Attack drone "Okhotnik" will receive a flat engine nozzle

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The Russian attack drone "Okhotnik" will receive a flat nozzle that can significantly reduce the visibility of the device for missiles. This was stated by Sergey Kuzmin, Deputy General Designer of the Motor Design Bureau of PJSC UEC UMPO.

Speaking on the air of the Zvezda TV channel, Kuzmin explained that a flat nozzle dissipates a jet stream, and its design feature is that its internal parts cover the hot parts of the engine. According to him, the rocket simply does not see hot elements, in particular the engine blades, especially since most of the nozzle is hidden under the fuselage. drone.



The deputy chief designer emphasized that the nozzle is manufactured using 3D printing, which can significantly reduce the time and money for its production. The second prototype of the Okhotnik, which is now being built in Novosibirsk (at the V.P. Chkalov aircraft plant), will have a flat nozzle engine, he added.

Not a single Russian fighter jet now has such a nozzle. But this is a global trend, at the end of the XNUMXth century, all combat fighters are made with flat nozzles.

- said Kuzmin.

The fact that the second "Okhotnik" will be structurally different from the first sample was reported back this spring. In particular, it was noted that the second machine will differ from the experimental first version in the first place in that it is a pre-production machine, created taking into account the tests of the first model of the "Hunter".

Earlier it was reported that the strike UAV "Okhotnik" may eventually acquire a flat nozzle. However, information about the introduction of such technology has appeared only now.
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    1. -18
      10 October 2021 17: 30
      The deputy chief designer emphasized that the nozzle is manufactured using 3D printing, which can significantly reduce the time and money for its production.

      Oops. And exactly the Deputy Chief Designer said this because this is complete crap. Or is it fashionable to say so?
      1. +16
        10 October 2021 17: 33
        Of course he is, for this is an advanced technology, ideally suited for non-mass production. In rocketry, in almost all new Western projects, 3D printing is used for the production of engines and nozzles as well as other structures and assemblies. Also, this seal is used for the production of aircraft parts directly at the place of their repair.
        Who cares about the issues themselves:


        I recommend watching at a speed of 1.5
        1. -12
          10 October 2021 17: 39
          You do it with or without sarcasm. Casing to print or other non-high temperature components I understand this. Namely, high-temperature ones are beyond my understanding. Well, the Chinese would have outstripped Us by a couple of decades long ago, but they still use unpublished Russian
          1. +12
            10 October 2021 20: 31
            Quote: Tusv
            Casing to print or other non-high temperature components I understand this. Namely, high temperature is beyond my understanding

            are typing.

            The Institute of Laser and Welding Technologies (ILiST) is plowing in this field.
            method of direct supply of laser energy and consumable powder (a type of DED technology): the combustion chamber is made of copper, and the nozzle is made of iron-nickel superalloy, resistant to atomic hydrogen, characterized by a decrease in the ductility of contacting steels and alloys.
            https://ad-ma.ru/ded/
            2018 PJSC Kuznetsov will begin trial operation of a domestic 3D printer for printing with metals and alloys in June this year. The venture plans to produce 3D printed aircraft engine parts.


            Quote: Tusv
            That is, the Chinese would have outstripped Us by a couple of decades long ago

            - material
            -3D model in digital
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Also, this seal is used for the production of aircraft parts directly at the place of their repair.

            well this nonsense of course. Carry a precision 3D laser printer around the DOPs, turn it over, unload it and exhibit it in an oily workshop of an air unit ...
            Typically, the laser sputtering head is mounted on an industrial robotic arm, allowing large-sized products to be grown.

            1. 0
              12 October 2021 19: 30
              An industrial robotic arm, on the one hand, is very inexpensive (on a scale of industrial production), on the other hand, it cannot achieve high accuracy.
        2. +7
          10 October 2021 20: 39
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          In rocketry, in almost all new Western projects, 3D printing is used for the production of engines and nozzles as well as other structures and assemblies.

          not at all
          2020 NASA: 3D Printed Rocket Engine Components Withstand 23 Fire Test
          Relativity Space "prints" rockets on a 3D printer (Stargate 3D printer): while Terran 1 has passed ground tests

          AEON-passed over two hundred fire tests. The engine operates on an open circuit with a phase change. A pair of "liquid methane - liquid oxygen" is used as a fuel. Its thrust is 8,8 tons, and the specific impulse is more than 360 seconds (in the modification for work in vacuum).

          Rockets Labs?
          But that's not all, and the cravings are still ... so-so
        3. +3
          10 October 2021 23: 53
          After watching these films about the S-70, people should finally understand that advanced technologies do not come from the bay. The creation of a powerful unmanned platform requires the introduction of a number of new technologies, their development, etc. It is always time and money, which is often lacking.
          1. -4
            11 October 2021 00: 09
            Quote: sportline
            The creation of a powerful unmanned platform requires the introduction of a number of new technologies, their development, etc.

            These technologies are the most important in this project. By itself, the S-70 is useless for the RF Armed Forces. Technologies created and tested on it will be useful in other projects.
      2. +8
        10 October 2021 17: 39
        What's the crap, or are you unfamiliar with modern technologies? Here's another interesting piece of news regarding 3D printers.

        The Russian aerosol 3D printer will make it possible to create electronic boards on plastic surfaces of any shape using a directed flow of nanoparticles. As a result, solar panels can be printed directly on the roofs of cars, and elements of mobile phones, such as receiving and transmitting antennas, will begin to be built into their bodies, reducing the size of the devices. The new technology can also be used to create a conductive base for flexible screens, which will make them more economical. An experimental prototype of the printer has already been created, and its industrial version may appear in the coming years.

        In contrast to traditional methods for the formation of electronic products, which involve the use of a larger number of technological operations with the removal of a significant part of the materials, the developed equipment and technology imply the rapid manufacture of products by the method of layer-by-layer deposition of material in the form of nanoparticles with its subsequent monolithization using local laser sintering of nanoparticles on a substrate.

        The use of “dry” chemically pure nanoparticles 2–20 nm in size is also new. They are obtained in a pulse-periodic gas discharge. The use of “dry” chemically pure nanoparticles 2–20 nm in size due to the size effect makes it possible to carry out the process of local laser sintering at low temperatures and, thus, to form fundamentally new electronic 3D devices on thermosensitive flexible polymer substrates.


        .Aleksey Efimov, Leading Researcher at the Laboratory of 3D Printing Technologies for Functional Microstructures at the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, commented: “The uniqueness of the technology we have developed for aerosol 3D printing with flows of nanoparticles with local laser sintering lies in the combination of high resolution up to 25 μm, high mass productivity up to 300 mg / h and low cost of forming functional 3D-microstructures, which will determine the further growth of its popularity. "

        In comparison with the existing approaches for the additive manufacturing of microstructures, which involve the use of printing equipment and nano-ink as sources of nanoparticles, the developed technology of aerosol 3D printing with laser-assisted nanoparticles has a number of advantages. It provides higher values ​​of electrical conductivity and mechanical strength of microstructures, since “dry” chemically pure nanoparticles obtained in a pulse-periodic gas discharge do not contain solvent and surfactant residues on the surface. An important advantage is the reduction in the number of stages in the production of functional microstructures, since it is not required to prepare nano-ink and then dry it before laser sintering. The production, local delivery and local laser sintering of nanoparticles are carried out simultaneously. Users have the ability to flexibly vary the types of materials (metals, semiconductors and dielectrics), size, shape and packing density of nanoparticles by changing the material of the electrodes and modes of obtaining nanoparticles in a pulse-periodic gas discharge.


        The developed technology and equipment can be used for the production of a wide range of functional micro-sized components and products for electronics, photonics, alternative energy, medical and aerospace technology. In particular, for the manufacture of microantennas, spatial 3D interconnections, microheaters, active (transistor, diode) and passive (resistor, capacitor) electronic components, light-emitting devices (flexible displays, OLED cells), solar cells and various sensors: gas , bio-, temperature and others.

        http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/143705/
        1. -15
          10 October 2021 17: 42
          Non-metallic three-te printers are at the level and even ahead of the West. But still we are lagging behind in metal
          1. +7
            10 October 2021 17: 47
            Quote: Tusv
            Non-metallic three-te printers are at the level and even ahead of the West. But still we are lagging behind in metal


            Or maybe we are not lagging behind. Who knows.
            .MOSCOW, October 10. / TASS /. The flat nozzle of the S-70 Okhotnik drone, grown on a 3D printer, will reduce its visibility to missiles. This was announced on Sunday on the Zvezda TV channel by Sergey Kuzmin, Deputy General Designer of the Motor Design Bureau, UEC UMPO PJSC.

            "We effectively diffuse it [the jet stream from the nozzle] and, most importantly, by constructive measures in the inner part of the nozzle, we cover the hot parts of the engine with cold elements. The rocket will not see the hot blades of the engine," Kuzmin said.

            In addition, he said, most of the nozzle is hidden under the fuselage of the aircraft, which also reduces the visibility of missiles.

            "The nozzle is made using additive technologies [printing on a 3D printer], which allows us to greatly reduce the time and money for manufacturing and preparation of production," said the deputy general designer.

            According to him, the second version of the Okhotnik will have an engine with a new, namely flat nozzle. "Not a single Russian fighter jet now has such a nozzle. But this is a global trend, at the end of the XNUMXth century, all combat fighters are made with flat nozzles," he stressed.

            https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12623143
            1. -10
              10 October 2021 17: 53
              Quote: OrangeBigg
              Or maybe we are not lagging behind. Who knows.

              Well, tady, as a familiar American president said, you know less - for a second term
              1. +8
                10 October 2021 18: 01
                They took the drones seriously.
                .Russian designers have successfully developed a unique unmanned aerial vehicle for long-range radar detection and control (AWACS), which is capable of flying over long distances, performing the functions of a full-fledged AWACS aircraft. The data on this subject were announced by Nikolay Dolzhenkov, the general designer of the Kronstadt company.

                “This is not only a reconnaissance apparatus and not so much a reconnaissance apparatus, this is a fundamentally new direction for our country in the development of large-size unmanned systems, this is a radar surveillance and guidance aircraft, an analogue of the A-50 and promising aircraft in this direction. This is an opportunity to provide radar coverage in a given area and detect everything in the airspace, including low-flying targets in order to notify the air defense system in time about the violation of our borders, for example, "said Nikolay Dolzhenkov, General Designer of the Kronshtadt company, on the air of the TV channel. "Star".

                In fact, this is a unique development. Moreover, it is very important that the enemy's air defense means will not be able to track this drone due to the small size of the drone, and also, probably, due to the use of "stealth" technologies.

                https://avia.pro/news/v-rossii-razrabotan-bespilotnyy-letatelnyy-apparat-drloiu
                1. +1
                  10 October 2021 19: 55
                  avia.pro

                  Left site. request
                  1. +7
                    10 October 2021 20: 52
                    Quote: Alex777
                    avia.pro

                    Left site. request


                    The same news, but on a different site.
                    ... MOSCOW, October 10. / TASS /. An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) capable of performing the functions of a long-range radar detection and control aircraft (AWACS) was developed in Russia. This was announced on Sunday on the Zvezda TV channel by the general designer of Kronstadt, Nikolai Dolzhenkov.

                    "But this is not only a reconnaissance apparatus and not so much a reconnaissance apparatus, this is a fundamentally new direction for our country in the development of large-size unmanned systems, this is a radar surveillance and guidance aircraft. An analogue of the A-50 and promising aircraft in this direction," Dolzhenkov said ...

                    According to him, the new UAV is capable of providing radar coverage in any area. "This is an opportunity to provide radar coverage in a given area and detect everything in the airspace, including low-flying targets, in order to notify the air defense system in time about a violation of our borders, for example," said the general designer of Kronstadt.

                    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/12622591
                    1. +3
                      10 October 2021 21: 16
                      Quote: OrangeBigg
                      tass.ru

                      This is another matter. drinks
                      I read on avia.pro that the war between Iran and Azerbaijan began.
                      So now I am wary.
                      As for AWACS on UAVs, this is a very interesting topic. Hopefully we can develop it. hi
                    2. +1
                      11 October 2021 11: 54
                      See what they write:
                      The mysterious collision of the American submarine "USS Connecticut" 35 kilometers from the Paracel Islands turned out to be critical for the nuclear submarine. According to a number of sources, the blow with a mysterious object was so strong that half of the bow of an American nuclear submarine was blown off - probably for this reason the submarine had to rise to the surface.

                      “This is definitely not another submarine, since in that case both submarines would receive critical damage. There is a possibility that the American submarine could collide with a large unmanned underwater vehicle, which are in service with the PRC and control the region of the Paracel Islands, ”the source notes.
                      Read more on: https://avia.pro/news/u-amerikanskoy-podvodnoy-lodki-ot-zagadochnogo-stolknoveniya-sneslo-polovinu-nosovoy-chasti

                      Fine? wink
                      Here's another link that explains a lot:
                      https://avia.pro/kontakty
                  2. +2
                    10 October 2021 21: 39
                    but the layout of the UAV Helios-RLD is
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                    2. -2
                      11 October 2021 19: 24
                      Quote: Barberry25
                      but the layout of the UAV Helios-RLD is

                      Turboprop? ... Well, here at least you can spin the dynamo through the power take-off shaft ... but the canvas is small, therefore, the range will not be a record one. but it's still better than nothing.
                      Only so far neither the glider nor the radar have taken off.
                      And "Squirrels" for the Su-57 ... no.
                      Projects are good, but I want results.
                      In the results ... Il-112, and the Su-57 in a single copy, for almost 3 years in service.
                      1. 0
                        11 October 2021 19: 47
                        and in Sukhoi, do they know that their plane is not ready? By the way, if there is no "Squirrel", although they showed a sample back in 2009 .. what does the Su-57 fly with? I will remind you about the Iskander and the S-400, but how they went to the troops, everyone pretended that "well, they did not create anything like that, but when the S-500 goes to the troops, then we'll talk."
                        1. -2
                          11 October 2021 22: 12
                          Quote: Barberry25
                          and in Sukhoi they know that they have no combat readiness? By the way, if there is no "Squirrel", although they showed a sample back in 2009 .. what is the Su-57 flying with?

                          To be honest, I don’t know what the Su-57 flies with, but I know that they were talking in all seriousness that the first batch should be produced with the Irbis and offered for export in this form. A couple of years ago, this was expressed quite openly.
                          Or do you think that if the "Squirrel" was ready, it would not be blown about it from every iron? After all, this is the main feature of this pepelatsa - an all-aspect "multi-way" BRLK! This is much more important than engines (which, in principle and in their present form, are quite sufficient), "stealth" (because high-level stealth excludes supersonic cruising and generally a long supersonic flight - paint will peel off) and even maneuverable characteristics. For such a fighter will be seen with a 360 degree view. and therefore fire and direct missiles at the enemy from any angle ... But that's just SILENT.
                          All songs and odes of praise ... to the glider and future engines. lol
                          But the enemy boasts just AFAR radar and avionics.
                          And if the "Belka" was ready, then REALLY a piece of such a radar would be a pity for the MiG-35 radar? They have been promising AFAR for the MiG-35 for 10 years, but what is not there is NOT. And it may not be ... the MiG-35 will not live up to the promised radar and will not be needed by anyone.
                          In general, our first AFAR was created only for the S-500. A good radar has turned out, all the S-400 divisions are now transferring to it. And that's really worth celebrating for.

                          Or do you think in the Aerospace Forces to this day ONE only Su-57 is in service ... why? Why are they in no hurry to saturate the troops? Why are they not rushing the manufacturer?
                          Because there is nothing to rush them. In its present form, such a pepelats is not needed.

                          But progress in this matter is also possible, there are hopes that the correct PPM for AFAR will still begin to be produced. Then there will be reason for pride.
                          So far, there are NO such reasons.
                          And there is a very clear example of the Il-112. This is exactly the level that we have reached.
                        2. 0
                          12 October 2021 08: 49
                          but nothing that Belka and Zhuk are doing different research institutes?
                        3. -1
                          12 October 2021 08: 59
                          And where do they get the element / radio component base from?
                          We have a lot to compose. And you try to do it.
                          Why did A-100 cover itself with a copper basin?
                          It was designed on the basis of an American element base, and then "suddenly" - sanctions.
                          And that’s it. request feel
                          So it is here - until we have our own PPMs capable of withstanding high thermal loads, we will only dream of such radars.
                        4. -1
                          12 October 2021 10: 03
                          in fact, there are only your assumptions based on a couple of comments 3-4 years ago ... yeah, this is an argument)
                        5. -1
                          12 October 2021 12: 47
                          The main argument is that "Belka" has not been boasted or mentioned for 2 - 3 years already.
                          It is necessary to pay attention not only to what the bells are ringing about, but what they are stubbornly silent about.
                        6. 0
                          12 October 2021 12: 50
                          they are also silent on the stealth coating and the filling of the aircraft, but they do not even say about "nothing happened" ... maybe everything is trite, there were problems with the engines, they said about them, but there are no problems with the rest, so they do not pour out of the empty empty?
                        7. -2
                          12 October 2021 17: 22
                          No, they sang praise songs about "Belka" before, they painted how he (Su-57) would see everything around him and how good it was ... And then they stopped talking at once.
                          The desire to put on "Irbis" and not to bother slipped before the silence ... And potential buyers immediately said that without AFAR they would not have such happiness for nothing.
                          So they are silent - they do not boast of shame.
                          But they are not in a hurry to adopt such a \ build - maybe they will bring you and a miracle will happen ... AFAR for "Belka" will be born.
                          And "Squirrel" is not only the presence of active arrays on the antenna canvases, but also their well-coordinated work - software, a display method for easy perception ... and there are also meter-long radars in the leading edges of the wings ...
                          Poghosyan promised a lot ... only with good intentions.
                          One thing is that instead of the almost ready-made 5th generation R179V-300 engine, which had been prepared for all promising Sukhoi (single-engine) aircraft, he got involved in an adventure with the development of the Lyulka KB engine almost from scratch with extremely high performance ... the highest measure of social responsibility should be awarded by the tribunal.
                          At that time, Russia already had an engine with a capacity of 13 \ 000 kg.f.
                          And it was slightly shorter than the AL-41F-1C and weighed 1850 kg.
                          And at the same time had a reserve for further modernization and growth of traction characteristics.
                          They were going to put it on the Su-47 "Berkut".
                          And on the family of single-engine LFMI.

                          Do you really think that we could have created a four-pane radar and ... not be able to make a one-pane small one for the MiG-35?
                          Nobody wants to take the MiG-35 ONLY because of the absence of such an airborne radar!
                          So much effort, work, PR and demonstrations and ... just could not order in the right place?
                          One hope is that it will be possible to create a PPM with the correct crystals and acceptable temperature conditions.
                          For the radar of the S-500 complex - it was possible.
                          Maybe now they will be able to do it for aviation as well.
                        8. -1
                          12 October 2021 17: 43
                          I see no reason to argue in the Jewish style - question to question .. just wait until the drying goes to the troops and then either you are right, or I ..
                        9. -1
                          12 October 2021 17: 44
                          and yes ... Su-47 is wild game that has screwed up a lot of good projects
                        10. -1
                          12 October 2021 18: 21
                          Yes, this is an experienced (plane).
                          And yes - game. Yes
                          But not wild yet.
                          Actually, it was supposed to be a carrier-based (!) Fighter with one (!!) engine of the Lebedev system with a single flat nozzle (the Lebedev engine had to have + two traction fans through two power take-off shafts and a total thrust of under 30 tf. mixing the flow in a single, not even flat, but rather a slotted nozzle ...
                          The correct Su-47 had a very wide flat butt with a slit.
                          In general, if such was created, it would be ... very interesting.
                          But the idea (Lebedev's engine) is good.
                          The Air Force abandoned the Su-47 at the concept stage ... but ... the Navy became interested in it for its new expected Ulyanovsk-class nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.
                          Not fused. request
                          Quote: Barberry25
                          screwed up a lot of good projects

                          When this miracle appeared to the amazed world, it already flogged nothing to anyone.
                          It just flew and delighted the audience with its unusual appearance.
                          And all the same, nothing new was purchased or developed for armament. The 90s and 00s are the time when they were still really able and able, there were people and a lot was relevant ... but it was already impossible.
                2. +1
                  10 October 2021 23: 16
                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  They took the drones seriously.

                  Quote: OrangeBigg
                  Moreover, it is very important that the enemy's air defense means will not be able to track this drone due to the small size of the drone, and also, probably, due to the use of "stealth" technologies.

                  Have you ever wondered HOW you can simultaneously be an aircraft (UAV) AWACS and at the same time ... use "stealth technologies" and hope that they will help ???
                  And how to work with this AWACS device?
                  What communication channels should you use?
                  Via satellite?
                  Through an LA repeater?
                  And if they are not there?
                  For example, will they be shot down?
                  Or suppress channels with interference?
                  Or worse, will they intercept the channels and start giving falsehoods?
                  Control from the AWACS aircraft is much more reliable.
                  1. 0
                    11 October 2021 07: 26
                    Quote: bayard
                    And how to work with this AWACS device?
                    What communication channels should you use?
                    Via satellite?
                    Through an LA repeater?
                    And if they are not there?
                    For example, will they be shot down?
                    Or suppress channels with interference?
                    Or worse, will they intercept the channels and start giving falsehoods?

                    It seems to me that the UAV AWACS will not fly over enemy territory. There, and a conventional AWACS aircraft will be vulnerable.
                    And over our territory there will be ways to protect it from the threats you listed. hi
                    1. -1
                      11 October 2021 19: 06
                      Quote: Alex777
                      It seems to me that the UAV AWACS will not fly over enemy territory. There, and a conventional AWACS aircraft will be vulnerable.

                      In any case, there will always be a threat / possibility of breaking communication channels. And the AWACS is always active and "glows" like a beacon in the night for thousands of kilometers.
                      Of course, they will fly over our territory, but it is much more convenient to control the operation in the air from the side of such an aircraft than from a ground control point from a source of a location signal via a satellite, under the threat of losing communication at any time. The AWACS aircraft have everything in one - this is a means of radar reconnaissance and control, and a command post that makes a decision on combat use, and navigators who direct combat aviation in the air, and communication / data transmission facilities. Minimum delay and maximum reliability of communicating management commands, orders, notifications and target designations.
                      This does not mean that unmanned AWACS are not needed, on the contrary, the future belongs to them, but the place for the air command and control center will always remain.
                      Today we can count AWACS aircraft on our fingers, the A-100 program has been completely failed by Vega. In such conditions, they are trying to prove to us that now the hope is ONLY on AWACS unmanned aerial vehicles fool Who will create all this (I'm not talking about the platform)? Especially in such a modest size? What will be the detection range of these devices, especially for small, inconspicuous low-flying targets? And what will be the effectiveness and efficiency of the response to such threats? What energy will these radars have? What a range (do not forget that we need to see targets made using stealth technology and at the same time give target designation to them ... at least for fighter aircraft.

                      I have little confidence in the ability of existing leaders and remaining competencies to address such issues. As well as there is no confidence in their good intentions.
                      And without airborne weapons, AWACS in modern warfare cannot be counted on for success. Since all the programs for the development of detection, control, target designation and control tools have been so consistently failed ... and in EVERYTHING (PLO, naval reconnaissance, satellite reconnaissance, control and management systems) ... it means that they are not interested in REAL defense capability.
                  2. +1
                    11 October 2021 11: 18
                    And how to work with this AWACS device?
                    Like a regular reconnaissance plane. In the US, RQ-4 and MQ-4 are used instead of TR-1 (U-2) and P-3C, respectively.
                    What communication channels should you use?
                    They themselves answered: Through satellite, Through the LA-repeater. Channels for such tasks are reserved on geostationary satellites. There are also special communication systems, for example, Fleetsatcom has been operating in the USA since the 70s.
                    And if they are not there? For example, will they be shot down?
                    Satellites? This is already a war. And UAVs can conduct reconnaissance from neutral territory or in neutral territory, for example, over the sea. And a shot down UAV is better than a manned reconnaissance aircraft. Remember the IL-20 over Syria?
                    Or suppress channels with interference? Or worse, will they intercept the channels and start giving falsehoods?
                    This option is envisaged. There are usually several channels of intelligence.
                    1. -1
                      11 October 2021 19: 18
                      The question remains - who will create all this miracle. I do not mean that this is something critically complex, but that we simply have no one to do this at a sufficient level.
                      Vega?
                      Famous for the failure to modernize the A-50 fleet and create the A-100?
                      And she failed the modernization of PLO aircraft and helicopters?
                      What will be the energetics of these devices?
                      And consequently, the range of detection by them of specific targets - the newest CD using "stealth technology"? After all, it will not be the Global Hawk that will fly - at least the generator from the free torque of the turbine, and the Altius ... two propellers on diesel engines ...
                      All this looks extremely frivolous ... to the grotesque.
                      1. 0
                        11 October 2021 19: 24
                        Quote: bayard
                        I do not mean that this is something critically complex, but that we simply have no one to do this at a sufficient level.

                        There is someone. Just believe it. Personally familiar. Yes

                        And consequently, the range of detection by them of specific targets - the newest CD using "stealth technology"?

                        Semyon Semyonich ... feel

                        All this looks extremely frivolous ... to the grotesque.

                        When there are not enough normal planes and you are not so hot ... bully
                        1. -2
                          11 October 2021 19: 43
                          Quote: Alex777
                          There is someone. Just believe it. Personally familiar.

                          And where, then, is the long-awaited A-100?
                          A brand new Il-76MD90A has been allocated for it for 5 - 6 years already ... but it still doesn't?
                          There are real facts of failures ... consistent and systemic failures of all AWACS and PLO programs by the monopolist Vega. There are very serious doubts about the readiness of the Belka radar for the Su-57. There is a fact of the inability to create an AFAR radar for the MiG-35, which is why no one wants to buy it, including the Aerospace Forces.
                          This is a systemic crisis.
                          It’s not something to come up with, but you have to DO it. And set up mass production.
                          Already 10 years since then, when the A-100 was considered almost ready, and not born to this day.
                        2. 0
                          11 October 2021 19: 47
                          MOSCOW, April 9 / Radio Sputnik. The Russian airborne early warning aircraft (AWACS) of the new generation A-100 "Premier" according to plans will be supplied to the Aerospace Forces from 2024, RIA Novosti reports, citing a source in the military-industrial complex.
                          The interlocutor of the agency added that the tests of the vessel are going according to the schedule.
                          The A-100 was created on the basis of the Il-76MD-90A aircraft by the cooperation of enterprises of the country's defense-industrial complex.


                          A brand new Il-76MD90A has been allocated for it for 5 - 6 years already ... but it still doesn't?

                          5-6 years ago? Confused nothing?
                        3. -3
                          11 October 2021 21: 53
                          Quote: Alex777
                          5-6 years ago? Confused nothing?

                          No, I do not confuse it, I remember it now, only with the year I can doubt 2015/16 - one of the first "serial" IL-76MD90A with delivery to Taganrog, where they installed a "mushroom" and began to saturate the womb ... And the reasons for the delays I remember - the project was counted on an American radio component base belay and, as always, in such cases, they got into a puddle. feel
                          The start of deliveries in 2024 sounds good, but we shouldn't be late. The enemy will not wait for our rearmament and development in the troops. Rather, there will be a repetition of the experience and the effect of the RYAV 1904-1905. with all the consequences.
                          And why did they stop upgrading the existing A-50 to A-50U? Now even such would be of help, if there were 10 - 15 of them. And there are 5 of them - 6 pieces.
                          There were talks about the desire to make the A-100 no longer on the Il-76MD90A, but on the Tu-214 or even MS-21 glider, they say the equipment has become much lighter, and in the passenger glider it will be more convenient to arrange everything and the conditions for calculation will be better. Well, and of course the savings - the glider is lighter, the plane is cheaper, there are 2 engines instead of 4.
                          But real deeds have not been seen or heard for several years. The silence is deathly.
                          And this aircraft is critical for the country's defense.
                          And after all these failures, the fairy tale about the magic wand - the UAV-DRLO ...
                          Of course, it would be nothing, but there is no faith in the ability, and most importantly, the desire of the authorities to really do something for defense.
                          ... The fighters were built a bit and - that's enough.
                          For parades.
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                      2. 0
                        12 October 2021 13: 24
                        What will be the energy of these devices? And, consequently, the range of detection by them of specific targets - the latest CD using "stealth technology"? "Altius" ... has two diesel propellers ... All this looks extremely frivolous ... to the grotesque.
                        The average radiated power of American aircraft radars ranges from 0,5 to 4 kW (https://avia.mstuca.ru/jour/article/download/109/35). Let the transmitter efficiency be 30 percent. Power RED A03 300 kW. I think there will be 10 kilowatts to power the radar.
                        1. -1
                          12 October 2021 17: 41
                          Quote: vic02
                          I think there will be 10 kilowatts to power the radar.

                          On a drone? Which has no extra volume, no extra carrying capacity, no extra fuel? And this will be minus the range and time of patrolling.
                          But if the engine is turboshaft, then it will be possible to organize power take-off from excess torque.
                        2. 0
                          13 October 2021 09: 19
                          Power take-off can be done from any type of engine. There are no extra resources on any aircraft, everything is decided by calculating these resources - the volume and time of use. And the additional fuel consumption from the operation of the radar and, accordingly, the reduction in flight time, of course, will be, again, a matter of calculation. If the result meets the requirements, great.
          2. +8
            10 October 2021 18: 32
            ARE YOU an expert in this matter? Enlighten how far we are lagging behind, in what components?
            1. -7
              10 October 2021 18: 37
              Not special in this matter. I can say that I have three teh printer and it is Chinese. But the Course on Materials of Construction says that printing high-temperature parts is not possible. Not yet possible
              1. +5
                10 October 2021 18: 39
                a few years ago I watched a program like in Samara, a 3d printer for metal was designed and even printed something, it would be interesting to see what they have achieved to date.
                1. -9
                  10 October 2021 18: 46
                  Quote: sifgame
                  and even printed something

                  Something even in Africa will not be adopted. For rocket technologies, it is necessary to print a crystal structure identical to natural ones. And here we have ordinary bourgeois paper wandering
                  1. +11
                    10 October 2021 20: 28
                    In addition to additive technologies, do you also understand crystallography? Especially pleased with the opus "crystal structure identical to natural"?
                    Can you then recall why you switched from monocrystalline blades to blades produced using additive technologies? Or simply no one knows that this is impossible. You didn't tell them.
                    1. -4
                      10 October 2021 20: 31
                      Here's more about additive technologies. Still not in a tooth with a foot. If not laziness
                      1. +6
                        10 October 2021 20: 32
                        This, in essence, is what you call 3D printing.
                        1. -7
                          10 October 2021 20: 40
                          Once I have 3 de printer is. And you?. The education is the same, what do you rinse my senile mosquito with additive technologies for me? What if he can't stand it? I don’t understand this. Draw on your fingers. Twice two four: or did you add something sacred?
                          Well, no offense, but the word additivity is incomprehensible to me
                        2. +11
                          10 October 2021 21: 03
                          Quote: Tusv
                          Once I have 3 de printer is.

                          Let me tell you one secret - the 3D printer that you have, compared to the one on which the same nozzles and blades for motors are printed, is like a regular screwdriver compared to a CNC lathe ...
                        3. +7
                          10 October 2021 21: 43
                          That is, you do not even understand what it is about, but categorically deny that this is possible? And what to discuss with you? Write nonsense.
                        4. +4
                          10 October 2021 22: 41
                          Even prostheses are already being printed and electrodes for neurostimulators on a 3D printer.
                        5. +5
                          10 October 2021 23: 41
                          Quote: FireLake
                          Even prostheses are already being printed and electrodes for neurostimulators on a 3D printer.

                          Moreover, I will say - there are 3D printers that print simple organs and tissues on a special substrate with living cells (!)!
                        6. 0
                          11 October 2021 23: 30
                          Yes. A 3D printer is a very cool thing.)
            2. 0
              13 October 2021 11: 31
              Enlighten how far we are lagging behind, in what components?
              In chatting about anything we are definitely ahead of the rest of the world, and when it comes to practical things, such as the choice of electronic components, it suddenly turns out that we are not. Let's compare electromagnetic relays: REP-26 and foreign MY2-MY4. We go to the item "Mechanical durability, Mechanical life" and see that the resource is 30 mln. significantly less than 50 million (AC) and 100 million (DC).
              http://ampermetr.ru/NVO/RZ/REP-26/
              https://assets.omron.eu/downloads/datasheet/en/v5/j224_my(s)_miniature_power_relays_datasheet_en.pdf
      3. 0
        10 October 2021 17: 44
        It's fashionable to say that, any crap will pass, because in which case “you misunderstood me.” Although more often than not people themselves do not understand what they are saying. For example, we read above - “get a flat nozzle. However, information on the implementation of such technology. " The nozzle is not a technology, it is a structural element,
        1. +3
          10 October 2021 18: 51
          It's fashionable to say that, any crap will pass, because in which case “you misunderstood me.” Although more often than not people themselves do not understand what they are saying. For example, we read above - “get a flat nozzle. However, information on the implementation of such technology. " The nozzle is not a technology, it is a structural element,
          Probably for stealth on radars, a flat nozzle is good, but in a thermal one, the whole plane is already glowing and a flat nozzle will not play a special role
          1. 0
            11 October 2021 11: 53
            in thermal, the entire plane is already glowing and the flat nozzle will not play a special role
            Very much even plays. Measures to reduce the signature are provided for the entire aircraft as a whole, and not just one nozzle. Thermal insulation is used for the engine as a whole, the flight mode and aerodynamics are selected, among other things, so that there is no heating from the oncoming air. As a result, such an aircraft glows much less than a conventional one.
        2. -2
          10 October 2021 20: 30
          In this case, it is technology. Nobody needs a flat nozzle by itself.
          1. +4
            10 October 2021 20: 52
            Ozhegov - TECHNOLOGY, and, well. A set of production methods and processes in a particular industry of production, as well as a scientific description of production methods
            1. -3
              10 October 2021 21: 40
              You will explore how to create this flat nozzle for the hunter. I think your stubbornness will disappear.
              1. +4
                10 October 2021 22: 34
                Obstinacy ??? God have mercy, where is the obstinacy. We are talking about the primitive, competent use of the Russian language.
      4. +3
        10 October 2021 18: 12
        Quote: Tusv
        And exactly the Deputy Chief Designer said this because this is complete crap

        See "Military Acceptance"
        And about the flat nozzle itself, so two years ago at the exhibition they already showed it on a model of this UAV
        1. -6
          10 October 2021 21: 04
          Quote: svp67
          See "Military Acceptance"

          Sergey. This is not serious for the Guards Semi-Military Radar Operator
      5. +7
        10 October 2021 18: 16
        Powder metallurgy and so on .. No?
      6. +2
        10 October 2021 18: 26
        There was a program in the CCC to actually create (and not modernize) the Su-27 KM One of the chips was two engines with one COMMON flat nozzle. Tests in 1990 showed excellent results.
        They returned to this idea only in connection with the creation of a fighter (and strike UAV) of the 5th generation.
        Materials have appeared that can absorb radiation and at the same time make the nozzle more durable because the load on a flat nozzle is greater than on a circular nozzle.
        And as they say "bosom enemies" -Вetter late than never.

        .
        1. +1
          10 October 2021 18: 42
          Everything would be fine, only not a good year.
      7. SAG
        0
        11 October 2021 02: 11
        Quote: Tusv
        The deputy chief designer emphasized that the nozzle is manufactured using 3D printing, which can significantly reduce the time and money for its production.

        Oops. And exactly the Deputy Chief Designer said this because this is complete crap. Or is it fashionable to say so?

        at the end of the XNUMXth century, all combat fighters are made with flat nozzles

        - said Kuzmin.
        Well, considering also this phrase of his, he uses something that has a strong effect on the psyche! wassat
    2. +11
      10 October 2021 17: 41
      The Russian attack drone "Okhotnik" will receive a flat nozzle that can significantly reduce the visibility of the device for missiles.

      Interesting.
      When, after the first publication of the photo of "Hunter" on the pages of VO, I wrote that he needed a flat nozzle to reduce the thermal signature of the engine, almost two dozen minuses were "pushed" to me, apparently so they expressed disagreement with me, And suddenly it turned out to be right. Nice, ATP. lol
      1. -10
        10 October 2021 17: 47
        Is it in the context of the Su-57 or separately? So everything is simple here. The Hunter's thermal signature saves the Criminal at once, but separately. This is a different operation
      2. +6
        10 October 2021 17: 54
        Quote: K-50
        I have almost two dozen minuses "pushed"

        laughing
      3. +6
        10 October 2021 18: 03
        I have almost two dozen minuses "pushed"
        - well, you are like the first day on the site laughing
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    4. +1
      10 October 2021 17: 43
      What's the news? They talked about it when the Hunter was just preparing for the first flight! negative
      1. +1
        10 October 2021 17: 50
        Quote: Thrifty
        What's the news? They talked about it when the Hunter was just preparing for the first flight! negative

        Another thing is interesting. Now our rotary nozzle acts all-round, and will it be flat only up / down, like in the F-22? We will lose in maneuverability.
        1. +8
          10 October 2021 18: 04
          Where does the mono-wing have super-maneuverability in principle?
        2. +7
          10 October 2021 18: 04
          Quote: Marconi41
          Now our rotary nozzle acts all-round, and will it be flat only up / down, like in the F-22? We will lose in maneuverability.

          No, on the C-70 the nozzle will not be rotatable. The "flying wing" scheme has extremely poor maneuverability, it flies well only straight. So it makes no difference whether the nozzle is rotatable or not.
        3. -8
          10 October 2021 18: 13
          Quote: Marconi41
          Another thing is interesting. Now our rotary nozzle acts all-round, and will it be flat only up / down, like in the F-22? We will lose in maneuverability.

          As a child, I had a toy drawing machine with two wheels in a horizontal and vertical plane. He painted pictures. But this requires not one nozzle, but at least two. And so this razhiser said as if farting into a puddle. American readers will certainly be delighted about the backwardness, but the Pentagon is unlikely. This misinformation will not roll
        4. +5
          10 October 2021 18: 32
          On the "Okhotnik" there was no swivel nozzle and was not planned. It was said about this in the video from "Zvezda". His tasks are different. It shouldn't turn around, like in a frying pan
        5. 0
          10 October 2021 22: 57
          will only be up / down like the F-22? Lose in maneuverability

          UAVs do not need super-maneuverability.
    5. +7
      10 October 2021 18: 21
      Quote: Sergey Valov
      The nozzle is not a technology, it is a structural element

      Probably, it meant that this is a technology for the formation of the necessary parameters of the gas flow leaving the engine.
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      2. +1
        10 October 2021 19: 09
        By the way, I wonder why my comment was deleted?
    6. -13
      10 October 2021 18: 53
      Already tired of this hunter-news and developments from the past.
      The future is not visible.
      Why is the future disastrous for developers and technology?
    7. -1
      10 October 2021 19: 00
      When will the Su-57 receive the flat nozzle? With the engine of the second stage, such a pribluda has not been announced?
      1. +1
        10 October 2021 21: 40
        No, he doesn't need to.
        1. +4
          10 October 2021 23: 35
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          No, he doesn't need to.

          Why are you so ... The feelings of believers have been offended in the face with their feet))) they can't answer anything in shock, they just throw minuses with convulsive fingers)))
          Adherents of a flat nozzle can tell us how it affects the thermal signature at a distance of 150-200 km, and how they can be seen there at all, and how this nozzle will reduce maneuverability in a landfill compared to a conventional all-aspect one, if it comes to this landfill, of course. And if long distances are the priority for the su-57 ..., then again, "what for goat boyan"?
          Shl. Well, the quote from the deputy head is a masterpiece in meaning))): since the end of the 20th century, ALL combat fighters are made with a FLAT nozzle ... Excuse me? The deputy head for what kind of problems, excuse me, for Dipping your reputation in the mud? Well, yes, it’s good, it came out from the heart. When, probably, the very last student knows that the only and unique fighter with a flat nozzle from the end of the 20th century is the F22, and even that has long been out of production. And all aircraft currently produced also have a standard nozzle. And here's what to think about ... Either a person is not at all in the subject of the subject, or well, somehow a belated reaction to trends in aircraft construction for 20+ years.
          1. +3
            11 October 2021 01: 44
            the very last student knows that the only and unique fighter with a flat nozzle from the end of the 20th century is the F22, and even that has long been out of production

            It was not about fighters.
            And there is a flat nozzle on both Ф117 and B2
            The hunter is made according to the flying wing scheme, its analogues with flat nozzles
            Constructor from the transfer of rights. You are not
            1. +1
              11 October 2021 16: 50
              Quote: Tim Werner
              It was not about fighters.

              Let you read the article carefully again. And then somehow tired of communicating with those who read the headlines. And yes, I know where there are still flat nozzles, but for some reason the deputy did not even mention them. I probably forgot.
    8. +4
      10 October 2021 19: 59
      More Hunters - good and different, as well as Thunders, Orions, etc.
    9. 0
      10 October 2021 22: 06
      Slowly. It wouldn’t be fast.
      Maybe you should hurry up with these flying triangles ?!
    10. 0
      11 October 2021 00: 38
      Quote: bayard
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      They took the drones seriously.

      Quote: OrangeBigg
      Moreover, it is very important that the enemy's air defense means will not be able to track this drone due to the small size of the drone, and also, probably, due to the use of "stealth" technologies.

      Have you ever wondered HOW you can simultaneously be an aircraft (UAV) AWACS and at the same time ... use "stealth technologies" and hope that they will help ???
      And how to work with this AWACS device?
      What communication channels should you use?
      Via satellite?
      Through an LA repeater?
      And if they are not there?
      For example, will they be shot down?
      Or suppress channels with interference?
      Or worse, will they intercept the channels and start giving falsehoods?
      Control from the AWACS aircraft is much more reliable.

      Finally, "nevchem" (well, what also took place) is not an expert, but noticed competently, logically! I wanted to put 5+, does the adversary not give? !!!
    11. 0
      11 October 2021 00: 44
      Not a single Russian fighter jet now has such a nozzle. But this is a global trend, at the end of the XNUMXth century, all combat fighters are made with flat nozzles.


      more precisely, this is a western trend, when, in order to increase thermal stealth, they sacrifice the maneuverability of the aircraft, which is unacceptable on manned aircraft. in fact, a "Hunter" with a flat nozzle will not have such elements at all), it is enough to develop its optimal shape only once.
      1. -2
        11 October 2021 09: 15
        Supermaneuverability is not needed; no aircraft can dodge modern missiles.
    12. -2
      11 October 2021 00: 54
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      By itself, the S-70 is useless for the Armed Forces

      And that, as someone used to say: "Russian women still give birth" (pilots).
      With our demography - a decline of 1 population in 500 (two!) Years, sending pilots to the slaughter is the height of stupidity.
      The Americans use their jet drones to fuel airplanes, and have widely used attack UAVs for more than a dozen years. And here, thanks to the types mired in offshores, like Chemezon (formally, all accounts are on the grandmothers and uncles with tribes), we are discussing (!) A flat nozzle of a good, but one-piece jet UAV.
      As long as the ministers' grandchildren and daughter will remain citizens of Israel, as long as the heads of the largest state corporations will withdraw money offshore, we will have it: a piece model + pr company with a talk show about an achievement that has no channel.
      1. 0
        11 October 2021 09: 42
        Just the Hunter can become a "horse" for the Air Force ...... take "bread" from the Su24 and Su 34 .... He has a decent GP and will pull a refueling station.
    13. 0
      11 October 2021 19: 05
      Still, the warts were removed from him, the whole view was spoiled, and there would be a normul.
    14. 0
      13 October 2021 12: 02
      I am surprised by the persistent repetition of "UAVs" super-maneuverability is not needed ... As it seems already now, technical capabilities are outstripping the comprehension of experience. With an increase in the level of requirements for combat AI, more will be squeezed out of the "follower" than "extra hands, which are not a pity." Now maneuverability is limited by a living person who can shut down. The AI ​​will not turn off, it will precisely execute the plan adopted a second ago and so thirty-three times, with the whole flock. Limited by people's ability to understand, accept, and perform actions in concert. The ability not to lose the ability to make decisions is limited. The ability to match the technical capabilities of the pipilac is limited (in other words). Modern air combat is anthropocentric.
      Inevitably, for the "extra hands" will come "extra abilities" and "extra opportunities". Ability to blind sensors and limit AI awareness (disrupting the continuity of interpretation, for example); to form fronts of threats and influence the priorities of decisions; separation / duplication of roles while maintaining the integrity of the quality of solutions ...
      The complexity of the role-playing game of airplanes can be increased many times by reducing the cost of loss and increasing the reliability of execution.

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