China hides the number of newest strategic nuclear submarines by changing their identification numbers

China is building up its naval forces by commissioning new warships and submarines. In addition, in order to mislead the enemy, the Chinese Navy has begun to change the identification numbers of nuclear submarines, the South China Morning Post, an English-language newspaper in Hong Kong, writes.

The publication cites a report compiled by the author of the French submarine encyclopedia Eric Genevel and American submarine expert Richard W. Steern, as well as analytical data. In their report, the Frenchman and the American argue that the Chinese navy has not only modernized its nuclear submarines, making them less noisy, but also used special tactics to hide identification numbers.

According to experts, China, in order to conceal the number of the latest type 094 and type 094A nuclear submarines built for the PLA Navy, assigns them identification numbers of other submarines. In addition, the PLA Navy is changing the tactics of using submarines in order to mislead those watching their fleet opponents. In 2020, it was reported that the PLA Navy is armed with six newest strategic nuclear submarines of the 094A project, but in fact, it is not possible to accurately count their number.

The United States is concerned that the Type 094A nuclear submarine can carry a new ICBM capable of striking targets throughout the United States. In May of this year, the same South China Morning Post wrote about a new submarine type 094A, capable of carrying a new intercontinental ballistic missile (SLBM - ballistic missile of submarines) JL-3 instead of the JL-2 SLBM previously used on nuclear submarines of this type.

It is reported that type 094A submarines can carry 16 SLBMs instead of 12, as was the case with the base type 094 submarine.

The Julang-3 SLBM, or JL-3 for short, is the third generation of ICBMs for submarines. The JL-3 can carry 3 to 7 self-guided warheads. The range of this missile is, according to various sources, from 10 to 12 thousand kilometers, which makes it possible to strike throughout the United States, even while at the Yulin base on the island of Hainan.

Comments

[Uncle lee]

But the taukits,
Such brutes
Probably managed to pick up:
They will appear, then they will dissolve ...

[Terenin]

The US is concerned that the Type 094A nuclear submarine can carry a new ICBM capable of striking targets throughout the United States.

Well, what about the identification numbers?

[antivirus]

you were deceived .. this is the more valuable mech- Shanghai leopard ...

the Swedes need to be afraid - for a long time the Chinese will not be awarded the Nobel Prize.

[Terenin]

Quote: antivirus

you were deceived .. this is the more valuable mech- Shanghai leopard ...

the Swedes need to be afraid - for a long time the Chinese will not be awarded the Nobel Prize.

There are Germans in the next topic, for example, from fear or something, they only get fat

[hrych]

Quote: Terenin

Germans, for example, from fear or something, only get fat

They eat sausages for fear and drink beer It's very funny to read about SLBMs and the ability to shoot from the pier. This is such a geography in Russia that the distance from Murmansk to Miami and from Murmansk to Los Angeles is 8 thousand. Southern megacities of the coasts. Moreover, the main goals, as it were, in a straight line (farther-closer) the East coast of the United States and in a straight line West. And from Murmansk to Washington, less than 7 thousand. Those. Sineva and Bulava, in order to hit the adversaries, it is enough to have a range of 8 thousand, and leaving for the polar, under-ice regions, all targets, in the USA, EU and ... China, are in the five thousandth belt. And for the Chinese, from Hainan to Los Angeles, more than 12 thousand, and from Hainan to Washington, almost 14, to Miami, more than 14. Therefore, there is no pier for the Chinese, even if they have reached a range of 10-12 thousand (which is hard to believe) to swim closer to the United States, break through the enemy. anti-submarine barriers. And we ... love the Arctic. The Arctic is our everything.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

All the best for children. American.)

[Terenin]

Quote: hrych

They eat sausages for fear and drink beer

Quote: hrych

And we ... love the Arctic. The Arctic is our everything.

Arctic with sausages and beer in general otpad

[Thrifty]

And the characteristics of the same submarine, such as the level of noise from changing numbers, also change. ??

[knn54]

For example, there may be "doubles." It seems like here it is, at the base. But in fact, the Connecticut rammed into the underground dock. There is no need for the Yankees to roam near the territorial waters of the PRC ..

[sakuz]

Quote: knn54

For example, there may be "doubles." It seems like here she is, at the base. But in fact, she rammed "Connecticut" into the underground dock

"War is deception"

[bayard]

"War is a way of deception."

[tralflot1832]

Is it not an option to count the number of SLBMs at the berths, from satellites?

[Alien From]

As you know, the sum does not change from a change in the places of the terms. I am glad that mattresses are wasting their strength on the Chinese.

[sash-sash]

They do not spend them, they increase them "thanks to" naive fools who decided that by producing "all the sneakers in the world" you can become a superpower.

[Dkuznecov]

I could of course be wrong
but all the sneakers in the world
produced by Vietnam.
And already a long time ago.

China manufactures high-tech goods,
at the same time possessing both technologies,
production lines,
and trained personnel.
And Vietnam yes - sneakers and coffee.

[faiver]

How long does it take for the Chinese to stick inflatable submarines?

[Tusv]

Oh damn. We have just discussed Prince Oleg, who is 4 generations for a minute. And the Chinese third with the change of numbers is straining. Damn new numbers bought so that Ash was identified as friendly

[75 Sergey]

Do they count them by number?

[Pastor]

Will be your aug surprise when they surface near Taiwan

[sash-sash]

All this, of course, is "extremely interesting", BUT:
- At one time, the Soviet Union - a much more influential country in terms of its influence in the world than today's China - tried for a long time to butt with the Western world. (I must say, at a superficial glance, it is not even unsuccessful).
However, "something went wrong" and then "this is different" - and as a result - where is this Union?
Yes, economically China is a giant, you cannot argue here, and, most likely, the USSR has already surpassed greatly in its ECONOMIC influence on the world. But - we must understand - that "man does not live by bread alone."
WHAT does China offer to the world in terms of social and philosophical ideas?
NOTHING
But the USSR offered a lot, and understandable things of social justice, so close to people in almost all countries (ordinary people). And sincere supporters of socialism "in Russian" were represented all over the world in a large and influential way. By the way, in Western countries too.
Not for money, by the way, as it is now, but at the "call of the soul" (or whatever else you call it).
For China, the world is a trading platform, on the one hand, and on the other, a source of resources. The Chinese do not generate "ideas-for-people", for mononation is closer to their own civilization in general.
So, I think China will lose, in what form it is not yet clear, but I am almost sure of it. The outflow of industrial enterprises of Western companies from the PRC is proceeding slowly but surely. They leave for other Asian countries, somewhere on their own initiative, somewhere because of disagreement with the internal economic policy of the PRC, somewhere under pressure from their own governments.
I don’t know how much this reduces China’s development opportunities.
But, to be honest (and relying on my own experience of communicating with the companies of the Middle Kingdom), I do not wish the Chinese victories for sure.
As, however, and disasters with defeats.

I know one thing for sure: China SHOULD NOT become a leading world power.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: sash-sash

So, I think China will lose, in what form it is not yet clear, but I am almost sure of it. The outflow of industrial enterprises of Western companies from the PRC is proceeding slowly but surely. They leave for other Asian countries, somewhere on their own initiative, somewhere because of disagreement with the internal economic policy of the PRC, somewhere under pressure from their own governments.

So it is so, but only their places (Western companies) are occupied by local producers who work for the domestic market + for the markets of Chinese "partners" within the framework of the New Silk Road (Africa, South America, the Middle East, Asia, etc.) ) and therefore the West, in such impotent rage, cannot do anything ... the most interesting thing is that even in the EU and US markets, it is unrealistic to refuse Chinese products, i.e. there is nothing to replace, but to produce ourselves - the cost price will fly into space, so everything is difficult ...

There is an option for Western companies to move to other Asian countries (as you write), but the scale is different there, then there are no qualified workers, then there is a problem with logistics, etc. therefore, if some production is displayed, it is more for show (in front of Western governments). Perhaps in the future, China will be able to replace India, but whether the West wants to step on the same rake a second time ... the question is interesting. Would you like to live in the Indian capitalist world? And such a (theoretically) possibility exists ... i.e. India will sooner or later overtake the United States in terms of GDP and the West will have to take this into account.

[sash-sash]

It so happened that relatives appeared in India ...
I happen ... I look ... I communicate ... I think that India is still far from China! Discipline ...
As for the "problems" with the relocation of industrial production to other Asian countries - please bear in mind that technologies do not stand still! What the Chinese have been producing (and how they have been producing it) for the last 5-10 years can now be produced using new varieties. equipment.
Of course, you are right: you will not be able to leave China immediately, incl. and for financial reasons, but just recently I watched a German-British company (some hydraulics for construction equipment), how quickly and accurately the main part of the most important production was transported to Malaysia. In China, there were corps and little things

[Snail N9]

China, unlike the USSR, uses ideological ties that are understandable to every person based on his individual selfishness, desire for possession, growth in consumption and wealth. China exploits and encourages precisely these qualities of its citizens, but within the framework of a caste system and a "new empire" which they are secretly building on new principles under the slogan "New Silk Road". The USSR used ideological ties that were alien to the individual, based on collectivism, limitations of the individual in terms of wealth in favor of collective in society, limited and controlled consumption. That is, China exploits those personality traits based on selfishness that prevail in a person, while the USSR tried to build its empire on the basis of rare personality traits that limit the selfish desires and aspirations of the individual. Hence the collapse of the USSR and the prosperity of China. I do not think that a person will change for the better, because he has not changed in this direction, over the past 2 thousand years - as he was an egoist, thirsting for the abundance of fame and wealth, so he remained. And that is why China's position is satisfied now. Moreover, if someone listens to what Uncle Xi says, then he could hear that China is testing on itself a new caste organization of humanity as a single state, an organization based on blockchain for collective decisions and management and on points of the rating system. which will replace everything - and money, including.

[sash-sash]

It seems to me, forgive me, you greatly complicate the style and method of thinking of the Chinese - they do not purposefully exploit a person in terms of some "innate qualities" of a person! I observe a rare desire in terms of perseverance and consistency building up prom. production with the thought that this is the most important thing.
And this is not the most important thing. The thing is that starting from a certain level of well-being, a person has needs in addition to devouring and possessing - this happens, you know ...
And one more thing: here many "drown" for China, they say, he will show the Americans (since we could not) ...
And all these "supporters of the yellow dragon" are generally aware that in their beloved PRC, in some places, they prepare "soup" from babies 6-7 months old?
No? Do not know? Insert a photo?
I didn’t believe it at all until I saw it myself.
So excuse me, I'm drowning for the United States in this particular case. I don’t know what India will eventually turn into, but China is a hundred times worse than any US with all its "sins".

[Snail N9]

And I do not "drown" for China, because I also understand that Chineseization is much worse than Americanization. But the United States loses to China, because the Americans are clumsy ideologically, clinging to the outdated: democracy and all that, human rights, the rights of blacks and minorities, American values, the American way of life, the American dream and other nonsense ... China is pragmatic and clearly understands that mankind will certainly very soon come to a caste, regulated society due to the exhaustion and limitation of resources, population growth and the replacement of human labor by machines.

[sash-sash]

And again, I disagree.
The USA does NOT lose to China, because there is nothing to lose and no one to lose. The economy is a superstructure over the cultural paradigm, there is such a thing. Democracy "in the American way" is not a frozen behavioral model, it is a constantly changing form of social relations.

human rights, black and minority rights, American values, American way of life, American dream and other nonsense

- this is just not nonsense, but the very changes in the very essence of democracy "in the American way." These are changes, and deep, root, one might say.
Relatively recently, there was slavery in the United States, and today the Negro President is history. Completed stage.
As for any reasoning about the depletion of resources, this is, excuse me, nonsense - there are plenty of resources on Earth, their development is a matter of introducing new technologies, but this issue is being resolved by this very West "just once". An example is shale oil, plans for the extraction and development of iron-nickel nodules on the ocean floor, etc. and so on. And renewable energy resources in the form of wind and sun from the same opera.
Everything is being solved, but these decisions require a paradigm change.
Which is happening.
The biggest mistake in Russia is a kind of hope for the destruction of the West from within. Supporters of this cause do not want to see what a gigantic history of self-change this very West has and how quickly it adapts to new conditions.

[Siberian54]

Correctly, resources are not depleted, resources become very energy-intensive, both human and natural and man-made ... And yes, the world is changing, but every noticeable change in the world reduces the influence of states on this action, which leads to military tension on the planet and the proliferation of high-tech weapons in new places. Thus, the appearance of delivery vehicles for yazu of unlimited range led to a sharp militarization of the previously relatively calm area near the South Pole

[Vasyok]

So the appearance of delivery vehicles for yazu of unlimited range led to a sharp militarization of the previously relatively calm area near the South Pole.

What other "appearance"? Do not wishful thinking. The petrel is being tested. And until it is adopted for service, it is NOT! From the word at all.
What do you mean by "cool militarization"? Contamination by radiation of the rocket range on Novaya Zemlya and the White Sea? And what does this have to do with the South Pole?
Poor Norwegians squeal in horror at the rising background radiation around the Komsomolets nuclear submarine (although nuclear fuel has several safety barriers).
And the Russians have nuclear fuel from dozens of crashed Petrel cores lying around the Arctic. And at least to hell. All x / y.
Militaristic frenzy in Russia is more important than the life of an entire region with its flora and fauna.

[Siberian54]

Just a little time ago, hypersound was similarly called a "cartoon" ... Today, ships of the Black Sea Fleet armed with this "cartoon" went from a puddle of the Black Sea to a "bag" of Mediterranean ..

[Vasyok]

Just a little time ago, hypersound was similarly called a "cartoon" ...

Just a little while ago we were a superpower, and now we are an ordinary Pindus / Osovo colony with oil rigs and nuclear missiles.

[Siberian54]

Do we live in Texas?

[Vasyok]

In Chukhas, in Chukhas. (The capital is Maskvabad.) Where else?

[Black5Raven]

Quote: Snail N9

China, on the other hand, is pragmatic and clearly understands that humanity will certainly very soon come to a caste, regulated society.

Well, why will it come, China itself does this within its borders. There are celestials from the Communist Party and they can do anything, and then along the classic pyramid seasoned with socialist rating and total control. Bureaucrats, security officials and working drones.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

For me personally, your review was very interesting and useful. If you will allow me, I will also report my "two kopecks".
I don't quite understand the political ideology of China. Namely: the leadership of everything and everyone - the Communist Party and at the same time - the capitalist economic system, in which there are millionaire communists. Continuous contradictions. Where is the Communist Party and where is capitalism? I am sure that all ideas of the unity of the proletarians are alien and repugnant to them. I'm not sure that these two different systems - "Communist Party" and "capitalism" will be able to coexist. Sooner or later, the "explosion" will occur. The state and the entire political system are too contradictory. Of course, for the sake of objectivity, we must give them their due in the fact that economically, they have achieved great success, but how long will the economy itself and the institutions of the state be able to withstand this rhythm.

[K298rtm]

Convergence theory in action, however.

[sash-sash]

I just expressed my opinion on the basis of personal communication experience. In general, it seems to me (to be honest, I am more than sure) that the Chinese - that are ordinary people, that top officials - do not think too much about the prospects at all! That is to say, contrary to the widespread (in fact, spread) opinion about some "hundred-year plans of the great thousand-year-old Chinese people."
Bullshit is all! Have read that Western, that our publicists of all rubbish about some super-plans and cosmic wisdom of some pseudo-historical personalities, arguing about "the river along which the corpse of your enemy will float" and so on.
All this is nonsense, China was given lyuly by all and sundry, and their treatises on military affairs, if you read, and not take apart into quotations, the most complete nonsense and a set of youthful clichés.
There is no universal wisdom behind them, let alone Western (primarily American) persistence and speed of decision-making.
And inside the country one can see, with a completely naked eye, a clear contradiction between the need for the internal freedom of those who are to move the country to the "heights of progress" on the one hand, and the convulsive attempts of all sorts of "driving hands" to hold the reins based on invented ideologies.
Well, the flag is in their hands, let's see what happens.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Yes. Let's see. But you need to "look" carefully. We have a common border with them. But they know how to work. Once we came to St. Petersburg, worked at our plant. Establish their own means of communication. The routine is simple. We went into the shop at 9:00. We went out for lunch at 13:14. We went in at 18.00 and until the victorious, until XNUMX:XNUMX. At least the clock is swirling. No smoke breaks, no going to the toilet, no talking on the phone. Only work. I personally - thoughtful .....))

[sash-sash]

I will "surprise" you; there are plenty of idlers and idlers in China, stories about the "rice culture" were invented by Europeans, who saw hordes of Chinese "backwards" from morning to evening.
In fact - everything is like everyone else, just employees of large enterprises value their workplace very much, because outside the gates there is an army of ready-made "rednecks."
By the way, the states also work by the clock - not all, of course, but for the most part people are quite obligatory and disciplined.
The Chinese, due to their somewhat less personal qualifications, are forced to break down (as they say, "operationally") into relatively simple fragments, which are exactly what those who suffer from some relatively decently paid job, immigrants from different rural areas of China, are suitable for.
So it looks like a continuously working anthill. Although, of course, they try

[Vasyok]

China was given lula by all and sundry

With what fright? The Chinese grunt ping / dos in Korea and Vietnam. The Russians were there purely as technical advisers.

[Siberian54]

Vasily \ not Russians but Soviet because for each Russian adviser there was a couple of Ukrainians and specialists of other nationalities, Technical, that's for sure, air defense calculations, technical specialists, don't act like a state propagandon, otherwise you will look at the history of the war in a box, ears in a tube - not the multinational Soviet people fought, but only "Russians", and in "cinema" so exclusively the beauties of the Jewish women of the Natsiks won ...

[meandr51]

The USSR, together with the army, did not go anywhere. He just changed the name. As he threatened the Western world, he does. Once again change the name - and uroet.

[Vasyok]

Naive and funny, from start to finish. All this is called propaganda. In reality, this is not the case.
There is no USSR, no army, threats to the West are purely verbal, it will change its name after the collapse of Russia and will surely not "hide" anyone; (The Harvard CIA project ended successfully with the complete collapse and occupation of all the republics of the USSR.)

[Andrey1966]

Quote: Thrifty

And the characteristics of the same submarine, such as the level of noise from changing numbers, also change. ??

Chinese submarines, like the Chinese themselves for the pale-faced one person

[sen]

According to experts, China, in order to conceal the number of the latest type 094 and type 094A nuclear submarines built for the PLA Navy, assigns them identification numbers of other submarines.

If this is the case, then this is most likely done in order to diminish its capabilities, so that the United States does not worry ahead of time, again, it does not fall under the SALT treaty.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: sen

According to experts, China, in order to conceal the number of the latest type 094 and type 094A nuclear submarines built for the PLA Navy, assigns them identification numbers of other submarines.

If this is the case, then this is most likely done in order to diminish its capabilities, so that the United States does not worry ahead of time, again, it does not fall under the SALT treaty.

The surface fleet of China provides support, escort, interaction with its submarines.
Those. there may be a communication session or contact when they discovered their DP that took place in their area of ​​responsibility. Accordingly, all orders, reports, marks on tactical maps contain the submarine identifier. If the identification numbers were constant, then too many people would know that, for example, a strategic submarine took a certain course. And so from the average of those. no one knows what kind of submarine is in question.

[Sergej1972]

China did not sign this agreement.

[Vladimir SHajkin]

Yes, you can change the numbers as much as you like, but how to change the technological process of production in the direction of reducing the time, I think this question should be more important, and therefore, when answering it, many other questions will simply disappear.

[svp67]

In addition, in order to mislead the enemy, the Chinese Navy has begun to change the identification numbers of nuclear submarines, the South China Morning Post, an English-language newspaper in Hong Kong, writes.

And the space reconnaissance "went beyond the horizon" and you can't count how much they cost in the basing places ... Yes, and each boat has its own, unique noise background, and no matter how much you change the numbers on the wheelhouse, as soon as the noise of this boat is heard and analyzed, what and what kind of boat it will become immediately clear

[Andrey1966]

Paaad think, tactical numbers ...

[Dmitriy51]

Once upon a time, in a past life, a long-past civilization did the same. I changed tactical numbers (side) on my ships / vessels. That civilization disappeared, like the Mayan civilization .... And the new one, which has arisen on its remnants, no longer dares to act in its own interests. Since now this will be perceived by the owners as a deception, and therefore it is impossible in principle.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Dmitriy51

That civilization disappeared, like the Mayan civilization .... And the new one, which has arisen on its remnants, no longer dares to act in its own interests. Since now this will be perceived by the owners as a deception, and therefore it is impossible in principle.

It's just that the new civilization realized that changing tactical numbers (called onboard numbers in our country) can confuse someone when you have dozens of ships of the same type. And changing numbers on ships, which can be counted on the fingers (or even hands), is a pointless process. Especially when you can find out about the exits of these ships from the media (including official messages of the Ministry of Defense) or from the network (the same forum of Sevastopol at 08.08.08 was a godsend for the spy - there they wrote in plain text who and when they left and returned).

By the way, the adversaries always have one side number of the ship, which is received by the ship from birth. It can only change if the ship changes its class.

[Zomanus]

But China did not sign agreements on the reduction of strategic nuclear forces ... They may have very rich missiles.

[aries2200]

yes ... these are the Americans not RUSSIA, where any shipbuilding engineer will sell all the secrets of the Russian Navy for 33 pieces of silver

[Andrey1966]

Quote: aries2200

yes ... these are the Americans not RUSSIA, where any shipbuilding engineer will sell all the secrets of the Russian Navy for 33 pieces of silver

They don’t judge by themselves.

[Lonely loner]

China does with its submarines what it sees fit, and should not be accountable to anyone.