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Never give up! Moscow Panic October 15-16, 1941

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Never give up! Moscow Panic October 15-16, 1941
Moscow residents build barricades on city streets


Psychic attack


The Germans tried to do with Moscow what they did in Warsaw, Oslo, Brussels, Rotterdam and Paris (Psychological warfare. How the Germans stormed the "Holland Fortress"; Nightmare of France. Why did the French surrender so easily to Hitler).

In the summer of 1941, the Nazis had vast experience in inciting panic in big cities, in enemy capitals. The Germans tried to repeat the psychotriller in Moscow, to cause panic in the Soviet capital, to break the will of the Soviet military-political leadership. So that Moscow surrenders, like other Western capitals, or that a split occurs in the Soviet elite over the continuation of the war.

However, the Soviet supreme leadership, apparently, having studied the experience of the countries of Western Europe, and knowing what panic the attacks of the Luftwaffe or their threat caused in large cities, took care of protecting the capital. Therefore, Stalin ordered to cover Moscow in the first month of the war. aviation regiments and a large number of air defense systems.

Already in July 1941, the Moscow air defense zone under the command of Mikhail Gromadin included more than 600 fighters, more than 1 anti-aircraft guns and machine guns, 300 radars, more than 8 anti-aircraft searchlights, more than 600 barrage balloons, etc.

The Moscow air defense was based on the principle of a circular echeloned defense with the strengthening of the western and southern directions, as the most dangerous.

Subsequently, on the personal instructions of Stalin, in order to improve the control system of fighter aircraft, the air defense zone was divided into four sectors, according to a compass card. Each zone had its own commander, deputy commander of the 6th Air Defense Fighter Aviation Corps. Observation posts were moved from the city center to 200-250 km, which allowed our fighters to meet enemy aircraft at distant approaches.

On the night of July 22, 1941, the German Air Force tried to arrange an air pogrom of Moscow: 220 bomber rushed to the city. However, the raid was repulsed, like all subsequent ones.


Soviet fighter aircraft MiG-3 over the Moscow Kremlin


Calculation of the quad anti-aircraft installation of Maxim machine guns on the roof of the Moscow hotel. October 1941

"Typhoon"


In the most terrible days of October-November 1941, when the Nazis launched a decisive assault on Moscow, the Germans again tried to break the will of the Russians to resist. The military pilot Stanislav Gribanov wrote about this in the book "Hostages of Time".

From October 21 to November 20, 1941, in the most difficult days for Moscow, 54 raids were made on the city. The Germans dropped hundreds of high-explosive and 1 incendiary bombs. Since mid-October, the Nazis carried out air attacks not only at night, but also during the day - 900-4 raids per day.

Hitler's pilots tried to bomb the Kremlin, the General Staff and power plants. Two 100-kilogram bombs fell near the headquarters of the Moscow Military District on Osipenko Street. Then the headquarters was still hooked, several officers were shell-shocked by the blast wave, cut by fragments of glass.

At the end of October, the commander of the troops of the Moscow Military District and the Moscow Air Defense Zone reported to A. Shcherbakov in the building of the Central Committee of the Party. During the report, the Germans attacked the building, a massive fire started. Shcherbakov was wounded.

Thus, the Germans tried to inflict pinpoint strikes on the main centers of the capital, if possible, to decapitate the country. Also, the Nazis hit the centers and monuments of culture and art, historical symbols of the Russian people. They tried to break the consciousness and will of our population.

In the bombing of Moscow, a direct hit of a 500-kilogram bomb destroyed the Yevgeny Vakhtangov Theater. The Book Chamber on Tchaikovsky Street burned down, the conservatory was damaged. Three bombs hit the Tretyakov Gallery, bombed the Museum of Fine Arts. Literally by a miracle, they saved the Leo Tolstoy estate museum, which was bombarded with "lighters". A powerful land mine destroyed and damaged almost two dozen buildings on the Ovchinnikovskaya embankment. Another bomb exploded at the Nikitsky Gate, at the monument to Timiryazev. The monument was demolished by a blast wave and smashed (in the morning it was returned to its place). The surrounding buildings were badly damaged.

Also, the "Dynamo", "Hammer and Sickle" factories, the "Parizhskaya Kommuna" factory, the All-Union Construction Exhibition, the publishing houses of the newspapers "Pravda", "Izvestia", the Bolshoi Theater, Moscow State University, etc. were also among the lesions. Bombs fell on the Kremlin, and died about 100 soldiers of the Kremlin garrison.


View of the destroyed building of the Vakhtangov Theater after the raid of German planes on the night of 23-24 July 1941. During the raid, several employees of the theater administration, a firefighter and two artists on duty on the roof were killed.


Defense preparation. Balchug street, Moscow. October 1941

The Soviet press was in no hurry to report this, or did so sparingly. In a big war, this was reasonable.

Photos of victims and destruction, interviews with people distraught with grief, news of "paratroopers and spies" and the like - all this caused a powerful wave of panic and horror in Holland, Belgium and France. Hitler's victims were losing the will to resist, the maddened crowds led to the demoralization of the army. The leaders of the countries-victims of aggression fled or capitulated.

Therefore, the Soviet media were tightly controlled, the reports were short, dry, the press remained calm during the worst moments of the war. The radios were seized, making the country invulnerable to enemy propaganda.

This made it possible to avoid large-scale panic in the fall of 1941. The Nazis could not repeat the psychotriller, create a wave of fear and panic, as in the West.

The Stalinist government noted an important feature of psychological warfare: the disruption of the usual order of things. Most of all people are demoralized by breaking their usual way of life (a good example: 2020–2021 - Operation Pandemic). Paralyzed street traffic, closed bakeries, canteens, shops, hospitals, etc. Therefore, the authorities tried to restore everything as quickly as possible after the bombing.

During the outbreak of panic on October 16, 1941, Stalin, as the People's Commissar of the Aviation Industry Alexei Shakhurin recalled, immediately ordered

“To organize the work of the tram and metro. Open bakeries, shops, canteens, as well as medical institutions with the same composition of doctors who remained in the city. You and Pronin need to speak on the radio today, call for calmness, steadfastness, say that the normal operation of transport, canteens and other consumer services will be ensured. "


Militia girls prepare to leave to defend Moscow


Soldiers of one of the workers' battalions on the Leningradskoye Highway (now Leningradsky Prospekt) in Moscow. In the foreground are the motley armament of the militia: the Lebel rifle model 1886/93, the Polish wz light machine gun. 28, and a German heavy machine gun MG 08. In the background houses 10 and 12 along the Leningradskoe highway. October 1941


A battery of 76,2 mm 3-K anti-aircraft guns in front of the Central Theater of the Red Army in Moscow. October 1941

Moscow panic


By mid-October 1941, there was a threat of large-scale panic in the capital.

Stubborn battles were fought on the outskirts of the city. The Nazis rushed forward, captured Tver-Kalinin, Mozhaisk and Maloyaroslavets. Evacuation measures began: factories and equipment were transported further east, important facilities were prepared for destruction.

Kuibyshev (Samara) became a reserve capital, part of the government, the administrative apparatus, foreign diplomats, and prominent artists were evacuated there. Dozens of defense factories were also evacuated there; this city became one of the largest industrial centers in the country.

Chekists and intelligence officers prepared an underground network, saboteurs, caches with weapons, explosives and ammunition. Special charges were placed under the most important buildings.

At this time there were rumors that the front had been broken, Stalin and the government had fled from Moscow. The bosses at some enterprises and officials began to load families and goods into vehicles and left the capital. Black paper ash flew everywhere: important documents were burned. In places, panic and cases of looting began. Stores and warehouses were destroyed. The finest hour has come for the "bottom", a criminal element. Kazansky and Kursky railway stations and the entire area around were packed with frightened people. Thousands of people left and went on foot along the roads to Murom and Vladimir.

True, on October 16, 1941, the authorities woke up.

Stalin ordered the normal operation of enterprises, transport and shops. On the radio, the chairman of the Moscow City Council Vasily Pronin spoke with an explanation of the situation. Reinforced police patrols appeared in the streets. Marauders and bandits were arrested and shot.

The formation of volunteer divisions began in the capital. Tens, hundreds of thousands of residents rose to defend the city. Some went to the divisions of the people's militia, extermination battalions, others dug trenches, erected barricades, others made shells and mines, and the fourth extinguished fires. That is, in general, the people were healthy. As soon as the authorities show a firm will and show strength, the healthy forces of society prevailed.

Units of the NKVD took up defense on the inner defensive lines of the city, helping to restore order. The troops of the NKVD covered the Leningradskoe highway, the cadets of the NKVD schools occupied the area of ​​the Rzhevsky railway station. Parts of the Dzerzhinsky division were stationed at the Dynamo stadium and at the Vagankovsky cemetery. In the area of ​​the Mayakovsky and Pushkin squares, a reserve is located - the Separate motorized rifle brigade for special purposes of the NKVD of the USSR (OMSBON).


Girls-sandwiches of one of the communist workers' battalions that became part of the 1st regiment of the Moscow workers division of the Moscow workers (1st rifle regiment of the 3rd Moscow communist rifle division) (from right to left): Ekaterina Kashirkina, Zinaida Frolkina, Maria Medvedeva, Taisiya (Yuzefa) Ivshina. E. Kashirkina and T. Ivshina went through the entire war. Z. Frolkina died in a bombing raid in December 1941. The platoon commander of the communications company M. Medvedev died in January 1945 in Hungary.


Soviet women at the production of hand grenades RGD-33 in Moscow. In the foreground: the stakhanovites of V. Elizarov (left) and V. Kuvshinov, which fulfill the norms by 130-145 percent


Women in the ranks during military training in Moscow. The girls are armed with Mauser G 98 rifles, apparently captured by the Red Army from Poland.


Construction of barricades on the streets of Moscow

Stalin himself decided to stay in Moscow.

He refused to leave Moscow by plane. In contrast to the Polish and French leaders who fled from their capitals in 1939 and 1940. The Soviet leader understood that if he left Moscow, the morale of the defenders would be undermined and the capital would fall.

When there were rumors that the German Tanks already in Odintsovo, Stalin went to the nearest dacha in Kuntsevo. That is, he would have been in the path of the Germans if they had really broken through to Odintsovo. Stalin ordered to clear the house and light the stove.

There is a historical anecdote that when Zhukov proposed to move the front headquarters from Moscow to Arzamas, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief suggested that Zhukov take shovels and dig his own graves. The headquarters remained in Moscow.

As a result, the iron will and mind of Stalin and his people's commissars defeated Hitler's strategy of psychological warfare. Will conquered "controlled chaos" and terror. The blitzkrieg fell through - Germany was dragged into a protracted war, a war of attrition. The Russians fought - fiercely and to the end. They extinguished the wave of despair and fear with rage in battle and frenzied activity in the rear.

Russia was lucky that in these terrible moments of history a real leader was at the head.

Whatever was in his soul, whatever oppressive thoughts did not enter his head, outwardly Stalin remained calm and unshakable. Without losing his will and clear mind, he made the entire political, party and military elite of the country work.

The Nazis rushed forward, overthrowing and crushing one of our army after another. They blocked Leningrad, which almost fell, took Kiev, broke through to the Crimea and went to storm Moscow. And the Supreme Commander made plans for the development of the military-industrial complex, the fuel and energy complex, and, together with the British, sent troops to Iran to secure the southern border. At the same time, Stalin was negotiating with the Americans on the supply of equipment, who expected the Soviet Union to collapse within a few weeks.

On the eve of the holiday (November 7), on November 6, Stalin's famous speech at the Ploschad Mayakovsky metro station took place, dedicated to the 24th anniversary of the revolution.

Pavel Sudoplatov, the "main militant" of the NKVD, recalled that although Stalin had surrendered, he still radiated calm confidence and power. His speech about the inevitability of victory ended with a long standing ovation. They did not want to let Stalin go, and he could only show the storming meeting for hours. His energy and will allowed Moscow to withstand, as well as the whole country. He was a real people's leader.


Portrait of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin in the Kremlin. July 1941
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  1. Aurel
    Aurel 13 October 2021 05: 46
    +22
    There was panic, but after Stalin issued a decree that alarmists should be shot on the spot without trial, everything stopped
    1. 210ox
      210ox 13 October 2021 06: 04
      +38
      Yes, our country is lucky that at a difficult moment such a person was at the helm.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 13 October 2021 08: 49
        +15
        For some reason, a comment is not inserted directly under the article, you have to write here. The author, the compass does not have a "coil", there card.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 08: 58
          +7
          That's right - a card.
        2. Kayala
          Kayala 13 October 2021 12: 50
          +6
          The same trouble with comments.
          And as a matter of fact, all these events are very faithfully reproduced in the film "Born by the Revolution". There is also such a gorgeous offscreen text, when the main character, a policeman, looked at the plant director who had escaped from Moscow and thought what motivates this man and how many destinies depend on him.
        3. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 13 October 2021 16: 38
          +1
          I have already sent feedback about the card))) But, most likely, they will not correct it))
        4. 210ox
          210ox 13 October 2021 17: 21
          0
          I understand that it is not inserted from the smartphone?
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 13 October 2021 18: 25
            0
            It is not inserted from a stationary computer.
        5. Alexander Moiseev
          Alexander Moiseev 15 October 2021 10: 29
          -1
          Wipe your eyes, literate: "... the air defense was divided into four sectors, according to card compass. "
      2. ivan2022
        ivan2022 15 October 2021 05: 49
        +4
        Quote: 210ox
        Yes, our country is lucky that at a difficult moment such a person was at the helm.

        Like the master was strong ...

        The fact is that Stalin was formally the secretary of a public organization, a deputy - and until 1940 he did not hold any position in the government of the USSR.

        The fact is that their leader was elected by normal people who thought sensibly and joined a political party for simple and honest reasons.

        And Yeltsin was elected by their descendants, who joined the party, to make it easier to plunder their country. All trash came together on this very ground. THE PEOPLE BECAME DIFFERENT. THAT IS WHAT. A BUSINESS. NOT LUCK.
      3. vlad106
        vlad106 15 October 2021 10: 50
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        Yes, our country is lucky that at a difficult moment such a person was at the helm.

        Stalin is a real Man, Man, Leader.
        It was he who saved the Russian people from the genocide staged by the Trotskyists
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 13 October 2021 06: 09
      +27
      Any teacher will say: the best education is an example of one's own behavior. The fact that Stalin remained in Moscow had an effect on the townspeople more effectively than any executions on the spot. And of course, the authorities went for little tricks, announced premieres and all kinds of concerts by theater and pop artists on the posters. Concerts of Lyubov Orlova love announced at the end of October - beginning of November were the best response to panic messages from the front! good
      1. 210ox
        210ox 13 October 2021 08: 57
        +2
        The destroyed buildings were covered with high fences. There were a lot of them. No matter how hard our pilots and anti-aircraft gunners tried, enemy aircraft broke through to Moscow
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 13 October 2021 15: 51
          +1
          What do you mean "broke through"? Hundreds broke through, few broke through. During the first month of bombing, out of 1700, 50 broke through. This is less than 3%. One of the 33! And we didn't have radars like in London until 1943.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 13 October 2021 16: 25
            +6
            Where does the data come from? In Moscow, during all the raids, more than 5000 buildings were destroyed, and 2500 people died. Of course, of all the capitals of the belligerent countries, Moscow's air defense was the most effective, no one refutes this. It's just that our soldiers did not allow the city to be erased, as they did with the same Stalingrad in August during the raids.
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          2. Tima62
            Tima62 13 October 2021 21: 55
            +3
            Quote: Pushkar
            And we didn't have radars like in London until 1943.

            And Wikipedia (vile) writes that there were.
            RUS-2 (acronym for aircraft radio detector) "Redut" - the first serial pulse radar in the USSR.
            The impulse radar has been mass-produced since 1941. The most massive Soviet-made radar during the Second World War. In 1941-1945, 607 units were produced.
            Radar type 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 Total
            RUS-2 (two-antenna) 2 10 - - - - 12
            РУС-2 (одноантенная) - 15 14 39 43 21 132
            РУС-2с (стационарная) - 12 39 29 110 273 463
            Итого 2 37 53 68 153 294 607
            1. Pushkar
              Pushkar 13 October 2021 22: 18
              +1
              Quote: Tima62

              And Wikipedia (vile) writes that there were.

              The bombing of Moscow took place in 1941. From July to the end of the year. “One of the reasons for the weakness of the Soviet air defense was the lack of radars. It was eliminated only in 1942-1943 thanks to supplies under Lend-Lease. Radar. "

              Source: Air raids on Moscow: how many German planes were shot down by Soviet air defense - Russian seven
              © Russian Seven russian7.ru
              1. Tima62
                Tima62 14 October 2021 20: 15
                0
                Quote: Pushkar
                One of the reasons for the weakness of the Soviet air defense system was the lack of radars.

                Lack - means that there were few of them (very few), but they were all the same.
                Agree with your previous comment - there is a difference.
                Quote: Pushkar
                until 1943 there was
                1. Pushkar
                  Pushkar 14 October 2021 22: 35
                  +2
                  Quote: Tima62
                  Quote: Pushkar
                  One of the reasons for the weakness of the Soviet air defense system was the lack of radars.

                  Lack - means that there were few of them (very few), but they were all the same.
                  Agree with your previous comment - there is a difference.
                  Quote: Pushkar
                  until 1943 there was

                  Don't find fault with words. The first complex was installed, just installed, but not put into operation on 15.07.1941/607/XNUMX. XNUMX locators were produced during the war. How many of them were delivered to the fleet (and they were made first for the fleet)? How many were destroyed during the fighting? The main work was done by the "listeners" VNOS, and the "Redoubts"
                  due to the small number and unreliability in 1941, the weather was not done. Until 1943, we did not have a continuous radar field, like the British.
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    3. Finches
      Finches 13 October 2021 06: 36
      +17
      There are separate recollections of the participants in the events about the move to Arzamas! So the historian Georgy Porkhunov in his article "The Worthy Supreme Commander-in-Chief" cites the conversation of Stepanov, a member of the Military Council of the Air Force of the Western Front, with Stalin. It is the general who puts forward a proposal to move, and the Leader answers him: "Take shovels and dig your own graves. The headquarters of the Western Front remains in Perkhushkovo, and I remain in Moscow." Well what can I say, really worthy Supreme!
      1. Valerikk
        Valerikk 13 October 2021 09: 19
        +11
        There are separate recollections of the participants in the events about the move to Arzamas! So the historian Georgy Porkhunov in his article "The Worthy Supreme Commander-in-Chief" cites the conversation of Stepanov, a member of the Military Council of the Air Force of the Western Front, with Stalin. It is the general who puts forward a proposal to move, and the Leader answers him: "Take shovels and dig your own graves. The headquarters of the Western Front remains in Perkhushkovo, and I remain in Moscow." Well what can I say, really worthy Supreme!

        Marshal Golovanov said the same thing.
        F. Chuev. 140 conversations with Molotov.
        “Today we went to see Molotov in Ilyinskoye with Shota Ivanovich Kvantaliani and Chief Marshal of Aviation Alexander Evgenievich Golovanov.

        The day was warm. Golovanov, tall, in a dark plastic jacket, without a hat, Shota, of medium height, wide, also without a hat.

        We sat in the Usovskaya train. I got the “fresh” issue of Komsomolskaya Pravda - an interview with G.K. Zhukov. Correspondent V. Peskov asks the question: "Was it not dangerous to keep control of the decisive battle so close to the front?" We are talking about the headquarters of the Western Front in the village of Perkhushkovo during the Moscow battle. Zhukov replies: “There was a risk. Bet told me about it. And didn’t I understand myself? But I also understood well another thing: delay the front headquarters - after it the army and division headquarters will be drawn. But this could not be allowed ... "

        - He's lying! - Golovanov said sharply and threw the newspaper onto the train bench. - He put before Stalin the question of [c. 430] to move the headquarters of the Western Front from Perkhushkovo to the eastern outskirts of Moscow, to the Arzamas area. This meant the surrender of Moscow to the enemy. I witnessed a telephone conversation between Stalin and a member of the military council of the Air Force of the Western Front, General Stepanov, who put this question to Stalin on behalf of the front command. Stalin replied: “Take your shovels and dig your own graves. The headquarters of the Western Front will remain in Perkhushkovo, and I will remain in Moscow. Goodbye". In addition to Stepanov, Vasilevsky and Shtemenko know about this. Zhukov is Zhukov, but fact is fact. And at the meeting he will say that either this was not the case, or the correspondent wrote in the wrong way, - Golovanov grinned. "
    4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Obi-Wan Kenobi 13 October 2021 06: 43
      +18
      Now the "guarantor with friends" is allocating money to fight corruption.
      And Comrade Stalin would have allocated a place for a cemetery!
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 13 October 2021 07: 30
        +11
        Rather, I would suggest that they choose a place to rest for themselves and their household.
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 13 October 2021 15: 57
          +4
          Quote: Black Colonel
          Rather, I would suggest that they choose a place to rest for themselves and their household.

          If we are to shoot them, then burn the corpses and let the ashes down the drain. What a "resting place."
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 14 October 2021 14: 44
        -1
        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
        Now the "guarantor with friends" is allocating money to fight corruption.
        And Comrade Stalin would have allocated a place for a cemetery!

        Type of wood chopping wood chips fly? And if these chips are by mistake you and your wife, children, grandchildren, friends? And then they will say, but think they were wrong ... Slivers! It is easy to decide someone else's fate .. Hang, shoot, enemy of the people! And what about your own fate, and the fate of your children and your wife? Shoot? Or maybe figure it out first!
        1. ivan2022
          ivan2022 15 October 2021 21: 02
          +3
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          Now the "guarantor with friends" is allocating money to fight corruption.
          And Comrade Stalin would have allocated a place for a cemetery!

          Type of wood chopping wood chips fly? And if these chips are by mistake you and your wife, children, grandchildren, friends? And then they will say, but think they were wrong ... Slivers! It is easy to decide someone else's fate .. Hang, shoot, enemy of the people! And what about your own fate, and the fate of your children and your wife? Shoot? Or maybe figure it out first!


          Or maybe at first you can understand why this happens with us?
          "Slivers fly" - this is when the law is violated at the level of officials. You probably watched the movie "The Count of Monte Cristo"? What happened to the big bosses when it turned out that they were dirty? Huh?

          And what did Boris Nikolaevich and I have when he destroyed it. country, shot Top .. Council, and the State Duma adopted in early 1996 a decision on the presence of corpus delicti in his actions?

          A. it was that our blessed people chose him. PRESIDENT FOR THE SECOND TIME !!
          And there were no protests among the people.

          If the people allow such a thing, he himself is like a splinter and will fly wherever he goes and follows him in justice ..... Everything in this world is fair and everyone is rewarded according to Merit. ...
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 15 October 2021 22: 00
            -2
            And you didn't try to think?
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 October 2021 09: 17
      +15
      Quote: Aurel
      There was panic, but after Stalin issued a decree that alarmists should be shot on the spot without trial, everything stopped

      My father, after leaving the encirclement, was in the 4th airborne corps being formed on the Volga, and their 8th brigade was sent to restore order in Moscow in October.
      He told how they caught saboteurs, alarmists, marauders. To these saboteurs and marauders were shot, many alarmists from among party leaders and officials, suffered the same fate. Within a week, order was restored and Moscow began to live without this slag and garbage.
    6. Igor Svir
      Igor Svir 14 October 2021 00: 39
      +1
      this moment was reflected in the series BORN OF THE REVOLUTION
  2. Far B
    Far B 13 October 2021 05: 52
    -6
    (good example: 2020-2021 - Operation Pandemic)
    This is a really good example. Stalin (1941): the work of transport, the service sector, etc. - restore as much as possible. Putin (2020): everyone put on muzzles and hide in their homes, and I myself - in the bunker! Under what, interestingly, substances, Borya Polstapyaty and others like him manage to compare these two leaders of the state? request
    1. Pavel73
      Pavel73 13 October 2021 06: 34
      +18
      And what, we do not have transport, service sector, etc.? Everyone should wear muzzles, but didn't you have to wear gas masks in 1941? And stop lying about the "bunker"! All government leaders have and still have bunkers, such is their dangerous job. Take any battleship or battleship: the most protected and thickly armored place is the conning tower, in which the ship's commander is located. Because it is the commander who is the main target of the enemy. Hit the commander and the whole team will be demoralized and easily defeated. So is the head of state. Even if you remember the most democratic country in the world, the United States of America, every tenth president was KILLED! And attempts were made on every third! In the end, it came to the conclusion that the US president became a purely dummy figure with no real power, and used only for representative functions, and cockfighting in elections. This is also a kind of "bunker". For REAL US power. In England, the grandmother and the prime minister perform the same function. These are also cover figures.
      1. Far B
        Far B 13 October 2021 06: 39
        .
        And what, we do not have transport, service sector, etc.?
        And to strain your memory a little - is it not destiny? How did the service sector work there last year? I won't even talk about the rest of your pearls, but an attempt to wash the black dog white-washed is counted. The pie is in its usual place, you can take it.
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 13 October 2021 06: 46
          +13
          It worked fine for us. Personally, I have not noticed any significant changes in my daily life. However, I live in the village. And this is a place that all sorts of cataclysms affect much less than the city. Neither the crisis of 1998, nor 2008, nor 2014 had any effect whatsoever. And the pandemic got to me last, I ate this rubbish, it didn't seem a little.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 13 October 2021 11: 08
            +3
            Quote: Pavel73
            I live in the village

            During a pandemic, it’s a fairy tale to be in the village!)) Your plot, near the forest, nature ... And in the city you sit for days without going out in a concrete box, and on the street the swearing man is screaming so that all the houses are. As in prison, as if you are shaking a time.

            Quote: Pavel73
            Neither the crisis of 1998, nor 2008, nor 2014 affected absolutely nothing.

            I do not even doubt it.

            And what lives, and why
            He does not need gold,
            When a simple product has.
            Father could not understand him
            And gave the land as a pledge.
        2. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 13 October 2021 11: 50
          +1
          Can you name a white dog for me, at least one?
        3. Igor Svir
          Igor Svir 14 October 2021 00: 43
          +1
          EEE ... and you madam, didn't you watch on TV HOW crowds of people were resting on one St. Petersburg street all night ??? or maybe you want to put a ban on a moment like LOCKDOWN ?? and probably when you have flu in Khokhlosvinii - you dance in the streets and passionately kiss each other and the dogs ?? you are strange .. not anointed critic ..
      2. demo
        demo 13 October 2021 06: 49
        +7
        Even if you remember the most democratic country in the world, the United States of America, every tenth of its president was KILLED! And attempts were made on every third!
        This is what "carried you"!
        The destruction of millions of local indigenous people, as well as the time of the development of territories, looks especially democratic.
        All issues were resolved on the spot using hand-held firearms. And democratic institutions - courts - were absent, by definition.
        Then they robbed Mexico democratically. We won back the northern territories.
        Then democratically robbed the countries of Central and South America.
        Later....
        The list of properties and principles of American "democracy" is endless.
        1. Pavel73
          Pavel73 13 October 2021 06: 54
          +5
          I just wanted to show that the head of state is physically, mentally hard and deadly work. So "bunkers" of various kinds are, alas, a necessity for the head of state. Of course, if he is the real head of state. Not a dummy like the American president. Which itself is one of the elements of the "bunker". That is, cover.
          1. demo
            demo 13 October 2021 07: 09
            +5
            Yes. There are enough sick people in the world who can kill for nothing.
            First person protection is essential.
            No doubt about it.
            But it's about something else.
            Security measures must be correlated with what can be called caring for the people.
            When they say that it is necessary to self-isolate, then a natural question arises - for what means the people sitting in isolation will buy food, pay for utilities, etc.
            If it is necessary to observe the mask regime, then why the state and its leader did nothing to ensure that the population received those same masks at any time for free. On the contrary, the cost of masks has skyrocketed tenfold.
            And so on.
            The isolation of the head of state from the people for whom he must act, in the form of the lack of effective assistance measures - this is the reason for the negative reaction to the presence of the "bunker".
            1. Pavel73
              Pavel73 13 October 2021 07: 17
              +3
              When people talk about self-isolation, this does not mean "quit your job and stay at home." And masks are not such an expensive thing, you can buy it. I have a package of 50 pieces in my car, I haven't used half of it yet.
              1. demo
                demo 13 October 2021 09: 34
                +4
                I have a package of 50 pieces in my car, I haven't used half of it yet.
                Masks are such a thing that they can come in handy.
                I once bought a large number of rubber goods # 1 (on occasion).
                I thought I would use it up quickly, but there is still a significant supply.
                I think they won't be useful! hi

                It's not about the price. And the attitude of the authorities (the country's leadership) to the aspirations of the population.
                As the deputy of the Saratov Legislative Assembly said, “There have been times worse, but there has never been a meaner time than today.
                This is about this.
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 13 October 2021 10: 30
                  +8
                  This is not the time that has become meaner! it is people who began to live in a more information-rich space. Humanity is waiting for a test for evolution, and which is connected to a greater extent with how people will be able to digest large flows of information.
                  1. demo
                    demo 13 October 2021 15: 47
                    +1
                    The amount of information (often absolutely false and worthless) can be "digested" by the human brain only in some maximum (for a given brain) amount.
                    It's about something else.
                    What I, you, we get from the surrounding information space can be roughly divided into two categories - necessary and interesting.
                    I don't think there is a need to decrypt.
                    The amount of information that is interesting can be assimilated in an unlimited (within the framework of the body's and brain's endurance) amount.
                    But the necessary (within the framework of work) is assimilated much more modestly and with difficulty.
                    These are the properties of our brain.

                    I doubt that a person who is overloaded with information, but who has moral principles inherent in childhood and youth, adopted in society, with an increase in the (informational) load will suddenly cease to observe these principles.
                    The social skills necessary for joint conflict-free living in one village, in one city, in one country are laid in those fields and subfields of the brain that are not used for other information flows.
                    If a young man or girl in public transport did not give way to an elderly person, or a woman with a child, or a disabled person, then this does not mean that he is overloaded with information, but that he was simply not accustomed to this.

                    If there are people in power who are not talking about the benefits of specific people and the population in general, but about the abstract benefits of the state, then this suggests that the country is doomed to stagnation and destruction, and not to development and prosperity.
                    And the information avalanche has nothing to do with it.
                    Such people are in power. Such power.
                    Cannibal.
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov 13 October 2021 18: 23
                      0
                      A person does not use the subconscious part of the mechanism for analyzing the work of the brain, which works like intuition and ensures the vitality of the individual. Once having embarked on the development of intuition, a person can work with an information array without choosing what is necessary and unnecessary. The brain will sort it by itself and give a link at the right time. Therefore, mathematical methods of working with super-large data on functions of constant value of a number are more likely to be understood by a creative person.
                      1. demo
                        demo 14 October 2021 09: 54
                        +1
                        Honestly, I didn't quite understand you.
                        Without commas, capital letters in the text do not allow you to correctly interpret what you wanted to say.
                        This is the first.
                        Intuition is too general a concept that does not have scientific confirmation.
                        A set of acquired knowledge, on a par with life experience - is this intuition? Or is this the basis for the emergence of intuition?
                        Not an idle question!
                        Is intuition a separate property of every brain? Or is intuition a rare gift inherent in the individual?
                        The answers to these fundamental questions determine how correctly you were able to assess the ability of each person's brain to work with super-large amounts of data.
                      2. gridasov
                        gridasov 14 October 2021 10: 44
                        +1
                        I accept your reproaches! But I involuntarily use the technique when I put not grammar, but the semantic content of the text into the dominant of the text. And at the same time, you are right that the subtle little things, including grammar, determine the important qualities of a person. As for the ability of the brain to carry out analysis at a subconscious level, this is not a topic of idle reasoning. We need both competence and a desire to understand what is hidden behind the non-obviousness of many processes. To explain to me what a multipolar transistor on natural numbers or a function of a constant value of a number is, you need to be ready to hear and draw conclusions.
                      3. demo
                        demo 15 October 2021 06: 55
                        0
                        To explain to me what a multipolar transistor on natural numbers or a function of a constant value of a number is, you need to be ready to hear and draw conclusions.

                        I must add - be able to draw conclusions.
                        Which is determined by the appropriate education.
                        One desire is not enough.
                        Often in my life I had to get to various seminars, lectures, reports, where for hours various scientists talked about their research and achievements.
                        After graduation, I went out into the fresh air and caught myself thinking that I did not understand anything at all.
                        Just a set of words and phrases that did not give a single gram of useful information.

                        Please dismiss. stop
                      4. gridasov
                        gridasov 15 October 2021 09: 03
                        0
                        Yes, but you did not understand this fellow in reason. They are confident in their reasoning. This speaks only of the potential capabilities of the brain of each to perceive information. Personally, I keep the level of meaningfulness of what is said so as not to waste time on people who are not able to perceive some information. This does not mean that anyone is stupid. This speaks of the potential of this or that person. Therefore, everyone solves their own problems in the process of life. For example, today I am talking on a discussion platform about the topic of how to get away from standard units of measurement in mathematical technologies. As any unit of measurement of any physical parameters, bind to a number. Pull?
                      5. demo
                        demo 15 October 2021 09: 32
                        0
                        Most likely no.
                        The sphere of my interests lies in a different plane.
                        And, by the way, it takes a lot of psychic energy.
                        To start, at my age, "from scratch" is possible, but not as easy as before.
                        But, for the sake of curiosity, what does it mean "moving away from reference units of measurement in mathematical technologies"?
                        Please explain to me, if possible, what is meant by the term "mathematical technology".
                        Thank you in advance.
                      6. gridasov
                        gridasov 15 October 2021 10: 27
                        0
                        I confess that my sphere of interests is tied to life support in a completely different space. But nonetheless! I'll try to explain. The key task of mathematics is to provide information for what we perceive as real physical effects and processes. That is, we have the world around us and our functionality of perception of this world. But in order to develop, you need some knowledge that has a fundamental basis for the formation of a worldview. In short, we are victims of the imposed methodology of analyzing what is happening to us. But this is neither bad nor good. As part of evolution, we ourselves, while developing, create new conditions for each subsequent generation, which grows on our achievements. So in the theory of numbers there is a deep hole, which is either not seen due to already imposed and not at all superfluous knowledge, or for a set of other reasons. In general, such concepts as time, space and many other concepts that have multiple meanings in understanding cannot be described by those methods that are built on the foundations of mathematics as functions of the variable value of a number. That is, we cannot, by a private decision and proof of particulars, describe the multivaluedness, multi-sectoriality and radically dynamic processes. New methods of accurate and unambiguous interpretation in big data analysis are needed. And one of the problems of fundamental knowledge is the ability to create not subjective ideas about units of measurement, but the ability to describe units of measurement as a derivative of the space described by Number. That is, you need to understand that the essence of the space itself is its properties as a structure tied to a number. It turns out that the number can be used as a standard for building, first of all, an indissoluble space, or, as we say, a causal continuity. I would talk about how to use Number without using its symbols and the potential of meanings that we know. Or how to express a number by an electro-magnetic impulse in a direct transformation of a value. Otherwise, how to get away from subjectivity in analysis and carry out analysis in relation to physics, geometry and structural constructions associated with the number itself. I understand that I have already gone too far to be understood. This is a long conversation that will lead to simple and optimized conclusions. In short, our brain is a machine that can be taught and taught to work with big data based on fundamental knowledge of Number. This is a short introduction to the topic.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 13 October 2021 11: 08
      +4
      How did you not use it up? Did you know that masks need to be changed every two hours?
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 13 October 2021 19: 30
        -3
        Do you know the size of the cell in the mask and the size of the virus?
        1. Diverxnumx
          Diverxnumx 21 October 2021 14: 00
          0
          And a virus - does it fly in the air by itself, or is it on droplets of moisture (sneezed / coughed / exhaled)? ))
    3. B1 Lanser
      B1 Lanser 14 October 2021 20: 07
      -2
      The motorized SS division Das Reich also attacked in the Moscow direction! Battle at the Borodino field! Commander Paul Hausser!
      And two years later, in the summer of 1943, the Das Reich division will attack during Operation Citadel as part of the SS 2 Panzer Corps!
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 October 2021 09: 24
    +5
    Quote: demo
    The destruction of millions of local indigenous people, as well as the time of the development of territories, looks especially democratic.

    ... the conquest of foreign territory by the Anglo-Saxons, which for some reason is called the "stronghold of democracy."
    As J.V. Stalin said "I thought all the time that democracy is the rule of the people, but President Roosevelt explained to me that democracy is the rule of the American people".
  • gsev
    gsev 13 October 2021 06: 38
    +10
    Quote: Dalny V
    Putin (2020): everyone put on muzzles and hide in their homes, and I myself - in the bunker!

    The PRC also ordered everyone to wear masks. With an outbreak of an epidemic in China (about 10 cases per day in a city with a population of over one million), everyone sits at home, the work of enterprises stops. Only one person from the family can go to the nearest grocery store every three days. Therefore, there are fewer cases of coronavirus in China, the number of deaths in Russia. Recently, a commission from the central ministry went to find out the reasons for the sloppiness of the local provincial government and the local health authorities and provide emergency assistance in a crisis situation. The cause of the crisis is one seriously ill with coronavirus and four identified asymptomatic carriers of this infection. In Russia, almost 1000 fellow citizens die from the coronavirus every day. This is 5% of the daily losses during the last war with the Germans or 80% of the annual losses during the war in Afghanistan. However, Putin Mishustin, Soloviev and RT were unable to induce the Russians to wear masks into the epidemic.
    1. demo
      demo 13 October 2021 10: 05
      0
      However, Putin Mishustin, Soloviev and RT were unable to encourage Russians to wear masks during the epidemic.
      It has been said by experts more than one hundred times - the mask does not protect against the virus.
      The mesh size of the mask is too large; it's like trying to keep out mosquitoes with a chain-link netting. wink
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 13 October 2021 12: 24
        +15
        Quote: demo
        However, Putin Mishustin, Soloviev and RT were unable to encourage Russians to wear masks during the epidemic.
        It has been said by experts more than one hundred times - the mask does not protect against the virus.
        The mesh size of the mask is too large; it's like trying to keep out mosquitoes with a chain-link netting. wink

        The mistake lies in the fact that viruses do not have wings and do not fly through the air themselves.
        They are carried by particles of saliva and mucus when coughing and sneezing.
        from patients and carriers. The size of such particles is gigantic in comparison with viruses.
        The correct three-layer mask, when applied correctly, does its job.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 13 October 2021 13: 29
          -4
          Where did you get the idea that the virus is transmitted exclusively on a drop, say, saliva?
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 13 October 2021 19: 47
            +7
            Quote: ee2100
            Where did you get the idea that the virus is transmitted exclusively on a drop, say, saliva?

            The virus is transmitted:
            1. Airborne droplets (coughing and sneezing).
            2. By contact (through touch).
            To avoid contamination, we wear masks and wash our hands thoroughly.
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 13 October 2021 20: 31
              -5
              Source indicate that the Covid virus is transmitted through saliva and through household contact
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 13 October 2021 21: 32
                +6
                Quote: ee2100
                Source indicate that the Covid virus is transmitted through saliva and through household contact

                You won't believe it anyway.
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 14 October 2021 00: 46
                  -3
                  I can cite opposite opinions. Since the middle of last year, scientific research on the spread of the virus has not been published in the open press, and maybe not carried out at all, but what the media write is the opinion of different specialists. If it's not difficult to find a statement for the spring of last year by Roshal and see what he says now.
                  In one thing you are right - it's all a matter of faith.
                  In the spring of last year, when all nursing homes in Europe were on fire, the Germans examined the wards where the sick lay and tried to "revive" the detected virus. make it active. The result is zero. This is about the contact-household method of transmission. And one more assumption was confirmed. I hope you saw the picture of the virus and you know why it is called "corona virus". So, if a virus is attached somewhere with its corona teeth, it is inactivated. Including if he fell on a drop of saliva, he also becomes inactive. True, it does not have wings, like saliva, but it can be in the air for a long time and only when combined with the mucous membrane of a person, it enters the body. Masks certainly help, as it is believed that the risk of infection decreases from 15 to 20%, but do not forget about one more purely psychological thing - people began to shun each other, especially those who wear masks.
                  Last year, everyone scolded the Swedes for their policies towards Covid. Last Friday I was in Stockholm - everything is open and masks, even in stores, almost no one wears.
                  Now it is officially announced that 30% of those infected are vaccinated.
                  I can write a lot more.
          2. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 13 October 2021 20: 01
            +6
            And in addition, a few pictures:
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 13 October 2021 20: 32
              -3
              Back in the spring of last year, the Danes proved that masks were not effective. And plokpts are agitation.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 13 October 2021 21: 36
                +5
                Quote: ee2100
                Back in the spring of last year, the Danes proved that masks were not effective. And plokpts are agitation.

                The Danes could be wrong. Posters are an attempt to clearly explain the situation. In your case, it failed, alas.
                In any case, take care of yourself. Save you, L-rd. hi
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 14 October 2021 00: 58
                  -2
                  When I was studying at the institute, they said that drops of saliva fly a meter when talking, when coughing by two and sneezing by 3.
                  This poster says the same thing, but only as a percentage. And pay attention - even though the poster was released by some antique institution in the poster only about the risk of infection, not a word about the virus.
                  On droplets of saliva, microbes can be transmitted - pathogens, for example, sore throat, for example. Yes, it is necessary to keep the distance. But if you got sick before, then contacts were limited.
                  Masks are intended for medical staff and only in order to protect the patient from "themselves".
                  Of course, you shouldn't get sick either! But now the authorities are not even specialists, but simply ignorant politicians. And in addition, this epidemic happened when almost all countries held the so-called. health care reform is the result.
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 13 October 2021 12: 58
        +5
        The mask should be worn primarily in order not to infect other people. Well, masks are different, with different degrees of protection.
      3. gsev
        gsev 13 October 2021 13: 26
        +10
        Quote: demo
        It has been said by experts more than one hundred times - the mask does not protect against the virus.
        The mesh size of the mask is too large; it's like trying to keep out mosquitoes with a chain-link netting.

        The pores of the skin are 2 orders of magnitude larger than the size of the HIV virus, but science is not aware of cases of this virus entering the human blood. The mask reduces by 2-3 times the likelihood of infection from a patient when it is worn by a healthy person, and 3-4 times when it is worn by a sick person or the severity of the disease. The practice of the Japanese wearing masks during the flu epidemic shows that this is an effective protection that reduces the incidence of illness by more than an order of magnitude.
    2. demo
      demo 13 October 2021 10: 13
      -2
      Chinese statistics are another case.
      When it is necessary to present something in a certain light, the PDA will give the necessary command and the statistics will respond with the necessary data.
      We read below.
      Mainland china
      All cases of the disease
      96 500
      Lethal outcomes
      4 636
      Those. the percentage of deaths is about 5.
      Whole world
      All cases of the disease
      219 млн
      Lethal outcomes
      4,55 млн
      Those. the percentage of deaths is about 2.
      Well, where is the achievement of the PRC?
      Russia
      All cases of the disease
      7,71 млн
      Lethal outcomes
      214 тыс.
      The same 5%.
      We do not wear masks. I don’t wash my hands. We do not pay attention to the virus.
      1. gsev
        gsev 13 October 2021 13: 31
        +2
        Quote: demo
        The same 5%.
        We do not wear masks. I don’t wash my hands

        The PRC has a population of 1500. The virus appeared in China six months earlier. They did not know how to treat him in the first months. If they did not wear masks, then the Chinese died 000 times more Russians or 000 times more Americans. That is, thanks to the wearing of masks and vaccination in the PRC, not one and a half million, but only 5 people, died from covid.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 13 October 2021 06: 43
    +6
    Quote: Dalny V
    Under what, interestingly, substances, Borya Polstapyaty and others like him manage to compare these two leaders of the state?

    Breathes with acetone ..
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 13 October 2021 11: 53
      +4
      We are discussing an article lightweight Samsonov or a pandemic? What is the manner of translating everything today, especially since in most cases it is absolutely pointless
  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 13 October 2021 07: 32
    +6
    You, apparently, have a different idea of ​​how to behave during an epidemic.
  • samosad
    samosad 13 October 2021 11: 04
    +1
    Well, tell us where his bunker is and when he hid there, otherwise you're a balabolka.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 13 October 2021 05: 53
    +5
    I am surprised at Alexander's broad review ... it was Stalin's turn belay.
    And so the article is patriotic ... an emergency situation requires emergency measures.
    Thank God, the leadership of the USSR made the right decisions on the defense of Moscow and its approaches ... albeit belated ... already after the Kiev defeat and near Vyazma by the Germans of the Red Army troops, the situation was desperate.
    All this could have been avoided if a lot of mistakes were made by the military command in assessing the enemy in the border battles of the Red Army with the Wehrmacht.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 13 October 2021 06: 08
      +3
      I am not sure that at the beginning of the war against such wedges there was an effective means of defensiveness. With aviation, yes, a catastrophic mistake
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 13 October 2021 06: 26
        +8
        There were plenty of tanks in the Red Army ... but the leadership of the Red Army did not have a clear understanding of how to properly use the masses of tanks against such an enemy as Guderian.
        The mechanized corps of the Red Army rushed into battle in units without the support of aviation, artillery and infantry ... of course, the Germans smashed them mercilessly.
        It took several major defeats to get to high command.
        Although it is clear to us descendants from the height of the past tense ... but at that time not everything was so obvious.
        1. B1 Lanser
          B1 Lanser 14 October 2021 20: 07
          -1
          The motorized SS division Das Reich also attacked in the Moscow direction! Battle at the Borodino field! Commander Paul Hausser!
          And two years later, in the summer of 1943, the Das Reich division will attack during Operation Citadel as part of the SS 2 Panzer Corps!
      2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 10: 17
        +2
        The Germans created an advantage in forces at the edge of the wedge dozens of times and pierced through any defense, be it even deaf, at least some! Plus, from above, if the weather permitted, there was continuous air cover and attack on our positions. And it was only in the Battle of Kursk that we learned how to land, and then attack!
        1. 210ox
          210ox 13 October 2021 11: 39
          +1
          So, at Kursk, a strong defense was created in narrow areas. Minefields, artillery positions, anti-tank obstacles are easier to create at a hundred kilometers than at a thousand in 1941 ..
          1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
            Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 14: 15
            +1
            I will argue with you - look at the preparation of the defense on the Kursk salient in any available source! There is a crazy amount of engineering work, millions of mines, hundreds of kilometers of electrified barriers and ditches, and dug trenches - from the Baltic to the Red Sea is enough ... They are still mobile, but the people dug up the land then God forbid. I think that it is possible to put that volume in the first place in the Guinness Book of Records.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 13 October 2021 14: 22
              +2
              You did not understand. At the front of 100 km. And so it’s true, our soldiers and civilians built an abyss there. But again, in the depths of the defense. The direction of the main blow was known. But in 1941 ... My relatives at that time lived in Smolensk on Tabornaya Gora, they said that in the winter and spring of 1941, echelons went to Belarus in a stream. We were preparing for the attack. But mistakes reduced everything to a tragedy then. Although, in fact, it is not for us to judge this.
              1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
                Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 15 October 2021 08: 30
                -1
                As for our attack on Germany - do not repeat Rezun-Suvorov, please !!! If we had tried it then, then the defeat would have awaited us on the territory of Poland, and all the same, the scenario of the war would have been approximately the same. And about that memorandum of Zhukov in May 1941 about preempting Germany and inflicting a preemptive strike - my opinion: this is either a fake, or written by Zhukov himself in the post-war years, but at whose request?!? ... In general, it will remain historical a riddle.
                PS By the way, about the spring of 1941: my family lived in Murom (the road to the east passes through us) and nearby, beyond the Oka, Navashino station, but that is already the Gorky railway. So, my grandmother told me that from the beginning of May 1941 trains with both people and equipment, but under a tarpaulin, on some days went literally at intervals of 15-20 minutes. Equipment and troops were driven west. So, the redeployment has already taken place. What it was, so no one knew, and did not even know - there was a war ahead and how we prepared for it, but we were preparing unequivocally. Although, having read various memoirs of Soviet commanders in the past, our intelligence did not add clarity to Stalin's head, but only confused him: in the end, Stalin expected a blow from Germany, Finland, Romania, Turkey and even miserable and impoverished Persia (Iran). Well, and Japan to boot. Our agents confused their leaders, and they, in turn, confused Stalin. And we got on June 22nd. Thank God, the country had a lot of strength and we won.
            2. B1 Lanser
              B1 Lanser 14 October 2021 20: 10
              -3
              The motorized SS division Das Reich also attacked in the Moscow direction! Battle at the Borodino field! Commander Paul Hausser!
              And two years later, in the summer of 1943, the Das Reich division will attack during Operation Citadel as part of the SS 2 Panzer Corps!
          2. B1 Lanser
            B1 Lanser 14 October 2021 20: 07
            -1
            The motorized SS division Das Reich also attacked in the Moscow direction! Battle at the Borodino field! Commander Paul Hausser!
            And two years later, in the summer of 1943, the Das Reich division will attack during Operation Citadel as part of the SS 2 Panzer Corps!
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 13 October 2021 07: 35
      +6
      After decades of hindsight, everyone is wise
    3. gridasov
      gridasov 13 October 2021 10: 35
      +6
      If anyone notices, then the person is diverse in his views and actions. So Stalin played a key role in the victory over the enemy. Without the Leader, without the Light, in the real sense of the word, the masses would never have accomplished a massive feat of the entire People. At the same time, in other circumstances, Stalin was a different person.
      1. your1970
        your1970 13 October 2021 12: 03
        +1
        Quote: gridasov
        Without the Leader, without the Light, in the real sense of the word, the masses would never have accomplished a massive feat of the entire People.

        Based on your proposal, the people could not do anything WITHOUT Stalin ???!
        Haaaaarosh what you think of our Soviet people ...
        fool
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 13 October 2021 12: 50
          +4
          Not everything is so simple in this world. And no one can evaluate the measures of the people's feat. But society is either a winner with Faith and Hope. Or in panic and uncontrollable chaos, extinct.
        2. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 13 October 2021 13: 05
          -3
          Quote: your1970
          Haaaaarosh what you think of our Soviet people ...

          An article with the #stalin tag will certainly result in a competition of praises. There are very few comments directly related to the situation in Moscow in the alarming November 41, without mentioning the genius of Comrade Stalin.
        3. 210ox
          210ox 13 October 2021 14: 29
          +2
          About the Soviet people ..... Certainly, a low bow to our soldiers and people in the rear. But the idea and the Leader mean a lot ... Do you think that over some twenty years the people have changed a lot? After all, there were both "pasture sheep" and enemies among our people. And take, for example, the army and the people during WWI ... Yes, they went for the faith, the king and the fatherland ... At first, and then the ideal faded so much that they wanted to strangle them with pleasure. Together with the environment. At all times our people were strong in spirit, the main thing is that there was a goal and an ideal.
          1. your1970
            your1970 13 October 2021 15: 11
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            At first, and then the ideal faded so much that they wanted to strangle with pleasure

            Therefore, the white officers shot themselves - when they realized that they had lost the war?
        4. ivan2022
          ivan2022 16 October 2021 20: 47
          +1
          The people could. Nominate Stalin. Stalin was not the crown prince. He held an elective position.

          And then the people were able to nominate Khrushchev, Gorby and Yeltsin. The people became different and the leaders of the people became different. Only this way and not the other way around.

          What is the "forming state", so is the state. People are not "Soviet" or "anti-Soviet" He is Russian, and the existing state is a reflection of the state of mind of the people.
      2. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 13 October 2021 12: 26
        -3
        Quote: gridasov
        without a Light, in the real sense of the word

        And without religious ecstasy in any way? Is the lust for the object of worship a cost of the mentality?
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 13 October 2021 12: 52
          +3
          Religious or other fanaticism is different in that it sometimes allows you to win imaginary victories. Only they cannot keep it for a long time.
          1. Ashes of Claes
            Ashes of Claes 13 October 2021 13: 01
            -7
            Quote: gridasov
            Religious or other fanaticism is different in that it sometimes allows you to win imaginary victories. Only they cannot keep it for a long time.

            And what type of fanaticism do you refer to your yearning for "The Light and the Leader"?
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 13 October 2021 13: 10
              +3
              I know that without a motivating basis in the mind, a person is very flawed. The Germans very carefully studied the behavior of people in critical conditions for life. The believers and the motivated survived. Talk to others about longing.
              1. Ashes of Claes
                Ashes of Claes 13 October 2021 14: 28
                .
                Quote: gridasov
                The Germans very carefully studied the behavior of people in critical conditions for life. The believers survived and the motivated

                Capitalizing the word "believers" says more about you than the text of the commentary. You are obviously one of those who are ready to stick icons with the face of Stalin on the panel instead of Nicholas the Wonderworker (or whatever saints are being molded there).
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 13 October 2021 15: 10
                  +5
                  This speaks only of the increased level of vitality of these people.
      3. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 14: 16
        +1
        You belittle the role and patriotism of our people. The role of the individual in history is important, but we were taught differently under the USSR.
    4. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 October 2021 16: 45
      -6
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I am surprised at Alexander's broad review ... it was Stalin's turn

      But the headline is idiotic
      .
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 13 October 2021 05: 57
    +13
    Russia was lucky that in these terrible moments of history a real leader was at the head.
    "Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours!"
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 13 October 2021 06: 25
      +17
      Comrades, Red Army men and Red Navy men, commanders and political workers, partisans and partisans! The whole world looks at you as a force capable of destroying the bandit hordes of German invaders. The enslaved peoples of Europe, who have fallen under the yoke of the German invaders, look at you as their liberators. A great mission of liberation has fallen to your lot. Be worthy of this mission! The war you are waging is a war of liberation, a just war. Let the courageous image of our great ancestors - Alexander Nevsky, Dimitry Donskoy, Kuzma Minin, Dimitri Pozharsky, Alexander Suvorov, Mikhail Kutuzov - inspire you in this war! Let the invincible banner of the great Lenin overshadow you!

      For the complete defeat of the German invaders!
      Death to the German occupiers!
      Long live our glorious Motherland, its freedom, its independence!
      Under the banner of Lenin - forward to victory!
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 13 October 2021 13: 15
        +6
        Quote: Crowe
        Comrades Red Army and Red Navy, commanders and political workers, partisans and partisans! The whole world looks at you as a force

        I wonder how the king would address the people in such a case? Gentlemen, bankers, capitalists ... Would he even apply at all? And if you applied, where did it come from, from the bunker under the tricolor?))
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 13 October 2021 14: 35
          -1
          Quote: Stas157
          I wonder how the king would turn

          In exactly the same style. Spirit-uplifting pathos with a mention of past victories. Do you have doubts? The only thing is that the list
          courageous image of our great ancestors
          would be a couple of names longer.
    2. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 October 2021 16: 51
      0
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Russia was lucky that in these terrible moments of history a real leader was at the head.
      "Our cause is just, the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours!"

      V. M. Molotov
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 13 October 2021 06: 12
    +13
    the air defense zone was divided into four sectors, along the compass coil.

    Not on the "coil", but on the "card". hi
  • north 2
    north 2 13 October 2021 06: 27
    +12
    I never saw the mass panic declared in the title of the article in the article. And if there were cases, then they were not of a massive nature. So why focus first on two days of so-called panic, if on the second day, as the article says, there was no more panic. this avalanche from a multi-million city. On the other hand, the creation of militia units from the civilian population of Moscow was massive. But the marauders, the predecessors of the Chubai democrats, of course then came to life and began to plunder. And yet, in a panic, a tribe of fake Bolsheviks - leaders, put in their pants, because for not the first week of the front approaching Moscow, they gradually evacuated their families, relatives, etc. in all possible ways. And it is likely that by mid-October they were already itching in full, that it was necessary to evacuate their offices and enterprises with the directors themselves ...
    And of course, Muscovites believed in Stalin, so there was no mass panic. And there is nothing to write about individual cases.
    By the way, take a look at the faces of Muscovites in the photographs in the article. What a beautiful and strong spirit these noble faces are full of. And where are the photos of panicking Muscovites, since we have already started talking about mass panic ...
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov 13 October 2021 08: 48
      +11
      There was a mass panic, just little was written about it. As a very rare case of its description in fiction read "The Living and the Dead." Witnesses will tell the best about it, but they are almost gone. I heard about her in detail in childhood and adolescence from witnesses.
    2. Sergey-1950
      Sergey-1950 13 October 2021 10: 13
      +5
      There was panic. On the Enthusiasts highway, people walked in a column like on May Day. Hundreds of thousands of residents left Moscow. They left / left until October 15-16, but these days there was a peak of the exodus. I must say that they did not interfere with the outcome, and even tried to help as much as possible. Apparently, by that time the understanding had come that holding someone by force means accumulating protest potential, which is just the most susceptible to panic.
      I knew a man who was studying at that time in Moscow at a construction college. He was then 18 years old. Here is his story.
      "Classes stopped, we sat in the hostel and played cards day and night.
      What will happen to us, will the technical school be evacuated? ... Nothing is known.
      We sit and play. We made blackout blankets on the windows and did not take them off even during the day.
      Suddenly someone comes running and shouts that a nearby sausage factory (apparently a meat processing plant) has opened warehouses and people are dragging sausage and sausages.
      We ran there. So it is - everyone is carrying something in their bags, sacks and backpacks. One man met, who had his hands clasped at the bottom with a lock, and on both hands he had sausage circles strung up to his shoulders.

      We collected sausages, continued to play cards and gorge ourselves on sausages.
      The next day they decided to make another trip, but the gates were closed and a soldier with a rifle and a bayonet was standing next to it.
      On the same day or the next, someone from the technical school came and asked, "Why don't you go to class?"
      Although we came, the building was empty, many doors were open and some documents were lying on the floor ... "
      In the spring of 1942, he graduated from a technical school and was sent ... no, not to the front. And to build the Serov aluminum plant.
    3. your1970
      your1970 13 October 2021 12: 06
      +4
      Quote: north 2
      And where are the photos of panicking Muscovites, since we have already started talking about mass panic ...

      You haven't beguiled the time ????? now you can take a selfie on a corpse ...
      And then for such a photo they could have spanked right there - "for spreading panic and false rumors" (there was even an article in the Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926)
  • nickolai.maliugin
    nickolai.maliugin 13 October 2021 06: 31
    +13
    Those who were born immediately after the war or ten years later keep it all in their hearts, listening to the stories of living witnesses of the war events. And someone needs imitation. Recently I listened to two smart people about how to revive the national policy of Stalin. And to revive the self-respect of the Russian people. Everything is not easy here. That political system was a fierce opponent of the system in which we live. The main thing in their conversation was Stalin's gratitude to the Russian people. I think the leader expressed this gratitude to all nationalities who speak Russian, because for the enemy it did not matter who fiercely fought against him. Chuvash, Mordvin or Russian. Health to all.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 13 October 2021 13: 02
      +2
      The Soviet people won the war as a united force. And the enemy underestimated it. And now again we need a national idea uniting people. There is simply no critical level of social and economic relations to overcome the crisis. But it will be as always. Society in its development endlessly repeats itself as physical laws.
    2. gsev
      gsev 13 October 2021 14: 00
      0
      Quote: nickolai.maliugin
      Recently I listened to two smart people about how to revive the national policy of Stalin. And to revive the self-respect of the Russian people. Everything is not easy here. That political system was a fierce opponent of the system in which we live.

      From the Stalinist era, apparently only the bad can be revived simply and quickly. Its good features do not lend themselves to revival in modern conditions. In addition, modern propaganda pervertedly represents socialism, communism and the realities of life under the same Stalin. Although we dream of designers working like the Mikulins, Tupolevs and Yakovlevs, and making money like Stalin's collective farmers. However, under Stalin, Mikulin had enough funds and practiced free love with young beauties. Russian Wikipedia mistakenly writes that he left the aviation industry for the medical industry because of his health. But there is a point of view that when Khrushchev began to raise the earnings of collective farmers and reduce them to Mikulin's engineers and designers, this greatly outraged. In his hearts on the proposal to moderate his desires and live a little in accordance with the communist moral norms, he said that if the USSR wants to have normal aviation and win the Cold War for its existence, the communist morality must be changed in accordance with Mikulin's requests. Khrushchev left Mikulin out of work. Mikulin made an apparatus for his friend, a famous writer, to help with asthma attacks. Doctors appreciated the innovative invention and Mikulin was able to get a job in the medical device industry. In addition, the Stakhanov movement was caused by the introduction of direct fair piecework payment. Stakhanov and Busygin were skeptical about the communist worldview.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 13 October 2021 06: 35
    +11
    A documentary idea of ​​what was happening in Moscow is provided by a certificate from the head of the NKVD department in the capital, Mikhail Zhuravlev, dated October 18: “A group of workers from plant No. 219 attacked cars passing along the Entuziastov highway and began to seize things. They dumped six cars into the ravine. In the workers' settlement of the plant there were riots caused by the lack of banknotes for salaries. On October 16, assistant director Rygin, having loaded the car with a large amount of food, tried to leave the plant territory, but was detained and beaten by workers. Five organizers of the riots were arrested. "
    “On October 16, a large number of workers were waiting in the yard of the Tochizmeritel plant, awaiting their wages. Seeing the cars loaded with personal belongings of the workers of the People's Commissariat of the Aviation Industry, the crowd surrounded them and began to take things away. they threatened the Goldberg plant with reprisals. "
    "On October 16, workers at the Mikoyan Moscow Meat Processing Plant sausage plant stole up to 5 tons of products."
    “The director of the Krasnokholmsk plant, Shilov, allowed fifteen workers of the plant to give out three to four meters of Boston material.
    "At the Burevestnik shoe factory, the payment of the severance pay was delayed due to a shortage of banknotes. In this regard, on October 16 at 17 o'clock, the workers demolished the gates and entered the territory."
    "The director of the Rot-Front factory, Buzanov, gave permission to give out cookies and sweets. A fight broke out between the drunken workers."
    "On October 17, the workers of the plant of electrothermal equipment, demanding the payment of wages, armed themselves with hammers and shovels, surrounded the territory of the plant, and did not let anyone out."
    "At Ball Bearing Plant No. 2, workers gathered in large groups and showed intentions to break machine tools."
    "On October 17, at Noginsk plant number 12, a group of workers in the number of one hundred people insistently demanded from the management to dispense 30 tons of alcohol stored in the warehouse. Fearing serious consequences, the director decided to flush the alcohol down the drain. A group of workers from the same plant attacked the responsible workers of the People's Commissariat of Ammunition, who were traveling from Moscow, beat them and looted their things. "
    "On October 17, fifteen hundred workers gathered at the gates of the ZIS automobile plant demanded that they be allowed into the territory and paid wages. The guard guarding the entrance was smashed in the head with a shovel, and two policemen were beaten."
    "On October 16, Nekrasov, a locksmith at a motorcycle factory, stole alcohol from a warehouse and organized a collective drunkenness, during which he called for the extermination of Jews."
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 13 October 2021 07: 45
      +5
      "... called for the extermination of the Jews."
      “Icebergs!” Said Mitrich mockingly. “We can understand this. Ten years have passed since life. All Icebergs, Weisbergs, Aisenbergs, all sorts of Rabinovichs. Pryakhin says it’s right. law. " ("Golden calf").
    2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 14: 23
      +1
      By the way, the film "Battle for Moscow" (USSR, 1985) shows a small fragment of panic in Moscow.
  • gsev
    gsev 13 October 2021 06: 45
    +4
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Thank God the leadership of the USSR made the right decisions on the defense of Moscow and its approaches

    Perhaps the defeat of the Germans near Moscow was ensured by Storchak and his saboteurs, whom he proactively taught to fight tanks. Faced with the tactics of active defense, German intelligence units with a lack of artillery and ammunition were forced to abandon the blitzkrieg. Otherwise, after Vyazma, German mobile units could break through to Moscow before the Podolsk cadets could take up defensive positions.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 09: 18
      +7
      Not Storchak and Sudoplatov with his saboteurs, but hundreds of thousands of Muscovites from the divisions of the people's militia. They then defended the capital. However, Moscow was defended by both the army and the people! I think that even having entered Moscow, the Germans would have gotten involved in such street battles, which they received later in 1942 in Stalingrad. The city would have suffered greatly, of course, if there had been anything left at all. Alas. But, thank God, it didn't come to that!
      1. gsev
        gsev 13 October 2021 14: 06
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Not Storchak and Sudoplatov with his saboteurs,

        However, the Germans were able to completely defeat the many thousands of Western and Bryansk fronts faster than forcing the Soviet command to withdraw Storchak's unit for reorganization.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 13 October 2021 06: 45
    +6
    Marauders and bandits were arrested and shot.
    It is not known how many people were shot. During the raids in the city, over 20 thousand deserters and persons without documents were detained and sent to the army. by the local industry trust of the Kominternovsky district Maslov, director of the shoe factory Khachikyan, director of the food base of the Mosgastronom trust Antonov and his deputy Dementyev.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 14: 25
      0
      There was no other way out. You would have acted in the same way in the place of the city authorities and the city commandant. And don't argue. In this case, the stick has one end.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 13 October 2021 17: 52
        +2
        Why did you decide that I would argue? laughing
  • samosad
    samosad 13 October 2021 07: 57
    +8
    In the 80s, I watched an interview with either a pilot or someone from the Air Force command. I told such a story, I don't know the truth or not ...
    In another strong air raid, Stalin asked to tell the pilots that he was working in his office, because he knew that they would not allow the Germans to the Kremlin.
    There he was, or in the bunker, of course, no one knew. But the pilots, having learned that he works in the Kremlin, fought to the last. Here is such a bike, or a reality ...
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 09: 11
      +4
      Pilots can come up with anything ... My first father-in-law was a pilot; So he told me during my short married life (three years) with his daughter so much about encounters with UFOs and aliens, and about their escort by Americans over Norway, and about flights over China in the 1970s ... Especially after the first bottle of vodka. I did not open the second one, because I knew that my father-in-law would drink easily, but then I would have problems with my mother-in-law!
      1. Sergey-1950
        Sergey-1950 13 October 2021 10: 27
        +3
        During the defense of Moscow, the pilots were ready to sacrifice their lives only for the German bomber to drop its cargo on a vacant lot, or at least not in the center of the capital. And in general, Muscovites were seized by the idea of ​​defending Moscow at all costs. Without this, it was not possible to create 12 divisions of the people's militia. After regular conscription in June, this is 3/4 of the remaining male population. But communist battalions, special-purpose battalions of the NKVD were also formed.
    2. gsev
      gsev 13 October 2021 14: 16
      0
      Quote: samosad
      In the 80s, I watched an interview with either a pilot or someone from the Air Force command. I told such a story, I don't know the truth or not ...
      In another strong air raid, Stalin asked to convey to the pilots,

      This is in the memoirs of Golovanov and the Stalinist People's Commissar of the aviation industry Shchakhurin. In the conditions of a rigid vertical, the leaders are often in the dark about the state of affairs on the ground. Grizodubova accomplished a civil feat by prompting her superiors to report to Stalin that panic had begun in Moscow. Before that, the air reconnaissance officers who dared to report to their superiors that the German tanks were going to Yukhnov for two days wondered whether they would be shot on Beria's orders as messengers who brought uncomfortable news.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 13 October 2021 08: 03
    +6
    It should be noted that a big role in the Moscow panic on October 15-16, 1941 was played not by enemy agents, but by word of mouth. Panic began to spread among middle managers.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 10: 37
      +3
      And one day in the history of the Moscow metro, when it did not work - it was October 16, 1941.
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 13 October 2021 13: 59
      +1
      Impenetrable fortresses are taken from the inside. Therefore, spreading rumors is one of the methods of disorganizing society.
  • NSV
    NSV 13 October 2021 08: 28
    +5
    But now, the Kremlin can only comment !!!! How Peskov comments on the rise in food prices !!!
  • depressant
    depressant 13 October 2021 08: 59
    +8
    Stalin himself decided to stay in Moscow.

    Glory to the great Stalin!
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 13 October 2021 10: 43
      +2
      The leader then made the correct, strong, bold and wise decision. However, he had no other option.
      In April-May 1945, I am sure that Hitler had similar thoughts, but he had no chance of defending his Berlin. There was no need to start a war! Or ... the war had to be won. But we will not discuss Hitler's adventurism. The wisdom of the great Stalin is evident.
    2. Petrik66
      Petrik66 13 October 2021 13: 51
      +1
      I'll go and drink whiskey for such a person.
  • Forcecom
    Forcecom 13 October 2021 08: 59
    +4
    the air defense zone was divided into four sectors, each reel compass

    I bring to the attention of the author that the grandmother has the coils in the sewing machine, and the compass has a jacket, an anchor from the TARKR to a certain place am
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 October 2021 11: 37
    +1
    We won only because we had only one party in power, the CPSU! If the USSR had a multi-party system, there would not have been!
  • depressant
    depressant 13 October 2021 11: 52
    0
    Shcherbakov ...
    This was a man whom Stalin trusted as himself. He could become Stalin's successor. But...
    At the end of October, the commander of the troops of the Moscow Military District and the Moscow Air Defense Zone reported to A. Shcherbakov in the building of the Central Committee of the Party. During the report, the Germans attacked the building, a massive fire started. Shcherbakov was wounded.

    What do they say about shell shock?
    In most situations, having earned a concussion, a person immediately loses consciousness. In this state, the body can spend from several minutes to several days. Most often, a concussion is accompanied by a blow to the brain, damage to the lungs, and also to the organs of hearing. The organs of the abdominal cavity are damaged somewhat less often. Even less often, kidneys and genitals are damaged. All this is accompanied by impaired hearing and speech. A person may also partially or completely lose sight.

    My father said that in many cases, a concussion remains with a person for life - he experiences pain! And in order to overcome the state, especially if you work 24 hours a day, as Sherbakov often had to do, people begin to consume excessive amounts of sirt.
    Colonel General Shcherbakov died on the night of May 9-10, 1945.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 13 October 2021 19: 41
      0
      Quote: depressant
      he is in pain! And to overcome the state

      I think the reason for his alcoholism is clearly not in the piece of plaster that flew into his head.
      1. depressant
        depressant 13 October 2021 20: 03
        0
        We can agree with you, colleague. Or maybe all together.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 13 October 2021 12: 41
    +4
    Red Army theater

    The plan looked like an ideal five-pointed star

    and, along with the Kremlin, served as an excellent reference point for German pilots.
    By the way, the famous air ram was carried out right on it. ml. Lieutenant Viktor Talalikhin.
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 13 October 2021 13: 50
      +3
      I also heard about it (battering ram). Could you give more information, otherwise one "expert" ridiculed me, he says, right above the mausoleum ...
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 13 October 2021 13: 59
        +2
        Information here diverges, somewhere they write that he shot down with a ram in the near Moscow region, they write that he generally shot down four more planes in different regions, not counting the ram, so I think it is simply impossible to say for sure. But over the mausoleum, no one ever knocked anyone down, only Rust landed once.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 13 October 2021 16: 30
      +3
      Hello my friend!
      Biryulyovo Monument to our pilots who died at this place on the night of October 11-12, 1941.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 13 October 2021 16: 32
        +2
        Hello Seryozha! smile
        I didn't even know about this monument.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 13 October 2021 16: 48
          +2
          These are the pilots of the crew of the 177th Air Defense Regiment, at the time of their death the guys were 22-23 years old!
      2. Petrik66
        Petrik66 13 October 2021 16: 50
        0
        This is for you guys.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 13 October 2021 19: 23
          +1
          A little more about this monument. Names of pilots.

          According to some reports, the plane was SB.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 13 October 2021 13: 00
    +3
    Special charges were placed under the most important buildings.

    Moreover, after the bookmark, some of them were simply forgotten. For example, in 2005, during the dismantling of the basement of the Moskva hotel, boxes with 20 kg TNT sticks with a total explosive mass of more than a ton were discovered.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 13 October 2021 13: 31
      +1
      Where does this information come from, Andrei? At Mosproekt I had acquaintances in good positions, I would know.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 13 October 2021 17: 11
        +1
        From * Russian newspaper *.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 13 October 2021 17: 15
          +1
          Quote: Phil77
          From * Russian newspaper *.

          Synchronously. smile
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 13 October 2021 18: 06
            0
            Yours is more detailed. The end of the working day, so I’m short. hi
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 13 October 2021 17: 17
          0
          Very nice. One "consolation" is that everything is in the center, a surprise for the top and the nouveau riche.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 13 October 2021 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Where does this information come from, Andrei? At Mosproekt I had acquaintances in good positions, I would know.

        From the official publication of the Government of the Russian Federation - "Rossiyskaya Gazeta".
        Builders found TNT in the old foundation

        The militia and rescuers immediately became aware of the find. The construction site on "Okhotny Ryad" was soon cordoned off to the great displeasure of those walking. All operational services of the capital worked on the spot.

        The explosives packaged in twenty kilograms were stored in boxes, which were walled up in the lower base of the hotel's foundation. At the time of signing the issue, "RG" was informed that it was too early to name the exact weight of the recovered explosives. But by the evening more than a ton of TNT had already been obtained. However, the rescuers were still working, taking out more and more boxes from the pit.

        © Explosives near "Moscow". 11.07.2005.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 13 October 2021 13: 49
    0
    It's simple, there are always people ready to fight and die, and there are those who want to survive. SURVIVE at any cost - by flight, betrayal. And there is also an outright bastard, then in 91 she wore crimson jackets and gold chains. The standard ratio is 15 - 70-15. at any power, at any time. Power fell down at the expense of the nomenclature scum, which ran away along the Enthusiasts highway in cars. They burned party tickets. You can imagine what will happen now, in Europe, if ISIS jeeps arrive))))))))
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 13 October 2021 13: 54
      +1
      You can imagine what will happen now, in Europe, if ISIS jeeps arrive))))))))

      Everyone will run to circumcise en masse. laughing
      1. Petrik66
        Petrik66 13 October 2021 13: 54
        +1
        or change gender
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 13 October 2021 14: 09
          +1
          or change gender

          Will not help. laughing
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 13 October 2021 14: 30
    0
    Subsequently on the personal instructions of Stalin in order to improve the control system of fighter aircraft, the air defense zone was divided into four sectors

    what a comprehensively gifted man - and in air defense he knew everything better than anyone!

    The Soviet press was in no hurry to report this, or did so sparingly. In a big war, this was reasonable.

    This "rationality" and the absence of even minimal information led to the most incredible rumors and panic, incl. October 16, the author himself writes that
    At this time there were rumors that the front had been broken, Stalin and the government had fled from Moscow. The bosses at some enterprises and officials began to load families and goods into vehicles and left the capital. Black paper ash and so on flew everywhere
    ..

    Therefore, the Soviet media were tightly controlled, the messages were short, dry, the press remained calm during the worst moments of the war

    they were deceitful. But did the hero people, who stood to death, deserve to listen a in November 1941:
    Judging by ne according to the boastful statements of German propagandists, but according to the actual situation Germany, it will not be difficult to understand that the German fascist invaders are facing disaster. Hunger and impoverishment reign in Germany now, in 4 months of war Germany lost 4 and a half million soldiers, Germany is bleeding to death, its human reserves are drying up, the spirit of indignation takes possession not only of the peoples of Europe, who fell under the yoke of the German invaders, but also the German people themselves
    ?
    No, he deserves RESPECT and TRUST, not a lie

    Stalin ordered the normal operation of enterprises, transport and shops. As a result, the iron will and mind of Stalin and his people's commissars won

    and the enterprises, the metro stopped working, there was a panic, but in general the Nazis found themselves near Moscow under some other commander?

    Moscow survived thanks to the iron will and massive heroism of the Russian people in the defense of its Russian capital, in the first place.
    1. Seamaster
      Seamaster 13 October 2021 19: 24
      0
      As Vysotsky sang: "Will by will, if there is a lot of strength ...". Where was the will of the Russian people at Kalka, when the princes got over the fight, and the steppe dwellers were driving the Russian soldiers with whips? Where was the will of the Russian people in 1237-1240, when the Tatars passed through Russia like a knife through butter for the same reason? Where was the will of the Russian people in the Time of Troubles, when not only Poles, but also punks from Zaporozhye were panumed in Moscow? Where was the will of the Russian people when the Crimeans were paid tribute to Catherine II? Where was the will of the Russian people when the Japanese in Manchuria chased them with rags with rags in 2-1904? WITHOUT A LEADER and the elite created by him, any mass is a herd of sheep.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 14 October 2021 09: 52
        -1
        Quote: Seamaster
        As Vysotsky sang: "Will by will, if there is a lot of strength ...". Where was the will of the Russian people at Kalka, when the princes got over the fight, and the steppe dwellers were driving the Russian soldiers with whips? Where was the will of the Russian people in 1237-1240, when the Tatars passed through Russia like a knife through butter for the same reason? Where was the will of the Russian people in the Time of Troubles, when not only the Poles, but also the punks from Zaporozhye, panued in Moscow? Where was the will of the Russian people when the Crimeans were paid tribute to Catherine II? Where was the will of the Russian people when the Japanese in Manchuria chased them with rags with rags in 2-1904? WITHOUT A LEADER and the elite created by him, any mass - flock of sheep.
        Stop with the "iron" will of the leader at least one ram, yes.
  • Grossvater
    Grossvater 13 October 2021 14: 55
    +1
    Recently, it has become customary to argue that the fall of Moscow did not mean the loss of the war. They say there was still a lot of space.
    No! The fall of Moscow meant the militarily loss of the entire territory up to the Urals. Simply by virtue of the configuration of the message paths.
    Therefore, the victory near Moscow is not the beginning of a radical change. This is the very turning point in the course of the war!
    And yes! Joseph Vissarionovich behaved very wisely and very bravely in this situation!
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 13 October 2021 17: 28
    +1
    I drew attention, like the author, to the "variegation" of the rifles among the militias. In the First World War, hundreds of thousands of trophies and imported allies accumulated. They lay for 20 years - and ... they came in handy!

    So probably now, somewhere in the warehouses, there are hundreds of thousands of revolvers and PPShs.
    1. Seamaster
      Seamaster 13 October 2021 19: 29
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      But in 1914, our representatives roamed around the world, purchasing rifles of ANY system and ANY safety. In Japan, Mexico, USA .... For example, the Northern Front was gradually transferred to "Arisaki". By the way, our trophy three-rulers, captured by the Japanese in 1904-05, were also purchased in Japan. True, the sights had to be altered for a new cartridge.
  • Sergei Khukharev
    Sergei Khukharev 13 October 2021 22: 26
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    Muscovites with their courage and perseverance have proved superiority over the super race. Not everyone succumbed to panic during the evacuation of important defense plants from Moscow, ministries, departments and other government services, but robbers, grabbers, lovers of easy money and the Abwehr zaslanets crawled out of the cracks. They tried to create chaos, fear and panic. But look at the photos of those years and you will see the serious, confident faces of young Muscovites who do not doubt their Victory. And so it happened.
  • Glagol1
    Glagol1 14 October 2021 17: 57
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    In the photo, not 76,2 mm, but 85 mm pushing, 52-K. Who also counts?
  • pomor23
    pomor23 14 October 2021 19: 06
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    You look at these photos and you understand how alarming, scary and creepy it was ... But, no matter what, we survived and won! Eternal glory to the heroes, eternal glory and memory to our ancestors, eternal memory to all those who died for the Motherland! .....
  • B1 Lanser
    B1 Lanser 14 October 2021 20: 03
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    The motorized SS division Das Reich also attacked in the Moscow direction! Battle at the Borodino field! Commander Paul Hausser!
    And two years later, in the summer of 1943, the Das Reich division will attack during Operation Citadel as part of the SS 2 Panzer Corps!
  • B1 Lanser
    B1 Lanser 14 October 2021 20: 11
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    The motorized SS division Das Reich also attacked in the Moscow direction! Battle at the Borodino field! Commander Paul Hausser!
    And two years later, in the summer of 1943, the Das Reich division will attack during Operation Citadel as part of the SS 2 Panzer Corps!
    1. Illanatol
      Illanatol 16 October 2021 14: 22
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      "He shouted on the radio that he was in Stalingrad, like he was in a parade, and he was eating lard ..."
      How did his fighting career end, please?
  • Anton232
    Anton232 16 October 2021 19: 14
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    Thanks. Interesting. These facts are especially striking in comparison with Holland and France (links at the beginning of the article).
  • Constanty
    Constanty 17 October 2021 21: 02
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    The Germans tried to do with Moscow what they did in Warsaw, Oslo, Brussels, Rotterdam and Paris (Psychological war. How the Germans stormed the "fortress of Holland"; France's nightmare. Why the French surrendered so easily to Hitler).

    In the summer of 1941, the Nazis had vast experience in inciting panic in big cities, in enemy capitals.


    The author (out of habit) is engaged in propaganda, demagoguery and even lies.
    Warsaw did not succumb to panic and surrender, like the other indicated capitals. The battles for Warsaw lasted from 8 to 28 September. There was no panic. Moreover:
    On September 17, after the Soviet aggression against Poland, Adolf Hitler, who was near Warsaw, gave a personal order to fire at the Royal Castle in order to force the capital of Poland to capitulate. The surrender of Warsaw was an agreed German-Soviet condition for dividing the territory of the Polish state between the Third Reich and the USSR. As a consequence, the German army undertook an escalation of actions (contrary to the 4th Hague Convention) directed against the civilian population of Warsaw and aimed at forcing the city to surrender as soon as possible.
  • zenion
    zenion 23 October 2021 18: 04
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    There was also a command that a part of the population who were not employed anywhere was sent to Central Asia. There will be no unnecessary mouths and victims. All those leaving were asked to squeeze the keys to the apartments in the housing office. Factories were also sent to the east. Many Moscow factories were sent to Sverdlovsk. He worked at such a plant.