Syrian air defense missile system "Pantsir-S" intercepted Israeli missiles

Russian anti-aircraft missile-gun complex "Pantsir-S", which is in service with the Syrian army, repelled an attack by the Israeli aviationby intercepting the missiles fired to her. This was reported in the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of Warring Parties.

As Rear Admiral Vadim Kulit said, on October 8, F-16 fighters of the Israeli Air Force struck missiles at the T-4 airfield near the city of Homs. The Syrian Pantsir-S air defense missile system, which is part of the Syrian air defense forces, managed to intercept eight of the twelve missiles fired, and four more reached the ground. As a result of the hit, six Syrian soldiers were injured, there is damage on the territory of the airfield with minor damage to the property of the Syrian army.

On October 21, at 33:16, six F-12 tactical fighters of the Israeli Air Force, crossing the state border of the SAR in the Al-Tanf area, struck with 4 guided missiles at the T-XNUMX (Tifor) airfield in the province of Homs. (...) Eight missiles destroyed

- said in a statement.

The Israeli Air Force command traditionally did not comment on the strike, but earlier it was reported that the strikes on the T-4 airfield were being carried out under the pretext of the presence on its territory of objects belonging to Iran and "pro-Iranian armed groups" acting on the side of Damascus.

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[Peak]

The Syrian Pantsir-S air defense missile system, which is part of the Syrian air defense forces, managed to intercept eight of the twelve missiles fired, and four more reached the ground.

The result, of course, is not 100%, but for an objective assessment of the efficiency of the "Pantsir-S" operation, you need to know how many air defense missile systems were used.

[atalef]

For an objective assessment, you must first cite the words of the candidate admiral in full

quoting the deputy head of the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of Warring Parties in Syria, Rear Admiral Vadim Kulit.
"On October 21 at 33:16 six F-XNUMX tactical fighters of the Israeli Air Force crossing the state border of the Syrian Arab Republic in the Al-Tanf area, they struck with twelve guided missiles at the T-4 airfield ("Tifor") in the province of Homs. The duty forces of the Syrian air defense of the Armed Forces of the SAR of the Russian-made Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex destroyed eight missiles, "Kulit told Russian journalists.

this somehow does not entirely coincide with the previous statement of Syria that the strike was delivered from the territory of Lebanon.
Judging by the published videos of the blow, well, the blow was by no means 4 rockets.
In general, all the vehicles are usually - missiles are shot down - targets are destroyed.
In 2 days we will receive photos from the places.

[Fungus]

Everything is as usual. Some of the missiles were destroyed and some of the targets too. Both did not succeed ...

[atalef]

Quote: Fungus

part of the goals too. Neither did they succeed ...

And why did you decide that only a part?
From your proposal (as well as from the admiral's statement), only a part of the indisputable fact is that the blow has been delivered. The air defense missed.
The rest is just guesswork.
mk no photo shot down, no photo shoot down - no.
But the impact frames and the power of the explosion from a missile hit - as many as you like.

[Fungus]

Because most of the missiles were shot down and not all reached the target. Therefore, only a part.

[atalef]

Quote: Fungus

Because most of the missiles were shot down and not all reached the target. Therefore, only a part.

you have no confirmation of what you just said.
The fact of blow and destruction is indisputable, all the rest of the words are not supported by anything.
As recently as the day before yesterday, the official representative of Syria said. that the strike was from the territory of Lebanon - well, who to believe?

[Tusv]

Quote: atalef

Syria said. that the strike was from the territory of Lebanon - well, who to believe?

Here, Alexander "Strategy flooded over strategy" - The Syrians say that the carriers could not shoot down because they were from Lebanon. The Russians say that there was a border crossing, which means that it is possible and necessary to shoot down the carriers. I would say that Kulit to tell you in plain text: "Repent, Israelis. You will get a discount."

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Tusv

To tell you in plain text:

In social networks, I have already met a new meme / term - "Kutilshchina". (do not shoot the messenger for bad news) And in the Russian segment. By analogy with "manilovism", as I understand it. As you yourself understand, this indicates a low level of confidence in the words of the authorities on the part of the population.

[Tusv]

Quote: And Us Rat

new meme / term - "Kutilshchina".

Vashcheto my post to replace the office. position. Was it entering the airspace or not. For the past two years, representatives of the Ministry of Defense have always spoken from Lebanon, and here with a call to the military commissariat of Syria. Why would you?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Tusv

Was it entering the airspace or not. For the past two years, representatives of the Ministry of Defense have always spoken from Lebanon, and here with a call to the military commissariat of Syria. Why would you?

Apparently there were political reasons.
You understand that the action itself, the so-called. "call" is practically unrelated to "talked about"?
So there is a long tradition that the publicity of the results of the actions of the tsarist / Soviet / Russian army serves the interests of politics, and not public awareness. This was the case in WWI, in WWII, in the Afghan company, with "advisers" in the BV, in Chechnya, and so on.
And I do not judge whether it is good or bad, that is for you to judge. It's just that the approaches to this issue in different countries are different, and the attempts of members of the forum to interpret the actions of the IDF with their own yardstick, only add turbidity to the issue.
And attempts to explain are met with hostility, like "if it is not so with us, then you cannot have it either."
It is not constructive, but it is.

[sedoj]

Quote: And Us Rat

So there is a long tradition that the publicity of the results of the actions of the tsarist / Soviet / Russian army serves the interests of politics, and not public awareness.

Is it only the "tsarist / Soviet / Russian army"? Name at least one country where the enemy's merits will be rated higher than their own. Zadolbali obseraniya their homeland.

[VORON538]

У THESE Homeland is where the fifth point is warm Moreover, all the Jews in the VO are now swarming on this topic, most of them are from Ukraine and Belarus.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Fungus

Because most of the missiles were shot down and not all reached the target. Therefore, only a part.

you have no confirmation of what you just said.
The fact of blow and destruction is indisputable, all the rest of the words are not supported by anything.
As recently as the day before yesterday, the official representative of Syria said. that the strike was from the territory of Lebanon - well, who to believe?

Do you have to argue about it? There will be pictures from the scene and then we will talk, but for now this version has the right to exist, like any other.

[aszzz888]

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
Today, 08: 36

are you soaring in the morning? Did you feed them a manenko - -8?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: aszzz888

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
Today, 08: 36

are you soaring in the morning? Did you feed them a manenko - -8?

Sawing from the highest mountain

[aszzz888]

Aron Zaawi (Aron)
Today, 11: 07
NEW ... Sawing from the highest mountain tongue.

Oops, then we fed! "the people - they see EVERYTHING, and you will not trample against them, psi. "drink" further!

[poquello]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: atalef

Quote: Fungus

Because most of the missiles were shot down and not all reached the target. Therefore, only a part.

you have no confirmation of what you just said.
The fact of blow and destruction is indisputable, all the rest of the words are not supported by anything.
As recently as the day before yesterday, the official representative of Syria said. that the strike was from the territory of Lebanon - well, who to believe?

Do you have to argue about it? There will be pictures from the scene and then we will talk, but for now this version has the right to exist, like any other.

when they will, then show off, and now the information - the targets are not hit AT ALL, and so how many times already, and the fact that the Syrians were wounded is a consequence of the deflection of missiles

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: poquello

when they will, then show off, and now the information - the targets are not hit AT ALL, and so how many times already, and the fact that the Syrians were wounded is a consequence of the deflection of missiles

Let it be so for now. It doesn't bother me.

[businessv]

Quote: poquello

and the fact that the Syrians were wounded is a consequence of the deflection of missiles

Isn't this the consequences of missile launches, and not their deflection?

[poquello]

Quote: businessv

Quote: poquello

and the fact that the Syrians were wounded is a consequence of the deflection of missiles

Isn't this the consequences of missile launches, and not their deflection?

please do not offend the Jews, they spend so much time preparing these attacks not to injure 6 Syrians

[businessv]

Quote: poquello

please do not offend the Jews, they spend so much time preparing these attacks not to injure 6 Syrians

Not even in my thoughts! You do not understand - there would be no launches, there would be no wounded!

[poquello]

Quote: businessv

Quote: poquello

please do not offend the Jews, they spend so much time preparing these attacks not to injure 6 Syrians

Not even in my thoughts! You do not understand - there would be no launches, there would be no wounded!

there were launches, hit the wrong place

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Do you have to argue about it? There will be pictures from the scene and then we will talk, but for now this version has the right to exist, like any other.

OK. Only without photoshop pliz. And then we saw the result of the attack of the axes that flew and they are many times more than the current ones, and the warhead is a hundred times higher then and now

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Do you have to argue about it? There will be pictures from the scene and then we will talk, but for now this version has the right to exist, like any other.

OK. Only without photoshop pliz. And then we saw the result of the attack of the axes that flew and they are many times more than the current ones, and the warhead is a hundred times higher then and now

[Tusv]

So what is next? Aaron? Or here the fox was running, or maybe not, or maybe it was a janitor. But agree. The 12 axes recognized by the Russian Ministry of Defense have caused noticeably less damage than your attacks with smaller warheads and smaller delivery vehicles. Agree. This does give reason to doubt the sincerity of your pictures.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

So what is next? Aaron? Or here the fox was running, or maybe not, or maybe it was a janitor. But agree. The 12 axes recognized by the Russian Ministry of Defense have caused noticeably less damage than your attacks with smaller warheads and smaller delivery vehicles. Agree. This does give reason to doubt the sincerity of your pictures.

I have not believed your propaganda for a long time and stubbornly.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I have not believed your propaganda for a long time and stubbornly.

Here is my Mom, by the way purebred. Jewish, she said. Fuck you goldfish. And you probably have the name Ivanov

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I have not believed your propaganda for a long time and stubbornly.

Here is my Mom, by the way purebred. Jewish, she said. Fuck you goldfish. And you probably have the name Ivanov

I'll tell you so "either put on your panties or take off the cross."

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I'll tell you so "either put on your panties or take off the cross."

There is no cross in the Guards badge, and there is not even a hint of this entourage. And so. I replenished the stock of normal panties in the amount of three pieces. Today. For the Guardsman is forbidden to shine with his bare butt

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

I'll tell you so "either put on your panties or take off the cross."

There is no cross in the Guards badge, and there is not even a hint of this entourage. And so. I replenished the stock of normal panties in the amount of three pieces. Today. For the Guardsman is forbidden to shine with his bare butt

My grandfather of the Guard, Captain Shamai Abramovich Agranat, did not forget to put on a tallit.

[Tusv]

And my Grandmother and Grandfather treated the soldiers who broke the blockade. Your tallit doesn't roll

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

And my Grandmother and Grandfather treated the soldiers who broke the blockade. Your tallit doesn't roll

I agree for you. So stop waving your mom's Jewishness around. It means less to you than nothing. This is not a reproach. There are tens of thousands of people like you, just to the left for you, to us to the right here are goodbyes.

[Tusv]

Not that I brandish more Guards corporal Air Defense? And he cited Mama as an example for the first time. I remind you that you made a mistake calling me an officer, but they taught me righteously, according to the air defense. Because your speeches are funny to me

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Tusv

corporalism

With such a wonderful mother, the letter "F" in the rank should be changed to "B".
Although .... how do the people say about corporals? There was something about a daughter and a son ...

[Tusv]

Do not care, the main thing is how the enemy's pepelats flee from the corporals
I can say that notably, with dignity and afterburner

[Tusv]

Quote: And Us Rat

With such a wonderful mother, the letter "F" in the rank should be changed to "B".

Mom is always with a capital M and not with F, and even more so with V. Minus you for insulting the person from which the Motherland begins. Rejoice. Jubilee fifth

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Tusv

Mom is always with a capital M

There is no such rule in Russian.

Quote: Tusv

Minus you

And to you, for the lack of a sense of humor.

[Tusv]

Mom and a sense of humor? Yes, you completely beguiled the coast. You yourself understand that you climbed into the wrong steppe?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Tusv

Mom and a sense of humor?

If it is good, I see nothing reprehensible.
I see no reason to treat this topic as a fanatic to his religion.

Quote: Tusv

Yes, you completely beguiled the coast.

Culture flooded? Turn off the bull, not impressive.

Quote: Tusv

You yourself understand that you climbed into the wrong steppe?

That steppe, not the same fellow traveler. It happens.

[Tusv]

Quote: And Us Rat

There is no such rule in Russian.

But there is such a rule to rake

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Tusv

But there is such a rule to rake

Yes, not about your honor.

[Tusv]

You are a lousy interlocutor. For sim I take my leave

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Tusv

You are a lousy interlocutor.

Nothing to blame on the mirror.

[Tusv]

But I put downsides when the Motherland is insulted. He put only four in his entire general career at VO. I ask you not to mindlessly bet. They defend their homeland, we protect ours

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Tusv

I ask you not to mindlessly bet.

Not a horse feed. You will also ask them to give reasons.
For many, minus is a smart ceiling. Other ways of expressing are beyond their cognitive capabilities.

[Roman1970_1]

Take turns to believe. First, the representative of Syria, then Russia.
Then the pictures, although no. Do not believe the pictures

[poquello]

Quote: Roman1970_1

Take turns to believe. First, the representative of Syria, then Russia.
Then the pictures, although no. Do not believe the pictures

think correctly, there was a case - then they laid out pictures of a destroyed building, which overgrown with moss at the sites of destruction, probably the wrong moss - it grows quickly and a lot

[Lech from Android.]

12 missiles were fired ... 8 were shot down ... 30 percent passed.
The result is still not bad for the air defense of Syria.

[teptyar]

Like this ?? NOT a bad result? 70% were shot down. What if a more massive attack?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Teptyar

Like this ?? NOT a bad result? 70% were shot down. What if a more massive attack?

Judging by the reports on the missiles, only one "shell" worked, if there were at least two, or better 3 installations, all the missiles would have been shot down. But alas, Syria is not a rich country, it cannot buy many "shells".

[dima314]

everyone is happy! The Israelis overwhelmed the targets with 4 missiles and no casualties, and the Pantsir shot down 8 missiles, allegedly harming Israel)

[Albert1988]

Quote: dima314

Israelis bombarded targets with 4 rockets

Who told you that it was just like that? In any case, the damage from 4 missiles will be much less. than from 12. And if we proceed from the assumption that the targets could be hit with 4 missiles, but because of the air defense, the Israeli planes were forced to release 12 missiles, then this is also a result - there will be an overrun.

[Momento]

apparently the shell cannot hit more than two targets at the same time ...
"Two independent guidance means - radar and optoelectronic system - allow you to capture four targets simultaneously"

[carstorm 11]

So what?) Can you also confidently state that the goals have been achieved there?) Or was the goal simply to blow up?) As for the statements. Some time ago, ours stopped playing along with one of the too cunning fathers and just began to interfere and speak as they are. The Syrian side can say what it wants.

[atalef]

Quote: carstorm 11

Some time ago, ours stopped playing along with one of the too cunning fathers and just began to interfere and speak as they are.

but yes, of course, only 6 F-16s passed half of Syria at least. What kind of missiles shot down, not planes?

[carstorm 11]

Politics. The carriers seem to be knocked down until the time has come. I hope it will not come. Although it would have happened once. Hurry to knock down.

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

Policy... The carriers apparently knock down until the time has come

Because of this policy one military ally of Syria is losing face.

This word doesn't explain anything. A real explanation is needed. For example, they could not, they were afraid (of the consequences) ... In any case, there is no result of opposition. This means that the Jewish strikes will continue further.

[carstorm 11]

Well, you would of course. The whole world is in dust. I don't even doubt it.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Stas157

For example, they could not, they were scared (of the consequences) ...

But who admits this then?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: carstorm 11

Politics. The carriers seem to be knocked down until the time has come. I hope it will not come. Although it would have happened once. Hurry to knock down.

Shot down in 2018, over Israeli territory. This is not a matter of arrogance - after the war of 2006, the Lebanese do not allow Hezbollah to create a full-fledged infrastructure for the production and storage of missiles, tk. To hate Israeli airstrikes because of the Shiite party, Christians and most of the Sunnis are not interested.
Hezbollah is doing this in Syria, with the help of the Iranians. The Israelis get in the way as best they can. The Syrians naturally provide feasible resistance, but their air defense / fighter aircraft left much to be desired even at the peak of the USSR's power in 1982, when the Jews made them in a day.
Therefore, the calculation of downed missiles today is rather an advertisement of the Russian military-industrial complex for potential buyers, and Israel will carry out its tasks to the end. Like Hezbollah with the Persians

[And Us Rat]

Quote: carstorm 11

Hurry to knock down.

Go to the zoo, enter the aviary to the leopard, and give him a fist in the face to "knock down arrogance." Then tell us how it went.

[Albert1988]

Quote: atalef

only 6 F-16s passed half the territory of Syria at least

It's a big question how long they went there.

Quote: atalef

What kind of missiles shot down, not planes?

Probably because the shell will not reach the "sixteen" going at maximum height? And to shoot down missiles on approach to targets - just his task?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: carstorm 11

Can you also confidently declare that the goals have been achieved there?)

98% based on statistics. All the previous times the goal was achieved, which was confirmed later by satellite images. Therefore, there is no compelling reason to believe that this time will be any different.
In addition, if not all goals were achieved, then the blow would be repeated as many times as it would take to complete the goal. If the military received an order, then they must carry it out. Or how do you imagine it? Such a general comes to the Minister of Defense and says "we threw bombs, but not all of the targets were destroyed, contrary to the order and for no good reason" - so what? I don't know about other armies, but from the IDF such a general will fly out ahead of his own screech, along with the entire squadron.

[Albert1988]

Quote: And Us Rat

All the previous times the goal was achieved, which was confirmed later by satellite images.

Do you know how you can say about achieving goals when they are not announced in advance? For example, they planned to rip out the entire canvas at the airfield and level all the buildings to the ground, but it turned out to make a couple of funnels in the canvas and demolish one shed. Then declare that it was conceived))))

[Volkof]

Liquid people! Two mutually exclusive opinions: the Air Force destroys enemy ground targets with a probability of 80% and air defense protects ground targets with a probability of 80% ?! But together, something does not work out!

[URAL72]

А why did you decide that only a part? From your proposal (as well as from the admiral's statement), only a part of the indisputable fact is that the blow has been delivered. The air defense missed.
The rest is just guesswork.
mk no photo of the shot down, no photo of the shoot down - no "

I did not give any disadvantages to anyone, for it is a sin to laugh at the sick. Argue like children. Neither the Syrians nor the Russians have the right to tell the truth, as this will be a direct report to Israel on the effectiveness of the strikes. Essentially an adjustment. There is a war going on, not tasty sweets are falling from the sky.

[teptyar]

war with whom? Israel strikes targeted Iranians. Russian-made Syrian air defense deflects these attacks. Who is fighting whom - Russia and Israel?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Teptyar

war with whom? Israel strikes targeted Iranians. Russian-made Syrian air defense deflects these attacks. Who is fighting whom - Russia and Israel?

Rather, Syria with Israel, and for a long time.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: URAL72

Neither the Syrians nor the Russians have the right to tell the truth, as this will be a direct report to Israel on the effectiveness of the strikes.

The first adequate comment on the entire thread.

[raw174]

Quote: atalef

mk no photo shot down, no photo shoot down - no.
But the impact frames and the power of the explosion from a missile hit - as many as you like.

Come to think of it, are you sure the photo is from there? Proof from the Internet is so-so proof ... We, the inhabitants, know exactly as much as we let know ...

[poquello]

Quote: atalef

And why did you decide that only a part?

think right, goals are not destroyed

[Peak]

Quote: Fungus

Everything is as usual. Some of the missiles were destroyed and some of the targets too. Both did not succeed ...

Unfortunately for the BIG, everything is as usual Syrian air defense is fighting missiles, not their carriers ...

Now, if the Israelis suffered losses in aviation, it would be a completely different calico

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: PiK

Now, if the Israelis suffered losses in aviation, it would be a completely different calico

The air defense of Syria will gladly accept such a motivated asker like you into its ranks.

[Peak]

Quote: andreykolesov123

The air defense of Syria will gladly accept such a motivated asker like you into its ranks.

I serve in other ranks, allied with Syria, but working in a slightly different direction ...
Therefore - the Syrians YOURSELF, where necessary, with our help

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: PiK

Therefore - the Syrians YOURSELF, where necessary, with our help

Somehow the Syrians do it in Jewish without you, don't you think?

[Peak]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Somehow the Syrians do it in Jewish without you, don't you think?

With not the best performance due to the lack of a modern layered air defense system?
You call it - "in Jewish"?

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: PiK

Do you call it "in Hebrew"?

That was sarcasm. In Russia, work in Hebrew is called any work done crookedly. This does not prevent the residents of Russia from buying Israeli goods and coming to Israel for treatment. Double standarts.

[Albert1988]

Quote: andreykolesov123

Somehow the Syrians do it in Jewish without you, don't you think?

The Syrians are not doing very well for two reasons - classic local carelessness + lack of money. If they began to gradually cope with the first, then the second is still a problem. For without money, there will be a couple of "shells" where there should be a dozen of them, and another five "tori", or one battery "beech".

[Aag]

Quote: Albert1988

Quote: andreykolesov123

Somehow the Syrians do it in Jewish without you, don't you think?

The Syrians are not doing very well for two reasons - classic local carelessness + lack of money. If they began to gradually cope with the first, then the second is still a problem. For without money, there will be a couple of "shells" where there should be a dozen of them, and another five "tori", or one battery "beech".

And can you, of course, approximately, notify how with the air defense on the territory of the Russian Federation?
You see, I live 300 meters from the command post of the RD PGRG "Topol", sorry, already "Yars" - but I hear about air defense only from the media ...
NO, I welcome the secrecy mode very much! But, even being a com. APU (autonomous launcher) (com -M "," Needles "... Really, nobody (!) From
I didn’t hold rocket men in my hands ...
Sorry if you didn't save the GWT ...
They will read, - I hope, - they will not think about me, - but, about the problem ..

[Albert1988]

Quote: AAG

And can you, of course, approximately, notify how with the air defense on the territory of the Russian Federation?

And the Russian Federation is simple - there is an important object - it is covered by echeloned air defense - the S-300/400 are intercepted at a great distance, then we narrow the circles - "beeches", "tori", "shells", well, "men with MANPADS". At the same time, during deployment, the installations are placed so as to interrupt each other's sectors.

Quote: AAG

shooting practice with "Strela-M", "Needle" ... Really, no one (!) from
I didn’t hold rocket men in my hands ...

When did you serve? If in the 90s - early 2000s, it is not surprising, now the situation is a little different, with everything.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: PiK

Now, if the Israelis suffered losses in aviation, it would be a completely different calico

Yeah, for the unfortunate Syrians. They remember what happened 2 years ago, when they managed to shoot down one F-16. And, apparently, they do not want repetition.

[Denis812]

What happened? Israel attacked the Syrian air defense.
I don't really understand, but what should the Syrians expect?
Their territory is bombed, but they cannot destroy the aggressor's samoli, because otherwise their air defense will be hit by this very aggressor?
Then why do we need such an air defense system if it cannot be used? :)

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Denis812

What happened?

And it was that after the loss of the plane, the IDF air force ironed the south of Syria for XNUMX hours, inflicting dozens of strikes, and destroying everything even remotely similar to air defense and Iranian objects from the Golan to Damascus. Of course, you will not find this episode in the Russian media.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-says-iranian-forces-fired-rockets-golan-heights-posts-n872866

Quote: Denis812

I don't really understand, but what should the Syrians expect?

Repetitions of that flogging. And they don't want that.

Quote: Denis812

Their territory is bombed, but they cannot destroy the aggressor's samoli, because otherwise their air defense will be hit by this very aggressor?

Nobody has the right to prohibit them, they are absolutely free to make decisions in this matter. And they decided not to shoot at the carriers anymore. Because they understand that a decision always has consequences.
And they are not ready for the consequences of their decisions. The causal relationship has not yet been canceled.

Quote: Denis812

Then why do we need such an air defense system if it cannot be used?

That would not create them later from scratch. Backed up for the future, until better times. In addition, not all of Syria's neighbors have such an air force.

[Spring fluff]

Can you tell us more about this blow with quantitative parameters?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Spring Fluff

Can you tell us more about this blow with quantitative parameters?

Rephrase the question in a more accessible way, I don't understand what exactly do you want to know?

[Spring fluff]

What did Israel use - planes, ammunition, type, quantity, which targets were hit?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Spring Fluff

aircraft, ammunition, type, quantity

Such things are not widely publicized in the media.

Quote: Spring Fluff

which of the targets was struck?

All that is known is here:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Израильско-сирийский_инцидент_(май_2018)

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Fungus

Some of the missiles were destroyed and some of the targets too. Both did not succeed.

There is such a tactic: "oversaturation" of the enemy's defense ... when they use more ammunition than targets in the expectation that "more" will break through to the targets, while the air defense will shoot down ammunition, having exhausted its capabilities ... To put it simply ... ...: 4 objects protected by strong air defense ... enemy reconnaissance reported data on the capabilities of this air defense ... the ability to shoot down 8 missiles ... that's why 12 missiles are launched ... 8 missiles were shot down, and 4 missiles destroyed the intended ones 4 goals!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

There is such a tactic: "oversaturation" of the enemy's defense ... when using more ammunition than targets

It is quite possible that it was so. But this tactic has one problem - resource overruns.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Albert1988

this tactic has one problem - resource overruns.

There is such a "problem" ... and it will be a little expensive to launch "real" high-precision missiles! But I, unfortunately, "in a hurry" forgot to mention that in the "first echelon" false "missiles" or even outdated missiles can be used ... In addition, the meaning of targets "intended" for destruction can also be of importance! Do you think Israel will spare the expensive missiles in the "excessive number" for the destruction of the "nuclear center"?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

There is such a "problem" ... and it will be a little expensive to launch "real" high-precision missiles! But I, unfortunately, "in a hurry" forgot to mention that in the "first echelon" false "missiles" or even outdated missiles can be used ...

This is also a big question, what are "false missiles", whether Israel uses them, and whether it used them in this situation. It is no secret that Israelis often exaggerate the effectiveness of their weapons more than others for advertising purposes.

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Do you think Israel will spare the expensive missiles in the "excessive number" for the destruction of the "nuclear center"?

First, show me the "nuclear center" in Syria, and the missiles. capable of reaching the territory of Iran, Israel does not have and is not expected, and the air defense around the nuclear center in the same Iran, oh what a toothy one. And then - "nuclear centers" - a rare and small phenomenon. But if Israel has to spend 12 missiles instead of 4 to bomb a warehouse with ammunition for Iranian forces in Syria, of which there are clouds, then it is a completely different matter.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Albert1988

what are "false missiles"

Quote: Albert1988

show me the "nuclear center" in Syria,

Unfortunately, you did not understand the inner meaning of my comment as a whole ... and now you find fault with the "shell" of the comment ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Unfortunately, you did not understand the inner meaning of my comment as a whole ... and now you find fault with the "shell" of the comment ...

I understood him well, because he is on the surface, but here we are discussing a specific case.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Albert1988

First, show me the "nuclear center" in Syria

He was, and then he was gone. The conclusion is obvious.

[Albert1988]

Quote: And Us Rat

He was, and then he was gone. The conclusion is obvious.

Alas, it did not happen that even the radiation got scared and hit the road
You first think that you are writing, because the "nuclear center" is an object very different from the shed where the IRGC stores ammunition.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Albert1988

Alas, it did not happen that even the radiation got scared and hit the road

Educational program for the lazy:
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/201803210622-misw.htm

Quote: Albert1988

You think first

I haven't stopped since birth, which is why I always have arguments, which is what I wish for you.

[Albert1988]

Quote: And Us Rat

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/201803210622-misw.htm

And where is the description of the isotopic composition of that release, which then covered the whole of Syria, and also touched the neighboring countries?
Do you even understand what you are bringing here? Who built the reactor, which reactor (experimental, industrial, etc.)? Do you at least understand that nuclear reactors at the "final stages" are loading of nuclear fuel? Do you have any idea what will happen when all this is blown into the air? Fake of the purest water.

Quote: And Us Rat

I haven't stopped since birth, which is why I always have arguments, which is what I wish for you.

Judging by what "news" you brought here as an argument, it is very doubtful ...

[Albert1988]

So I drove your link into Google, I was given a lot of links, the first freedom on radio:
https://www.svoboda.org/a/29113650.html
What do they write there at the very beginning:
"The Israeli Air Force bombed in Syria near the city of Deir ez-Zor, near the border with Iraq, an object that, presumably, was a nuclear reactor under construction. "
"Immediately after that attack, representatives of the US intelligence community subjected the information that it was indeed a reactor to considerable criticism. According to them, the Israeli military in 2007 reacted excessively quickly to information that a mysterious cargo from the DPRK allegedly arrived in Syria. be parts of equipment for the construction of a reactor in the future to create weapons-grade uranium and plutonium, that is, nuclear weapons. "
A curtain....

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Albert1988

And where is the description of the isotopic composition of that release, which then covered the whole of Syria, and also touched the neighboring countries?

In the same place as the "isotopic composition" from the Iraqi reactor destroyed in 1981. Nowhere. Both gouged to the point of loading fuel.
Continuation of the educational program for the lazy:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%C2%AB%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%C2%BB

[Albert1988]

My post is above ...
With a reference to Radio Liberty)))))
In short, the IDF thought it was a reactor and bombed it ... And what it really was - they do not really care, the threat of Iran makes the hair stand on end so much that everything is obscured. The fact that Iran cannot build full-fledged reactors on its own, of course, does not reassure))) But it is good that the IDF is hammering the Iranians in Syria, otherwise they would have come running in such numbers that they have already created problems for Russia.

[Aag]

Quote: atalef

For an objective assessment, you must first cite the words of the candidate admiral in full

quoting the deputy head of the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of Warring Parties in Syria, Rear Admiral Vadim Kulit.
"On October 21 at 33:16 six F-XNUMX tactical fighters of the Israeli Air Force crossing the state border of the Syrian Arab Republic in the Al-Tanf area, they struck with twelve guided missiles at the T-4 airfield ("Tifor") in the province of Homs. The duty forces of the Syrian air defense of the Armed Forces of the SAR of the Russian-made Pantsir anti-aircraft missile and cannon complex destroyed eight missiles, "Kulit told Russian journalists.

this somehow does not entirely coincide with the previous statement of Syria that the strike was delivered from the territory of Lebanon.
Judging by the published videos of the blow, well, the blow was by no means 4 rockets.
In general, all the vehicles are usually - missiles are shot down - targets are destroyed.
In 2 days we will receive photos from the places.

... True, it is very interesting who and For What minus you so abundantly! For the question? IMHO pertinent ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: AAG

You've been minus so abundantly!

Anti-Semites for being a Jew. And leavened patriots, for being against the grain. This is a common occurrence here.
If you want a plus sign, you have to keep pace.

[Dart2027]

Quote: PiK

you need to know how many air defense missile systems were involved

It is said in the singular.

[Peak]

Quote: Dart2027

It is said in the singular.

Well, then the result of the complex's work is "8 of 12"quite worthy

The only pity is that only one machine is involved, and not several ...
After all, even one of the "missed" missiles is capable of causing trouble.

[atalef]

Quote: PiK

Well, then the result of the work of the complex is "8 out of 12", quite worthy

the result of the air defense is not the number of downed, but whether the object is protected or not.
so here is the result for 2, the object is destroyed, the bait is shot down.

[carstorm 11]

Where did you get it from?) Do you know the result? Target? Why are 8 missiles letting go of the idea?)

[atalef]

Quote: carstorm 11

Target? Why are 8 missiles letting go of the idea?)

And the thought that these were false missiles to deceive the air defense did not you think about that?
I'm not saying that it was not enough, as it was stated, there were much more explosions at the base than 4

[Albert1988]

Quote: atalef

And the thought that these were false missiles to deceive the air defense did not you think about that?

These are not false missiles, dear, these are redundant missiles, since the Israelis clearly expected such a result and were forced to fire as many as 4 on a target that could be hit by 12 missiles so that a sufficient number could break through. This is also a tactic, but I had to overspend ammunition, and this is also not a very good result.

[Peak]

Quote: atalef

the result of the air defense is not the number of downed, but whether the object is protected or not.

Who can argue, then?

Moreover, everyone is still hearing the epic work of The Leaky Dome ...

And at the same time it should be noted that your "Zhelezyaka" suffered a fiasco when using deshman sewer pipes, and a single "Pantsir-S" with a certain degree of reliability worked with a result of "8-12". And not by flying telegraph poles, but by your completely modern missiles.
And if we take into account that the missiles were used in conjunction with "bogus", then it is clear that our air defense missile system performed quite well in single combat one against six ...

[sidoroff]

Vadim Kulit made a worthy performance. but it can name any numbers launched and intercepted. there are no restrictions on the ceiling
the main thing is that the quantity
missiles launched (and often intercepted) were multiples of four. this is some kind of mystical meaning. and so that the sum of the knocked down
was no more neglected. but this is optional .

[Peak]

Quote: sidoroff

he can name any numbers launched and intercepted. there are no restrictions on the ceiling

Okay - he, this is him ...

But the question is - what numbers do you have?

[sidoroff]

without arithmetic - the state of the object "before" and "after". already posted, like. as well as the doctor's stories that the treatment went
successfully, and the patient was sweating profusely. but alas ..

[Peak]

Quote: sidoroff

sort of

I'm not talking about you - "if only"asked, but about the real numbers and data ...

And so, in all things, you - sidoroff , ff you're lying

[sidoroff]

was 14 f16, 12 f15. 71 missiles launched, 1 shot down.
finished the report. refute.

[Peak]

Quote: sidoroff

was 14 f16, 12 f15. 71 missiles launched, 1 shot down.
finished the report. refute.

Vasily, what's wrong with your life?

[sidoroff]

uh ... except for the priests in the state
Air defense brought in a psychologist?
or do you combine?

[Peak]

Quote: sidoroff

uh ... except for the priests in the state
Air defense brought in a psychologist?

YOU, I will not watch for free

Hard case

[sidoroff]

holy father. accustomed to taking bribes for everything.

[sabakina]

Quote: sidoroff

uh ... except for the priests in the state
Air defense brought in a psychologist?
or do you combine?

sidoroff, you are the main thing, in the basements of the Pentagon do not overdo it with Smirnoff, otherwise you will chase the Chukchi!

[Peak]

Quote: sabakina

sidoroff, you are the main thing, in the basements of the Pentagon do not overdo it with Smirnoff, otherwise you will chase the Chukchi!

Noo , there is "White Eagle"

[sidoroff]

smirnoff? fi.

[Albert1988]

Quote: sidoroff

smirnoff? fi.

That's right - your choice is glass, loosened with brake fluid)))) Then lit with bamboo)))

[Albert1988]

Quote: sidoroff

was 14 f16, 12 f15. 71 missiles launched, 1 shot down.
finished the report. refute.

I still, according to Jewish tradition, will answer questions to the question - and the data from where? From a camel? if from him, then there are no questions)))) Smoke bamboo further)

[sidoroff]

from him, darling. me one bait, Kulit another. what to take with a humpback?

[Albert1988]

Quote: sidoroff

from him, darling. me one bait

Okay, okay, what about Napoleon from the neighboring chamber of the bait, please do not tell))))

[sidoroff]

Napoleon? but I thought - Cool. (

[Albert1988]

Quote: sidoroff

but I thought - Cool. (

That is, do you agree with the neighboring chamber? Then there are no questions for you, health to you. good luck!

[sidoroff]

what to cook in the next room? of course I agree.
and through the wall of Konashenki.

[Spring fluff]

where are there any facts of the unsuccessful work of the iron dome? except for the usual words in the Russian press. where is an example of any significant damage from that shelling? and words are just words. gave an order to the editor - the couch Internet fighters scribbled it.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: atalef

object destroyed

Exactly? Can you provide evidence?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Seryoga64

Exactly? Can you provide evidence

Minusa, this is clearly not evidence

[D16]

the result of the air defense is not the number of downed, but whether the object is protected or not.

Under these conditions, the object will be destroyed sooner or later. Simply because the funds are smeared over the country's facilities in an even, very thin layer. In the absence of a radar field, air defense systems cannot operate in the 7x24 mode. Their resource is finite. The result of the air defense work is gained time, allowing to strike back. If the Syrian "Points U" did not arrive at Israeli targets, then the results of the raid are acceptable to both sides. When they arrive, we will evaluate the effectiveness of Israel's air defense.

[dima314]

Syrian "Points U" will never fly, so that Israel is not greatly offended, if anything. They can come up with an operation and generally smash all the air defenses of Syria and much more they want. Israel's capabilities are many times higher than all of Syria and those Russian aerospace forces that are located there.

[Denis812]

The Israelis can, of course, do a lot of things, but for some reason they do little. They are slowly gnawed from all sides, and they sit in passive defense.
resembles a bear in a den lined with dogs. The bear sticks out its paw, periodically slapping the dogs on the muzzles, and the dogs also periodically bite the bear.
The only problem is that the bear has already been driven and that he is passive and initiative of those same dogs.

Of course, I'm sad, because my dad lives in Haifa. But it is clear that Israel's collapse is inevitable. And it is a pity, because this state is the most adequate in the BV and negotiable.

[D16]

Until the Jews crossed some red line, they will not fly.

They can come up with an operation and generally smash all the air defenses of Syria and much more they want.

Israel's capabilities are many times higher than all of Syria and those Russian aerospace forces that are located there.

"This dude sits in a pool of his urine and vomit for XNUMX hours. If he was alive, he would get up and leave" (c)

[Albert1988]

Quote: D16

Under these conditions, the object will be destroyed sooner or later. Simply because the funds are smeared over the country's facilities in an even, very thin layer.

And where to get a sufficient amount of air defense weapons without a sufficient amount of money?

[D16]

Offer Iran to organize its analogue of Khmeimim in Syria at some of the air bases. With his blackjack and low social responsibility girls ... And let Iran protect him, and Israel demolishes at least every day.

[Albert1988]

Quote: D16

Offer Iran to organize its analogue of Khmeimim in Syria at some of their airbases. With their own blackjack and low social responsibility girls. And let Iran protect him, and Israel demolishes at least every day.

Well, Iran is constantly organizing there, and Israel is already demolishing ... Plus, to all of us, Iran in Syria, I repeat, is not needed, since in fact it is our enemy, who is a very temporary and very shaky ally, and then only on the basis of grater from the USA ...

[D16]

Well, Iran is constantly organizing there, and Israel is already demolishing ... Plus, to all of us, Iran in Syria, I repeat, is not needed, since in fact it is our enemy, who is a very temporary and very shaky ally, and then only on the basis of grater from the USA ..

Is the Syrian air defense blown away? No really. If you want to destroy Israel, the flag is in your hands. But yourself.
Iran is interesting to us because it does not dance to the tune of the United States and the EU. People are difficult, remember the past, but definitely not Balts or velikokry.

[Illanatol]

What object, specifically? The airfield has ceased to exist? Planes on the ground or radars or command post destroyed?
I do not exclude that the amount of material damage is lower than the cost of the fired Israeli missiles.
Oh yes, 6 more wounded soldiers. And in order to kill six of them, more missiles were needed.
Each soldier gets a personal rocket. Plus two more - to divert air defense assets.
Perhaps, with such "efficiency" of hostilities, no military budget will suffice. Even like the Pentagon, to win a final victory over the Muslims that breed like insects.
It's time to sympathize with the poor Jews.

[Albert1988]

Quote: atalef

air defense result

Dear Alexander! Please do not confuse air defense (system) with one installation! If there was just a normal air defense, there would be at least 5 shells. And one single installation on such an important object is clearly not from a good life.

[atalef]

Quote: PiK

It's a pity that only one machine is involved, and not several

Of course, but what prevented you from using several?

[Professor]

Quote: atalef

Quote: PiK

It's a pity that only one machine is involved, and not several

Of course, but what prevented you from using several?

Religion forbade.
Soon there will be satellite images, let's laugh.

[Albert1988]

Quote: professor

Soon there will be satellite images, let's laugh.

And if they don’t?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: professor

Soon there will be satellite images, let's laugh.

There will be no satellite images, representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry asked "not to tease the geese."

Russian military aircraft Tu-134AK with tail number RA-65992 landed on Thursday, 29.04.2021/27/XNUMX, at Tel Aviv airport. This is the second arrival of the plane to Israel this week - in the afternoon of April XNUMX, it also flew to Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport and less than a couple of hours later went to the Russian Khmeimim airbase in Syria.
Since then, ISI has not published photos in open media. , which makes such statements possible.
But this does not affect the fulfillment of the assigned task for the IDF Air Force.
"WHY THE CHILD WASN'T WORTHYING ..."

[carstorm 11]

Well, for example, the lack of them in the right amount.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: atalef

Of course, but what prevented you from using several?

Their presence in the troops

[Roman Efremov]

Do you think that in poverty-stricken war-torn Syria, there is a Carapace at every corner - use it, I don’t want to?
The question, of course, is rhetorical, there is no need to answer.

[Albert1988]

Quote: atalef

Of course, but what prevented you from using several?

Well, I don't even know directly, probably their absence?

[figwam]

Quote: PiK

Well, then the result of the work of the complex is "8 out of 12", quite worthy

66,6% at the same time do not forget that this is a stripped-down export version.

[Peak]

Quote: figvam

66,6% at the same time do not forget that this is a stripped-down export version.

And remember that only one crew worked ...

There would be 2-3 of them, and the result would be different ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: PiK

you need to know how many air defense missile systems were involved.

And real combat experience of calculations
If this is the first fight, then it is quite good

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: PiK

The result, of course, is not 100%, but for an objective assessment of the efficiency of the "Pantsir-S" operation, you need to know how many air defense missile systems were used.

And in which air defense system ...

Syrian air defense missile system "Pantsir-S" intercepted Israeli missiles

Our bull is one of the first at the exhibition.
And at first they shouted - as if defective,
But they woke up - and now they gave the prize:
All in medals, he lies packed.

The Pantsir complex is not bad in efficiency.
And in Jerusalem they shouted - as if he was defective,
Demonstrated the video for objectivity ...

[Shahno]

Even taking that information into account ... 66 percent efficiency, right. Weak, the ads were better.
Someone here laughed at 90 percent of Kipat barzel, and in fact everyone observed that even 10 percent posed a decent threat, and 66 percent was a "failure". It's hard to say whose.

[A. Privalov]

Vadim Kulit regularly announces the successes of the Syrian air defense. The reliability of the statements of the representative of the Russian command is questionable. He, like the Syrian military, often talks about intercepting all or almost all of the Israeli missiles, but later it usually turns out that all the targets were hit.

A number of Middle Eastern media outlets clarify that as a result of an airstrike on the T-4 military airfield located in the Homs area, two pro-Iranian militias who were not citizens of Syria were killed.

Reports indicate that the number of casualties from this airstrike is likely to increase as there are many casualties, some of whom are in critical condition.

In addition, it is noted that as a result of the airstrike, significant damage was caused to the base where the pro-Iranian militias were trained in the use of unmanned aerial vehicles. UAV launch platforms and several UAVs were destroyed.

[Fungus]

What's wrong? 4 missiles broke through and there are wounded, he said. That is, as your media! So doubts are you.

[atalef]

Quote: Fungus

What's wrong? 4 missiles broke through and there are wounded, he said. That is, as your media! So doubts are you

yes everything is not so

As a result of hitting six Syrian soldiers were injured, there is damage on the territory of the airfield with little damage property of the Syrian army.

And in real life, killed by Iranian proxies and significant damage to objects.
And so everything too.

[Fungus]

What objects where? You can talk a lot of things.

[atalef]

Quote: Fungus

What objects where? You can talk a lot of things.

Well, do you have any doubts whether there was a blow at all?

[Fungus]

There was no doubt. After all, 4 out of 12 missiles hit targets all the same. What is said in the article.

[Peak]

Quote: Fungus

4 missiles out of 12 hit targets all the same.

Do I need to remind you that "hitting" (hitting) a target (probably an engineering protected one) and destroying it are not the same thing?

[Albert1988]

Quote: atalef

And in real life, killed by Iranian proxies and significant damage to objects.

Iiii? Six of the Syrians were wounded, and the property belonging to the Syrian army was slightly damaged. And who is interested in a bombed out shed with Iranian "volunteers"? Iran in Syria Russia needs no more than Israel)

[Shahno]

Uh-huh, and in a week the names of these young professors - volunteers will emerge ... along with the rest of the equipment.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

Uh-huh, and in a week the names of these young professors - volunteers will emerge ... along with the rest of the equipment.

Which professors? What kind of equipment? Let's be specific, otherwise you have a "program" The Unknown and Incomprehensible "and you, its host - Gunther Cosmos!"

[sakuz]

Quote: A. Privalov

significant damage was caused to the base on which the pro-Iranian militias were trained in the use of unmanned aerial vehicles. Drone launch platforms and several UAVs were destroyed

It turns out that someone handed over the pro-Iranians. T-4 just like that from Israel is not visible

[common man]

Quote: sakuz

It turns out that someone handed over the pro-Iranians. T-4 just like that from Israel is not visible

Someone who. American satellites. That's who.

[sidoroff]

firstly, we have our own. secondly, there are also drones, and thirdly, there is someone to look at from the ground.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sakuz

It turns out that someone handed over the pro-Iranians. T-4 just like that from Israel is not visible

The reconnaissance satellite has passed, everything can be seen from the satellite.

[Peak]

Quote: A. Privalov

The reliability of the statements of the representative of the Russian command is questionable. He, like the Syrian military, often talks about intercepting all or almost all of the Israeli missiles, but later it usually turns out that all the targets were hit.

You, like that American admiral from the Desert Storm period:

“The statements of the Iraqi side about the interception and destruction of the coalition's aircraft and cruise missiles are more than untrue.

I declare with authority and responsibility that all aircraft, helicopters and cruise missiles safely, without damage, we returned to their bases - field airfields and ships. "

[A. Privalov]

Quote: PiK

You, like that American admiral,

Unfortunately, I am not a general. The comment above even lacks my personal opinion. I just retold the message of the Arab media quite close to the text, but they, as you know, have not been noticed in a special love for Israel, on the contrary. It's just that the admiral is obliged to praise Russian weapons in every possible way, but the Arabs are not. The weapon is probably good, only the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners do not demonstrate this. Either the skill is weak, or something else, alas ...

[Peak]

Quote: A. Privalov

Unfortunately, I am not a general.

Well, let's give praise to Yahweh, for the fact that you are not a general

[Tusv]

Quote: A. Privalov

Only the Syrian anti-aircraft gunners do not demonstrate this. Either the training is weak, or something else, alas.

Or maybe there is a simple calculation. Only 4 targets can fire the Shell at the same time. Carapace manages to serve four pairs, there is no time left for two pairs. I think they know how to count in Israel, because they guessed 12 missiles per Armor

[aszzz888]

A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
Today, 06: 56
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Vadim Kulit regularly announces the successes of the Syrian air defense. The reliability of the statements of the representative of the Russian command is questionable.

your unfounded statement is a common lie. blow in your ears there!

[Professor]

Syrian air defense missile system "Pantsir-S" intercepted Israeli missiles

Not "rockets" but "decoys". Targets on the ground were destroyed. The air defense worked perfectly well. - They shot the ammunition, but could not provide the defense. Offset !!!

On October 21, at 33:16, six F-XNUMX tactical fighters of the Israeli Air Force crossing the state border of the SAR ...

What? Not from Lebanon? What a twist....

[Peak]

Quote: professor

Not "rockets" but "decoys".

Professor, is it only you who are so advanced, or the entire military science of Israel has reached such magnitudes that it is capable of, as they say - "on the fly" to recognize the characteristic of the target in the "decoy missile" part?

[Professor]

Quote: PiK

Quote: professor

Not "rockets" but "decoys".

Professor, is it only you who are so advanced, or the entire military science of Israel has reached such magnitudes that it is capable of, as they say - "on the fly" to recognize the characteristic of the target in the "decoy missile" part?

I don’t know about Israeli science, but the Shell is not able to distinguish between a decoy and even an airplane, and therefore it “successfully shoots down missiles,” and the target is destroyed.

[Peak]

Quote: professor

Shell unable to discern bait and even a plane

Duc, name the same, that advanced miracle unit, which able to discern false and real purpose ...

Otherwise, it comes out like in a song:

"Dad can, dad can - whatever"...

And what is "daddy"? , you don't call , limiting itself only to the fact that "Pantsir-S" does not know how to do this ...

[Professor]

Quote: PiK

Quote: professor

Shell unable to discern bait and even a plane

Duc, name the same, that advanced miracle unit, which able to discern false and real purpose ...

Otherwise, it comes out like in a song:

"Dad can, dad can - whatever"...

And what is "daddy"? , you don't call , limiting himself only to the fact that "Pantsir-S" does not know how to do this ...

I have no idea. So far, the inability of the Carapace is evident.

[Peak]

Quote: professor

I have no idea... So far, the inability of the Carapace is evident.

Phenomenal revelation - "I have not read, but I condemn"

Class

[Seryoga64]

Quote: PiK

"I have not read, but I condemn"

More Soviet school

[Peak]

Quote: Seryoga64

More Soviet school

They have a Soviet, left like an old Jew from a flute - a crumpled case ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: PiK

like an old Jew

So he is old, he remembers all the bad, but he forgot all the good

[aszzz888]

Peak
Today, 09: 40
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Quote: Seryoga64
More Soviet school


They have a Soviet, left like an old Jew from a flute - a crumpled case ...

.... eaten by rats, and beaten by a barbecue!

[VORON538]

These are the "Soviet" ones with Jewish roots, and they derban the remains of the USSR to this day!

[aszzz888]

Peak
Today, 08: 41
NEW

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Quote: professor
I have no idea. So far, the inability of the Carapace is evident.


Phenomenal revelation yes - "I have not read, but I condemn" laughing

Good class

yeah yeah! answer aboutхfesura - utter mortality !!! fell asleep - there is nowhere!

[Professor]

Quote: PiK

Quote: professor

I have no idea... So far, the inability of the Carapace is evident.

Phenomenal revelation - "I have not read, but I condemn"

Class

We are discussing the Carapace, not a spherical horse in a vacuum. The carapace was unable to protect the target, and not a hypothetical air defense system.

[aszzz888]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
Today 08:38 ... I have no idea. So far, the inability of the Carapace is evident.

what, the training manuals were blown away? Nothing else to dilute your Baidu?

[Albert1988]

Quote: aszzz888

what, the training manuals were blown away? Nothing else to dilute your Baidu?

You haven't seen yet what enchanting arguments Prof cited as proof of the alleged inability of the Russian KAZ to work in the upper hemisphere of the protected armored vehicle ... There was a baida so baida)))))

[aszzz888]

Albert1988 (Eugene)
Yesterday, 13: 27

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Quote: aszzz888
what, the training manuals were blown away? Nothing else to dilute your Baidu?

You haven't seen yet what enchanting arguments Prof cited as proof of the alleged inability of the Russian KAZ to work in the upper hemisphere of the protected armored vehicle ... There was a baida so baida)))))

! Hello. This prof. on VO this chibuchit - not every "voice", "echo", or what "jellyfish" is capable of such! Cheap PR designed for amateurs, or a narrow-minded public in their kitsubas.

[Albert1988]

Quote: aszzz888

! Hello. This prof. on VO this chibuchit - not every "voice", "echo", or what "jellyfish" is capable of such! Cheap PR designed for amateurs, or a narrow-minded public in their kitzubas.

In general, this behavior of Prof is very strange - I have known him for 9 years (at first I was a reader on the site for a year), and so - he did NOT write this before! This is somewhere around 2014 -2015 Prof has somehow changed a lot ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: PiK

Professor, is it only you that are so advanced, or has the entire military science of Israel reached such magnitudes that it is capable, as they say - "on the fly" to recognize the characteristics of the target in the "decoy missile" part?

Second option. The introduction of self-learning algorithms, and the ability to update systems at the pace of applications on a smartphone, opened up new horizons. Such systems are able to perform calculations in seconds, on which a human operator spends an ineffective amount of time. This is especially noticeable in radar and electronic warfare systems. Detuning from enemy interference and / or calculating enemy radar algorithms for jamming. When confronting systems belonging to the previous technological generation, it does not present any difficulties.
A more powerful computer and better software will always win. This is an axiom of cybernetics.
For effective confrontation, the Syrians need systems that are technologically equal to the attacking systems. And the S-500 is unlikely to be presented to them.
Although this is not a panacea.

[Tusv]

Quote: PiK

"on the fly" to recognize the characteristics of the target in the "decoy missile" part?

Tuta is much cooler. The military science of Israel knows for sure that it is the missile with the warhead that will reach the goal, and the bait will be shot down and nothing else.

[Peak]

Quote: Tusv

Tuta is much cooler. The military science of Israel knows for sure that it is the missile with the warhead that will reach the goal, and the bait will be shot down and nothing else.

No matter how they themselves get confused - "what is what", and did not equip all planes exclusively with false targets

[Fungus]

The article just came out as a detachment from Israel, let's scribble you all lie They are on guard specifically or something.

[carstorm 11]

Well, it is necessary to prove to everyone in Russia that they are also warriors of the world. Sofas need to be warmed up sometimes)

[common man]

Quote: Fungus

The article just came out as a detachment from Israel, let's scribble

Since 6 in the morning they have not slept, they are looking for where to shit.

[bobwings]

And what else to do if you are still lying.
And constantly.

[VORON538]

The shrieking "vyvseretii" is a dumb excuse! And in no way reflects the correctness of the screaming!

[Peak]

Quote: Fungus

Just an article came out as a detachment from Israel, let's scribble you all lying laughing A guard specifically or something.

"Torn by vague doubts" that they have already been notified in advance by someone from the editorial board of VO about the release of an article in one way or another concerning the subject of Israel ...

[atalef]

Quote: PiK

Quote: Fungus

Just an article came out as a detachment from Israel, let's scribble you all lying laughing A guard specifically or something.

"Torn by vague doubts" that they have already been notified in advance by someone from the editorial board of VO about the release of an article in one way or another concerning the subject of Israel ...

You need to know the enemy and learn military art in a real way - before poking your fingers at Klava - find out and find out, we have a regular working day on Sunday and we start early.
There is time to read on the way to work.

[aszzz888]

atalef (alexander)
Today, 09: 36
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Quote: PiK
Quote: Fungus
Just an article came out as a detachment from Israel, let's scribble you all lying laughing A guard specifically or something.


"There are vague doubts" yes, that they have already been notified in advance by someone from the editorial board of VO about the release of an article in one way or another concerning the subject of Israel ...

You need to know the enemy and learn military art in a real way - before poking your fingers at Klava - find out and find out, we have a regular working day on Sunday and we start early.

this is noticeable in the posts. You "start" to shit on the Russian Federation very early!

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Fungus

The article just came out as a detachment from Israel, let's scribble you all lie They are on guard specifically or something.

As I read in the morning news that in Russia almost 1000 (!) People died from covid in a day, I could not fall asleep anymore. (I know a little about the statistics there. There may be many more victims) What a horror! And then, it turned out that in the Russian Federation over the past year, only from fake vodka 10 (ten thousand, Max!) Were bent, and these are only those who were officially registered! ...
After that, what kind of Syrian troubles to disassemble? Take care of yourself there! Save you, L-rd.

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[Ingvvar08]

Crawled to feed

[Fungus]

What does covid and alcohol have to do with it?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Fungus

What does covid and alcohol have to do with it?

Yes, despite the fact that you are worried about some Iranians in Syria, thousands of kilometers from your home, and you don't give a penny to yourself and your compatriots.
Why did these "Syrian brothers" surrender to you? For the seventh (!) Year the old rake haunts?
After all, they will again spit on the trail of your soldiers and, according to a well-known tradition, they will show you the door not today or tomorrow. And you will be offended again, they say, we shed blood for them, buried our children, and they, bastards not grateful, did this to us ...

[Okolotochny]

I noticed that as soon as they start poking you into something (note, on the Russian patriotic resource), then immediately scribble comments about the social sphere, our infrastructure, our infrastructure, and so on. Is everything good in Israel ??? We know for ourselves, look at your country first of all, the regional gopnik is behaving. Tell us how many (well, three years) there were attacks by Syria on Israel and how many Israel on Syria. Compare, and then scribble your posts. You are an ordinary regional "courtyard gopnik". Forgot the story with Il, when your frightened general staff (practically all of them) flew to Moscow with explanations? Because the gopnik realized that they could not give a sickly score on the scoreboard.

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Okolotochny

I noticed that as soon as they start poking you into something (note, on the Russian patriotic resource), then immediately scribble comments about the social sphere, our infrastructure, our infrastructure, and so on. Is everything good in Israel ??? We know for ourselves, look at your country first of all, the regional gopnik is behaving. Tell us how many (well, three years) there were attacks by Syria on Israel and how many Israel on Syria. Compare, and then scribble your posts. You are an ordinary regional "courtyard gopnik". Forgot the story with Il, when your frightened general staff (practically all of them) flew to Moscow with explanations? Because the gopnik realized that they could not give a sickly score on the scoreboard.

You have a great social network and excellent infrastructure. Has it become easier? More pleasant?

You dragged thousands of kilometers away to fight the bandits, among whom there are tens of thousands of your own compatriots. Motivated by the fact that if you do not beat them there, they will bring terror to Russia. You have been stuck there for the seventh year already, three times everyone there was defeated and two times they were allegedly taken out, but everything was useless.
Israel, on the other hand, cares about its safety not for thousands of kilometers, but under my windows. Apparently, it will continue to do so in the future.

It is a pity for the Russians who died, but there are claims to your "Syrian brothers" - the curved anti-aircraft gunners, who began stupid firing in different directions when the Israeli planes had already returned home. Just don't start telling nonsense here about how supersonic fighters hid behind a civilian slug. It's not even funny anymore.

[Ingvvar08]

It will feed now, it will go to eat fat

[Albert1988]

Quote: A. Privalov

You have a great social network and excellent infrastructure. Has it become easier? More pleasant?

And the covid is just hellish ... Apparently from a good social network and infrastructure ...

[Shahno]

You understand. It's kind of a different question about covid ... Not to the social sphere, and economic development, don't you think so? I hint, Orthodox Hasidim, Arab illegal settlements ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

You understand. It's kind of a different question about covid ... Not to the social sphere, and economic development, don't you think so?

And I, naive, thought that the more developed the social system and the economy in the country, the more forces and resources the country can throw to fight such an epidemic, and the more effective such a fight will be ... How am I, dark and uneducated, was wrong! I'm going to eat my PhD!

Quote: Shahno

I hint, Orthodox Hasidim, Arab illegal settlements ...

Oh, and this, it turns out, does not depend on social, economy and infrastructure? "That's how it is, Mikhlych!"

[Shahno]

Uh-huh, you can add it to your doctorate. That secular law is not written to our orthodox people ...

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

Uh-huh, you can add it to your doctorate. That secular law is not written to our orthodox people ..

Or maybe add there that the vaunted pfizer turned out to be completely powerless against the delta?

[Shahno]

It's not clear yet. There were no serious reports. But the fact that the "wave" is declining is a fact. And there are relatively few deaths.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

It's not clear yet. There were no serious reports. But the fact that the "wave" is declining is a fact. And there are relatively few deaths.

Well, my relatives in Tel Aviv somehow have a different opinion about the situation - in short - everything is very bad and becomes even shittier.

[Shahno]

I have already mentioned what is my position on the personal opinion of the individual .. As if yes, it is interesting, but I do not want to prove it.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

I have already mentioned what is my position on the personal opinion of the individual .. As if yes, it is interesting, but I do not want to prove it.

Oha, you brought tsifiri zryaplat, but tsifiri store prices - no)))) For proof does not pull))) And "individuals" go to the store every day, both in Tel Aviv and in Moscow, as they come (every new year - show daughters winter with snow, because they like it madly) and can thus compare prices there and there. The verdict is that the ratio of prices and wages is absolutely the same ...

[Okolotochny]

What is the topic of the article? Russian social sphere? Or that Carapace was at work? Yes, yes, as your Professor says "Russian Air Defense Sucks." Well, yes, that your pilots sneak like burglars. It is not necessary to translate the topic so "technically, in ... Israeli". What are our people doing in Syria? Protect the interests of the Russian Federation. Which? Do you care? To whom claims for the downed Il? The thief's hat is on fire. Once again, why almost all of your General Staff flew to Moscow with explanations and was sent to Shoigu on foot? I don’t know who is to blame. And yours came running because they were afraid of the answer. This fact. For "sloppy air defense" - do you have that? Comment on this.

[VORON538]

Didn't forget to add that many Russian are no longer oligarchs but like "businessmen" - also Jews who continue to plunder the population of Russia in a variety of ways, legalized by them? THIS IS OTHER?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: VORON538

Didn't forget to add that many Russian are no longer oligarchs but like "businessmen" - also Jews who continue to plunder the population of Russia in a variety of ways, legalized by them? THIS IS OTHER?

Accordingly, is any Jew obliged to answer for this?

[VORON538]

How to attack and rob, so you have a brotherhood, but to answer alone ... Expectedly. Only the history of mankind shows that such an excuse is sometimes the indigenous population ... there was a "lioness", so she gave the go-ahead to her driver to get out of the oncoming lane. She says she doesn't remember anything, left the scene of the accident, why should she worry about some mortals. Approving the bombing and robbery of other states shouldn't answer? Or "THIS IS OTHER"?

[A. Privalov]

Quote: VORON538

How to attack and rob, so you have a brotherhood, but to answer alone ... Expectedly. Only the history of mankind shows that such an excuse is sometimes the indigenous population ... there was a "lioness", so she gave the go-ahead to her driver to get out of the oncoming lane. She says she doesn't remember anything, left the scene of the accident, why should she worry about some mortals. Approving the bombing and robbery of other states shouldn't answer? Or "THIS IS OTHER"?

DO NOT fool your head, dear, neither yourself nor people.

[common man]

Quote: A. Privalov

As I read in the morning news that in Russia almost 1000 (!) People died from covid in a day, I could not fall asleep anymore.

Poor people. They have not slept since 2 am, scouring Russian news, looking for some nasty thing about Russia. They read it as if they were "pricked", Euphoria! Already sausage from the buzz. What a dream here.
That is why I don't give a damn about what is going on inside the "Promised Land"? We are somehow flawed, we do not know how to rejoice in someone else's grief.

[aszzz888]

philistine (andrey)
Today, 09: 14
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Quote: A. Privalov
As I read in the morning news that in Russia almost 1000 (!) People died from covid in a day, I could not fall asleep anymore.

Poor people. They have not slept since 2 am, scouring Russian news, looking for some nasty thing about Russia. They read it as if they were "pricked", Euphoria! Already sausage from the buzz. What a dream here ...

To do this, they are here and hoof, pouring on the Russian Federation with enthusiasm, otherwise the owners will delay in paying.

[aszzz888]

A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
Today, 08: 02
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Quote: Fungus
Just an article came out as a detachment from Israel, let's scribble you all lying laughing A guard specifically or something.

As I read in the morning news that in Russia almost 1000 (!) People died from covid in a day, I could not fall asleep anymore ...

You this, do not fall asleep anymore, otherwise you never know - the Russians will again be to blame. Survivor)) you are ours!

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

You worry about Russia all the time, can't you eat? Are you missing your problems?
Well, are you so killed?
You won't be killed like that!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

You worry about Russia all the time, can't you eat? Are you missing your problems?

Well, they thought they would leave for Israel, the promised land, they will be covered in chocolate, as a result, the prices are high, you have to work hard, twice as much as here, and even like the locals, except as "Russian saints .... yami" call. So we need to find an outlet - to prove to oneself (and not to us - this is the second time) that everything is worse in the "former Motherland" than in the newly purchased one. This is an absolutely natural and normal psychological defense reaction. We will be aware of the anamnesis and treat with understanding

[Shahno]

// as a result - the prices are high, you have to work hard, twice as much as here //
I do not want to disappoint you, the prices in relation to the salary are even more favorable than in Moscow.
Fluently, somewhere twice as expensive in TA, but the average salary is 11000 shekels (230 thousand rubles) ... The average salary in Moscow is around 000 rubles.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

I do not want to disappoint you, the prices in relation to the salary are even more favorable than in Moscow.

Moscow, this is somehow not all of Russia, all of a sudden))) And yes - you can not tell me - my uncles have been living in Tel Aviv for 25 years))))

[Shahno]

They live, so what? I'll give you a figure, and you are my uncle ... So I'm talking about TA and Moscow. Not all regions.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

They live, so what? I'll give you a figure, and you are my uncle ... So I'm talking about TA and Moscow. Not all regions.

Bullshit, you are me and not a figure, the ratio of prices to salaries is just like in Moscow darling)))

[Shahno]

Why not, refute my hypothesis ...
And she was next - for a salary in Moscow, you can buy approximately the same benefits as in TA for a salary in TA. Taking into account the purchasing power. I gave you the average values ​​in the population (maybe the median is better).

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

Why not, refute my hypothesis ...

And what is there to refute - food is almost 1,5 - 2 times more expensive

[Shahno]

More expensive than what ... The consumer basket in Israel is about 1000 shekels, in Russia 12000 rubles. Iii? What is more expensive than what?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

What is more expensive than what?

And you yourself think, count, have you been to Russia for a long time? Have you been in the shops for a long time - to see the real prices?

[Fungus]

But for some reason the Israelis live no better than the Russians. The same. Judging by the families I know. So it's not about the salary to see it.

[atalef]

Quote: Fungus

But for some reason Israelis live no better than Russians

here he is driving

[Shahno]

Judging by the cons, some have already compared

[Albert1988]

Quote: Shahno

Judging by the cons, some have already compared

They just asked their relatives)))) Are you so naive - do you think that Russians do not have a lot of relatives in the Promised Land?

[teptyar]

YOURS live in such harsh conditions, your uncles .. For 25 years poor fellow! Maybe it's time to go home, to the birches? to Normal Medicine?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Teptyar

YOU live in such harsh conditions, your uncles ..

Conditions conditions, medicine medicine, but urolithiasis in Israel threatens almost everyone who drinks the water there without sooo good filtration.

Quote: Teptyar

For 25 years the poor fellow! Maybe it's time to go home, to the birches? to Normal Medicine?

Considering that their grandfather was a doctor here, and his cousin (my grandfather) was also a doctor, then they know what kind of medicine we have. Both say boldly that, of course, God forbid, but it is better to operate oncology in Russia.

[teptyar]

no words ... found the same - urolithiasis. In some industries, there is no one to work with us. Most of the village-rural part of the country has no idea about the diagnosis and prevention of oncology. People are dying in packs of burning alcohol .. Only 146 million are spread over such an area .. Here are the problems! Which are getting worse.

[Albert1988]

Well, everything is in a bunch)))) Our population has no idea that the brains are dirty with a stupid zombie, from which all sorts of "rent" so fill the average man in the street with information slops that he begins to believe that Bill Gates chips everyone through the covid vaccine , and the covid itself has a "magnetic-wave" nature ... Because of this, the population is poisoned with fired alcohol, that the brains of many have already become "slurry" ...

[teptyar]

I don't drink at all. I don't watch RenTV. I look around and I see, I see what I see.
I also did vaccinations.
I'm worried about my country. There is a lot to worry about.
Now I began to worry about the Israelis who were very nice to me! Because of you! How people suffer from urolithiasis!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Teptyar

I don't drink at all. I don't watch RenTV. I look around and I see, I see what I see.
I also did vaccinations.

You are triple fellow!

Quote: Teptyar

I'm worried about my country. There is a lot to worry about.

And this is good, because those who do not care are doubly scary ...

Quote: Teptyar

Now I began to worry about the Israelis who were very nice to me! Because of you!

It is not necessary for the Israelis - this is their choice, their country, and far from us, let them live as they want. For me, too, do not need - I am still very young and healthy))))
We must worry about those around you, those who have not been vaccinated and are driving the nonsense that "vaccination is chipping, covid is a magnetic wave virus" and other rare nonsense poured into their heads by all sorts of "cluck-klesovy-ram" and their name is legion ...

[Gunther]

and sho there in a TA with a communal apartment (water, electricity, etc.), taxes?
what percentage of 11t. shekul remains?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Gunter

and sho there in a TA with a communal apartment (water, electricity, etc.), taxes?
what percentage of 11t. shekul remains?

About the same as ours, after all the necessary expenses. One big plus - the mortgage is cheap there, because the housing is "plywood-cardboard", there is no need to heat))))

[figwam]

Quote: Fungus

They are on guard specifically or something.

They have such a job ...

[aszzz888]

Fungus (Vitiek)
Today, 07: 13
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Just an article came out as a detachment from Israel, let's scribble you all lying laughing A guard specifically or something.

Harch work out!

[Okolotochny]

Kosher probably. We missed Saturday and today we decided to win back.

[sifgame]

Well, of course it cannot be that the Russian air defense would shoot down the world's best Jewish missiles. And if something is knocked down, then it's bait. And all the Jews of the forum know this for certain.

[atalef]

Quote: sifgame

Well, of course it cannot be that the Russian air defense would shoot down the world's best Jewish missiles. And if something is knocked down, then it's bait. And all the Jews of the forum know this for certain.

Well, Karabakh clearly showed you about the effectiveness of air defense.

[Fungus]

Air defense 60-70-ies mainly to be more precise. No clarity.

[hwostatij]

Well, Karabakh clearly showed you about the effectiveness of air defense.

Is that about the ineffectiveness of the conduct of hostilities in its absence.

[sifgame]

Karabakh only showed me that an important part of the weapon is a commander, trained personnel, a fighter, an operator. If you think that what happened in Karabakh reflects the effectiveness of Russian air defense, then that's great. Deceive further in your delusions.

[rotmistr60]

Not "rockets", but "decoys"

Messrs. Jews, when in your cities the home-made products that have flown in explode, does your "dome" also work on baits? Your "proletarian" hatred for Russia is understandable, but it is necessary not only to know the measure, but at least sometimes to be objective.

[Peak]

Quote: rotmistr60

Your "proletarian" hatred for Russia is understandable, but it is necessary not only to know the measure, but at least sometimes to be objective.

Donbass, two godfathers in embroidered shirts sit in a trench during a separatist attack.
One of the godfathers, sniffing and sniffing, asks the other:

- Kum, you sho, did it ???
- Tse I'm a kind of fierce hatred ...

[sifgame]

It's impossible)) they will draw any excuse there and for any reason.

[Petio]

They also used air defense missiles there. One missile of the S-200 complex fell into Iraq. They also wanted to shoot down the carriers, but did not manage to do it as in 2018.

[riwas]

There would have been more missiles shot down by Thor. It has a probability of hitting a target with one missile at least 0,98.
https://pikabu.ru/story/tor_rasterzaet_50_tseley_za_odin_raz_v_chem_sekret_fenomenalnyikh_sposobnostey_zrk_4084670

[Albert1988]

Quote: riwas

There would have been more missiles shot down by Thor. It has a probability of hitting a target with one missile at least 0,98.

Alas, Syria has no money for "tor" (((

[faiver]

Well, since some of the missiles have broken through, it means that the air defense forces' outfit does not correspond to the task ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Russian air defense missile systems could not repel the strike of 4 F-16 fighter-bombers.

It's time to admit it, and not fool people!

What will happen if the attack is more massive ?! There will be not 4 planes, but 40 at once? Yes, they will erase any of our bases to dust, in a few flights !!!

For a long time, the couple has already drawn conclusions and take urgent measures, and not boast that some of the missiles have been shot down. If they were shot down at all.

It is necessary to shoot down planes and do not care from what airspace they strike, from the sea, from Lebanon, Jordan or Israel.

And for each strike such a blow to respond with a missile strike on the military bases of Israel.

Otherwise, these Jewish vultures will continue to bomb Syria.

Russia needs new and more effective air defense systems that operate missiles with active seeker, and it also needs a small and economical AWACS aircraft of the Yak-44 project type to direct air defense missile systems even if enemy aircraft use terrain folds as a cover from the detection of air defense systems radar.

In the meantime, what Israel is doing in Syria turns into a shame for Russian weapons and for Russia itself.

[Konnick]

It is necessary to shoot down planes and do not care from what airspace they strike, from the sea, from Lebanon, Jordan or Israel.

They would have shot them down, but first you have to see them, and this is alas ... therefore there are discrepancies, the Syrians say the strike was from the airspace of Lebanon, our general speaks from the En-Tanf area, Syria. They may have noticed, but late, when they had already shot. Perhaps the F-16s flew at low altitudes ...

[Ros 56]

Russian air defense missile systems could not repel the strike of 4 F-16 fighter-bombers.

And how many of them were involved there, these same air defense systems? Can the guard scream early?

[Albert1988]

Quote: Ros 56

And how many of them were involved there, these same air defense systems?

One piece ...

[Spichka]

In order to shoot down your planes, not new effective missiles are needed, and what has already been invented and created is enough, but political will.

[konstantin68]

The "Shell" is at war! This is good, even without the values ​​of the efficiency factors. In the conditions of real combat use, "childhood diseases" are very quickly cured and characteristics are finalized. And I propose to skeptics to name the more "belligerent" air defense missile system / air defense system, of the relatively new ones.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

In the conditions of real combat use, "childhood diseases" are very quickly cured and characteristics are finalized.

Something is not noticeable that the characteristics of the Shell have increased greatly, the Jews are bombing Syria as they want and where they want.

If it calms you that there is an air defense system even worse, then I am not. I see that the effectiveness of this complex is insufficient and it cannot repel a missile attack from even a dozen missiles, and if there are hundreds of missiles and more than one wave, then the effectiveness of these air defense missile systems will be generally zero, we will only lose people and equipment that costs a lot of money, we will not counting the objects that they will cover.

We need new air defense systems, in addition to what we have, MODULAR (in the West, Jews also have such, the same Iron Dome), so that the launcher, radar and command post are separated from the people, so that the crew is not afraid that they will be detected by the radar and will destroy. Then such complexes can be installed directly from the border of the country in several borders. And we urgently need small and economical AWACS aircraft of the Yak-44 type that will detect the enemy in advance and even in the folds of the terrain, and new missiles are needed for air defense missile systems with active seeker (fire-forget) that do not require constant target illumination.

And what is now is useless, Armor and TORs are of course also needed, but not as the basis of air defense, but as a mobile reserve.

Otherwise, trouble awaits us. The Jews have already shown that, without losses and special costs, they can both detect and hit our air defense systems and Armor in Syria and the TOP in Nagorno-Karabakh. Our allies are losing not only complexes but also people from being hit by just one missile.

And if the complex was dispersed in modules, the defeat of the radar would not lead to the death of people, and a separate command post of the air defense system is much easier to disguise on the ground when it is separate from the complex, and not together with missiles that themselves can explode when the complex and the radar are damaged, which is easy to detect by signal.

It’s time to move and understand that the current air defense system is ineffective and breaks through even with insignificant forces !!! And not write cheerful headlines, like we were bombed, but some of the missiles did not hit the target.

With the same success, you can write that out of 1000 bullets fired by some bandits, only 5 hit the target, killing only 5 fighters, and all the rest flew past.

[hwostatij]

Only the power shield from the death star will satisfy your requests, and even then, probably, not to the end

[hwostatij]

And I propose to skeptics to name the more "belligerent" air defense missile system / air defense system, from the relatively new ones.

Leaky Cumpol

[Pytnik]

Quote: A. Privalov

that the airstrike caused significant damage to the base

1 missile hitting the hangar at the edge of the airfield is "significant" damage ??? Well then, "praise" the pilots of the IDF, I can give a link to the satellite image, the War Journal telegram channel

[Professor]

Quote: Pytnik

Quote: A. Privalov

that the airstrike caused significant damage to the base

1 missile hitting the hangar at the edge of the airfield is "significant" damage ??? Well then, "praise" the pilots of the IDF, I can give a link to the satellite image, the War Journal telegram channel

London-based monitoring group The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) clarifies that an Israeli airstrike on a T-4 military airfield in the Homs area killed two non-Syrian pro-Iranian militias.

The report said that the number of casualties from this airstrike is likely to increase as there are many injured, some of whom are in serious condition.

In addition, it is noted that as a result of the airstrike, significant damage was caused to the base on which the pro-Iranian militias were trained in the use of unmanned aerial vehicles. The drone launch platforms were destroyed.

The task was not to roll out the entire airbase, but only a warehouse with drones, their launchers and a training center.

PS
Satellite images would be appropriate.

[Illanatol]

London-based monitoring group The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) clarifies that an Israeli airstrike on a T-4 military airfield in the Homs area killed two non-Syrian pro-Iranian militias.

A highly reputable source. No worse than "white helmets"

From London, of course, you can see everything.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

London-based monitoring group The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) clarifies ...

Does it bother you that this organization, which you refer to as a source of information, consists of ONE PERSON who has been living in Britain since 2000?

Where can he get prompt and accurate information? From YouTube?

In fact, this is just a propaganda mouthpiece of Western intelligence services through which information that is beneficial to the West is leaked, and then the media refer to this nonsense.

[Professor]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Does it bother you that this organization, which you refer to as a source of information, consists of ONE PERSON who has been living in Britain since 2000?

No, it doesn't bother. RT has a staff of thousands of people and a billion-dollar budget, but you cannot believe that they broadcast. On the other hand, Abu Ali is "one person", and his information has been confirmed many times.

[aszzz888]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
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Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
Does it bother you that this organization, which you refer to as a source of information, consists of ONE PERSON who has been living in Britain since 2000?

No, it doesn't bother. RT has a staff of thousands of people and a billion-dollar budget, but you cannot believe that they are broadcasting.

what else would you teach you to make people laugh ?! WHERE ARE YOU RATING RT, agitator)) you are not ours!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

On the other hand, Abu Ali is "one person", and his information has been confirmed many times.

His information has been repeatedly refuted.

All information from Abu Ali, who pretends to be The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), is usually the following))):

- if the Russian Aerospace Forces strike, it will certainly only go to schools, kindergartens and hospitals;

- if the strikes are delivered by the Syrian Air Force, then as a rule they use chemical weapons and strike exclusively at the civilian population of their country, simply because Assad is a maniac and a tyrant;

- if the US strikes Syria, it always strikes only ISIS militants, God bless America, which saves the whole world;

- if the Israeli Air Force strikes Syria, it always strikes only the Iranians, who were about to want to strike Israel, but for some reason they have not yet hit them.

Everything. Not a drop of truth, not a drop of objectivity.

This Abu Ali is the same mouthpiece for the Western intelligence services, like Belingcat. These sources have nothing to do with the truth; on the contrary, they are used for propaganda and misinformation of the population.

And such flashy names are used for solidity, one might think that there really are thousands of volunteers who are risking their lives trying to convey the truth to the world. But that's not it at all.

In the Western media, the state and budget are several times greater than that of the Republic of Tatarstan, and all that they broadcast is much further from the truth than the reports of the Republic of Tatarstan.

[Professor]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

All information from Abu Ali, who pretends to be The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), is usually the following))):

Abu Ali has nothing to do with The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR). You are confusing him with someone else. He covers the Arab-Israeli conflict. I gave it as an example of a source of information.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

In the Western media, the state and budget are several times greater than that of the Republic of Tatarstan, and all that they broadcast is much further from the truth than the reports of the Republic of Tatarstan.

Let me disagree with you. RT has a lie that begins with a name. Their materials do not have anything about Russia Today. Further more.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Abu Ali has nothing to do with The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).

Yes, I misunderstood you here. It was about the Syrian Center, and for some reason you mentioned Abdu Ali while discussing it, I thought that you mean the organizer and the only member of this organization.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is led by Osama Ali.

And everything written refers to him and this pseudo-center for human rights.

Let me disagree with you. RT has a lie that begins with a name. Their materials do not have anything about Russia Today. Further more.

Where is the lie? Have you tried to find?

Go to the news site - https://russian.rt.com/news and see the news from Russia. Everything is there, and you yourself are lying.

And in addition to news from Russia, there are other informational sections.

[Professor]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Yes, I misunderstood you here. It was about the Syrian Center, and for some reason you mentioned Abdu Ali while discussing it, I thought that you mean the organizer and the only member of this organization.

I gave an example of a "simple" blogger whose information is more reliable than from many TV channels. Therefore, it does not bother me that this "source of information consists of ONE PERSON".

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is led by Osama Ali.

Do not know.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Where is the lie? Have you tried to find?

It's like the box says "Salt", and there is "Groats". Where is the lie? So it is with "Russia Today" - not about Russia. This channel should be called "America Today" and "Ukraine Today". So it will be fair.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Go to the news site - https://russian.rt.com/news and see the news from Russia. Everything is there, but you yourself are lying.

"Is everything there"? And about the torture of prisoners in the hospital of the Federal Penitentiary Service in Saratov? Why on earth? Saratov Russia? Or is it happening today?

Now we are looking at https://www.rt.com/on-air/ and looking for news about Russia today.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I gave an example of a "simple" blogger whose information is more reliable than from many TV channels. Therefore, it does not bother me that this "source of information consists of ONE PERSON".

Even if your Abdu Ali is a crystal-clear person, this does not mean that Osaka Ali in Britain is exactly the same.

Tell me how a common civilian in Britain can have prompt and accurate information about all the events in Syria?

No way. And do not talk nonsense that he has his agents everywhere with cameras who see everything and hear everything.

This blogger simply works as a mouthpiece for the special services and through him voices the information that is needed, so that later it can be used for his own purposes.

How many screams there were about the use of chemical weapons in Syria by government forces. Obvious disinformation, and use it as a pretext for an attack on Syria.

Just like the most honest Israeli media lie about the Iranian threat from Syria, justifying their aggression and the deaths of Syrian citizens.

Already someone, but not Jews, can accuse RT of lying.

[aszzz888]

Ratmir_Ryazan
Yesterday, 12: 33

I liked your post very much. Facts and objectivity. This is what opponents do not like. They would blur, suck out of the finger, flood ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: professor

London-based monitoring group The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR) clarifies

Syrian Observatory for Human Rights
Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, SOHR, SCMHR) is an information project initiated and led by Osama Ali Suleiman (pseudonym Rami Abdul-Rahman), a Syrian citizen who has lived in Coventry (UK) since 2000. The center has only one permanent employee - Osama Ali Suleiman himself

Things are really bad if there is no one else to refer to.

[Pytnik]

Quote: professor

Satellite images would be appropriate.

So they are in the telegram channel that I indicated to you, do not be too lazy to register if you do not have a telegram, the hangar is destroyed on the edge, and the damage is really minimal, obviously not from 8 missiles!

[Professor]

Quote: Pytnik

Quote: professor

Satellite images would be appropriate.

So they are in the telegram channel that I indicated to you, do not be too lazy to register if you do not have a telegram, the hangar is destroyed on the edge, and the damage is really minimal, obviously not from 8 missiles!

I don't want to register anywhere. Will it not be difficult for you to post a photo HERE?

[Ros 56]

It was necessary to intercept Israeli planes, it would be more effective.

[B1 Lancer]

The legendary American General Raymond Odierno has died!

[faiver]

and what is he legendary? well, not counting the command in Iraq ...

[Gunther]

Quote: B1 Lanser

... American general
Raymond Odierno!

"Efim died, and to hell with him!"

[kig]

But what if we have a super-secret agreement with Israel to conduct weapons tests in conditions as close as possible to?

[Konnick]

But what if we have a super-secret agreement with Israel to conduct weapons tests in conditions as close as possible to?

Genius and the wolves are fed, and the sheep are safe. Savings on expensive targets and safety precautions for calculations

[kotev19]

Are you a science fiction lover? I love her, but I never thought of that.

[Albert1988]

Quote: kig

But what if we have a super-secret agreement with Israel to conduct weapons tests in conditions as close as possible to?

We clearly have a very secret, but much more realistic agreement with Israel - we do not in any way prevent the IDF from striking Iranian infrastructure in Syria. We do not really need the Iranians there, since Iran is not an ally to us at all, and if the States did not squeeze them, it would act as our adversary.

[KLV]

"Pantsir-S", which is in service with the Syrian army, repelled an attack by Israeli aircraft, intercepting missiles fired by it.
..........................................
The author, please write in Russian: missiles launched by HER.
I immediately thought that the missiles were fired (to whom?) By the Israeli aviation (by whom?) By the Israeli aviation. Nonsense...

[Bradley]

On October 21, at 33:16, six F-12 tactical fighters of the Israeli Air Force, crossing the state border of the SAR in the Al-Tanf area, struck with 4 guided missiles at the T-XNUMX (Tifor) airfield in the province of Homs. (...) Eight missiles destroyed

Look how it is. And yesterday they wrote that they were shooting through Lebanon.
VO editors often screw up this way, do not check the information and throw it as it is, but honest (and not so) people believe.

[Bamboo]

Syrian carapace? One or something.
I would not be surprised.
These are funny Israeli missiles. As if even he and the Palestinians have one for two missile developers.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Bambucha

One or something.

Apparently yes ...

[Roman Efremov]

Here the other day, in the comments under another article, an Israeli leader claimed that they have a jammer on every missile and bomb, forming false targets and leading the Pantsir missiles (and not only Pantsir) to the side. Looks like they forgot to put on these downed missiles?

[kotev19]

Whatever they write, I have no doubt that the Pantsir-S air defense missile system saved many lives in this case!

[andreykolesov123]

Quote: kotev19

Whatever they write, I have no doubt that the Pantsir-S air defense missile system saved many lives in this case

The armor is undoubtedly an excellent means of protecting life, especially for those people who are at a distance from it at the time of the attack.

[kotev19]

Thanks for the support! I bet you +, otherwise I see that they began to "bomb" you!

[Vladimir 141]

The abnormal situation with these Israeli strikes on the territory of a sovereign state. Why shouldn't Syria do the same under the pretext of the presence of ISIS fighters or other anti-government forces in Israel ?!

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Vladimir 141

The abnormal situation with these Israeli strikes on the territory of a sovereign state. Why shouldn't Syria do the same under the pretext of the presence of ISIS fighters or other anti-government forces in Israel ?!

Because the Syrians, for all their problems, are not at all stupid people.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Conversely, in Israel, stupid people attacking neighboring countries.

[Professor]

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

Conversely, in Israel, stupid people attacking neighboring countries.

Country? When was the last time Israel attacked Egypt or Jordan? And all because they buried the ax of war and made peace with Israel. Syria and Lebanon do not want peace. And in war it is like in war.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

No matter how pathos, Israel does not attack Jordan and Egypt, it is true that it attacks others, but that is not it.
Think for yourself how much you need to be gifted in order to attack Syrian targets with missiles (not cheap) with the exhaust of 6 wounded !? Collect statistics over the years, calculate where your warriors are throwing money and think about whether it is necessary to attack some airfield somewhere in Syria under the pretext that there may be Iranians there? Once again I will ask you in Israel all the problems have already been resolved and there is no place to spend money, the people only need new territories and messages about brave flyers?

[Professor]

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

No matter how pathos, Israel does not attack Jordan and Egypt, it is true that it attacks others, but that is not it.

Yes. Only those who declared war on Israel. Syria chose not peace, but war. Now he gets it.

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

Think for yourself how much you need to be gifted in order to attack Syrian targets with missiles (not cheap) with the exhaust of 6 wounded !?

Our goal is not to kill, but to ensure the safety of our citizens. The absence of casualties is proof of the high accuracy of our weapons.

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

Collect statistics over the years, calculate where your warriors are throwing money in and think about whether you need to attack some airfield somewhere in Syria under the pretext that there may be Iranians there?

Necessary.

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

Once again, I will ask you in Israel all the problems have already been resolved and there is no place to spend money, the people only need new territories and messages about brave flyers?

There are many problems in Israel and we have something to spend money on, but our safety comes first. Send to Jordan and Egypt.

[aszzz888]

A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
Today, 10:28 am Because the Syrians, with all their problems, are not at all stupid. hi

Changing shoes in the air!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Vladimir 141

Why shouldn't Syria do the same under the pretext of the presence of ISIS fighters or other anti-government forces in Israel ?!

Because Syria simply does not have the funds and opportunities for this! If there were, they would have taken the Golan in the first place.

[Alt 22]

It is necessary to shoot down the attacking Israeli fighters, not the missiles they fired.

[dima314]

congenial! It's time to put you in command of the Aerospace Forces)

[Alt 22]

We did not drink at brotherhood, dear. Please contact me with "you". Better yet, don't contact me at all - I prefer to communicate with smart, or at least adequate people.

[Prax1]

As always, there is no video ... At least once shown.

[medadmir]

Not missiles, planes had to be shot down.

[A. Privalov]

Satellite images of recent years can always be viewed and made sure what the attacked objects turn into.
And after that, you can tell how they shot down fifteen missiles out of twelve.

[Fungus]

A couple of photos from dozens of attacks are not about anything. Consequently, the rest of the attacks were unsuccessful. You're not always lucky. Although you are at war with the Papuans ...

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Fungus

A couple of photos from dozens of attacks are not about anything. Consequently, the rest of the attacks were unsuccessful. You're not always lucky. Although you are at war with the Papuans ...

What was at hand, then laid out. Will you order to spread it after each attack?

[Fungus]

Yes, I do not care what you bomb there. I'm worried that you bomb the Syrians disguised as Iranians ....

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Fungus

Yes, I do not care what you bomb there. I'm worried that you bomb the Syrians disguised as Iranians ....

- Honduras worries me.
- And you do not scratch him, it will pass by itself.

[VORON538]

So you Jews are worried about Russia, you can't sleep and eat, you all wipe with your matzah and chutzpah on VO. Igor Berkut is a thousand times right in his videos about your hidden national policy !!!

[A. Privalov]

Quote: VORON538

So you Jews are worried about Russia, you can't sleep and eat, you all wipe with your matzah and chutzpah on VO. Igor Berkut is a thousand times right in his videos about your hidden national policy !!!

Yes, matzo is a serious argument in the discussion ...
By the way, Jews have been eating matzo once a year for over 3 years in memory of slavery in Egypt. So that no one, and never in future generations, would forget about the hardships of slavery and would not seek for a free plate of stew in exchange for freedom.
Now, you have already learned the word "chutzpA".
Good word, juicy.
You liked it so much that you even designate your primordially Russian "insolence" in our Jewish way.
Now, you will learn a couple more good and useful words:
"Hochma" - it means, in our opinion, in Hebrew - "wisdom"
and binA is intelligence.
They will be very useful to you, but only when you begin to manifest them.
A useful and commendable activity, you know.
P.S. Igor Berkut is an ordinary clown. For the sake of PR, even the most rotten - he will sell his own mother.

[Teador]

Quote: Roman Efremov

Here the other day, in the comments under another article, an Israeli leader claimed that they have a jammer on every missile and bomb, forming false targets and leading the Pantsir missiles (and not only Pantsir) to the side. Looks like they forgot to put on these downed missiles?

Looks like they specifically allowed to shoot down exactly eight, oversaturated the Shell, because there are frames from the rocket itself when it hits the Shell, he tries to shoot back from the rocket, but everything goes by
https://m.lenta.ru/news/2019/01/21/panzir_out/amp/

[denk20]

I think that next time a couple of F-16s will also fall. The Persians are learning to use weapons!

[VORON538]

It is high time !!!

[Boroda M]

"All missiles have been shot down, all targets have been destroyed."
Classic

[jonkonerofeev]

It’s time to put these "Palestinian Cossacks" in place and make the airfields unusable.

[surf dude]

The task was completed, the planes returned to the base in full force, and they also made an advertisement for Pantsiru.
Have a nice week, gentlemen!

[Egg]

Quote: Shahno

66 percent efficiency, right. Weak, the ads were better.

Well, that's how to count ...
12 missiles launched ... 8 shot down
1 shell attachment can shoot down 8 missiles in 1 strike.
More recharge is needed.
If there were 2 raids of 6 missiles each, all 12 would be shot down and 100% of the result.
If there were 1 missiles in 100 raid, then 1 shell installation would still shoot down 8 missiles, the rest would break through to the target and the result would be 8% ...
Such is the arithmetic.
It is necessary to either increase the number of shell installations or ammunition load of 1 installation, which is constructively impossible.
Although I do not understand why not install additional missile launchers in the trailer with control from the base. It would be cheap and cheerful and would increase the ammunition load of the 1st shell by 5-6 times

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Telur

Well, that's how to count ...

When they begin to count, this is a sign of thinking, which has been critically lacking on the VO website lately.
Now try to calculate what we all read over these two days.
Israeli aircraft attacked the Syrian T-4 Tiyas airfield andfrom Lebanese airspace
It is also known that the UAV attacked Syrian territory near the city of Abu Kemal near the Iraqi border. The ownership of the drone has not yet been reported
On October 21 at 33:16 six F-XNUMX tactical fighters of the Israeli Air Force crossing the state border of the SAR in the area of ​​Et-Tanf struck with 12 guided missiles at the T-4 (Tifor) airfield in the province of Homs. (...) Eight missiles destroyed
Now look at the map.

Do you have any questions?
How did the planes arrive in the attack area? (please do not write through Jordan. Israel does not violate the sovereignty of the country with which the peace was made).
Or maybe everything is simpler, taking into account the very excluding statements, they saw only the fact of rocket fire and in order to look serious, 6 F-16s with 12 missiles were born, maybe just two "penguins", one launched blanks, which were successfully destroyed, and the second, seeing the launch points, completed the task.

[dima314]

how beautifully I furnished everything!) Isn't it funny yourself?)

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: dima314

how beautifully I furnished everything!) Isn't it funny yourself?)

Please provide your evidence to the contrary, it will be interesting for everyone to read.
And remember the future when you deny something IS ALWAYS evidence to the contrary must be provided. Otherwise, TREP

[huntsman650]

What missiles were shot down, what ammunition consumption, what complexes took part in repelling the raid ??? It seems to me that it looks more like propaganda))) an article.

[Pavel57]

Interestingly, what is the consumption of missiles. If 12, then the efficiency is 60%.

[fuffi]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: Tusv

So what is next? Aaron? Or here the fox was running, or maybe not, or maybe it was a janitor. But agree. The 12 axes recognized by the Russian Ministry of Defense have caused noticeably less damage than your attacks with smaller warheads and smaller delivery vehicles. Agree. This does give reason to doubt the sincerity of your pictures.

I have not believed your propaganda for a long time and stubbornly.

only Israeli?

[Sirocco]

I would send the Point as a gift to Israel.