reduce the working time of the system, allowing in a short period of time to fire on a LARGE number of targets ... expensive and about the same weaker [b] [/ b] ground station!
      Somewhere like that!
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  Therefore, any enemy first attacks the Shells themselves, and only then takes on the S-400 or S-500.
  
  What is it like ? ))))
  The S-400 / S500 have a range of 400+ km, that is, they will shoot down enemy aircraft / UAVs at such a range. How do you plan to confidently hit Pantsir-S from a range of 400 km? )))
  1. voyaka uh 12 October 2021 11: 47
    
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    From 400 km, the S-400 will notice a large AWACS aircraft if it flies at high altitude.
    A fighter flying low, due to the curvature of the Earth, will be noticed by the radar a little late. And stealth - from 30 kilometers ...
    1. Zaurbek 12 October 2021 12: 38
      
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      But air defense systems can also shoot down such support aircraft such as AWACS, AWACS and PP ... and without them the operation will be more difficult.
      1. voyaka uh 12 October 2021 12: 57
        
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        It all depends on whether the echeloned missile defense has been reconnoitered in advance or not.
        1) If it is reconnoitered in advance, then it will be able to delay the attack on important objects for several hours. Passages will be made in it, destroying those complexes that interfere, and shockmen and bombers will rush along these corridors to the rear.
        2) If it is not reconnoitered, then the first strikers will attack it and incur losses.
        It can cancel plaque altogether or
        there will be additional exploration, and then - see paragraph 1.
        
        The most reliable thing is to send fighters ahead so that they, having engaged in battles, thwarted the enemy's raid.
        In simple terms, one Su-57 is more important in air defense than an S-400 regiment along with Armor.
    2. lucul 12 October 2021 12: 59
      
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      From 400 km, the S-400 will notice a large AWACS aircraft if it flies at high altitude.
      A fighter flying low, due to the curvature of the Earth, will be noticed by the radar a little late. And stealth - from 30 kilometers ...
      
      Pffff .....
      Russia has radar stations that work with a reflected signal from the atmosphere, and which wanted to spit on all stealth aircraft. Its accuracy is not very high, but this is not the main thing - the main thing is that it will give out a target search square, into which a patrolling fighter will move, and then it is a matter of technology.
      Let me remind you - what the F-22 looks like in the sight of the Su-35:
      
      )))
      1. Shahno 12 October 2021 13: 05
        
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        Yes Yes. But if it is 40-100 km, the missiles will already be fired at targets. And how long does this procedure take from an approximate discovery to a real contact? So there is a problem, there is a problem. 5-15 minutes, 20? Do you think the speakers will be in the same area?
        
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        Yes Yes. But if it is 40-100 km, the missiles will already be fired at targets. And how long does this procedure take from approximately detection to actual contact? So there is a problem, there is a problem.
        
        This radar will detect an aircraft flying around the terrain - another 600 km or more from the borders of Russia, and if the plane flies around the terrain, then it will have a subsonic speed anyway. Therefore, there is plenty of time to intercept.
        
        Shahno 12 October 2021 13: 22
        
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        It is possible that everything is so good with the planning .. I am not in your General Staff. I just indicated that this is a critical point, probably.
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        "into which the patrolling fighter will move" ///
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        So I mean the same
        We began to understand each other
        No patrolling fighters rocket
        Air defense is powerless.
    3. venik 12 October 2021 18: 29
      
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      From 400 km, the S-400 will notice a large AWACS aircraft if it flies at high altitude.
      
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      Not only! She can easily see stealths too - because the early warning radar works there in the meter range, and the guidance radar in the decimeter range! In the decimeter range, radio-absorbing coatings work very poorly, and in the meter range, they hardly work at all!
      Those. Large "stealth" with RPP - they can see (as if they do not have this RPP at all!),!, But handicraft wooden crafts - with this - alas! Problem!
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    What is it like ? ))))
    The S-400 / S500 have a range of 400+ km, that is, they will shoot down enemy aircraft / UAVs at such a range. How do you plan to confidently hit Pantsir-S from a range of 400 km? )))
    
    Perhaps this will be a revelation for you, but in the S-400 ammunition there is no missile defense system with a range of 400 km, do not write nonsense. In addition, the range of action of any even the most long-range air defense system against low-altitude targets is a little more than 60 km.
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      but in the S-400 ammunition there is no anti-aircraft missile with a range of 400 km, do not write nonsense.
      
      There is. 40N6E
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        There is. 40N6E
        
        Formally. But how many of these missiles are there in the troops? In addition, the SAM 40H6 maximum range for large high-altitude targets 380 kmAnd not 400 km.
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      This is for a ground-based radar, if target designation is issued from a height of several thousand meters, then the zur and the over-the-horizon target will take.
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        This is for a ground-based radar, if target designation is issued from a height of several thousand meters, then the zur and the over-the-horizon target will take.
        
        A masterpiece! And you will also raise the guidance station by several thousand meters, and launch the rocket from the air carrier. But then it will not be a missile defense system, but an air-to-air missile launcher.
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    Feeling superior)
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  The problem is that any such layered air defense defense always has a "weak link".
  
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  In this case, it is Armor.
  They know how to shoot down targets flying around them, over them.
  But they do not know how to shoot down targets with built-in electronic warfare that attack the Shells themselves.
  
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  Did you know that it is the air defense systems built on the principle of remote control ("radio command") that are the most jam-resistant? No?
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  But they do not know how to shoot down targets with built-in electronic warfare that attack the Shells themselves.
  
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  Are you sure about that? Alexey, do you actually understand air defense systems?
  PS This is not rudeness, it is - surprise!
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    Did you know that it is the air defense systems built on the principle of remote control ("radio command") that are the most jam-resistant? No?
    
    Not a fact ... at least for medium and long-range missiles
    In addition, with an increase in the range of radio command guidance, accuracy decreases, because it is not just that in the modernized S-300PT-1 and S-300PS, instead of purely radio command 5V55K, they switched to 5V55R with radio command guidance of the second kind.
    The most jam-resistant with combined: inertial / radio command + semi-active / active radar with homing in close proximity to the target. But this method imposes certain restrictions and missiles are very expensive.
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Well, the right decision. Not inventing the best (which is the enemy of the good). I would also add something from small drones as a third frontier in order to minimize costs.

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Why "reinvent the wheel"? "Pantsyr-SM" is just modified for this task! There, in addition to the new surveillance radar and guidance radar (with increased capabilities when working on small-sized low-speed targets), 2 new types of missiles were additionally developed:
"Long-range" (enlarged), with a range of up to 40 km (in the photo - on the left):

and small, "anti-drone", with a range of up to 5 km:

Instead of one "long-range" missile, you can place 4 such missiles:

Thus, Pantsir-SM's ammunition load can vary from 12 (all are "long-range") to 48 (all are "anti-drone") missiles ... Well, plus the cannons, of course ... ...
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  The shell would have to come up with some kind of external radar like an Orion UAV with a radar, so that the air defense missile system could work in a passive mode according to external data.
  
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  Why UAV? Usually, for this purpose, airspace survey radars (not part of the complex, but carrying out information exchange), AWACS aircraft, and AWACS UAVs (though there are not many of them) are used ...
  Previously (in the "times of Ony", ie the USSR), such a function was performed by radars: P-18 (long-range detection), P-19 (near sector) and others .... Now there are in general of them innumerable types ... ...
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    The radar is higher ... the overview is further. I'm talking about actions where there are no RTR surveillance radars
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      The radar is higher ... the overview is further. I'm talking about actions where there are no RTR surveillance radars
      
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      Zaur!
      At first: RTR (electronic intelligence) is somewhat OTHER, believe me!
      In the secondx: what is the point, to detect targets, for example, at a distance of 150 km, if "you can only reach them from a distance of 20 km? Usually - 2-fold excess of the target detection range of the surveillance radar, over the maximum interception range (read the missile defense flight) - "with a head" is enough!
      Thirdly: If you really want to know what is happening far beyond your area of responsibility, then give the Pantsirey2 battery and the P-19 or P-19R station a short time (fortunately, they were "riveted" enough at one time and they are inexpensive!) It will be much easier!
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The planned level of integration of information flows is not entirely clear. It will be good if something like a land-based "Aegis" is created - an integrated BIUS with general target designation and group target firing.